Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering Foundation season two, episode one in Selden's Shadow.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Spacing Out.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing Foundation
Speaker 3: season two. We covered season one and one full sweep
Speaker 3: and now he slowed it down a little bit for
Speaker 3: season two. So this came out a while ago, but
Speaker 3: it was our first time watching, so we're not going
Speaker 3: to have any spoilers for any episodes to come. We're
Speaker 3: talking about Foundation season two, episode one in Selden's Shadow.
Speaker 3: This is premiered on July fourteenth, twenty twenty three, written
Speaker 3: by David Skoyer and Jane Esmonson and directed by Alex Graves.
Speaker 3: In this episode, Brother Day survives an assassination attempt by
Speaker 3: the Blind Angels while he is being intimate with the
Speaker 3: Merzil and blames brothers Don and Dusk of being complicit.
Speaker 3: He plans the wed Queen Sarah's one of the Cloud
Speaker 3: Dominion to end the Genetic dynasty and chains the direction
Speaker 3: of the Empire, but she is not impressed with them.
Speaker 3: Empire discovers that Terminus was not destroyed by a megaflayer
Speaker 3: as they had presumed a copy of Harry Seldyn's consciousness
Speaker 3: within the prime Radiant, tries to find his way out
Speaker 3: and on the ocean planet Synax, Gail and Salver, after
Speaker 3: examining the Radiant and learning that Harry's plan is verying
Speaker 3: off course, the work to reactivate salver ship Beggar so
Speaker 3: they can return to Terminus, and after escaping the Radiant,
Speaker 3: Harry confronts Gail and Salver inside the Beggar.
Speaker 1: Vibe check, did we like the episode overall? How does
Speaker 1: it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2: The ship's name is Beggar, all right? Vibe check? Not impressed.
Speaker 2: I mean it's still confusing as fuck. It's still like convoluted,
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I'm like, I'm not rooting for
Speaker 2: any of these characters, not even the ladies. I was
Speaker 2: hoping they were doing okay, but they're so boring. Like
Speaker 2: you just met your child who's older than you and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you know, it's gonna take a while
Speaker 2: to get used to you in your British accent. I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I would cry or something like emotion. Emotion.
Speaker 2: The last piece of the man you loved is alive
Speaker 2: and is somehow inflicted with the same visions that you have.
Speaker 2: Here's a something girl. Please, this is a show about
Speaker 2: like people, right, not robots. I mean there's one robot,
Speaker 2: but the robot had more emotion. What the fuck? Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's a little muted. Yeah, I can't. I just it's sad.
Speaker 2: It's bad. I'm like, why can't we have emotion? Like,
Speaker 2: you know, I know, maybe they're trying to say that
Speaker 2: women aren't emotional. Maybe there's like subtext here that I'm missing,
Speaker 2: but it just doesn't appeel offthentic brother day, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking that the call came from within the house more suspicious,
Speaker 2: more paranoia, more like I don't know what this director
Speaker 2: is doing where he's like letting these people be would
Speaker 2: but it just feels weird, Like it just doesn't feel
Speaker 2: emotional and it should be. Your empire is failing, You're
Speaker 2: doing something that's gonna change the course of your genetic
Speaker 2: line forever, and it just it doesn't Like I wish
Speaker 2: we would have seen like a better courtship between those
Speaker 2: two characters, or like I like that girl, Like the
Speaker 2: cloud lady was cool. She had sass and she was
Speaker 2: like not afraid to talk back to the empire and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. She was challenging, but she got like
Speaker 2: what two minutes of screen time and then they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we got to move over here into this the room
Speaker 2: and talk about ancient history right away. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just felt weird. I don't not my favorite. I'm
Speaker 2: still not convinced by this show. It's not it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel like it was written about me or for me,
Speaker 2: or with me in mind as an audience member. So no,
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. The best then was the part
Speaker 2: where they were swimming. There was no dialogue. Does that
Speaker 2: say anything to you all? What was your like?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: What about you? Do you like it that you have
Speaker 2: different opinions than me? So I hope somebody likes the show.
Speaker 3: I've found it, like I've heard several times like season
Speaker 3: two is a big step up from season one. I
Speaker 3: didn't find it dramatically different from what we've seen season one.
