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the website. All right, So a story of the AP
I found to be interesting with the headline a tough
on crime approach is back in US state capitols Tough
on crime approach and it kind of feels like this
is mirroring a pendulum swing that occurred in the eighties.
We just had Mark Harrison. We were talking about the
inauguration being moved indoors. The last time it got moved indoors.
Do you know when that was. It's Ronald Reagan. It
was so cold they moved it inside. And there are
some other similarities that people are drawing. You had the
return of hostages right before taking office, and you had
the assassination attempt, very eerily similar. Right, Not that history repeats,
but sometimes it rhymes, although in this case it does
kind of sound like it's repeating a little bit. But
so there's that. And in the eighties we saw, you know,
crime getting out of control, and then there was the backlash.
Tough on crime policies came about, and then you know,
we ended up with a pretty relatively safe I say
that relatively safe, but look, the crime stats have the
crime rates have been declining for the last thirty years.
So and there I've read enough material on this where
nobody really knows why. There are all sorts of theories
and stuff, but in general, when you zoom out looking
back fifty years, the data is on a downward slope,
which is very good, very good. Now that being said,
Charlotte Mecklenburg Police put out its latest crime report this
for twenty twenty four, overall crime down three percent in Charlotte.
And that's there, that's their headline. Overall crime is down
three percent. That's good, right, good news. Yeah, But if
you look at the breakout, which they do include, I
will give them credit. CMPD did include the breakdown of
the crimes at the very end of the four page
press release. But at the very end they list the
breakdown as a violent crimes and then homicides and then
aggravated assaults, rapes, armed robberies, property crimes, residential burglaries and
commercial burglaries, larcenies from auto and vehicle thefts, and arsons. Okay,
violent crime is actually up. Violent crime is up by
about two hundred offenses. Now keep in mind, also we
have more people living here. So when you break it
out of proportion of the population, right, you look at
a violent crime rate per thousand people, and you know
you have more people, you have more crime incidents. So
if you have more crime incidents, then yes, you're going
to see this number increase. Obviously, So seventy four hundred
offenses versus seventy two hundred in twenty twenty three, so
it's basically a two hundred incident increase. Homicides went up
by twenty two, aggravated assaults went up by one hundred, thirty,
rapes dropped by twenty, armed robberies declined by twenty, and
property crimes declined by one thousand, five hundred, and so
I would submit that is the driver of the data decline,
which makes sense because when you look at the property
crimes numbers, it is by and large it's the biggest
category of crime. Property crimes account for like thirty seven
thousand crimes, and all the others are in either the
hundreds or the mid you know, five six seven thousand range.
Property crime is the biggest category. So that declined fifteen hundred.
Residential burglaries were down two hundred and fifty. And I
have no idea if this is true, so I'll say
it anyway. I think it probably may have something to
do with the rise of the affordability of home security systems.
Commercial burglaries were up by one hundred. I would guess
that might be due to all of the construction sites
getting raided. Reels as such larsnees from automobiles up by
about one thousand. These are people that usually this is
people leaving stuff in their vehicles unlocked. And I do
not understand why people do this. Why see it in
your viewvehicle with the doors unlocked, unless you're trying to
get the laptops stolen so you can collect insurance money
and get a new one. That's the only reason I
can think. People do this and then do it multiple times.
And I know some people that this has happened to
multiple times, Like if you don't lock your car after
the first time, you get robbed out of your car, Like,
I'm sorry, Like that's mainly a you problem. You need
to be paying way more at insurance rates. But that's
the second biggest category. There was eleven thousand, over eleven
thousand larcenies from autos last year. Vehicle thefts up, sorry,
vehicle thefts down, sorry down down by about five hundred.
Arsons There were one hundred and sixty two last year.
There were one forty three the previous year, so arson
has gone up by about twenty So it's kind of
a mixed bag. But again, the violent crimes, homicides and
aggravated assaults have all gone up, So while overall crime
is down, the violent crime seems to be up. CMPD
reported a three percent decrease in overall crime, victimization, and
overall incidents. This is the result of the department's focus
on key areas such as juvenile crime, automobile thefts, street takeovers,
and curtailing violent crime in areas of high victimization. Violent
crime was up three percent in victimization but down one
percent in the number of incidents in twenty twenty four.
