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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with mister Moore Jensen of the NBA podcast, fame

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of Yahoo's Sports, fame of HBO match Name, and of

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course only fans celebrity. We are gathered around the Hardwood

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Knocks NBA campfire today to say we don't care about

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Lebron James watch four point zero. We don't care about

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waiting for Jailen Duran to sign wherever he's gonna sign,

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which will probably be Detroit if not a sign and

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trade for another team. We're gonna go through the lay

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of the land post free agency craze. I think we've

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borrowing any surprise trades. We've exited the transaction tumult portion

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of the NBA offseason. So we're gonna take stock of

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every team. Doing the Eastern Conference today, we'll do the

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Western Conference I think is scheduled for as of right now.

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We're gonna do it on Friday, so you'll be listening

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to it shortly after that. But we're gonna begin with

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the East. Who's your next pick?

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Speaker 2: So my next pick in the Milwaukee Bucks. And it's

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almost unfair because I have questions and their needs everywhere,

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So like should we I just want to cover them

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because like maybe we should ask in reverse, what do

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they have covered Tyler hero I?

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Speaker 1: So short term you I think you can make the

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case that they're set with guards for Tyler Heiro, Ryan Robins,

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and Brandon Burry's being just to name a few. But

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long term, are you prepared to say anyone on this

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rosters just to dead on because we don't know what

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Burry's or even Nataman is going to become. So the

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answer is yeah, nothing like long.

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Speaker 2: We don't know check shit, Yeah, we don't know anything.

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And that's kind of why I want them cover it

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here because that's their need. Their need is talent, future talent,

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and maybe that doesn't come around this year. Maybe it's

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a it's unfair to put that moniker on them that

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they need talent, But I mean, we're doing a podcast

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about all forty teams, so we need to bring them

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up and right now. That is their need talent.

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Speaker 1: If I was to boil it down to an archetype

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of player, you go up and down their current depth

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chart their roster. Do they not have a single three

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and D wing on this team?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Not really, they just traded Torrian Prince and Gary Harris,

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who are imperfect answers to that question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not it's definitely not Kyle. It's not aj Green,

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Like Green comes closest, right, he comes closest. Is like,

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is the the guy with the most upside to answer

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that question? Is that Braydon Berry's.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, which I which in terms of upside that's problematic.

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But actually he might be the answer to that question

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right now too, because he's already good defensively, can score

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off motion, so he's probably the answer. But after that

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it's I don't like, can we three nata ment in there?

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I'm with you, it's not Kyle Kuzma. But you look

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at this team, I will say, so when you when

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we say they need talent, we're talking about long term cornerstones,

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because they actually have a lot of talent on his roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they right, but they don't necessarily have the

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type of talent that that moves the needle to a

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major extent, Right, I think that's fair to say who Jang? Well,

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they kept him, that's good. I mean when they I

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saw that, they didn't they renounce him or something. At

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some point I was like, what what is going on here,

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and then they still retained him. I was like, oh, like,

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don't throw this kid away. That'd be dumb. But then again,

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they also chose native end to the draft. And I'm

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still not sure what he actually does on a basketball floor.

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Speaker 1: But he's giving me which is awful, like poor man

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Zachary Resische vibes and that's not but he's so raw.

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Jonathan Wasserman, Bleacher Bords draft guru wasn't particularly high on him,

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but he even said the highest end outcome of him

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is just maybe someone that we really haven't like. There

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isn't a good analog for interesting. Bet Richard says Milwaukee

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needs to avoid relegation. I honestly know they don't. They

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don't control their own first round pick. They could, They

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could be in the relegation zone if they want. I

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think they have too much talent to be one of

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the Bond three teams. Why so, asked, Are they a

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case and Wallace suitor?

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Speaker 2: Sure? But to what end you see?

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Speaker 1: Would you rather Well, here's a question, would you rather pay?

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Because they're both gonna be up for new their new

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deals will kick in at the same time, would you

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rather pay Ryan Rollins or Casean Wallace, Ryan Rollins, So

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what I think just the offensive upside is high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the shooting the creation absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Regularly ask what happens to Tyler Hero. I don't which

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did we go through any teams yet that would actually

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make sense for a time. I think he's good and

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he's on an expiring and contract. I just don't know

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what you get for him, right, But I think he

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gets traded. I would be pretty so. I know he's

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a Wisconsin native, but I'd be surprised if he's on

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the bucks pass to trade that line, I would agree.

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Speaker 2: I think he's an obvious trade candidate. I have no

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idea where he goes, but like someone is going to

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need the offense, and look, he's extension eligible. So there's

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also this finagling of trying to figure out from other teams,

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like what can we actually offer, can we have permission

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to negotiate with his age? And like what are we

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looking at? Because apparently like the Wizards had a commitment

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from Trey Young in terms of the extension before they

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traded for him, So that's a thing now.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I wasn't completely buying if it wasn't

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Brooklyn who seemed they were just desperate to get someone

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like him there. I wasn't buying that there was another

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team that was going to be prepared to right right,

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maxim Ount, Uh my turn, let's go with Let's go

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with Washington. We talked about out at length the other day.