Speaker 2: But this is just one episode, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it has perhaps kind of slowed down and
Speaker 3: let us like digest. Yeah, there's still things like from
Speaker 3: season one that I'm confused about that. I guess they're
Speaker 3: probably not going to get cleared up. I don't remember
Speaker 3: why Harry is so mad at Gail. And I'm unclear
Speaker 3: if we've time jumped with the emperors, if I'm watching
Speaker 3: the same ones or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we have so from my from what
Speaker 2: I'm catching, and again I don't know if i'm it
Speaker 2: seems like uh Selden is mad at Gail because she
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be the one that lived and carried
Speaker 2: on his plan. That was supposed to be her partner,
Speaker 2: and he put her in that pod. So you're right,
Speaker 2: I don't know why we're mad at Gail. Maybe because
Speaker 2: she veered his ship off course too, so that's another
Speaker 2: reason to be mad at Gail. But she survived out
Speaker 2: of sheer luck and happenstance, like her partner ran into
Speaker 2: her in the hallway and he like threw her in there,
Speaker 2: so it's not like she chose to be there. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know why he's mad at her, but I'm
Speaker 2: guessing those are the reasons. And then I do believe
Speaker 2: we're all on the same timeline. The Foundation and the
Speaker 2: emperors were all one hundred and fifty years later or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean those things aside, like it's hard
Speaker 3: to it's hard to process this show one episode at
Speaker 3: a time when it's clearly telling a season long story,
Speaker 3: and so Gather's things I'm unclear about at this point,
Speaker 3: but I think that's how it's supposed to unfold. So
Speaker 3: I'm I'm interested. I want to be more interested in
Speaker 3: some of the storylines than I am because right now,
Speaker 3: like the Emperor seem the most interesting, and that's not
Speaker 3: the one I want to be invested in. So yeah,
Speaker 3: overall kind of hesitant.
Speaker 2: But so you're you're you're that's a non answer. Do
Speaker 2: you like the episode?
Speaker 3: I am cautiously optimistic.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you kind of like the episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah, trivia time? What backs or news could we uncover
Speaker 1: for Foundation season?
Speaker 3: So just some very general stuff here. So season one
Speaker 3: filmed in Ireland and the island of Malta and the
Speaker 3: Canary Islands. Season two is primarily shot in Prague. I
Speaker 3: think season one shifted around a lot because of COVID
Speaker 3: season two to not have that problem.
Speaker 2: Season three had the writer's strike. Oh so there, I
Speaker 2: wonder so you're saying the writing's going to be worse
Speaker 2: in season three.
Speaker 3: Well, no, it was just delayed a lot. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: And then there's more we'll talk about that when we
Speaker 3: get to the end of season two. But in terms
Speaker 3: of the adaptation of the novels, the season mostly adapts
Speaker 3: the later half of the first Foundation novel and then
Speaker 3: the first half of the second novel called Foundation and Empire.
Speaker 3: Who says a reminder, it's very loose adaptation. Most of
Speaker 3: these storylines are created for the show, and some elements
Speaker 3: of the novel have been woven in.
Speaker 2: So reading the books won't film me and on some
Speaker 2: of this stuff.
Speaker 3: There's little things here and there, but at this point
Speaker 3: everything's confusing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, deep space, let's break down some of our thoughts
Speaker 1: on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
Speaker 1: through email or social media. We may use your comments
Speaker 1: on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3: All right, So, I guess, with these like three ish storylines,
Speaker 3: which one you want to go and do first?
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what they were.
Speaker 3: We've got the emperors, we've got Gail and Salvar, and
Speaker 3: we've got Harry in his little prison.
Speaker 2: What about a little bit on Terminus. Yeah, Terminus is
Speaker 2: just vaguely there. Well, we started with Harry in the
Speaker 2: beginning of the episode, in his dirty outfit. Why is
Speaker 2: he dirty? Why is he dirty. If he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's it's consciousness and it's dirty, he's a dirty guy.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how, like how did like Okay, so
Speaker 2: the part of the mystery is how did he get there?
Speaker 2: But why is he dirty? If he is like a
Speaker 2: fictional bean or like a made up individual, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: he put himself in clean clothes? Why wouldn't he be
Speaker 2: like the best dressed version of himself.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because he wasn't wearing that last season
Speaker 3: right when he now.
Speaker 2: No, and like if it was him like coming back
Speaker 2: from the dead, he'd be covered in blood or something, right, Like.
