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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Mortgage Talk with Mark Harston, the program that

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<v Speaker 1>not only talks about mortgages, taxes, and interest rates, but

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<v Speaker 1>Mark and his guest talk real estate trends and your home.

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<v Speaker 1>He also answers your mortgage questions to help you make

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<v Speaker 1>the right financing or refinancing decisions. Now here's Mark Hairston.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy day everybody, and welcome back to Mortgage Talk with Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>where every week our goal is to bring on some

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<v Speaker 2>guests that will help you make better decisions in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>in your real estate, your investments are your business. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited today to have on not only a

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<v Speaker 2>good friend of mine but also my business coach. And

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<v Speaker 2>he lives in Dallas and phil His company is in

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<v Speaker 2>one academy. He'll introduce himself in just a second. And

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<v Speaker 2>he has helped me immensely over the last couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years and working with me and really my mindset around business.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it takes to set goals and to

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<v Speaker 2>achieve goals and to think positively and get past hurdles.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was really strange. I haven't told you this,

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<v Speaker 2>Bhil yet, but I had a dream about this last night,

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast which has never happened to me. I've probably

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<v Speaker 2>had one hundred of these shows. I've never dreamed the

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<v Speaker 2>night before about it. So anyway, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>introduce yourself and let's get into the heart of it,

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<v Speaker 2>because we've only got about twenty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>We could talk for hours, but let's get started. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, In short thirty thousand foot view, my name is

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<v Speaker 4>Phil Treadwell. Been in mortgage, in real estate sales and

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<v Speaker 4>marketing side of that business for twenty two years. Was

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<v Speaker 4>an originator, you know, branch manager, area regional VP, national director,

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<v Speaker 4>all the things, have a passion for podcasting, have a

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<v Speaker 4>podcast for the industry as well. And for the last

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<v Speaker 4>three years I've been coaching mortgage and real estate professionals.

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<v Speaker 4>And it wasn't anything that I had really planned on

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<v Speaker 4>doing or anticipated, but almost every professional success that I've

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<v Speaker 4>ever had I can directly tie to a coach, a

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<v Speaker 4>mentor someone kind of taking their experience and imparting it

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<v Speaker 4>to me in wisdom, and through a series of events,

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<v Speaker 4>ended up starting some workshops and turning into a coaching

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<v Speaker 4>business practice, if you will. So I do a lot

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<v Speaker 4>with individuals and companies and larger groups and things of

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<v Speaker 4>that nature, But really my mission and passion is to

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<v Speaker 4>help driven people overcome obstacles and maximize results. I love

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<v Speaker 4>it and that's essentially what I do and having a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of fun doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well you're very good at it too.

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<v Speaker 2>And so everything we're going to kind of talk about

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<v Speaker 2>today of either heard you talk about or we've been

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<v Speaker 2>in conversation about. So let's get started around and tell

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit about M one Academy real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, where the name came from, what it means,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what sort of about the mission, if you will.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure in one Academy, the M one stands for mindset first,

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<v Speaker 4>and mindset's not the only thing that's going to make

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<v Speaker 4>someone successful, but it is the most important thing because

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<v Speaker 4>our mindset controls our attitude and our actions, which are

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<v Speaker 4>the only things that we can control. We can't control

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<v Speaker 4>the market, we can't control our sphere of influence, we

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<v Speaker 4>can't control our business partners. But what we can control

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<v Speaker 4>are the things that we do and how we respond

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<v Speaker 4>to the things that happen to us. And so mindset's

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<v Speaker 4>a big part of this. Whenever I first started this

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<v Speaker 4>and was doing some workshops, they were very tactical here's

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<v Speaker 4>the sales and marketing playbook. And people were getting results,

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<v Speaker 4>but not the level that I felt like they should,

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<v Speaker 4>being that we had this playbook kind of laid out

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<v Speaker 4>for them. And really, my coach and mentor at the

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<v Speaker 4>time said, you're you're underestimating some of the intangibles. You're

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<v Speaker 4>underestimating the mindset and some of these foundational elements of

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<v Speaker 4>understanding why you do what you're due. How does that

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<v Speaker 4>create your unique value offer in your in your marketing,

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<v Speaker 4>your messaging. You're you're underestimating having a north star and

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<v Speaker 4>those milestones and those goals and habits. And so that's

