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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week

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<v Speaker 1>covering Foundation season two, episode one in Selden's Shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Spacing Out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing Foundation

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<v Speaker 3>season two. We covered season one and one full sweep

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<v Speaker 3>and now he slowed it down a little bit for

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<v Speaker 3>season two. So this came out a while ago, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was our first time watching, so we're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to have any spoilers for any episodes to come. We're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about Foundation season two, episode one in Selden's Shadow.

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<v Speaker 3>This is premiered on July fourteenth, twenty twenty three, written

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<v Speaker 3>by David Skoyer and Jane Esmonson and directed by Alex Graves.

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<v Speaker 3>In this episode, Brother Day survives an assassination attempt by

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<v Speaker 3>the Blind Angels while he is being intimate with the

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<v Speaker 3>Merzil and blames brothers Don and Dusk of being complicit.

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<v Speaker 3>He plans the wed Queen Sarah's one of the Cloud

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<v Speaker 3>Dominion to end the Genetic dynasty and chains the direction

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<v Speaker 3>of the Empire, but she is not impressed with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Empire discovers that Terminus was not destroyed by a megaflayer

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<v Speaker 3>as they had presumed a copy of Harry Seldyn's consciousness

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<v Speaker 3>within the prime Radiant, tries to find his way out

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<v Speaker 3>and on the ocean planet Synax, Gail and Salver, after

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<v Speaker 3>examining the Radiant and learning that Harry's plan is verying

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<v Speaker 3>off course, the work to reactivate salver ship Beggar so

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<v Speaker 3>they can return to Terminus, and after escaping the Radiant,

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<v Speaker 3>Harry confronts Gail and Salver inside the Beggar.

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<v Speaker 1>Vibe check, did we like the episode overall? How does

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<v Speaker 1>it stand the test of time?

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<v Speaker 2>The ship's name is Beggar, all right? Vibe check? Not impressed.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's still confusing as fuck. It's still like convoluted,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know. I'm like, I'm not rooting for

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<v Speaker 2>any of these characters, not even the ladies. I was

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<v Speaker 2>hoping they were doing okay, but they're so boring. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you just met your child who's older than you and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, you know, it's gonna take a while

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<v Speaker 2>to get used to you in your British accent. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, like I would cry or something like emotion. Emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>The last piece of the man you loved is alive

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<v Speaker 2>and is somehow inflicted with the same visions that you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a something girl. Please, this is a show about

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<v Speaker 2>like people, right, not robots. I mean there's one robot,

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<v Speaker 2>but the robot had more emotion. What the fuck? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a little muted. Yeah, I can't. I just it's sad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bad. I'm like, why can't we have emotion? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know, maybe they're trying to say that

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<v Speaker 2>women aren't emotional. Maybe there's like subtext here that I'm missing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just doesn't appeel offthentic brother day, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that the call came from within the house more suspicious,

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<v Speaker 2>more paranoia, more like I don't know what this director

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<v Speaker 2>is doing where he's like letting these people be would

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<v Speaker 2>but it just feels weird, Like it just doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>emotional and it should be. Your empire is failing, You're

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<v Speaker 2>doing something that's gonna change the course of your genetic

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<v Speaker 2>line forever, and it just it doesn't Like I wish

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<v Speaker 2>we would have seen like a better courtship between those

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<v Speaker 2>two characters, or like I like that girl, Like the

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<v Speaker 2>cloud lady was cool. She had sass and she was

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<v Speaker 2>like not afraid to talk back to the empire and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. She was challenging, but she got like

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<v Speaker 2>what two minutes of screen time and then they're like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to move over here into this the room

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about ancient history right away. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it just felt weird. I don't not my favorite. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still not convinced by this show. It's not it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it was written about me or for me,

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<v Speaker 2>or with me in mind as an audience member. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like it. The best then was the part

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<v Speaker 2>where they were swimming. There was no dialogue. Does that

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<v Speaker 2>say anything to you all? What was your like?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>What about you? Do you like it that you have

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<v Speaker 2>different opinions than me? So I hope somebody likes the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I've found it, like I've heard several times like season

