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Speaker 2: We don't want.
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Speaker 3: Report a UFO over hey, we want to one of.
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Speaker 6: I got I don't know what.
Speaker 5: It was, but it's from at least to three thousand
Speaker 5: feet above us. See, I passed right over the top
Speaker 5: of us.
Speaker 3: Ninety one one.
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Speaker 1: They're after staying the airplanes.
Speaker 3: He is to God on an unidentified object, every liberty
Speaker 3: or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 7: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 7: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
Speaker 7: I would like to be on the show. You can
Speaker 7: email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: Hello everyone, and welcome to this show. How are you
Speaker 4: all doing? I'm Nick Canter and you're listening to the
Speaker 4: UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, we're joined by Stephen from New
Speaker 4: York State, who's had more than the fair share of
Speaker 4: strange encounters. One unforgettable night during his teenage years, a
Speaker 4: quiet swim with a friend turned surreal when a blinding
Speaker 4: light and a deep vibrating hum descended above their pool,
Speaker 4: leaving the boys in stand silence. Later, as an adult,
Speaker 4: Stephen encountered a truly massive, flat bottomed craft drifting silently
Speaker 4: over his neighborhood. It was a moment of awe, quickly
Speaker 4: followed by disbelief from others. Into a friend independently confirmed
Speaker 4: seeing the same UFO just miles away, down to the
Speaker 4: exact shape and eerie presence. Stephen siting span decades and
Speaker 4: defy explanation. Stephen is up next, but first, if you
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Speaker 4: Hello Stephen, Welcome to the show, hither Neid.
Speaker 5: He is great to have you with us tonight and
Speaker 5: you'll call in from New York State. Yes, I am
Speaker 5: now Stephen. You have some experiences to share. Would you
Speaker 5: like to start at the beginning?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to. I have you know, always
Speaker 1: had sightings growing up from starting from the age of five,
Speaker 1: and I never really thought too much about it. I
Speaker 1: just thought, oh, that's cool. It's different because when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, we really didn't have any exposure to
Speaker 1: these things. I'm talking about late sixties, early seventies into
Speaker 1: the eighties. But I had two really unique experiences that
Speaker 1: I want to focus on tonight. But I also want
Speaker 1: to share with you that my main thing is for
Speaker 1: most of my experiences was clarification. I actually got some
Speaker 1: clarification for these things, so it really made me even
Speaker 1: wonder more so what happened to me? You know, what
Speaker 1: did I just experience? So the very first experience, I
Speaker 1: was five years old and my sister and I were
Speaker 1: came home from school. I was in kindergarten and I
Speaker 1: think she was in first grade. My grandmother this and
Speaker 1: she would be in the kitchen, you know, taking around
Speaker 1: making cookies or something. When we would come home, it
Speaker 1: would be probably around two o'clock or two thirty. She
Speaker 1: would make us a sandwich, you know, usually peanut butter
Speaker 1: and jelly, and we'd sit at the kitchen window, at
Speaker 1: the table that faced out to the edge of our
Speaker 1: suburban development, which was pretty country like because it was
Speaker 1: just being built, so outside this window there were no
Speaker 1: houses yet, but there was there was still a road,
Speaker 1: and then it went up a dirt road up on
Speaker 1: a pretty big hill, and we were eating our sandwich
Speaker 1: and I looked out the window and my sister Betsy says, Oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, what's that? And I said, oh, look at that.
Speaker 1: It was a fuzzy, pink and blue blowing saucer that
Speaker 1: must have been right on the top of the hill,
Speaker 1: not too far from where we were in our house
Speaker 1: looking out this window. So we dropped everything and ran
Speaker 1: outside to go look. And as soon as we got
Speaker 1: out there the thing was gone. But we were we
Speaker 1: thought it was so cool, and we were asking my
Speaker 1: grandmother what she thought it was, and we just all dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: And he looked at each other and said, well, that
Speaker 1: was cool. And that was pretty much it for that one.
Speaker 1: But then as I grew up, oh, there'd be instances
Speaker 1: that were just out of the blue. Like for one time,
Speaker 1: I was in the car with all my brothers and
Speaker 1: sisters and my dad was driving, and we were going
Speaker 1: to church, and he said, hey, kids, look at that,
Speaker 1: And it was orange glowing saucer that was zipping around
Speaker 1: on just above the mountain side, above the hot in
Speaker 1: front of us on the highway, and we all just
Speaker 1: looked at amazement, as it almost knew we were watching it,
Speaker 1: and it was doing a little show for us. And
Speaker 1: then there was another time when I was I think
Speaker 1: in seventh or eighth grade. I was like thirteen, and
Speaker 1: I was up at my best friend Mark's swimming pool
Speaker 1: at night that just the two of us were swimming
Speaker 1: out there alone, and there were some pool lights on,
Speaker 1: but it was still pretty dark. We're sitting there and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we hear what sounded like almost
Speaker 1: like a continuous drum beat, pretty loud, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there was this huge beam of light
Speaker 1: that showed down on the pool, and all we could
Speaker 1: see was this big, glowing kind of orb light thing
Speaker 1: shooting this beam right down at us at the pool.
Speaker 1: We're both in amazement, and then before you knew it,
Speaker 1: the drum beat, vibrating sun quit, and then the thing
Speaker 1: took off. We must have sat there for two hours
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the heck that was. It
Speaker 1: was not a helicopter, because I know what a helicopter
Speaker 1: looks like, we both did. But it was just a
Speaker 1: really freaky incident. And then a few probably about ten
Speaker 1: years later, where I lived the same area, I was
Speaker 1: driving to a friend's house and it was just about nighttime,
Speaker 1: and I came to the stop sign that came to
Speaker 1: this major thoroughfare road you know, that I had to
Speaker 1: take to get to my friends, and I was going
Speaker 1: to go right, so I looked. I rolled down the
Speaker 1: window and looked out the left to see if I
Speaker 1: could go, and the traffic was free, and just as
Speaker 1: I looked up, I saw this enormous, massive black bottom
Speaker 1: ship fly by, like little lights on it, but it
Speaker 1: was just so entirely black. It was almost invisible, but
Speaker 1: you could still see it there, and it made the
Speaker 1: tree top kind of wave back and forth because it
Speaker 1: was that low. So I'm watching an amazement and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I couldn't see it anymore. So
Speaker 1: I went ahead and went to my party and I
Speaker 1: had to tell everyone about it. Well, they all laughed
Speaker 1: and thought, you're full of it, Steve. So the next day,
Speaker 1: my best friend Carolyn called and she lived down the
Speaker 1: street from me, and she was working that night right
Speaker 1: around the same time that I thought, and she was
Speaker 1: coming home from work and she said, you're not going
Speaker 1: to believe what I saw. Well, she described the same
Speaker 1: exact thing that I saw. So that was That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about clarification. It's so cool to be able
Speaker 1: to have that clarification that it was definitely something you saw.
Speaker 1: It gives you the clarification that you truly did see
Speaker 1: what you saw. Now. One of the most unique experiences
Speaker 1: that I had was in nineteen eighty five, after I
Speaker 1: went to community college for two years, I got into
Speaker 1: a really good school for graphic design, so a transfer
Speaker 1: and I went to school there a full year and
Speaker 1: I was living in a four person apartment right on campus.
