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Speaker 2: guest today Michael Parsilli, Mike Parsilli, Mjvictims dot com. I
Speaker 2: met Mike about probably about thirteen years ago, twelve or
Speaker 2: thirteen years ago, man, and he has been on at
Speaker 2: least a couple of times a year since. Incredible content.
Speaker 2: Always the guys we go to expert on Michael Jackson
Speaker 2: and all these kind of cases, an advocate for children
Speaker 2: and survivors and stuff to it. Just pours his heart
Speaker 2: out into his work and a great guest and a
Speaker 2: great friend. Michael PARSIALI are you.
Speaker 1: There, Hied, Yes, I am hey.
Speaker 2: Great to have you back, man. Sure. Remind the audience,
Speaker 2: remind who is Michael Parzilli.
Speaker 1: Well, long, long time ago, Well, you know, right during
Speaker 1: the prehistoric ages. I started a web page at Facebook
Speaker 1: page gold Wade Robson Supporters, because Wade Rosson has come
Speaker 1: forward it made some claims about abuse and he was
Speaker 1: just getting lambasted by everybody and no one believed them.
Speaker 1: And that story resonated with me because I am also
Speaker 1: a CSA survivor, and I said, you know what, I
Speaker 1: want to do something that's going to support these accusers
Speaker 1: before they get their day and try or if they
Speaker 1: ever do and I started that page and then it's
Speaker 1: sort of Boston up to different social media networks, and
Speaker 1: I've been doing it ever since, and it's been a
Speaker 1: very strange ride, to say the least.
Speaker 2: You know what, I was just thinking, you seem to
Speaker 2: be like a lone ranger. You're out there fighting a
Speaker 2: good fight. Are Do you have any allies out there?
Speaker 2: Then when you're because the Michael Jackson side of things,
Speaker 2: the brainwashed devoted fans are so organized. Yeah, they're so
Speaker 2: organized that they love each other. They're just so coordinated.
Speaker 2: What about Mike Parsy, Andy, do you have an army
Speaker 2: behind you? I don't think you can promote or recommend.
Speaker 1: Sure, Well, there's a couple of things. First of all,
Speaker 1: there's a new channel out there. I highly recommend. It's
Speaker 1: called Surviving Michael Jackson. It's also on YouTube, and it's
Speaker 1: brand new and there's content I'm sure that people would
Speaker 1: really like to see. The other person is a woman
Speaker 1: by the name she goes by Roxanne Roxanne, and she
Speaker 1: actually just did a protest up in Canada when the
Speaker 1: movie came out. She was outside one of the theaters
Speaker 1: and doing parts. But she also has a great deal
Speaker 1: of content she's been around I want to say, five
Speaker 1: or six years somewhere around there. And then if you
Speaker 1: go to the reddit is a Leaving Neverland reddit that
Speaker 1: I don't run, but I highly recommend. They've used some
Speaker 1: of my work and they've also post all the time
Speaker 1: and so people can get like the latest in a
Speaker 1: written form with them as well and et cetera. So
Speaker 1: there are definitely more more than you know when I
Speaker 1: first started. So at least there's some other people coming
Speaker 1: forward and trying to support these individuals.
Speaker 2: You hook me up at that fellow Z who was
Speaker 2: in the air. He had really some good information.
Speaker 1: Yes, Z is still. He's usually will show up on
Speaker 1: he has his own little channel, but he also shows
Speaker 1: up on Roxanne Roxanne a lot of times. He'll be
Speaker 1: a guest and they'll they'll have like a panel type
Speaker 1: situation going on. So he's another one. And then there's
Speaker 1: one that is kind of unique. His Matt's m A
Speaker 1: T t FTR. Now, he was in originally the Leaving
Speaker 1: Neverland film Bashing Bashing Wade Robson, but he since has
Speaker 1: had a you know, a sort of you know, come
Speaker 1: to Jesus moment where he realized, wait a second, this
Speaker 1: is just what was I thinking, And he's now supports
Speaker 1: the victims, so a total turnaround, which is kind of unique.
Speaker 1: So there are definitely people out there that you know,
Speaker 1: are supporting the the the ec users of Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: So so, Micha, let me ask you a question. We
Speaker 2: we laugh about the supporters of Michael Jackson fans. What
Speaker 2: do you make of them? Are they gullible or do
Speaker 2: you think that they're evil? That they know and they
Speaker 2: they what do you make of it? You know?
Speaker 1: What I can tell is a lot of them are
Speaker 1: just disenfranchised people that have found a community. And that
Speaker 1: community is what's really strange from what I can hear
Speaker 1: from people who got out of that community and went
Speaker 1: back into whatever the story is is there. It's run
Speaker 1: very cultish that you if you say the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: you will get you know, sort of all of them
Speaker 1: will jump on you, and you better, you know, denounce
Speaker 1: what you just said, because you'll be shunned by the community.
Speaker 1: So they're very very like that, and I think they
Speaker 1: they because a lot of their their belief system not
Speaker 1: even really idea. He's more of a belief system of
Speaker 1: what Michael Jackson, the good things that Michael Jackson was
Speaker 1: trying to promote, you know, about taking care of the
Speaker 1: planet and you know, making sure that you know, you
Speaker 1: don't have you know, starving children and the things that
Speaker 1: he was he was putting out there they really believed in.
Speaker 1: The problem was they don't realize he was doing that
Speaker 1: as a smoke screen for his crimes. So and then
Speaker 1: the other part of people that there's a huge r
Speaker 1: there's a public relations bought farm campaign. I am sure
Speaker 1: that it's out there because they use a lot of
Speaker 1: the same talking points and it's like, I look at
Speaker 1: these accounts that just pop up after like you know,
Speaker 1: they've only been around like three weeks, simball saying the
Speaker 1: same thing. So there's no doubt that they have, you know,
Speaker 1: a public relations team because a lot of people realize
Speaker 1: a big part of public relations is social media. Now
Speaker 1: that was not the case, but now you have to.
Speaker 1: So if they want to resurrect Michael Jackson, they're going
Speaker 1: to have to also use social media to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they got there. It started really around the
Speaker 2: time of who was that guy of Johnny Depp when
Speaker 2: he had his lawsuit and who was that guy Andrew Tate?
Speaker 2: They both Yeah, they had it down to a science
Speaker 2: with those tiktoks and those reels and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you know. So, and then we were just talking off
Speaker 2: there about how with this thing came out about how
Speaker 2: they're saying now that Michael Jackson was saving children from
Speaker 2: Epstein's Island. He was, but I think also too, he
Speaker 2: was saving children from drugs, and he was taking all
Speaker 2: the drugs himself so that the kids would get their
Speaker 2: hands on it.
Speaker 1: Well, when we get further in there is allegations about
Speaker 1: drugs that is no, he wasn't the only one taking them.
Speaker 1: We'll put it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's his name? When I had Vince and
Speaker 2: FM men on the show, he was talking about how
Speaker 2: he got those Casher kids addicted to drugs and.
Speaker 1: All of them.
