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Speaker 1: Ssh, don't speak. It's amandagantic, It's nineteen ninety five. MTVM

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plugged is musty TV, and your roommate is an artist.

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When it comes to frosted tips, your jeens look like

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they lost a fight with a lawnmower. Toy story is

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resurfacing some serious abandonment issues. You have fifteen shades of

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brown lipstick and your flannel game is on point. Friendly reminder,

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You've got mail. Nirvana still has a choke hold over

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you until wait, whoa hold on a second?

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Speaker 2: What is this?

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Speaker 1: Is this the audio equivalent of rollerblading through a mosh

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pit in platform sneakers while chugging Surge and crying about

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your ex?

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Speaker 2: Is this absolute chaos and.

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Speaker 1: A push up bra Today's Fever Dream No Doubts Tragic Kingdom,

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the album that simultaneously raised us, broke us, and taught

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us that you can absolutely cry while scanking and skanking

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For you, youngins is a dance style. Get your minds

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out of the gutter. Listening to this thing is like

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being emotionally body slammed by a marching band. You're vibing,

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you're dancing, then suddenly one Stefani appears out of the fog,

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screaming your diary entries back at you.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, I'm sorry about that. Brian here again.

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Speaker 1: Now, surely you can't be serious that this album has

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both upbeat scott Chaos and catastrophic heartbreak on the same playlist.

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Speaker 2: Oh but they are serious.

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Speaker 1: And don't call them Surely call them therapists, because they're

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about to unpack some serious trauma. Buckle up, grabbing orbits

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post around the way, girl, but pre hollibat girl.

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Speaker 2: We are skater girls.

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Speaker 1: We are walking into spiderwebs, waiting for you to leave

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a message so we can call you back.

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Speaker 2: O are not.

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Speaker 1: This is tragic kingdom and it came here to fight.

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We're in plaid skirts and butterfly barrettes.

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Speaker 3: Let's roll, all right, d as we wind up our

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nineties ladies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a question for you, our nineties girl,

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three way.

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Speaker 3: Our menage autoire of nineties ladies. Were you a napster

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guy or a LimeWire guy?

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Speaker 4: I didn't. I don't think I ever used either one

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of those. Really, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Missed one of the golden ages.

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Speaker 4: I know like and I know that a lot of people.

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I think probably I was like a secondhand guy like somebody.

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I just found somebody who had downloaded a million things,

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and I was like, okay, cool, I'll just take cares

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because are as. Yeah no, that's literally what happened, Like, hey,

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will you burn me a bunch of disks? And so

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I think that was it. I didn't. It wasn't savvy

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enough to do the napster thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So for those of you who are

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too young to remember this or too old to realize

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it was going on, basically we went through a couple

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of eras in the eighties. We had BMI and Columbia House,

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which was ten CDs for a penny, which that was

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like Man from Heaven. I mean it was like straight.

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Speaker 4: Gold, right, pretty confident that this album was one of

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those pictures.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Well then you had the napster slash LimeWire

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where you could share.

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Speaker 4: Not legally, but yes, I mean, you know, what's a

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little home piracy.

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Speaker 3: We talked about home BUYERUSY and our Patreon episode.

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Speaker 4: By the way, guys, sign up for our Patreon page.

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We do one hit Wonders and I got to tell you, you know,

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this is an awesome album. I listened to it over

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and over again, and as I'm walking into recorded day,

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all I can sing in my head is ain't nothing

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going to bring the mass ride and nothing on z

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mean down And you'll find out why in a little bit. Okay,

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But we do one hit Wonders on our Patreon episodes

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and they are for our paying Patreon members and for

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as little five bucks a month. You can check those

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episodes out go to patreon dot com slash Shirly podcast

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and we've got dozens of them at this point. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So for me, No Doubt's album Tragic Kingdom that we're

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covering today, yeah, was square in the middle of the

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Speaker 4: I was an early adopter on No Doubt. I remember

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very specifically because we had a band back then, and

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we had a girl who was singing with us, and

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we're trying to find girl songs and she brought in

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these songs and I was like, Oh, these are great,

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and I said, I'm going to get this album. And

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I got the album and I can remember vividly driving

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that I had like installed in my little Nissan or

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whatever it. But anyway, like I'm listening to the whole album,

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which is what you did back in those days. You

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just listened to every song and the only two that

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I remember being released were Spider Webs and Just a Girl.

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what the heck is this? And I just listened to

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it over and over again. I can remember the first,

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you know, next time I saw my best friend, I

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was like, you've got to hear that, and he was

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his mind was blown too. And then sure enough, like

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just within a month or two after that, like it

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was everywhere, It was everywhere. It was an MTV video,

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which was the equivalent of being a single back then.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, and we'll talk about that. Yeah,

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you have a girl singer in your band STD. Yes

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right now, Yes, this would be a great song for

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you to sing. Yes, it would thirty years later, it would.

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Speaker 4: Kill absolutely it would just go learn it today. We

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have practice after we're done here, so let's see if

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this comes up. Okay, very good, very good.

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Speaker 3: All right, So just a quick overview. Tragic Kingdom is

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No Doubt's third album. Their first two really did not

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make a splash at all.

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Speaker 4: Right, and there's an interesting story behind all of those

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and we'll we'll obviously tell it. We've got fourteen songs

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to go through. So yeah. What's interesting to note is

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when they finished with Tragic Kingdom, like they've finished recording it,

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they've all got real jobs. They're all pretty much living

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with their parents, almost all of them right in the

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same house that they grew up with. And they're in there,

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I mean, twenty six, still living at home and working

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regular like Broadway, you know, gift shop or whatever it was.

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at cal State, is like an administrative assistant.

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Speaker 3: You know really, and he was He went to his.

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Speaker 4: Boss and he's like, hey, we're gonna go out on

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tour just if you can please keep my job up

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before we want to get back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty seven years later and he hasn't been back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that is that is how little they knew

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what this album was going to do.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, Let's jump in, Let's jump in, okay before

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we do sixteen million copies.

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Speaker 4: Sold, It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: First song on the album, second single, The song's called Spiderwhibs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Jason, what do you know about SKA?

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Speaker 3: Not very much? Not very much.

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Speaker 4: So this is probably I would say ninety nine percent

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of the population's first experience with ska punk. Okay, I

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mean at least the third wave of the ska movement.

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That's it. Now. The reason that ska and punk got

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the same place that the punk bands were playing, and

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eventually they would have an overlap of musicians. But what

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style with like a horn section right right, And but

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we're you and I are familiar with that because that's

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the clash, right Yeah, go back and check out our

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Stranger Things episode. We talked all about the clash, but

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that kind of punky vibe with the horns is what

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kind of defined it. But then there's also this the

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ska part of it. Sky is basically the grandfather of reggae.

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So when we did our what was it, Top Songs

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Speaker 3: Maybe Top five songs in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 4: So you mentioned the tide is high, is like rock steady,

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so rock steady and they, I mean the no doubts,

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the one after that they're whatever would be. Fifth album

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was called rock Steady, but it all began with ska,

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which is a kind of Caribbean rhythm. Ska transitions into

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rock steady, and rock steady transitions into reggae. Rock stead

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kind of ska. But if you just kind of think, okay,

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that kind of ska sound. And so back in the

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but they weren't huge except for two The Clash, which

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I mentioned, and this band called Madness. You remember Maddens.

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Speaker 3: I hope you were going to bring them up, yeah,

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because when you asked me initially what my experience with

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ska is One song by Madness that was a big

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Speaker 4: Eighty three, maybe, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: That song is called Our House.

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Speaker 4: So Our House, like you said, came out in eighty three.

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of these two things it was. But back in the

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would he would sit and play music with and like

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basically drag her away from watching The Brady Bunch so

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that she would come and sing while he played the piano.

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this Madness album and that's what inspired the style, and

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this first song you get a great flavor of the

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ska punk style.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, you talk about Eric Stefani, who is

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Gwinn's older brother. She really looked up to him. She

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thought he was cool, he had cool musical tastes. She's like,

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you know, I sing, but really I was just kind

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of a shy girl, backup singer. I didn't even play

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an instrument, Like he was a musician and I was

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just tag along. Well, come to find out, she's actually

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the star, but he was the leader.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a big process because

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this band, I mean, even though most of the country

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didn't know who they were until Tragic Kingdom came out.

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Had been together for eight years. I think they formed

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in eighty six. That's incredible, so nearly nine years at

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the point that this that this starts to hit.

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Speaker 3: I sent you a video of their very first TV

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appearance on a Southern California variety show called The Gig,

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and when I watched it, the song reminded me of

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Oingo Boingco. Okay, but they have a girl who looks

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like Patsy Kinsett from Lethal Weapon two who is lead

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singing wow, And I'm like, you get that girl with

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that music, You're onto something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so tell me about Spiderwebs. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So this was the second single released September ninth, nineteen

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physical singles released because they're driving CD sales.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the same is true for Jaggie Little

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Pill album. Right. That's right, tons of what appeared to

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be singles because there were music videos for them, but

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really you had to go get the album to hear

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the song.

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Speaker 3: At this point in time, MTV is Casey's top forty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more powerful.

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Speaker 3: Than any radio station. It is the radio station for

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the world MTV. Yes, so not released as a commercial single,

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so it's ineligible for the Hot one hundred. But it

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does reach number eighteen on the Billboard Airplay Charts, which

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tracked how many times it was played on the radio. Now,

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this was written by Gwenn and Tony. I know, we'll

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Gwinn did not even realize she was a songwriter until

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her brother quit the band and she got dumped.