Speaker 1: I had to take my major catch up with my majors,
Speaker 1: so I had to take summer classes so I had
Speaker 1: to be there all summer. Well, the only thing was
Speaker 1: is they didn't let us stay in the one apartment
Speaker 1: buildings over the summer because they close them. So I
Speaker 1: had to find someone to live with. So I met
Speaker 1: this guy, Dave was in my program and he was
Speaker 1: about ten years older than I was, and he overheard
Speaker 1: me talking to one of my friends and he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I need a roommate this summer. Why don't
Speaker 1: you check out my apartment and maybe you can stay
Speaker 1: with me and we'll split the rent. So you know
Speaker 1: how you are in college, you're just very laid back
Speaker 1: and chill, and you're just ready for the next big thing,
Speaker 1: and you're really focusing on your study, so you know
Speaker 1: you need to carry on and make split decisions. So
Speaker 1: I like Dave. Dave seemed like a nice guy. I
Speaker 1: saw the apartment and he showed me where I was
Speaker 1: going to sleep, so I was more than happy to
Speaker 1: stay there for the summer. So school started for the summer,
Speaker 1: which was pretty much the week after it ended because
Speaker 1: we had trimesters. So I moved on in from one
Speaker 1: apartment to the other, and I was so busy with
Speaker 1: my major. I spent a lot of the time, my
Speaker 1: extra time in the studio doing my work. So after
Speaker 1: about a month of living there with him for the summer,
Speaker 1: he said to me, you know, you really need to
Speaker 1: take a break. Why don't you come with me and
Speaker 1: my friend Dale. We're going to housewatch for a friend
Speaker 1: of ours over the weekend. He's going to be gone
Speaker 1: for a week. He's at a convention. So I said,
Speaker 1: all right. He talked me into it. So the three
Speaker 1: of us got in the car and we drove to
Speaker 1: this lake and we drove up to this cottage. It
Speaker 1: was like a lake cottage kind of thing, but it
Speaker 1: was more. It was the size of a house, but
Speaker 1: a small house. And when we drove up, you could
Speaker 1: see that they had done a lot of work on
Speaker 1: it and it was updated. They had a nice back
Speaker 1: And we pulled up, went in the house and they
Speaker 1: started telling me these crazy stories about the guy who
Speaker 1: whose house set is. And he said, this is our
Speaker 1: friend Bill's house, and we're really close to him. He's
Speaker 1: welcoming you to stay here with us, but we got
Speaker 1: to tell you confidentially, he is not from here. He's
Speaker 1: from a planet called Era. I started to like really
Speaker 1: worry about that. I thought, oh my god, these guys
Speaker 1: are nuts, you know, and I'm alone with them, and
Speaker 1: I have no car, no transportation to get away. It
Speaker 1: was just so strange the stories they were telling me.
Speaker 1: So I just figured, you know what, I can't be
Speaker 1: a nervous nellie or ned so I'm just going to
Speaker 1: go with it. So I did, and I just acted cool.
Speaker 1: And we got in the house and they were showing
Speaker 1: me around, and they said, well, why don't you hang
Speaker 1: out here and we'll go get dinner at the little
Speaker 1: grocery store down the road. So I was all fine
Speaker 1: with that. And I'm sitting in the living room and
Speaker 1: I had a bag of some shirts that I had
Speaker 1: just bought at the store that I brought with me.
Speaker 1: So I was trying a shirt on and looking in
Speaker 1: the mirror, and I swear there was someone watching me.
Speaker 1: You know how you feel someone's behind your back watching you.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking again at the shirt and then I
Speaker 1: heard a giggle and I'm looking around and I'm like freaking,
Speaker 1: totally freaking out. So I decided, well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go in the other room. This is freaking me out.
Speaker 1: So I went into the living room and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about what they're trying to tell me about this the
Speaker 1: owner of this house, you know that he's from another planet.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, Okay, I've got to really do
Speaker 1: some searching around this house while there. And I think
Speaker 1: they set me up for this, I'm thinking. But then again,
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way they could have done all this,
Speaker 1: all that I experienced. I went through the bookshelves on
Speaker 1: one wall. They were all built in, and I saw
Speaker 1: just a numerous strange things, like there were crystals all over,
Speaker 1: some that I've seen before, some I didn't know what
Speaker 1: were what they were. And then there were photo albums
Speaker 1: in the bookshelf, and so I picked out one of
Speaker 1: them and I'm flipping through them, and you know how
Speaker 1: you can tell the age of the photo when they
Speaker 1: were taken by the borders. So there were some with
Speaker 1: white boarders that looked all black and white even, and
Speaker 1: there's this guy with different people in every photo just
Speaker 1: about and he looked the same, ageless. So we're talking
Speaker 1: photos from like the sixties all the way to present time.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was really odd. And then I
Speaker 1: picked up another book and it was like a big
Speaker 1: folder and it had children's drawings in there, tons of them,
Speaker 1: just stats of them, and they were prem drawings of children,
Speaker 1: holy hands on the planet on Earth, you know, on
Speaker 1: our planet. And then there were messages we love you,
Speaker 1: We're glad you're here, you know, like planetary little sketches
Speaker 1: these kids did. And then I found a couple of
Speaker 1: really strange books of that looked like universal maps. And
Speaker 1: so I'm rummaging through all this stuff quick before they
Speaker 1: get back, because I'm just if I had a cell phone,
Speaker 1: I would have taken pictures, but I didn't have any
Speaker 1: camera with me, so I just absorbed it mentally, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm going down, you know, these shelves, and I
Speaker 1: picked up I swear to God, now that I think
Speaker 1: about it, it was almost like an iPad. And when
Speaker 1: I opened it up, it glowed. That was kind of
Speaker 1: when digitals just pretty much was rearing its head. The
Speaker 1: only thing I could think of was light bright. It
Speaker 1: reminded me of when you do the light bright and
Speaker 1: it all glows, and so I was mesmized by this.
Speaker 1: I put it back and then I looked over to
Speaker 1: the corner of the living room was something that looked
Speaker 1: like a musical instrument, a combination between a musical instrument
Speaker 1: and an exercise machine. So I was filling with this thing,
Speaker 1: and I had all these levers and it almost had
Speaker 1: like these organ base pedal things on it, and you
Speaker 1: stood on that and you would maneuver it, and then
Speaker 1: you'd take this tool and hit these different almost they
Speaker 1: almost looked like bells. But my memory is a little
Speaker 1: foggy about how I operated this thing. But the more
Speaker 1: I operated it, the more the more I was in
Speaker 1: a different, you know, frame of mind kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It was almost like the power of music can kind
Speaker 1: of take your mind away from you. Well that was
Speaker 1: kind of what it felt like. So that was very
Speaker 1: very meserrizing and weird. So after that, I looking around
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole bottom floor of this house as
Speaker 1: a whole, and I noticed there was a picture of
Speaker 1: this woman in every room, the same woman. She had
Speaker 1: like silver, big hair, really friendly looking. She had like
Speaker 1: a Mona Lisa's smile, and her eyes followed you everywhere
Speaker 1: you went. So as I'm looking at her, I heard
Speaker 1: this giggle again. So I'm thinking, is this house paranormal haunted?
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't even know what paranormal was back then.
Speaker 1: But I just get everything I saw or did while
Speaker 1: they were away. I was just totally creeped out. So
Speaker 1: then the phone rings and I'm like, well should I
Speaker 1: answer it? And I thought, well, I'm the only one here,
Speaker 1: so I answered it, and it was the owner of
Speaker 1: the house. It was Bill and he said, hey, Steven,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. I've been waiting to talk to you.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, I'm always your friend. I just
Speaker 1: want you to know that. And he said, right now,
Speaker 1: I'm at a convention. I'm trying to help your God
Speaker 1: with the cure for cancer, is what he said. And
Speaker 1: he said, so they're really on me, and my house
Speaker 1: is totally If you see a black on Mark car
Speaker 1: pull up in the driveway, ignore it. That happens all
Speaker 1: the time. And just as he said that, I'm looking
Speaker 1: out the kitchen window and there was it on Mark
Speaker 1: black car right in the driveway. So then he's talking
Speaker 1: about I swear he said something about the Galactic Federation,
Speaker 1: and then the phone crackled it disconnected. So I'm just
Speaker 1: standing there like, Okay, this is really weird. Just then
Speaker 1: the guys drove up with the grocers that they come in,
Speaker 1: and I told him what happened? Oh you you talked
Speaker 1: to Bill. Oh yeah, he's great, you know, talking like
Speaker 1: a matter of factly, really laid back. And so we're
Speaker 1: standing in the kitchener while they're fixing dinner, and we're
Speaker 1: talking and there was a paper with hieroglyphics that I
Speaker 1: saw right out in the open, and the guys were
Speaker 1: telling me, oh, yeah, this isn't something you should see,
Speaker 1: and they took it away from me, and then I
Speaker 1: am just such a At this point, I was just
Speaker 1: so snoopy. I picked up this box that was by
Speaker 1: the phone and I opened it up and there was
Speaker 1: this big blue, kind of like large marble and I
Speaker 1: was holding it, and you know, I thought it was
Speaker 1: like a bend Wa ball or something. You know, that
Speaker 1: was kind of kitchy back then. So I'm just tossing
Speaker 1: it bagg and forth in my hand. That's what I
Speaker 1: thought it was. And Dave turns around and goes, that's
Speaker 1: not yours. I don't know why that's out there. Put
Speaker 1: it down now. Yelled at me, that's Bills and it
Speaker 1: shouldn't been out in the open like that. So they
Speaker 1: grab that from me and put it somewhere. I don't
Speaker 1: know where they put it. But anyway, we had our
Speaker 1: dinner and we were talking and talking about our lives
Speaker 1: and future and everything, and I kept thinking, these guys
Speaker 1: are just not normal people. There was something magical about them.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying in an evil way. They were evil.