The main driver of this rise in victimization was the
four percent increase in aggravated assault by pointing a firearm. Now,
in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, CMPD launched
what's called the CORE thirteen, the Coordinated Overlap Response Effort,
the CORE, or as I call it, the CORE, well
they call it that too. It's an initiative involving all
thirteen CMPD divisions to increase what do you think, officer presence,
not like gifts, but there right them being places, their
presence in the community. During the first two months of
CORE thirteen, seventy five firearms were sized, one hundred and
twenty three arrests were made. The initiative was a driver
in lowering violent crime by four percent just in the
fourth quarter. Overall, it was of okay, so what are
they saying. What does CMPD say that when we increase
officer presence it leads to a decrease in crime, particularly
violent crime. Charlotte also saw a decline in juvenile crime,
in part due to the launch of CMPDS Juvenile Accountability
and Diversion Empowerment Team, the JADE Team, or as I
call it, the Jade Well they call it that too
also all right, So jade's focus is juvenile investigations, monitoring
at risk youth and conducting operations to reduce crime and
break the cycle of recidivism, which is like returning to
the life of crime kind of thing, reoffending. This is
the program where they go and they visit the homes
of quote at risk youth. They arrested one hundred and two, sorry,
one hundred and twenty two juveniles involved in criminal activity
and violent crimes involving juvenile suspects decrease two percent for
the year. So again another example, what is this targeted enforcement?
More police reduces the crime. If only there was some
sort of a trend that we could tease out of
this data. Street takeovers they're down pop up takeovers or
down eighty eight percent. This is where the people drive
their cars and donuts and the intersections of roads and stuff.
Twenty twenty four, CMPD had four hundred and sorry I
read the wrong part here. This is street takeovers. Pop
up takeovers down eighty eight percent, and the pre arranged
events declined seventy one percent. Street takeover vehicle seizures rose,
so they seized a whole bunch of people's cars that
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All right, So joining me by the way. I am
here at the thirty third annual Union County Crime Stoppers Barbecue,
and I got the sheriff here of Union County Eddie,
is it Kathy or Kathy Kathy? Okay. I didn't want
to mispronounce it, so I figured i'd say it both ways,
just to be safe. That's COVID your coverd okay. So
I also made sure he says, I'm not going to
get towed for parking along the side of the road
in order to get here and make my on air shift. See,
it's it's good to know people think you'll be good.
Speaker 2: I'll go out there and check and I'll be sure
nobody's already, toady, thank.
Speaker 1: You'll be good. Right if I get out there now
and I find my car, toad it was it with
f B City with no call, okay, right, all right?
So first off, let's talk just a bit about the
event here, this Crime Stoppers Barbecue event. How thirty three
years and so what do you all use the money for?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: And is this like? Is this it? Is this the
big fundraiser of the only fund It's the only one.
It's the only fundraiser have all year and all the
money goes back into the community. A big portion of.
Speaker 2: What we did today was donated by the public. All
the meat, the slaw, everything is donated. So the money
that comes in is a lot of money, but every
bit of it goes back out in the community. Nobody
gets a salary and nobody touches anything that don't go
through the crime stoppers board.
Speaker 1: And the money is used to pay what the rewards
forward for tips. Yeah. So, so do you ever end
up in a year where you get more money than
you got tips where it's like the last tip of
the year, like December thirty first, Like if I commit
a crime and then tip off myself, can I make
a lot of money with whatever's left in the till
We'd have to have the board consider that. I'm just
trying to think outside the box. I was going over
the crime data from Charlotte Mecklenburg Police. They released the
crime data for twenty twenty four, and we were just
chatting about it before we got on the air here
and you, unsolicited from me, you said something about car
or larcenies from vehicles. This is a big problem in
Union County. I mean, I don't think you got the
numbers that they got in Charlotte Mecklburg. But why is
this such a problem. I don't understand why people first off,
leave their cars open to get burglarized like that to
get stolen from in the first place, and then I
guess the crime. The thieves know that this crime is
easily done.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of things in play. For one thing,
the juvenile law changed in North Carolina to where yeah,
that hurts all this process, seventeen sixteen year old. No,
they're not going to jail. They get recruited by who
knows who to hit these neighborhoods, pull on door handles.
If the public would lock their vehicles every night, and.
Speaker 1: Really if they just put the stuff out of sight.
Speaker 2: Because they run down through these neighborhoods and pull door
handles till they find one open, then they steal everything
that's in there.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any difference what it is.
Speaker 2: They'll go through the ashtrays, the computers, sometimes they get
a gun. It goes right back out into the criminal world.
Speaker 1: So it's this like an organized theft ring.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that much organized. I think it's
just thieves that band together to be successful at their job.