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Speaker 4: Both of these things happening right before Tragic That's right

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Speaker 3: That's right now the song spiderwebs. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Can you kitchen a message?

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is D. Leave a message and I'll call

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you back whenever I get a chance. Yes, And then

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somebody would be like, hey, D, it's Jason, and you'd

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be like, oh hey Jason, Hey hey. It was the

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screen calls.

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Speaker 4: Right at this time, at this time, my message this

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was in nineteen it would have been nineteen ninety sixteen

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ninety seven. My message was hello, what what what? I'm sorry?

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Can can you? Can you speak up. I can't I

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can't hear you. Oh, actually I can't hear you because

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I'm not here. Leave a message yes, And I got

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berated by my dad. He was like, I can't believe that.

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He was so mad, so mad at that. But that's

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what you did back then.

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Speaker 3: My nephew's cell phone. It's currently that very thing. It's

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an only but a goodie. So but here's the here's

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the story of this song. Yeah, who is stunning had

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many suitors shock her well. At one week moment, a

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guy came up to her. She wasn't interested, but she

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gave him her number anyway, and this guy proceeded to

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pursue her.

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Speaker 4: Strongly, relentlessly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so he would call it he she said.

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He thought because she played in a band, she would

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be up at like two, three, four in the morning,

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and so he would leave her messages like, hey, I

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wrote a song I want to play for you. She said, God,

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why did I give this guy my number?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: And he would recite poetry. And the funny thing is

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so Tony Canal who is her ex She they wrote

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the song together. They have never released the identity of

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this guy.

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Speaker 4: That's probably appropriate, right, he's.

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Speaker 3: Got to know who he is though. You know, if

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I were like I used to chase Gwen Steffani around,

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you know, in fact, I used to read poetry over

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the Hey wait a minute, but actually I dug up

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who this song is about.

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Speaker 4: Ready for this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Coolier, No, I'm just kidding. That's not true.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 3: Oh how cool would that be of that word true?

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That would be so awesome. But you're right. This song

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was their attempt at making the tide is high?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, have you watched the music video for this briefly?

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Speaker 4: I don't think I did not rewatch it in full.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is a music video. Once again, I'm

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not going to spike the football fifteen times about Gwen

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Stefani being beautiful, but she is a rock star and

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she had this little gem on her forehead, and she

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had the platinum blonde hair, and she has kind of

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this punky style that really like Overnight caught on with

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the girls in the night.

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Speaker 4: It was very it was very skater girl kind of

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look for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So in this video they're they're performing at a wedding

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and then next thing you know, there's like wedding cake

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all over the place and it doesn't make any sense. However,

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it is directed by a guy named Marcus Nispol. He

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went on to direct remakes of Friday the Thirteenth, Texas

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Chainshaw Massacre, and Conan the Barbarian.

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Speaker 4: Okay, second song on the album.

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Speaker 3: This song is called excuse me.

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Speaker 4: Mister Okay the freaking like I hear this and I'm like,

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who is making music like this? This is not like

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anything anybody is hearing at this time. I understand why

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they thought, well, okay, you know, maybe this album will

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do something, or we'll just go back to college and

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have regular lives. It's so different than everything that was

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going on at this point. And then in the middle

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of what's already cool and different, you have this a

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minute and thirty seconds in, you have this fantastic breakdown

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that sounds like you said, like a vaudeville circus.

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Speaker 3: Act kind it is no doubt, no doubt. First joke,

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that's one time Okay.

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Speaker 4: So okay. By the way, that's a great lead into

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the name of the band. The reason that the band

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was called No Doubt is because their original lead singer,

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guy named John Spence, would say no doubt like my

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friend Jason does here all the time, all the time.

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It is a catchphrase of yours, and it was of his,

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and that's how they came up with the name of

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the band.

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Speaker 3: You know, John Spence was the lead singer until he

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took his own life, like right before they had this

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big important gig in nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, John Spence and Eric Stefani met at Dairy Queen

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and decided to put a band together, and Gwynn is

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tagging along singing with them, singing, you know, she'll take some,

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He'll take some. And they're they're developing a following there

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in Anaheim, which is I mean, it's not the rock

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capital of the world, right, La looks down on these

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Orange County folks, but there's definitely a scene in places

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to play. But they had built up over the year

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enough of a fan base that they were going to

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play at the Roxy. Yeah, I believe it was December

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twenty first, nineteen eighty seven. They said he was like

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always just this positive guy, like he was the positive,

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let's go member of the band, and then takes his

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own life tragically. They did actually decide to disband for

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a minute, but they had a trumpet player back then

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his name was Alan Mead, and he was like, you guys,

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you know, if you guys want, I'll sing, I can sing.

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And they played the roxy Alan Mead sang. He left

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a little while after that and when became the solo.

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Speaker 3: Keep in mind, nineteen eighty seven is a long time

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before nineteen ninety six when they break. Yeah, it's a

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long time of hauland drum kits and living in your

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parents' bedroom, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the tours that they would go on, well, I'll

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tell you more about those later, but yeah, they were

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in a rented van and sleeping on the hard floor

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of the van and not in a hotel like they

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would stop at gas stations and taco bells yep, because

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you could get three burritos for a dollar back then, right, beat,

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remember that three for a dollar?

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Speaker 3: What a great time. Now, I do have a story

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about this particular song. Yeah, it's the fourth single was

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released August twenty first, nineteen ninety six. The band fought

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with the label about which version would be on the album. Okay,

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so Matthew Wilder, who was the producer of this album,

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who has a major one hit wonder of the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we drop it now. I mentioned this earlier. This

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is the song that was stuck in my head as

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I came in today. So they tapped Matthew Wilder to

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be the producer of this album. And Matthew Wilder at

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the time would have been ten years earlier, like he

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came in around ninety three ninety four, yep, and he

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had had what we would describe as a one hit wonder.

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Speaker 3: Major one hit wonder. That song is called.

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Speaker 4: Break my Stride, Stop, Bring Stop, Yeah, keep them moving.

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So you listen to that song and it's definitely got

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that kind of Caribbean dance to it. I feel like

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he's the perfect match for this style of music that

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these guys are doing.

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Speaker 3: That didn't even occur to me until you just said that,

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yeah great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That song reached number five okay in late nineteen eighty

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three and early eighty four okay, And he goes on

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to produce. Now, they were wrestling with him on this song.

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He wanted them to do a like a country version

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of this song, and they're like, no, we want it

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to be more SKA.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They actually kind of said, look, we're not going to

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record spider webs if you don't let us at least

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do our version of this song. Oh wow, Okay, so

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it's a little bit of a power struggle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think they gave him one attempt at it and

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they ultimately won, and that's why you get this version.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, this version's fantastic. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This reached number seventeen on Billboard's Alternative.

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Speaker 4: Airplay chart, again not released as a hard single.

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Speaker 3: In the music video, lots of energy, lots of high kicks,

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Gwinn takes scissors to her tank top to expose her midriff,

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which that became a fad.

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Speaker 4: All right, next song, next song on the album, first single,

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This is just a girl.

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Speaker 5: Ribbon off my eyes. I'm exposed, no.

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Speaker 6: Plum brass, don't done knowing.

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Speaker 4: So this is one of the songs that we covered,

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and I loved playing this song. And I was trying

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to think of the way to describe what Gwinn's voice

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sounds like in the song and a lot of the

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songs on these albums, and I saw somebody describe it

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as a Qubi doll, and I was like, that's close.

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But now that I'm thinking about it, it's almost like a

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Betty boop, like a doep. But you juxtapose that with

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the lyrics being about I mean, it's it's obviously it's

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it's sarcastic, but you can't you know, I'm a girl.

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You can't drive late at night. You need to hold

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my hand. Obviously sarcasm, which you know you talked about

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all of the mom rock albums of the nineties. This

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isn't mom rock at all. But this is still that

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the girl power that was prevalent in the mid nineties,

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with this and Alanas and Jewel and I mean even

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Shania Twain, no doubt if we have a drinking game

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and you drink every time, Jason says no doubt in

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a way that we're not referring to the band.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna quit fighting and I'm just gonna embrace it.

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I do have the story of this song. Okay, So

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a couple of things that generated this song.

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Speaker 1: For her.

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Speaker 3: Number One, she's the only girl that would perform with

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all these punk bands, so literally it's she's the only

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girl in her band, of course, but when they're competing

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against other bands, there's no girls. All her friends are guys.

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And then there's also she would kind of pull that

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card like I can't carry the drum kit. I'm just

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a girl. I'm just a girl, a girl.

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Speaker 4: Boo boombe doo.

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Speaker 3: But but the one thing that really set her off

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was her dad lit her up one time for coming

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home way too late for you know, look, there's crazy

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drivers out there. It's two o'clock in the morning, you're

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driving around, and she's like, you're just a girl. I'm

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twenty five years I do think it's interesting k Rock

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started playing this song. Yeah, that's the same radio station

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in LA that jump started a Lance Moore set.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yes, among others a million Yeah, I caim.

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We didn't mention it earlier that if you're tuning in

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for the first time, we're comparing this to a Loance

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Moore set Jagged Little Pill and Jewel Pieces of You.