Speaker 1: They were magical like it was just bizarre. They only
Speaker 1: had like one happy emotion and that was it. They
Speaker 1: didn't know anything like, they never complained, they never bitched
Speaker 1: or moaned as I was about all my hard work
Speaker 1: and all. So anyway, we had our dinner, and oh,
Speaker 1: they did tell me the blue marble was kind of
Speaker 1: like the correlation to our first aid kit. So if
Speaker 1: you ever had any illness or it didn't feel well,
Speaker 1: you could pick up this crystal blue marble and it
Speaker 1: had healing powers. So that's pretty much all I got
Speaker 1: on that blue marble thing. But we had our pasta
Speaker 1: and I kept thinking about, you know, these guys are
Speaker 1: trying to surprise me later with something or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I'm just going
Speaker 1: to be mister cool. And we were watching a movie.
Speaker 1: They had a he had a laser disc player. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember a late laser disc but there,
Speaker 1: you know, they're the size of a record album. You
Speaker 1: put it in the machine and play your movie. So
Speaker 1: we're watching it was one of my favorite movies now,
Speaker 1: but the Never Ending Story, which was so appropriate for
Speaker 1: this weekend. As we were watching the movie, a door
Speaker 1: slammed upstairs, like really loud. It was a door slam
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, what was that, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're looking at me smiling, and it slammed again, and
Speaker 1: then it slammed again, and like four times in a row.
Speaker 1: In a horror film, you know, you're always thinking, what
Speaker 1: an idiot that guy is going to go up there
Speaker 1: and look for what's making those door slams. Well, I
Speaker 1: did that. I went up the hair and looked all
Speaker 1: three doors of the bedrooms upstairs were wide open. There
Speaker 1: were no windows. All the windows were closed. So just
Speaker 1: then I got the chills up and down my spine
Speaker 1: and I started to run down the stairs. And as
Speaker 1: I'm running down the stairs, an entity is running up
Speaker 1: the stairs and literally almost knocked me over. So at
Speaker 1: that point I'm like, what is going on? And Dave
Speaker 1: and Dale just laughed and they said, oh, that's that's
Speaker 1: just Margaret. She was living in this house before Bill
Speaker 1: and got sick, got very ill and passed, So don't
Speaker 1: bother with her. You know she won't bother you. So
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking, I just want to get the hell
Speaker 1: out of this place. You know. I was just I
Speaker 1: was twenty two, I think, so I was just not
Speaker 1: really experienced doing things by myself or with other people
Speaker 1: outside of my family and friends. So I was kind
Speaker 1: of in that panic mode and I really kind of
Speaker 1: want to just go home. And I thought, well, don't
Speaker 1: be a baby, you know, we'll sleep over here tonight,
Speaker 1: and then tomorrow morning asked for them to take you
Speaker 1: back to the college. I first of all, I called
Speaker 1: DIBs on the downstairs bedroom. I said, there's no way
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping upstairs with those slaming doors. We went to bed,
Speaker 1: and they went upstairs, and I went downstairs bedroom, and
Speaker 1: I actually fell right to sleep. I don't know how,
Speaker 1: but I did. And I woke up and I was
Speaker 1: facing the wall by the window, and I woke up
Speaker 1: with the curtains brushing on my face, like they have
Speaker 1: these big, like long shears on the window. And I
Speaker 1: opened my eyes and I'm like, the windows are closed
Speaker 1: and these curtains are blowing on me, so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of in freak mode. And I turned to the other
Speaker 1: side in the bed and I was going to put
Speaker 1: the covers over my head, and their dog was standing
Speaker 1: right next to my bed, staring me right in the
Speaker 1: face without a sound. So at that quick second and
Speaker 1: I blurted out of the biggest scream you could imagine,
Speaker 1: and these guys came running down. What's wrong? What's wrong?
Speaker 1: You know? And I told him and they kind of
Speaker 1: looked at each other like I felt like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a baby. That's just how they made me feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not worthy of them. One of the guys,
Speaker 1: I said, can you It was a big, huge bed.
Speaker 1: I said, can you stay down here with me tonight?
Speaker 1: And then I really want to go home in the morning,
Speaker 1: And so that's what happened. I woke up in the
Speaker 1: morning and they took me home, and I really had
Speaker 1: this feeling like you just didn't pass our test. And
Speaker 1: then I was so busy with schoolwork. At the end
Speaker 1: of the semester, I never saw him again. I never
Speaker 1: saw Dave again. I don't know what happened to him.
Speaker 1: It was like he just disappeared, and I never really
Speaker 1: thought about this incident until years later when I was
Speaker 1: in grad school back at the same college, and I
Speaker 1: had to write a script for a play. So I decided, well,
Speaker 1: why don't I write all my UFL experiences to, you know,
Speaker 1: put them together in a storybook format. And then I
Speaker 1: shelved it and it sat until just recently. And the
Speaker 1: one other thing about that cottage was with all the
Speaker 1: giggles and the weirdness, that when I was by myself
Speaker 1: and found all those weird things, I went out on
Speaker 1: the deck and sat out in the sun until they
Speaker 1: came back. And I also wandered around the property a
Speaker 1: little bit, and right on this big rock. They had
Speaker 1: a creek in the backyard, and right on this enormous rock,
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the creek, was this beautiful
Speaker 1: crystal rock. That's the only thing I took from that experience,
Speaker 1: but I took that with me and I put it
Speaker 1: in my pocket, and I still have it to this day.
Speaker 1: And I worked at a university right now that most
Speaker 1: of my career has been at the university, and I
Speaker 1: took that rock to the geology department and they said,
Speaker 1: we have no clue what this is. So I was
Speaker 1: really kind of, you know, an interesting thing, especially with
Speaker 1: the rock. And again clarification that rock was my clarification
Speaker 1: that you know, just you know, I wasn't mistaken at
Speaker 1: what my experience was. It was totally happening. It happened
Speaker 1: to me. So then after that, that was in eighty five,
Speaker 1: and then after that life went on pretty normally. And
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, I was working in the Hudson
Speaker 1: Lake region, like kind of Westchester Mount Kisco area, and
Speaker 1: I worked at a supper club part time. So I
Speaker 1: would work during the day as a designer and camp.
