WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.400 What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:09.080 There is no doubt at this point that Jeffrey Epstein 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:13.439 received special treatment throughout his whole entire life, basically, but 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:19.320 especially during that first run for the prosecution. And it 5 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:23.120 wasn't just people on the outside saying it. It was judges, 6 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:28.679 it was police officers, FBI agents, and all of their 7 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:32.240 concerns fell on deaf years as Jeffrey Epstein was able 8 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.000 to just skate right in to the plea deal and 9 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.000 do whatever he wanted, basically when he should have been 10 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:41.119 locked away in a state prison, as you all know, 11 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.520 instead he did his time in a stockade where he 12 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:47.880 was basically alone. And not only that, he was able 13 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:52.119 to spend basically every day out at quote unquote work, 14 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:56.240 which we know as BS. Considering we've already talked about 15 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.960 how police officers tried to hit him with parole violations 16 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:04.359 and those parole violations were declined by his parole officer. 17 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:09.640 So it's just been a circular layer of shit when 18 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:13.040 it comes to Epstein and the way he's been protected throughout. 19 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:15.719 So today I thought we'd go all the way back 20 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.359 to two thousand and eight and talk about his original 21 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.760 conviction and what went down in that courtroom. And to 22 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:25.959 do that, we have an article from the New York 23 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.599 Post from two thousand and eight, right after his conviction. 24 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:36.760 This article was authored by Samuel Goldsmith. Headline, Jeffrey Epstein 25 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:41.280 pleads guilty to prostitution charges. I mean, right off the bat, 26 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:47.040 prostitution charges. Huh, that's all this guy got, prostitution charges. Meanwhile, 27 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.680 a child can't be a prostitute. How can a child 28 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:53.680 consent to have sex with a scumbag like this? They cannot, 29 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:56.120 So how can you tell me that there's a child 30 00:01:56.239 --> 00:02:03.799 prostitution charge? The fuck does that even mean? Investment banker, 31 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.439 science patron, self made billionaire, philanthropist and former math teacher, 32 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.719 as well as pedophile, scumbag, piece of shit, human excrement, 33 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:16.960 you know, all the rest of it. Jeffrey Epstein can 34 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.039 add a new title to his impressive resume, convicted sex offender. 35 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.639 That's the perfect title for this guy, convicted sex offender. 36 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.319 The only thing that was a joke is the fact 37 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.360 that he didn't have to live up to what people 38 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.360 on that registry have to live up too. First of all, 39 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.360 he never even had to register as an offender. In 40 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:41.000 New Mexico. So right off the bat, you say to yourself, well, 41 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:44.280 what's the point. I thought it was this national registry 42 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.400 and it was going to be taken seriously. Well, he 43 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.280 didn't check in in New York. Really down in Florida, 44 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:53.840 well they lost paperwork. And in New Mexico, forget it. 45 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:59.039 He wasn't even considered a sex offender. The Manhattan money 46 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.599 Man pedophile appear in the Florida courthouse today where he 47 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.479 pleaded guilty to soliciting an underage prostitute. How the hell 48 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.560 is that even possible? Please, somebody tell me. I hate 49 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.599 to digress here, but man, oh man, there's no such 50 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:16.000 thing as an underage prostitute. Imagine it was your daughter 51 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.360 that this dude molested and the police came to you 52 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.879 and said, oh, we're gonna hit him with underage prostitution charges. 53 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.599 What what does that mean? You mean you're gonna hit 54 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:32.960 him with child molestation charges? Right? He immediately began serving 55 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.960 an eighteen month jail term, which will be followed by 56 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:40.039 one year of community confinement, which is essentially house arrest. 57 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.599 And he didn't adhere to any of these rules. We 58 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:46.919 just did an article. We just talked about how he 59 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.479 was walking down the street in Palm Beach and a 60 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.639 cop rolled up on him, tried to hit him with 61 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:58.319 a parle violation, and was stopped at every turn. As 62 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.280 a result of the plea Dealstein fifty five will be 63 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:04.879 placed on the National Sex Offender Registry. Sounds like a 64 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.240 good idea and sounds like a good move, but then 65 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.039 we come to find out, all these years later that 66 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.120 it didn't do anything. He was still molesting girls, still 67 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:17.639 raping girls, and still abusing people all the way up 68 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.519 to his second arrest. According to multiple reports, and according 69 