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<v Speaker 3>two is a big step up from season one. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't find it dramatically different from what we've seen season one.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is just one episode, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it has perhaps kind of slowed down and

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<v Speaker 3>let us like digest. Yeah, there's still things like from

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<v Speaker 3>season one that I'm confused about that. I guess they're

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<v Speaker 3>probably not going to get cleared up. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 3>why Harry is so mad at Gail. And I'm unclear

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<v Speaker 3>if we've time jumped with the emperors, if I'm watching

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<v Speaker 3>the same ones or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we have so from my from what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm catching, and again I don't know if i'm it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like uh Selden is mad at Gail because she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't supposed to be the one that lived and carried

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<v Speaker 2>on his plan. That was supposed to be her partner,

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<v Speaker 2>and he put her in that pod. So you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why we're mad at Gail. Maybe because

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<v Speaker 2>she veered his ship off course too, so that's another

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<v Speaker 2>reason to be mad at Gail. But she survived out

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<v Speaker 2>of sheer luck and happenstance, like her partner ran into

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<v Speaker 2>her in the hallway and he like threw her in there,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not like she chose to be there. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why he's mad at her, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>guessing those are the reasons. And then I do believe

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<v Speaker 2>we're all on the same timeline. The Foundation and the

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<v Speaker 2>emperors were all one hundred and fifty years later or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I mean those things aside, like it's hard

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<v Speaker 3>to it's hard to process this show one episode at

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<v Speaker 3>a time when it's clearly telling a season long story,

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<v Speaker 3>and so Gather's things I'm unclear about at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think that's how it's supposed to unfold. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm interested. I want to be more interested in

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<v Speaker 3>some of the storylines than I am because right now,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Emperor seem the most interesting, and that's not

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<v Speaker 3>the one I want to be invested in. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>overall kind of hesitant.

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<v Speaker 2>But so you're you're you're that's a non answer. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you like the episode?

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<v Speaker 3>I am cautiously optimistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you kind of like the episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, trivia time? What backs or news could we uncover

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<v Speaker 1>for Foundation season?

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<v Speaker 3>So just some very general stuff here. So season one

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<v Speaker 3>filmed in Ireland and the island of Malta and the

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<v Speaker 3>Canary Islands. Season two is primarily shot in Prague. I

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<v Speaker 3>think season one shifted around a lot because of COVID

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<v Speaker 3>season two to not have that problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Season three had the writer's strike. Oh so there, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder so you're saying the writing's going to be worse

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<v Speaker 2>in season three.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, it was just delayed a lot. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's more we'll talk about that when we

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<v Speaker 3>get to the end of season two. But in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the adaptation of the novels, the season mostly adapts

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<v Speaker 3>the later half of the first Foundation novel and then

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<v Speaker 3>the first half of the second novel called Foundation and Empire.

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<v Speaker 3>Who says a reminder, it's very loose adaptation. Most of

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<v Speaker 3>these storylines are created for the show, and some elements

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<v Speaker 3>of the novel have been woven in.

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<v Speaker 2>So reading the books won't film me and on some

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<v Speaker 2>of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>There's little things here and there, but at this point

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<v Speaker 3>everything's confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, deep space, let's break down some of our thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us

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<v Speaker 1>through email or social media. We may use your comments

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<v Speaker 1>on an upcoming episode.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So, I guess, with these like three ish storylines,

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<v Speaker 3>which one you want to go and do first?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember what they were.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got the emperors, we've got Gail and Salvar, and

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<v Speaker 3>we've got Harry in his little prison.

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<v Speaker 2>What about a little bit on Terminus. Yeah, Terminus is

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<v Speaker 2>just vaguely there. Well, we started with Harry in the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the episode, in his dirty outfit. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>he dirty? Why is he dirty. If he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's consciousness and it's dirty, he's a dirty guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how, like how did like Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>the part of the mystery is how did he get there?