Speaker 1: I was on contract and I always wrote down my
Speaker 1: miles so I knew how much gas I was using
Speaker 1: to get to and from work for taxes, and so
Speaker 1: I worked at the supper club, so I had to
Speaker 1: write my miuage down for that as well getting to
Speaker 1: and from the supper club. So I it was a
Speaker 1: ballet for the supper club and there were a lot
Speaker 1: of famous people that came and performed there. It was
Speaker 1: a fun job. So I parked the cars and Friday
Speaker 1: night I got when I got home from work. My
Speaker 1: friend Pete who I worked with there, he was a
Speaker 1: valet too. He called me and says, you got to
Speaker 1: get up here. Richie Havens's playing tonight and I need
Speaker 1: you to help me park. So I said, well, I
Speaker 1: got to be home by midnight because my friend Charlie's
Speaker 1: coming in from New York on the train and the
Speaker 1: train station is right near my apartment. So I went
Speaker 1: up to the supper club work my shift and we
Speaker 1: were done. I did not have one drink because I
Speaker 1: was working. I get in my car at eleven thirty
Speaker 1: to get back to my apartment by midnight. And I
Speaker 1: drove out of the parking lot at eleven thirty at
Speaker 1: night and the next time I know, I'm driving my
Speaker 1: car around Mohegan Lake, and I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: Mohegan Lake. I didn't even know where I was, so
Speaker 1: it took me a while to figure out where I was.
Speaker 1: Back once and I was driving my car, so I
Speaker 1: literally had like and it was like the sun coming up,
Speaker 1: So it was probably about five point thirty, and so
Speaker 1: I had this time lapse and I'm thinking, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm driving by car. What happened to me? I pulled
Speaker 1: over and I was just mesmerized in the sky because
Speaker 1: I pulled over and this was a windy road around
Speaker 1: a lake, so it was really dark. I had to
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom so bad, but I couldn't. It
Speaker 1: was I just couldn't go. Something was wrong there, if
Speaker 1: you get my drift. And so I got back in
Speaker 1: the car, and I was kind of flustered, but I
Speaker 1: was in a really good mood, and I really felt special,
Speaker 1: like I experienced something I know I did. And I
Speaker 1: looked around my car. I was a smoker then, and
Speaker 1: my cigarettes were scattered all over the car. I found
Speaker 1: my jacket that was ripped in half, my cassette I
Speaker 1: had a cassette player, and the cassette tapes were all
Speaker 1: thrown around the car, and some of the tape was
Speaker 1: pulled out. It was just like a tornado hit the
Speaker 1: inside of my car, and I'm wondering what the heck happened.
Speaker 1: So I'm driving around this lake road and it happened
Speaker 1: to be about forty well probably thirty miles away from
Speaker 1: where I started, if not more. I lived about thirty
Speaker 1: miles away from the lake, so I was way over
Speaker 1: where I had to be. I finally found my way
Speaker 1: back on the right track to get home to my apartment,
Speaker 1: and I think I finally got home around six thirty
Speaker 1: or seven, and my roommate at the time, Annie, she
Speaker 1: greeted me at the door and she said, what the
Speaker 1: hell happened to you? We were so worried about you.
Speaker 1: Your friend Charlie's up in your bed. We waited as
Speaker 1: long as we could for you. You never called. And
Speaker 1: I told her the whole what happened to me, and
Speaker 1: she said, you're not going to believe this. Look at
Speaker 1: this book I'm reading, and it was Whitley Striver's Communion
Speaker 1: and it was right around that time that book came
Speaker 1: out and it was the bestseller, I think. And so
Speaker 1: she opens up the book and she opens to the
Speaker 1: section where Whitley has a time lap on Mohegan Lake.
Speaker 1: So there's my clarification again for this story. And I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what the heck happened to me? So Annie goes, well,
Speaker 1: let's look at you. You know, we were really open.
Speaker 1: I took off my pants and my shirt. She looked
Speaker 1: at my whole body and she said, I don't really
Speaker 1: see anything, but I felt this thing behind my ear.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, what's this thing behind my ear?
Speaker 1: It's never been there before. I'm still wondering what that
Speaker 1: thing is behind my ear because it gets bigger and
Speaker 1: smaller and bigger and smaller. I'd never talked to a
Speaker 1: doctor about it or anything, but I did try to
Speaker 1: get hypnotized, and I did it over the phone, and
Speaker 1: the woman got me into that meditative date and I
Speaker 1: just didn't like where it was going. So after an
Speaker 1: hour of being hypnotized by her, I got out of
Speaker 1: it and she said, no, did it work? And I
Speaker 1: said to her, basically, I don't think it did. I said,
Speaker 1: but I'll call you. We'll make another appointment, you know.
Speaker 1: So I did make an appointment with her, and then
Speaker 1: I candled it later because after that I was hypnotized.
Speaker 1: I came downstairs and I was working on my computer.
Speaker 1: I have this little shelf right by the doorway. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, one of the items on the shelf,
Speaker 1: it was a box of hand cream or cream or
Speaker 1: something that I had come in the mail flew. It
Speaker 1: did fall off the shelf. It flew across the room
Speaker 1: and I said, what is the he out loud. And
Speaker 1: then this little basket of stuff was sitting there that
Speaker 1: flew across the room like did not fall. It was
Speaker 1: like it was thrown across the room. So that's one
Speaker 1: of the reason why I've never asked to be hypnotizing
Speaker 1: or wanted to be hypnotized again. And after that, I
Speaker 1: had some weird, shadowy things happen, and then uh, I
Speaker 1: just prayed and you know, did the things I need
Speaker 1: to do to cleanse my spirit and my house. And
Speaker 1: nothing has ever happened with that again, I think, thankfully.
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Speaker 6: This time it knew is the x x X.
Speaker 1: And then the last thing and the reason why I
Speaker 1: went back to the store to my journalized story, which
Speaker 1: which I'm kind of going by my notes right now.
Speaker 1: I was at the chiropractor, which is probably about a
Speaker 1: thirty minute drive from where I live, and it was
Speaker 1: just a random day in February. It was a winter day,
Speaker 1: so I was coming back from the chiropractor at around
Speaker 1: five pm, so it was just about dark. I'm driving
Speaker 1: on the highway and there was really not many people
Speaker 1: out at that time. I don't know why. I guess
Speaker 1: it must have been a I think it was a
Speaker 1: Saturday or a Friday or Saturdays. It must have been
Speaker 1: a Saturday, because he's open on Saturday, and Saturday is
Speaker 1: not as busy and the winter, you know, on the highway.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I and this guy's going really slow in
Speaker 1: front of me, so I look to the left because
Speaker 1: I want to pass them, and I look up and
Speaker 1: where I am at the highway is kind of like
Speaker 1: a swampy area, kind of like a gully. So that's
Speaker 1: this gully area, and I'm looking left out my window
Speaker 1: to pass this guy, and I stop passing him. I
Speaker 1: get back in the lane because I'm looking up at
Speaker 1: the left at this huge five window. It almost looked
Speaker 1: like a storefront, just floating there as clear as day,
Speaker 1: even though it's night. I mean, it was clearly there.
Speaker 1: So I'm doing left to look at it, and then
Speaker 1: forward because the slow guy's in front of me is
Speaker 1: obviously saying the same thing. So then I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: get a picture of this. Well, there was no shoulder,
Speaker 1: So while I'm driving and staring at this thing and
Speaker 1: trying not get into a wreck, I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: my phone out of my pocket so I can have
Speaker 1: a picture of it. And just when I get my
Speaker 1: phone up, this firefly thing comes out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: lands right in the middle of this five windows ship
Speaker 1: and disappears. So I get home and I'm telling my
Speaker 1: partner this and I'm like, you're not going to believe
Speaker 1: what I saw, and I explained it to him. I said,
Speaker 1: wind the five huge storefront windows. It was like a
Speaker 1: grocery store front with the five windows sitting there. Yet
Speaker 1: there was no doorway. Obviously there were five big windows.
Speaker 1: The rest of it was black, and I really couldn't
Speaker 1: see many lights other than these five opaque windows, and
Speaker 1: you could tell there was some sort of activity going
Speaker 1: on behind there, but you like, you couldn't see silhouettes
Speaker 1: of people or anything, or aliens or anything. So so
Speaker 1: I'm telling him that. And then I got on the
Speaker 1: computer and I searched highway driving five windows, opaque, big ship, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking through, you know, my search, and I
Speaker 1: get on this Reddit post and this guy is telling
Speaker 1: the same as the story that I experienced. He said,
Speaker 1: I was on the highway, I looked to my one
Speaker 1: side and here's what I saw. I've opaque windows, and
Speaker 1: he goes, and I did even did a sketch of it,
Speaker 1: which I shared the sketch with you, Nick, And here's
Speaker 1: this sketch of exactly identically what I saw. So again,
Speaker 1: that's like where my clarification comes into play. That clarified me.