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<v Speaker 4>really the genesis of where it came from, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's been very impactful and kind of setting us

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<v Speaker 4>apart from, you know, some other companies that are just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>here's the seven steps of success or here's the five

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<v Speaker 4>things you need to do right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, work your data base, blah blah blah. But it

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<v Speaker 2>takes something to overcome some of those fears, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So so what are the Let's start with some of

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<v Speaker 2>the more common mindset blocks that you see in small

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<v Speaker 2>business people. You know, I know you don't just work

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<v Speaker 2>with small business people, but in general, what holds people

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<v Speaker 2>back from achieving those goals.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great question. There's really two things that hold

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<v Speaker 4>people back from taking action, and the first is fear

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<v Speaker 4>right fear of failure. And this is one of my

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<v Speaker 4>favorite topics to talk about because we were taught in school.

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<v Speaker 4>We were taught growing up that failure and success were opposites.

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<v Speaker 4>In school, you couldn't fail every test, fail every quiz,

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<v Speaker 4>even if you learned what you got wrong. In that

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<v Speaker 4>academia world, you're still a quote unquote failure. And so

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<v Speaker 4>we were taught that, you know, success is on one

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<v Speaker 4>side and failures on the other, and you have to

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<v Speaker 4>make a conscious decision which way you want to go.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the real world, we hear it on stage

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<v Speaker 4>from people that are very successful or have had a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of results. We hear it in podcasts, we hear

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<v Speaker 4>it in books. Failure and success are actually stacked. We

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<v Speaker 4>go through failure to get to success because there's never

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<v Speaker 4>a situation where doing nothing or not taking action is

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<v Speaker 4>better than doing something, even if you fail, because if

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<v Speaker 4>you do nothing, you get nothing. If you do something,

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<v Speaker 4>you have an opportunity to get a win or get

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<v Speaker 4>a result, or maybe you take that loss, but that

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<v Speaker 4>L and loss is actually L for learn. You get

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<v Speaker 4>to learn something that can potentially propel you forward. So

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<v Speaker 4>the opposite of failure is not success. The opposite of

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<v Speaker 4>failure is excuses. And we have a ton of excuses

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<v Speaker 4>about why we don't want to call.

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<v Speaker 3>It what do you call it? X quis or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's so there's there's there's a book called the

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<v Speaker 4>Magic of Thinking Big, and there's three failure diseases that

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<v Speaker 4>it talks about. There there's detail itis, excuse IIS, and procrastination.

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<v Speaker 4>And we all fail or you know, we all suffer

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<v Speaker 4>from one of those those three failure diseases. And and

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<v Speaker 4>we really we get in our own head, we overthink it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I think the other thing that really holds

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<v Speaker 4>us back is what are people going to think, right

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<v Speaker 4>if I go and try something new or if I

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<v Speaker 4>do fail, Because a lot of people may not necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>be a fear failure itself, but they might fear people

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<v Speaker 4>seeing them fail. And we have to remember, listen, they

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<v Speaker 4>don't pay our bills, they don't live our life, they

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<v Speaker 4>don't have our relationships with our family, they're not in

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<v Speaker 4>our spiritual walk. So how do I go out and

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<v Speaker 4>realize that this spotlight that I think is on me

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<v Speaker 4>isn't because a lot of people are too busy thinking

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<v Speaker 4>the spotlights on them.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we just have to get of.

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<v Speaker 4>Our own head and realize that everything we want is

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<v Speaker 4>on the other side of that fear. Everything we want

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<v Speaker 4>will happen through action, through going out and doing the

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<v Speaker 4>things I call them daily habits, daily disciplines are non negotiables.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got to wake up every day with intentionality and

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<v Speaker 4>start doing those things. We've got to intentionally take action spiritually, mentally, physically, emotionally,

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<v Speaker 4>and then yes, and our business financially.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's an old saying about you know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to get used to being uncomfortable, you know, to extend

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<v Speaker 2>yourself out there a little bit and move past that fear. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>my experience over the years is that that's good information

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<v Speaker 2>until the market shifts, you know, and right now, be

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<v Speaker 2>in the mortgage space, it's tough out there, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about those daily habits. What would you

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<v Speaker 2>recommend for me or anybody else who's whether it be

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<v Speaker 2>the real estate or mortgage or any small business. And

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<v Speaker 2>this weird sort of strange economy we're in to to

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<v Speaker 2>move toward those goals faster.