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<v Speaker 2>But why is he dirty? If he is like a

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<v Speaker 2>fictional bean or like a made up individual, why wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>he put himself in clean clothes? Why wouldn't he be

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<v Speaker 2>like the best dressed version of himself.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, because he wasn't wearing that last season

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<v Speaker 3>right when he now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and like if it was him like coming back

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<v Speaker 2>from the dead, he'd be covered in blood or something, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just really confusing why they chose this particular outfit

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<v Speaker 2>and that level of grunge and dirt and then he's

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<v Speaker 2>in and especially because he's like in a very clean space. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so where and maybe and maybe that's like the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's like trying to paint him as the odd

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<v Speaker 2>man out is an element that doesn't belong in this clean,

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<v Speaker 2>sterile environment. But I don't know. It just looks nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like he smells bad and he's dirty, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like ranting and raving like a lunatic. And I

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<v Speaker 2>can't follow what he's saying. I really care. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like him, and he's one of the main characters that's

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<v Speaker 2>like supposed to be a beloved guy. I don't like him.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like a lot of these characters. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care that he's trapped in a prison of potentially

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<v Speaker 2>his own making. Yeah, I don't care. And then they

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<v Speaker 2>try to give him a backstory with this lover and

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<v Speaker 2>this other random lady that they don't explain who she

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<v Speaker 2>is either.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what, I'm wondering if they're trying to like take

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<v Speaker 3>him down a peg, because he was like all ego

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<v Speaker 3>last season, So I wonder if they're like, let's dirty

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<v Speaker 3>him up, let's give him some childhood trauma. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know he is making a wife, but I guess

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<v Speaker 3>he lost, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Make him human, uh, because he's supposed to be like

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of deity like frigure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's expressing a lot of like self doubt

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. But yeah, it's just confusing. And I just this

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<v Speaker 2>whole idea of a force dimension being able to be

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<v Speaker 2>tapped in by a human or a I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what he is, A specter. I don't know what he is,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's like able to navigate the forced and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just him walking on walls which are a third dimension, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what the fourth dimension looks like, So

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<v Speaker 2>why are you playing with us? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He made it sound so easy though, like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>just tint to reshape it.

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<v Speaker 2>They just turned him into an e uh the an

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<v Speaker 2>escher esque like figure where he's like walking on the

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<v Speaker 2>walls and the staircases that are upside down and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and we don't know where he is to be,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know what. It kind of reminds me of

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<v Speaker 2>and I hate to say this, it reminds me of

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<v Speaker 2>the tartists from Doctor Who, where they're saying it's bigger

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<v Speaker 2>on the inside, and uh so is he in that

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<v Speaker 2>little black thing that's in the foundation the foundation?

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<v Speaker 3>No, so they're saying that there's there's two copies of

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<v Speaker 3>his consciousness and so there's that one at the foundation

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<v Speaker 3>and the other one that Gail had and apparently off

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<v Speaker 3>screen she put it inside the little radiant box.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that something kind of important to show instead of tell?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how he got from the hard

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<v Speaker 2>That's why she said she did it while Salvar was sleeping. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>stupid man. I don't. The show is just so frustrating

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<v Speaker 2>and the things it chooses to show you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what it doesn't show you though, that penises.

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<v Speaker 2>That penis so he's fucking his.

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<v Speaker 3>Robot, which is didn't know that was a thing, but

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<v Speaker 3>apparently they can.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. And even the brother Dawn was like or no,

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<v Speaker 2>not down Dusk Dusk. I was trying to remember Daylight

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<v Speaker 2>Savings and like can carry over the one and what it?

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<v Speaker 2>They like savings as their cousin.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember those books, the Treehouse books where they're

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<v Speaker 2>Of day, like you know, medieval times and at noon.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very niche book. Okay, you had to be there,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's kind of the vibe I get from the names.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, they got a whole family, like you got Twilight

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<v Speaker 2>The main brothers are Dawn, Day and dusk, and Dusk

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<v Speaker 2>is like, you nasty that lady changed your diaper, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's right, that's nasty. That is super nasty. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>she initiated and that makes her a predator. Bro. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a good thing she was there because he

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<v Speaker 2>ended up. She ended up like uh, shoving her hand

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they also like used her as a shield first thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean she's a robot, she's not a person,

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<v Speaker 2>So no feelings. The only thing hard in this episode

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<v Speaker 2>it was just blank.

