Speaker 1: This, this is this is gonna have to be I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to do it. You turn it on, tell me
Speaker 1: how I see it? It's on. Oh I can't hear anything.
Speaker 1: Why do you not hear myself?
Speaker 2: I hear you just fine, okay, it's it's coming through fine, yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: then you don't hear yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't hear myself at all. No, maybe plug in
Speaker 1: and maybe plug in the blanking headphones again.
Speaker 2: I was wondering why you pulled your mouth away from
Speaker 2: the microphone.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you not do it?
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, yeah, we are recording, but like, are
Speaker 2: you leaving all this in?
Speaker 1: No? Okay, good, all right, all right, well now I'm good.
Speaker 1: I can hear myself. I don't know why. I just
Speaker 1: assume it's plugged in. I plug in my own headphones
Speaker 1: in the score studio all the time. I just assume
Speaker 1: I picked these up and they're plugged in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you made fun of me about the headphones on
Speaker 2: the way in here to make fun of you.
Speaker 1: I just you remembered them, which was good. I can't you.
Speaker 2: Took the time to make a comment.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, yeah, I can't. I mean, at least
Speaker 1: you remember to plug them in. I can't even remember that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember to bring them though. I get that.
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, I gotta I gotta come clean with you
Speaker 2: about some that I felt bad about making us do
Speaker 2: Running Man this week because I, as I told you
Speaker 2: off during your show yesterday, I didn't realize that now
Speaker 2: you three me had come out.
Speaker 1: They're that's what I'm calling it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm calling it at the very least, And
Speaker 2: I knew that you wanted to see it, and I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, if I would have known, I'm happy
Speaker 2: because we have a good we have a symbiotic relationship,
Speaker 2: like we do a good job of just seeing what
Speaker 2: the other people want to see.
Speaker 1: My whole thing was we were going to see both
Speaker 1: of them anyway. So what difference is that?
Speaker 2: No, I get that, but I like because I like
Speaker 2: doing things for people that do things with me. It's like,
Speaker 2: if that's what you want to see, I still wanted
Speaker 2: to see that as well. And you weren't just sold
Speaker 2: on this. But I say all that to say I
Speaker 2: don't feel bad anymore because that movie, fucking rock It
Speaker 2: was a good movie. It was so good, it was fun.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy we went to go see that.
Speaker 1: No, so we saw The Running Man with is it
Speaker 1: Running Man or the Running Not running Man? Glenn Powell,
Speaker 1: Josh Brolin, a remake of the nineteen eighty seven Arnold
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger film based on the nineteen eighty two novel Stephen King.
Speaker 2: Yeah, second one of the Bachmann books that we're doing
Speaker 2: here in the last.
Speaker 1: That Long Walk was the other one. Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: last the trio here. Yeah, So yeah, I guess for
Speaker 1: me going into this, it was fine, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: mind seeing it at you know whatever. I don't remember
Speaker 1: a lot of the original that I saw. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason is because I maybe
Speaker 1: didn't like it all that much. But then when we
Speaker 1: got talking about like eighties action movies, and this was
Speaker 1: originally an eighties action movie, right, and and so why
Speaker 1: wouldn't I like it? You brought that up, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about expendables and Diehard and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you like it? I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I should like this? And I did. Spoiler alert, I
Speaker 1: did like this movie. Did you rewatch the original?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not the There's so much
Speaker 1: to unpack here and I don't know which way you
Speaker 1: want to go right away, but I think we can
Speaker 1: talk about who we identify in this movie. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think at least for me and Ben. My mind was
Speaker 1: racing once the rules of the game of the Running
Speaker 1: Man game show we're being listed out for us as
Speaker 1: the audience. I'm like, Okay, how do I circumvent this?
Speaker 1: How do I like, how would I play this game
Speaker 1: if I was the running ban Did you do that?
Speaker 2: As of course, of course, I even mentioned to John
Speaker 2: Jordan about an hour ago, wapl legend, John Jordan, Yes,
Speaker 2: I said, you know, there's a pretty lengthy rule explanation
Speaker 2: that can sometimes slow the pace down. I said that
Speaker 2: about F one as well. I said, if I already
Speaker 2: knew the rules, I might find myself a little bored
Speaker 2: about kind of going over this stuff that people. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: this didn't slow like it was. I think it was
Speaker 2: necessary because it eliminates a lot of your like, well,
Speaker 2: I would just do this, and it's like, well, you
Speaker 2: have to video yourself and mail it every day, so
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't just tuck yourself in a hole somewhere, right,
Speaker 2: And like there's just like little moments like that that
Speaker 2: do away with a lot of plot holes that otherwise
Speaker 2: would exist.
Speaker 1: I will say this, Yeah, you get a billion new
Speaker 1: dollars as they call it. Yeah, I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love with Schwarzenegger on on the on the on
Speaker 1: the bills, which I thought was great. And you also
Speaker 1: noticed there was an Obama street this as well. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: a billion new dollars? Yeah, what's to say that you
Speaker 1: don't hook up with somebody who swings by some random
Speaker 1: place every day, maybe with a lot of people bringing
Speaker 1: supplies in, taking the tape, dropping it in the box
Speaker 1: different times every day, so there's no pattern, and you
Speaker 1: just split the billion dollars. Why wouldn't that work?
Speaker 2: That was probably the biggest plot hole in my opinion,
Speaker 2: is that they pay three thousand dollars as a finder's
Speaker 2: fee if you tip the police.
Speaker 1: If you what do they call it record and reports. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you get video of the of one of
Speaker 1: the Running Man contestants and then you you.
Speaker 2: Which leads to a kill, you get three great, right, right?
Speaker 1: You get you tip off the hunters and if the
Speaker 1: hunters kill them, then you get three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: And if we just handle it on your own and
Speaker 2: it's ten thousand.
Speaker 1: Ten thousand, which is still nothing.
Speaker 2: So I'd say one hundred million. I wouldn't even lowball them,
Speaker 2: Like it's not like I'm coming in a million. I'd say,
Speaker 2: I'm giving you ten percent of what I'm walking away
Speaker 2: with in this if you do not take me out.
Speaker 2: And there are friendly faces throughout this, which I did appreciate.
Speaker 2: Very similar long walk where you wouldn't expect to find friends,
Speaker 2: but again similar idea here as well.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that the whole friend aspect of it
Speaker 1: is is not necessarily I think it was. It was
Speaker 1: different with Bill Macy's character because I think he clearly
Speaker 1: was a friend of Glenn Powell.
Speaker 2: Which that was the most heartbreaking. He's like, I was
Speaker 2: going to give you a job. It's not a spoiler,
Speaker 2: it's five minutes of the movies, Like, you didn't need
Speaker 2: to do this. I was going to give you a job.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I call that Homeward Bounding. If
Speaker 2: you've ever seen the movie Homeward bound Bound, do you
Speaker 2: remember that one? No, It's like it's it's Michael J.
Speaker 2: Fox and two other people that I'm blanking on who
Speaker 2: plays them? And they play two dogs and a cat
Speaker 2: and they escape like they voice the animals. It's a
Speaker 2: live Actually, the entire movie is an hour and a
Speaker 2: half and I was like six when it came out.
Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite movies of all time
Speaker 2: as a child. And like they'd be at the vet
Speaker 2: and the vet was portrayed as an asshole, and then
Speaker 2: it would turn out that he was just trying to
Speaker 2: help them and the family was on their way, and
Speaker 2: right as the family would walk in through the door,
Speaker 2: the dogs the cat would escape. There's some kind of
Speaker 2: over the top means, and then they'd end up at
Speaker 2: this homeless encampment, and the homeless encampment seemed like it
Speaker 2: was evil, and then it turned out that it was
Speaker 2: actually there to help them. And just as the owners
Speaker 2: were getting to the homeless encampment, the animals would escape,
Speaker 2: Ah forcots and every ten minutes, like you're just screwing
Speaker 2: with these six year old lives. I felt like I
Speaker 2: was getting homeward bound in that moment. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: didn't you tell him this yesterday? We could have avoided
Speaker 2: all of this. See, when I had a job, he
Speaker 2: wouldn't have needed to do this. He could have helped
Speaker 2: his kid, and now we've got a whole premise and
Speaker 2: it hurts in that way. I made that term up.
Speaker 2: You feel free to steal it?
Speaker 1: Yea, that makes sense. Yeah, So the point I was
Speaker 1: making was I don't think they're necessarily friends, like especially
Speaker 1: with the family that kind of takes him in for
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah. I think that that was more
Speaker 1: of just like, hey, we're both against the network and
Speaker 1: we're both against this government. And by the way, this
Speaker 1: is setting like a dystopian future. Is it for the
Speaker 1: United States? Is it okay? The stuff that I saw
Speaker 1: in this movie I have not seen exist to this
Speaker 1: degree in reality.
Speaker 2: Yet I thought it did a good job of emulating
Speaker 2: today while being in the future. The technology was advanced,
Speaker 2: and again they start filming the stuff two years ago.
Speaker 2: So there's some things that happened in this movie that
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh wow, that's very prescient for what's
Speaker 2: happening right now. And there's it. It's the kind of
Speaker 2: thing a lot of these movies held. The original one
Speaker 2: takes place in the future that felt like a much
Speaker 2: more distant future than this did. This felt like essentially
Speaker 2: contemporary America with fancier things. The dependence on reality TV.
Speaker 2: They have their version of the Kardashian The Kardashians.
Speaker 1: It was great. Yeah did you see who played them?