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<v Speaker 3>That's another great question.

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<v Speaker 4>We list them as F five. There's five f's faith,

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<v Speaker 4>family and friends, finance, fitness and focus. And another way

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<v Speaker 4>to think about it is just what I said a

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<v Speaker 4>second ago, spiritual, mental, physical, emotional, financial. We all need

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<v Speaker 4>to come up with one or two, maybe three activities

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<v Speaker 4>actual action habits that we can do on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 4>So a lot of those can get knocked out in

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<v Speaker 4>some type of a morning routine. Okay, there was about

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<v Speaker 4>a year and a half, two years I was waking

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<v Speaker 4>up at four thirty four forty five every single morning.

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<v Speaker 4>And I still wake up pretty early, just not quite

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<v Speaker 4>that early, but I still have that morning routine. And

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<v Speaker 4>what people need to understand is that our mind, from

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<v Speaker 4>a mindset perspective, only distinguishes between wins and losses, but

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<v Speaker 4>not how big they are. So when we go out

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<v Speaker 4>with our daily habits and we get up a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit early, maybe we go to the gym, or take

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<v Speaker 4>some quiet time, or we you know, read a book,

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<v Speaker 4>get in the word, listen to a podcast. We're taking

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<v Speaker 4>care of ourself spiritually and mentally. And again, if we

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<v Speaker 4>do a workout, go for walk, whatever. Then we're taking

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<v Speaker 4>care of ourselves physically and we're able to check those

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<v Speaker 4>boxes off. Those boxes are essentially small wins. And there's

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<v Speaker 4>a really good book by James Clear called Atomic Habits

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<v Speaker 4>where he talks about stacking habits. The way I like

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<v Speaker 4>to frame it is we're stacking wins since our mind

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<v Speaker 4>only distinguishes between wins and losses. If we wake up

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<v Speaker 4>and knock a bunch of these daily habits out, we've

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<v Speaker 4>been stacking wins and that creates momentum. Anytime we check

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<v Speaker 4>things off of a list, we want to check more

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<v Speaker 4>things off of a list. That momentum creates more motivation.

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<v Speaker 4>And the other thing that it creates us confidence. Those

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<v Speaker 4>people that have massive confidence, it's not because they were

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<v Speaker 4>born that way. Confidence isn't a personality trait. Confidence is

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<v Speaker 4>a skill that we learn, and we learn that through

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<v Speaker 4>doing all those little activities and realizing that that's moving

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<v Speaker 4>the needle in my life, that's moving the needle in

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<v Speaker 4>my business way more than the losses do. So if

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<v Speaker 4>we go through that routine, knock out some habits, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe drink a protein shake instead of you know, eating

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<v Speaker 4>a donut right, we reach out to a handful of

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<v Speaker 4>friends and family to reconnect. We do those things, those

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<v Speaker 4>habits in our business. What happens is then if we

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<v Speaker 4>just goes terrible. We just bomb it. Our mind's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>some quiet time. That's a win.

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<v Speaker 4>Out and you still have momentum. So tactically, we've got

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<v Speaker 4>to take action in our business. We have to take

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<v Speaker 4>action in our life. But the way that we trick

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<v Speaker 4>our mind is to realize that that momentum comes from

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<v Speaker 4>celebrating those little wins. We focus too much on the

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<v Speaker 4>things we didn't get done or the things that we

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<v Speaker 4>did wrong. That's not how it works. We have to

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<v Speaker 4>focus on the habits that we did do things right

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<v Speaker 4>and not the level or the size of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I follow a guy on social media named

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Peterson. Has been been around for a long time

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<v Speaker 2>and one of Jordan Peterson's saying is the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>You know, start with something small that you accomplished to

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<v Speaker 3>The next thing, you know, and I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also I've worked with Phil Jones quite a

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<v Speaker 3>And I love that book.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a communications book, and he talks about these four letters,

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<v Speaker 2>LB and NT. You know, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>look back at your day, or even after this podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>And next time? What it would I have done differently?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying that if you have a failure

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<v Speaker 4>That's kind of how I frame it. Self awareness isn't

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<v Speaker 4>are not necessarily truth. Yeah right, It doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 4>they're not true, but it doesn't automatically mean they're true

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<v Speaker 3>Feelings are feedback. It's about a need.