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I'm going to I'm not sold on the shooting around

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this team just yet, but I'm gonna go with point

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of attack defense instead. There's really oh when you're looking

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at who needs to guard the primary ball handlers. Last year,

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their top four in the percentage of defensive possessions spent

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guarding primary ball handlers. One of them is off the team,

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but their top four was Trey Young, Trey Johnson, Bub

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Carrington and CJ. McCollum. That is not okay if you're

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looking to have a good defense. And while I do

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think now they've backstopped them, they just have a lot

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of size on the back line with Anthony Davis, DeAndre

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and Alexar Tritian Vuksovich is there, He's not really known

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as a defender. I don't like, who do you trust

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is a point of attack defender on this team? But

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law Koulabali can do some of it, but I think

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you also want him on the wings just because they're

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like Keishawn, George is fine. Will Riley might be fine.

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I like both of those guys, but they're not. But

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they needed if they were gonna go out, they got

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Chris Middleton back for some reason. That was just the

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The Dallas Mavericks and Washington passing d Loan Chris Middleton

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back and forth is kind of funny. But I would

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have preferred them to like, can you go out and

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get a Chris done for this team? Rather than did

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you need a Chris Middleton? They traded for the wrong Chris.

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That's that's the more okay?

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Speaker 2: That fair? Uh? To answer your question, yes, I would

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have Billa Kullabli as my point of attack defender because frankly,

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I feel more comfortable with the Bonza and Trey Johnson

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and and Will Riley, keech Or George and so on

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and so on to cover wings. Look, if I'm gonna

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have to find value in Kulabli moving forward, because he's

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extension eligible, he's going to be a restricted free agent

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next year. If he doesn't sign an extension, you are

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gonna need to figure out what the hell he is

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and if he's not the offensive player that your envisioned,

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at least turned him into one of those absolutely insanely

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switchable defense right. Like, you have to find some type

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of use for him at this point. I don't want

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to just stick him on wings. I want to throw

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him into the deep end of the pool and just say, look,

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this is going to be your fourth year. It's it's

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just time. It's time that you you really showed us

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that you're worth of huture commitment for For our point

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Speaker 1: I think they would be an interesting and then probably

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have to be other teams involved just because of the money. Okay,

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So he's looking to say they would be a good

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lou door team. I know he doesn't check the shooting box,

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but that's the I think that's the level of guy

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that would help out. They make everyone because do you,

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I know you're okay? Blah Kulabali ag de Bon says

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that like those aren't. I don't know if I want

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those guys in the point of attack roles in general, Okay,

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because one, I don't know if the bons I can

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do it. I feel like he's going to be but

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he needs to be against probably guys that are how you.

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Speaker 2: Know that's super tax that I also only mentioned, Like,

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I don't know why you're throwing Aj in.

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Speaker 1: There just because he's I'm talking about like their core players,

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is it? Do you want Keysjan George or like you

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have to look at because they don't have it in

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a guard is my point. It's not Carrington, it's not

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Trey Johnson, it's not Trey Young.

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Speaker 2: Justin Champagne john Justin Champagne. I'll give a crack at

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that role as well. Fair.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I how high end is that?

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of They have a lot of wings on this team,

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which makes it interesting. But I don't know, Like Blakula

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just an extra body, like warm body who can handle

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those responsibilities. So Chris Dunn would be the name I

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would circle, but if lou Dorp becomes available, although the

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Wizard's salary structures all sorts of messed up too. I mean,

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they have DeAndre Ayton's deal that they could ship off

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to another team now. But yeah, so Wizards, I'm going

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with point of attack defense. Shooting is depending on how

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much you trust Keijan George. Yeah, Trey Johnson, Will Riley,

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that might be a need block, Hoobell. He has not

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shown enough there. And if you're gonna start or excuse me,

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if you're gonna add any point play Davis and Sar,

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you really need Sar to become just a decided the

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above average shooter. Two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the New York Knicks. Who

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little bit more scoring pop off the bench. And look,

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it's not a lot, but we have to find needs

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with everyone, and that's the one I have. Just I

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would like to have someone else come off the bench

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with a little bit more ability to self create and

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go get a bucket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's totally fair. It Also,

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you have Jose Alvarado and Duce McBride and Jordan Clarkson,

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but you don't necessarily have that B plus ball handler

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behind Jalen Brunson right now. And I think When you

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look at the passing creation on this team, Karnthie Towns

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has passes statistically the past two years have been the

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highest quality. When you're looking at the shots they've generated,

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there's I don't know if you have enough of a

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backstop like Jalen Brunson having wrist surgery is kind of

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a oh crap moment because you only need him right

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for the playoffs, but it just kind of reminds you

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how fragile it feels like their offensive infrastructure might be.

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your bench concerns. If the way they use kar Anthy

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different doors and you can run different where you're never

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without a top tier offensive engine there and like something

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I actually have it as they need a better backup center.

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Robinson to Andre Drummond. I just Andre Drummond is graded

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points saved per one hundred possessions. I think once his

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no one's as good as Mitchell Robinson there, and Drummond

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does enough of it. So when I saw them linked

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to Jannis valenciunis that's the wrong answer when you already

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have Andre Drummond on your team. I think they need

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a more mobile backup five, which is why the report

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that they were linked to a Musa diabate in trade talks.