Speaker 1: And I know Debbie Maysur was one of Oh I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't see who the other ones were. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like some of the like the television in the hotel room,
Speaker 1: I mean stuff like that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: No, no, absolutely not. But there was just the element
Speaker 2: of having come from a corporate radio station when he's
Speaker 2: dealing with the boss and there's no real understanding. I
Speaker 2: was part of a unionization effort, so when unions are
Speaker 2: kind of used as a reason to fire somebody, Like,
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of moments that feel very relevant
Speaker 2: to today's America, just in uh a more. I compared
Speaker 2: it to Black Mirror with a friend of mine yesterday
Speaker 2: after I got out of it, and I said, it
Speaker 2: reminds me of Black Mirror. Nothing in Black Mirror exists today,
Speaker 2: but you're like, this feels like five years away, Like
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like we're that far off from having
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. It was such an authoritarian existence,
Speaker 1: you know, where like we we don't. There's a lot
Speaker 1: more Glenn Powell's in society today than there were in
Speaker 1: this movie, where it just seemed like everybody is just
Speaker 1: browbeaten into the ground. You think, yeah, at least at
Speaker 1: least initially, and then you know, you talked about how
Speaker 1: the original this was all a distraction to keep people
Speaker 1: talking about anything else other than life. Than life, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the basically, you know, these people who have nothing,
Speaker 1: I mean literally nothing, like they're their only respite is
Speaker 1: to go to the network free V and try out
Speaker 1: for these games shows.
Speaker 2: It's a fast channel.
Speaker 1: Okay, ye, so so they put they give you psychological tests,
Speaker 1: intelligence tests, physical fitness tests, mental tests, everything. And the
Speaker 1: amount of people that were going in there on a
Speaker 1: random whatever day of the week it was makes me
Speaker 1: think that the majority of this population is destitute and
Speaker 1: this is their only solution, and everybody does it because
Speaker 1: they had, i mean, they had hundreds of people showing up.
Speaker 1: And then they tell you what game show you're going on.
Speaker 1: Game shows that can cause death, like The Running Man
Speaker 1: or therely.
Speaker 2: A wipeout allegory if you're familiar with the ABC game
Speaker 2: show Wipeout. When people are running, they show you people
Speaker 2: just messing themselves up because they're trying to get money
Speaker 2: for meds and they're running on this goofy obstacle. Course
Speaker 2: we're all laughing watching them get bopped in the face
Speaker 2: with this stuff, and like they're I say it all
Speaker 2: the time on my show. I'm a big game show guy.
Speaker 2: Like I like game shows so much that, like before
Speaker 2: the internet really took off, the Game Show Network would
Speaker 2: like let you text in answers on live shows and
Speaker 2: play along. And I got so good at the show. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that I got so good at Chain
Speaker 2: Reaction that I play sixth in the nation and my
Speaker 2: name was on TV. Like, I loved game shows. And
Speaker 2: because I do outside the box so much as I
Speaker 2: get older, as I meet so many people in the
Speaker 2: situations like what we see in The Running Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to watch people trying to stack
Speaker 2: paper clips on top of one another for a million
Speaker 2: dollars and watching them have a mental breakdown when they lose,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is as much fun as it used to be anymore.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of the vibe that I was
Speaker 2: getting watching them play this game.
Speaker 1: Here did you notice? So the first game show that
Speaker 1: they shows this guy running on a hamster wheel and
Speaker 1: he has to answer questions with his heart rate elevated.
Speaker 1: The host of that was named Gary Greenbacks. I mean
Speaker 1: probably a stage name, right. Sure, do you know who
Speaker 1: what actor played him? I can't even remember the face?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, he had the glasses. Yeah, the Sean Hayes
Speaker 1: from Will and Grace. Oh really? And and Sean Hayes.
Speaker 1: It's so wild because he always plays this you know,
Speaker 1: well it doesn't always play it, but he played this
Speaker 1: over the top performer on Will and Grace for years, right,
Speaker 1: And now the last two things I've seen him in
Speaker 1: this where he was I don't want to say he
Speaker 1: was reserved, but much more quiet and you know, well
Speaker 1: the stuff is happening behind him, He's just this is
Speaker 1: like normal. And then he also played I Believe a
Speaker 1: Psychiatrist for a season on curbyr. Enthusiasm, where he was
Speaker 1: very understated and reserving, like I can't believe this is
Speaker 1: still Sean Hayes. Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 2: And that's not the only time. Are you a black
Speaker 2: mirror person or no? Like talk about black mirror? I
Speaker 2: mean I know of it, yeah, but you didn't watch it.
Speaker 2: If I said fifteen million credits. You don't know what
Speaker 2: episode of that nine Okay, well there's.
Speaker 1: A well was the one that you were telling me about.
Speaker 1: That's one with Jesse Plemmons was in like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's one the Uss Calister. That's the one
Speaker 2: in the fifteen million credits one. It takes place in
Speaker 2: a future where ninety percent of the population pedals bikes
Speaker 2: for a living. They're like stationary bikes, and pedaling the
Speaker 2: bikes generates the energy that keeps society running, so they
Speaker 2: pay you. But a certain percentage of the population is
Speaker 2: too heavy to pedal the bikes, and their role in
Speaker 2: society is they are the janitors. So everyone treats the
Speaker 2: janitor people like crap and they are ridiculed for their size.
Speaker 1: And it seems like it's.
Speaker 2: A recurring theme in a lot of these futuristic movies
Speaker 2: that that kind of and it popped immediately. That was
Speaker 2: where my mind right when I was watching the Hamster
Speaker 2: reel thing there. Yeah, and it it feels it feels relevant,
Speaker 2: Like I say, it feels relevant to today. And to
Speaker 2: be perfectly Frank, I was gonna make the joke when
Speaker 2: you were setting up before this could have we could
Speaker 2: have just replayed the intro to The Long Walk. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: a bunch of people that don't see any other option
Speaker 2: other than to take part in this contest in order
Speaker 2: to make the billion dollars and get your one wish
Speaker 2: and do all these things. Very clearly, Stephen King was
Speaker 2: going through some things, and it it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: comforting to know that in the early eighties a lot
Speaker 2: of people were looking well, at least he was looking
Speaker 2: at society through the same lens that I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people look at it through today, because this
Speaker 2: felt relevant today that years again, right, and think about
Speaker 2: this too, like that's for years, that's when orwell's nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four, this is when we're like, okay, how much
Speaker 2: of this came true?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, so like we were looking at there,
Speaker 1: We had a very futuristic viewpoint on that novel for years,
Speaker 1: and then as we're coming up on the actual timeline
Speaker 1: and that people looked at it like okay, well where
Speaker 1: are we at here? And and Stephen King was one
Speaker 1: of them, clearly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely and h And.
Speaker 1: By the way, like I don't think he was like
Speaker 1: Stephen King capital letter Stephen King at this point, right,
Speaker 1: he was he was he was still making his way.
Speaker 1: So maybe he was one of these starving artists that like,
Speaker 1: you know that.
Speaker 2: That was exactly it just so happens it hit for him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, it's just like the NFL. You only ever
Speaker 2: see this guy was living in his car. Now is
Speaker 2: the cornerback for the Green Bay Packers. You don't see
Speaker 2: the fifty other people that were living in their car
Speaker 2: that are living in their car. Stephen King's the guy
Speaker 2: that emerged stories that feel that they just transcend. It
Speaker 2: feels very real, and I could watch a thousand of
Speaker 2: these kind of movies.
Speaker 1: Glenn Powell's portrayal of Ben Richards in this film Likable Unlikable.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this, and I'm interested in your thought.
Speaker 2: I think he wanted to be John McClain very badly,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's a Bruce Willis type.
Speaker 1: All right, hold on, hold on, Glenn Powell wanted to
Speaker 1: be John McClain, not Ben Richards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I think he wanted to be portrayed the
Speaker 2: smart ass guy who's whooping ass while he's doing it.
Speaker 2: But he's got all these sassy one liners and he's
Speaker 2: a goofball. But he's also, you know, just like an
Speaker 2: every man type of guy, like he has Okay.
Speaker 1: So the difference to me and that is a case
Speaker 1: of motivation. The motivation for John McClain runs wrong time
Speaker 1: and he's a cop. Yeah, what else is he going
Speaker 1: to do? This is what he does. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: survival for him and his family. Sure, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the differing factor here with how Glenn
Speaker 1: Powell had to play this character.
Speaker 2: There is a roar shark test where he's like, I
Speaker 2: see fluffy bunnies, Like I just felt John McCain oozing
Speaker 2: out of him.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so that's what I'm saying, Like, like, and
Speaker 1: and he almost portrayed a cartoonish level of anger in
Speaker 1: the first thirty minutes in this movie, maybe first forty minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, boy, do they want us to like
Speaker 1: this guy? I mean, he's yelling on the set of
Speaker 1: The Running Man and just freaking out or whatever. He
Speaker 1: seemed to me a little unhinged, Whereas like the guys
Speaker 1: I like to root for in these me against the
Speaker 1: world scenarios are these reserved guys that are always three
Speaker 1: steps ahead of everybody else, calm, cool and collected that
Speaker 1: wasn't Powell.
Speaker 2: Let me present this to you through a different light though,
Speaker 2: because I noticed that as well, and I was talking
Speaker 2: to a friend of mine that's not from the area
Speaker 2: who also had seen the movie, and I say to him,
Speaker 2: we are well beyond the years of Uncle Buck or
Speaker 2: what's an I wish I had a second example. We now,
Speaker 2: I think, have a much more gritty and realistic portrayal
Speaker 2: of what it is to live paycheck to paycheck, to
Speaker 2: be broke. And you are angry, you are frustrated, You're
Speaker 2: You've got a kid who's sick as hell that you
Speaker 2: can't figure out a way, even though you see his
Speaker 2: work experiences. He has all these skills, he can do all.
Speaker 1: This, but he also has these massive he gets keeps
Speaker 1: getting fired for insubordination.