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That's a that's our Menaja Twise Jason referred to it earlier.

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And there's a common thread that goes through all of

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these that I'll mention sometime later on. But anywhere we

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keep going.

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Speaker 3: Now, Okay, I want to talk about the music video

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real quick.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The opening shot is at Gwinn's grandparents'.

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Speaker 4: House, which is where they lived and made music as

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a band. Yeah, that's where they set up their practice

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space put a recording studio. Their second album that we

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talked about was called The Beacon Street Collection because that

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house was on Beacon Street, which literally is in the

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shadow of the Matterhorn, Like, I mean, they could hear

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the Matterhorn ride at Disneyland from that house. And so

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that brings us to the title of the album because

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I didn't know. I mean, I don't know how many

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times I read Anaheim and it's Disneyland and I'm like,

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I wonder what tragic Oh, magic Kingdom, Tragic Kingdom. I

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get it now.

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Speaker 3: So this music video was directed by Mark Corer, who

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directed music videos for Green Day, including Longview and basket Case.

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Speaker 4: Also filmed in the house. I think one of the

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basket Case I think was filmed in the house that

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they recorded in. Ironically, yeah, we've covered that album. Yeah,

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00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,960
go back last year and we covered it compared to

473
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,359
Bush sixteen Stone, which is another a big factor in

474
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,319
this story as well.

475
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: Yep, we'll talk about him or them here in just

476
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,480
a second. He also directed the video for HND in

477
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,759
my pocket said oh nice, Okay, now there's some really

478
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,240
cool stuff going on image wise in this music video.

479
00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:29,160
There's two bathrooms. You have the guy bathroom and the

480
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,559
girl bathroom, and the guy bathroom is kind of junkie

481
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:34,079
and gross and all that which we know to be true,

482
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,640
and then the girl's bathroom where everybody wants to party

483
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:51,119
in the girls bathroom. Now, if you watch the video

484
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,240
very closely, there is a woman who is very pregnant

485
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:57,200
who is dancing in the girl's bathroom. Okay, that's Gwinn's

486
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,440
sister Joel, who was very pregnant at the time.

487
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:00,839
Speaker 4: There you go.

488
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: This song was featured in Clueless and Rome and Michelle's

489
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,759
high school reunion. But really, I mean this song is

490
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,839
a girl power song of the nineties.

491
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I can remember doing this song and Stupid Girl

492
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,039
by Garbage, which was another one. I mean, they could

493
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,039
have easily been in this conversation, but Garbage was definitely.

494
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,200
We were covering a couple of their songs and Stupid

495
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,680
Girl was one of them. Sleeping Girl's a good one.

496
00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to just bring up in my

497
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:27,880
own opinion, you have Ska, you have Gwenn bringing pop

498
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,799
elements to her songwriting, and then you've got Tom Dumont,

499
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,160
who is a metal guitarist.

500
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, he I mean, keep in mind, he joins the

501
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,839
band in I think it was late eighty seven if

502
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,319
I remember correctly, maybe it might have been eighty eight.

503
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720
But anyway, when he comes in, he's leaving a heavy

504
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,119
metal band that was called Rising because he was sick

505
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,880
of all of the heavy metal bands being only interested

506
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,359
in drinking and wearing spandex, which it was the hair

507
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,319
metal time, right, eighty eight eighty nine, that was when

508
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,960
that stuff was going on, and he was like, I

509
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,480
just want to play music. And that's another interesting thing

510
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,400
about this band. I mean, these guys are all focused

511
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,279
on the music. They're not big drug users, they're not

512
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,759
big alcoholics, they're all kind of clean. And Tony Kanaal,

513
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:12,839
the bass player, he's from India, like he his parents

514
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:17,000
are Indian and they moved around to better their opportunities,

515
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,359
lived in the UK for a while, finally got citizenship

516
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,960
in the US. His first tape that he had was

517
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,839
Minute Work, and he's listening to the tape with his

518
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,079
dad and they're like going to he's going to go

519
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,880
join the high school band, and he doesn't know what

520
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,799
instrument he's going to play, and they're listening to this tape.

521
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,359
And he's like, oh, that's a cool sound. What does

522
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,480
that sound? And his dad's like, that's the saxophone. That's

523
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,559
my favorite instrument. And he's like, cool, I'll play the saxophone.

524
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,480
So Tony Kanal joins the high school band playing saxophone

525
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,640
until he's in the tenth grade, and then the jazz

526
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,160
band bass player leaves. He graduates, goes away, and the

527
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,519
band director's like, okay, Chris is out next year. Who

528
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:53,200
wants to be our new bass player? And he had

529
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,319
thought Chris was like the coolest guy in the world.

530
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,200
So he's like, ooh, I'll do that, and so he literally,

531
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240
like tenth grade is when he starts to play bass

532
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680
for the first time, learns it over the summer. By

533
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,720
a year later, he's joined the band. Like they've seen

534
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,640
him play. He has never been in a band before.

535
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,680
They've seen him play in the school jazz band, and

536
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,039
they're like, Hey, we're going to get rid of our

537
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,359
bass player or he's going to leave or something like that.

538
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,519
Come watch us play, and so he got He goes

539
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,319
and watches them play at Fender Ballroom and he's like,

540
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,079
this is the coolest thing I've ever he'd never been

541
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,279
I mean he'd been to big arena shows. First show,

542
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,839
by the way, this will be important later, was Prince

543
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,279
obsessed with Prince Yeah, anyway, he had been to those

544
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,200
big arena shows, but hadn't been to one of these

545
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,400
like local club shows. Because he's, you know, just a

546
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,400
regular band nerd kid, right. Yeah, he sees what's going on.

547
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,880
He's like, I've got to be a part of this,

548
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,200
and after he watches him, he's like, I'm in if

549
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,440
you'll have me, and that's how he joins the band.

550
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: This song put them on the map.

551
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,519
Speaker 4: I mean, let's absolutely right. Yeah.

552
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: It charted at number twenty three on the Hot one hundred.

553
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,559
Peaked out May fourth of ninety six. That's my twenty

554
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,400
third birthday, by the way, it's good there you go.

555
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't mention that Gwen Stefani October third is

556
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,359
her birthday, is mine? Now, she was born in sixty nine,

557
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,480
so she's she's six years older than I am.

558
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,799
Speaker 3: She's class of eighty seven.

559
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: She looks like she's probably ten years younger than I

560
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:12,720
am at this point, but.

561
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,319
Speaker 3: She could have been walking the same high school hallways

562
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:16,839
as me.

563
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, next song on the album, this song

564
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:31,519
is called happy Now.

565
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:40,319
Speaker 5: You had best, but she gave me from.

566
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 4: So the story of how Tony joined the band is

567
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,039
a nice segue for this song because when he joins

568
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,240
the band, when is immediately smitten. After a while of

569
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,880
a few shows, she's just finally like, so you're gonna

570
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,640
kiss me? Or what?

571
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,359
Speaker 3: I love it? I love it?

572
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: And they formed this relationship, like I said, eighty eight

573
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,279
eighty nine, seven years. They're together for seven years, and

574
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:05,880
then just before they start working on Tragic actually kind

575
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,480
of while they're working on Tragic Secdom, they break up

576
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,880
and this is the first song that she writes about

577
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,319
that breakup. And she calls him no right and says,

578
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,160
I wrote a song about you breaking up with me.

579
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Would you like to hear it? And he was like okay,

580
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,880
and you listen to the lyrics of this song. You

581
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
had the best, but you gave her up because dependency

582
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,839
might interrupt idealistic will so hard to please. Put your

583
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,720
indecisive mind at ease. You broke the set. Now there's

584
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,000
only singles, there's no looking back, and this time I

585
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,880
mean it. Are you happy now? Oh? Tell me? Are

586
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,799
you happy now? This is her? You ought to know.

587
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,079
Speaker 3: It's right she's given it to him.

588
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he's like, okay, and to stay in

589
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,079
a band together.

590
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got a play next to her. He's like,

591
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,920
this is about me being a jerk. I mean, it's

592
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,119
a scathing breakup song.

593
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:00,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and he just sa he want its base.

594
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,519
I think he probably wanted to date other girls.

595
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,759
Speaker 3: I think he wanted to live the life of a

596
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,279
touring rock star. This was the sixth single really September

597
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:12,440
twenty third, ninety seven. Yeah, we're getting into our third year.

598
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: I was very familiar with this song by the time

599
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:16,480
it came out on the on the MTVS.

600
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: Here's what Gwynn said about this song. It's the perfect

601
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,799
revenge song of somebody who got hurt in love. It

602
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:27,720
really was meant to be painful. Hey, dude, listen to this. Yeah, okay,

603
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:42,440
next song is called Different People.

604
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,119
Speaker 4: So this is not one that came out as a single.

605
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,079
I don't think there was a video for it. I mean,

606
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,519
could be wrong, but there was. But this to me

607
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,200
is like definitive ska punk. Like this. If you're saying

608
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,640
I'm gonna go watch this cool ska band play, I'm like,

609
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,559
that's the song that they need to play. It's got

610
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,319
that ska, the damn about that rhythm, and it's got

611
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:05,799
the horns in it, and it's just, oh my gosh,

612
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:07,440
it's such a great song. I'm really actually kind of

613
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,200
surprised because I would say this is the hidden gem

614
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,119
on the album since it didn't get released, because this

615
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:13,680
is a fantastic song.