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I don't the salary structure fits. I don't know how

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many seconds it would take to get him, because Charlotte

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has a trillion of those. But I also don't think

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you're getting a first for Musa when he's about to

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enter free agency. But that's the type of big they need,

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and he's not on the open market right now. I mean,

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but they need to trade I think for another backup big,

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and I again but another ball handler. I wouldn't hate either,

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but I think that a backup big is just more

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pressing in the sense of Karl Anthony Towns even in

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the playoffs. Isn't gonna play forty eight minutes a game.

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Speaker 2: I think that's reasonable. So who should next you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Orlando Magic because we haven't

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talked about shooting enough more. It's just shooting for this team. Yeah,

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still right. You could talk yourself into they need more

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guard creation, but I just think, look, if Polo and

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Franz and Desmond Baine and Anthony Black are all healthy,

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they're gonna be fine. Desmond Baine is the only trustworthy

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catch and shoot and pull up threat from deep on

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this team. Trustworthy. You want to squint and say, what

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if John sucks is another really good year, or if

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Tristan de Silva shoots it? Okay, maybe Paulo gets better

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or Franz gets better. Sure, it is very much Desmond

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Bane and that is that is it. And this team

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is into the luxury tax right now. I think there

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were they ten million over the first Apron or something.

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I'll go double check that. I don't know where they

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get it from or how they get it. But that

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needs to be Go out there and get Bryce sense

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cheap I'm trying to think of like cheap shooters. Go

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get Vic Crachi from.

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Speaker 2: I love that you went Sensu box. You know how

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big of a fan I am his?

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Speaker 1: So, yes, I did not. I didn't know you liked

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Bryce Sensaba at all. I did when you said that

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they should max him out in extension talks.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's what I said. That's true. We are

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Jamal Kane dunks frankly, I don't know if you remember

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that one against the who was Durham he dunked on.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, well look that counts as vertical spacing then, right,

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so look they're solid. But yeah, so they they are

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as of right now, they're what are they there? Over

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the tax by or they are? Do we think they

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even finished that? They have ten million in first apron space?

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Excuse me, that's why we spoke. So they just don't

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have a Oh no, they're ten yeah, they're ten million,

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they're over yeah, excuse me over So I don't know

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how they get a dumb If anything, I'm gonna think

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they're looking to cut costs. But at some point, can

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you turn go go? But although I guess Mo Wagner

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is not there anymore, so do they need him when

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you're looking at kind of their backup big man rotation,

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like do you how do you feel about is they

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can come? Oh they have boots now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Can you turn go go? But Todd's a seven point

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six number into some type.

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Speaker 2: Of resigned didn't he or did he go somewhere else?

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Speaker 1: No? No, he went to Ah, he's got a mutual

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option in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Sir, come on, Oh that's true. Yeah, okay, that's true.

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My bad.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Jace Richardson pops this year or do we see

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a lot of Javon Carter Anthony Black gonna be a

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better shooter? They just need they need better shooters.

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Speaker 2: They they yeah, and they need to figure out their

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salary strugs because more.

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Speaker 1: We have some breaking news that complicates this, that complicated

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an exercise we already did a little bit. Okay, developing.

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This is from Sean Sharania. The Los Angeles Clippers Toronto

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Raptors trade centered on Kawhi Leonard will not be completed

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until the NBA investigation into the Clippers is over.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's awkward. It's a lot awkward.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, so you know what.

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Speaker 1: There's a long statement from the Clippers, but I don't know.

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It just said for the past ten months, our organization

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has fully cooperated with an NBA investigation, participating in dozens

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of interviews, providing tens of thousands of documents, and facilitating

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access to our staff. While the process has been challenging,

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we have remained committed to transparency. On June thirtieth, we

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reached an agreement in principle to trade Kawhi to Toronto.

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We have since been informed that the trade can only

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be finalized if the Raptors ownership group assumes the risk

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of penalties related to contract.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to read the rest of the statement

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because it's really long and I want time to digest

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it since we're reading it live. That is interesting. They

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did close with We remain confident that when the facts

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are evaluated fairly and thoroughly, the NBA will confirm exactly

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what we have said from the beginning. We have not

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done what we are accused of doing. This is actually insane.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is, Yes, it is that is That is wild?

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That is absolutely wild.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what to I don't even know

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what to do. You have any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Just look, I mean, at the end of the day,

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I'm probably not surprised, Like again, that investigation was real.

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I mean, this is NBA business daddy coming home and

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saying no, no, no, no, no, We're not playing like this. Frankly,

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I get it. I've been very critical of the league

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over the past year or so with a lot of

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things that they've implemented. I agree with this one. I

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think this is a completely fair and reasonable thing where

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they've come in and basically said, no, we need to

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get some ducks in a row before everything happens here.

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Speaker 1: Well, couldn't you? I'm if the NBA is actually going

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to punish the Clippers yet, like it turns out that

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they they find we didn't do what we're accused of doing.

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Speaker 2: Let's be more.

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Speaker 1: Vague than that. If we find out that they are

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they did what they were accused of doing. Couldn't you

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if you're making the Kawhi Leonard trade, I guess the

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concern is because his contract could be voided, Because couldn't

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you just retroactively say we're docking the Clippers those draft picks,

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Like what is it? Do you know what I mean? Like,

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what is the what becomes the harm in letting this

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deal go through if you end up having to punish

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the Clippers?

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Speaker 2: So so like the draft picks goes where just back.