Speaker 2: But insubordination is you know, it's not what we think
Speaker 2: of insubordination.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's true. But even his wife or his
Speaker 1: wife or girlfriend, I'm not sure she kind of was
Speaker 1: like worried about his anger issues. And then they said
Speaker 1: in a portion of the movie, I don't think this
Speaker 1: is a spoiler.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is nothing really to spoil this movie.
Speaker 1: I'll just say, like when he was getting the psychological
Speaker 1: testing done, they even said, you are the angriest person
Speaker 1: we've ever tested before. And I'm like, why are they
Speaker 1: driving this anger thing home so hard? I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't and so so to me, like I wanted to
Speaker 1: root for him, and clearly I was rooting for him
Speaker 1: he throughout this whole movie, but it was it was
Speaker 1: more of a struggle than I thought because of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy's like a nice guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves his wife and he loves his kid, but
Speaker 1: he's he's he's so angry, and and I guess they intersperse,
Speaker 1: you know, helping the guy out when they were in
Speaker 1: line who needed the doctor who like threw up or
Speaker 1: seizure or whatever. He grabs the guy on the rock
Speaker 1: the guy on the rock wall. Yeah. Absolutely, so, I
Speaker 1: mean there there, there is that those redeeming qualities, but
Speaker 1: they just really wanted to hammer homeless anger aspect.
Speaker 2: I think I brought up parasite in the last episode
Speaker 2: of this show, but that's so that's the whole point
Speaker 2: in that movie. They say the wealthy family is nice
Speaker 2: because they can afford to be nice. The people who
Speaker 2: are typically angry or meaner are the people that go
Speaker 2: through this every single day. That was actually the point
Speaker 2: of Jordan Peele's movie US as well. There's a whole
Speaker 2: separate society where you have a doppelganger who's a much
Speaker 2: worse version of you because he didn't or she didn't
Speaker 2: have the same kind of upbringing that you were fortunate
Speaker 2: enough to have here. I absolutely loved it, and for
Speaker 2: the record, I think the first forty minutes of this
Speaker 2: movie was the best part of the movie, when they've
Speaker 2: set up the setup and the first couple days. Because
Speaker 2: what I compared it to, and I'm sure you haven't
Speaker 2: seen it, but there's a movie called It Follows. It's
Speaker 2: a scary movie where there's a bean that can look
Speaker 2: like anybody that's following you all the time, and the
Speaker 2: way you get it to stop following you is you
Speaker 2: have sex with somebody and then it's following them. It's
Speaker 2: all metaphor for STDs, and once it kills them, it's
Speaker 2: back to you. So you have to create basically a
Speaker 2: sex chain, but you never really know when all the
Speaker 2: people before you ended up dying. Everyone loved that movie.
Speaker 2: I thought it completely underwhelmed. I think they missed an
Speaker 2: awesome premise that really could have been fun to have
Speaker 2: fun with this movie, I think executed. It follows premise
Speaker 2: because you don't know who to trust. You don't know
Speaker 2: The first person he meets entering the game is a
Speaker 2: guy in the cab, and you're like, is he yeah
Speaker 2: calling on him right now? Is he actually his friend?
Speaker 2: And you have that feeling. Eventually they kind of draw
Speaker 2: the lines in the sand. These are the people that
Speaker 2: you can trust, these are the people that you really can't.
Speaker 2: And there's not really many surprises in that way. But
Speaker 2: the first couple days of that contest, I was like this.
Speaker 2: I was on the edge of my seat. I thought
Speaker 2: I was blest I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did too, because it's it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: where you start and how how you would go. But like, okay,
Speaker 1: at Clean Slate, Fresh Slate, all three of these contestants,
Speaker 1: what do they do? How do they handle this?
Speaker 2: What did you think of the wife and the call
Speaker 2: right when she finds out that he's doing the contest?
Speaker 2: It was very stand offish, Like was that to like that? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was standing I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be much worse. I was a little surprised when
Speaker 1: she asked him, what did you do? She already knew
Speaker 1: what he did, right.
Speaker 2: Okay, And then she's just like, I gotta take the
Speaker 2: kid to the hospital.
Speaker 1: And there was no like, there was no I thought
Speaker 1: she would be livid, yeah, and be yelling at him
Speaker 1: or crying, and she's just I think she was just
Speaker 1: resigned to her fate. And maybe this is because they
Speaker 1: live in poverty and this is you know, they're used
Speaker 1: to having bad things happen. She was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing that she could do about it.
Speaker 2: So and can I say she's the wife is played
Speaker 2: by Jamie Lawson. She was in Sinners and apparently she
Speaker 2: was in The Batman.
Speaker 1: Who is she in Sinners?
Speaker 2: I don't remember the characters well enough, But I know
Speaker 2: that I recognized that because I just recently saw that.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason.
Speaker 2: But I don't know that I have a firm grasp
Speaker 2: on the first ten minutes of The Pluck. She's the
Speaker 2: most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life. Oh,
Speaker 2: I thought she was distractedly attractive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not get that.
Speaker 2: And I'm not that person, Like I'm not that guy
Speaker 2: that watches the movies like that. But I'm sitting there, like,
Speaker 2: this woman is stunning in this movie, and I can't literally,
Speaker 2: I'm not listening to what people are saying. And I
Speaker 2: noticed that if I had a note Pat, I would
Speaker 2: be like, make sure you highlight that that woman is
Speaker 2: distractingly attractive. Yeah, for the first couple of minutes, but
Speaker 2: I thought she does the role very well. Not in
Speaker 2: it for very long, but for the part she's in it, it, Uh,
Speaker 2: let's just say it felt very relatable, probably to a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 1: The advice that Josh Brolan gave Glenn Powell was to
Speaker 1: hang amongst his own kind for the first few days
Speaker 1: of the contest to make it last longer. William H.
Speaker 1: Macy's like, that's the worst thing you can do, because
Speaker 1: these people are going to turn you in as soon
Speaker 1: as possible. And so what does he do? Hob knobs
Speaker 1: with the rich, right, And how much money did they
Speaker 1: get to start?
Speaker 2: I think a thousand new dollars.
Speaker 1: Okay, so a thousand. I don't know how far that
Speaker 1: goes on.
Speaker 2: It seems like a lot, because five hundred was enough
Speaker 2: to solve all of the medical problems for the dogs.
Speaker 1: That's true. So and and you also had a really
Speaker 1: nice hotel that he afforded with with you know, in
Speaker 1: part of that thousand dollars. Okay. So the other thing
Speaker 1: that Brolan said to Glenn Powell when he was trying
Speaker 1: to convince him to do The Running Man, which Powell
Speaker 1: did not want to do, is I say that to
Speaker 1: all the contestants on The Running Man, but this is
Speaker 1: the first time, I mean it, you could actually beat
Speaker 1: this thing. Yeah. Do you think that was a ruse? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you honestly believe that Brolan's character believed that Powell
Speaker 1: said this or does he say that to literally everybody?
Speaker 1: You know, I say this to everybody, but you're the
Speaker 1: one who could win this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, we know the game is essentially
Speaker 2: unwinnable in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: And so that's what Michael Sarah's character said.
Speaker 2: It's as doable as they want you to believe that
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Do you And I can't remember the actor's name, but
Speaker 1: the big bro who the family took him in, he
Speaker 1: hosts this sort of conspiracy theorist reel behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of The Running Man or whatever. Did you glean much
Speaker 1: out of that you know, as far as like how
Speaker 1: they fix it or maybe I just it was lost
Speaker 1: on me.
Speaker 2: I think it was more so that there were just
Speaker 2: certain archtypes in each set of there, and what's funny
Speaker 2: is one of them was the angry one, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't the angry one, despite very clear being angry.
Speaker 1: He was the final guy.
Speaker 2: He was the final guy, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: that's kind of a redundant flot thread there, but no
Speaker 2: outside of that, I think that was just to set
Speaker 2: up the fact that he kind of was in on
Speaker 2: the game. If you ever saw the second Purge movie,
Speaker 2: the dude that played Omar in the wire and blanking
Speaker 2: on his.
Speaker 1: Own, oh, Michael Michael Michael K. Williams, Yeah, that is okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays like essentially a guy that has a
Speaker 2: thorough understanding of how the Purge works, how it's rigged,
Speaker 2: and how it's used against society. That's essentially the rule
Speaker 2: that this guy fit here. And I thought they did
Speaker 2: an excellent job of incorporating him in there, and I
Speaker 2: won't say how, but they work him back in later
Speaker 2: in a way that's very fun.
Speaker 1: You're talking about pictures the end, Yeah, yeah, what about
Speaker 1: this could be a spoiler. What about Michael Sarah's decision yeah,
Speaker 1: which which obviously was a catalyst for a big action
Speaker 1: sequence of the movie. Yeah, why did he do what
Speaker 1: he did?
Speaker 2: So, I'll be real with you, that is who I
Speaker 2: related to the most, Michael Sarah.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can see that. Yeah, because you're not angry
Speaker 1: enough to be Pat Richards. And I'll be real with you. Uh.
Speaker 2: There's a common refrain that I say on Outside the
Speaker 2: Box when I'm talking about myself, because I'm a debt
Speaker 2: free guy that owns a home, And I said, the
Speaker 2: system is designed for me to tell you I'm better
Speaker 2: than you. I'm smarter than you, I work harder than you.
Speaker 2: And if you were just more like me, you could
Speaker 2: live this kind of life too, to the people that don't.
Speaker 1: Necessarily have that.
Speaker 2: And Michael Sarah has a line in that movie where
Speaker 2: he says, a good person with a conscience is the
Speaker 2: system's worst nightmare.
Speaker 1: A good person with a yeah, And like you know.