Speaker 2: It's just really confusing why they chose this particular outfit
Speaker 2: and that level of grunge and dirt and then he's
Speaker 2: in and especially because he's like in a very clean space. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so where and maybe and maybe that's like the point.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's like trying to paint him as the odd
Speaker 2: man out is an element that doesn't belong in this clean,
Speaker 2: sterile environment. But I don't know. It just looks nasty.
Speaker 2: It looks like he smells bad and he's dirty, and
Speaker 2: he's like ranting and raving like a lunatic. And I
Speaker 2: can't follow what he's saying. I really care. I don't
Speaker 2: like him, and he's one of the main characters that's
Speaker 2: like supposed to be a beloved guy. I don't like him.
Speaker 2: I don't like a lot of these characters. So I
Speaker 2: don't care that he's trapped in a prison of potentially
Speaker 2: his own making. Yeah, I don't care. And then they
Speaker 2: try to give him a backstory with this lover and
Speaker 2: this other random lady that they don't explain who she
Speaker 2: is either.
Speaker 3: Like what, I'm wondering if they're trying to like take
Speaker 3: him down a peg, because he was like all ego
Speaker 3: last season, So I wonder if they're like, let's dirty
Speaker 3: him up, let's give him some childhood trauma. And I
Speaker 3: don't know he is making a wife, but I guess
Speaker 3: he lost, and yeah.
Speaker 2: Make him human, uh, because he's supposed to be like
Speaker 2: this kind of deity like frigure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's expressing a lot of like self doubt
Speaker 3: and stuff in there.
Speaker 2: Ah. But yeah, it's just confusing. And I just this
Speaker 2: whole idea of a force dimension being able to be
Speaker 2: tapped in by a human or a I don't know
Speaker 2: what he is, A specter. I don't know what he is,
Speaker 2: but he's like able to navigate the forced and it's
Speaker 2: just him walking on walls which are a third dimension, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't know what the fourth dimension looks like, So
Speaker 2: why are you playing with us? I don't know.
Speaker 3: He made it sound so easy though, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: just tint to reshape it.
Speaker 2: They just turned him into an e uh the an
Speaker 2: escher esque like figure where he's like walking on the
Speaker 2: walls and the staircases that are upside down and things
Speaker 2: like that, and we don't know where he is to be,
Speaker 2: like you know what. It kind of reminds me of
Speaker 2: and I hate to say this, it reminds me of
Speaker 2: the tartists from Doctor Who, where they're saying it's bigger
Speaker 2: on the inside, and uh so is he in that
Speaker 2: little black thing that's in the foundation the foundation?
Speaker 3: No, so they're saying that there's there's two copies of
Speaker 3: his consciousness and so there's that one at the foundation
Speaker 3: and the other one that Gail had and apparently off
Speaker 3: screen she put it inside the little radiant box.
Speaker 2: Isn't that something kind of important to show instead of tell?
Speaker 2: So I don't know how he got from the hard
Speaker 2: drive onto there yeah, especially since she didn't have it right.
Speaker 2: That's why she said she did it while Salvar was sleeping. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: stupid man. I don't. The show is just so frustrating
Speaker 2: and the things it chooses to show you.
Speaker 3: You know what it doesn't show you though, that penises.
Speaker 2: That penis so he's fucking his.
Speaker 3: Robot, which is didn't know that was a thing, but
Speaker 3: apparently they can.
Speaker 2: Well. And even the brother Dawn was like or no,
Speaker 2: not down Dusk Dusk. I was trying to remember Daylight
Speaker 2: Savings and like can carry over the one and what it?
Speaker 2: They like savings as their cousin.
Speaker 4: Do you remember those books, the Treehouse books where they're
Speaker 4: like Midnight and Shanghai and shit like that, like where
Speaker 4: they had like they went into the treehouse and they
Speaker 4: came out and they were like transported into another like
Speaker 4: story and it was always like something about like a time.
Speaker 2: Of day, like you know, medieval times and at noon.
Speaker 2: It was very niche book. Okay, you had to be there,
Speaker 2: but that's kind of the vibe I get from the names.
Speaker 3: Uh, they got a whole family, like you got Twilight
Speaker 3: and the Noon and.