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<v Speaker 4>Being met or a need not being met. So happiness, joy,

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<v Speaker 4>excitement a need was met, right, Frustration, anger, jealously, resentment,

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<v Speaker 4>that's about a need not being met. So when we

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<v Speaker 4>we can really learn a lot of things about ourselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And a quick, easy example was my very first podcast episode.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very telling. I'd never heard myself for thirty

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<v Speaker 4>all my list of questions, so I asked him a question.

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<v Speaker 4>He gave me great answers, great feedback, and I said, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I read the next question and he got done,

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<v Speaker 4>and I said fantastic. I don't ever remember using that

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<v Speaker 4>have conversations with people, create segues and not just say

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<v Speaker 4>the word fantastic. So self awareness is very important.

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<v Speaker 3>Fantastic, phil, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want you to coach me out just for

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<v Speaker 2>of the things I have to really look at my

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<v Speaker 2>own businesses is by follow through, you know, with clients,

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<v Speaker 2>or follow up. You know, it could be current clients

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<v Speaker 2>after closing or whatever. And why do most small business

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think? You know? There was a variety

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<v Speaker 4>The two that come to mind first is we focus

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<v Speaker 4>too much on being busy, not productive. And I coach

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people on really time management and productivity.

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<v Speaker 4>And a really easy exercise is everyone should time track

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<v Speaker 4>their day in thirty minute increments for about three or

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<v Speaker 4>four days, maybe five days, and everything you did just

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<v Speaker 4>of an Excel spreadsheet. I mean, we have a timetracker

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<v Speaker 4>in our coaching program, and you want to go through

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<v Speaker 4>it for three or four or five days, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you want to go back and use yellow light. Excuse me,

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<v Speaker 4>green light, yellow light, red light. Green light activities are

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<v Speaker 4>what are income producing, revenue generating activities that only I

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<v Speaker 4>could do? Yellow light is what are income producing activities

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<v Speaker 4>that someone else could have done? Or maybe we're more

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<v Speaker 4>long term revenue generating things. And then red light is, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>this was either wasted time on my business, this isn't

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<v Speaker 4>moving the needle at all. So after we timetrack for

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<v Speaker 4>red light, yell light, green light, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 4>we realize we're not being as productive in our business

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<v Speaker 4>as we think we are, and so a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>times we get distracted with all these other things. The

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<v Speaker 4>other reason that people don't necessarily follow up like they

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<v Speaker 4>should is that's not necessarily fun. We want to do

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<v Speaker 4>things that we feel like we get some Again, that

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<v Speaker 4>dopamine release type of face is really worthwhile exactly. But

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<v Speaker 4>what we have to remember is in every single business,

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<v Speaker 4>any type of sales, right, any type of marketing, eighty

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<v Speaker 4>percent of sales come after five touches, So six or

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<v Speaker 4>more is where eighty percent of sales come from. So

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<v Speaker 4>follow up is extremely important. Now, a touch doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>to be a full twenty or thirty minute conversation. It

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<v Speaker 4>could be a social media post that they see a

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<v Speaker 4>text message that you sent, you know, seeing them out

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<v Speaker 4>in public somewhere and shaking their hand. But we have

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<v Speaker 4>to follow up because most people give up after two

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<v Speaker 4>or three times, and really we need a lot more

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<v Speaker 4>than that to get people to develop that trust with us,

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<v Speaker 4>that what they want to engage in whatever our business

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it speaks to me because that's exactly that. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole green light thing really speaks to me too. Focus

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<v Speaker 2>most of your days, but most you can on that

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<v Speaker 2>because I get busy. You know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>I say, I absolutely you know, that's the biggest trap

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<v Speaker 4>people fall into.