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.519 to the Attorney General of at least the Virgin Islands, 70 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.079 they will be tracking you for the rest of your life. 71 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:33.720 Circuit Court Deborah del Puccio said, for the period of 72 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:38.279 his home confinement, Epstein cannot view or possess any pornography 73 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:43.000 relevant to his deviant behavior patterns. Pucillo said, before deciding 74 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:46.399 to bar him from looking at any porn at all. Well, 75 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.360 that's kind of difficult, considering his whole entire house is 76 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.480 covered with it. All of his decor is naked girls 77 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.720 and young girls top lists. Did you guys go in 78 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:58.000 there and pull all those pictures down? Did anyone ever 79 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.720 show up and chin check them over it. Oh, of 80 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.920 course not. See, this is what I'm talking about. With 81 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:08.120 platitudes and flowery words. It's all fine and well, and 82 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.879 it sounds great and feels great when they're telling us 83 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:14.040 this shit, But the reality is they don't ever follow through, 84 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.920 and the federal government lets people like Epstein slide all 85 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:23.959 the time. Epstein, dressed in South Florida formal wear jeans, 86 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.959 white sneakers, a button down shirt, and blue blazer, refused 87 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.439 to talk to reporters on his way into the courthouse 88 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:34.319 and made notes statement in court. You know, it's not 89 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:37.199 very often that we can look back and see a 90 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:41.720 situation unfold the way the Epstein situation unfolded right before 91 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.160 our eyes. And while it's all happening, it's easy to 92 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.319 just get caught up and say, oh, this is a coincidence. 93 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.000 That's a coincidence. But really, when you look at the 94 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.639 big picture here, how can anyone look at this and 95 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.240 say that Epstein didn't catch a sweetheart deal, that there 96 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:02.399 wasn't all sorts of negligent behavior by the government from 97 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.759 the DOJ to the state level. How can you look 98 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:11.800 at this and say that his spokesman Howard Rubinstein said, 99 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:16.319 mister Epstein accepted responsibility for the charges relating to conduct 100 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.040 that occurred several years ago and fully resolved his case. Yeah, 101 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.639 he fully resolved this case. Huh, everything's all good, Howard Rubinstein, 102 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.319 Your guy is not an absolute monster, prolific sex predator 103 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:33.079 that never happened. Under the terms of the plea deal, 104 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.319 Epstein will have to undergo an HIV test by Wednesday, 105 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.279 with the results being handed over to his survivor, identified 106 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.120 in court papers as Jane Doe. So this sick, dirty 107 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.879 bastard had to take an HIV test as well and 108 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.959 hand it over. Now, we all know that Epstein was 109 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.560 a sick, disgusting, disturbed individual, and we know that the 110 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.240 things he was doing and making these children are literally 111 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.839 some of the most disgusting acts that you can imagine. 112 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:10.680 And yet he was able to get away with all 113 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.879 of this and barely gets slapped on the wrist when 114 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.920 he was caught. So you take a look at how 115 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.839 things went down, and you tell me what you think, 116 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.639 because personally, I have zero faith in any of these 117 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:27.639 institutions at this point. And the scariest part is, even 118 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.399 when this has been brought to their attention. They haven't 119 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.720 done anything to go back and resolve this or fix it. 120 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.759 Instead they tell us, ask screw it. The plea deal's 121 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.480 going to stand, and that's just the end of it. 122 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.199 Doe was a fourteen year old high school student when 123 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.000 Epstein paid her two hundred dollars for a massage at 124 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.600 his Palm Beach mansion in early two thousand and five. 125 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.600 In court papers, she said he used a vibrator on 126 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:57.120 her while he masturbated. So fourteen years old and this 127 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.079 guy gets the slap on the wrist that he got. 128 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:02.720 And again it wasn't one fourteen year old. It wasn't 129 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:05.279 you know. Someone provided him this girl. He had no 130 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.879 idea what her age was. He was looking for girls 131 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.079 this age. This is what he wanted. This is what 132 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:15.560 his thing was, is kink. The guilty plea came after 133 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.279 protracted negotiations and a lengthy investigation by Palm Beach police 134 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.439 who were investigating the virtual congo line of young women 135 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.319 that Epstein had going in and out of his thirteen 136 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:29.600 thousand square foot mansion. So they're saying in the article 137 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:34.480 