Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on Clipper Nation? How's everybody doing? Welcome
to season three, episodes forty five of Clips and Dam
I Am Chuck Mockler join with a fresh cut at.
Adam Oslin. William Updyke is here as well. We got
the full crew here to talk about all the hellish
things that have been happening recently for the Clippers. We're
gonna talk to trade too. I don't know if you're
listening to us. Thank you so much for listening. If
you'd like to watch us, find us at YouTube dot
com Slash at Clippers Podcast. Like I said, we're gonna
talk everything that's gone wrong over these last three games.
We're gonna talk maybe if the bench can help us
out before we get into it. Fellas, Adam, you've been
having to answer to the public over at AM five seventy.
How are you doing amidst this three game losing skid.
Speaker 2: I mean I would have to answer to him if
I didn't have them all in time out. Maybe. Yeah,
it's it's been rough, a lot of panic setting in
cole E's done, Clippers are cooked. All these things are
happening right now, but I think a lot of it
is just angst from the Lakers getting Luca and then
blowing out the Clippers and then you lose them a
different way where you're up twenty two and you should
have been the team blowing out a different team wearing
yellow out there. Instead they give that gave away last night,
So I understand the frustration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not idea.
Speaker 2: Will.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? How are you holding up?
Speaker 3: I'm doing alright. It's weird. It hasn't been that long
since we've last talked, but it feels like years. This
wasn't you know, like a was a pretty entertaining trade deadline.
You know, maybe not the hugest names move, but there
was quite a bit of movement. And I think that
that is one of those things that take in context too,
is I think Clipper fans maybe feel a little bit
differently if there wasn't this backdrop of the team performing
so poorly without you know, some sort of major move,
because I know that's kind of what everyone gets excited about.
But you know, there is still there appears to still
be a vision that we're headed towards. We haven't like
completely veered away from that at the trade deadline, which
I think is you know, is actually a really good thing.
And it's also just one of those things where I
liked that the Clippers aren't tying up more future assets
to sort of open or extended the championship window that
they really don't even know is there. If Kawhi Leonard
isn't helping.
Speaker 2: They don't know what's our year?
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro get Laura, get Larry on the phone. Damn.
Speaker 2: I thought there are listeners.
Speaker 3: That's why you don't need a trade.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's no way that any player Boggeden's listening.
What's that Bogdenhooker doing good? Yeah, Bogey and the chat.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how old he was because I thought
he was a little younger.
Speaker 1: Serbian people, Serbian basketball players, they can play forever. He's
got a real.
Speaker 3: Young face, so good on him. He's got a wish rising.
Speaker 1: He also has a ye yes haircut that yeah, I
wouldn't pointed out. They like because it shows that he's
not scared of anybody, which I appreciate. I mean, Okay,
the Clippers have lost three in the row. We can
talk about the turnovers. The defense has been horrid. There's
no release valve. What is going on? This is it
just fatigue because we look at some of the let's
I guess, let's start with the turnovers nineteen versus the
Bacers last night, which is a lot. Didn't even have
that many in the two games before that against the
uh Lakers and Raptors. But like, will, what do we
see it? It's just like no one can start the
offense other than James Harden and even he is having trouble.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's looked a little lugubrious on that end.
And then just like so much of when this team
is firing on all cylinders, it's creating offense off of
their defense, and we just haven't seen as much of
that recently. And I'm hoping that's just coming down to
fatigue because the game plan hasn't really changed. The personnel
even after the trade deadline is largely the same. So
you got to think that there is sort of a
fatigue component wearing in. And it is difficult because I
feel like the Clippers find themselves in the situation time
and time again, sort of limping into the All Star break,
which is never really where you want to be. It
is understandable, you know, I mean, we've all worked jobs
we've all had that kind of Thursday, if you know
what I'm talking about. But h it is, it's just
coming at a really poor time because there seems to
be there's there's other teams in the West who after
this trade deadline, are certainly looking to ascend. You know,
it's already a very tight conference with you know, really
only one spot separating them from having to play their
way into the playoffs. It couldn't be coming at a
worse time. But I'm my hope, my own is that
this is one of those things that that can they
can't right the ship post a little bit of.