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<v Speaker 3>If he was like interrupted in the middle of sex,

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<v Speaker 3>like that thing should have been pointed up. And all

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<v Speaker 3>those silhouettes it wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was a lot of silhouettes and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of uh butt work, but no dick. And I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>tired of Hollywood hiding the penis. I'm so tired they

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<v Speaker 2>always show boobs an ass, but they never show dick.

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<v Speaker 2>It's indecent, it's disgusting and nobody wants to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, it's equality. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a naked dude show his dick, don't

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<v Speaker 2>tease me. The guys who were trying to kill him, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>they were pretty impressive considering they didn't have eyes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, I don't know, I feel like getting to

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<v Speaker 2>the scene in the middle of them having sex and

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<v Speaker 2>orgasmine felt like cheating. Like we should have seen her initiate.

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<v Speaker 2>We should have seen that. We should have seen like

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<v Speaker 2>her soothing him and telling him everything's okay and bloody

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah, and he was the best empire there's ever been.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the way, like it kind of catches us

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<v Speaker 3>up on stuff. It's so like kind of nonchalant about

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<v Speaker 3>it in a way that like this is interesting, Like

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to marry someone and like break the genetic dynasty.

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<v Speaker 3>But they just casually mentioned that, and then we get

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<v Speaker 3>to it and then he's also in this you know

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<v Speaker 3>step mom porn as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Not step mom pork, that's one of the most popular

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<v Speaker 2>porns out there, you know. But Yeah, I would have

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<v Speaker 2>liked a little bit of worming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if we saw the conflict within him of like

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<v Speaker 3>deciding to alter their genetic dynasty or the.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing that was putting pressure on pressure on him him,

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<v Speaker 2>like systematically losing planet after planet and seeing the empire

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<v Speaker 2>shrink and the mindset change again, telling instead of showing sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and maybe that's why I'm a little more hesitant

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<v Speaker 3>on this episode. Is just like it's it's telling us

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<v Speaker 3>stuff to set the scene, and it's not that rewarding

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<v Speaker 3>in the way it's telling it right now. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>hoping that it's just like catching us up to where

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<v Speaker 3>we want to start the story for the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll see. I'm not holding my breast. But Gail

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<v Speaker 2>is dang nicely. I'm sorry. I was so proud of that.

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<v Speaker 3>So Gail is a mom now, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She has no advice, no information, just vague wordage and

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<v Speaker 2>a really sick accent that we don't know quite where

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<v Speaker 2>it's from, because I don't think those people from the

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<v Speaker 2>Ocean talk like that. She's like this Madonna, a girl

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<v Speaker 2>who came from Jersey, but all of a sudden she

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<v Speaker 2>has a British accent. I think that's her real accent,

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<v Speaker 2>like the actress. Yeah, but she came from a planet

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<v Speaker 2>where nobody else had that accent. She learned it in

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<v Speaker 2>a book. Yeah, Well, I guess she's like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the few people from that planet now, so they do

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<v Speaker 2>have that accent because she's one of two.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, as you were saying earlier, her reaction to

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<v Speaker 3>having a daughter that's older than her pretty just muted,

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of like she doesn't even want to attempt

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<v Speaker 3>to process it. She's just like not anytime that Salvo

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<v Speaker 3>tries to bring up the connections they have, she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be interesting if she was like withdrawn in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that was like more interesting, like you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about, instead.

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<v Speaker 3>Of no, it's not really, it's not like overwhelmed by it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like not like she's somewhat in denial of it having

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<v Speaker 3>like any meaning at all, but she's not in denial

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<v Speaker 3>of it being like true.

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<v Speaker 2>But like she traveled from outer space to this planet

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<v Speaker 2>to find this girl, and she's not finding any meaning

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<v Speaker 2>in it even though she did it. She's not like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I can't believe I've found you. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe this is happening, Like what are the odds? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>Or tell us the odds, bitch your math ho. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the most interesting thing she did was explain the

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<v Speaker 2>trajectory of the time of the human timeline.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we learned that we're reverering off course from

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<v Speaker 3>what Selden was trying to put in the motion. And

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<v Speaker 3>as they keep going off course, then might not ever

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<v Speaker 3>get back on course.