616
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: You know, this summer we did Jimmy Buffett and we

617
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,440
had an episode where we had little drinks with little

618
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:21,720
bamboo umbrellas and stuff like that. This song kind of

619
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,920
makes it me feel like that, you know. Yeah, it's

620
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,480
it's a Caribbean feel exactly. Do you know who cites

621
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,000
this song as one of their favorites? Barack Obama loves

622
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:31,440
this song.

623
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,559
Speaker 4: Okay.

624
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: I saw Gwyenn talk about I mean, it's weird. That's

625
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,319
out of left field, right, you know. She said one

626
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,240
day she's literally living in her parents' house in her

627
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,200
old childhood bedroom, and the next day the President of

628
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,319
the United States calling one of her songs his favorite.

629
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,880
It's a crazy Climb and Rise to Fame.

630
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so I'm going to kind of jump into

631
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,359
the future instead of talking about the past at this point.

632
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,640
But I mentioned that Tony Kanall first concert that he

633
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,759
saw was Prince. Right later on, they play in Minneapolis

634
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,759
and Prince. They get the news Prince wants to come

635
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:06,680
watch a show, and they're I mean, they're all Prince

636
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:09,319
fans because who wasn't who grew up in ladies, right,

637
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:11,240
And it's not just a matter of oh yeah, I

638
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,480
like his music. It's like he's an icon, like the

639
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,319
Purple One. Yeah. So they're like, oh my gosh, and

640
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,839
they see him, like come in. And then he later

641
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,240
invites them to Paisley Palace, right, and and they're like

642
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,720
they're like sitting down in his living room waiting for

643
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,359
him to arrive, and he like comes and is at

644
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440
the top of the stairs and they said, is he floating?

645
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,240
It looks like he's floating down the stairs right now.

646
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,920
They're all just dumbstruck, mystified. He said. They tried to

647
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,480
jam and it was just a massive failure because they

648
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,599
were too in awe of him. But later he hits

649
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,279
up Gwenn to do a song with him. I think

650
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,640
that's what you're going to talk about, and offers to

651
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,200
help them with the song. But they get to come

652
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,119
and see him a few times and then they end

653
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,480
up he ends up going to a show in the

654
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,400
same arena and he's going at Tony's. This point is

655
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,319
very wealthy because this because of this album, right of course.

656
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,359
And he calls his wife and says, I have my

657
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:11,279
old original prints ticket framed, tell me what the seat

658
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,759
and box number is that I was in, and she called,

659
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,039
and she calls him and tells him, and he gets

660
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:20,079
the same seat again, like whatever, fifteen years later.

661
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: That's fantastic. Yeah, So you mentioned the song that he

662
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,480
called Gwen to come work on with him. Yeah, that

663
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,119
song is called so Far, So Pleased, and it wasn't

664
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,400
what I was familiar with. When I listened to it,

665
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,200
I'm like, this is like a great melodic pop song

666
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,920
of the eighties. I just bypassed me.

667
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,119
Speaker 4: Okay, So that is off the album Rave Unto the

668
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,720
Joy fantastic and of course it's unto Is You In?

669
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,359
And the number two because of the Prince right h

670
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,480
came out in ninety nine and I'm listening to their voice.

671
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:05,920
Blend is spot on. It's a really great blend.

672
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,679
Speaker 3: It's better than Prince and Appollonia probably.

673
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,039
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wonder if Quinn Stephani had to bathe her

674
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,400
had to cleanse herselves in the waters of late that's right.

675
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,639
Speaker 3: So here's the cool story I got from her time

676
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:21,000
with Prince.

677
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:21,199
Speaker 5: Right.

678
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,159
Speaker 3: So she goes with them, they work on this song,

679
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:24,960
they pump it out. It's a good song. I like it.

680
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,480
So she comes back and she's like inspired. Right, She's like,

681
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,280
I've just spent a whole bunch of time with Prince.

682
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,960
I want to do a song. She's like, I want

683
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,079
to make Raspberry Beret. So she came back and she

684
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,039
had been listening, of course, to she listened to every

685
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:42,679
note that Prince had ever put out, but she was

686
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800
also listened to this rap artist named Tricky. I don't

687
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,320
know who that is.

688
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 4: I'm sure I recognize that name. Ye Okay.

689
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,119
Speaker 3: So they had been working on this kind of slow,

690
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:57,519
sappy love song type of thing, and she takes that inspiration.

691
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,599
She kicks everybody out except for Tom I believe, Okay.

692
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,360
She says she was just sitting there and the lyrics

693
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,960
were in front of her. She's like, she started looking

694
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,639
at the lyrics. She's like, I think we can speed

695
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,800
this up and do it kind of snappy rather than

696
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:21,199
a slow love song. And that song became ex girlfriend.

697
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,079
Speaker 4: That's The first song off the album that comes out

698
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,719
after Tragic Kingdom called Return of Saturn. Yeah, it's much

699
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,079
more poppy. They've kind of pulled away from that ska

700
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,679
feel and they're they're doing a much harder pop rap

701
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,360
kind of thing, which was probably the right choice in

702
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:36,480
the year two thousand.

703
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: There you go, big hit for them.

704
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:38,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

705
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:39,199
Speaker 3: Next song on the.

706
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 4: Album Okay, This song is called hey You. I feel

707
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,360
like they should have called this song Ken and Barbie

708
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,000
Doll okay or just like my Ken and Barbie Doll.

709
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,599
Make it a nice long title. The hey You you

710
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,239
lose the impact of the song. It's a throwaway to

711
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:07,880
kind of title.

712
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,039
Speaker 3: It's not a good title, but it's a good song.

713
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,840
It is a good song. I would say it's one

714
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,320
of the undiscovered gems.

715
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's me. Yeah, it's got the sitar in there,

716
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,480
you know, throw back to the Beatles and Robbie Shankar stuff,

717
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,360
and it's it's catchy, it's got a good melody to it.

718
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,119
It's got an interesting topic. It's basically, hey you in

719
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,440
the wedding dress. You're totally deluding yourself. This isn't You're

720
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,199
not going to rope your dreams by doing this. You

721
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,559
just look like my Ken and Barbie Doll. Right.

722
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 3: This was the seventh single.

723
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 4: Oh really seven. I didn't even realize this came out

724
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,840
as a single. Wow. Oh yeah, so it wasn't even

725
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,280
released until February of ninety eight. I had probably moved

726
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,480
on to other music by this time.

727
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,519
Speaker 3: Five ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight. This is the

728
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,000
fourth year of this album.

729
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, so I you know I've mentioned that Tony

730
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,559
Canal said, Hey, well my job for me, Okay, I'm

731
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,079
gonna need my minimum wage job whenever I get back,

732
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:06,320
which I mean back then it was like three twenty five. Yeah,

733
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,239
I like that, right, But obviously they blow up. But

734
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,840
when just a Girl comes out and they really catch fire,

735
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,440
the tour gets bigger and bigger, and they tour for

736
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:19,360
twenty seven months. Like they are touring for two years

737
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,320
after this album is released, over two.

738
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,639
Speaker 3: Years I heard her talking about this.

739
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,199
Speaker 4: You know.

740
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,519
Speaker 3: They opened with three eleven, which had their moment in

741
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:28,119
the nineties.

742
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I like three three eleven right.

743
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:38,039
Speaker 3: Then they started touring with a band called Bush that was.

744
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: An important thing. Yeah.

745
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: Now we covered Bush sixteen stone. They had a whopper

746
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,039
of an album. Yeah, in the mid nineties. Yeah, go

747
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,440
back and listen to that episode.

748
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, sincerely go back and listen to that episode

749
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,000
because I talk about Innerscope Records on that when I

750
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,960
kind of give the history. Tony Field is the guy

751
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,159
who does this. It's a great little story. So please

752
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,360
go check out Bush sixteen stone. Okay, So they get

753
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,039
signed with Interscope. They're just I mean, they're playing opening

754
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,920
shows and they've got some following, they're headlining some shows,

755
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,039
but they're not huge yet, right, and SKA is not

756
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,880
what anybody's interested in in nineteen ninety. I mean, nineteen

757
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,119
ninety is like it's a desert of music.

758
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:19,079
Speaker 3: If you remember, he is Wilson, Phillips and Slaughter and.

759
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really not good. Yeah, but he Tony Ferguson

760
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,599
of Interscopes goes and sees a show in nineteen ninety

761
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:29,719
and sees this band that's having all kinds of fun

762
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,360
horns on the stage, stage diving, the crowd is going

763
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,239
and you got the mosh pit and they're going crazy.

764
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,719
It's and he's like, okay, we'll sign this band. That's

765
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,000
nineteen ninety, right. They don't put it on an album

766
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,800
until nineteen ninety two, which is also titled No Doubt.

767
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:54,079
That album skyrockets up to thirty thousand in sales. That's

768
00:38:54,119 --> 00:39:00,639
not even Golden Canada, right, And so what happened? Like

769
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,280
you said, they rent the vans, they go out on

770
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,480
this tour, they don't sleep in hotels. Innerscope isn't promoting

771
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,079
them at all, and they're going to these different towns

772
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:11,880
and they go in the record store and their album

773
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,440
isn't there, and they're not helping them with them pay

774
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,360
for the tour, and it's just this absolute struggle. As

775
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,320
a matter of fact, when they go to Oxford, Mississippi,

776
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,880
the only people that show up to the show are

777
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,440
guys that Adrian met early in the day. It's like, hey,

778
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,760
we're playing it, I you should come to see this.