Speaker 2: And you don't hear that, you know, you don't hear
Speaker 2: people talking about that. And you want if you got
Speaker 2: a young kid on those freaking opiates, man, they it's
Speaker 2: never the same. You're just never the same. And even
Speaker 2: if you kick it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I agree with you, Ed, And that's
Speaker 1: a you know, that's a that's part of the destruction.
Speaker 1: They just think it's you know, the use is one
Speaker 1: part but you're right, that's also part of the you know,
Speaker 1: the total destruction of the of these children.
Speaker 2: So let's get into your stuff. You send me some notes,
Speaker 2: and you know, I know, you always gotta focus and
Speaker 2: you as you your thing. That's why it's always said
Speaker 2: good because you're prepared. You know you're prepared, unlike me.
Speaker 2: I'm reading your notes for the first time now. But
Speaker 2: the first thing you wanted to talk about was this
Speaker 2: this called a biopic. Oh biopic. Okay, I'm making a
Speaker 2: joke like I don't know how to read because this
Speaker 2: person I'm reading it. But so the bio pick, the
Speaker 2: movie that just came out to Michael Jackson movie, what
Speaker 2: do you make of that?
Speaker 1: It's if you want to see it's literally if you
Speaker 1: want to listen to a greatest Hits type album and
Speaker 1: a visual type atmosphere. That's essentially what it was. And
Speaker 1: the peoplen't realize there's so much backstory to that biopick.
Speaker 1: And the reality is is that that biopick originally because
Speaker 1: they knew they were going to get backlash, and you
Speaker 1: have Antoine Fuqua and you have Lions Kate backing it,
Speaker 1: and you have all these somewhat notable actors that are
Speaker 1: going to be starring in it that how do you
Speaker 1: really glorify somebody who has all these allegations against them.
Speaker 1: So originally they were going to address these allegations, and
Speaker 1: the opening scene, if I am correct on this, I
Speaker 1: think I am was supposed to be Attorney John Branca,
Speaker 1: who is now the head of the estate. He was
Speaker 1: going to be featured by one of the only real
Speaker 1: known actors, Miles Teller, to come up and show how
Speaker 1: you were saving Michael Jackson from these puffle allegations and
Speaker 1: what they were trying to do to protect him, and
Speaker 1: he was going to get a central role in that.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately the estate and I don't know if this
Speaker 1: was planned, but the estate somehow I had amnesia and
Speaker 1: didn't realize they weren't supposed to portray Jordan Chandler in
Speaker 1: any type of film or documentary or anything. That was
Speaker 1: part of the agreement. They were both supposed to stay silent.
Speaker 1: Jordan Chandler has done that, but they said, oh well,
Speaker 1: now we have to scrap the whole all that part
Speaker 1: of the movie. My firstonal opinion is is I think
Speaker 1: that it was John Bronco was really it was better
Speaker 1: to ask for forgiveness that maybe they can kind of
Speaker 1: get that through and if they didn't, then you know,
Speaker 1: they can always just cut that part out. Now becomes
Speaker 1: the greatest Hits movie and everyone's going to be happy.
Speaker 1: And it looks like they were trying to tell part
Speaker 1: of the story but all they got shut down. That's
Speaker 1: what I personally believe, because that's that's.
Speaker 2: Brilliant, if that's if that's correct, that that would be
Speaker 2: a brilliant strategy. You know, well, we want, we wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about it, but we couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we couldn't. Oh I'm sorry, and it's you know it.
Speaker 1: And so that part of the movie was taken out.
Speaker 1: They're now saying, well, you know, if Michael Jackson movie
Speaker 1: does good enough, does good enough, we're going to have
Speaker 1: a part two that's going to resurrect a lot of
Speaker 1: the other parts that we weren't supposed to talk about.
Speaker 1: But the reality is is they barely pulled off what
Speaker 1: the the aesthetic of Michael Jackson. So when you're getting
Speaker 1: to part two, you're now going to have to deal
Speaker 1: with the plastic surgery. You're now going to have to
Speaker 1: deal with the fact that his Vidal igo you know,
Speaker 1: he keeps down a different shade and has different features
Speaker 1: and they look really bizarre, and that's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to put on a huge, major IMAX screen without people
Speaker 1: really being kind of rather disturbed by it.
Speaker 2: So what about the drugs that they're not going to
Speaker 2: talk about the drugs? It was a huge part of
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: Well no, they they Well, that's a guess. And the
Speaker 1: part too, you would have to and that's family intervened
Speaker 1: at the very end of his life, So you would
Speaker 1: think that that would definitely be a part of it.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure they'll also have to somehow come up
Speaker 1: with I know exactly what they're going to say. Well,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson had an accident on the Pepsi commercial fact
Speaker 1: got him addicted to opiates, and and poor Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: was suffering all these years with its excruciating pain, which
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that people who have been burnt have
Speaker 1: pained their whole lives. That I thought that that kind
Speaker 1: of you know, doesn't you know regionally when it happens there,
Speaker 1: but then it goes away. But who am I to
Speaker 1: say anything but the But I'm sure they would address
Speaker 1: it in that way. They minimize it, and it really
Speaker 1: wasn't hit fault. It was just useful doctors that were
Speaker 1: injecting him with things he didn't know.
Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing too, because you gotta admit, the
Speaker 2: guy had a huge career. The music in the concerts
Speaker 2: and the albums were huge, man, what you know what brilliance.
Speaker 2: But they can't put together a freaking movie about this
Speaker 2: guy's life. They can put in they can't put together
Speaker 2: like a real uh uh Academy award, stars and stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's the estate and the people around
Speaker 2: him were just such always like such a circus from
Speaker 2: beginning to end, from the from his father, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: They they because they knew they were walking on eh
Speaker 1: shows and they also knew that they were hiding something
Speaker 1: from the people who were, you know, essentially funding it.
Speaker 1: And that was the fact that they had paid other
Speaker 1: settlements secretly. And this was going on during the negotiations
Speaker 1: for the movie, and they even went back We'll get
Speaker 1: into that later, but this they went back to try
Speaker 1: to patch that up by the way, while it was
Speaker 1: it was going on, but it's they so they couldn't
Speaker 1: really give what they wanted to give because they knew
Speaker 1: they were dealing with a whole bunch of things that
Speaker 1: we're not going to fly. And you know, but I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I saw some of the trailers. I
Speaker 1: wasn't personally wasn't that impressed. I thought it looked very
Speaker 1: TV movie of the week. I thought it it didn't
Speaker 1: look really that impressive. I think what carried that movie
Speaker 1: and why it's so it's, you know, making money, is
Speaker 1: the fact that it was all of its hits and
Speaker 1: people are very nostalgic, and well, the music comes on
Speaker 1: and it brings back a feeling and everything else gets forgotten,
Speaker 1: which is I think they would be smart to stop
Speaker 1: at one. That's what I would say. You did it,
Speaker 1: he made money off of it. I think he might
Speaker 1: not want to push the envelope here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if they make money, they'll do it all
Speaker 2: over sure. And know what about Paris Jackson, she made
Speaker 2: some statements about this, seeming that she wasn't supporting what's
Speaker 2: going on with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Paris Jackson came out because I get his name,
Speaker 1: Dominic Domingo, I forget his name, but he's playing Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1: He made a statement that Paris Jackson, you know was,
Speaker 1: you know, was taking part of helping with the movie
Speaker 1: script and she approved, and Paris Jackson heard that and
Speaker 1: she says, well, wait a second. No, she goes, I
Speaker 1: put my notes in the first draft of the script.
