WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.640 Hello, and welcome to another student takeover episode of the 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:07.679 Sociology Show podcast. This episode has come in from Shenzen 3 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:11.240 College of International Education in China and has been sent 4 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:14.359 in by Cecilia and Miles or is that really their 5 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:18.000 names or will be revealed in a little moment. First 6 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.039 of all, before we get onto that, just to let 7 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:23.359 you know that the Sociology Show podcast now offers online tutoring. 8 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:27.000 Whether you want a single session, weekly sessions, multiple sessions, 9 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:29.120 whatever it might be. You can book a one hour, 10 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:31.879 one hour and a half or two hour session. 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Take a listen and if I like it, 21 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.959 if it's really good, then a bit like this episode, 22 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.239 then I can put it out as an episode for you. 23 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.760 So I mentioned this episode then, So the full title 24 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:13.680 of this one is the use of English names amongst 25 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:17.200 Chinese International school students and this is sent him by 26 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:20.040 Cecilia Ramles. Not their real names. They will reveal all 27 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.200 in this episode in a moment, and they are from 28 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.400 Shenzhen College of International Education in China. Enjoy. 29 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:33.599 Hi everyone, we are students studying in level sociology from 30 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:38.040 Hindun College of International Education. My name is Cecilia and 31 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:40.480 my Chinese name is shu Junju. 32 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.879 Hi. Everyone am Miles Lee. Oh, my Chinese name is Jhara. 33 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.959 It actually sounds quite weird why we introduce ourselves with 34 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.599 both Chinese names and English names. 35 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.879 Yes, indeed, Miles, have you ever thought about that? How 36 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:01.200 interesting it is that we always college under English names. 37 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:05.040 For example, I call you Miles and you call me Cecilia, 38 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.120 despite that we both are Chinese. 39 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:09.479 Yeah, that's true. 40 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:14.360 And I've noticed that not only we, most of the 41 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.840 students here like in this international school call each other 42 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:22.840 English names. So I remember before we enter this international college, 43 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.000 the school asked us to put down our English name 44 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:30.400 in our profile rather than our Chinese name. So probably 45 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.719 because the place or the institution that we live in 46 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.360 requires us to do so. So, therefore, not only our classmates, 47 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.919 the teachers, and sometimes our parents call us an English name. 48 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:48.439 Yes, that's the case. I think to avoid mispronunciation by 49 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:51.800 foreign teachers is the main purpose of the school, right, 50 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:53.520 I guess. 51 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:56.800 Yeah, that sounds yeah, that sounds quite interesting. 52 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.479 But when I take a step back, some times I 53 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:03.879 find it actually quite weird seeing a group of Chinese 54 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:08.400 students and some Chinese teachers calling each other's English name. 55 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:10.960 Don't you I always. 56 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.520 Feel the same. Actually, I've even conducted a research on 57 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:18.080 this topic. So early in the year, I did a 58 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:22.520 survey amount of international students in my rechhat groups and moments. 59 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.400 Oh really, what's the survey about? 60 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:32.240 Based on pre observation, I used two skills to explore 61 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:38.199 students' experiences in such a scenario within Chinese International High School, 62 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:44.319 specifically focusing on the aspect of cultural identity by examining 63 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.520 the correlation between English name usage and the three of 64 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:50.520 Chinese cultural identification. 65 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.159 But that sounds fun. What's the result? 66 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.800 Well, I'll start with the results of two separate skills. 67 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:07.240 There are both five point like skill uses a five 68 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:12.159 answer point, including a main point or a neutral point, 69 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:19.439 to assess a respondent's opinions. Participants rate the degree of 70 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.959 how much the statement fits their condition. One is completely 71 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:30.319 disagree and five is strongly agreed. One skill is an 72 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:36.040 English name usage questionnaire with mainly two dimensions. One is 73 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:41.399 daily usage and the other is in deferent condition. Daily 74 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:46.399 usage includes some questions like do you how often do 75 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:50.839 you use your Chinese like? I mean you always use 76 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.759 your English name when talking to your friends and you 77 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.959 introduce yourself with English name. The dimension of indeferent condition 78 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:05.120 include questions like do you prefer your English name rather 79 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:08.279 than your Chinese name? Do you think there's like a 80 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:09.399 strong attachment to. 81 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:10.120 Your English name. 82 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:16.120 I found that the dimensional daily usage has a higher 83 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:22.279 score than in the recognition. This demonstrates the instrumental properties 84 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.759 of the names rather than a source of identity. 