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Speaker 1: The routs just end earlier. We have twenty nine picks

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that year, they shouldn't go back to Toronto. That'd be main.

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Speaker 2: Right, could you imagine? No? But like I hate all right,

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I hear what you're saying. I just hated because that

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means there are at least some one player not getting drafted.

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I and that's just that sucks, Like you want to

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get drafted. Yeah, I guess you could finagle it. But

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I actually appreciate the way that this has developed. I

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think that's this is the right approach, basically taking its

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steps and then if the league comes up finding nothing,

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which okay, yeah, then you can just go ahead as planned.

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But this complicates their off seasons, both of them significant.

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Speaker 1: Get ready to speak Canadian Paul George, there's like here

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because they're not bringing Brandon Ingram back, right, They're gonna

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go and trade. Uh, They're gonna trade with Paul George

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or something they go after trade Murphy. Yeah, that's that's what. Also,

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how do you let that leak without, you know, without

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kind of confirming with the league that we can trade

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Kawhi Leonard? Then why do you try to trade Kawhi Leonard?

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That is that's mind melding to me that the Clippers

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didn't have confirmation they could do this before, not that

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they had confirmation, but that this wasn't How is this

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not a stipulation or known beforehand?

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Speaker 2: And then they were seeking that Toronto took which they

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absolutely should not be on the for No, No, that's ridiculous.

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Which is also is that that bit of a smoking gun?

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Oh yeah, like if you guys take the take the findes,

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like what really, Like that's kind of assuming that something's

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going to be found, right?

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Speaker 1: I don't I honestly don't know, because also do that

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is the investigation over? Because it doesn't sound like it's over.

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So what are you saying, Like what if it's not

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over by the start of the regular season.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm guessing he's not going to play

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until after it's over.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Kawhi, you don't think we'll play for

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the if he uh, well, I guess that. I don't know.

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I feel like their working relationship with the Clippers is

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fine enough that he.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, I'm sinking. I'm saying the league

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could might come in and say, look, until all of

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this is clear, we're just not playing like we're.

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Speaker 1: But then where were where was this last year? Then? Though?

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So they let him play last year, but we can't

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play next year. That's so great.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't disagree with you, but like, now

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that this is out, they have to follow through, right,

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like they have to do something. Get They can't come

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out and do this and then and then afterwards feel

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like will and Nilly and going, oh, it's fine. He

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plays like this is salary caps for convention and Kawhi's team,

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you know, has agreed to it in some capacity like this,

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there should be some level of penalty raced against him too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about one. I want

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to know just what my biggest qualm is. How was

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this not something that was taken to before the trade

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was agreed upon. I don't, I just don't. The Rafters

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can't do this trade now, you can't accept the penalty.

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So you're gonna trade draft picks for Kawhi Leonard and

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then get docked draft picks potentially. Yeah, So I just

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don't I don't know how I feel about said if

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you let him play last year while the investigation was

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going on, I don't understand why this move can't grow

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through and then you can rect it, like just dock

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them the picks after the trade and then you know what,

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put those Adam silver loves having tournaments, have a tournament

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to see who gets those picks, the spots line or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. Come on, guys, go out in plates

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to see if we can find your replacement. Come on,

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come on, well they could.

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Speaker 1: Put Look, I'm just saying this feels like to me,

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by the league, feels like a weird line to draw

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unless they got the results and they're in which case,

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well then okay, levy the punishment. So I just I

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guess what I'm most thrown by is just how was

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this not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: This is something that should have been clarified like before

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the trade deadline, because people were wondering if they were

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gonna trade Kawhi. Yeah, so that's that's what I don't

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understand here and now I'm sort of is there so

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I can ask you this question. Is there a team

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Qui's back on the Clippers right now? Now you know this,

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Is there a team that should just go out and

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trade for them anyway.

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Speaker 2: Like with assuming the risk of Pedalsy, well, could you

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do this?

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Speaker 1: You just get what if it's Toronto, you just get

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rid of the picks? Like is that just what happens

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now or is it?

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Speaker 2: Oh so you basically sell the Clippers. We'll do this

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trade regardless, but like we're not giving you the picks.

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That's gonna be the compensation for us, Like taking the you.

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Speaker 1: Risk Kaui's contract getting voided, I guess would be part

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of the punishment. Yeah, Or here's one if let's let's.

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Speaker 2: Say he's back, You're getting off the the You're getting

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off the contract of brandon Ingram, So like sure that

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might be worth it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering, like that might be is now

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does the cost of the Kauhi trade? And then then

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I won't feel bad for the Clippers If the Toronto

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Raptors get out of this wall acquiring Kwhi Leonard for

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less draft compensation, All right, then you know what that's

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on the that's still a little insane though that one, again,

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this wasn't established. But two, he could play for you,

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but you can't necessarily just I find the thought process here.

470
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,759
Someone can says that, what do you think if this

471
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,359
trade doesn't go through? What do you does? Does one

472
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,240
Toronto still trade brandon Ingram somewhere else?

473
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,839
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if someone wants him again. I thought

474
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,079
the Clippers did this a little bit out of necessity.

475
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's just he's not a two

476
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:34,480
year deal and as someone who can eat up offensive possessions,

477
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,119
I don't know it's.

478
00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:37,519
Speaker 2: And he looked like a damn g leaker in the playoffs.

479
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, no, but he did.