Speaker 2: A person with a conscience is the system's worst nightmare.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there, I'm like, Yeah, this fucking guy.
Speaker 2: And I think I think he knew he was dead
Speaker 2: to rights the second he walked in that house. I
Speaker 2: think he knew what he was getting into, and sure enough,
Speaker 2: you know, we know where it ends up going in
Speaker 2: the long run there. I think he caught him in
Speaker 2: because he saw an opportunity to take his pound of
Speaker 2: flesh on the way out the door, and he absolutely
Speaker 2: and hit the best Kevin McCay alister way you could
Speaker 2: possibly imagine gets it all to happen there. I loved
Speaker 2: his role in that movie, obviously, the connection coming from
Speaker 2: Scott Pilgrim versus the world. Edgar Wright and Michael Sarah
Speaker 2: have a working relationship. I thought he did the role well.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him in a movie in the minute here,
Speaker 2: and I thought he did well. Fent a little bit
Speaker 2: and I think it fit perfectly with him, and I
Speaker 2: loved what his character was. And it did bother me
Speaker 2: that he pushed the button, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: you keep the plot roll and I can tell it
Speaker 2: kind of got your goat a little bit though when
Speaker 2: he pushed it.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it. Yeah, I didn't understand. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand what was going on, and he.
Speaker 2: Acted like he just came to the realization that would
Speaker 2: bring them there, as if like that wasn't common knowledge,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I loved it. I loved the way
Speaker 2: that they decided to get them in there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Michael Sarah the Phoenician Scheme the latest Wes
Speaker 1: Anderson movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never saw it, but okay, I do remember
Speaker 2: that now that you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him in the trailers. He also played
Speaker 1: the role of Alan in Barbie. Really, yeah, he was
Speaker 1: in Barbie. I do remember that too, Okay, I forgot
Speaker 1: and then and then honestly, the the only other movie
Speaker 1: that he's done in the last seven years that I recognize. Here,
Speaker 1: did you see Sacramento with Kristen Stewart or no, okay
Speaker 1: me either. Molly's Game. He was player action in Molly's Game?
Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah? Yeah, he was the guy that was
Speaker 1: sort of the way that it was described. It was
Speaker 1: a combination of did you ever see Molly's Game? By
Speaker 1: the way, he was His character is based on mostly
Speaker 1: Toby McGuire, but some Leonardo DiCaprio rolled in there as well,
Speaker 1: And so that's Toby maguire. I get. I get the
Speaker 1: feeling he is a total a hole. Yeah, like you,
Speaker 1: just like the way that the portrayed him in this movie.
Speaker 1: Everything he did, like, it's interesting. I get the feeling
Speaker 1: he's not a good guy. Did you feel like and
Speaker 1: and we'll get into more like Coleman Domingo, I thought
Speaker 1: was was cool in this He was. He was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: He is taking the role of Richard Dawson from the
Speaker 2: original Who. Richard Dawson is a premier game show host.
Speaker 2: It was a very fun give to have him doing
Speaker 2: this over the top, campy, I'm celebrating your death kind
Speaker 2: of guy when he's gonna go do family feud in
Speaker 2: a couple hours after he wraps up. I loved his
Speaker 2: portrayal in that movie. He's a perfect kind of camp
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know how he's gonna
Speaker 2: be able to do it. And I thought he crushed it.
Speaker 2: I thought he absolutely killed it.
Speaker 1: He is one of these guys that just the screen
Speaker 1: is not big enough for him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I say all the time about what
Speaker 2: we do, we're very fortunate to have the jobs we have.
Speaker 2: I always say, people can talk about stuff just fine.
Speaker 2: And he is one of those people that lose this
Speaker 2: track of you're not the show like anybody could realistically go.
Speaker 2: He has a knack for it. It's he's definitely not
Speaker 2: bad at it, but he acts like he's the end
Speaker 2: all bell. I believe at one point he's even like
Speaker 2: there's a line to the effect of don't pinch or
Speaker 2: pinch yourself. You really are talking to me right now.
Speaker 2: Here's something to that effect when you first meet him.
Speaker 1: And complaining about Bluefin and his sushi or whatever. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that guy. Where was it weird for
Speaker 1: you to see not a whole lot of female actors
Speaker 1: in this movie? I mean there were some, but they
Speaker 1: played such small roles. No, I agree, and it did.
Speaker 2: What's funny is is it sticks out in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five to me. I mean, hell, when I watch the
Speaker 2: original Avengers now, it's kind of strange, uh, comparatively.
Speaker 1: To like one. At least Scarlett Johnsen had like a
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it's six white people, Nick Ferry, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like it just it really stands
Speaker 2: out when you're watching this stuff now. And I don't
Speaker 2: want to be that guy either, But after so many
Speaker 2: years of seeing it actually look a little more diverse
Speaker 2: with different types of people in different roles. It now
Speaker 2: does stand out. And I'll be real, the messaging of
Speaker 2: this movie's pretty woke, like like, yeah, they're subtle. They're
Speaker 2: subtle about it. There's a there's an all goons are bad,
Speaker 2: uh graffiti in the one scene. There's like those little moments,
Speaker 2: and it is shocking to me to see it for
Speaker 2: trade that way. I didn't hate it. I don't think
Speaker 2: it took away.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I think the women that were in it were strong
Speaker 2: female characters. But it did stick out to me that, uh.
Speaker 1: It was just weird, you know, to me that And
Speaker 1: again I think that you're right. In twenty fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty ten, I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't even notice it, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm watching this, I'm like, God, there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of women in this moment. Yeah, just kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't. I'm not saying it has to,
Speaker 2: although although.
Speaker 1: I will say the one woman a contestant, she was
Speaker 1: portrayed as gay, right, lesbian?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure Katie m O'Brien, and she was
Speaker 2: allegedly the angry one right because the other guy was
Speaker 2: the fodder or whatever the hell is The first guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the hopeless guy. This guy, yeah, which was Martin
Speaker 1: Hurley from SNLS Please Don't Destroy Fame?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was great, like he Oh and the
Speaker 2: way he gets got is perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, what do you do you go
Speaker 1: through all that to get on The Running.
Speaker 2: Man twenty four hours in? Like it's not even, It's
Speaker 2: not even. It's like Luigi Mangioni taking the mask off
Speaker 2: while he's talking to the girl at the coffee shop. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's really not that far if you think about it,
Speaker 2: what he decided to do the literally asking people about
Speaker 2: The Running Man?
Speaker 1: Edgar Wright directed this? Yeah, did this feel like? Did
Speaker 1: you when you got done? If and you didn't know
Speaker 1: who directed it? If I told you Edgar Wright was one, Like,
Speaker 1: let's say I gave you multiple choices, Yeah, and Edgar
Speaker 1: Wright was one of the choices. Would you have said
Speaker 1: that Edgar Wright would have been your choice? Like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could tell it that he directed this.
Speaker 2: There was one scene when he's hanging off of building
Speaker 2: and there's letters on the building and he's hanging off
Speaker 2: of the why and he pulls it and it starts
Speaker 2: to fall and he goes why Why?
Speaker 1: That was some shawna the Dead stuff, right.
Speaker 2: That was Edgar Wright, and I swear to god that
Speaker 2: was the only moment in two hours and thirteen minutes,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. It's like, I uh, I always
Speaker 1: think of Shawn of the Dead and I think this
Speaker 1: is one of the best. I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not one of the best lines ever, but it
Speaker 1: just gets me every time. When they're in the Winchester
Speaker 1: Bar and the zombies are like coming in and one
Speaker 1: of them, something happens in the jukebox starts and it
Speaker 1: starts playing Don't Stop Me Now by Queen Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so then and so, like you have this great fight
Speaker 1: scene set to that song, which is a great song,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: Uh, very underrated Queen song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very underrated. Yeah, and then uh. In fact, I
Speaker 1: was just watching an SNL rerun and it was a
Speaker 1: cold open from a few years ago, I think during
Speaker 1: Trump's first presidency where they had they they had a
Speaker 1: whole song and dance with all the Trump and and
Speaker 1: Milania and everybody's singing don't stop Me, don't stop him now, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's having a good time anyway. But then Simon
Speaker 1: Peg says he says the Nick Frost character's like kill
Speaker 1: the queen, you know. So when he said the lock thing,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, it's the first thing I thought of.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but like Baby Driver is underrated,
Speaker 2: it's a cult classic in my opinion, and I enjoyed
Speaker 2: that movie quite a bit. Solid cast, awesome premise, and
Speaker 2: like the entire movie is set to uh soundtrack right,
Speaker 2: Like everything.
Speaker 1: Is happening is deaf right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and the whole thing, Like if you go
Speaker 2: and watch it like I you might not even notice it.
Speaker 2: The entire movie is musical. Everything gunshots are to the beat,
Speaker 2: car doors or to the beat. The entire movie is
Speaker 2: set to the tone of a beat. And it's wild
Speaker 2: how well they do it. And it's that kind of creative.
Speaker 2: And as I mentioned, like low Ki, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's in my top ten, but if it isn't
Speaker 2: it is just on the cusp. I love Scott Pilgrim
Speaker 2: versus the word.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that movie.
Speaker 2: The World's End I think is better than This is
Speaker 2: the End, which got way more uh uh success commercially
Speaker 2: with James Franco study exactly. But I think the World's
Speaker 2: End was smarter and more fun in terms of the
Speaker 2: actual movie, and it's a similar type of flick there.
Speaker 2: I hold Edgar Wright in high regard and this did
Speaker 2: at times, I don't want to say out like generic
Speaker 2: action flick because I'm telling you, guys, and I said
Speaker 2: to you off the air, I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: got the endorphins because I went straight from the gym
Speaker 2: to the movies. But I was smiling and into the movie.