here a congo line of women, Okay, young women. What 138 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.559 you really should be saying is a congo line of children, 139 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:43.600 because that's what it was. Epstein, who's rubbed elbows with 140 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.600 the likes of Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Donald Trump 141 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.360 over the years, could have faced up to five years 142 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:53.600 in prison if convicted at trial. Five years huh. Meanwhile, 143 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:57.159 my loved one went and did eighty four months over 144 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.759 some illegal gambling. Give me a fucking break, Okay, you 145 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:04.840 tell me the justice system isn't absolutely broken. A guy 146 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.320 like this is only staring at five. You're only gonna 147 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.080 hang a five piece on Jeffrey Epstein's bitch ass. How 148 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:16.279 about a few zeros after that five? Please? The judge 149 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.559 was critical of two of the deal's conditions, indicating she 150 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.600 thought he was getting special treatment by being allowed private 151 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.399 counseling for his sex offender treatment and to serve his 152 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:29.159 time in county jail instead of state prison. Huh So 153 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.720 another judge thinks he was getting special treatment here, huh? 154 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:38.320 Not just me and you. Hmm, that's interesting. You feel 155 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:42.519 this fancy pansy private psychiatrist is an adequate in lieu 156 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:47.000 of a sex offender treatment program, She asked prosecutor Lana Bella, 157 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:52.399 ho jesus, Lana Bela Hallavic, Yes, your honor, Yes, your honor, 158 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.440 Bella Hallavic said. As for sending him to jail, Puccio said, 159 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.279 there's significant budget cuts in the county already, and sending 160 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.679 him to the county jail and not the Department of 161 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:06.960 Corrections is a significant cost to the taxpayer and the county. 162 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.960 Are you sure that's what you want to do? I 163 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:16.600 mean really, and remember this name, okay. Lana Belaholavic, when 164 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.559 asked if she thought that it was appropriate for him 165 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.919 to be part of this program, she says, yes, your honor. 166 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:27.480 Of course, the prosecution failed. The prosecution could have sent 167 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:34.120 old boy up the river. They did not. Both Bellohovic 168 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.799 and Epstein lawyer Jeffrey Goldberg said yes, And the judge 169 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:40.720 rolled her eyes as she granted the request. Why would 170 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.759 she grant their request? Why would Judge Puccio grant the request? Here? 171 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:46.799 Just say no, he's going to the lock up. That's 172 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:51.960 the end of it. Pucchio, Bard, Epstein or anyone on 173 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.440 his behalf from trying to reach out to the survivor 174 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.279 and order that he stay away from schools and playgrounds 175 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:00.480 after his release. He'll also have to submit to warrantless 176 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:04.480 searches of his home, car, body, and computer. On his 177 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.000 way to court, Epstein was served with a copy of 178 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.240 a big buck lawsuit by Doe, who since moved to 179 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:14.879 another state, and obviously now in retrospect, we know that 180 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:20.559 that Doe was Virginia. The sex assault suit was filed 181 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.480 months ago, but Epstein had been evading service, said Doe's lawyer, 182 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:29.399 Theodore Leopold. He said his client respects what the prosecutor's 183 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.159 office has done and is doing the best she can 184 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.480 under the circumstances. Well, I wonder if she'd feel the 185 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:39.080 same now, because I'm guessing, not considering all we know 186 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.360 about the prosecution, their negligence, and their willingness to help 187 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.200 a guy like Epstein, I don't know how anyone could 188 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.679 be confident here, and all kidding aside. If I was 189 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.679 one of these survivors, I'd sue the federal government the 190 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.799 same way that Larry Nasser's survivors are suing the FBI. 191 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.960 I would do the same thing here. Epstein's legal team 192 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.639 had tried to paint the girl as an untrustworthy and 193 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.759 troubled scam artist from a troubled family, but doesn't today 194 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.600 sort of say it all, Leopold said, he's going to 195 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.159 be deemed sex offender and pedophile for the rest of 196 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.919 his life, and that speaks volumes about what really happened here. 197 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.840 And it was just the scratch of the surface, right 198 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.679 the tip of the iceberg. This man was up to 199 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.919 such devious shit that later on, when we all found out, 200 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.759 it was so disgusting that we're still talking about it 201 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.639 now every day, three years later. That's how significant his 202 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:38.759 disgusting behavior was, and that's what the federal courts continued 203 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:43.360 to let him do. Basically, while the civil deal