Speaker 1: You guys ignored them and threw them out, and she goes,
Speaker 1: so I have nothing to do with the movie, and
Speaker 1: she says, you know, she goes, I just think it's
Speaker 1: more important if, you know, instead of monetary game, I
Speaker 1: think it's more important to tell the truth. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that was going on right during that statement
Speaker 1: that he had made Coleman Domingo, that's his name, Coleman Domingo,
Speaker 1: it was the fact that it was being released that
Speaker 1: the Cassio family had received the settlements. And she was
Speaker 1: very very close to the Castile family. They grew up
Speaker 1: essentially together, and she was shocked that that was hidden
Speaker 1: from the people who were the heirs of the estate.
Speaker 1: Because the reality is is the people running that state
Speaker 1: don't have to really tell them anything. They can kind
Speaker 1: of just run it and you know, oh, well, we're
Speaker 1: running it. We do as we please. But that sort
Speaker 1: of thing you would think they would tell them about,
Speaker 1: and they didn't actually funnel the many money through LLCs
Speaker 1: and did it as a life rights purchase. So what
Speaker 1: happened was was that she had no idea that that
Speaker 1: was going on, and I think she believes I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Casio settlements that since I've interviewed Vincent, if I'm.
Speaker 1: In, what was that eving I'm sorry, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I interviewed Vincent, I'm in, and I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: this settlement with the Casios came after my interview with him.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it was before. The first settlement was
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, so that was that was done,
Speaker 1: and then there was we'll go, like I said, when
Speaker 1: we get into the Castos, I'll tell we'll discuss like
Speaker 1: the fact that the state went back to them, but
Speaker 1: but that that was never told to any of the
Speaker 1: children of Michael Jackson. Then hey, look, we're going to
Speaker 1: be paying off other accusers because she wasn't They weren't
Speaker 1: the only ones. There was another female accuser that's unknown
Speaker 1: that they also It was that they paid so and
Speaker 1: because she was close to the Casio family, it was
Speaker 1: reported that she reached out to the family and especially
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to Marie Nicole because Paris Jackson was
Speaker 1: a she was assaulted, which I think she was fourteen
Speaker 1: by a stranger, and so she kind of gets it,
Speaker 1: she understands, and I think she was shocked that this
Speaker 1: family that she knew actually had made allegations and that
Speaker 1: one was a female. So I think that really talked
Speaker 1: to her. She's like, I don't want to have anything
Speaker 1: to do with this, you know, and the other.
Speaker 2: Tell me off that they stayed they stayed at with
Speaker 2: the Cassios air of the nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so after nine to eleven, Michael Jackson I think
Speaker 1: didn't want to go anywhere, so he ended up staying
Speaker 1: in New Jersey with the Cassio family for three months,
Speaker 1: and they essentially treated him, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: like family, and they would watch his children. Not even
Speaker 1: even before this, they would watch his children, but they were,
Speaker 1: you know, the playmates for the for both you know,
Speaker 1: Paris and I think you know Blanket and Prince number one.
Speaker 1: They would they would do this. And but even before then,
Speaker 1: Frank Cassio was so entwined with Michael Jackson. He knew
Speaker 1: him for so long and was with him all the
Speaker 1: way up into his twenties that and he was also
Speaker 1: like a caretaker for her at times as well, so
Speaker 1: she knew the family and it was probably one of
Speaker 1: the you know, one of the only relationships outside of
Speaker 1: you know, staff that those children had that were other children,
Speaker 1: you know, that was consistent in their lives.
Speaker 2: So what what you hear from Paris? What's going on
Speaker 2: with Blanket and Prince?
Speaker 1: Well, I think Blanket renamed himself to beat either Beg
Speaker 1: either b G or Biggie b I G I S.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you pronounced it, but he renamed
Speaker 1: himself after that, and then Prince. So they are very
Speaker 1: much on the you know, Prince the first is very
Speaker 1: much big on Michael Jackson's charities. They'll do go out
Speaker 1: and do charitable work and he'll be like a front
Speaker 1: man for that and then BEG or Biki or whatever
Speaker 1: it is he does. He's very quiet, he stays to himself.
Speaker 1: He does from correct. He does like a podcast on
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gaming or comics or whatever.
Speaker 1: But so they're they're not the youngest child really isn't
Speaker 1: in the spotlight. The oldest you.
Speaker 2: Are got you got you okay, So then that that
Speaker 2: pretty much ties up the whole story about the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie, Like I said, it's they just they
Speaker 1: basically just broke a profit. Now, so people don't realize
Speaker 1: the movie cost. It was one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars in production, cost another one hundred million in in
Speaker 1: in promotion, and people think, oh, well, you know, they
Speaker 1: now have made a profit, and they don't realize that
Speaker 1: only fifty usually fifty to sixty percent of that goes
Speaker 1: to the investors. The rest of it goes to the theaters.
Speaker 1: So it's not like, oh, gee, we no, you have
Speaker 1: to hit a threshold. So their threshold was about five
Speaker 1: hundred million before they started seeing a profit and they're
Speaker 1: now into that feel. But it's going to be shown
Speaker 1: on streaming, it's going to be I'm sure there's tons
Speaker 1: of merchandise, so they definitely are going to be making
Speaker 1: a good amount of money with I don't think they're
Speaker 1: going to make the billion that they said they were
Speaker 1: going to make, but I think they'll make, you know,
Speaker 1: a fairly hefty profit off of it.
Speaker 2: Incredible, man, incredible anyway, the Michael Jackson biopic. So then
Speaker 2: the next thing you mentioned, he was the ridiculous conspiracy
Speaker 2: theories what's that.
Speaker 1: Well, we already touched on one, which was the They
Speaker 1: had put out an AI video which is obviously AI
Speaker 1: of mccullay culkin talking about how Michael Jackson based him
Speaker 1: from that evil island when he was a child and
Speaker 1: he wouldn't go, not realize he met. The island wasn't
Speaker 1: purchased until nineteen ninety eight, which would have made mcully
Speaker 1: culken eighteen. And then it probably wasn't really up and
Speaker 1: running to the ear with two thousands once he had
Speaker 1: to do construction on all of this. But yeah, Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson somehow was come out scurrying children away from going
Speaker 1: to the Epstein Island, which is on its face ridiculous
Speaker 1: for anyone that does like a five minute Google search,
Speaker 1: but they have put it out and now they put
Speaker 1: out another video about how Michael Jackson knew about Epstein
Speaker 1: and he was trying to save these elites from preying
Speaker 1: on children, that he was the good guy and he
Speaker 1: was trying to prevent all these like elitists from getting
Speaker 1: a hold of children. And the other theory is is
Speaker 1: that Michael Jackson somehow was killed by evil Jewish, evil
Speaker 1: Jewish cabal of some sort that wanted to take him down.