Speaker 1: A break and the schedule also, they've played a five
and seven, then they basically have played every other day
up until tomorrow, which is brutal. Then they have a
back to back when they come back. But Adam, what
are you seeing from this off? I love the point
Will about defense leading to offense. They have one hundred
and twenty defensive rating over the last three games. Not good,
very bad. And yeah, I don't know, Adam, how are
you feeling? Man? You had to watch the game in
person last time. It feels like you should get.
Speaker 2: A race for it goes back even further to me
because if you go back seven games, they are nineteenth
defensively over that time, and I think part of this
is they're not creating the turnovers and getting as many
points off of turnovers, where they're second best in the
league to Okay, see over the last seven games, last
seven games, are only creating twelve turnovers per game. On
the season, they're a little over fifteen per game. That
is a huge part of this Clippers team, their identity
and how they play defense. They get deflections and they
get easy offense on the other end. They need that.
They have to have that, and they haven't recently. I
think it could be tired legs. I take your point
about playing every other day. I think that's part of
what's been going on with Kawhi the last three games.
He's looked a little bit gassed at times, and his
minutes have gone up. So while he's kind of trying
to get his wind, his minutes are going up. I
think it's going to take time to stabilize. But yeah,
I think look, last night was a little bit different
because their defense was pretty darn good in the half court.
But when you have nineteen turnovers leading to thirty two points.
You shouldn't win that game. And guys, there was a
twenty eight point turnaround in eleven minutes in the second quarter.
Twenty eight point turnaround in eleven minutes because at one
point they had six straight turnovers and there was a
nineteen point turnaround in less than three minutes around the
three minute mark of the second quarter. That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, and you talk about ball pressure and the Clippers
creating opportunities to pay only had seven turnovers like he
got nineteen and the end of the team has seven.
That's pretty tough game to win. You could just give
me that part of the box score and I'd say
they probably lost.
Speaker 1: And that is the Pacers game their top I think
they're top ten in transition scoring, so that plays right
into their hand. They have guys on the bench who
can run like it's god.
Speaker 2: I first picked up on it in the game in
Charlotte where they don't have LaMelo, they don't have.
Speaker 1: A few guys anybody.
Speaker 2: They weren't turning the ball over, and I'm like, what's
going on here? How are the Clippers not taking advantage
of this? Right now? They're bad and they're missing their
best guys. Yeah, so that was kind of hmmm, are
they given the same defensive effort there? And that's when
coach lou after the Lakers lost, goes, no, no, no, I've
been pissed for three games. Well that includes a game
they won against Charlotte. He hasn't liked how they've been
playing for some time.
Speaker 1: And they're just chasing. They're chasing the other team literally
in transition as they go out and get buckets against us,
and a little bit in the half court sometimes people
are pointing to, you know, Harden's effort on defense. Will
You and I talked about it a little bit after
that Lakers game. It wasn't super ideal. But now people
are looking or watching Kawhi a little closer and how
he looks like he's moving, and we talked about it
in that postgame stream. Will It looks a little different
than when he first got back. It's looking like, you know,
it's kind of like gone out of order. Right those
first couple games of Kawhi back, it was like, whoa
this guy? We're seeing some pop like it's looking, you know,
like there's some juice to it. And now we're in
the oh. Now he's back to playing regular season basketball
kind of in it, and we're seeing it turn look
a little more like he's having to come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that was natural, And we
talked on this show like I was a big fan
of the way that they really gradually.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was the right thing. But now
that he's up to actual game minutes, I still think
that there's like another peak or another valley until he
gets over that back into his sort of regular performance.
And I don't think there's any way to mitigate that,
you know. I think you could bring him up one
minute a week or whatever and still playing full, like
a full minutes load like he's used to. There was
still gonna be some off games. There were still going
to be an adjustment period. He still has to get to,
you know, whatever level of Kawhi he can. And I
do think we're not losing games with him looking great,
So I do think that that's one of those things too.