brought 204 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.200 an end to the federal investigation into excuse me, while 205 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.679 the plea deal brought an end to the federal investigation 206 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.759 into Epstein, he's still facing a string of civil suits 207 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.440 from Doe and other young women who claim he took 208 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:59.039 advantage of what they thought would be innocent massages. Jeffrey Herman, 209 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.559 who's representing two other survivors, said the guilty plea is 210 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:06.320 a very positive development for the civil cases and in 211 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:09.519 some measure of justice for these girls. And we know 212 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.600 it's not though, really, when it comes down to it, 213 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.120 Epstein was paying out a few bucks, but he wasn't 214 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:21.799 facing real justice. Epstein maintains he thought all the girls 215 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.000 who were brought over to his house were eighteen or 216 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.200 over and that they knew the massages would be erotic. 217 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.559 Oh yeah, erotic. Yeah, they knew. Thirteen fourteen year old 218 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:35.080 girls knew that. Han Jeffrey, a newly released inmate from 219 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.679 the stockade the jail where Epstein will live for the 220 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.600 next eighteen months, said he's very lucky not to be 221 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.840 going to state prison. No shit, he would have got 222 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.919 tooled up if he went to state prison. He's probably 223 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:49.799 better off here, the man said. If there's someone who 224 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:52.480 did something with kids or any sex crimes, they get 225 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.039 fucked up there. He probably would get killed over there 226 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.399 for messing with the little girl. And look, we all 227 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.679 know that's how the jails go. Epstein lucked out once again, 228 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.039 was able to go to the stockade and have all 229 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.159 of this special treatment. So once again, folks, just another 230 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.960 spotlight on how it all went down, and a quick 231 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.200 trip back in the time machine to the actual sentencing 232 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.720 to where we hear another judge yet again say Epstein 233 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.559 caught a sweetheart deal, yet the government refuses to do 234 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.320 anything about it, and in fact just like the article 235 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.799 we talked about yesterday. Well, they say that there is 236 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:31.639 no redress and that the plea deal will stand. I say, 237 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:36.320 that's a bunch of bullshit. All right, folks, it's gonna 238 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.399 do it for this one. If you'd like to contact me, 239 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.240 you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. 240 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:48.080 That's Bo Bby c apu Cci at ProtonMail dot com. 241 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.879 You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore 242 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:57.200 c ap u Cci. The link that I discussed can 243 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.919 be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and 244 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.919 welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. When Jeffrey 245 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.879 Epstein was first arrested in two thousand and eight down 246 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:13.600 in Florida, the state called several witnesses to give depositions 247 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:18.879 about what Jeffrey Epstein allegedly did. Well. In this episode, 248 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.159 we're going to take a look at one of those 249 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:25.120 depositions from one of the accusers from that original case 250 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.600 in two thousand and eight, and I want you to 251 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:30.360 pay close attention to the way that they're deposing this 252 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.639 young lady who is like fourteen or fifteen years old, 253 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.679 And of course this all plays into the NPA argument 254 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.360 and how Jeffrey Epstein ended up with that sweetheart deal. 255 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:45.919 So let's get to it. State of Florida versus Jeffrey 256 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:52.440 Epstein deposition of redacted, Wednesday, February twentieth, two thousand and eight. 257 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:58.480 And the person asking questions is mister Michael Tyne. So 258 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.240 when I say question, that's what I'm talking about. And 259 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:05.240 when I say answer, I mean the witness who's being deposed, 260 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.600 And if somebody else pipes in, I'll make sure to 261 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.200 notate that so we can keep track of who's talking. 262 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.639 All right, So let's get to it. Question, good afternoon. 263 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:21.399 Please tell me your full name? Answer redacted? Question can 264 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.879 you please spell it? Answer redacted? Question? Thank you? May 265 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:31.120 I call you? Redacted? Answer? Uh huh, question redacted. I'm 266 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:34.039 going to ask you a few questions, several questions today. 267 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.639 If at any time you want to take a break, 268 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:41.039 you just let me know. Okay, answer okay. Question. If 269 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.240 you at any time don't understand one of my questions, 270 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.679 will you just please let me know? Answer yes question. 