Speaker 1: For two straight hours, right.
Speaker 2: But like, it didn't feel like Edgar Wright, but it
Speaker 2: definitely felt good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it did, and I totally totally agreed, did
Speaker 1: not feel like a like a classic Edgar Wright film,
Speaker 1: but I loved it. I just I couldn't wait to
Speaker 1: see what was going to happen next, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole movie now. I said, I was going to tell
Speaker 1: you a story yes on the air the other day,
Speaker 1: and we didn't get a chance to. Glenn Powell hosted
Speaker 1: SNL this past week Pight weekend to promote Running Man,
Speaker 1: what have You? And I don't want to turn this
Speaker 1: into a whole thing here, but there's a lot of setup.
Speaker 1: He found out like four or five years ago he
Speaker 1: was gonna he had to call the host SNL and
Speaker 1: he was he loved it. He was hanging out with
Speaker 1: his family on their front porch and a UPS driver
Speaker 1: came up to deliver a package in Texas was where
Speaker 1: he lives, and and he's like, oh, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, I'm get to host SNL whatever
Speaker 1: it was a few months or not a few months,
Speaker 1: few weeks from now, and he's like, oh, that's great.
Speaker 1: And they took a selfie with the UPS driver, you know,
Speaker 1: like to commemorate the occasion. Well, then COVID hit and
Speaker 1: Top Gun two got delayed and Lorne Michaels called Glen
Speaker 1: Powell or Glen Powell's representation and they said, like, no
Speaker 1: offense without Top Gun, Maverick, nobody's going to know who
Speaker 1: you are. Sure, so they canceled it. Yeah, couldn't be on.
Speaker 1: So then he gets to call the host SNL again. Okay,
Speaker 1: who are you? That's what I would say, and yeah.
Speaker 1: So so he happily agrees because this is to help
Speaker 1: promote his movie. And so he tells his family about it,
Speaker 1: and his sisters were like, we got to find this
Speaker 1: UPS guy to tell him to tell him the news.
Speaker 1: And I guess they're pretty like, what do you call it? Intrepid?
Speaker 1: Like they they will get you know, they're they're very
Speaker 1: good at getting things done. Sure, contact UPS. They find
Speaker 1: this UPS driver who's still a UPS driver, and they
Speaker 1: tell you, they tell him, they tell him about this
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, that's awesome that he gets the
Speaker 1: host again or whatever. He's like, no, no, no, Glenn
Speaker 1: wants to fly you to be in the audience at SNL.
Speaker 1: So he brings so Glenn tells the whole story and
Speaker 1: then they already saw the selfie. And then you see
Speaker 1: this guy this his name is Mitch, big bearded, red
Speaker 1: beard guy, and he's sitting in the front row and
Speaker 1: every he's like, bitch, yeah, this is great. And then
Speaker 1: he brings up up on stage and takes a selfie
Speaker 1: with him to day another selfie, which I thought was
Speaker 1: very cool. Now he said he flew Mitch to SNL
Speaker 1: to New York coach because he's like and he said
Speaker 1: this he I just don't know how well Running Man
Speaker 1: is going to do yet. I have not looked at
Speaker 1: the rotten tomatoes. I have not looked at the box
Speaker 1: office numbers for this at all. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: going to do well.
Speaker 2: So I you see the box office. I did see
Speaker 2: the box Office before I even went. Yeah, I do
Speaker 2: love it, okay did audience tone of voice, Yes, it's
Speaker 2: not good. It's the numbers were not good. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: I haven't looked up reviews. Now you three me definitely
Speaker 2: out played uh that that was the box office King
Speaker 2: When I went to the app that I used to
Speaker 2: book my tickets, Yeah, there were easy three times as
Speaker 2: many theaters, which now you see me to.
Speaker 1: Me is kind of bizarre because the last now you
Speaker 1: see me when we came out like like eight years
Speaker 1: ago or.
Speaker 2: So, sure you know, but Zombie Land two, there's something
Speaker 2: about that Eisenberg Woody Harrelson connection that these movies there
Speaker 2: were ten years in between Zombieland and Zombie That that's true,
Speaker 2: and it absolutely and who hasn't seen Zombies Done to death?
Speaker 2: At this point, Zombieland two shows up and they're selling
Speaker 2: out tickets everywhere. But I'm getting the exact numbers on
Speaker 2: Running Man box Office right now, and.
Speaker 1: Then I'd like to get into the popcornimeter too, because
Speaker 1: I still have not looked.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight million globe. I know, what was the budget
Speaker 2: for this movie. Ah, that's a good question. But see
Speaker 2: you say that about now You See Me three. There's
Speaker 2: no contingency of running even as someone who enjoyed the
Speaker 2: first Running Man. It's not like I'm like, oh, we
Speaker 2: need another one. If we weren't doing this podcast, I
Speaker 2: don't know that I would have taken I would have
Speaker 2: seen it. I obviously see I was gonna say, but
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have taken the time
Speaker 2: to go see it in theaters, and I might have
Speaker 2: just waited. And again, that would have been more out
Speaker 2: of deference to Edgar Wright than out of any excitement
Speaker 2: about actually seeing Glenn power this movie at all. Let's
Speaker 2: see what we got here.
Speaker 1: It should be.
Speaker 2: Why are you giving me the nineteen eighty seven? Oh
Speaker 2: thirty two million? Oh no, that's the yeah budget, it
Speaker 2: says Running Man slash budget. One of them says thirty
Speaker 2: two million, one of them says twenty seven.
Speaker 1: For this, I'd never go.
Speaker 2: Budget one hundred and ten million. Yeah, box office twenty
Speaker 2: eight point seven million. That's a shame, because it really is.
Speaker 2: It's solid. But again this see now I'm gonna soapbucks.
Speaker 2: This is why we get so many remakes and sequels
Speaker 2: and superhero things, and everyone complains, why don't we get
Speaker 2: new stuff? Not to say this is new, this is
Speaker 2: a remake, but you would never confuse this movie for
Speaker 2: the original other than the general premise of the film.
Speaker 1: Isn't there isn't there something to be said for that, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: for the longest time, Hollywood studios would only make stuff
Speaker 1: that was proven, proven, you know, assets, And now you
Speaker 1: have Running Man, which I mean, I don't remember how
Speaker 1: successful it was in eighty seven. No, I mean obviously
Speaker 1: it lived on and I wouldn't say it's it's gotten
Speaker 1: a cult level. But but now you see this movie
Speaker 1: being made and you're like and you're like, oh, another remake,
Speaker 1: another reboot, another redo, and it didn't do well. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is this is the signal that to to studios, directors, screenwriters,
Speaker 1: we need fresh stuff. We're not interested in all the
Speaker 1: you know and Marvel. You know, it all comes back
Speaker 1: to Marvel there coming out with a lot of the stuff,
Speaker 1: and there's Marvel fatigue going on there. Yeah, well and
Speaker 1: there has been for like the last six or seven years.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, maybe this is a
Speaker 1: message that we will get more creative original stuff going forward.
Speaker 2: See, I watched an interview with Matt Damon and he
Speaker 2: was talking about this movie called Candlelabra and I can't
Speaker 2: behind the Candle Opera. Yeah, okay, so you've seen this.
Speaker 2: This is I don't know if it was a movie.
Speaker 2: I think it was a mini series. It was him
Speaker 2: and Michael Douglas and it was the Oh god, he
Speaker 2: was from Milwaukee. Why can't I the gay pianist Liberaci. Oh,
Speaker 2: it was all about Liberaci.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so Michael Douglas played Liberacci and Matt Damon
Speaker 1: was sort of like his lover. I guess, but I
Speaker 1: think it was a mini series on HBO.
Speaker 2: So that's actually some good backstory then, because he wanted it,
Speaker 2: he being Matt Damon, he wanted it to be a movie,
Speaker 2: and he asked, why wasn't it made into a movie?
Speaker 2: He says, okay, Well, let's break this down. Based on
Speaker 2: production costs, marketing costs, the cost for the cast, and
Speaker 2: all these other things. You're looking at between one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five and one hundred and fifty million dollars
Speaker 2: when you go out the door. Because when you see
Speaker 2: the budget, that doesn't even include marketing. The budget is
Speaker 2: just literally what it's what costs to make a movie.
Speaker 2: There's a whole marvel bringing back to that. Oftentimes has
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar budget on top of their two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollar budget.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, uh, you look at Running Man nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: The entire budget to make the movie was twenty seven
Speaker 2: million dollars. It ended up making thirty eight point one worldwide.
Speaker 2: Here's the kicker. That's partial movie theater ticket sales, but
Speaker 2: that's also VHS sales. That's also did you go back
Speaker 2: and buy it on Blu ray later? There was a
Speaker 2: whole second box office, And Matt Damon kind of lays
Speaker 2: it out there. He says, there was your original box office,
Speaker 2: then you had a second spite at the Apple to
Speaker 2: try and recoup all your losses. He says, in this
Speaker 2: day and age, trying to sell Candelabras, a movie taking
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollar risk on a love
Speaker 2: story that nobody really knows much about. Hell, I knew
Speaker 2: the name of the movie, had no idea what it
Speaker 2: was about, didn't even know they actually made it. I
Speaker 2: thought it was a hypothetical that goes to show you
Speaker 2: right there. He says, these big execs are no longer
Speaker 2: willing to take those chances because you're losing out on
Speaker 2: that second half. Not to mention, granted, time goes slower
Speaker 2: when you're a child, so maybe I might exaggerate.
Speaker 1: This a little bit.