Speaker 2: The main brothers are Dawn, Day and dusk, and Dusk
Speaker 2: is like, you nasty that lady changed your diaper, and
Speaker 2: he's right, that's nasty. That is super nasty. And he's like,
Speaker 2: she initiated and that makes her a predator. Bro. He's like,
Speaker 2: it was a good thing she was there because he
Speaker 2: ended up. She ended up like uh, shoving her hand
Speaker 2: through somebody's skull. She could have done that to your dick, dude.
Speaker 3: Well, they also like used her as a shield first thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she's a robot, she's not a person,
Speaker 2: So no feelings. The only thing hard in this episode
Speaker 2: was his dick didn't look like it. We couldn't tell
Speaker 2: it was just blank.
Speaker 3: If he was like interrupted in the middle of sex,
Speaker 3: like that thing should have been pointed up. And all
Speaker 3: those silhouettes it wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of silhouettes and a lot
Speaker 2: of uh butt work, but no dick. And I'm so
Speaker 2: tired of Hollywood hiding the penis. I'm so tired they
Speaker 2: always show boobs an ass, but they never show dick.
Speaker 2: It's indecent, it's disgusting and nobody wants to see it.
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's equality. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a naked dude show his dick, don't
Speaker 2: tease me. The guys who were trying to kill him, Uh,
Speaker 2: they were pretty impressive considering they didn't have eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, I feel like getting to
Speaker 2: the scene in the middle of them having sex and
Speaker 2: orgasmine felt like cheating. Like we should have seen her initiate.
Speaker 2: We should have seen that. We should have seen like
Speaker 2: her soothing him and telling him everything's okay and bloody
Speaker 2: blah blah, and he was the best empire there's ever been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the way, like it kind of catches us
Speaker 3: up on stuff. It's so like kind of nonchalant about
Speaker 3: it in a way that like this is interesting, Like
Speaker 3: he wants to marry someone and like break the genetic dynasty.
Speaker 3: But they just casually mentioned that, and then we get
Speaker 3: to it and then he's also in this you know
Speaker 3: step mom porn as well.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Not step mom pork, that's one of the most popular
Speaker 2: porns out there, you know. But Yeah, I would have
Speaker 2: liked a little bit of worming up.
Speaker 3: Like if we saw the conflict within him of like
Speaker 3: deciding to alter their genetic dynasty or the.
Speaker 2: Thing that was putting pressure on pressure on him him,
Speaker 2: like systematically losing planet after planet and seeing the empire
Speaker 2: shrink and the mindset change again, telling instead of showing sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe that's why I'm a little more hesitant
Speaker 3: on this episode. Is just like it's it's telling us
Speaker 3: stuff to set the scene, and it's not that rewarding
Speaker 3: in the way it's telling it right now. But I'm
Speaker 3: hoping that it's just like catching us up to where
Speaker 3: we want to start the story for the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. I'm not holding my breast. But Gail
Speaker 2: is dang nicely. I'm sorry. I was so proud of that.
Speaker 3: So Gail is a mom now, and.
Speaker 2: She has no advice, no information, just vague wordage and
Speaker 2: a really sick accent that we don't know quite where
Speaker 2: it's from, because I don't think those people from the
Speaker 2: Ocean talk like that. She's like this Madonna, a girl
Speaker 2: who came from Jersey, but all of a sudden she
Speaker 2: has a British accent. I think that's her real accent,
Speaker 2: like the actress. Yeah, but she came from a planet
Speaker 2: where nobody else had that accent. She learned it in
Speaker 2: a book. Yeah, Well, I guess she's like one of
Speaker 2: the few people from that planet now, so they do
Speaker 2: have that accent because she's one of two.
Speaker 3: So yeah, as you were saying earlier, her reaction to
Speaker 3: having a daughter that's older than her pretty just muted,
Speaker 3: just kind of like she doesn't even want to attempt
Speaker 3: to process it. She's just like not anytime that Salvo
Speaker 3: tries to bring up the connections they have, she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not the same thing.
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting if she was like withdrawn in a
Speaker 2: way that was like more interesting, like you don't know
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, instead.
Speaker 3: Of no, it's not really, it's not like overwhelmed by it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like not like she's somewhat in denial of it having
Speaker 3: like any meaning at all, but she's not in denial
Speaker 3: of it being like true.