779
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,320
There were more people on the stage than in the audience,

780
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,119
and so they would like jump off the stage to

781
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:35,880
balance it out.

782
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: So that's crazy, man.

783
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:44,199
Speaker 4: So they're playing with bands back in Anaheim and they're

784
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,199
they're playing with bands like the Intuchables and Fishbone, and

785
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,239
they do one show, one show at cal State Long

786
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,920
Beach with a band called the Red Hot Chili Peppers,

787
00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:00,400
which ties us back to both Pieces of You because

788
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,800
Flea played on you were Meant for Me, You Were

789
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,000
Meant for Me, and ties back to Jagged Little Pill

790
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:09,119
because both Flee and Dave Navarro played on you utter

791
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:13,000
know that's right. Okay, So they're signed with Innerscope. They

792
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,079
released this no Doubt album. It does steadily. I mean

793
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:21,000
it's after driving hundreds and thousands of miles to try

794
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,440
to promote this show by themselves. It doesn't do very

795
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:23,920
well at all.

796
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,199
Speaker 3: Right, Well, and keep in mind, this is the time

797
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,800
that Pearl Jam and Nirvana and Soundgarden are blowing.

798
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 4: Up, yes ninety two like they just like those guys

799
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,400
hit the scene late ninety one, This is ninety two

800
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,400
that they're trying to promote this. March of ninety two

801
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,760
is when it came out. Right, nobody wants a pop

802
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,440
scot band. They want their grungy, repressed, anger, hard raw sound.

803
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: That's why I give them credit for not donning flannel

804
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:52,800
and kind of doing the thing.

805
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,079
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, they stayed their course. They did. They did,

806
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,559
that is absolutely true. But they're not having much success.

807
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,039
Stefani Gwen's brother, who is a founding member of the band.

808
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,440
He leaves to go be an animatory animator for the

809
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,280
Simpsons and Rugrats. I mean he had been doing it

810
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,159
before though. That was like his kind of day job

811
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,599
when they were very first forming the band in the

812
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,719
first place. Right. And so after this comes out, for

813
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,960
the next two years, in eleven different studios, they're trying

814
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,880
to produce this album and they're getting no help from Interscope,

815
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,199
and Interscope had signed them to a multi album deal.

816
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,719
It's just they're just like and they would keep telling

817
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,760
them that's not a good song for this album. You

818
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,960
throw it away, throw it away. And so all of

819
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,360
these songs that Innerscope is telling them to throw away,

820
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,599
they said, you know what, We've got enough money. We're

821
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,119
going to buy a sixteen track recorder. They set it

822
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:44,639
up in the Stefani's grandparents' house and they record their

823
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,000
own independent album with their label at The album is

824
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,360
called the Beacon Street Collection. The studio the label is

825
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,719
called the Beacon Street Label. And they release this independent album. Right,

826
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,199
the first thousand sellout within a couple of months, and

827
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,840
by the end of the year. Now this is early

828
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,360
ninety five that they released the Beacon Collection. Now, Tragic

829
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,840
Kingdom comes out in October. I wish I knew what

830
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,079
the numbers were between March and October. But when they

831
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:14,960
have success. They ended up selling one hundred thousand albums

832
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:16,320
by the end of the year, but I think a

833
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,039
lot of that was kind of boosted by Tragic Kingdom, right,

834
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,199
But they're selling enough of this independent album that they've

835
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,599
made themselves, the inn Interscope is like, okay, well we'll

836
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,639
help out a little bit more. They're given a little

837
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,119
bit more leeway. And then this is where the Magic

838
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:32,400
and the Bush story comes in.

839
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,639
Speaker 3: Magic and the Bush.

840
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the guys who had done Bush's album had done

841
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,800
sixteen Stone. We talked about them back then. It's Rob

842
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,480
Khane and Paul Palmer. They meet them in one of

843
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:50,360
their eleven studio recordings, and those guys have an associated

844
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:55,639
label with Interscope. It's called Trauma Records. And they see

845
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:59,039
something that Interscope just doesn't see, right, and they're like, hey,

846
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,679
let's make a deal. Let us do the album. Trauma

847
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,480
Records does Tragic Kingdom instead of Interscope Records, and we'll

848
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,639
release it and will distribute it, and we'll get it

849
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,199
mixed properly and all this stuff. And they said, because

850
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719
this was a smaller independent label. They got the focus

851
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,880
that they really needed for this album. And then once

852
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,639
it's released, the guys from Trauma Records are the ones

853
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,719
that get them played on k rock, and they're the

854
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,800
ones that get them into the music stores so that

855
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,599
other people can buy their albums. And then of course

856
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,440
just a girl happens, millions and millions of dollars start

857
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:37,599
rolling in and then Interscope bulks on them, and so

858
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:40,599
they have to sue. Trauma Records has to sue Innerscope,

859
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,639
and there's a big battle about you know, breach contract

860
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:45,800
and extortion and all this other stuff. They end up

861
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,000
settling I read for three million, but I'm not really

862
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,039
trusting Wiki on that one. But it was a big

863
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,519
lawsuit that happened. But it was all because these guys

864
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,440
who had done sixteen Stone said we see something in

865
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,599
this band, let us give it a shot. They're the

866
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,360
reason that Tragic Kingdom did what it did, and had

867
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:05,880
had they not been there, we wouldn't know about it.

868
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: It's incredible. Yeah, you know, obviously something else happened. The

869
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,719
Bush frontman Gavin Rossdale and quin Stefani fell madly.

870
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: Love right, Well, they had started touring together. You know,

871
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,400
you mentioned that they had toured with three eleven a bit.

872
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,960
They also start touring with Bush. And she's broken up

873
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,039
with Tony for over a year at this point, and

874
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,400
Gavin Rossdale is a handsome man and she's a beautiful woman,

875
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,519
and bands tend to hang out, and they ended up.

876
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:31,719
They got married and were together for many years.

877
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: They were to They dated for seven married for thirteen.

878
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,079
Speaker 4: Wow, twenty year relation.

879
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,559
Speaker 3: Year relationship until. I mean, this is the big scandal.

880
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:44,480
But yeah, he was banging the nanny, right, he.

881
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: Was banging the nanny. Yeah.

882
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: And here's the weird thing about this. So I looked

883
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,840
into this a little bit. Yeah, it was a multi

884
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,559
year affair. The nanny was her close friend and who

885
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,360
looked up to her and emulated her. So she looked

886
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,199
like Gwynn, like had her hair color style.

887
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,119
Speaker 4: It was like he banged them Mi Anie me.

888
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like the hand of the rocks the cradle.

889
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,519
It was kind of this weird thing. Yeah, and Gwynn

890
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,360
found him out. Get this, you probably remember these days,

891
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,639
But the iPad was connected to the phone and the

892
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,119
nanny sent a text to the phone that also popped

893
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,599
up with me on the iPad while she was looking

894
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:22,239
at the iPad.

895
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so now she hooks. She hooked up with

896
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,880
Blake Shelton who she was doing.

897
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: What was it?

898
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 4: The voice? Was that what they did? The voice? Yeah?

899
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,039
And Blake is an Oklahoma boy from Tissamingo, Oklahoma, is

900
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,599
just down the road. You go down to Tissamingo, you're

901
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:37,519
probably not doing much other than maybe going to a

902
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:42,480
boomerang or I'd read which is Blake's restaurant, But you might.

903
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:49,559
You could run into Gwen Stefani. There's no doubt, that's

904
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:49,960
all right.

905
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:50,519
Speaker 2: I love it.

906
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:52,519
Speaker 3: Next song on the album is called.

907
00:45:52,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 7: The Climentrisk must be play looking down to see a

908
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:10,320
bottle a Time.

909
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 4: This song has like an forties fifties feel to it

910
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,639
for me. And you've got this kind of interesting I

911
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:24,920
would say, I guess it's a calliope. I don't know

912
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:32,000
kid find liapy. Yeah, that kind of circus sounding instrument

913
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,679
that you hear in the background. I love it. I

914
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:35,880
think this is a wonderful song.

915
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that. This song reminds me

916
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:42,559
I think we covered in our Dirty Dancing soundtrack. It

917
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:44,719
feels like the you Don't Own me song.

918
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,679
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, very similar, you know we're talking about yeah exactly,

919
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,920
and that's yeah, that's the right time period, exactly. Great song.

920
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,519
Do you got anything on this one? Nope, Maybe that's kid.

921
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:55,239
There's a lot of songs on this album. I love

922
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,719
the song, but we gotta keep it all got to

923
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:57,480
move fast. Yeah.

924
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,599
Speaker 3: This next song is called sixteen.

925
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 4: This is interesting. This is kind of the blossom. You know,

926
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:25,800
somebody's coming into their age and do they really know

927
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,079
what they're doing. You're trying so hard you can't cop

928
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:32,199
a feel, and then talk about you know, it's these

929
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,039
rotten neighborhoods that have made these rotten kids. It's I

930
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:39,679
don't know exactly how sixteen plays into it, other than

931
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,880
that's the age that everybody seems to kind of look

932
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,440
at you and go, well, you're old enough to not

933
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,480
be doing this kid stuff anymore. And that's what they're

934
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,559
dealing with. Again. We're getting that ska rhythm with this one,

935
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,360
but it's I feel like it's they're playing it with

936
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,159
a keyboard. I don't think this was the guitar that

937
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:54,960
I was hearing that ska rhythm on it. It was

938
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,599
the keyboards.