Speaker 2: It felt like I remember seeing Toy Story in theaters,
Speaker 2: and it felt like Toy Story was in theaters for
Speaker 2: a year really before it was available to buy on VHS,
Speaker 2: because I wanted to own it so bad, and it
Speaker 2: felt like it stayed in theaters forever. And now there's
Speaker 2: times I wanted to see the I Know what You
Speaker 2: Did last summer remake that sucked. It's on Netflix now,
Speaker 2: and in ten days it was out of theaters, like
Speaker 2: like in the time it came and went, it was
Speaker 2: like bing bang, we made whatever a couple million we
Speaker 2: were gonna make, and we're calling it a day. And
Speaker 2: I have a feeling in two weeks, Running Man is
Speaker 2: not going to be in theaters.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: If you're not listening to this this week or next week,
Speaker 2: you probably missed your chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, and especially consider like I
Speaker 1: think you mentioned this earlier. Now you three me had
Speaker 1: like three times the amount of theaters yes or screens
Speaker 1: then Running Man yes, which.
Speaker 2: Which lends itself to more tickets. And I mean, I'd
Speaker 2: argue I might have been the youngest person in my theater.
Speaker 1: Granted I go.
Speaker 2: It was three pm on a Tuesday, so it's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, people got jobs.
Speaker 1: And a lot of blue hairs in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you could tell because there's definitely a working
Speaker 2: class bent to this show, like like you were stronger
Speaker 2: together than we are, you know, fighting with one another,
Speaker 2: which is always going to sell me on it. There
Speaker 2: was a palpable tension, like I think, I feel like
Speaker 2: some people were a little off put by what was
Speaker 2: taking place in the movie and other people were like
Speaker 2: I was really into that. And it was interesting because
Speaker 2: like I was listening to people as I was walking out,
Speaker 2: and you could tell there was a there were some
Speaker 2: people that were like a little overwhelmed. There was the
Speaker 2: silence was deafening when when the movie first ended, and
Speaker 2: like the credits hit you like a ton of bricks.
Speaker 2: There's music play and it's a fun animated thing at
Speaker 2: the end there or you're not animated, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like graphics put together and you could feel
Speaker 2: that there was that like, I don't know how I
Speaker 2: feel about what I just saw, but they were all
Speaker 2: a lot older, and I don't know if they got
Speaker 2: exactly what they were expecting or not.
Speaker 1: I don't think they did. I don't think I I.
Speaker 1: And that's was to lead me into because I think
Speaker 1: I talked about everything I wanted to talk about except
Speaker 1: for the ending. What did you make of it? Is
Speaker 1: it as nebulous as that? Maybe there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different See this is where I don't like to spoil stuff.
Speaker 1: I think. I think the ending mostly does not lend
Speaker 1: itself to interpretation. Mostly, yeah, I don't think it does.
Speaker 1: But there are there are some questions that I have
Speaker 1: one specific question, and this goes back to the Alfred
Speaker 1: Hitchcock mcguffin thing, where in Psycho this briefcase full of
Speaker 1: money sure is talked about at the start of it
Speaker 1: and never really talked about it until the end, or
Speaker 1: not even at the end, and you're like, well, somebody
Speaker 1: asked him like, well what about the money? What happened
Speaker 1: to the money? And Hitchcock and I can't remember how
Speaker 1: it got the name mcguffin, but this is how it's
Speaker 1: being referred to. It's the mcguffin. It's something that is
Speaker 1: in the movie, something as part of the plot, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't really mean anything the ultimately it's not it's
Speaker 1: not a part of the end of the movie. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to resolve itself. In other words, the new money,
Speaker 1: the billion dollars and new money? How's he get it?
Speaker 1: Did he get it? Did he get it right? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did he survive the ending? Do we
Speaker 1: know what we saw in front of our eyes? Given
Speaker 1: all the weird dream sequences the end of inception? Right? Sure?
Speaker 1: Did that really happen? Did it not happen? So? So
Speaker 1: I think mostly if we look at this for what
Speaker 1: it's worth, and if we look at what Edgar Wright
Speaker 1: has done in his career, I think that we can
Speaker 1: kind of figure out how what we saw we saw what?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like lost what what what happened really happened? Right?
Speaker 1: But the billion dollars though, see.
Speaker 2: The only so they were down there, not downloading, They
Speaker 2: were depositing the money into the account daily. Now did
Speaker 2: she get the whole billion?
Speaker 1: I think me and they were depositing them amount they.
Speaker 2: Would show in the bottom left hand corner, like it'd
Speaker 2: be like day twenty four, fifty two thousand dollars, Hunter
Speaker 2: killed one hundred thousand dollars, like they would show you.
Speaker 2: And like, I'm pretty sure because what's stuck out to
Speaker 2: me was you see his wife and his daughter and
Speaker 2: they're at like essentially a whole foods, Like they don't
Speaker 2: actually call it a whole food It looks like a
Speaker 2: very nice grocery.
Speaker 1: You're talking about towards the end, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Based on how they were living at the beginning, they
Speaker 2: weren't shopping at any place that looked like that at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the movie. So that right there says
Speaker 2: to me, she didn't all of a sudden find money.
Speaker 2: So like it says to me, there at least some
Speaker 2: of the money. And if five hundred dollars got you
Speaker 2: what you needed to get done, there were he would
Speaker 2: was doing shit that got one hundred thousand dollars. He
Speaker 2: was doing stuff for fifty thousand. Whether or not they
Speaker 2: got the whole billion, I don't know. But like, as
Speaker 2: my brother always jokes with me, if you dropped, just
Speaker 2: like he would always joke, and I feel like if
Speaker 2: I could drop sixty grand in your lap, you just
Speaker 2: retire and find a way to live off of that,
Speaker 2: and like, you're not wrong, You're not wrong. Have a
Speaker 2: very simple lifestyle. And like if I were expecting a billion, yeah,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand be a letdown, but like
Speaker 2: I could make it work.
Speaker 1: So let's phrase it like this, assuming he won the game,
Speaker 1: which I think we know whether or not that to
Speaker 1: be the case. Let's assume for the sake of this,
Speaker 1: that he won the game. Do you think, and given
Speaker 1: how this was talked about all film that this was
Speaker 1: a fixed game show, an unwinnable game, do you feel
Speaker 1: like that that billion ever was even an scrow like it?
Speaker 1: They could have even paid it if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: I know, this is the most popular game show on
Speaker 1: free TV, free TV, free V excuse me, but they've
Speaker 1: never paid it before. And given how what happened at
Speaker 1: the taping of the season premiere of The Running Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to say, I'm not sure if that billion
Speaker 1: ever made it to again in a vacuum it seemingly
Speaker 1: in theory. I'm not sure it ever made it to
Speaker 1: the Richard's household. Yeah, or doesn't it matter? Maybe it
Speaker 1: just doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet because I mean, the game it's
Speaker 2: all a metaphor, right, The game is rigged as a
Speaker 2: metaphor for life for life. Yeah, so the life is
Speaker 2: rigged is essentially what they're telling you there, and like
Speaker 2: the trajectory of life seems as though that was a
Speaker 2: little less rigged, and I feel like that was kind
Speaker 2: of what they were going for, but I think they
Speaker 2: could have paid it. It seemed like one of those
Speaker 2: kind of corporations, like like you know a lot of
Speaker 2: these future movies always make it look like three companies
Speaker 2: control everything, and let's be real, like right now, we're
Speaker 2: like at eight, so like right around that corner from
Speaker 2: being at three as well, And this seemed like the
Speaker 2: media empire if you weren't on, Like all the game
Speaker 2: shows were funneled through this one company.
Speaker 1: I just get the feeling that that was the only
Speaker 1: media company, Like, yeah, all things media was through this, which.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen these these numbers updated in a while.
Speaker 2: I can't speak for anything since probably twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: but after Disney bought twentieth century Fox the year the
Speaker 2: first full year that they owned the twentieth century Fox,
Speaker 2: Disney was responsible for sixty eight percent.
Speaker 1: Of the year's box office.
Speaker 2: Wow, so two thirds of the box office generated. Now,
Speaker 2: some of that goes to you know, billions of dollars
Speaker 2: coming out of you know, Avengers movies and whatnot, But
Speaker 2: by and large it's because any Star Wars movie coming
Speaker 2: out is part of the Disney box office. Any Pixar
Speaker 2: movie coming out, it's part of the Disney box office.
Speaker 2: DreamWorks come, Papa, you know they're a partner. Now, all
Speaker 2: these different movies that feel You see the Pixar, you
Speaker 2: see the DreamWorks, you see the Marvel studios, you see
Speaker 2: the Star Wars. You see it's still twentieth century studios.
Speaker 2: They still put that at the front, but it's Disney.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: All these things feel different. So the idea that one
Speaker 2: media company is controlling it, I don't feel is that
Speaker 2: far off. You could be rare. We are right now,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't help but reflect on I felt like
Speaker 2: we were watching ow my Balls from.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, from my mediocracy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that was the vibe that I got, total
Speaker 2: buddiest watching what's happening. I'd like to think I would
Speaker 2: have because I'm not a big reality guy, Like I'll
Speaker 2: be honest and I don't mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: this was your thing as well, And I don't mean
Speaker 2: to shit talk anyone who likes it. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: In Pittsburgh right now, the day after the new episode
Speaker 2: of Survivor, no one's talking about Survivor in my group.
Speaker 2: You walk around Woodward Studios the day after Survivor and
Speaker 2: it's like, don't spoil it. I didn't have time to
Speaker 2: catch it right now.
Speaker 1: Listen. I watched the first season a Survivor two Richard one.