85 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.759 I think, oh, so, like, what do you think What 86 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.519 do you mean by instrumental properties of the name. 87 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:37.279 I think it means that using an English name is 88 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:44.720 more of a daily practice. Yes, And another skill calper 89 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:50.920 identity skill. I think there's no significant difference between the 90 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:57.399 two dimensions. One is emotional commitment and behavioral exploration. I 91 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:02.639 mean there's no difference of the scores the results of 92 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:08.120 the three dimensions. So overall, this particular statistic shows it 93 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:12.800 commonly identified Chinese cultural identity, both in a way that 94 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:19.199 people are attached to Chinese culture and that people are 95 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:24.199 willing to further explore and advocate for the culture. 96 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:29.680 Oh, I see, And I've noticed that the focus of 97 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:34.240 the research is about the correlation between the cultural identity 98 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:39.720 of Chinese cultural identification and English name usage. And actually, 99 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:43.399 I wonder what's what about the correlation examination? 100 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:44.759 What's the result about that? 101 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.879 The result was quite surprising, I think I found that 102 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.399 there is a positive correlation between the daily usage of 103 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:59.480 English names and the overall Chinese cultural identity, especially participants 104 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.439 well in to further explore their cultural identity. 105 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:08.199 Oh that is quite counterintuitive, I think, because like naturally, 106 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.240 we might think that if a person has great attachment 107 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.959 to Chinese identity, he may be more likely to use 108 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.720 his or her Chinese name rather than his English names. 109 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:23.480 But the result seems to be like the opposite. So 110 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.519 what do you think is the rationale behind him? 111 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.160 I think this is a very interesting question. So I 112 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:36.959 first delve more into the coalitions between specific questions from 113 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:43.319 the skills, maybe we can find some potential explanation. For instance, 114 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.560 there's two questions I want to mention. One is that 115 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.319 I don't resent my English name being used in any situation, 116 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.959 and the other statement is I think my English name 117 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:00.480 helps me to integrate into the school environment better. I 118 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:07.879 found a significant positive relationship correlation between these two questions 119 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:13.800 and the cultural identity skill result the total score of it. 120 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:20.959 This might indicate a greater cultural inclusiveness and adaptability of 121 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:26.800 the students to navigate and an intersection of both English 122 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:30.120 and Chinese. Maybe cultural or language usage. 123 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:36.480 Oh so you'll emphasize on your emphasis on inclusiveness and adaptability. 124 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:41.519 Sounds very inspiring, And I guess the reason behind this 125 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:47.840 positive relationship between greater English name usage and strong cultural 126 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:53.159 identity to like Chinese identity. Maybe because like, the more 127 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:58.360 students aligned with Chinese identity, the more he actually realized 128 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:03.200 the gap or the differences between Chinese and Western culture. 129 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.840 So in this international environment, he or she might want 130 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.879 to use an English name more often in this English 131 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.840 environment to better integrate into the English world. So he 132 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.960 actually realized this separation between like the Chinese world in 133 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.879 like the Western or English world. So keep using a 134 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.879 Chinese name, which is actually a strong representation of Chinese 135 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:32.960 identity may be a barrier to solve their identity conflict 136 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:38.679 in such an international environment. So I think inherently, yeah, 137 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.000 there may be a sense or need of inclusiveness and 138 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.799 adaptability for them to better integrate into the environment. 139 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:52.639 Now, also, I think your exation is excellent. Like to 140 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.080 be honest, do you like, are you talking about yourself 141 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.799 in this sense that like this is your idea? 142 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:04.960 Yeah, to some extent, So my own understanding is like 143 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:08.279 based on what I've talked about before. 144 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:15.679 I see, I've also found another interesting result, like there 145 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.720 is saleso a negative correlation between the likeness and identification 146 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:26.240 of the participant's English name and the degree of emotional 147 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.480 commitment to Chinese culture. I think this can be explained 148 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.240 in a similar way as you've said that students may 149 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:40.120 perceive English names as more consistent with an internationalized identity, 150 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.799 whereas Chinese names may be seen as a symbol of 151 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:51.360 tradition or confinement to a particular culture. Influenced by globalization 152 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.639 and international education, they might be more likely to adopt 153 00:10:55.799 --> 00:11:01.159 foreign cultural elements and weakened their identification with Chinese culture, 154 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.440 developing the sort of hybrid identity. 155 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:10.360 I think, oh, that sounds a very reasonable conclusion. And 156 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:14.559 have you met any particular challenge where searching the topic. 