Speaker 2: But like she traveled from outer space to this planet
Speaker 2: to find this girl, and she's not finding any meaning
Speaker 2: in it even though she did it. She's not like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe I've found you. I
Speaker 2: can't believe this is happening, Like what are the odds? Nothing?
Speaker 2: Or tell us the odds, bitch your math ho. And
Speaker 2: then the most interesting thing she did was explain the
Speaker 2: trajectory of the time of the human timeline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we learned that we're reverering off course from
Speaker 3: what Selden was trying to put in the motion. And
Speaker 3: as they keep going off course, then might not ever
Speaker 3: get back on course.
Speaker 2: The importance of the course, you don't know, that's not explained.
Speaker 2: Why it's so important to stay on course? What's his plan?
Speaker 2: He doesn't know it, We don't know it. Nobody knows it.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. This show is so infuriating. So what we
Speaker 2: go off course? We're in a red timeline instead of
Speaker 2: a blue timeline? Is that the bad thing? Because we're
Speaker 2: we're crips, not bloods. What's going on? And I maybe
Speaker 2: because there's more crisis crises in the in the red timeline.
Speaker 2: It's like because there was a little nodule after nodule
Speaker 2: after nodule.
Speaker 3: So the crises are things that I think can push
Speaker 3: them further away away from what from So basically like
Speaker 3: he predicted the fall of the empire and like the
Speaker 3: fall up of humanity, the darkness that would come from
Speaker 3: that before kind of humanity rebuilds itself to you know,
Speaker 3: not suffering anymore. Basically, and if they if they follow
Speaker 3: the course that he's kind of predicted and set out,
Speaker 3: then they can shorten the.
Speaker 2: Timeline of suffering. The suffering. Yeah, that's you can't do that.
Speaker 2: You've got to let nature take its course. You know,
Speaker 2: in the fourteen hundreds, the plague wiped out like half
Speaker 2: the population and Europe went back into the dark ages,
Speaker 2: and it took them hundreds of years to recuperate. It
Speaker 2: had to happen because people fucking died and you can't
Speaker 2: recover from that. And right now it's been like five
Speaker 2: years since we had a global pandemic and we are
Speaker 2: still struggling to wrap our heads around the loss. We
Speaker 2: can't cut that in half because we don't want to suffer.
Speaker 2: You know, suffering is part of the like human code,
Speaker 2: it's part of our existence. And the thing is we
Speaker 2: create our own suffering through our inability to connect with
Speaker 2: one another. So even if you solve the next crisis,
Speaker 2: you're not solving the ineptitude of the human spirit to
Speaker 2: be a selfish asshole and continue to pollute the world
Speaker 2: and drop bombs on the brown like third world countries
Speaker 2: and exploit people like you can try to solve the problem,
Speaker 2: but you're not solving the root of the issue, and uh,
Speaker 2: I don't. This show is just like unrealistic, Like you're
Speaker 2: trying to solve a problem that's been existing. The humans
Speaker 2: are the problem and the only way to solve the
Speaker 2: human problem is to let them be extinct, and that's
Speaker 2: not humanitarian. So I don't know, let it, let it
Speaker 2: fear off course, fight like hell for what you have,
Speaker 2: but there's no way you can ever make it go
Speaker 2: through a perfect course, Like there is no better timeline.
Speaker 2: This is the only timeline. What a fantasy. This is
Speaker 2: a white man's fantasy for sure, to say we can
Speaker 2: fix one little thing and we'll be back in the blue,
Speaker 2: blue skies and rainbows. I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 2: like it. What do you think.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you actually want to do every episode
Speaker 3: of this?
Speaker 2: I do, No, Yeah, it's I'm interested, But just this
Speaker 2: show is really weird and like I want to like it.
Speaker 2: It has elements that are there, but it's also such
Speaker 2: high fantasy that it's not and it's not a fantasy
Speaker 2: where I can like feel myself in it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, I don't know. We'll try another episode,
Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes. And again, this episode might
Speaker 2: still be having the stink of last season on it,
Speaker 2: but the premise of the show to say that there's
Speaker 2: a better way for us to be that's always going
Speaker 2: to be true. And the thing is that we're never
Speaker 2: going to change the bad course we're on no matter
Speaker 2: how many good people try to change it. There's gonna
Speaker 2: be bad people that are gonna fuck shit up for
Speaker 2: all of us because they have more power, more money,
Speaker 2: and more influence than the good people usually have. And
Speaker 2: it's just it's hard to believe in a future where
Speaker 2: somebody like Gaeale and and the other one can can
Speaker 2: fix it, you know what I mean, Like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: these two girls who swim good, they're they're gonna fix it.