480
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: He was so bad. Come on, you saw this.

481
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,799
Speaker 1: He was he was injured, and there's just like a

482
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,039
lack of other I mean, Scottie Barnes was killed like

483
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,960
he's I don't know what you want.

484
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,839
Speaker 2: He was also injured, then why play him?

485
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,759
Speaker 1: But did you look at what? Did you see how

486
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,680
Cleveland was guarding him because the lack.

487
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: Of an other series? Yeah, I saw it, and I

488
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,000
still think he took stupid ass shots.

489
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: That is all I think. Branding was bad in the playoffs,

490
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,799
and the fact that you think nobody should trade from

491
00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:13,039
him is perhaps one of.

492
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,799
Speaker 2: Your worst I'm saying it's a lot of money. It's

493
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:17,880
a forty plus million dollar con That is not what

494
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,000
you just said. Yes, forty million dollars a lot of

495
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,880
money that's tied Like look, look, Kevin Herder played like

496
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,359
crap in the playoffs too, but he's only okay, he

497
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,920
signed for a year, but okay, you know what I mean, Like,

498
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,759
that's not the deel break, like the salary attached to

499
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:36,640
his name when.

500
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a value contract. I think the

501
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:44,119
idea that Brandon Ingram isn't a valuable player to me

502
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160
or like it would be Oh wait we have it

503
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,519
is this Raptor. Oh let's see the Raptors. This is

504
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,079
now from this How do we like this unfolding from

505
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,039
Scham's The League informed us that, as a result of

506
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:00,279
the ongoing investigation of the Clipers, would ass the risk

507
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,440
of any potential outcome of the investigation impacting Kawhi. In

508
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:05,440
light of this, we will wait until the league's investigation

509
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,119
is complete. The Raptors remain eager to bring Kauhi back

510
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,039
to Rono and look forward to a swift resolution for

511
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:15,000
our players, our organizations, and our fans. So does that

512
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:20,119
mean we should expect we should uh slam o'clock says

513
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,200
Herder was a doctor injured. To be fair, Kevin Hurter

514
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,960
hasn't made a three in like three years though. To

515
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,200
be even more fair, since the Light the Beam season,

516
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,640
he's been pretty bad. Man, I guess so my read

517
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,640
on this is that we should expect the investigation to

518
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,000
be done shortly. Otherwise this is just super awkward forever.

519
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,680
You can't just wait until the investigation, Like, oh, so

520
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,200
it's now we're in November and the investigation's done. It's

521
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,119
like what has happened since then?

522
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:52,839
Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, yeah, I don't even know how we continue

523
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,519
with this because like we just wrapped up the matchic

524
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,319
and now we're gonna go needs with someone else, Like

525
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,640
I this was.

526
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,039
Speaker 1: This is a good point, by the way, from a

527
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,000
why so Toronto getting punished for a scandal that tamper

528
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:06,559
to gets them in the first place is bullshit and

529
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:08,920
a reminder that Canadian teams that anything don't matter to

530
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,759
these losers. I don't know who's ah, it's a quote.

531
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:13,880
I don't know who said that, but it is I

532
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,799
don't understand why Toronto would have to assume the risk

533
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,640
I agree at all. If they're agreeing to I guess

534
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
should they assume the risk of his contract getting voided? Though?

535
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if his contract is getting voided, I

536
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,640
assume that would happen in Los Angeles, Toronto, or a

537
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,799
third place where he ends up. I mean, that's just.

538
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,519
Speaker 1: Not well, that's my point though. It's just because the contract,

539
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,079
if part of the punishment was always going to be

540
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,720
the contract was voided, I guess I might understand that

541
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,000
part of it. But when they say assume the punishment

542
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:47,519
is it you have to give up you get doc

543
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,519
draft picks because kawhi' is on your team, that makes

544
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:50,119
no sense to.

545
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:54,279
Speaker 2: Me, right right, No, I'm going to follow this so

546
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,920
thoroughly because this this is nuts. Have we ever seen

547
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,599
anything like this?

548
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,799
Speaker 1: I mean, think of rescinded trade. This is kind of

549
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,519
like a rescinded trade for the moment, right right right.

550
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,559
Speaker 2: But those it's primarily off of, like medicals.

551
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,519
Speaker 1: Mark Williams do not as a bout of unis. I'm

552
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,359
trying to think of other like what other.

553
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,799
Speaker 2: Dwight this is Tyson Chandler to, Okay, see.

554
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: This is crazier than what Dwight Howard did right where

555
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,039
he was on a plane, like he was getting traded

556
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,599
on a plane and decided that he didn't want to

557
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,920
leave the Magic at one point. This is even more

558
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:26,880
bonkers than that.

559
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, this league, man, this league.

560
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,559
Speaker 1: The Richard says, the league didn't tell Miami about the

561
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:35,880
terrors he investigate and let them trade for him and

562
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,000
then didn't let him play.

563
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: This is par for the course, oh, Howard, Beck says

564
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,079
the same thing you said, like two immediate thoughts. One

565
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,240
you think they would have consulted the league office before

566
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:50,000
agreeing to the deal? Uh too, Though I don't want

567
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:51,480
to jump to yeah, go.

568
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,519
Speaker 1: Ahead, it's not even before the deal. This is a

569
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,079
shot like leading into the trade that like why was

570
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,279
this not talked about?