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<v Speaker 3>So when we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking about these habits and these daily routines, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>moving towards something, let's talk about goals and the value

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<v Speaker 2>of goals. You know, could be a weight loss goal,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be you know, I just had surgery friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to make some changes in my lifestyle. So those,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, those are goals have sort of been forced

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<v Speaker 2>that looks like, what are we moving toward? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's different, But the talk about the value of

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<v Speaker 4>I love this topic as well. Percent of people do

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<v Speaker 4>not achieve the goals that they set for themselves in

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<v Speaker 4>a given year. Ninety three percent of people don't achieve

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<v Speaker 4>their goals. I'm one of the statistics as well. But

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<v Speaker 4>the two reasons that people don't achieve their goals, the

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<v Speaker 4>first one is clarity. We're not clear enough about what

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<v Speaker 4>our goal is. So, you know, you just talked about

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<v Speaker 4>health and fitness. A lot of people are like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>to lose weight. Well, what does that mean, if you

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<v Speaker 4>losing inches? Is that losing body fat? Is it? BMI?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want a six pack?

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<v Speaker 4>What is that thing? And same with losing weight, we

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<v Speaker 4>have to it has to be very specific and measurable.

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<v Speaker 4>Too often we make goals subjective as opposed to objective.

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<v Speaker 4>A goal needs to have a very specific did it

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<v Speaker 4>happen or not? And we need to have a specific date,

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<v Speaker 4>because a goal without a date is just a dream.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the first step of this. The second reason

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<v Speaker 4>we don't achieve our goals is we just don't want

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<v Speaker 4>it bad enough. We set arbitrary goal that we think

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<v Speaker 4>we're supposed to set, or this is what I should

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<v Speaker 4>want next, but we don't tie it to something we

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<v Speaker 4>want really, really badly. And so the way that we

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<v Speaker 4>come up with the things that we want is, as

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<v Speaker 4>I coach on a north star, that north star is

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<v Speaker 4>that ideal version of us. I heard a quote one

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<v Speaker 4>time that the definition of hell is meeting the person

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<v Speaker 4>that you might have become, and that really resonated for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, heck with that, Let's figure out who that

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<v Speaker 4>person is. Let's think about what do they look like,

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<v Speaker 4>what do they feel like, what are their relationships like,

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<v Speaker 4>And then reverse engineer it and think about some big

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<v Speaker 4>milestones that you need to do to get to that place,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you have a starting point and those are

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<v Speaker 4>your initial goals. And so what happens is when we

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<v Speaker 4>wake up every day and think about our habits and

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<v Speaker 4>the calendar appointments we have, we don't take action, not

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<v Speaker 4>because we're not capable, it's because we're not willing. We

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<v Speaker 4>have to think about it in two categories, capable and willing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think about that when I hire employoyees. We

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<v Speaker 4>that within ourselves. Most of us are capable of what

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<v Speaker 4>we want to do. We're just not willing. And the

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<v Speaker 4>willingness comes from it has to be something that you want,

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<v Speaker 4>that you want really badly, and the good news is

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<v Speaker 4>we get to choose it. So our goals almost turns

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<v Speaker 4>into like this this tough conversation, or they become a

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<v Speaker 4>dirty word, when really it's about set a goal that

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<v Speaker 4>you want and a lot of times and this is

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<v Speaker 4>the last thing I'll say here, we think it has

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<v Speaker 4>or this this helping people think. Almost everybody that I

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<v Speaker 4>why is, or even small business owners is I want

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<v Speaker 4>to help people. That's awesome. But whenever on a day

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<v Speaker 4>to day basis, when you get frustrated, when you get stuck,

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<v Speaker 4>whenever you just don't feel like it helping people isn't

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<v Speaker 4>probably enough of a burning desire to go out and

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<v Speaker 4>take action and do the things we need to do.

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<v Speaker 4>So sometimes it can be a tangible object. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 4>take your family on vacation. It can be hey, I

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<v Speaker 4>want to retire my spouse or pay my parents' house off. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>but some of the most effective little sprints, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen people do, are because someone wanted a nice

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<v Speaker 4>about it is you have to get those things out

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<v Speaker 4>of abundance, and the way that you get that abundance

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<v Speaker 4>is by going and doing more work. So if you've

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<v Speaker 4>because you really want that thing. Sure, and the business

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<v Speaker 4>that you're doing, the overarching why is to help people. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>then it's okay to have something that you want to

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<v Speaker 4>chase because it gets you to take action and that

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<v Speaker 4>action is in turn helping people. So sometimes we just

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<v Speaker 4>have to re engineer it in our mind that those

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<v Speaker 4>really big, you know, pretty sounding things that we're trying

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<v Speaker 4>to achieve, and that's great, it's not that we're disingenuous.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, we also have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Have something on a day to day basis to get

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<v Speaker 4>us to go do the things we need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or you could be like me and go buy

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<v Speaker 2>a new Ram fifteen hundred and then go.