939
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: I think this would be a good concert song. Yeah,

940
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,880
but for the album, I'm moving on pretty quickly to

941
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,440
the next one.

942
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: Okay, what are we going on? The next one?

943
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:24,679
Speaker 3: Next song is called Sunday Morning. All right, So Sunday Morning.

944
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,039
This is the fifth single.

945
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:26,679
Speaker 4: Okay.

946
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,159
Speaker 3: It's the last music video for this album.

947
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: Okay, okay.

948
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,559
Speaker 3: And I watched this music video. She looks like May

949
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:35,920
West or something. You know, she's plucked out of a

950
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,400
different era and dropped into this music video in the

951
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,199
middle of the nineties.

952
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:39,559
Speaker 4: All Right.

953
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,079
Speaker 3: The big thing they do in this music video is

954
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:43,199
they make Italian food. I'm looking for the guy from

955
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,119
Goodfellas who's like razoring the garlic in the corner. But

956
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,960
so they make this big to do about making Italian food.

957
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,559
Then they get in a food fight at the end.

958
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I remember the food fight.

959
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,079
Speaker 3: It's kind of fun. This was released as a VHS single. Wow,

960
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,920
put this in your VHS recorder. I think this one's

961
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,239
kind of a favorite among the fans.

962
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 4: I feel like this has to be another song about

963
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,679
her breakup with Tony Kanal, like this one very much

964
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,480
is about the at the kind of the anger that

965
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,079
she's directing towards him to.

966
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:15,599
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm so glad you said that, because that jump

967
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:18,360
started a thing in my brain where I saw her

968
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,440
telling the story about the birth of this song.

969
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 4: Okay.

970
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,679
Speaker 3: Now, she did a lot of riding with Tony despite

971
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:28,800
their breakup, right, okay, And she had to go to

972
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,719
the bathroom, and I think, if I'm reading between the lines,

973
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,480
I think she was sick to her stomach. I think

974
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:38,400
she was maybe barfing in the toilet, Okay. And so

975
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,960
he goes to comfort her and is playing. He said,

976
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,599
he plays the bass. He does not play guitar. He

977
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,559
knows like three or four chords and that's it. And

978
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,880
so he's playing the only three or four chords that

979
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,119
he knows, and he's singing through the door to her,

980
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,639
some stupid little ditty about I hope you feel better,

981
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,480
so weekend, sing some more, you get back, we'll do

982
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:06,639
it again. But for some however, that worked out. That

983
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,639
became the building blocks for this song.

984
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 4: The three chords that he knew how to play on

985
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:11,880
the guitar.

986
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:13,639
Speaker 3: He said, he can't even sing like he was singing

987
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,440
playing guitar. He does neither of those. Well, and she's

988
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,480
barfing in the toilet.

989
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,559
Speaker 4: It's great, good one, all right.

990
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,159
Speaker 3: I mean, let's get to the heaviest of the heavy

991
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:23,719
hitters here.

992
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,039
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take a moment and I'm gonna go back

993
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:30,199
nineteen ninety five, driving in my ninety two Nissan Sentra

994
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,280
with my JBC CD player that I aftermarket put in,

995
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:39,599
and I'm going through the songs, and this song Don't

996
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:44,519
Speak starts like this, I don't.

997
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,039
Speaker 1: Want him.

998
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: Thirty years later, and the hair on the back of

999
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:07,079
my neck still staying kills. Man. It is so so

1000
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,360
good and an entirely different style of music than you've

1001
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,800
heard on any other song on this album. Got a

1002
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,239
very Latin style of this, a classical guitar playing instead

1003
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,639
of Tom's normal heavy, distorted guitar. And then they make

1004
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:23,679
the video for it and they take it up like

1005
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,599
eight notches. That's true, true, So obviously whenever the whenever

1006
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:31,360
the band became big. Part of the reason they became

1007
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,559
big is because she's beautiful, she's active on stage, they're

1008
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,159
doing a lot of press. They're unfortunately having to talk

1009
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,599
about the breakup a lot over and over again and over,

1010
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,480
which is of course the subject of this song. And

1011
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,360
you know you sent me like a clip of the

1012
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,920
original way this song came out and they were it

1013
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,519
was being played on a keyboard and the melody was

1014
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:53,719
kind of the same, but the meaning of the song

1015
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,079
was completely different. She was saying, don't speak, You're not

1016
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:57,679
teaching me anything, right.

1017
00:51:58,159 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: Let's listen to that version right here.

1018
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,639
Speaker 8: Together, and we will forever.

1019
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 9: That's pressure, treasure, don't speak for you, say absolute, please

1020
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:20,960
stop explain.

1021
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: Okay, the bones are there, but it is not the

1022
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,239
mega ton bomb that this song becomes.

1023
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 4: Well, like I said, I don't think at this point

1024
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,159
that my opinion is at this point it wasn't about

1025
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,840
the breakup. I think she switched because the lyrics ares

1026
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:41,519
different at different Yeah, and so there's an emotion behind

1027
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,719
it because of the breakup. But then also at this

1028
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,960
time when they've become famous and she's become the star

1029
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,119
of the show, they are doing all this press. They're

1030
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:53,880
getting on magazines and having stories written about them, and

1031
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,760
Spin magazine contacts them and says, we want to do

1032
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,119
a cover story on you, and they're like, oh my gosh,

1033
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,440
Spin Magazine, Oh we are cover story. And they're like,

1034
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,960
when do we show up for the pictures and they're like,

1035
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,320
we only need her yeah, and that I mean that's

1036
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,880
got to hurt, Right, You've got this elative moment that

1037
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,679
you're gonna be on the cover of one of your

1038
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:18,360
favorite music magazines, and then you're not. It's just gonna

1039
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,519
be the girl. And she had to feel bad too,

1040
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:25,159
because it's like she's not choosing this, but it's obviously

1041
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:28,840
creating some animosity between her and the band. And then

1042
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,079
they're trying to think about what are they gonna do

1043
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:34,159
for the video for this new song that's coming out

1044
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,880
that's about a breakup? They said, what if we did

1045
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,360
it like it was the breakup of the band, And

1046
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:54,480
they said, we literally couldn't think of anything sadder. And

1047
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,280
so you have these moments in the video where, like

1048
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,840
you know, the magazine guys are like they have a

1049
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,360
sure the whole band and they just take the frame

1050
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,199
down to just her face, right, And I saw Tony

1051
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,360
talking about this and he goes, the reason the acting's

1052
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,519
really good in this is because we weren't really acting.

1053
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:28,559
Speaker 8: That's it.

1054
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking.

1055
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: So this song, like you said, it was originally written

1056
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
as a love song. Her brother Eric Stefani helped her

1057
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,280
write it.

1058
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had done most of the writing for their

1059
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,199
songs up until he left in ninety four. So this

1060
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,119
is really this is her coming out the band working

1061
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,840
more together as the songwriting, but he's still got he's

1062
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,440
definitely got his hands all over the songs. Right.

1063
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,039
Speaker 3: So you said everything that I was going to say

1064
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:54,920
about the song, except this was the number one song

1065
00:54:55,119 --> 00:55:00,800
on Billboard Airplay for sixteen weeks bread over. Yeah that's forever,

1066
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,400
that's four or five months.

1067
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:03,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1068
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: Do you know the song that bested it? This song

1069
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,480
knocked it out of its record breaking spot in the nineties.

1070
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,559
Speaker 4: That's a big one, right, that is a big one.

1071
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. That song is called Iris by the Griga Dolls. Yeah.

1072
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,320
But yeah, but the very end of it, when she's

1073
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,719
saying she's going through that hush hush.

1074
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 4: Its heartbreaker, it is. It's amazingly good. And I forgot

1075
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,239
to mention this. You know, you talked about the other

1076
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,440
two like Spiderwebs and just a Girl, and she was

1077
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:48,360
you know, she's wearing the style that she kind of

1078
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,079
made a thing but was definitely a style of the

1079
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:55,440
Orange County Girls, which are the baggy sweatpants or baggy

1080
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,000
you know, workout pants and the tight cropped top. In

1081
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:01,639
this video, she's wearing what I would describe as a

1082
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,480
mom dress, and her hair is very demur and it's

1083
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:08,880
it's like they wanted to make her not hot and

1084
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,239
sexy in this and it works perfectly.

1085
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 10: Did it?

1086
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:13,639
Speaker 3: Did it make her not?

1087
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 4: She can't avoid it, but they toned it down for this,

1088
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,880
and I think that the seeing her in this kind

1089
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,239
of conservative dress, it was the right choice to make.

1090
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,239
It was the perfect choice for this video.

1091
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: Man, love it one of the truly great songs in

1092
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:31,559
the nineties.

1093
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I hate to leave this one.

1094
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: Next song on the album is called.

1095
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 4: You Can Do It.

1096
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 10: You can do It?

1097
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 4: Okay. I hear this song and I'm ready for Punching

1098
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,800
John to start right out.

1099
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: It's got a lot of disco in it.