Speaker 1: So if they were using these awful things to do
Speaker 1: to kill him, and it's just all of it is.
Speaker 1: It's what people need to realize is that all these
Speaker 1: what I call grifters, they all have a brand, and
Speaker 1: that brand caters to a certain part of the populace
Speaker 1: and a certain part of thinking. So you have people
Speaker 1: that you know, want to believe in Q conspiracies and
Speaker 1: they want to believe in that, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: they still believe that Trump's a great guy. That they
Speaker 1: will form it, formulate a narrative that's going to cater
Speaker 1: to them. And then you have people that want to
Speaker 1: believe that, you know, Michael Jackson was protecting people from
Speaker 1: Epstein Island and that they're really good people and they're
Speaker 1: trying to save the children. So they'll gear it to
Speaker 1: those people. They have all these different factions, but the
Speaker 1: one thread is that if you post a positive, glowing
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, you know, video or thread or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, it's going to get eyes on that particular
Speaker 1: threat because there's so many people that want to believe that,
Speaker 1: and he has so many fans and it's a built
Speaker 1: in audience. You don't lose. By doing that, you will
Speaker 1: you will get people that will follow you from me
Speaker 1: at eternity because of that fact.
Speaker 2: And Okay, but I can guarantee you if I were
Speaker 2: to put out a Michael Jackson positive Michael Jackson show,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't I wouldn't get any traffic on it. So
Speaker 2: who's ever made that Macaulay Culkin video? Uh? Yeah, has
Speaker 2: some juice behind them, they have a PR agency behind them.
Speaker 2: But it can't be cheap to do that. Can you
Speaker 2: make it a think?
Speaker 1: I think yeah, AI is really easy to use because
Speaker 1: you can prompt it and they're okay, I want Macaulay
Speaker 1: Culkin to say this at this time, or take a
Speaker 1: video and then manipulate it to make it sound like
Speaker 1: he's saying something. But you're right. The part that I
Speaker 1: agree with is that a lot of this sort of
Speaker 1: engagement is is false. Is it's fake. It's people just
Speaker 1: you know, bots and things like that that are you know,
Speaker 1: because again, I wat times I'll spend I'll look at
Speaker 1: a post and say none of this makes sense. I'll
Speaker 1: look at the people liking it. I'll go and look
Speaker 1: at their profiles and the profiles are like brand new
Speaker 1: or they you know have maybe you know, two or
Speaker 1: three posts in their whole you know, ex Twitter career.
Speaker 1: So it's but there is money in the sense of
Speaker 1: that you're going to get eyes onto your particular brand.
Speaker 1: And then if you have a YouTube channel, are a
Speaker 1: you know, another way of parlaying that into dollars, You'll
Speaker 1: do that and are you just might get enough subscriber
Speaker 1: to whatever you want to subscribe to. It's but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of definitely bizarro wacko conspiracy figureies.
Speaker 2: But but in reality there is We see in the
Speaker 2: Epstein files as pictures of Michael Jackson next to Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: Now you would think that would be like a you know,
Speaker 2: some kind of a nail in some kind of a
Speaker 2: coffin in some kind of a cemetery. You know, what
Speaker 2: do you because we do know? Okay, I talked to
Speaker 2: Vincent FM man. He said Cassio had Epstein's phone number
Speaker 2: in his cell phone. We know Chris Tucker, there's a
Speaker 2: there's the nexus stay between Chris Tucker, Epstein and Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson and Ron Burkele. I think Ron Burkele today owns
Speaker 2: a Netherland right.
Speaker 1: Guess yes, he I's got any millions expense on it.
Speaker 2: But yes, right, so, and he's an Epstein buddy too,
Speaker 2: he's a mix up with and there's that picture with
Speaker 2: Epstein and Jackson set up. We noticed there's many connections
Speaker 2: that are not positive one of these rescuing people, but
Speaker 2: that there's other type of connections there. So what do
Speaker 2: you make of the connection between Epstein and Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I don't, you know. My personal belief what they say
Speaker 1: is is that Michael Jackson was looking at a property
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach and that property was owned by Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 1: So he was going over there to look at that property.
Speaker 1: And he also at that time I think there was
Speaker 1: one of Epstein's victims that somehow wanted to end up
Speaker 1: talking to Michael Jackson. I mean, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just the problem with Michael Jackson, he's such a narcissist.
Speaker 1: I just don't see him sharing the spotlight. I don't
Speaker 1: see him buddying up to other predators that he knows
Speaker 1: of predators because he has his own sort of thing
Speaker 1: going and you know, he doesn't want and I also
Speaker 1: think that he looks at them like, oh, they're the
Speaker 1: bad one. I'm the good one. I don't harm these children.
Speaker 1: I don't really force them to do anything. I'm the
Speaker 1: one that really loves I'm not lustful after them. I
Speaker 1: love them and I'm giving them, you know, all this wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's just the w yes, so he and that's why
Speaker 1: I think he also probably wasn't into like child pornography.
Speaker 1: He was into nature magazines and he did have Nature
Speaker 1: book in Nature books, and like Vincent Amen was mentioning
Speaker 1: one of the those naturalist videos of children running I
Speaker 1: want around and you know, naked, And he had those
Speaker 1: books that were just children like in you know outside
Speaker 1: you know, uh take pictures taken outside that were more
Speaker 1: I think, and I think I said this before. I
Speaker 1: think that for him, he wanted to be he didn't
Speaker 1: want to see anyone else abusing a child. I think
Speaker 1: he wanted to be because they were abusing a child.
Speaker 1: He wasn't abuse. He was loving a child. So to
Speaker 1: see someone else do it, that puts it in contact.
Speaker 1: So the whole thing is just so hard to grasp
Speaker 1: sometimes the way Michael Jacks, but you tryn to know
Speaker 1: what though.
Speaker 2: It strikes me too that he wanted people to know
Speaker 2: what he was doing. He was rubbing it in people's face,
Speaker 2: like that incident at the comic book store where he
Speaker 2: took the little boy into the bathroom. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, he was rubbing it in people's faces.
Speaker 2: And another thing that always stuck in my head is
Speaker 2: that when he was living with the Chandler family with
Speaker 2: the mother and he was living there in thirty days
Speaker 2: in that room. Okay it locked in the room with
Speaker 2: that little boy, but there was a thing where he
Speaker 2: would have to take a certain pill at a certain
Speaker 2: time of day, and he would turn the whole house
Speaker 2: upside down with this drama of oh, I don't want
Speaker 2: to take the bills too big, oh you know, running
Speaker 2: around and chasing him with the pill, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like he like he had to just rub
Speaker 2: it in people's faces and be the center of attention
Speaker 2: and drama queen. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like he was a narcissist.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: People say, well, he never liked you know, himself. And
Speaker 1: I say, if you don't like yourself, you're not putting
Speaker 1: up two story high, you know, pictures of yourself. You're
Speaker 1: not floating a big, huge, you know, six story statue
Speaker 1: of himself down a river to promote your new album.