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<v Speaker 3>What you motivate you you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, that's how I've been to is like Okay, well

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go get this thing, and now I have.

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<v Speaker 3>To do the work. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>As you probably know, I've been in the mortgage space

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<v Speaker 2>for forty years, so I'm not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>But but but there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are a lot of people who are in a position

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<v Speaker 2>now they have to shift, you know, our pivot and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in a career, and there's always this idea of don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Quit, don't quit, don't quit.

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<v Speaker 2>When do you how do you coach people or help

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<v Speaker 2>people discern when maybe it's time to make a shift,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe change industries or whatever. Do you you help people

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<v Speaker 2>on that level too?

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<v Speaker 4>I do, and and typically the things that I help

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<v Speaker 4>with this is a time for a change of company. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>is it time to you know, change the model or

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<v Speaker 4>the focus within their business. But the only way that

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<v Speaker 4>I can really talk about this is to talk from

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<v Speaker 4>my experience, because there's been different jobs, different businesses, different

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<v Speaker 4>things that I've done that I was all in and

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<v Speaker 4>I was one hundred percent focused and this is my thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And what I realized is is it turns for me

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<v Speaker 4>into a spiritual issue. Sometimes God takes us to a

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<v Speaker 4>place and wants us to go down a road because

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<v Speaker 4>he wants to equip us or he wants to bring

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<v Speaker 4>us to some place spiritually. And it wasn't that we

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<v Speaker 4>were supposed to achieve that goal. It wasn't that we

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<v Speaker 4>were supposed to get to the end of that road.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was something along the way in pursuing that

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<v Speaker 4>in that process that we needed to get from it,

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<v Speaker 4>and then it was time to pivot. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you even think about, you know, David's passion in life

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<v Speaker 4>was to build the temple, but he needed to be

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<v Speaker 4>brought to a place spiritually. God wanted him to want

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<v Speaker 4>to go build the temple, but it wasn't for him

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<v Speaker 4>to do. That was for his son to do. And

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<v Speaker 4>so there's things like that. There's a really good book

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<v Speaker 4>that I read by one of my former pastors called

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<v Speaker 4>Finding the Favor of God, because there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of books on favor, and it talked about story in there,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's always resonated with me because regardless of what

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<v Speaker 4>someone believes, whether they're a believer or not, we have

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<v Speaker 4>to understand that things happen for a reason. Sure, and

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<v Speaker 4>so sometimes we're supposed to go all in down a path,

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<v Speaker 4>we're supposed to go all in down a road, but

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<v Speaker 4>there's something else in store. There's something we have to learn.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a place that we have to get brought to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in our mindset, in our emotions, in our

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<v Speaker 4>spiritual life. And then once we've gotten that thing, it's

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<v Speaker 4>okay to pivot. And that was always the litmus test

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<v Speaker 4>for me if I know this isn't the road I'm

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to be on, then I look back, Okay, what

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<v Speaker 4>did I get from this?

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<v Speaker 3>What did I learn? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>These things may have been equipping me for this other path.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a lot of times it's the intuition or

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to pray into it or to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the Holy Spirit to for direction, you know, yes, because

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I've been on my knees where I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what I was going to do, you know, and then

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<v Speaker 2>there was a sign to do something.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's been a big part of my journey too.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, but it's always played out in what I call grace.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's a little bit different conversation than business

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<v Speaker 2>per se, but it could be anything you know in

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<v Speaker 2>business part of that because right now it's fairly scary

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<v Speaker 2>times out there, you know, for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, and I think people, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of times we get caught up in the fear and

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<v Speaker 4>what's not working for us, that we missed the opportunities.