571
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:00,519
Speaker 2: And then he also says, which I agree with, though

572
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,880
I don't want to jump to conclusions. This certainly leaves

573
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,720
open the possibility of the Kawhi's contract gets voided, which

574
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:09,920
would sort of ruin the trade, which, yes, yeah, who

575
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,839
benefits the most?

576
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Listen, where's Kawhi Land If his contract gets voided? Who's

577
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,279
the team that comes in there and cap space is gone.

578
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: For the most part, right, So so what is he

579
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,359
looking at like mid level?

580
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Warriors for them, they could open the non tax.

581
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,640
The Warriors could open the non tax.

582
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,119
Speaker 2: I mean that might be enough to get them Lebron

583
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,640
instead of trading for Anthony Davis.

584
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:38,359
Speaker 1: This is insane.

585
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:39,759
Speaker 2: This is insane.

586
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,079
Speaker 1: Yes, this is insane. And this is even different. Richard

587
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,319
said about Miami. I guess it's a fair point one.

588
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:46,720
I want to know how it didn't come up in

589
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:51,599
their due diligence of this though, regulator says the Pistons

590
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,039
do have space. I keep assuming Jaalen Duran is gonna

591
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:54,920
come back.

592
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: The business were waiting on this, they were playing this.

593
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,279
Speaker 1: They go and they just signed Kawhi Leonard for that

594
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,799
would be insane. Uh. This is just different because we've

595
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,200
now everyone's known about this, including both of the teams

596
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,119
involved in the trade, and nobody thought to get this

597
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,279
confirmation beforehand. My god, h this is confused. A great theater,

598
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:22,160
but this, this particular situation could have been totally avoided.

599
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

600
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: Uh, we gotta get back. I think we only have

601
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,720
one team left, right, Oh no, we have two.

602
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,359
Speaker 2: We pick too at least right, Uh, whose.

603
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,359
Speaker 1: Pick is it?

604
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: It's you? You chose Orlando, didn't you?

605
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

606
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, she picked the bulls.

607
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's waiting for you to pick the bulls.

608
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,039
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Brooklyn Nets, all right, lame,

609
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,359
but I want you to pick the bulls.

610
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: All right, you picked the Brooklyn Nets. You care to

611
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:51,200
get into what their needs are?

612
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: Look at that roster everything, I don't I just again,

613
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,440
this is such a This is a Milwaukee situation all

614
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,920
over again. Basically we have to go through every single team,

615
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,599
and this team just needs so many things. They need

616
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,920
reliable guard play. I mean, kil Brown, good choice. I

617
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,400
want to see him get off the ground quickly and

618
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,160
we'll see if he does that or if this is

619
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200
a one of those situations where it's a slow start.

620
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,519
But overall, I don't like the guard rotation as is.

621
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,000
The wing situation is completely devoid of interest. The big

622
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,000
man situation is Julius Rental and den Sharp. I guess,

623
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,839
Noah Clowney, you want to throw him in there? Just

624
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,920
why not? But like this roster is just so weird,

625
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:46,559
So perhaps their biggest need is rosters, symmetry, line up, symmetry.

626
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: So it's interesting for them. I have a wing slash

627
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,559
combo forward of the future, just because I think you

628
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:58,039
can talk yourself into there's Jaeger, Joe Man, there's Mikel Brown,

629
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,279
and you could say, right, they have the base line

630
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,640
of or if you like Nolan trey Or, can can

631
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Yegor Joeman play the three and like you view those three?

632
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,200
But when you look at just the three four spot

633
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,519
just I don't think I like Drake Powell, but doesn't

634
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,680
seem like he checks that box. Julius Randall short term answer,

635
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,759
Mo Wagner short term, Kean Ellis short term, Michael Porter Junior,

636
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,799
Josh why not short term? And so it gets into

637
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,640
the oh, they just need talent, because you could sit

638
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,400
here and say, well, do they even have their center

639
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,279
of the future, like that's not necessarily dayron sharp h.

640
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160
But to not really even have a candidate for like

641
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,880
a combo wing of the future feels a little because

642
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,519
at least now you kind of look at it and

643
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,160
it's all right, like Mikel Brown and Yegor Joeman they

644
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,000
got some real and Nolan trey Or they got real

645
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,799
guard and Drake Powell is it too? They got some

646
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,920
real guard prospects in there. I think they need more

647
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960
flyers on the wing. I like Joshua Jefferson's probably my

648
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,960
favorite wing prospect. That I like it more than Drake Powell.

649
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,079
That's probably my favorite wing prospect they have. But that's

650
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:53,200
not that's not a lot.

651
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: Nope, Nope. I at this rate, I'm just curious that

652
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:00,720
what they're going to do again. You and I we

653
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,480
disagree on this. I I did not love their draft

654
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,319
last year. I just I didn't love it either.

655
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: I just think that I think the whole oh, they

656
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,920
have five point guards was wildly inaccurate type deal. That's

657
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,799
anopsis of it.

658
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,039
Speaker 2: Oh at five point No. I I just think they

659
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:20,440
went over five in the first round. But I mean

660
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,480
that's that's where I'm at. Uh So again we're going

661
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,480
back to talent level. I think you're right, and maybe

662
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,440
maybe maybe we could just sum it up. I just

663
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,279
don't even care about positional need right now. Just find

664
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,000
a number one guy. Find the guy. Maybe they did,

665
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,839
maybe it's me kil Brown. We don't know, Like I'm

666
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,400
for that, but right right right, he is there.