157 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.320 Well, my main concern when researching this topic is that 158 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:26.639 the self report questionnaire may cause some bias. For example, 159 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:34.080 participants may misunderstand the statement given by the questionnaire or 160 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:40.279 influenced by the Hawthorne effect we learned in the topic 161 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:46.399 the unit of research method, so halfign effects means that 162 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:51.600 participants may modify an aspect of their answers in response 163 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:55.919 to their awareness of being observed or being analyzed by 164 00:11:55.960 --> 00:12:00.759 our researcher, which is me in this case. I think 165 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.879 this is the major limitation of questionnaire that it's difficult 166 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:10.879 to avoid. However, I still consider a questionnaire or a 167 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.840 quite reliable research method. 168 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:15.639 Yeah, that makes sense. 169 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.679 So because the survey is conducted in China, so people 170 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.960 may be subject to the pressure or expectation that they 171 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.519 need to be like somehow patriotic. So like, they may 172 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:34.399 assume that the researcher is somehow patriotic. So this might 173 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:39.679 change or like distort their response and probably result in 174 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:45.240 an overestimation of the attachment to Chinese identity. And also 175 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:50.759 what I find pretty what I'm curious about actually is 176 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:57.559 that the concept of identity may be constantly changing, especially 177 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:04.720 for students in an adolescent because like students are still 178 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:09.120 growing and their mentality is pretty unstable and constantly changing, 179 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:14.799 and I think this may be like strongly affect the result, 180 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:19.840 like probably, I mean, like doing a launch Tumino study 181 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.279 for like a long time can track their changes or 182 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.440 somehow like make the research more valid, like do you 183 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:28.279 think so? 184 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.960 Yes, I think you're definitely right. You remind me of 185 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:37.200 another concern that the fact is said that identity is 186 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:42.879 fluid and has several aspects. For example, some people may 187 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:47.320 resonate a lot with the food in China or a 188 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:53.559 particular manner or like Chinese literature, but they don't necessarily 189 00:13:54.679 --> 00:14:01.440 identify with other aspects of Chinese culture. So maybe this 190 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.759 makes it quite hard to discuss the whole topic and 191 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:10.600 one single study. The method of questionnaire lacks validity in 192 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:15.960 this case. Therefore, to check the changes and for a 193 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.919 more valid approach, I think what you've suggested in a 194 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.679 longitudinal study and maybe a follow up interview with classmates 195 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:25.639 will be really helpful. 196 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.080 Oh that sounds nice. 197 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.840 So have you ever thought of some further questions that 198 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:36.600 you may ask in future interviews in future studies. 199 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.720 Well, I'm thinking of like more of a casual conversation. 200 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:46.440 For example, I can start with sharing some stories about 201 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:53.200 my name. Oh really, yes, Actually, to tell you a secret, 202 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:59.879 my first English name is not Cecilia. That sounds quite normal, well, 203 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.559 at least like you're paring to my first name. My 204 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:10.559 first name is Apple because I have this Chinese nickname 205 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:16.480 of Wool, which means apple fruit and Chinese I use. 206 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.320 I kept the name till the age of twelve. Then, 207 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.519 for the purpose of going into an international summer camp. 208 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.720 I think, no, this is the time that I should 209 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:31.960 change to a serious name. I'll stop using the name 210 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.399 like so funny as Apple. 211 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:36.440 Yeah, you've been loved it, or you've been marked by 212 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.240 other students. 213 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.600 Yes, exactly. So I chose to him in Sicilia from 214 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.799 that like literature for children, and the sicilia is with 215 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:50.360 an e instead of an eye, because I think it 216 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:55.279 makes me a little bit more special. Yes, what about 217 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.200 what about your name, Miles? 218 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:00.559 Yeah, so I actually noticed that you're like seeking a 219 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:05.000 sense of like uniqueness and the sense of the meaning 220 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.159 or the purpose of this name. And that's true also 221 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.440 for me, because so I actually picked Miles. I picked 222 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:16.240 this name like three years ago when I first came 223 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:20.519 into this international school. So basically the reason why I 224 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.799 chose this name is because like I google it and 225 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.399 I find that the meaning of it is like it 226 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:31.440 means like quite quite wise and pretty introverted and like 227 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:35.960 somehow introspective, like which is I think it's a best 228 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:39.519 feit for of my personality, So I just. 229 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:40.360 Chose this name. 230 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.919 I think it's really funny that in most cases our 231 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.279 names are given by parents, like our Chinese thing and 232 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:54.039 most of English names for Westerners or you know, names 233 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:57.519 in their own culture. But in this case, we can 234 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:05.599 really access or sort of agency or our decision to 235 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.480 make a choice for ourselves to haven't named that is, 236 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:17.440 like truly decided on our own, like our own minds. 