Speaker 1: You're not you know, having yourself, you know, basically a
Speaker 1: painting of yourself done where you're surrounded by cheribs. I mean,
Speaker 1: and and have you had pictures of himself everywhere? And
Speaker 1: according to I forget which accuser he would say, one
Speaker 1: of the favorite Michael Jackson's favorite things to do was
Speaker 1: watch videos of himself, watch his own videos, watch his
Speaker 1: own content. And so you know, it's this idea that
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was somehow he he he played a good game.
Speaker 1: He's really good at sing. Oh look how altruistic i am.
Speaker 1: Look I'm going, I'm I'm showing. I'm walking to awesole.
Speaker 1: Make sure you have cameras and pictures. Oh look I'm
Speaker 1: doing this. Make sure there's cameras and pictures there. It
Speaker 1: was it was always the facade that Michael Jackson tried
Speaker 1: to present, portray as a sort of you know, holier
Speaker 1: than vow Messiah type, and I think that's why he
Speaker 1: has fanatical fans.
Speaker 2: You know, there's so much similar to Jimmy Saville. The
Speaker 2: same thing visiting the hospital is Jimmy'll fix it almost
Speaker 2: kind of things that seeking out wild attention, and they
Speaker 2: were talking about like Jimmy would he had to go
Speaker 2: to the hospital for his knee or something like that,
Speaker 2: but he would call all the press when they were
Speaker 2: wheeling them in.
Speaker 1: You know, oh god, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's isn't that bizarre? Like here you got
Speaker 2: this huge secret in your life, but you still you
Speaker 2: want all this attention to yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I agree. I think he was. I think
Speaker 1: he was storing the people's faces because he thought that
Speaker 1: it was And I made in one of my videos
Speaker 1: that put out a quote about Michael Jackson what he
Speaker 1: thought about child marriages, because Michael Jackson he had he
Speaker 1: went to India, but he also had an Indian type
Speaker 1: of guru that he would see that also was into
Speaker 1: child marriages. But he went to India and he said,
Speaker 1: I'm just amazed that a parent is willing to give away.
Speaker 1: You know. I think it was like they're eleven year
Speaker 1: old child to a thirty year old man and that's
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. And you know, they say we have it wrong.
Speaker 1: They say, you know, we say they have it wrong.
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, but essentially I find it really fascinating,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, most people aren't going to call
Speaker 1: child marriage fascinating. They're going to call it, you know,
Speaker 1: just repugnant. And I don't care what country it is.
Speaker 1: It's just a disgusting practice. It should have ended, you know,
Speaker 1: a thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you same thing too. Yeah, and would say that
Speaker 2: in other cultures it's no prominent. But now that's a
Speaker 2: quote or that's a video of Michael.
Speaker 1: Jess quote from nineteen seventy nine. He was turning about
Speaker 1: to turn twenty one. And there was another quote that
Speaker 1: was paired with in another article where they asked him
Speaker 1: about are you excited to becoming a man, and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: I don't really believe in manhood. I believe that you
Speaker 1: can have a seven year old adult or you could
Speaker 1: have a thirty year old child. I don't see. I
Speaker 1: think man is like a construct. I don't believe in it. Oh,
Speaker 1: if this is so, In other words, you could you
Speaker 1: could have a five year old, you know, making adult
Speaker 1: decisions and you know, to a with a thirty year
Speaker 1: old saying it isventally saying the five year old thinkes
Speaker 1: it's okay to have sex with a thirty ye old,
Speaker 1: that you'd be okay because the five year old was
Speaker 1: really the adult and thirty year old is the child.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just And that's another quote from Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: And this is way back He's he wasn't even twenty
Speaker 1: one yet he was making statements like this.
Speaker 2: What about the other brothers any or even the sisters
Speaker 2: any any kind of comments like that. Today they have
Speaker 2: any words stuff like that.
Speaker 1: No. The only thing I know is, I think we
Speaker 1: discussed this before Viatoya was talking about how Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: would keep soil divers right.
Speaker 2: But I'm somebody in their their own personal feelings that hey,
Speaker 2: this is this kind of thing is okay because Latya,
Speaker 2: you look at her life. She got hooked up with
Speaker 2: that massive can't murder a guy, you know, come on,
Speaker 2: you know, yes, something happened in that family. You know
Speaker 2: that they were exposed to something. And Joe Jackson, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because a lot of his brothers
Speaker 1: they got married really young. So they got married.
Speaker 2: Them with the same woman. Two of his brothers.
Speaker 1: At least they were they were adult women. Who knows.
Speaker 1: I know that they proposedly were hooking up with fans
Speaker 1: all the time, but I don't I don't think that
Speaker 1: was they I don't think they have that same you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think they were predators, and I think they
Speaker 1: maybe were predators in other ways, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jackson was the one where all that
Speaker 1: sort of you know, you can put together all these
Speaker 1: ingredients and then you might get you know, you're missing
Speaker 1: an ingredient in this one or that one, but all
Speaker 1: the ingredients with Michael Jackson created what he had, which
Speaker 1: was a you know, a child predator who was.
Speaker 2: Prolific on such a massive scale. Putting in an amusement
Speaker 2: park in the whole thing was such a massive This
Speaker 2: was the center of his life. It was the focus
Speaker 2: of every waking moment. Now, what about you mentioned here
Speaker 2: to the Cassio claims update, what's going on with the
Speaker 2: Casio case.
Speaker 1: Well, for anyone, I tell people go onto YouTube and
Speaker 1: look up the interview they did with sixteen Minutes Australia.
Speaker 1: It actually came out yesterday and it goes over the claims. Now,
Speaker 1: I was talking about the castos. I think we even
Speaker 1: talked about a year ago. A year plus ago. Nobody
Speaker 1: I was contacting guys. This is a major story. You
Speaker 1: need to talk about. This why is nobody talking about this?
Speaker 1: I went on I don't know, like a like a
Speaker 1: total ex Twitter rant, trying to get people to take
Speaker 1: this seriously. So now sixty minutes of Australia has finally
Speaker 1: come out, and this is what people need to understand.