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<v Speaker 2>The importance of the course, you don't know, that's not explained.

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<v Speaker 2>Why it's so important to stay on course? What's his plan?

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't know it, We don't know it. Nobody knows it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ. This show is so infuriating. So what we

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<v Speaker 2>go off course? We're in a red timeline instead of

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<v Speaker 2>a blue timeline? Is that the bad thing? Because we're

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<v Speaker 2>we're crips, not bloods. What's going on? And I maybe

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<v Speaker 2>because there's more crisis crises in the in the red timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like because there was a little nodule after nodule

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<v Speaker 2>after nodule.

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<v Speaker 3>So the crises are things that I think can push

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<v Speaker 3>them further away away from what from So basically like

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<v Speaker 3>he predicted the fall of the empire and like the

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<v Speaker 3>fall up of humanity, the darkness that would come from

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<v Speaker 3>that before kind of humanity rebuilds itself to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not suffering anymore. Basically, and if they if they follow

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<v Speaker 3>the course that he's kind of predicted and set out,

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<v Speaker 3>then they can shorten the.

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<v Speaker 2>Timeline of suffering. The suffering. Yeah, that's you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to let nature take its course. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourteen hundreds, the plague wiped out like half

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<v Speaker 2>the population and Europe went back into the dark ages,

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<v Speaker 2>and it took them hundreds of years to recuperate. It

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<v Speaker 2>had to happen because people fucking died and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>recover from that. And right now it's been like five

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<v Speaker 2>years since we had a global pandemic and we are

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<v Speaker 2>still struggling to wrap our heads around the loss. We

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<v Speaker 2>can't cut that in half because we don't want to suffer.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, suffering is part of the like human code,

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<v Speaker 2>it's part of our existence. And the thing is we

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<v Speaker 2>create our own suffering through our inability to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>one another. So even if you solve the next crisis,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not solving the ineptitude of the human spirit to

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<v Speaker 2>be a selfish asshole and continue to pollute the world

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<v Speaker 2>and drop bombs on the brown like third world countries

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<v Speaker 2>and exploit people like you can try to solve the problem,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're not solving the root of the issue, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. This show is just like unrealistic, Like you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to solve a problem that's been existing. The humans

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<v Speaker 2>are the problem and the only way to solve the

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<v Speaker 2>human problem is to let them be extinct, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>not humanitarian. So I don't know, let it, let it

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<v Speaker 2>fear off course, fight like hell for what you have,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no way you can ever make it go

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<v Speaker 2>through a perfect course, Like there is no better timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the only timeline. What a fantasy. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a white man's fantasy for sure, to say we can

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<v Speaker 2>fix one little thing and we'll be back in the blue,

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<v Speaker 2>blue skies and rainbows. I don't like it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it. What do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering if you actually want to do every episode

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<v Speaker 3>of this?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, No, Yeah, it's I'm interested, But just this

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<v Speaker 2>show is really weird and like I want to like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It has elements that are there, but it's also such

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<v Speaker 2>high fantasy that it's not and it's not a fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>where I can like feel myself in it, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like, I don't know. We'll try another episode,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see how it goes. And again, this episode might

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<v Speaker 2>still be having the stink of last season on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but the premise of the show to say that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a better way for us to be that's always going

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<v Speaker 2>to be true. And the thing is that we're never

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<v Speaker 2>going to change the bad course we're on no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how many good people try to change it. There's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be bad people that are gonna fuck shit up for

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<v Speaker 2>all of us because they have more power, more money,

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<v Speaker 2>and more influence than the good people usually have. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's hard to believe in a future where

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<v Speaker 2>somebody like Gaeale and and the other one can can

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<v Speaker 2>fix it, you know what I mean, Like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these two girls who swim good, they're they're gonna fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>They both swim really well. And seeing black women in

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<v Speaker 2>water is something that needs to be more prevalent in