667
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: I think MIKEL. Brown is very clearly their highest end prospect.

668
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,240
I like Jegor Joeman. But unless he just has some

669
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,359
type of you know, getting inside the arc finishing chops

670
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,000
that we haven't seen. Uh yeah, I'm gonna pick so

671
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:56,200
two teams left.

672
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: I'm I thought, yeah, I thought we only have one

673
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,039
team left.

674
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: I was mathing off of eyesight. I'm gonna go with

675
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480
the Hornets because that'll force you to pick the Bulls next,

676
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,559
which is just I will.

677
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,119
Speaker 2: Didn't we get didn't we all? God damn it. I

678
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:11,880
thought we had gamed it wrong.

679
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Sucks for you, sucks for you, the Hornets. I was

680
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:18,239
tempted to go with playmaking, just because I don't know

681
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,320
that Christian Anderson, Kobe White, Kanka Nipple is gonna like

682
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,840
his for in terms of half core creation for everybody else.

683
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,320
I don't know if that's gonna be enough, and we

684
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,280
don't have the data. Kobe White played seventy four possessions

685
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,519
with Miller andk Nipple and no LaMelo last year, so

686
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,159
they did lose what I think is a transcendent playmaker

687
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,159
in Lamello. I think this is another team though that

688
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,519
needs point of attack, wing defense, just name it. At

689
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,719
this point, I mean not that I was I'm not

690
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,199
a Josh Green guy, but he was you kind of

691
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,480
just lost that body to throw at other dudes. So

692
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,519
you have Miller, who I think is fine. Royce O'Neil's

693
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,039
kind of I don't want to say he's washed, but

694
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,920
he's not great on that's like it's kind of Brandon

695
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,159
Miller and Seon James. Now, so I think you need

696
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,320
there needs to be somebody else, like we're getting into

697
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,719
what is Grant Williams Okay, switchable t Johnson, excuse me, athletic?

698
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,960
They need like they need, they need the guy you

699
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,800
look at and say, oh, he's all defense and that

700
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,679
not necessarily going to be elected to all defense, but

701
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,840
he might not provide enough on offense and see On

702
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,519
James checks that box a little bit. Uh, they need

703
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:25,599
another guy just along the lines that they can view

704
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as a lockdown defender. I think Charles Lee's probably coaxed

705
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:33,519
better defensive returns out of teams that aren't so talented

706
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:35,519
on the less glamorous end, But he's gonna have his

707
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work cut out for him, like kind of the same

708
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as could you argue not having LaMelo Is makes that

709
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an upgrade yet? Sure, but I think looking at the

710
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perimeter specifically a point of attack wing. Defense is still

711
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a need for this team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've loved their summer, but if we have to

713
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,000
find a need defense and playmaking, I think those two

714
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:02,400
are the right choices. I'm still reasonably high on this team.

715
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,159
I think the three point volume is going to be insane.

716
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,760
I don't think the advanced playmaking is going to be

717
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that necessary because it's going to be a five out

718
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,079
oriented offense, I assume, But at any rate, it's still

719
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,119
in need. Like you can never have too much creative passing,

720
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,159
you can never have too much quality defense. So the

721
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,880
fact that you have neither of those avenues available to

722
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,519
the extent that you need, yes, I would agree with

723
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you that something's got to give eventually.

724
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Speaker 1: That or the case because regular says losing bridges help

725
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their defense. I mean, no, I won't argue that point here.

726
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But if you're building, for sure, if you're building your

727
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,199
best playmaking lineup, it comes at the cost of defense.

728
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If you're building your best defensive lineup, one, I don't

729
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even know what that looks like. So it's Mussa diabate,

730
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:56,199
nas Reed, Miller, Seon James, and then conk Nipple. If

731
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,840
we're trying to be semi realistic, so you're losing. You

732
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,280
might be losing too much offense in that regard, and

733
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then if you're building your best playmaking unit, you're for

734
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,480
sure gonna it's gonna come at a stark defensive costs.

735
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,960
I agree, who's the final team, Moore that you're gonna

736
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:12,800
that you're gonna pick?

737
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: I hate you so much for this, I really do. Yeah,

738
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,679
that was you just set me up? All right? Well,

739
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,360
their their biggest need is that they need to trade Josh, No,

740
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,840
it's uh.

741
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,159
Speaker 1: To the what was the team we sent them to

742
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,199
hypothetically before?

743
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,119
Speaker 2: Was it the Heat Miami? I think again, they they

744
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,000
just need so many things, uh where to start? Really,

745
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,800
they're they're just starting over from scratch. So like they have,

746
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,920
like they got a center, they got a shooting guard,

747
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,559
but like none of those two are viewed as necessarily

748
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,079
long term pieces. I think both Claxton and Powell were

749
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,920
acquired for free by the way to be pivoted off later.

750
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,199
Like I would be kind of surprised if Claxton Powell

751
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,280
are on the team after the trade deadline, which would

752
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,679
be the smart approach, just get them in there to

753
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,320
trade them later. Take on bad money and pick this compensation.