1100
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: This is so disco, and I'll tell you, you know,

1101
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:16,039
as as abhorrent as disco was in the eighties, you know,

1102
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:20,079
when we were listening to Michael Jackson and Prince and

1103
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:22,719
hair metal and stuff like that. By the time ninety

1104
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,159
five hits, and even before that when I wasn't still

1105
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:27,320
in high school. So I'd say probably ninety three ninety four,

1106
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,880
girls are wearing belt bottoms again and it looks good.

1107
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,840
And so for this song to be on this album

1108
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,679
that's so heavily disco inspired. I was like, heck, yeah, man,

1109
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,280
turn this up. Let's let's let's boogie woogie woogie.

1110
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,079
Speaker 3: You know who is a big fan of this song?

1111
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 4: Tell me Barack Obama.

1112
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: It's not Barack Obama, right, very similar though, it's the

1113
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,920
world famous co host of the Accidental Legends podcast, mister

1114
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,559
Dirk Smith himself.

1115
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 4: Derek Smith, nice good, good called Dirk. Guys, if you

1116
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:04,960
haven't checked out Accidental Legends, it will have either just

1117
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:08,199
dropped their dropping their first episode on December fifteenth, Be

1118
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,239
sure and go look up Accidental Legends, hosted by our

1119
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:14,239
friends Dirk Smith and Matthew Brent. Dirk even came and

1120
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,559
co hosted an episode. Matthew went to Shirleyfest with us.

1121
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,719
The great guys. They're gonna have this great podcast where

1122
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,239
it like it like the title might imply somebody who

1123
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,679
became famous kind of by surprise.

1124
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,519
Speaker 3: No doubt it would definitely be a candidate for that podcast,

1125
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:30,960
right all right, next song.

1126
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 4: On the album, The song is called World Go Round.

1127
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:58,000
This album is like a schmorgasbord of music. Here. We

1128
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,719
just went from a Latin in romance tune to a

1129
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,119
disco dance tune to a kind of country ska mix.

1130
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:09,639
This is incredible. I can't I can't tell you how

1131
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,000
awesome it was back in nineteen ninety five ninety six

1132
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:15,719
to pop this album in and hear all of this,

1133
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,119
these kinds of music. We're gonna give our final judgment

1134
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:20,199
at the end of this episode as to what our

1135
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,599
silver gold bronze are for these three albums that we've

1136
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:28,000
been covering. But I got to say a big factor

1137
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:31,480
in my decision is going to be the variety and

1138
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,519
amazing changes in music that were nothing that anybody was doing,

1139
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,599
and really not many people did after this, even this

1140
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:40,519
is really great stuff.

1141
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, for me, No Doubt literally is the

1142
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:47,719
last new music I listened to before I bailed.

1143
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

1144
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,039
Speaker 3: So my oldest son, Gunner, was born in two thousand

1145
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:56,079
and two, okay, and I remember changing diapers to the

1146
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:59,360
radio and hearing like Hella Good was the big song

1147
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,400
at the time, right, which was a great No Doubt

1148
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,320
song that was I think two albums after this. So

1149
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,360
they hold a special place in my heart because they

1150
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,760
are the last band before I bailed on pop culture.

1151
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,519
Speaker 4: Wow. Okay, So I feel like this song is trying

1152
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,559
to make a political statement, but it's so vague. I

1153
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:21,239
don't know what the political statement is like, it just

1154
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,719
misses its mark on the lyrics.

1155
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: Here.

1156
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:26,239
Speaker 4: Good thing that the music's fantastic because I don't know

1157
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,960
what makes the world find a different way to make

1158
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,119
their world go round.

1159
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: Means I'm okay with not making a political statement on

1160
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:33,800
every song.

1161
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: I'm real good with it. But if you're going to

1162
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,599
do it where people know what you're talking about, I'm

1163
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:41,119
just saying I don't know. I don't know what this

1164
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,760
is about. But anyway, we got to move on to

1165
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,360
our next song.

1166
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,639
Speaker 3: Next song is called end it on this.

1167
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 4: So this is the last song. No, they have title

1168
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,280
to end it on this and then they don't end it.

1169
01:00:52,360 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 11: Yes, all right here it is ended on this.

1170
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:15,239
Speaker 4: It's another breakup song.

1171
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Speaker 3: It is like I said, the breakup between her and

1172
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,039
Tony is maybe the epicenter for what this album became.

1173
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:25,119
Speaker 4: It's it is the fuel for the fire for sure.

1174
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely the only little tibbet I have on this song. Yeah,

1175
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,000
Gwynn gave this song as a demo to her dad,

1176
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:33,599
who played guitar from.

1177
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 4: Our guitar at college.

1178
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, attle harp i think something like that. Yeah, and

1179
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,079
they liked folk music back in the day.

1180
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

1181
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: She gave this to her dad and said, hey, will

1182
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,960
you listen to this, see what you think got any

1183
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:44,679
tweaks for me?

1184
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 4: And he said something, He.

1185
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: Said, why don't you get home? Why stop driving so late?

1186
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:52,199
Speaker 6: Oh?

1187
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 4: Okay, So there's a quick story on the driving so late.

1188
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,760
You know Tony's parents, like I said, they're all kinds

1189
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,119
of good families. They're from India, so you know, they've

1190
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,800
got a cultural take care of the family kind of thing.

1191
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,280
And when he started playing with the band, they would

1192
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,960
be playing on weeknights and he wouldn't come and home.

1193
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,360
He wouldn't be home until three am. And his parents

1194
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,760
were like, you can't keep doing this. And he's like,

1195
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,079
you don't understand, Like this is this is real, this

1196
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:20,920
is something, this is amazing, and you just you don't

1197
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,760
get it. Please look at the guys that I'm with,

1198
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,679
they're all people from good families. Look at their parents.

1199
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:29,719
They're nice parents. We're not out there doing bad stuff.

1200
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:32,280
They're like, you're one of the first acts to play,

1201
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,400
why are you coming home at three am? What they

1202
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,960
would do is they would play, then they would go

1203
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,840
back to somebody's house, probably the Beacon Street place, and

1204
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,119
they would watch videos of themselves. They basically did like

1205
01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:47,199
the sports trick of let's watch our film and go

1206
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,400
that worked that didn't, and use it to improve their show.

1207
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,440
So they weren't out partying until three am. They were

1208
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,119
out mastering their craft by looking at what they look

1209
01:02:57,239 --> 01:02:59,960
like on stage and making it better for each consecutive show.

1210
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah, you know I heard a story that

1211
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,920
they're drummer Adrian Young, who actually talked about in this

1212
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,679
month's Patreon Yeah that's right. Yeah, I'm not gonna give

1213
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:11,559
any details on that song, but he would play shows

1214
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,639
completely naked, right, Like.

1215
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,719
Speaker 4: He practiced completely naked.

1216
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,599
Speaker 3: Go ahead, maybe that's one of the things they review, like, hmmm,

1217
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,599
maybe put on some clothes.

1218
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, put a sock on. D So on him joining

1219
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,440
the band, it's another interesting story because you know, he

1220
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:34,480
comes in and he's a fan, like he's the last

1221
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,320
of the kind of core four members. He's the last

1222
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,639
one to join, right, But he's grown up listening, I

1223
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:42,719
mean grown up. He's been going to these shows and

1224
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,079
listening to these guys, and he's got their little cassette

1225
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:49,760
tapes that they've made, and so he finds out he's

1226
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,519
been playing drums for a year and a half. And

1227
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:55,519
he finds out they need a drummer, and he knows

1228
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:57,679
because he's a fan, he knows the drums, and so

1229
01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:00,599
he shows up and he says a playing for about

1230
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:03,639
eight years. And they said when they heard him play,

1231
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:06,360
he knew the song so well they thought they believed him. Yeah, okay,

1232
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,079
he's been playing years plus. He is such a like

1233
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,280
vibrant personality, like the guy who's going to play be

1234
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:19,599
a naked buck a naked on stage and you see

1235
01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:21,639
him and he'll make a little double horns out of

1236
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:24,239
his hair, or do these weird kind of swoopy things,

1237
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:29,000
or have leopard print in his buzz cut. It's he's

1238
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,079
he seems to be a very interesting guy. I was

1239
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:34,679
surprised that he is a scratch golfer. I was not

1240
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,440
expecting that. But yeah, he apparently is a scratch golfer.

1241
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,920
Gets invited to do the charity celebrity tournaments all the

1242
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,480
time because he's so good. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, okay.

1243
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,920
Last song on the album, and the song the album

1244
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:51,960
is named four. This song is called Tragic Kingdom remain see.

1245
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 6: This play him when they said Sam.

1246
01:04:54,400 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 4: Thomas, okay, Tragic Kingdom YEP. As we mentioned before, this

1247
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,559
was written literally where they could hear the Matterhorn ride

1248
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,960
like it's right next to Disneyland. Yeah, and I'm trying

1249
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,840
to figure out if that's kind of what it's about, Like,

1250
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,760
is the is the old king Disney you know, are

1251
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,480
are they worshiping something that was once good that is

1252
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:28,119
now bad or they blind mice and the music it's

1253
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:31,039
like a freaking Andrew Lloyd Weber Like this is like

1254
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:33,639
Phantom of the Opera kind of style to it, once

1255
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,480
again giving something completely new and different than any other

1256
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:40,480
song on the album. It's wonderful, it's pretty cool.

1257
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:42,639
Speaker 3: So at the beginning of it, you have the please

1258
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:45,639
Be Seated, you know, the little track that you can.