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<v Speaker 4>Right we're on our knees, we're begging and pleading for

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<v Speaker 4>a certain thing to happen and we don't hear anything,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's because that's not the thing. We need to

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<v Speaker 4>be looking elsewhere. Or sometimes we keep praying for the

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<v Speaker 4>same thing over and over and we've already been given

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<v Speaker 4>the answer, right, but we didn't hear it, we weren't

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<v Speaker 4>listening it, we didn't like that answer. And so those

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<v Speaker 4>are from a discerning standpoint that you're talking about. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's massively important that we go back and have

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<v Speaker 4>that self awareness and realize that in every difficult market

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<v Speaker 4>and every challenging time in our life and everything that happens,

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<v Speaker 4>there's an opportunity there. There's an opportunity to grow and learn.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's also very tangible opportunities in the mortgage in

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<v Speaker 4>real estate market. Yes, it's difficult, but there are so

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<v Speaker 4>many massive opportunities out there right now for people to

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<v Speaker 4>create wealth with real estate. In our text community, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if the text went out or if we

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<v Speaker 4>scheduled it for later this week, we have a text

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<v Speaker 4>going out that shows, according to the Federal Reserve, homeowners

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<v Speaker 4>have forty times the net worth on average to a renter. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the challenge and problem that most people have in

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<v Speaker 4>their lives is the financial side of things, Well, we

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<v Speaker 4>can go solve that problem for people. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 4>other types of opportunities even with higher interest rates. Well, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>mortgage rates are higher than they have been over the

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<v Speaker 4>last few years, but not historically. But consumer interest rates

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<v Speaker 4>have massively outpaced mortgage interest rates, and people are sitting

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<v Speaker 4>on the most equity on average at any time in history. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>you could lower someone's monthly out go by fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 4>one thousand dollars a month by consolidate some of that

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<v Speaker 4>consumer debt. Sure, yes, you're refinancing your mortgage to a

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<v Speaker 4>high rate, but you're saving money on a monthly basis

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<v Speaker 4>that you can then throw back at your mortgage and

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<v Speaker 4>pay them off a lot faster. There's lots of opportunities,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's in those times of desperation, those

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<v Speaker 4>times of survival mode, we really have to try to

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<v Speaker 4>scope out as much as possible and say, Okay, what

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<v Speaker 4>is it I'm supposed to learn here, or where's the

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity that I can really go make something of the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>We've only got about a minute and a half, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's wrap this up with one or two pieces of

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<v Speaker 2>advice you give small business owners in twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>that may help them achieve their goals or get out

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<v Speaker 2>of their own way if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, two quick things.

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<v Speaker 4>One, the gap between where you are and where you

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<v Speaker 4>want to be is nothing more than a decision. And

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<v Speaker 4>I heard a quote by Tony Robbins one time that said,

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<v Speaker 4>you've not truly made a decision unless it creates new action.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you have a different place you want to

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<v Speaker 4>be in your life, your business, it starts with the decision.

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<v Speaker 4>And as soon as you make the decision, you have

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<v Speaker 4>to go take action. And the second thing I would

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<v Speaker 4>say is that success is about consistent and persistent effort

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<v Speaker 4>over time. We know what it means to be consistent,

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<v Speaker 4>but staying persistent is being consistent whether you get results

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<v Speaker 4>or not. Sometimes we stay consistent but it doesn't work

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<v Speaker 4>out and we stop, or we get results and stop.

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<v Speaker 4>But we have to stay persistent over time. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>really what's going to move the needle for people is

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<v Speaker 4>we give up right the book three Feet from Gold,

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<v Speaker 4>six Feet from Gold, whatever the title of the book is,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't give up, and most people give up right

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<v Speaker 4>before their breakthrough.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. I love it, really enjoyed this conversation. Phil.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I even dreamed about it last night. You know, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care what you say. This is fantastic, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. Just I appreciate you, Mark. This has

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<v Speaker 3>been a lot of fun having this Coverea.

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<v Speaker 2>We could keep talking for several hours, but I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to wrap this up. And I appreciate it again and

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<v Speaker 2>you being on and we'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been Mortgage Talk with Mark Hairston. Mark is

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<v Speaker 1>a mortgage advocate with Texas Mortgage Source LLC, offering personalized

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<v Speaker 1>mortgage solutions, fast customized quotes, great rates, and service with integrity.

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<v Speaker 1>Contact Mark at Markhirston dot com. Mark Hairston dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>You can call our text Mark at five one two

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<v Speaker 1>seven eight nine sixty nine sixty seven. That's five one

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<v Speaker 1>two seven eight nine sixty nine sixty seven and come

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<v Speaker 1>back next week for more mortgage talk