237 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:22.720 Yeah, so I think the there's like fundamental difference between 238 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:29.400 the origin of like English names of students or people 239 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.440 from a different color background because they can use their 240 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:36.039 agency to like free each rust their name. And also, 241 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.519 so you mentioned that you have changed your names, yes, once, 242 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:43.839 so it actually reflects the fluidity of our like of 243 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:48.000 our identity, because like we can constantly change our name, yes, 244 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:50.319 as long as we like don't like it. 245 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:53.599 Yeah, but it's really hard to change the Chinese right, 246 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.680 not like legally, but like from the bottom of our heart. 247 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:01.160 How we resonate with the name. For some whenever people 248 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.559 calls me and my Chinese thing, I just respond naturally. 249 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:07.519 But sometimes if people call me in my English name, 250 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:09.880 I may like hesitate. 251 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:10.039 For a moment. 252 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.559 Yeah, because like there is your path, there are some 253 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.200 like past experience before you need the books you read, 254 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:23.359 and like your sadness and your happiness like inherently embedded 255 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.920 within your name. So when people call your Chinese name 256 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:31.519 more like your original name, then like you might intuitively 257 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:35.240 like turn around and then be like, oh, why are 258 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:35.759 you calling me? 259 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:41.839 Yes, So I think like in this case, maybe you 260 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.359 don't relate to your English name that lunch, or do 261 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.559 you prefer your Chinese name or your English name? And 262 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:54.240 as do they like mean so different to you? What 263 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:55.200 do you think? So? 264 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:59.599 I mean personally, I think there are different meanings within 265 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.680 this two names. So I think in a Chinese environment, 266 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.000 I might like be more likely to use my Chinese 267 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:13.000 name because it's like closely related to my past experience 268 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:17.279 with my parents, my friends and all these are all 269 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:21.519 within the Chinese environment. But for the English name, then 270 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.839 there are a lot of memories and different kinds of 271 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:28.000 stuff that is related to these English names. So I 272 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.400 see a clear separation between the usage of these two names. 273 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.720 So like what about you, whoa, I think it's true 274 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:41.279 that names aren't carrying something like really enough. 275 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:47.240 Sociology Show podcast relies on the kind contributions of sponsorship 276 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.359 and donations. 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Simply visit UK 279 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.920 dot GoFundMe dot com and search for the Sociology Show. 280 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:03.480 If you can donate, then you will be sent a 281 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.200 Sociology Show pen as a small thank you for your 282 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.519 continued support of the show. 283 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:15.799 For me, I think mmm, like my experience your mind, 284 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.119 my attitude towards the usage of names is similar to you, 285 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.039 because I don't like any of my friends like who 286 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.039 knows me when when we are in a Chinese context 287 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:29.359 to use my English and that sounds weird, that sounds 288 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.039 they are like teasing me. But in this school where 289 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:37.039 I met everybody, like we all use our English in 290 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:41.880 this case is quite natural, and I think there's a 291 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:46.079 sense of community based on the English game usage. Like 292 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:51.319 for example, in daily conversations, we always call each other 293 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:56.920 English names, and we are frequently switching between Chinese and English. 294 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.720 This kind of communication is you know, it can special 295 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.400 compared to other personal relationships. 296 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.119 Oh yeah, and beauty. 297 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:13.279 See, so I think it's time to switch a top 298 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:17.640 a little bit to the Chinese identity part. Well, do 299 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.400 you think, like how would you regate your Chinese identity? 300 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:25.839 And probably, like we mentioned some aspects of Chinese identity, 301 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.920 how would you explain this sort of relation or attachment 302 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:33.240 to identity regarding various aspects. 303 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:35.559 So I personally feel like. 304 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.599 An identity is like a very complex topic because it 305 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:47.680 involves so many parts. So it actually includes your personal 306 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:53.799 attachment to let's say, like a culture including like food, language, 307 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:59.559 and like personal relationship. So because I am, we are 308 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.000 actually born and grow up in a Chinese context. So 309 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.079 basically you can't deny that you have a close relationship 310 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.720 with your with your like let's say, your family and 311 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:13.240 your friends in this Chinese context. So I mean for 312 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:18.000 me personally, I would say I have a strong attachment 313 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:19.240 to Chinese culture. 