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<v Speaker 2>the media, I think, because there's like a stigma with

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<v Speaker 2>black people in water that has existed for a really

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<v Speaker 2>long time. And to see these two women swimming in

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<v Speaker 2>this beautiful, like clear blue water was really lovely and

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<v Speaker 2>almost treeing and they were saving themselves and cooperating. That

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<v Speaker 2>was like my favorite scene in this whole episode, Like

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<v Speaker 2>seeing them swimming through uh the spaceship and saving themselves

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<v Speaker 2>out of a hurricane. That was really powerful. That was

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<v Speaker 2>like the most powerful scene. And like I said, there

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<v Speaker 2>was no dialogue and so like it was an action

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<v Speaker 2>scene that had to deep impact on the visuals that

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<v Speaker 2>were being represented.

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<v Speaker 3>Any other positives, positives.

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<v Speaker 2>I really liked it when the cloud people came to

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<v Speaker 2>with their cloudy outfits and their hands up like drag queens.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like serving, They're like walking down the runway, turn turn.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the gift that they presented.

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<v Speaker 3>I like how Brother Dusk, who has been kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like grumpy the whole episode, he suddenly nerds out over

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<v Speaker 3>all this pigment they brought.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So I think it's like a thing that happens

422
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<v Speaker 2>with these uh the Emperor Empire is when you become Dusk,

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<v Speaker 2>you become obsessed with a mural because this's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be a different homie. Yeah, but it's their job to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain the mural. Yeah, building, And I wish, like I

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<v Speaker 2>really loved that part where they presented the pigment, but

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<v Speaker 2>because of the properties of the pigment, I wish that

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<v Speaker 2>they would have shown him touching it and it reacting

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<v Speaker 2>and shifting and moving the way that they've shown it

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<v Speaker 2>in the past. That was like a really big missed

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity on the visual effects team, I think, because like,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole vibe of this show is like sand moving

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<v Speaker 2>through time and all this shit, So it would have

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<v Speaker 2>been cool to evoke that visual with Brother Dusk, just

435
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<v Speaker 2>like touching the pigment and being like in awe of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the gift they gave back was lame, was super lame.

437
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<v Speaker 2>It was a paperweight right of their shrunken empire. And

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<v Speaker 2>she called it out. She's like, oh, is this the

439
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<v Speaker 2>vision you have of yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Thought the empire's a little bigger than this.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was looking down at his penis too so.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he rudely gets interrupted by the robot lady

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, hey, come over.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, and like, well, yes, she had important information. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't see why it couldn't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, actually, if they're saying, especially if they're saying, well,

447
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<v Speaker 2>let's let them stay hidden. Yeah, that was like the

448
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<v Speaker 2>conclusion of that let's not do anything yet. Yeah, so let

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<v Speaker 2>me let me be super rude to my potential bride

450
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<v Speaker 2>to be, who's gonna fix all my problems and my

451
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<v Speaker 2>pr problems, Like she's gonna fix my public image. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me run away from her and and leave her in

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<v Speaker 2>a room alone with all my co conspirators to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about some random planet that I'm going to be like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's leave it alone. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was a robot. What's her name, Demersal?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think she was Jelly Demersal. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she was like, I'm going to get my

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<v Speaker 3>man out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>My boyfriend's son, Yes, my step son. That's so nasty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Man, Like, I really want to like

462
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<v Speaker 2>this show, but a big part of me is just like,

463
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<v Speaker 2>in order for you to fall for the fantasy, a

464
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<v Speaker 2>part of you has to be like deeply committed to it.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why Star Wars works for me

466
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<v Speaker 2>is because it's a show about corruption and and and

467
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<v Speaker 2>like deceit and how there's the duality of man exists

468
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<v Speaker 2>and how we struggle with that duality. And uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a sector of people rebelling against the evils of

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<v Speaker 2>the world, and they're small in numbers, but there their

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<v Speaker 2>fight is justified, and that's that feels real because that's

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the past. You know, there a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the the Sith lords and all that shit. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>like modeled after Nazi Germany, a real historical event with