And then when they hit these neighborhoods, see they know
they'll have one person drop them off, and they run
through these neighborhoods and they're so hard to catch in
those neighborhoods. But we have caught them, caught some we've charged.
I think one time we charged thirty four people. Oh wow,
so it's a big deal. And but they do more
damage than they get money.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, if they especially if they're breaking windows or
something like that.
Speaker 2: They're breaking some windows, but not a lot of window breakage.
Speaker 1: If they just locked the cars, yeah, be a big help. Yeah. No,
it's say it happens all the time in my neighborhood.
I don't understand because usually somebody takes to the Facebook
group and they're like, I just got robbed from my car,
And first somebody will ask did you leave it open?
And I'm like, well, yes, uh so maybe that's happening.
Maybe you got people that are coming in and dropping
off the whole Uh.
Speaker 2: Well these kids, and a lot of them come out
of Charlotte. Yeah, a lot of them know that they're
coming out of Charlotte. But if we catch them, they
regret being in our county, be called, we lock them up,
charge them.
Speaker 1: So apparently CMPD with their press release that they put
out in their news conference that they did apparently they're
they're claiming and maybe you can confirm they're claiming that
when they step up police presence and target particular areas
and crimes and criminal activity with more law enforcement, that
the crime goes down. Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 2: You know, you know, you know what, hard meat. I don't
have to think about that a little bit. If you
have more law enforcement, and you have more enforcement, it
helps crime rate.
Speaker 1: That's what I've I'm just throwing it to you. You're
if you if you were unaware, like this could be,
this could be really.
Speaker 2: Innovating, something news you could think about.
Speaker 1: Right, That's it's pretty amazing. It's and so you've got obviously,
I mean we're being sarcastic here. Obviously sheriff knows this. Uh.
It does seem odd that we have to relearn this
lesson about every twenty to thirty years though for some reason.
Speaker 2: Well, we don't have to relearn that thing.
Speaker 1: We've not stopped doing it.
Speaker 2: We've kept our crime rate low, we've kept actually the
breaking the entrings low. We had one murder here last year,
so we've not changed the way we operate. We have
people that know where all the break ins are happening.
And we try to target. We try to put extra
patrol in there, we put everything we need in there
to try to catch them, and we do catch a.
Speaker 1: Lot of them, and then we prosecute them. There's I
think that's the key here. I think that is a
big part of the equation.
Speaker 2: Our district attorneys very pro law enforcement supports our agency
as well as all the agencies in the county, and
we've not adapted those philosophies to just not arrest them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sheriff ed Kathy, we appreciate you joining us on
the program here. Thanks for all of your work at
the Sheriff's office and with the crime stoppers and the
barbecue here. Thanks for your service. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I appreciate you all being here from WBT.
Absolutely all right.
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Within minutes of his inauguration Monday, new Missouri Governor Mike
Keho is expected to issue a variety of orders targeting crime.
The tone setting move reflects a national trend. After a
period of relaxed sentencing laws, a tough on crime approach
is back in political favor in the US. Now you
know me, I am a why guy, I like to
ask why, and so when I read that last sentence
after a period of relaxed sentencing laws, why why was
there a period of relaxed sentencing laws? What contributed to that?
What prompted that? And then it says a tough on
crime approach is back in political favor once again. Why
why would it be back in favor? What happened? Why
the change? Yeah, so this is what Sheriff Cathy was
talking about. There was the state law changed in North
Carolina under Republicans, the raise the age law where they're like,
we're the last state in America that still prosecutes, you know,
sixteen and seventeen year olds as adults, and so they
passed this law the age made at eighteen. Then all
of a sudden, you'll never guess what happened, a whole
bunch of sixteen and seventeen year olds started skating on
violent offenses. So then they came back and they were like, Okay,
we're gonna add some more offenses to the list where
you can still be charged as an adult if you're
sixteen or seventeen and you commit these types of really bad,
egregious crimes. So the criminal enterprise is criminals do know this.
They know that if you don't penalize people under the
age of eighteen, then they will get people under the
age of eighteen to do parts of the operation for
them that carry the most risk for incarceration for them
if they get caught doing it. Republicans and Democrats alike
the AP reports are promoting anti crime initiatives as a
new year of lawmaking gets underway in state capitols. That
comes after voters in several states approved ballot measures in
the full imposing stricter penalties for crimes ranging from shoplifting
to deadly drug dealing. Once again, why why would voters
in several states approve ballot measures to impose stricter penalties
What happened? In some states? The anti crime measures are
intertwined with efforts to crack down on those living in
the US illegally la burring, an emptis of President elect
Donald Trump. Many also propose tougher penalties for trafficking fentanyl.