Speaker 2: They both swim really well. And seeing black women in
Speaker 2: water is something that needs to be more prevalent in
Speaker 2: the media, I think, because there's like a stigma with
Speaker 2: black people in water that has existed for a really
Speaker 2: long time. And to see these two women swimming in
Speaker 2: this beautiful, like clear blue water was really lovely and
Speaker 2: almost treeing and they were saving themselves and cooperating. That
Speaker 2: was like my favorite scene in this whole episode, Like
Speaker 2: seeing them swimming through uh the spaceship and saving themselves
Speaker 2: out of a hurricane. That was really powerful. That was
Speaker 2: like the most powerful scene. And like I said, there
Speaker 2: was no dialogue and so like it was an action
Speaker 2: scene that had to deep impact on the visuals that
Speaker 2: were being represented.
Speaker 3: Any other positives, positives.
Speaker 2: I really liked it when the cloud people came to
Speaker 2: with their cloudy outfits and their hands up like drag queens.
Speaker 2: They're like serving, They're like walking down the runway, turn turn.
Speaker 2: And then the gift that they presented.
Speaker 3: I like how Brother Dusk, who has been kind of
Speaker 3: like grumpy the whole episode, he suddenly nerds out over
Speaker 3: all this pigment they brought.
Speaker 2: Right, So I think it's like a thing that happens
Speaker 2: with these uh the Emperor Empire is when you become Dusk,
Speaker 2: you become obsessed with a mural because this's got to
Speaker 2: be a different homie. Yeah, but it's their job to
Speaker 2: maintain the mural. Yeah, building, And I wish, like I
Speaker 2: really loved that part where they presented the pigment, but
Speaker 2: because of the properties of the pigment, I wish that
Speaker 2: they would have shown him touching it and it reacting
Speaker 2: and shifting and moving the way that they've shown it
Speaker 2: in the past. That was like a really big missed
Speaker 2: opportunity on the visual effects team, I think, because like,
Speaker 2: the whole vibe of this show is like sand moving
Speaker 2: through time and all this shit, So it would have
Speaker 2: been cool to evoke that visual with Brother Dusk, just
Speaker 2: like touching the pigment and being like in awe of it.
Speaker 2: Then the gift they gave back was lame, was super lame.
Speaker 2: It was a paperweight right of their shrunken empire. And
Speaker 2: she called it out. She's like, oh, is this the
Speaker 2: vision you have of yourself?
Speaker 3: Thought the empire's a little bigger than this.
Speaker 2: But she was looking down at his penis too so.
Speaker 2: And then he rudely gets interrupted by the robot lady
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, come over.
Speaker 3: Here, and like, well, yes, she had important information. I
Speaker 3: don't see why it couldn't wait.
Speaker 2: Like, actually, if they're saying, especially if they're saying, well,
Speaker 2: let's let them stay hidden. Yeah, that was like the
Speaker 2: conclusion of that let's not do anything yet. Yeah, so let
Speaker 2: me let me be super rude to my potential bride
Speaker 2: to be, who's gonna fix all my problems and my
Speaker 2: pr problems, Like she's gonna fix my public image. Let
Speaker 2: me run away from her and and leave her in
Speaker 2: a room alone with all my co conspirators to talk
Speaker 2: about some random planet that I'm going to be like, Oh,
Speaker 2: let's leave it alone. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Speaker 3: I think it was a robot. What's her name, Demersal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she was Jelly Demersal. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think she was like, I'm going to get my
Speaker 3: man out of here.