Speaker 1: It's not one child in this family, it's they have
Speaker 1: five children. All five has said that they were abused
Speaker 1: by Michael Jackson. That is something that Okay, maybe one
Speaker 1: person might be you know, you know, you might have
Speaker 1: one person that might be lying. But to have a
Speaker 1: whole family conspire together. I tell people it's hard for
Speaker 1: a family to agree on what to have for dinner,
Speaker 1: but yet you can have a whole family conspire together
Speaker 1: knowing that all those five children are going to be
Speaker 1: putting their parents on a spotlight where people gonna be
Speaker 1: why didn't you let them sleep with them? Why did
Speaker 1: you do this? Why did you do that? Thinking that
Speaker 1: they don't have any friends, associates, people around them that
Speaker 1: arey' to be questioning this and asking why they have
Speaker 1: businesses that are going to be feted by this, but
Speaker 1: yet they came out for it. And the other thing
Speaker 1: that people don't realize is that believing Neverland had come out, okay,
Speaker 1: and this is in twenty nineteen. The estate saw this,
Speaker 1: so they decided to hire a private investigator. And what
Speaker 1: that private investigator's job was missus in their claim. His
Speaker 1: job his name was Wiseberg, and his job was to
Speaker 1: go out and find other potential victims and pretend that
Speaker 1: he was on their side and say, you know what, yes,
Speaker 1: I believe it. This sounds awful. We need to go
Speaker 1: to the estate. And the goal was to find these
Speaker 1: potential victims silence them for the least amount of money
Speaker 1: they possibly could because that present and they and do
Speaker 1: it without a lawyer. Soul yes, timism, then no, you
Speaker 1: don't need a lawyer. No, no, no, we have your
Speaker 1: best interest in hand. We're going to do this. And
Speaker 1: then they said when they spot well, maybe we should
Speaker 1: get a layer. They said, no, if he decides to
Speaker 1: do that, the deal's off the table. So they did
Speaker 1: that in twenty nineteen. And what other people also don't
Speaker 1: realize is that it's now the Michael Jackson biopic slash
Speaker 1: infomercial is going in the works. So we have to
Speaker 1: make sure that we don't have anyone else coming out again,
Speaker 1: because now the people are realizing that it's been payoffs.
Speaker 1: So what we have to do is we're going to
Speaker 1: go back to the Cassios after we had already the
Speaker 1: agreement's already done. Because almost done. It was six hundred
Speaker 1: and like fifty seven thousand for each child per year
Speaker 1: for five years. Also they knew that was yes, they
Speaker 1: knew that was running out. So they said, we guys,
Speaker 1: we did you wrong. This is in two thousand and
Speaker 1: two arms. But we're coming back and we want to renegotiate.
Speaker 1: So here's what we're going to do. And they stop
Speaker 1: and said, wait a second. You know what, We're getting
Speaker 1: a lawyer now. So they got a lawyer and the
Speaker 1: lawyer was smart enough to realize, we know what's going
Speaker 1: on here, and he said, we're asking for two hundred million.
Speaker 1: And the way he came up with that is he
Speaker 1: paid Jordan Chandler roughly about twenty million. This five of them.
Speaker 1: This went on for decades, So you know what we
Speaker 1: want for the all five siblings, two hundred million. That's
Speaker 1: a bargain because if you look at inflation. So that's
Speaker 1: how we came up without amounts. But the reality was
Speaker 1: and then they and then after that happened. The Jackson
Speaker 1: State decided, oh, we're going to put this out publicly.
Speaker 1: We're not going to do it, we're not gonna outright
Speaker 1: say it, but we're going to file the claim saying
Speaker 1: it's extortion. So now it's maybe on files. Now the
Speaker 1: names are going to come out. They're going to out
Speaker 1: the Cassios, and then that mean all the fandom, all
Speaker 1: the crazy fanatics are going to go after them and
Speaker 1: attack them. And now they can make this claim of oh,
Speaker 1: they're only doing this for money, when they were the
Speaker 1: ones that approached them, gave them the money, told them
Speaker 1: they believed in the story, and they went back to
Speaker 1: them in twenty twenty four to do the exactly same thing,
Speaker 1: and they just wiped up and got a lawyer. What
Speaker 1: is unreal to me? And then when you try to
Speaker 1: bring it up to people, they say, oh, they're all
Speaker 1: just lying. Look at them, they're just it's like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: And I said this idea that And the reality is
Speaker 1: is now that they're came forward because they were threatened.
Speaker 1: Now the estates say we're going to take all that
Speaker 1: money we gave you back, we want we're going to
Speaker 1: see you for it back so it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: this idea that they're doing this for money when they
Speaker 1: already had money and they had money in the hand,
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't give you more money and I said, no,
Speaker 1: we don't want that because we know what you do
Speaker 1: with the biopic. Now they're being looked at as money grubbing,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know the fraudsters that are looking
Speaker 1: to defraud the estate, and nobody knows the story and
Speaker 1: the other thing that came out. I'll give you some
Speaker 1: of the highlights of what happened, and some of it's disturbing.
Speaker 1: One of the highlights was was that Michael Jackson his
Speaker 1: name was Dominic Cassio, and I put up pictures of
Speaker 1: him all over the X because he is one picture
Speaker 1: of him where he is sitting in Michael Jackson's lap
Speaker 1: and we were talking about conspiracy theories. What the MJ
Speaker 1: fans did is they digitally removed him and so it
Speaker 1: looks like he's holding nothing, and it's like he's holding
Speaker 1: a baby, but nobody's there. He's holding a child, but
Speaker 1: nobody's in his arms. And they said, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: this is the real picture. Even though they digitally removed him,
Speaker 1: there's how bad they are, and the Cassio has provided
Speaker 1: the picture. But anyways, they Michael Jackson said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want you to know how much you should trust me,
Speaker 1: and I want you to know how much I love you.
Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to drink
Speaker 1: your urine. So that's what Michael Jackson, you want to
Speaker 1: all bad this gout. That's one of the things that
Speaker 1: is claimed by Dominic Cassio. The other thing that was
Speaker 1: claimed by Dominic Casio was that Michael Jackson when he
Speaker 1: was arrested in two thousand and three, when had the
Speaker 1: handcuffs on him, he said the cops brutalized him in
Speaker 1: the jail with the cameras everywhere, with his news was
Speaker 1: all over the world. They're just going to abuse him
Speaker 1: in the jail and all this is going on.
Speaker 2: Well. He also said that they kept him in a toilet.
Speaker 2: He said thet in it.
Speaker 1: He thought they were in a bathroom, and he said
Speaker 1: on the walls, there's nothing but do doo this do
Speaker 1: do people believe this? They believe it. But anyways, he
Speaker 1: wasn't dominant, he was an adult. Now he instruct Dominic
Speaker 1: to hit him in the arm. And to create a
Speaker 1: bruise on his arm. So when he went out with
Speaker 1: Ed Bradley, that Bradley talked about this, they would have
Speaker 1: pictures of him being abused in the jail. He see, well,
Speaker 1: he said, the handcuffs were put on extremely, extremely tight.
Speaker 1: But when he's walking in the jail, he's literally you
Speaker 1: can see him like I'm pushing his arms out in
Speaker 1: the back to show his handcuffs. And the hackcuffs are
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. There's no just do it whatsoever. So it's
Speaker 1: that was put out. And then he found out about
Speaker 1: how Marie Nicole Michael Jackson abbused her and he wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, he had her undress and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff and I'm not going to get too graphic about that.
Speaker 1: And then how he wanted her she was sixteen, I
Speaker 1: think she said, and he wanted her to do something
Speaker 1: with her. He abused her many times, but she finally
Speaker 1: said at sixteen, she says, no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: I refuse. I'm not going to be doing anything with you.
Speaker 1: And then how he acbused another one of the one
Speaker 1: of the Cassios when he was seven years old, lying
Speaker 1: on a bed, and how he would abuse him continually,
Speaker 1: and at one point he woke up and he saw Michael.