Asynthetic opioid killed tens of thousands of overdose deaths every
single year. Other measures go beyond that. Some seek stricter
sentences for sexual offenses involving children, violent crimes or retail
theft rings and those have gained attention from social media
videos showing shoplifting crews rampaging through stores. So, once again,
why what is prompting people to choose to get quo
tough on crime? In Maryland, Democratic State Representative or sorry,
State Senator Ron Watson is sponsoring legislation he said would
let prosecutors file felony charges against everybody involved in a
group theft if the total value exceeds fifteen hundred dollars,
even if each person stole less than the fifteen hundred dollars. So, like,
if you are part of one of these retail theft
gangs that go into a store and you know, raid
the shelves and pull a bunch of stuff off the
shelves and run out, and you're one of ten people,
and all ten people steal two hundred dollars worth of items,
that would be what a total of two grand, and
that would mean you get felony charge. Criminals have become
emboldened because they can get away with things and pretty
much get a slap on the wrist. Watson said, violent
or nonviolent, a crime is a crime, and that crime
needs to be punished. This is one of the things too,
when you get when you're victimized by crime, which is
a quote unquote nonviolent crime, that's a property crime, and
people think that somehow or another, that there isn't any
kind of you know, without getting all lefty on you,
but trauma, right that there isn't some trauma involved in that,
And there is. There absolutely is. People's homes get burglarized,
right there is. You never feel safe in your home again,
trust me on that one personal experience. You'll never feel
as safe in your home again once you get burglarized.
If you're working in a store and a bunch of
hooligans rush in and steal a bunch of stuff and
terrorize people as they're you know, menacingly threatening them and
grabbing stuff and running all around the store, right, that's
a scary situation because here's the thing. You may know
you're going in there to just steal some clothing. I
don't know you're coming in here to just steal clothing.
I don't know that. All I see is ten fifteen
people storm the gate and start grabbing everything in sight.
I have no idea what your intention is. It's obviously
to engage in some sort of criminal activity. So I
don't know that that's a scary thing. So the federal
government in many states have backed away from the nineteen
eighties policies that imposed harsher I don't know why they're
doing this, like drug crimes in spotlight. This is the
associated press. So of course they're going to go to
the different sentences for crack cocaine versus powder cocaine from
the nineteen eighties, as civil rights activists noted a disproportionate
impact on minorities. But the police chief of the Salt
Lake City suburb of Roy that's the name of the town, said,
these sentencing enhancements for fentanyl are justified. See so it's like, well, whoa, well,
I don't know if we can do these, you know,
increased harsher penalties for fentanyl because remember the whole crack
versus powder coke thing, I mean, you know, racism. You
are aware that there's a difference between fentanyl and crack.
You do know that, right. Many types of crimes rose
during the coronavirus pandemic, according to the AP story. More recently,
the rates of violent crimes and many property crimes have
trended back down. However, shoplifting remains above pre pandemic levels.
This is according to the Council on Criminal Justice that
is a non partisan think tank. But people's sense of
security is not necessarily tied to statistics. You hear CMPD
Police Chief Johnny Jennings say this sort of thing all
the time, where he says, you know, if they don't
think they're safe. I think Malcolm Graham's city councilman has
said this as well. If people don't believe they're safe,
that perception means that like that they're not doing their job.
Police and the courts are not doing their job, and
police get I think they get tagged with all the
responsibility for this when oftentimes they arrest people and then
they go before a magistrate and a magistrate looks at
them and they're like, oh poor babe, and they're like,
go ahead, you can go home. Release you back into
the custody of your mommy and daddy, who obviously are
doing such a bang up job that you got kittye
porn on your computer. Oh yeah, that happened literally a
case out of Mecclinburg County, Cornelius. The guy's name, eighteen
year old accused of distributing child porn of girls as
young as four. He spent two hours in jail before
being released to his mother with no bond. Now, the
magistrates will tell you that in this case Brett Kimberl
the quick release, that his quick release was okay, basically
because look, they're just following the law, and they're trying
to the magistrate is just following the law, and the
purpose of the bond is to make sure that they
show back up in court or if they are some
sort of a you know, existential threat or immediate threat
to the community. Well, I would submit that the guy
who was living at home probably shouldn't have been remanded
back to the custody of the people that were supposed
to be looking after him at that home. It doesn't
seem like a wise move. But what do I know.