1259
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:48,199
Speaker 4: Hear the roller coaster tracks come yeah.

1260
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:50,119
Speaker 3: And then when it starts to me, it sounds like

1261
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:52,719
it could be played over the loudspeakers, like maybe on

1262
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:55,920
the Hunted Mansion ride. It's it's dark, you know, the

1263
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,039
chorus is kind of in that minor key, and then

1264
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,400
it goes into nightmare fuel in the last.

1265
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, last thirty second, Yeah, last thirty seconds. So we'll

1266
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:12,599
play that for you real quick. Okay, what did you

1267
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:12,920
tell me?

1268
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:16,119
Speaker 3: All right, So, at the very very very end of it,

1269
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:18,599
as it's fading out, like literally the last four or

1270
01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:21,760
five seconds of the song, there are some sour notes

1271
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,599
played on a trumpet something like that, and I'm like, dude,

1272
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,039
that's the Star Wars theme.

1273
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:42,239
Speaker 4: That's it, right right. So I'll tell you this. I

1274
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,719
remember years ago somebody go into a No Doubt concert

1275
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,079
and they said they played the Star Wars theme like

1276
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:51,880
they played the whole thing. So I just pulled it

1277
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,599
up on YouTube. Let's see if we can.

1278
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 3: That's really cool, man. That's like a rock concert entrance

1279
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:03,119
right there.

1280
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,039
Speaker 4: I mean, it was great. They all come marching out,

1281
01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:07,280
and of course it's the Imperial March. It's not the theme.

1282
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,119
But I there's no doubt you're right that that you

1283
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:13,079
did it. I did it. Take your last drink hopefully.

1284
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,559
Speaker 3: The show, okay, before we get to your final judgment. Yes,

1285
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,239
you're at the roller rink. Okay, these three girls are

1286
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:22,199
lined up. Which one do you ask to couple skate with?

1287
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,199
Speaker 4: First jewel?

1288
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: Okay?

1289
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 4: Number two? No hesitation?

1290
01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

1291
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 4: When Stefani okay can't go wrong? You can't go wrong

1292
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:33,719
if by follow my face and Jewel, and when Stepani

1293
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,880
roll off, I'm still like, hey, like okay, sky with you? Okay, Yeah,

1294
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,400
I went to win.

1295
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 3: What if you're in a movie theater? Yeah all right,

1296
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:54,679
so let's get onto our final judgment. Yeah, okay, d

1297
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,119
go ahead, man, this is your thing?

1298
01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 4: Okay. So Alanis Morissett has the third most like this.

1299
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:04,280
The Jagged Little Pill was the third biggest selling album

1300
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,320
of the nineties. Yes, not girl album, but there were

1301
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,239
plenty of girls of them all number three.

1302
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:11,719
Speaker 3: Right.

1303
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,520
Speaker 4: This changed what music could be, no doubt, change what

1304
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,960
music could be. It was a shift big time. I mean,

1305
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:22,479
these guys were in the wrong place at the wrong

1306
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,760
time when they were becoming big while grunge was big.

1307
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:27,119
But as you said, they stood their ground. They made

1308
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:32,079
their own music and with no expectation at all, released

1309
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:35,680
an album that was a groundbreaker. And then there's Jewel,

1310
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:41,000
who's singing coffeehouse songs. Right, I'm not going to tell

1311
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:46,640
you what I think is the best musically. I'm not

1312
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,760
going to tell you what I think has the longest

1313
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,920
staying power. I'm going to tell you I'm picking my

1314
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,720
gold based on what moved me the most. Okay, it

1315
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,520
had the same effect on me thirty years later as

1316
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,720
it did when I listened to it back in nineteen

1317
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,159
ninety six. Okay, only one of these albums made me cry,

1318
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,119
like literally tears crying, and it's Jewel, And I realized

1319
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:13,199
that she is the Probably you know, anybody else looking

1320
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:15,720
at this is going to say, well, she's obviously the bronze.

1321
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,479
She's obviously the bronze, and I do. I have always

1322
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,840
found her very attractive, but I didn't know what she

1323
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,720
looked like other than her little face on the on

1324
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,039
the CD cover until after I had heard the CD.

1325
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:28,960
But she moved me so much with those little coffeehouse

1326
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,439
songs that for me, just from my own personal experience,

1327
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:34,439
she's gold.

1328
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 3: Okay, she's the gold. How about that?

1329
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 4: Yeah? Now, the really really difficult part is figuring out

1330
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,760
which of these other two gets silver and which gets bronze.

1331
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,560
If I was saying music, you know, the skill of

1332
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:55,560
the musicians playing, and the uniqueness in sound and even

1333
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,039
just monumental moments for me as well, I would probably

1334
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:03,199
pick Tragic Can. But if I've got to listen to

1335
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:06,800
one album beginning to end, I think I'm much more

1336
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,159
likely to pick Jagged Little Pill because it is such

1337
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,880
and it's an unblemished album from beginning to end. There

1338
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,560
are several songs. I mean, there's fourteen songs on Tragic Kingdom.

1339
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,399
I'd skip some of them, Okay, I mean just because

1340
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:21,720
there's a lot and I want to get to some

1341
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,079
of the songs. I don't think there's a single song

1342
01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:26,399
other than the last song on Jagged Little Pill that

1343
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:29,359
I would skip. And so I'm gonna say Jagged Little

1344
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,199
Pill is my silver metal and Tragic Kingdom is bronze.

1345
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,680
But it's a daggum neck and neck and they're all

1346
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,439
neck and neck. We're talking hundreds of a second difference

1347
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,600
in this race. So there you go, very good, very good.

1348
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:44,760
Well this has been a fun comparison. Yeah, I will

1349
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,119
tell you that my gold.

1350
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't back down from what I think

1351
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:51,399
is maybe the best album of the nineties, which I

1352
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:54,199
think Jagged a Little Pill is a masterpiece.

1353
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 4: Yep, no skippers.

1354
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,399
Speaker 3: All songs are great, powerful, I love them. Jag a

1355
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:02,399
Little Pill is mine number one. I hadn't really been

1356
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:06,119
exposed to all the jewel songs Tragic Kingdom. While they

1357
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,840
have some great peaks, I didn't really know the in

1358
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,279
between songs, So after listening, I think I'm gonna take

1359
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,199
if I'm walking out the door, maybe just because of

1360
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,680
Don't Speak, I'm grabbing Tragic Kingdom, and then Jewel would

1361
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,479
be my bronze. But I had a great time with

1362
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,680
that one. I think it's fun. It reminds me of

1363
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,960
hiking and skiing in Colorado. So I loved all three.

1364
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 4: Well, guys, what do you think? How do you rank

1365
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,359
these albums? Hit us up? You can hit us up

1366
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,239
on Facebook. You can hit us up on Twitter or

1367
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:36,840
on Instagram as well. Don't get a lot of movement there,

1368
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,279
but hey, we might change that, or this would be great.

1369
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,439
Hit us on the comments on the YouTube video, man,

1370
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,920
that would be fantastic. That actually gets us out there

1371
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,199
in front of more people. And if you'd be so

1372
01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:48,039
kind if you've made it this far with us, to

1373
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,920
like and subscribe on either your YouTube or on the

1374
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,239
podcast platform that you're listening to us, that also helps

1375
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:58,159
us get more exposure. We love having new fans hit

1376
01:11:58,239 --> 01:11:59,960
us up, and it happens all the time, telling us

1377
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:03,600
about how this album moved them, or that album moved them,

1378
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,479
or this movie was so meaningful. Or how they enjoy

1379
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,680
listening to this podcast with their kids. So, guys, thank

1380
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,520
you so much for what you do. Tell us what

1381
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,800
you think, send us a message however you like, Oh,

1382
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,880
if you want to email us Shirleypodcast at gmail dot com.

1383
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about what we have next week.

1384
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,319
Speaker 4: This is I was talking to some people. I met

1385
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:26,279
some people last night. They had a stack of vinyl

1386
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:29,279
LPs in a guest room records, and so I immediately

1387
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:32,840
started talking to them. We talked, had great joy talking

1388
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,640
to them, and I brought up next matchup is gonna be?

1389
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:41,199
And I said Saint Elmo's Fire, and the wife was like,

1390
01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:45,760
shut up. She's like, I am subscribing right now. I'm like,

1391
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:48,359
I haven't even gotten to part two. Part two is

1392
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,680
the Breakfast Club. She's like, I love the brat Pack

1393
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,359
and I said, honestly, I haven't seen sane Emos Fire yet,

1394
01:12:55,399 --> 01:12:58,279
and again she went shut up, and I was like, yeah,

1395
01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:00,479
I'm sorry. It was It was an R and I

1396
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,359
was a little kid at the time that it came out,

1397
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:03,840
so I didn't need to see it, although I did

1398
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,720
see sixteen Candles quite a bit. And she mentioned something

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about the awkwardness of the date rape that's in that movie,

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which I didn't really occur to me until now, but yes,

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that does make it a little weird. But anyway, we

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will be doing Breakfast Club versus Saint Almost Fire, so tune.

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Speaker 8: In for that one.

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Speaker 3: See you next week, guys.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: He went on to direct remakes of Friday the Thirteenth,

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Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Conan O'Brien, Conan O'Brien, Conan the Barbaria.

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Let me say that again.

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Speaker 10: I'll I'll take