475
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<v Speaker 2>real casualties and real people. So it's just like, what

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<v Speaker 2>what did this guy who wrote the foundation? Where was

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<v Speaker 2>he bringing? Like what was his inspiration? Like I can't

478
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<v Speaker 2>imagine after World War Two that you believed in a

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<v Speaker 2>better world because you lived through the real life hell

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<v Speaker 2>and so I don't know, Like I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I can fall into this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>saving humanity from itself in a way that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>alter the course of a timeline. It's just a really

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<v Speaker 2>hard sell for somebody who's been through what we've all

485
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<v Speaker 2>been through. A majority of the world is spurning and

486
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<v Speaker 2>we can't put it out, not with our tears. You

487
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<v Speaker 2>can cry all we want. And that's like it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been cool if that's what Gail said, Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just two girls, We're just two women. What are

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<v Speaker 2>we supposed to do? I don't believe in this either,

491
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<v Speaker 2>Like that would have been realistic, that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>interesting that she was, but that she still chooses to

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<v Speaker 2>go forward and try to find the cause and try

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. But saying I don't think this is real,

495
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<v Speaker 2>or I don't think this is going to work, or

496
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's possible, but I'm going to try.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been authentic to a real human experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm just I'm missing the human. I'm

499
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<v Speaker 2>missing the human in this and it's sad because I

500
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<v Speaker 2>like that's like the point of science fiction is to

501
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<v Speaker 2>point out the flaws and humanity and give us a

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<v Speaker 2>satire or a different perspective. And it's just I can't

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<v Speaker 2>see it. I can't see it, and I don't I

504
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 2>would love to get it from Like I would love

505
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<v Speaker 2>to have somebody who could tell me how this is

506
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<v Speaker 2>working for them. I would love to be like, oh, yeah,

507
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, like this show, I don't get it, and

508
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<v Speaker 2>then they explain it to me in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>makes the human. But I don't even know anybody who

510
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<v Speaker 2>watches the show, right, Like maybe there's a forum, a

511
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<v Speaker 2>Reddit thread or something, but I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready to choose your astral Queen?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Can you go first? I didn't like any of

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<v Speaker 2>these toes. Actually, I know who I want to pick.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to pick the sassy cloud queen. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>good choice. Yeah. She had but two minutes of screen time,

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<v Speaker 2>and she made the most impact and the most emotional

519
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<v Speaker 2>uh like performance in the episode. She gave emotion, she

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<v Speaker 2>gave sass, She criticized an emperor. She knows she has

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<v Speaker 2>the upper hand on so I pick her. And she

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<v Speaker 2>was dressed really well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good choice. I'm not going to pick

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<v Speaker 3>any of the emperors. Well, I'm always interested in the robot.

525
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<v Speaker 3>She was weird this episode, and we didn't get much

526
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<v Speaker 3>on the foundation. We're just like, oh, something's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe what was with that guy that they found floating

528
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<v Speaker 2>in space? Too? Was that Gails are what's her name's boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't ask me that? Okay, you don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it was. I thought it was because remember he

531
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<v Speaker 2>floated away, but then he came back, didn't he? I

532
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<v Speaker 2>don't remember? Never mind? Go ahead, who's your astro queen? Um?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it Gail probably Sell? Okay, that's her name. I

534
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<v Speaker 2>can't pronounce that.

535
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<v Speaker 3>Just because she had more like energy, yeah, more realistic

536
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<v Speaker 3>emotions around that interaction.

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<v Speaker 2>She also got up early in the morning and caught breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>What's Gail doing on a planet she's never been to before? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well then that wraps us up for season two,

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<v Speaker 3>episode one. Next time we will cover episode two, which

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<v Speaker 3>is titled A Glimpse of Darkness, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>spacing out with us, and remember to respect and enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>the piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for spacing out with Peb and Jason. You

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<v Speaker 1>can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive

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<v Speaker 1>rating or review. Remember you can contact us through email

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<v Speaker 1>or social media. Next time, we will cover Foundation season two,

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<v Speaker 1>episode two, A Glimpse of Darkness,