I'm just a radio host. I'm no magistrate, all right.
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the way, yes, they are still doing the thirty third
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Union County Agricultural Center. Brett winter Bill will be taken
over the con after I am done. Seven oh four, five,
seven oh eleven ten. Got an email here to Pete
at vpeteclenarshow dot Com from John, who says, wait, I
am confused. Are you saying that defunding the police and
shifting their funds to social programs did not reduce crime?
How was this possible? We had social policy geniuses like
Braxton Winston and councilwoman Dimple Ajmerah tell us that it would.
I know, it's so weird. Is it possible? And I'm
just spitballing here though, John, Is it possible that just
because you win a seat on a city council doesn't
mean you know how to actually do police work. It
doesn't mean you know how to solve crimes. That's just
I'm just spitball in here. It's just an idea. So
the federal government and many states backed away from the
nineteen eighties policies. They don't say why in this Associated
Press story. But now there is this newfound respect for
getting tough on crime. Many types of crimes rose during
the pandemic, as I mentioned, but people's sense of security
isn't necessarily tied to the statistics. High profile crimes such
as the New Year's they attack in New Orleans, the
burning of a woman on the subway in New York,
the fatal shooting of the United Healthcare CEO. Right, all
of these things impact the perception of public safety. And look,
that is true. I agree with this AP story on
that front. It does actually impact the perception of public safety.
But here's the thing. If you don't have a lot
of these events, then the impact is minimized. The more
types of events you have like this, then the more
impact it has. Adam Gelb is President and CEO of
the Council on Criminal Justice. He said, quote, many people
seem to think that the reforms over the past two
decades overshot the mark and there needs to be a rebalancing. Yeah,
that's one way to say rebalancing. Of course, there were
some people that were saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are
you doing? Stop? Stop, don't do this. We remember the
seventies and eighties. I mean it wasn't me because I
was like I wasn't even born. But I mean, well,
I wasn't born in the early seventies, but like I
don't remember. I just remember you didn't go to New
York's Times Square. I remember that as a kid. You
didn't go there. It was gross, it was crime written,
it was nasty, So you didn't go there. And then
it was like, I'm down south and I'm seeing all
these things about New York Times Square and like all
of these TV studios are now live in the morning
from there, and I'm like, why would you be in
Times Square? That's nasty? Like Holy Toledo. They really have
made a difference there, Rudy Giuliani. California voters gave overwhelming
approval in November to a ballot initiative. Did you hear
about this? They voted for a ballot initiative in California
making shoplifting a felony for repeat offenders and increasing penalties
for some drug charge is, including those involving fentanyl. The
measure rolled back parts of progressive law passed by voters
in twenty fourteen that downgraded several nonviolent crimes to misdemeanors,
including theft valued under nine hundred and fifty dollars and some
drug offenses. Right, so this is the restoration of sanity.
I got a message here from Russ He says, violent
versus property crime. I understand I'm not wired like most people,
but a few of us were jumped by a much
larger group in college, and I have had my locked
car twice and office three times burgled. For me, the
invasion and removal of my stuff was much more troubling,
right because the thing is you don't ever know, like
with the with the physical assault, the getting jumped by people.
I've had that occur to me as well, Like you
just get blindsided, somebody comes at you whatever, it's like
here now, and then the threat is over. And it's
very easy to sort of say, like this was this
one isolated event. Somebody gets into your house. You have
no idea what they did, You have no idea what
they took, because like it was years later when you
start realizing some of the stuff that is missing and
you're like, whatever happened to that thing? You know? And
you got to take a guess. You're like, I guess
it was the burglary because I just don't know. But
you also don't know if they're coming back, did they
see something they wanted and then they're going to come back.
In Colorado, voters approved a ballant initiative lengthening the time
that people have to serve in prison before they can
be parolled for certain categories of murder, assault, sexual assault, kidnapping, arson, burglary,
and robbery. That's in Colorado, voters approve that. In Arizona,
voters approved measures boosting penalties for deadly fentanel sales and
mandating life imprisonment for certain child ex trafficking crimes. Yes,
I'm okay with that too. I don't think you recover
from that. Like I don't think you're if you're sex
trafficking children, I don't think like I think you're broken.
You're done. That's it. You need to be taken away.
Other states have also backtracked just years after relaxing sentencing laws.
I think, guys, it may have. This is maybe as
close as we get to an admission that they were wrong.
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