271 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:50.600 And if at any time you're not feeling well or 272 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:54.840 something like that, you'll tell us right answer yes question. 273 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:59.559 Do you feel okay today? Answer yes, question not taking 274 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:03.559 any oulcohol or drugs or anything like that. Right answer no. 275 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:07.000 Question So you feel ready to have your deposition taken? 276 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:12.440 Answer yes? Question redacted? What is your address? Answer? I'm 277 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.799 currently living at my aunt's house and I don't know 278 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.119 it off the top of my head. Question where's it at? 279 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.839 Answer in Jupiter? Question who's your aunt? Answer redacted? Question 280 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:28.359 who else is living there? Answer redacted? My uncle? Question 281 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:33.039 anyone else living there? Answer no. Question The contempt motion 282 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.400 that your mother filed against your father regarding your fifty 283 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:40.000 million dollar lawsuit against Jeffrey Epstein says you live with 284 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.519 your aunt and uncle and have been living there. Is 285 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:46.480 that correct? Answer yes. Question how long have you been 286 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.559 living with your aunt and uncle? Answer since my father 287 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:53.680 kicked me out. Question that was Thanksgiving of this past year. 288 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:59.200 Answer yes, sir. Question Okay, didn't your firefighter boyfriend redacted 289 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.680 getting apart been for the two of you? Answer no, sir, 290 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.480 he has an apartment, but by himself. Question did he 291 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.240 get an apartment for the two of you to live in? 292 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:12.240 Answer no, sir. Question are you planning to move in 293 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.359 with them? Answer maybe one day in the future. Question 294 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:20.200 do you plan to move in with them presently? Answer no. Question. 295 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:23.400 Have you been to the apartment that you and redacted 296 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:27.359 discuss moving into? Answer? I have been to the apartment? 297 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:33.000 Question where is that? Answer Palm Beach Lakes? Question have 298 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.279 you spent the night over there? Answer no, sir, question 299 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:40.359 do you know the addresser? Answer I do not. Question 300 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.319 isn't your sister redacted planning on living with you and redacted? 301 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:49.960 Answer no? Question redacted? You know that this court case 302 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:54.839 is a criminal prosecution correct answer correct question. And you 303 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:57.599 know that it's a criminal prosecution against a man who 304 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:01.039 has no criminal background? Do you know that? Answer? I 305 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:04.359 do now. Question you agree that court is a very 306 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:09.279 serious matter? Answer yes, question, and you're here with your 307 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:13.400 lawyer in mister Leopold right answer yes question. And you 308 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.200 know that mister leopol recently filed a lawsuit in federal 309 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:20.519 court against Jeffrey Epstein seeking fifty million dollars And to that, 310 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:25.799 mister Leopold, the lawyer objects redacted. Let me instruct you. 311 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.799 Anything that you have learned through conversations between you and 312 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.559 me are protected. So if you know any of the 313 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:35.160 information outside of those discussions, you may answer. But if 314 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.839 the only way you know it is through our discussions, 315 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.119 do not answer that question. Mister Tyan once again asked 316 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.119 you know that mister Leopold recently filed a lawsuit in 317 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.240 federal court on your behalf against Jeffrey Epstein seeking fifty 318 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.079 million dollars. Mister Leopold, same objection. If you know the 319 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.920 answer to the outside of our discussions, you may answer. 320 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.279 If it is the only way that you know the 321 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.359 answer is through our discussions, do not add answer that 322 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:06.240 question the witness. Okay, mister Leopold, attorney client privilege, mister 323 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.519 Tyne question, You can answer the question unless mister Leopold. 324 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:15.519 Same objection, mister Tyne. Let me finish, mister Leopold. Excuse 325 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.799 me where mister Tynan interrupts him. No, let me finish, 326 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.799 mister Leopold, Lewis, We're not going to do that, mister Tyne. 327 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:28.559 My name is not Lewis. I'm going to finish my question. Okay, 328 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.759 mister Leopold, Do not answer until you hear from me. 329 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.559 Mister Tyne. Question, other than conversations that you've had with 330 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:40.000 mister Leopold, I'm not asking about that. Are you aware 331 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.880 that mister Leopold has filed the lawsuit in federal court 332 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:46.680 seeking fifty million dollars from Jeffrey Epstein on your behalf, 333 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.920 Mister Leopold, same objection. Anything that you learn through conversations 334 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:55.279 between you and me, do not answer. Those are protected. 