Speaker 1: I remember that, yeah, and then I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to see this anymore. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: my brother and my mother after the episode ends, we'll
Speaker 1: have like an hour long phone call my after you
Speaker 1: believe that? Yeah, My, After I get done with church
Speaker 1: on Sunday, I go to the seven thirty service with
Speaker 1: my parents, and there's a nine o'clock service of which
Speaker 1: one of my mom's friends goes to. And in between
Speaker 1: after our service ends, before there starts, my mom is
Speaker 1: always like, oh, Deb's over there. I got to talk
Speaker 1: with her about Survivor. She's a bit service, so it's
Speaker 1: still pretty prevalent. That's what. But I mean, I have
Speaker 1: no like I am survivor illiterate. There's so many weird
Speaker 1: immunity challenges and idols and hidden things and fake things.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even keep up with it.
Speaker 2: So do you think we would have stained or is
Speaker 2: it more like watching sports? Because in my mind, I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because I don't like reality TV, I'm not particularly keen
Speaker 2: to real world violence.
Speaker 1: There's a number of.
Speaker 2: Things I think I would be beyond the Running Man
Speaker 2: in a world where that existed.
Speaker 1: Okay, there was no sports talked about on free V.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if there's sports or not.
Speaker 1: And wouldn't people consider Running Man to be the devolution
Speaker 1: of sports? Yeah? The most dangerous game, right, Maybe that's
Speaker 1: what it was. Maybe that was that was live sports.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, they could be.
Speaker 2: They very well could be. And it's not even There
Speaker 2: was mid two thousands movie The Condemned starring Stone Cold
Speaker 2: Steve Austin. They put ten convicts on an island. One
Speaker 2: person can lead. They've they stream it to the society
Speaker 2: and the dude gets his goal is more viewers than
Speaker 2: the super Bowl, and he gets it. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 2: and this felt like a very similar premise here. But
Speaker 2: you're right, there was no reference of football. But this
Speaker 2: just seemed like the kind of world that's rife with
Speaker 2: gambling and generously and all these different like and they
Speaker 2: don't go into any of that. I'm absolutely speculating, which
Speaker 2: speaks to the world building that I'm able to jump
Speaker 2: to these kinds of conclusions.
Speaker 1: I mean, for the for the most part, this story
Speaker 1: was really told from the have not side. We did
Speaker 1: not get any halves side like we did in Good Fortune. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or I guess we didn't have long Walk either. But
Speaker 1: weird casting. Bulky's weird casting note here part two, because
Speaker 1: I think I did one already. Do you remember Agent
Speaker 1: Doug in this movie? Agent Doug was the guy who
Speaker 1: received Glenn Powell after he met with Josh Brolin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was took the sock in the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you recognize them for anything?
Speaker 2: I didn't didn't even register. You know, he's been in
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 1: He is a rapper with a stage name of Slain.
Speaker 1: I believe it is. He's performed. He formed a supergroup
Speaker 1: with I can't remember who and House of Pain, and
Speaker 1: he's been in this well. Yeah, Slain was in Oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget now. He was in a Ben Affleck movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, the account and the town. Well, I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: to the town in a second. He was in a
Speaker 2: Ben Affleck movie just as sort of like an extra
Speaker 2: or something, and I guess Ben Affleck liked him, so
Speaker 2: then he hired him a cast him in the town.
Speaker 2: He was the driver that drove the ambulance at the
Speaker 2: end of the town. That he was like their wheelman.
Speaker 2: Yeah and that, And so as soon as I'm watching
Speaker 2: on this, I think that's the dude from the town.
Speaker 2: And I looked it up.
Speaker 1: Sure enough it was him that but I can't remember
Speaker 1: the first a It might have been gone, baby, gone,
Speaker 1: now baby, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: He's actually, ironically enough, in a Frank Grill Frank Grillo
Speaker 2: vehicle named the Wheelman.
Speaker 1: Oh there, I wonder if he was the wheelman.
Speaker 2: He's actually got I'm looking at the first half dozen
Speaker 2: right here. He was in the worst movie he ever made,
Speaker 2: the Joker sequel.
Speaker 1: He was in h I didn't realize he was in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's in Why block that movie out? But he's
Speaker 2: in a ton of stuff, so yeah, but so yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't even reckon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the way he talked, you know, he's you know,
Speaker 1: some of these actors, they just can't hide where they're from.
Speaker 1: Billy Bob Thornton, I think is one of them. This
Speaker 1: guy definitely mean, I can't tell. This guy is like
Speaker 1: Boston bred, yeah.
Speaker 2: And realistically the only likable person within the establishment. Like
Speaker 2: he does what he says he's going to do, He
Speaker 2: tries to come through, he's he's courteous, he's respectful. Everybody
Speaker 2: else kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: I think there's there's something something to be said for,
Speaker 1: like I, okay, so I know somebody like this in
Speaker 1: real life, and how he treats people who are you know,
Speaker 1: have nots or whatever. And I know how hard this
Speaker 1: dude worked to have what he has, And sometimes I
Speaker 1: think it's weird the way he communicates and talks with
Speaker 1: and treats some of these people and and and to
Speaker 1: me it's like, well, I think he does that because
Speaker 1: he recognizes that maybe there's a couple of breaks that
Speaker 1: went his way where where if they didn't go his way,
Speaker 1: he would be like, you know, living living in a
Speaker 1: similar lifestyle to these people. And I think that was
Speaker 1: sort of like what Agent Doug had too, where like
Speaker 1: you know, if if you know he was fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to get this good job, but yeah, something goes differently.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's he's forced to do the Running Man as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean where we're never that far removed, and
Speaker 2: I have to ask you did your casting thing here?
Speaker 2: So I go ahead because I couldn't help, but ask
Speaker 2: myself this, and I genuinely don't have an answer, because
Speaker 2: who would you did you want to punch in the
Speaker 2: face more Josh Brolin in this character or uh Luke Skywalker?
Speaker 2: I'm blanking on his name. Oh Mark uh Mark Hamill?
Speaker 2: Mark Hamill from The Long Walk who was more punishable
Speaker 2: this movie, because Mark Hamill was a little more cartoonish,
Speaker 2: but Brolan did lean into the camp quite a bit
Speaker 2: in this movie. So like there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: I resented both of them.
Speaker 1: I would say Mark Hamill because I think at times
Speaker 1: I do feel like Josh Brolin was really rooting for
Speaker 1: for Glenn Poll maybe selfishly ratings wise, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think he was. He was taking the time to meet
Speaker 1: with them. It's he was looking out for his own
Speaker 1: self interest. You know. The longer this dude survives, the
Speaker 1: better my ratings are going to be. The more people
Speaker 1: are going to be watching the better my life's going
Speaker 1: to be. But I do think he was kind of
Speaker 1: genuine in that Hollywood would chew you up book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know they would, Yeah, Mark Mark Hamill, he gave
Speaker 1: us kudos and his props to these guys, but it
Speaker 1: was a real gruff terse way. And and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just maybe I am gullible when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: And and you saw right through Brolin's thing, and he's
Speaker 1: not a redeeming character. I didn't like him, but I
Speaker 1: probably liked him more than I liked Mark Hamill's character
Speaker 1: in Long Walk.
Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be real, just even in my own life.
Speaker 2: As you know, I'm not going to go into details,
Speaker 2: but I've been dealing with some higher ups in different
Speaker 2: media areas and I'm always and they're not trying to
Speaker 2: sign me up for something that's gonna kill me over
Speaker 2: the course of thirty days. And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: yeah right, And I'm like, what is your ulterior motive here?
Speaker 1: And so we have talked about this before. Everybody's got
Speaker 1: an agenda, Yeah, everybody? Yeah, you and I have an agenda. Yes,
Speaker 1: It's just that's that we're humans. We can't help.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And like again, I think I trend a little
Speaker 2: more towards Brolin because there was something just so extra seedy.
Speaker 2: Like I do believe Mark Hamill for all of his
Speaker 2: faults and flaws, and he did suck. I do think
Speaker 2: he actually believed in the Long Walk, Like I think
Speaker 2: he was a cog in a machine that he was
Speaker 2: just as much a part of as anybody else. Roland
Speaker 2: was like a puppet master. He was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: am furthering this degeneration. I'm in charge of it, like
Speaker 2: this is my thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is what I do, and everybody
Speaker 1: else does what I say. You know, he he got
Speaker 1: Ben Richards to sign on the data. By the way,
Speaker 1: did you think that there is going to be more
Speaker 1: of a fight there for Ben Richards to not sign
Speaker 1: off to be on the running man. He seemed to
Speaker 1: give in pretty quickly there.
Speaker 2: You know, I did think there would be more. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I don't hate it because it.
Speaker 1: Was desperation time for his daughter, clearly.
Speaker 2: Right, and you know he's going to sign it like
Speaker 2: like that. That is a like let's get to the
Speaker 2: part that we all know why we're here and what
Speaker 2: stuck out to me. And I don't know how well
Speaker 2: you remember the original, but the three people that go
Speaker 2: into the game all coordinated. Like I was sitting there
Speaker 2: waiting for the three contestants to meet up, like that's
Speaker 2: what stuck out to me. And apparently minus the ending,
Speaker 2: this is very faithful to the book. Okay, so I
Speaker 2: guess it's more relevant for the way things right.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, just from a from a strategy standpoint,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see those two contestants at all
Speaker 1: because because if I'm close in proximity to him, guess
Speaker 1: who the hunters are going to be focusing on? Sure,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you got more of a chance
Speaker 1: that where if I'm like totally separated from everybody, and
Speaker 1: then what's that?
Speaker 2: What's the rules of where you can travel? It didn't
Speaker 2: seem like there were Could you have gone to Australia? Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you could get through the you know.