Speaker 1: What I saw is what I saw, you know kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Those are my experiences, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: they were so memorable for me because they were so
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. And I think that's why most
Speaker 1: of your most people who have had these experiences can't
Speaker 1: believe that they really truly experienced it. But if you
Speaker 1: have some sort of clarification, I mean, you know, that's
Speaker 1: all you need.
Speaker 4: Good stuff. Steven, Wow, that's a lot of very strange
Speaker 4: you go going on in your life?
Speaker 1: Oh god, totally weird, you know. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I didn't let it drag me down. I just kept going,
Speaker 1: you know, kept on going.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Indeed, yeah, you have provided a sketch for us. So
Speaker 4: this this five windowed object and what it does. Put
Speaker 4: that on the website so people can listen and then
Speaker 4: certainly go check it out. Can you remember any details
Speaker 4: about this object other than the windows?
Speaker 1: You know, I was trying to really when I was
Speaker 1: looking at it. You know, I'm an artist, so when
Speaker 1: I look at something unique, I really get just as
Speaker 1: in my memory, almost like a photographic memory type thing,
Speaker 1: just because of my training. I don't have a photographic memory,
Speaker 1: but you know what I saw was just what stood
Speaker 1: up the most were these five almost like I could
Speaker 1: compare it to you know, have you ever seen that
Speaker 1: white plexiglass material and then there's a light behind it
Speaker 1: and it diffuses it. That's kind of what it looked like.
Speaker 1: And then it was all black and bumpy. So in
Speaker 1: the sketch you can see he was this thing was
Speaker 1: I was under under it. This thing was not really high,
Speaker 1: but high enough where my visual angle was almost straight
Speaker 1: on to it, so I really couldn't see much depth,
Speaker 1: but those five windows were what stood out. And all
Speaker 1: I could think of is like when you drive up
Speaker 1: to a grocery store, be just the big storefront windows.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it reminded me of. And it
Speaker 1: was almost, I could almost say, it almost looked like
Speaker 1: a hologram.
Speaker 4: And this was in an area where you traveled quite
Speaker 4: a bit around.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was right off you know, a main highway.
Speaker 1: It goes east goes to New York City and west
Speaker 1: goes to Elmira, New York or or we Go. And
Speaker 1: I was coming from the small town of a Weego
Speaker 1: going home and it was between two exits that I
Speaker 1: frequently drive, so you know, it just took that, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to get in this other lane and look
Speaker 1: to my left and there it was kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's how all my experiences happened. They
Speaker 1: just happened. You don't know whether they're gonna what it's
Speaker 1: going to be or sometimes you know, the very first
Speaker 1: sighting I had was eating a sandwich in my kitchen
Speaker 1: and then you compare that with, oh, I'm going with
Speaker 1: my roommate to someone's cottage, which you do, or you
Speaker 1: go to a friend's and oh, good, well we'll stay
Speaker 1: at his house and stay overnight. And these guys that
Speaker 1: were talking to me like they knew me so well
Speaker 1: and that I would understand what they're telling me about.
Speaker 1: For some reason, it was just I can't even explain it.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I can tell when someone's lying
Speaker 1: or someone's not honest. You know, I pick up on that.
Speaker 1: I'm an mpath big time. These guys didn't have any personality,
Speaker 1: they had one. It was just a one level thing,
Speaker 1: and I always thought that was strange. I think about
Speaker 1: it now. I looked him up on Facebook and I
Speaker 1: tried to find this guy, you know what, maybe I
Speaker 1: could find it in somewhere, no record of him or anything.
Speaker 1: So and then the other experience that I had a
Speaker 1: Mohegan Lake and Whitley Streiber. I'm like I And it
Speaker 1: took years and years later I read more about Whitley
Speaker 1: Striber and I didn't really realize he had such a
Speaker 1: connection with these aliens after a while, and so that
Speaker 1: really blew my mind. You know, I think I was
Speaker 1: just chosen wrong time, wrong place, kind of thing or
Speaker 1: right place, you know, wrong time. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know it was this time laughs thing which was
Speaker 1: so freaking eerie because I was, like I said, I
Speaker 1: was driving my car.
Speaker 4: So you have by thirty mile away from where you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot to say tell you about the
Speaker 1: Since I was contract worker, I kept track of my
Speaker 1: mileage and there was no gas used. If I was
Speaker 1: driving around for five hours, I would have ran out
Speaker 1: of gas.
Speaker 4: Thirty miles away, used no gas, and everything within your
Speaker 4: car was kind of thrown around all over the place.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it was like, you know, I wanted a
Speaker 1: cigarette and there my cigarettes were not in the holder.
Speaker 1: There was a ripped open pack and then cigarettes all
Speaker 1: over the car my RiPP jacket. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: had been attacked or something, I would remembered it and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been driving my car when I came
Speaker 1: to kind of thing. And I forgot to add also,
Speaker 1: I know I was made to forget because I kept
Speaker 1: thinking about Thanksgiving dinner. That's all I wanted was Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: a big dinner. So when Annie checked me out and
Speaker 1: was telling me about the Communion book, and she said,
Speaker 1: I think you were abducted, and I'm laughing, and I'm
Speaker 1: like there's no way. And then after you think about
Speaker 1: what I experienced in that cottage, which was four years before,
Speaker 1: and then I thought, wow, something's going on. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, it just was mind blowing.
Speaker 4: So you think everything possibly could be connected.
Speaker 1: Well, I think so, I kind of do maybe. But
Speaker 1: the thing is is, I do have these recurring dreams
Speaker 1: about me talking to a couple. It's a man and
Speaker 1: a woman, and we're standing in this hallway and it
Speaker 1: all looks stainless steel. And the reason why I say
Speaker 1: that is because my grandparents lived in a oh their
Speaker 1: house was designed like especially for them in the I
Speaker 1: think it was the fifties, and everything was really mod
Speaker 1: and their whole kitchen was stainless steel. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I kind of correlate the stainless steel thing to that,
Speaker 1: because it seemed like I was staying in a hallway
Speaker 1: of stainless steel talking to this couple and I was
Speaker 1: saying to them, I can't believe we're here, and they
Speaker 1: we were both all three of us were shocked, like
Speaker 1: why how are we here? You know? And that's the dream,
Speaker 1: and it's very repetitive, and that's all. I have no
Speaker 1: other memory of anything other than what I experienced while
Speaker 1: I was on the earth. But I really felt like
Speaker 1: after reading Whitley's book and then looking at some of
Speaker 1: his recent most recent material and reading about his secretary
Speaker 1: and you know, all that crazy stuff, it just I
Speaker 1: feel like so in tuned with him because what I
Speaker 1: experienced was so similar to his. And then I looked
Speaker 1: and there's like massive records of site in the Hudson region.
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine, Whitley lived on Mohegan Lake, and
Speaker 1: I had never really been to Mohegan Lake before, so
Speaker 1: it was just so choice.
Speaker 4: And have you been back to Mohegan Lake, maybe have
Speaker 4: a drive around.
Speaker 1: I haven't, but I really should do that. But I
Speaker 1: did go back to where the cottage was, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't find the cottage, unfortunately, because I went to where
Speaker 1: that was near where I went to school. So I
Speaker 1: believe it was Victor, New York actually, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember the name of the lake, but I think it
Speaker 1: was Honeyoay Lake, I think it was called. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's just your basic lake with cottages on it. And
Speaker 1: so I drove around the whole lake and I tried
Speaker 1: to see if I could find where it was, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't driving obviously, so I didn't know where they
Speaker 1: were going, which I think about that now and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe how daring I was because I barely
Speaker 1: knew these people and I got in the car with
Speaker 1: him and stayed with them in a weekend on this lake.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess I was pretty uh ballsy bit then,
Speaker 1: but it was just such a different different time.