Speaker 2: My boyfriend's son, Yes, my step son. That's so nasty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, Like, I really want to like
Speaker 2: this show, but a big part of me is just like,
Speaker 2: in order for you to fall for the fantasy, a
Speaker 2: part of you has to be like deeply committed to it.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why Star Wars works for me
Speaker 2: is because it's a show about corruption and and and
Speaker 2: like deceit and how there's the duality of man exists
Speaker 2: and how we struggle with that duality. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a sector of people rebelling against the evils of
Speaker 2: the world, and they're small in numbers, but there their
Speaker 2: fight is justified, and that's that feels real because that's
Speaker 2: happened in the past. You know, there a lot of
Speaker 2: the the Sith lords and all that shit. It's all
Speaker 2: like modeled after Nazi Germany, a real historical event with
Speaker 2: real casualties and real people. So it's just like, what
Speaker 2: what did this guy who wrote the foundation? Where was
Speaker 2: he bringing? Like what was his inspiration? Like I can't
Speaker 2: imagine after World War Two that you believed in a
Speaker 2: better world because you lived through the real life hell
Speaker 2: and so I don't know, Like I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I can fall into this idea of
Speaker 2: saving humanity from itself in a way that's going to
Speaker 2: alter the course of a timeline. It's just a really
Speaker 2: hard sell for somebody who's been through what we've all
Speaker 2: been through. A majority of the world is spurning and
Speaker 2: we can't put it out, not with our tears. You
Speaker 2: can cry all we want. And that's like it would
Speaker 2: have been cool if that's what Gail said, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're just two girls, We're just two women. What are
Speaker 2: we supposed to do? I don't believe in this either,
Speaker 2: Like that would have been realistic, that would have been
Speaker 2: interesting that she was, but that she still chooses to
Speaker 2: go forward and try to find the cause and try
Speaker 2: to do it. But saying I don't think this is real,
Speaker 2: or I don't think this is going to work, or
Speaker 2: I don't think it's possible, but I'm going to try.
Speaker 2: That would have been authentic to a real human experience.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I'm missing the human. I'm
Speaker 2: missing the human in this and it's sad because I
Speaker 2: like that's like the point of science fiction is to
Speaker 2: point out the flaws and humanity and give us a
Speaker 2: satire or a different perspective. And it's just I can't
Speaker 2: see it. I can't see it, and I don't I
Speaker 2: would love to get it from Like I would love
Speaker 2: to have somebody who could tell me how this is
Speaker 2: working for them. I would love to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like this show, I don't get it, and
Speaker 2: then they explain it to me in a way that
Speaker 2: makes the human. But I don't even know anybody who
Speaker 2: watches the show, right, Like maybe there's a forum, a
Speaker 2: Reddit thread or something, but I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 3: Are you ready to choose your astral Queen?
Speaker 2: No? Can you go first? I didn't like any of
Speaker 2: these toes. Actually, I know who I want to pick.
Speaker 2: I want to pick the sassy cloud queen. That's a
Speaker 2: good choice. Yeah. She had but two minutes of screen time,
Speaker 2: and she made the most impact and the most emotional
Speaker 2: uh like performance in the episode. She gave emotion, she
Speaker 2: gave sass, She criticized an emperor. She knows she has
Speaker 2: the upper hand on so I pick her. And she
Speaker 2: was dressed really well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good choice. I'm not going to pick
Speaker 3: any of the emperors. Well, I'm always interested in the robot.
Speaker 3: She was weird this episode, and we didn't get much
Speaker 3: on the foundation. We're just like, oh, something's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Maybe what was with that guy that they found floating
Speaker 2: in space? Too? Was that Gails are what's her name's boyfriend?
Speaker 2: Don't ask me that? Okay, you don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: think it was. I thought it was because remember he
Speaker 2: floated away, but then he came back, didn't he? I
Speaker 2: don't remember? Never mind? Go ahead, who's your astro queen? Um?
Speaker 2: Was it Gail probably Sell? Okay, that's her name. I
Speaker 2: can't pronounce that.
Speaker 3: Just because she had more like energy, yeah, more realistic
Speaker 3: emotions around that interaction.
Speaker 2: She also got up early in the morning and caught breakfast.
Speaker 2: What's Gail doing on a planet she's never been to before? Yeah?
Speaker 3: All right, well then that wraps us up for season two,
Speaker 3: episode one. Next time we will cover episode two, which
Speaker 3: is titled A Glimpse of Darkness, and thank you for
Speaker 3: spacing out with us, and remember to respect and enjoy
Speaker 3: the piece.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spacing out with Peb and Jason. You
Speaker 1: can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
Speaker 1: rating or review. Remember you can contact us through email
Speaker 1: or social media. Next time, we will cover Foundation season two,
Speaker 1: episode two, A Glimpse of Darkness,