314 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:28.079 M h. I see, I think, well it was obviously understandable, 315 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:33.200 especially like we both come from you know, public Chinese schools, 316 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.799 Like before we enter this international school, we always receive 317 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:42.559 education in our Chinese context, And I was wondering about, 318 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:45.480 how do you feel like when you first transferred to 319 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.920 this international schools? Do Chinese ning, I mean, do English 320 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.759 name help human integrate a little bit more? 321 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:57.160 Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely, because like when you're entering like 322 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:01.000 a completely new environment and then you want to get 323 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:03.480 away from the past, then you need a brand new name. 324 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:08.319 Then probably an English name is like a new start 325 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.680 and kind of like refresh your mind and like open 326 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:16.200 up a new page for you. So yeah, basically that's 327 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:20.400 actually related to what you mentioned above. It's the concept 328 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.119 of agency, right, So you can use your free agency 329 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.759 to probably open up a new, completely new space for 330 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.440 you to explore by adopting the English name. 331 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:34.400 I see you're talking about something I just mentioned like 332 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:35.559 practical use. 333 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:41.839 Right, practical, but also like oh, but also related to 334 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:43.960 identity and culture. 335 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:52.720 So I've actually come across this concept of cultural assimilation 336 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:57.759 while doing so literal you know, literature review, Like it 337 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:02.400 means that you're into reading not only like the school environment. 338 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.559 But also a cultural context. 339 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.319 Yes, like the whole context within English. Do you think 340 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:14.359 the name is like a representation of you, like delve 341 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.319 more into the environment. For example, Like, let me give 342 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:23.440 you an example. Some foreigners who trouble around China, who's 343 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:28.799 really interesting with the sort of Inzasian culture, they choose 344 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:32.480 a Chinese name for themselves and they use it in 345 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.839 Chinese context. Do you think it's something similar or is 346 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.599 a totally different thing when it comes to like we adopting. 347 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:43.960 English names, Well, the first thing that comes to mind 348 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:44.640 is that. 349 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:50.079 Some foreigners, like so called foreigners from our perspective, to 350 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:53.440 come to China and then they adopt a Chinese name, 351 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:54.440 which is quite funny. 352 00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.319 So I actually the meaning or like. 353 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.480 The connotations of the worlds or the latter, it's quite 354 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.759 funny and they didn't realize it doesn't realize they don't 355 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:04.480 realize that. 356 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.960 So like I think it works like all the way 357 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.480 around times we shoes really strange English things that make 358 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:16.480 make you know, native speakers laugh a lot. Yes, For example, 359 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.359 apple first place. 360 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.799 Or some very like prestigious or like very comfory class. 361 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.759 Yes, or maybe some religious names or names from Spain 362 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.519 or other culture, like Chinese name using a Spanish name. 363 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.640 That's just that sounds weird, yes, because you don't actually 364 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.279 have the connection within the culture. 365 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:44.359 Yes. Indeed, so do you plan to I mean, do 366 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.279 you plan to keep your English name after entering the 367 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.480 university or to plan for the future. You mentioned maybe 368 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:57.799 there's like a cultural marriage or sort of cultural appropriation, 369 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:02.640 you know what, we are trying to use a name 370 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:03.640 in different culture. 371 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.240 Yeah, that's a good question because like we don't actually 372 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.480 know what will happen after we enter the university. So 373 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:17.880 basically when we are in completely English environment, we might 374 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.640 want to use our English name or like Chinese names 375 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:22.039 or biscuit. 376 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:22.759 It depends. 377 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.759 Yes, Like I think for me during this challenge is 378 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:34.160 still pronunciation. Oh, it's quite hard for professors to like 379 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:39.440 recognize the name and you know, just react with a 380 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:40.880 correct pronunciation. 381 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.039 But they can just call it, call you your surname. 382 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:51.559 Yes, that's right. I think in this paras Olympics, people 383 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:55.039 are recording their names the right pronunciation of the names 384 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.200 and put out put on the audios into the internet, 385 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:04.319 and just so that there's no confusion. Do you think 386 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.279 that may be a good solution. 387 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:08.720 To the problem. 388 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.799 That's that's also pretty hard though, because when you yourself 389 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:14.400 pronounced him, it's quite hard. 390 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:19.880 Mm hmm, like like like the foreigners. Like let's say. 391 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:26.599 Those commentators in Olympics, they know how wonder routine is pronounced, 392 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.240 but they just can't pronounce very accurately. 393 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:36.359 Yeah, yes, that may happen sometimes well overalls, still quite 394 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.640 I was a complex topic to say. 395 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:41.400 Yeah. 396 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:46.720 I think in some college pages, I see they are 397 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:51.240 doing this audio things, you know, to show some respects 398 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:57.680 for other cultures, to adapt this sort of globalized environment. 399 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:02.400 I think it's sometimes US schools and nows we are 400 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:03.680 both working towards it. 401 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.599