Speaker 1: He was sleeping in the same bed, and he saw
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson sobbing and like you know, probably Messcara running
Speaker 1: down his face, going you don't love me, you love me?
Speaker 1: And he goes and he goes. He stalked about how
Speaker 1: frightened he was because I was a little boy. I
Speaker 1: was ten years old and I'm waking up to this
Speaker 1: guy and he looks he looks like a monster. And
Speaker 1: there's so many claims going on. But if you watch
Speaker 1: that interview and if you come out and say, gee,
Speaker 1: they're really just acting, you have to have your head examined,
Speaker 1: because no family is going to put themselves through this.
Speaker 2: What do you make though, because I get a lot
Speaker 2: of grief over Amen and Cassio because there were co
Speaker 2: defendants and the abuse allegations in Santa Santa Maria. So
Speaker 2: so what do you what do you make of their
Speaker 2: culpability and all this?
Speaker 1: Well, I think there was some in the sense of
Speaker 1: that they were instructed to do things, But you know,
Speaker 1: you got to realize these guys are in their twenties
Speaker 1: at this point. You know, they're just beginning to figure
Speaker 1: out life. And the other thing is he get Frank
Speaker 1: Cassio at that point was still you know, still under
Speaker 1: the spell of Michael Jackson and Vincent Amen at the point,
Speaker 1: he's just doing what they're telling him to do, and
Speaker 1: they you know, I think the reason why they threatened
Speaker 1: to do the co consperity unindicted co conspiracy because they
Speaker 1: wanted information and they wanted the That was the prosecution's
Speaker 1: way of saying, hey, look, we know you probably know things.
Speaker 1: We want you to cooperate with us, and so we're
Speaker 1: going to put you out. You know, we're going to
Speaker 1: call you on an dieded co conspirators, when the reality
Speaker 1: was they were just really another cog in the wheel
Speaker 1: of Michael Michael Jackson machine. That it's almost like the
Speaker 1: government where you you know, it's compartmentalized. We have all
Speaker 1: these different you know, things working at once to hide
Speaker 1: something else completely. And I you know, I think Vincent
Speaker 1: Ahmond is you know, he he has seen things that
Speaker 1: disturbed him and that he was he trusted his friend Frank,
Speaker 1: and you know, he didn't know at that point one
Speaker 1: when he was talking about didn't realize how victims sometimes
Speaker 1: will lie about being abused and protector abusers, and that
Speaker 1: now that he's married and he has his wife was abused,
Speaker 1: she's an Epstein, I am a correct Epstein victim, that
Speaker 1: he understands how that all works now, and that he's.
Speaker 2: Also they were also addicted to drugs at the time too,
Speaker 2: and he was a supplier, So there's that issue too
Speaker 2: as well. Now bringing up Rina, Oh, okay, who is
Speaker 2: a man's wife who was an Epstein victim. Now, what
Speaker 2: do you make of her whole situation with her beef
Speaker 2: with the Virginia Robert Schuffrie.
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, I don't, I really, I honestly
Speaker 1: didn't look into what that beef. I know Vincent's very
Speaker 1: you know, he's very forceful of pushing that argument that
Speaker 1: she was nothing but a handler from correct is what
Speaker 1: I think the argument is. But I don't you know,
Speaker 1: that whole thing has become such a just total fiasco
Speaker 1: on how it's been reported in all the different elements
Speaker 1: to it and all I don't know, and I don't
Speaker 1: know enough of it about it to really comment on it.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Okay? All right? What's next? Is the physical evidence
Speaker 2: of what the physical evidence of?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to stress this because this is
Speaker 1: the argument you get all the time. There is no
Speaker 1: physical evidence, there is no there's only testimony, and that's
Speaker 1: not true. In nineteen ninety three, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: go over some of it. In nineteen ninety three, they
Speaker 1: found a picture, the polaric picture. It was one of
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's like close little friends. He was his name,
Speaker 1: first name was Jonathan and he spent months with Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: months with him. That picture was a collerati of a
Speaker 1: nude they believed Jonathan Spence, and according to the lawyers
Speaker 1: for Wade Robson and James Safchuck, it was a provocative picture.
Speaker 1: He's literally cusping his generals, is what he was doing.
Speaker 1: And I was found at Havenhurst, at Michael Jackson's haven
Speaker 1: Urs estate, and God doesn't get talked about. And then
Speaker 1: when you bring it up, oh no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: not it is. It was filed, it's in, and even
Speaker 1: the lawyer is now going to probably bring that piece
Speaker 1: of evidence out. The other thing they found was on
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's body. You have a child accurately described markings
Speaker 1: on the undecided of Michael Jackson's genitalia. And this is
Speaker 1: not me saying this is that the detectives that were
Speaker 1: involved in that case. These were people like one of
Speaker 1: the lead prosecutors, Lauren Lauren Weiss ron Zonen, who was
Speaker 1: the assistant DA. But more importantly, Michael Jackson's own attorney
Speaker 1: discussed this. He talked about how it was the you know,
Speaker 1: six hundred pound guerrilla in the mediation room, the pictures
Speaker 1: and the description that they knew at that point they
Speaker 1: needed to settle to obviate a criminal investigation. So you
Speaker 1: have and then you have the books when he arranges me.
Speaker 1: More is they had two books. It was called The
Speaker 1: Boy and Boys Will Be Boys. Now those books were
Speaker 1: legal because they came out in the sixties and there
Speaker 1: were new children, et cetera. People don't realize that child
Speaker 1: pornography was not illegal until nineteen seventy six. And the
Speaker 1: people that put out those books were two pedophiles. There
Speaker 1: were two pedophiles, and one of them was named Martin Swithenbank,
Speaker 1: and he actually owned the publishing company to these books.
Speaker 1: It was called Book Adventures. He was interviewed about these
Speaker 1: books and he was asked directly. He goes, well, why
Speaker 1: is your publishing company you haven't put out much material.
Speaker 1: Why is it suddenly folding? Why are you now shutting
Speaker 1: down the publishing company? And his quote was, well, because
Speaker 1: there was not enough boy lovers to buy our material.
Speaker 1: So Michael Jackson had that in a locked filing cabinet
Speaker 1: with his own inscription on the you know, on the
Speaker 1: inside of the book that talked about how wonderful the
Speaker 1: book was, and he that's the boyhood he wants for
Speaker 1: his own children. And it's nothing but essentially nude and
Speaker 1: semi new children were frolicking around in nature, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them again just overt. It would be called
Speaker 1: child pornography now, but back then it wasn't classified. And
Speaker 1: back then they that's what they used, and they traded
Speaker 1: it and Michael Jackson owned it. Another piece of physical events,
Speaker 1: They also found seamanstinct on his mattress, several reidentified males
Speaker 1: well gee, Michael Jackson supposedly was heterosexual male and his
Speaker 1: own bed had demases I couldn't identify on his mattress,
Speaker 1: you know. And they found magazines with his fingerprints on it,
Speaker 1: and nature magazines and all these things. But all of
Speaker 1: it gets ignored because they want to see a video.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson abusing a child. That's their goals standed. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing they'll believe A maybe DNA evidence possibly,
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's the argument. And I have to
Speaker 1: always I always, you know, I haven't brought it up
Speaker 1: in a long time, some of the physical evidence, but
Speaker 1: there is physical evidence there. And besides that, there are
Speaker 1: just reams of testimony. And you have mal eleven accusers,
Speaker 1: seven multi million dollar settlements. You know, there's so much
Speaker 1: information that people just choose to ignore because they don't
Speaker 1: want to believe.