Speaker 4: Of course, YE had the things you do when you
Speaker 4: were younger. I mean, yeah, sometimes when you go to
Speaker 4: these area, back to these areas, sometimes that can trigger
Speaker 4: a memory or something.
Speaker 1: The one thing it did trigger was and this is
Speaker 1: funny because it's so minute, when I was out on
Speaker 1: the deck, they took forever to get these groceries. It
Speaker 1: seems like they were gone for over an hour. And
Speaker 1: being so creeped out in the house, I finally went
Speaker 1: out on the deck and I was laying in the
Speaker 1: sun for oh a good twenty so minutes, and I
Speaker 1: was remembering how hot it was and I started feeling sunburned.
Speaker 1: So I walked to the creek and found this weird
Speaker 1: prehistoric gem rock and took that put it in my pocket,
Speaker 1: and then continued on and they came home and all
Speaker 1: and those things happened. And then when I went back
Speaker 1: to class someone's on Monday. They said, wow, how did
Speaker 1: you get so much sun on your face? It rained
Speaker 1: all weekend here, And I remembered when I was sitting
Speaker 1: in the sun. You know how when you're sitting in
Speaker 1: the sun, the clouds drift by and shat at you
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, you're not in direct sunlight anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: there was an open circle right where the sun was
Speaker 1: shining down on me, and it stayed like that the
Speaker 1: whole time I was out there. I thought that was
Speaker 1: so odd, and so I do remember that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just took a look at that lake. It's a
Speaker 4: big old light.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I was going to ask if you did you
Speaker 4: try and look up Bill, see if it was any
Speaker 4: record or you know, certainly what he's doing now.
Speaker 1: Well, I never got his last name or anything, and
Speaker 1: damned if I know if his name really was Bill.
Speaker 1: But I just remember him saying, and they were talking
Speaker 1: about this planet Era, and I think it was Ea.
Speaker 1: I thought it was strange because I go error and
Speaker 1: they go, no, Era E R R A. And then
Speaker 1: I saw the sheet with the hieroglyphics and you know,
Speaker 1: and then that blue marble. And then then they said, well,
Speaker 1: we met him at a convention, and there was no
Speaker 1: real UFO conventions as much around the area I was in,
Speaker 1: so they had met they and I can't remember all
Speaker 1: the conversation, which I wish I could, but they did
Speaker 1: say something about the galact Or Federation and they were
Speaker 1: telling me a little bit about that, and they were
Speaker 1: really informative about stuff that really kind of flew over
Speaker 1: my head, you know a little bit. But just the
Speaker 1: things I found in that house, especially the creepy lady
Speaker 1: picture that looked like a hologram. It was the weirdest
Speaker 1: photo I had ever seen, like just sitting on a
Speaker 1: table like she was watching you. It was weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay, if there's any listeners out there which live
Speaker 4: around the lake, anyoy in contact with maybe you knew
Speaker 4: Bill or you've heard about Bill, or even if Bill's listening,
Speaker 4: get in contact.
Speaker 1: Great idea. It's a beautiful area. It really is all
Speaker 1: throughout New York. It's just it's just so beautiful. And
Speaker 1: you know, you can be in one area like where
Speaker 1: I live, all Valley, and then you can be at
Speaker 1: one of the finger Lakes, and it's just especially during
Speaker 1: the fall, it's just gorgeous.
Speaker 4: I do get a little guests from there, including one
Speaker 4: of my episodes is called Watkins Glen.
Speaker 1: Watkins Glen. Yeah, that's really close here. Beautiful area, all gorgeous. Ataica,
Speaker 1: New York, where Cornella is. I lived there briefly for
Speaker 1: a year, and I went to school in Rochester, so
Speaker 1: that was the Honeyway Lake. But then I worked after college.
Speaker 1: I had a job down in New York and I
Speaker 1: lived in White Plains, and then I lived in Mount
Speaker 1: Kisco and so I was always running around the whole
Speaker 1: Hudson Valley area. And the supper club that I worked
Speaker 1: in was north of where I lived, in a little
Speaker 1: tiny town called Palling and just a really cool hip area.
Speaker 1: Oh and I went to and I forgot. I wanted
Speaker 1: to add this after I had the experience of the
Speaker 1: time lapse in New York when I was working there.
Speaker 1: After the supper club, when I had the time lapse,
Speaker 1: after I left, I went to a show and I
Speaker 1: ran into this guy. It just was so ironic. It
Speaker 1: just I ran into this guy and he had a
Speaker 1: UFO pin on and I go, oh, where did you
Speaker 1: get that pin? And he said I'd make them. And
Speaker 1: he was at his car and and he showed me
Speaker 1: he had all of his pins, and he gave me one.
Speaker 1: I told him my brief synopsis of my experience, and
Speaker 1: he had almost exactly the same experience as I did himself,
Speaker 1: and that's why he was drawn to make these pins.
Speaker 1: So I got a pad from them. So there's so
Speaker 1: many of us out there that have had these experiences
Speaker 1: that just haven't don't share, you know, it's random when
Speaker 1: they share, indeed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's all these little synchronistis that you you
Speaker 4: get throughout your life, don't you.
Speaker 1: Oh really for sure? And I think you know, I
Speaker 1: hold in these stories so much. And when you finally
Speaker 1: meet someone that has had either a similar experience or you,
Speaker 1: you totally feel that they're open to listening. It makes
Speaker 1: you feel good.
Speaker 4: No, of course it does. Yeah, when people listen, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's always nice. And especially if it's a friend, can
Speaker 4: find a friend. Obviously not always the case, even though
Speaker 4: they've known you for years. They might step back and
Speaker 4: kind of look at your funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, you could tell me a
Speaker 1: funny story about your dog, and I might look at
Speaker 1: you funny too, you know. So I think today it's
Speaker 1: becoming more common to be able to open up about
Speaker 1: these things because I listen to you, I listened to
Speaker 1: George Knapp, I listened to so many things, and I
Speaker 1: was just listening to Linda Moulton Howe, and she's just amazing.
Speaker 1: She just is so into what's going on. It's just
Speaker 1: mind blowing to hear her.
Speaker 4: She did a lot of great work, especially with the
Speaker 4: cattle mumulations years ago with strange harvest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she's currently has a whistleblower on there
Speaker 1: and he's really his stories. It just makes you think,
Speaker 1: you know, if this guy can't be making up these stories,
Speaker 1: they're just so to the point. And you're listening to
Speaker 1: Linda converse with back and forth with him, you know,
Speaker 1: on his experiences and mesmerizing, You're like, well, yeah, that
Speaker 1: totally makes sense coming from me have had my own
Speaker 1: experience in sightings. When you hear others with scientific backgrounds,
Speaker 1: you know, discussing myths, but they're really there's proof out there, you.
Speaker 4: Know, absolutely, And i'd have to catch ouver. I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not caught her YouTube channel in a while, but
Speaker 4: I'll definitely do that. So your last experience was back
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. Have you had anything happen recently that
Speaker 4: you've noticed.
Speaker 1: It was just that strange hypnotist thing was weird all
Speaker 1: during while she was working with me. It felt so
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go the full route. I was
Speaker 1: afraid kind of. And then I had the paranormal thing
Speaker 1: of the things thrown across my room and I thought,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm done. I'm not going to dive
Speaker 1: into this anymore than I should because it was so
Speaker 1: many years ago. And yeah, there's a reason why I'm
Speaker 1: not remembering. I feel that I can't remember. They made
Speaker 1: me to forget definitely how I feel.
Speaker 4: I believe the reason why a lot of us don't
Speaker 4: remember certain things is because your memory either blocks that
Speaker 4: I or your memories being blocked out for you. And
Speaker 4: I think for some people it's okay to dip your
Speaker 4: toe in the pool sometimes forevers they may not want
Speaker 4: to get in completely.