754
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:16,480
Why not? So if that's the play, cool, But in

755
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:22,440
terms of need, like they need a first tier player,

756
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,679
like like their star, the guy who they can you

757
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,239
can build around. Because it's not Josh Kitty, is it?

758
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,360
Caleb Wilson will find out, But you know.

759
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,599
Speaker 1: You can't be I guess I don't. I do understand

760
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,039
a Scotty Barnes comps with him. I don't think he's

761
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,400
They need their number one offensive option. I don't know

762
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,440
if that's gonna be Boozellis or Caleb Wilson.

763
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,519
Speaker 2: No I would I would be surprised too. I do

764
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:48,000
think Caleb Wilson is going to be a really fine player,

765
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:53,599
but I just don't know if he has that every

766
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,000
Everyone's also like, oh, it's the new Kevin Garnett and

767
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,360
he has like a seven foot seven to one wingspan.

768
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,760
Usually the guys who become that level player have these

769
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,480
insane long arms and can you slide up positions? I

770
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,079
question if Wilson can actually slide up to the five

771
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,119
if he's more of like a pure four. And that's

772
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:18,760
kind of it. So there are questions. There are definitely questions.

773
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,920
I don't think they have their best player moving forward.

774
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239
I don't think they have their second best player moving forward.

775
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,280
I tell.

776
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Speaker 1: I feel like Kayleb Wilson or Brizzelles could still have No.

777
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: We don't. We don't have any data on Wilson.

778
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:32,679
Speaker 1: I do.

779
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: I like Bussella's fine. I really do, actually think he's

780
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,679
going to be like a twenty plus score and everything,

781
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,800
But like, is he going to be the second best

782
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,880
player if they want to be a good team. I

783
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,480
don't know if you have to move him down the

784
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,920
pegging order a little bit. It depends again, like if

785
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,440
he takes a major leap, obviously will reality reevaluate. But

786
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,639
as of right now, I have a hard time seeing,

787
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:04,760
you know, someone on this roster who just is primary

788
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,840
and secondary option?

789
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: Well what about like he's still pretty young. Couldn't Patrick

790
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,559
Williams develop into that?

791
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Speaker 2: Oh man?

792
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:16,599
Speaker 1: Well you know what?

793
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: Who? I feel bad for Demartin Rosen Dumars spent like

794
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:25,159
three years just trying to get Patrick Williams into the

795
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,840
right mindset and nothing worked. Like Poort, Demartin Rosen were

796
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,400
just wasting three years of his life with that project.

797
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,199
Speaker 1: Uh, and then he went right to the Kings. He

798
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,840
got paid though so up. They can build. This isn't

799
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,920
doesn't get any but they can. They can build. I

800
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,719
know a lot of people are lower on Claxton after

801
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,639
last year, but he was dealing with back stuff and

802
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:46,880
I still think he can add a ton of value

803
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,920
defensively even though he's not super strong. This team can

804
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,239
build a lot of interesting defensive lineups if they just

805
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,079
want to punt on like shooting or out like between

806
00:40:55,159 --> 00:41:00,679
Dan and Swayne and Caleb Wilson, Buzellis, Claxton, h Miller,

807
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,880
Noah Sange if he's healthy, Isaaca Korro, this team might

808
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,760
be a little bit like feisty on the defensive end.

809
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,719
This year. Sure doesn't change what you're saying. I think

810
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,639
that there are a ton of needs. They need their

811
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,119
first option, they need shooting and center of the future.

812
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:19,360
They might if you were to look at this team

813
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,679
and say they're set here for the future, you might

814
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,000
be able to say, between Buzzellis and Caleb Wilson, I'm

815
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000
willing to give them they have like a forward spot

816
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:28,000
or bright locked.

817
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,639
Speaker 2: I think that would be reasonable. Yes, And look if

818
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,920
if Wilson and Pussilla's becomes like long term starters and

819
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,039
those are like the main guys, you know, not not

820
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,840
the main guys in a couple of years because they

821
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,039
need someone better, but like if they are just high

822
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,440
level starters. Yeah, I think that's a win.

823
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, you've anything else? Or are you ready

824
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,039
to We did it under ninety minutes while reacting to

825
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:53,800
breaking news.

826
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Speaker 2: I think we did well because you and I usually

827
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,960
have issues keeping it short. This is this is like

828
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:05,079
improved our couple's counseling sessions have gone great. Thank you,

829
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,199
honey with attention spans.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone appreciates us when we do

831
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,800
like ten minutes on every single team, right, we do

832
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,079
that either? So? Uh, can you just tell our everyone

833
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,119
who's watching listening where they can find you and all

834
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:17,880
the work that.

835
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you can find my work overad Yahoo Sports,

836
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,800
and you can listen to the NBA podcast and if

837
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,480
you understand Danish, you can listen to buser Beater or

838
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:28,880
catch from calling games at HBO Max.

839
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845
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,719
Friday at four pm Eastern to do the Western Conference

846
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,360
version of this. Hopefully nothing comes up, although with the

847
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,480
Kahi trade being rescinded, more than I might need to

848
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:59,159
have a discussion, like with them, what that's gonna look like?

849
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,880
That only the Clippers right now though, so until next time,

850
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,239
and as always, we need the shout out to the one,

851
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,920
the only, the indelible. His trade for him has never

852
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,800
ever been rescinded, mister Frank Ila Tina