335 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:57.880 If you know through any other realm of knowledge, you 336 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:03.039 may answer the witness no, mister Tyne question. You have 337 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:05.920 no idea that mister Leopold filed a fifty million dollar 338 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:10.559 lawsuit on your behalf against Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Leopold, same objection. 339 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.960 Do not answer that question. If it's through discussions that 340 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.519 you and I had outside of that, you may answer. So, 341 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.559 do not answer the question if that is the only 342 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:24.480 basis by which you understand that answer the witness, no 343 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.880 question by mister Tyne. You didn't know that, mister Leopold. 344 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:34.079 Don't answer that question. Again, it's attorney client privilege. Any 345 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.240 information that you've learned through conversations between you and I 346 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.720 are protected. If you know it through an other realm, 347 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.720 you may answer, mister Tyne. Are you going to say 348 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:48.240 that for every question in the deposition, mister Leopold. Mister Leopold, 349 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.400 when you ask him proper questions like that, without the 350 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:54.839 proper to that he's interrupted by mister Tyne, you're going 351 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:59.079 to stop speaking objections right now. Okay, mister Leopold without 352 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:03.359 the proper again interrupted, mister Tyne, you need to stop 353 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:08.680 your speaking objections. Let's continue, mister Leopold. Counsel, you just 354 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.839 asked me a question and I'm going to state it 355 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.079 on the record. Mister Tyne, you need to stop your 356 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:19.200 speaking objections. Check your rules. Mister Leopold, excuse me for 357 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.400 the record. Council ask me a question, I'll state the 358 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.599 answer on the record. He asked me the question, and 359 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.359 I'm going to be answering this way throughout the deposition. 360 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.559 So long as there is a proper foundation and predicate 361 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.160 asked by the attorney, I will protect my client and 362 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.279 make the record where appropriate. If counsel wishes to ask 363 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.319 an appropriate worded question with a proper foundation and predicate, 364 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.000 I will certainly allow the client to answer the question. 365 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.720 Mister Goldberger, why don't you just state attorney client privilege 366 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:50.880 and just be done with it, mister Leopold. I want 367 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:53.920 the record to be clear. Mister Tyne. You want to 368 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.000 waste time is what you want to do. You are 369 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.480 supposed to be here this morning, and you totally broke 370 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.839 the deal, the agreement you had with us if your 371 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.119 hearing got canceled. But let's move on and maybe you'll 372 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:09.519 stop obstructing this deposition. Mister Leopold, I think the record 373 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.279 is very clear where I stand thus far. Is there 374 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:15.599 a recording taken of this deposition? The court reporter, Yes, 375 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:21.440 mister Leopold, just make sure that's preserved. Mister Tyne. Question, 376 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:25.240 go to exhibit twenty dash zero one. Well, before you 377 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.960 do that, redacted, are you aware that a lawyer named 378 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:31.359 Jeffrey Herman filed a lawsuit on your behalf. Yes or no, 379 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:35.279 mister Leopold, objection any conversation that you and I have 380 00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:37.880 had regarding that. If that is the only way by 381 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.599 which you understand how to answer that question, do not answer. 382 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.799 It's attorney client privilege, as well as any conversations you 383 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.640 may have had with the attorney from Miami. This is 384 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.200 also attorney client privilege. And I'm assuming he's cut off 385 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.799 again by mister Tyne. You're actually wrong about that attorney 386 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:59.839 client privilege, mister Leopold. I'm assuming Council is not asking 387 00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:03.079 you to divulge attorney client mister Tyne. Of course not, 388 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.759 mister Tyne. Question redacted. Are you aware that Jeffrey Herman, 389 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.480 an attorney, filed a fifty million dollar lawsuit on your 390 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:16.519 behalf against Jeffrey Epstein? Yes or no, mister Leopold, same objection, 391 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:22.000 mister Tyne. We've heard the objection ten times already, mister Leopold. Counsel, 392 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.519 excuse me, mister Tyne, just say attorney client privilege. Stop 393 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.839 interrupting my questions, mister Leopold. I'm entitled to make an 394 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.759 objection for the record, which I'm doing, and they'll make 395 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.160 the same objection and if it calls for attorney client privilege, 396 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.880 any conversation you and I have had, do not answer 397 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:43.000 the question, And I think that it might be appropriate 398 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.440 for the record to ask questions via adacted as opposed 399 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.759 to or adacted. I think that it would be more 400 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.240 appropriate for this deposition. Mister Tyne. Question, go ahead, Please 401 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.559