Speaker 1: No, you know, I had a friend of mine that
Speaker 1: actually the one that saw the same ship I did
Speaker 1: that one day out of the blue. She was coming
Speaker 1: home from her job and I was going out, and
Speaker 1: we've discussed that before, and she goes, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a real freaky thing, but I don't believe in that
Speaker 1: frightens her, so she doesn't want to think about it.
Speaker 4: That's understandable. And a lot of people like that, even
Speaker 4: if they've had something happen, you know, they just want
Speaker 4: to stay completely indifferent from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I totally agree with that. But like I said,
Speaker 1: it's the clarification and the proof you get that is
Speaker 1: mind boggling, because you know, finding the same the sketch
Speaker 1: of the same thing I saw that I wish I
Speaker 1: could have taken a photo of. And then also the
Speaker 1: clarification of you know, just some of the little things
Speaker 1: that happened to me at the cottage. And then there
Speaker 1: was another Oh, the thing behind my ear. I mean,
Speaker 1: I should really get that checked out. That is. I
Speaker 1: had a doctor look at it once and he couldn't
Speaker 1: figure it out. But that was just in a check up.
Speaker 1: There's no mark or anything. It's just this nodule and
Speaker 1: it sometimes it goes away and sometimes then it comes
Speaker 1: back and it's right right now.
Speaker 4: It's big, so I don't know, And does it hurt
Speaker 4: or anything.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't hurt. But I was watching, Oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was, but it had something
Speaker 1: to do with people who have, you know, been abducted
Speaker 1: and they have these things removed from and they and
Speaker 1: they study them and they're like they can't figure out
Speaker 1: what material it's made out of, you know, kind of thing,
Speaker 1: which I think is you know, i'd rather not know,
Speaker 1: if you know, if it's not broke, don't fix it
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But of course, you know, if you know, if anyone
Speaker 4: out there, you know, does have a strange lump any sort,
Speaker 4: it's always good idea to get it checked out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: whether it's the possibility of being alien or not.
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you. When I picked up that blue
Speaker 1: marble that I thought was like, you know, a decorative thing,
Speaker 1: you know, well, this thing was I have never seen
Speaker 1: anything as beautiful as this thing. And it was looked
Speaker 1: like a sapphire blue. And as I had it in
Speaker 1: my hand and I was juggling it back and forth
Speaker 1: like it was the toy thing, I felt the best
Speaker 1: I've ever felt before in my life. It was a
Speaker 1: strange surge of energy that I felt from this thing.
Speaker 1: And he went, Dave went to grab it from me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to give it back, you know,
Speaker 1: And but he did. He finally took it away, and
Speaker 1: I was kind of saddened that I had to give
Speaker 1: it up because it was such a cool thing. You know.
Speaker 1: Crystals were really a big thing back then, and I
Speaker 1: think I even had one around my neck. Do you
Speaker 1: remember the you know, the hippie crystals that we'd wear
Speaker 1: around our necks.
Speaker 6: The long one.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: My mother, she has always been mad into crystals, and
Speaker 4: even when I was younger, I'd wake up and I'd
Speaker 4: put my hands under the pillow and I'd find a
Speaker 4: crystal of some sort into that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 4: She's not so bad these days, but yeah, all the
Speaker 4: time when we were younger, crystals everywhere. There would be
Speaker 4: amethice on the on the bookshelves, and you name it.
Speaker 1: I have a bit of a huge amethyst. Beautiful. But
Speaker 1: you know they can also absorb negative energy, so you
Speaker 1: gotta be careful.
Speaker 4: You'd have people going out to their crystal stores now
Speaker 4: and see if they can find any blue ball crystals.
Speaker 1: If you do, scarf it up, take it.
Speaker 4: For the healing energy. I think we could all do
Speaker 4: it sometimes.
Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt. But the entity thing where I
Speaker 1: bumped into the entity that was It was just one
Speaker 1: thing after the next, ted tach Cottage. You know, he's
Speaker 1: on the phone. I look out the window after he
Speaker 1: said watch out for don't worry about the unmarked black cars,
Speaker 1: and there's one in the driveway. Thing. It was just
Speaker 1: so surreal the whole thing that it just boggles my
Speaker 1: mind even to this day, because you know, you'd think, ah,
Speaker 1: they were prank, and you well, that was a really
Speaker 1: that would have had been a really killer prank because
Speaker 1: they would have had to fill those bookshelves with all
Speaker 1: that weird stuff I saw, like the iPad thing and
Speaker 1: then the musical instrument. When I was on that thing,
Speaker 1: playing around with it, I felt like I felt almost
Speaker 1: like I was in another realm, like I went to
Speaker 1: another place. Just was also surreal. And one thing that
Speaker 1: I didn't add and that I was in my that's
Speaker 1: in my story, is but when my mother died, I
Speaker 1: sat I played piano, and I sat down at the
Speaker 1: piano and I turned my recorder on and I just
Speaker 1: let myself. I thought of my mother, and this song
Speaker 1: came right out of me, didn't skip a beat or anything.
Speaker 1: It just came right out of me. And it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I played it for my mom's only sibling, her sister,
Speaker 1: younger sister, and I said, and I told her what
Speaker 1: I had done. I said, I just sat down at
Speaker 1: the piano and I really was channeling my mom and
Speaker 1: this is what came out. And I'm not a real
Speaker 1: big songwriter or classical composer or anything, and she just
Speaker 1: was floored. And I really think that, you know, when
Speaker 1: we're in turmoil and it's so emotional about losing someone
Speaker 1: so intense and close to you, you can almost do anything.
Speaker 1: And you know, music wise, I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: came out so emotionally for me, and when I played
Speaker 1: it back, it just really kind of just you know,
Speaker 1: I just went to another time in another zone and
Speaker 1: combine it in that three four minute piece.
Speaker 4: That's beautiful. I mean it was. It's the connection you
Speaker 4: have with your mother, isn't it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: And you know, I think they do come through us
Speaker 4: when they are gone. I don't think they ever really
Speaker 4: leave us.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I was going through stuff when my
Speaker 1: mom died and I found this felt tip. It was
Speaker 1: like a red felt tip marker I had used on
Speaker 1: a stenel pad, and I drew this huge face and
Speaker 1: it had huge eyes in it. And and I think
Speaker 1: I must have been about four years old when I
Speaker 1: drew that, so that I look at that now and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what made me draw the person with a
Speaker 1: huge head, a small body and huge eyes and pupils
Speaker 1: filled in pupils. It was just bizarre, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I think of weird little things through my childhood,
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of come into play with what
Speaker 1: I've experienced. I got. It's hard to express.
Speaker 4: But then you say that actually, because this had to
Speaker 4: be probably in the This was in the early nineties
Speaker 4: when I was reading Whitley Strieber's Communion and I had
Speaker 4: left it on the kitchen table and my mother was
Speaker 4: doing She's potting around doing stuff, and on passing the book,
Speaker 4: she just tapped the top of the book. You know,
Speaker 4: it's got that iconic alien image on there, and she
Speaker 4: just tapped the book and said, oh, I used to
Speaker 4: draw them, and then she just carried on about her day.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it isn't that funny. Yeah, And you
Speaker 1: know Whitley's book, that was one of the first books,
Speaker 1: well the first book with an alien gray image on it.
Speaker 4: That's all right. And it just so happened that my
Speaker 4: parents split up in back in the seventies. But it
Speaker 4: just so happened that at the time when I had
Speaker 4: finished reading that book, I actually wrote a letter to Whitley.
Speaker 4: So this is this is early nineties about my father's
Speaker 4: experiences because he had had abduction experiences throughout his life.
Speaker 4: So I had written to Whitley and i'd got it
Speaker 4: was a printed letter about thank you that we received
Speaker 4: all this and now we've inputted it into what they
Speaker 4: called what he called at the time as the Communion Foundation,
Speaker 4: which apparently was a few scientists. And I actually still
Speaker 4: have that letter still in the book. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's the original book I had, but it's still in
Speaker 4: the books somewhere folded up the old original letter.