Speaker 1: Of course you got to drop them off in that
Speaker 1: that stupid video in the mail. Yeah, that's what gets
Speaker 1: you in Australia.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I'm flying to Thailand at the end
Speaker 2: of January and there's a fourteen hour just one of
Speaker 2: the flights am on this fourteen hours, so like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're playing with fire at that point, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's time for us to rate this.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling this is to me the second
Speaker 1: time ever. Yeah, you are going to give a film
Speaker 1: a higher rating? Yeah, I have a feeling too. Are
Speaker 1: you in the nine category? Wow? Yeah? Significantly, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go seven on this one. Yeah. So it was fun,
Speaker 1: it was enjoyable. Didn't move the needle for me, you know,
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways that that I like my
Speaker 1: needle to be moved. Clip that. Yeah, it was fine,
Speaker 1: it was good. I liked it. I I was eagerly
Speaker 1: waiting to see what happened next. I perhaps my expectations
Speaker 1: on seeing more of a traditional Edgar Wright film has
Speaker 1: has me kind of like down a little bit on that. Sure,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean for what it was, seven, I
Speaker 1: think it was well acted. I think the direction was solid,
Speaker 1: and I think the story was fun. Nothing blew my
Speaker 1: socks off. And seven is not a bad score, which
Speaker 1: is why I give it a seven. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, this I think is an example for me
Speaker 2: of the sum being more than the total.
Speaker 1: However you say it, yeah, because it's the sum is
Speaker 1: greater than the parts. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the acting, none of it's gonna blow your mind.
Speaker 1: None of it's bad.
Speaker 2: But it's not like there was like a Heath Ledger
Speaker 2: Joker performance in there, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: it's nothing that's going to be talked about in a year.
Speaker 2: Remember Glenn Paul is being a teargate. Yeah. The plot,
Speaker 2: this is like the seventh ninety nine percent versus one
Speaker 2: percent movie that you and I have discussed on this
Speaker 2: It's not revolutionary in any way. The outcome, the ending,
Speaker 2: there's there's no ending, And honestly, you and I talking
Speaker 2: about it makes me realize as an Edgar Wright film,
Speaker 2: they basically just redid the ending to Scott Pilgrim versus
Speaker 2: the World. And that's all I'm going to say about that,
Speaker 2: because I don't want to go into anything else other
Speaker 2: than that. But there's actually quite a few like he
Speaker 2: just kind of did the same thing he's already done.
Speaker 2: Nothing stands out as original. But as I mentioned, the
Speaker 2: first forty minutes was probably one of the most into
Speaker 2: an action movie I've ever been because I was so
Speaker 2: excited about it, and as that novelty wore off, what
Speaker 2: began to wear on for me was the Richards Lives movement. Yeah,
Speaker 2: watching society come together, the fact that people weren't on
Speaker 2: his side, and quite frankly, stuff that I would prefer
Speaker 2: to see happen in the real world a little bit.
Speaker 2: I use the word Pollyannis either a week or two ago,
Speaker 2: and there was an element of Pollyanna to me in this.
Speaker 2: But I you told me, it's like the naive outlook,
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, the media is here to inform us.
Speaker 2: They don't have an agenda. Bulky said, they have an agenda.
Speaker 2: But the media is here for the news.
Speaker 1: No, they're not.
Speaker 2: They have their spin. We all know they have their spin.
Speaker 2: There's polyanners. Did the billionaires getting their come up? And
Speaker 2: does that happen in real life?
Speaker 1: Not often?
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't, and I would I like to see
Speaker 2: it more, yes, But like there were different components that
Speaker 2: kept me just happy and engaged. And as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: there were two or three lines that made me think,
Speaker 2: does that get right? Listen outside the box because like
Speaker 2: I've said specifically that multiple times and it was awesome.
Speaker 2: So like, I'll be real with you, man, I was
Speaker 2: walking out of that theater and I'm like, Ben, you
Speaker 2: can't show up tomorrow and give this a ten because
Speaker 2: he's gonna look at you like you're ridiculous. This is
Speaker 2: the first perfect movie. I was like, find something. So
Speaker 2: the ending was a little convoluted to me. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go it a nine and a half because
Speaker 2: of that ending. And I had to talk myself down
Speaker 2: to a nine and a half because I thoroughly and
Speaker 2: I for the record, still think Scott Pilgrim versus The
Speaker 2: World is better than this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well let's see how this one lives on.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I saw Scott Pilgrim when I was in
Speaker 2: my early twenties a little confused on life, which is
Speaker 2: exactly where he was. So there's much like in that movie.
Speaker 2: I related to Michael Sarah in that movie there, so uh.
Speaker 2: But to me, I thought this was an awesome interpretation,
Speaker 2: nothing john Wick style. I said in the john Wick
Speaker 2: episode that john Wick kind of ruined action flicks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to a little, to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: But this doesn't lean into it. I expected it to
Speaker 2: be more graphic. There were graphic moments, but it was
Speaker 2: by no means at Gorefest. No, not a whole lot
Speaker 2: of death in general, and there's even moments where he
Speaker 2: abstains and he's like, you're telling me to kill these
Speaker 2: people and I'm not going to kill him, like, which
Speaker 2: which I thought was an interesting take. It's the kind
Speaker 2: of creativity or lack thereof it's hard to explain. It's
Speaker 2: hard to explain how this movie hit on so many
Speaker 2: levels for me. But I know what I like. I
Speaker 2: don't know what's art, but I know what I know
Speaker 2: when I see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love this So the other thing too,
Speaker 1: I think that that kind of held me back. I
Speaker 1: thought there was going to be portions of because you
Speaker 1: got to survive thirty days, right, yeah, And I thought
Speaker 1: they're'd be like, Okay, Days one through six, he's hold
Speaker 1: up here, Days seven through eight, he's on the run.
Speaker 1: Days nine through eleven he's hold up here, which I
Speaker 1: think we like. They spent so much time on the
Speaker 1: first two days, right, first two or three days, and
Speaker 1: then and he didn't make it a spoiler alert. He
Speaker 1: doesn't make it till thirty there's a something happens before then.
Speaker 1: But then there was just so much like I that
Speaker 1: was maybe it would have been too boring to tell,
Speaker 1: but I was looking forward to more like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy's got to keep moving. He can't just hold up somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the advice in Walking dead Man. Once you settle down,
Speaker 1: you die. You always got to keep moving, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that was true in this movie too, No for sure.
Speaker 2: And I there's a movie Ready or Not where a
Speaker 2: rich family, like a poor a girl from a blue
Speaker 2: collar family is marrying into a very wealthy family and
Speaker 2: they make you play a game because they made their
Speaker 2: fortune on games, and all the games are just normal games,
Speaker 2: like if you get Shoots and Ladders, you just play
Speaker 2: Shoots and Ladders, But if you get Hide and Seek,
Speaker 2: the entire family's trying to murder you. And there's a
Speaker 2: whole plot as to why I remember I say tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Weaving is the main actress. He's phenomenal. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: And at one point, like there's cameras all over the
Speaker 2: house and they're like, no, no, no, we play this
Speaker 2: like our forefathers did when the games were invented. We
Speaker 2: don't use any of the technology. And you're sitting there
Speaker 2: You're like, they're absolutely used.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: And so in this movie you see like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: not tracking you. We're not doing this field, that's what.
Speaker 2: And I immediately I was like, they're absolutely the.
Speaker 1: Orange bracelet thing. Yeah, I mean you're telling me this,
Speaker 1: you know, the the videotapes and and like that, the
Speaker 1: camera and everything. There's no tracker in there. Give me
Speaker 1: a break. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there there's a there's a lot of moments in
Speaker 2: it that just like I would highly recommend this, don't
Speaker 2: let the box office scary. And even while we were talking,
Speaker 2: I looked up reviews. They're they're decent, They're two thirds
Speaker 2: for critics and audience, so.
Speaker 1: And I think that's deservedly. So I I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think it's really if you go into this movie
Speaker 1: and you watch it and you come out and you say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like that. I mean I don't
Speaker 1: think you like movies. Yeah, I gave it a seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Much more. What is it? Bearish on this one?
Speaker 1: Like it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, that's what I thought. Okay, so a little bit,
Speaker 2: you still like it, but you're more bearish than I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bearish it. That's not the right. I'm less bullish
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, I think that's the way I would.
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, solid stuff. Though next week I'm
Speaker 2: optimistic about next week as well. We might be going
Speaker 2: back to back here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this right now. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give this movie no, no smaller than an eight and
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, I have already made up my mind.
Speaker 1: I'm going to like it. I love this series, and
Speaker 1: I don't care what I mean. I haven't looked at
Speaker 1: the reviews or anything. I don't care what they are.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to unbiasedly talk about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next week I'm not gonna be able to. So when
Speaker 1: you listen to our now you see me now you
Speaker 1: don't episode bear that in mind. Now I'll give a
Speaker 1: disclaimer at the start of that episode too. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, guys, I love this movie, but I
Speaker 1: said on last week's show that I was gonna love
Speaker 1: this movie. So take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2: And you've said as much about movies in general that
Speaker 2: you much more so go in knowing you're gonna like
Speaker 2: it or a little.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not knowing, it's just making up your mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, if you believe you're gonna like something, or
Speaker 1: if you if you believe you're not gonna like something,
Speaker 1: then that's the way it is.
Speaker 2: That that's the beauty of cinema. Man, Like, no, it's
Speaker 2: not the beauty.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the wrong way to do it. It's
Speaker 1: an extraordinarily closed mind view of title look at things.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, but like, we watched Nuremberg last week and
Speaker 2: I walked I walked in, I'm like, what am I
Speaker 2: really getting into? And I enjoyed it and the performances
Speaker 2: were good. And then I saw this yesterday. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I forgot this is this is how
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to feel walking out of the theater. Am
Speaker 2: I a Cretan?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know it's like you had
Speaker 1: your cup of coffee with Nuremberg and then you you
Speaker 1: did your your your eight ball. Yes it's running man,
Speaker 1: you know exactly to turn into a horse.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it.
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