Speaker 2: It in denial so many of them. But I got
Speaker 2: the impression of some of them are to the same
Speaker 2: thing too there, you know, some of them. It's just
Speaker 2: they just seem a little.
Speaker 1: A little creepy, you know, Yeah, yeah, that's you know
Speaker 1: some of them. Yeah, it would surprise me some of them.
Speaker 1: They have these now these child abusers that cobook go
Speaker 1: by minor attractive people. They've now rebranded themselves. Oh look,
Speaker 1: we're in new sexuality. We should be we should be accepted.
Speaker 1: And the reality is is that I was just looking
Speaker 1: at a story from some guy. There's this new thing
Speaker 1: called look smacking, where people I guess.
Speaker 2: Right, no, no, no, no, look looks looks maxing. That
Speaker 2: looks smacking.
Speaker 1: Oh, Max looks maxing. Okay, It's well, there was one
Speaker 1: guy that was like twenty two years old that was
Speaker 1: into this and he had and it was all about
Speaker 1: you know, you know, being the perfect male specimen. And
Speaker 1: then you find out that he was getting child pornography
Speaker 1: and he was just busted by a couple of YouTubers
Speaker 1: that busted him and actually conspunted about his house and
Speaker 1: he actually admitted to everything. And I'm like, oh, that's right.
Speaker 2: I saw that one. Yeah, Alex Rosen confronted him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's but it's like, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: what is going on and it and it just is
Speaker 1: shocking to me. It's like this guy could have any
Speaker 1: woman or man or whatever he's into he wants, and
Speaker 1: it's like, and this is and they even confronted him saying,
Speaker 1: you're into watching children's innocence to be stolen, that's what
Speaker 1: you're into, and and and and the reality is is
Speaker 1: this there's this bizarre movement, and there are people defending him,
Speaker 1: by the way, That's why I kind of brought it up.
Speaker 1: There are people defending him saying, oh, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: And and this is you know what, though, man, I
Speaker 2: looked into that guy. A lot of his accounts and
Speaker 2: followers and comments are all fake. Okay, so so that
Speaker 2: might be his own comments saying he's not so yeah,
Speaker 2: he might be defending himself. You know, I contacted all
Speaker 2: years ago. I hate to be one of them, My
Speaker 2: Tommy ped Patrol, uh and I I'm in touch with Alex.
Speaker 2: But what do you call it that I've contacted all
Speaker 2: those predator hunter guys, most of them anyway, and helped
Speaker 2: them put their reports together and how to get freaking
Speaker 2: convictions on his stuff and tont know how to how
Speaker 2: to really do this stuff years ago, you know. So
Speaker 2: although I get no credit for it, of course, we're
Speaker 2: running out of time. But the last thing here is
Speaker 2: a Robinson and safe Chuck trial. What's going on with that?
Speaker 1: So the one good thing that you know, the light
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel is their trial has
Speaker 1: not got greenlits, so it should be hopefully they dates
Speaker 1: can change. But we're looking at November or they're looking
Speaker 1: at November of this year, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: a jury trial. And the attorney, John Carpenter, has you know,
Speaker 1: stated that he was interviewed by Dan Reid, who did
Speaker 1: a Leaving Neverland and it was like not really a sequel,
Speaker 1: but an update to that that he did as well.
Speaker 1: And he asked him and he looked at Danny Reed said,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many things I wish I could
Speaker 1: tell you right now that you know that I that
Speaker 1: I have right. I wish I could tell you, but
Speaker 1: I cannot, because obviously it's an ongoing trial. But he's like,
Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent convinced that Michael Jackson, and
Speaker 1: it is because of the information that we've gathered. I
Speaker 1: believe it's probably some physical evidence that wasn't allowed in
Speaker 1: the trial that these process because it was there was
Speaker 1: rumors that they also had other pictures that were obtained
Speaker 1: that weren't allowed into evidence. But also I think it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of probably other hidden settlements because now with
Speaker 1: discovery they can look at the books and there's probably
Speaker 1: other And they even say that there is another accuser
Speaker 1: that nobody knows about that's going to be very shocking,
Speaker 1: that's gonna more than likely testify, So there is a there,
Speaker 1: there's he's very confident that this is in the burden
Speaker 1: of proof is less in the civil trial than it
Speaker 1: is with the criminal trial. But I think he's very
Speaker 1: confident that once he gets on stand, our jury on
Speaker 1: the stand and presents the evidence because they weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to do that. But this whole you know, fourteen years,
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen years, they have been shot down time at
Speaker 1: the time because of standing, so the evidence, the merits
Speaker 1: were never tested. Now they're finally going to be able
Speaker 1: to hopefully put on the merits of the case. And
Speaker 1: that is also going to be I believe they're going
Speaker 1: to allow filming from Dan Reid to film that trial
Speaker 1: to be like the last installment of the Leaving Neverland,
Speaker 1: you know, series, to come out so people can see
Speaker 1: for themselves. Hey, this is more than just you know
Speaker 1: what the estate's trying to push. And according to all
Speaker 1: the sources, they you know, even if the state feels
Speaker 1: like they there's nothing they at this point to settle
Speaker 1: that they're not going to take a settlement. They want
Speaker 1: their day in court. They want everyone to see what's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been contacted by the estate like with
Speaker 2: a seasoned to sister can kind of threat or anything
Speaker 2: like that legal.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't, and I think it's because I don't
Speaker 1: really mention much about the What I talk about is
Speaker 1: what's been reported, So somebody already has discussed this over
Speaker 1: what's the court documents? And the other thing is Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson dead. You can't really the fame a dead person.
Speaker 2: If the state can come after you, they'll come after you.
Speaker 2: Trust me.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything yet. We'll put it that much.
Speaker 1: We'll put it that much. I haven't heard heard anything.
Speaker 1: And I also think that their ideas they don't want
Speaker 1: to bring any attention to you know, it just brings
Speaker 1: more attention. And I'm such a small fish out a
Speaker 1: pond that's like might even bother.
Speaker 2: So many accuses out the yet, Michael Parsilli, we are
Speaker 2: out of time. People check out m J victims dot
Speaker 2: com and the highly recommended Surviving Michael Jackson YouTube channels
Speaker 2: that's out there with all kind of good information on it.
Speaker 2: And Michael, thank you so much, man. I can't. I
Speaker 2: can't tell you how much I enjoy having you on
Speaker 2: the show. I really do. Man. Yeah, we gotta come
Speaker 2: back more from it. Thank you, okay, only been in
Speaker 2: a toga take it. Thank you again, my friend. Good
Speaker 2: night