Speaker 1: I think he's mentally exhausted over all of this stuff
Speaker 1: sometimes because it does zapple out of energy, out of
Speaker 1: just just you know, thinking about it constantly and so well,
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of had to step away from
Speaker 1: all this for so many years. It's just now that
Speaker 1: it's so exposed. I think that's what makes people more
Speaker 1: comfortable to express their you know, major experiences or you know,
Speaker 1: numerous experiences they've had throughout their life, especially people my age.
Speaker 1: That's what I like about your podcast is that it's
Speaker 1: everyday people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I may try and have Whitley on them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you got to tell them to listen
Speaker 1: into this because it was I was at this Town
Speaker 1: Crier supper club where I vallet parked cars for a
Speaker 1: brief time period because my friend he asked me if
Speaker 1: I would, you know, work with him for a while,
Speaker 1: and you know, I worked for the owner, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was just such a fun little job and we
Speaker 1: got to watch all the music and then part and
Speaker 1: then we'd get their cars and that would be the
Speaker 1: end of the night. So you're talking like, you know,
Speaker 1: seven to ten supper and music so usually I was
Speaker 1: done around eleven or eleven thirty, and so when you
Speaker 1: go out of the parking lot of this town Crier,
Speaker 1: you're like right on the highway. So the only thing
Speaker 1: I remember is driving up the ramp to get to
Speaker 1: the highway. And then I woke up driving on Mohegan
Speaker 1: Lake and when I pulled over, I had to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom so bad, so there was no way
Speaker 1: I was going to the bathroom. So I thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's not going to work. So I got back in
Speaker 1: the car, looked for a smoke, and that's when I
Speaker 1: realized all my stuff was scattered around. And then I
Speaker 1: finally found the Titanic Highway off of Mohegan Lake and
Speaker 1: I was able to find my way back home. But
Speaker 1: the next morning Annie was said, you got to check
Speaker 1: your gas mileage because I know you write it down,
Speaker 1: and so I had written down the mileage for when
Speaker 1: I left my apartment to get to the supper club,
Speaker 1: and that's all I had written. So we looked at
Speaker 1: the mileage and subtracted it, and there it was. There
Speaker 1: was no mileage. So that's what was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of the clarification on that one. It's something you know,
Speaker 1: time lapse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a strange one, all right, interesting.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 4: You know, certainly, do let us know if anything happens
Speaker 4: or if maybe you know, you cross paths with Bill again.
Speaker 4: I'd be interesting to know if he's still here or
Speaker 4: you know, maybe he's gone back to was it planet era?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Era? Well, the oh, I just I just can
Speaker 1: see it in my mind, you know, the pictures, the
Speaker 1: picture book. When I opened up that book of photos
Speaker 1: of him, he looked so nice and friendly and very handsome.
Speaker 1: And from nineteen fifties to current time, then eighties, he
Speaker 1: looked exactly the same, so that I remembered, you know,
Speaker 1: it stood out out to me because you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a big I'm a photographer and you know, more for
Speaker 1: fun and also some for work, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm looking at, and you know, you
Speaker 1: can tell, you know, age progression. So from the old
Speaker 1: photos in the front to the newer photos in the back,
Speaker 1: same person, there was no no age difference.
Speaker 4: I think we could all do with a bit of
Speaker 4: what Bill's gone.
Speaker 1: I know, And I feel like an idiot because I
Speaker 1: didn't pass his test. I wish I did, because if
Speaker 1: I did, maybe i'd know more, you know, obviously I would,
Speaker 1: but he the way he acted like Dave and his
Speaker 1: friend Dale, real friendly, never got upset to you know,
Speaker 1: like when I was talking to him on the phone,
Speaker 1: he was a one tone, happy, nice person, and he
Speaker 1: said he even told me on the phone, you know
Speaker 1: where he's from, and the like he knew me had
Speaker 1: or he had known me. And the other thing that
Speaker 1: I might want to add is the fact that I
Speaker 1: have RH negative blood and I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: familiar with OURGE negative. I'm a negative and there's a
Speaker 1: percentage and if you're RH negative or a negative blood type,
Speaker 1: they can't distinguish a small percentage of your blood type.
Speaker 1: Where it comes from.
Speaker 4: The plot thickens the plot does.
Speaker 1: Thicke it because they say most artists and creative people
Speaker 1: are RH negative blood type.
Speaker 4: A had several guests on that I've said the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know, if if these two guys that you
Speaker 4: went away with that weekend, if they were playing a
Speaker 4: joke on you, then they didn't break character all weekend,
Speaker 4: And like you said, you know, yeah, there's all this
Speaker 4: stuff around around the cottage, and so it's very strange.
Speaker 4: Of course, you know now and again, you know, meet
Speaker 4: someone that claims to be from another planet. I think
Speaker 4: that happens now and again. But also we do meet
Speaker 4: some very strange individuals that could quite possibly be from
Speaker 4: somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had someone on how he met a beautiful
Speaker 1: was absolutely gorgeous and wanted him to come with her
Speaker 1: and told him she was alien and that he could
Speaker 1: come with her. And I found that fascinating because I
Speaker 1: really could identify with what he was saying, because when
Speaker 1: you look in their eyes, you're like thinking, they're just
Speaker 1: not like us. So that's what made me think that
Speaker 1: Dave and Dale are like Bill and they were blending
Speaker 1: into society. And then see, he was older than I was,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was kind of odd that he
Speaker 1: just jumped up to and said you can stay with
Speaker 1: me kind of thing. And he really was a very
Speaker 1: warm person and caring. I never saw him in a
Speaker 1: bad mood. I mean I wasn't really paying attention to
Speaker 1: him because I was just rooming with him. But he became,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a close friend while I
Speaker 1: was rooming with him, and he tried to be, you know,
Speaker 1: make my life better because I was so stressed from
Speaker 1: all my school work, and you know, and then summer
Speaker 1: just flies by, and then the next thing, I know,
Speaker 1: I moved back home for the rest of the summer vacation.
Speaker 1: I was only living with him for like as long
Speaker 1: as my course work was, which I think was like
Speaker 1: a month and a half in the summer, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I went to look for him because he
Speaker 1: was going to stay in the same apartment for the
Speaker 1: fall semester. And I went to look for him and
Speaker 1: he was nowhere to be found. I thought that was
Speaker 1: really odd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just another odd kink in the chain, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And you know, it's funny because
Speaker 1: those little like you said, you know, you write something
Speaker 1: down and then you think of three days later, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: remember that, and you write that one down, and you know,
Speaker 1: so it was kind of that that kind of thing
Speaker 1: with the small little idiosyncrast that I experienced as well,
Speaker 1: like the little giggles that I kept hearing, the cloud
Speaker 1: formation and the rock and those were all just little
Speaker 1: things compiled. And you know, normally I can't remember what
Speaker 1: I had for breakfast two days ago, or you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yet that weekend was so indelible.
Speaker 1: I was also twenty two. I was also twenty two,
Speaker 1: so my mind was a lot sharper than so in
Speaker 1: my mind's eye, that weekend at the cottage was so
Speaker 1: significant because it was so out of this world. I
Speaker 1: could not pick up on anything. Like I got to
Speaker 1: the point where I just stopped saying, Oh, you're joking.
Speaker 1: Oh you're joking, you know, because that was me the
Speaker 1: all beginning of the time I spent with them.
Speaker 4: They didn't break character.
Speaker 1: No, there was no character to break. It was weird
Speaker 1: like they were so just one move. I can't even
Speaker 1: describe it. It was just so like almost robotic in
Speaker 1: a weird way.
Speaker 4: Okay, Steven, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that
Speaker 4: for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Oh it was wonderful. Thank you so much. It was great.
Speaker 4: It was wonderful to meet you. Okay, keep in contact
Speaker 4: all right, and we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: I will do next. Thank you so much. I have
Speaker 1: a great time, no problem.
Speaker 4: Take care and buy for now.
Speaker 1: Stephen, bye bye. Now.
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Speaker 4: Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out
Speaker 4: to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Speaker 4: Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Steven
Speaker 4: for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I
Speaker 4: will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and
Speaker 4: keep watching the skies. Goodbye, s