Like we've already seen snapshots of the performances he stayed
on the floor. We haven't heard anything about the swelling,
not that we would until it was too late, but
we haven't heard anything. So those are all positives, like
it leads me to believe that thus far, the team
is convinced that the knee is reacting in the way
that it's supposed to be, so I can trust that
those performances are gonna come. We've already, Slay said, we've
already seen glimpses of it, but it's it's not ideal.
Like I said, there's there's sort of a conflagration of
issues all happening at the same time, with internal and
external forces. That just it doesn't feel great right now,
but I do think, uh, you know, give it a
week and you might feel a little different. It's all
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: During the All Star break, I'll feel different.
Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, Will did you read a thesaurus before this episode?
Because you've been dropping so no, I fucking it out.
Speaker 3: That's my mad.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, let's do it. Yeah, that's up
this new trade deadline. We got something I've heard of books.
I've heard of them both. Can't read both paper and hardcover.
Speaker 2: You don't walk around like Lebron which is the first page?
Speaker 1: Right? Oh? I do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yes, I'm just ripping the covers off and
put them in picture frames on the wall.
Speaker 1: I on page one of War in Peace. I really
like it so much. Adam, what are you seeing from Kawis?
Is it just? I mean the rest is obviously going
to help them coming up, and.
Speaker 3: I think they might have another little rough stretch out
of the break until they get.
Speaker 1: Things back in And I'm not super worried about this
in the long term for playoffs yet, but if we
come back and you know, March, some are saying we
were playing seventeen games that month, talk about a test?
Speaker 2: Are we sure it's not eighteen now?
Speaker 1: It might be. Yeah, they might be doing a game
of day. But I don't think the long term where
he's ready yet, but I would like to. So they
got the Jazz on Saturday and then they got a
back to back before the All Star break. Let's go
to and want like, where you at on Kawi's defense?
Do we just kind of I mean, we just kind
of have to ride this out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually I think a little bit of the
other size. Some of Kawhi's defense hasn't been great, and
it's looked to me like he's been a little bit tired.
Some is he's gotten exposed. Its looks like his it's
his fault when nobody else is helping the helper, and
then Kawhi comes over late. They're like, oh, Kawhi was
late there. It's like, no, he was trying to make
up for somebody else's.
Speaker 1: Mistake, the Zubot's problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that type of thing. I watched a possession
against he clamped. There was a possession against the Lakers
where in the second half he was trying to ramp
things up and he had Lebron on the left wing,
and Lebron had to give it up, and then Kawhi
went and guard the other guy. I forget who it was.
I was like, that look pretty good right there. That
looked real good. So I think it's been a little
bit spotty, but also overblown that it's been horrible or
something like that. Out there. I would remind people. I
just looked at the on off numbers with Kawhi versus without.
They got a one zero six defensive rating in thirteen
games with Kawhi Leonard out there, which is better than
their normal defst rating and would be like best in
the league. And offensively, they have a one nineteen number
still with Kawhi out there, which is like ten points
better per one hundred possessions on the offense. Ben So
the whole Kawhi has made us worse. Our defense is
way worse and all these things. It's like, no, that's
really like they've had some bad moments, but like last night,
that is about their offense wrecking their defense. That is
completely about their offense turning the ball over and getting
all those transition points where it's really tough to play
defense in those situations where you're just giving the ball
up with some unbelievably pathetic turnovers at times, like just
giving it up six straight turnovers, six straight turnover, I mean,
is that a franchise record? Six possessions six straight turnovers
and they were by four different guys. There were different
guys were turning it over. And then they had two
straight near the end of the game after a time
out where normal I think stepped out of bounds and
then it was what the James Harden won where he
just got like run over at half court and gave
it up. Yeah, there were some really inexcusable turnovers that
to me is less about their half court defense was
pretty good last night, but you let a team my
dad get in transition and you're already looking gassed out there.
That is, you know, a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 1: And this is also Miles Turner played five minutes last night. Yeah,
like hope is concussion?
Speaker 2: Is heay? I guess somebody shot Zu got eleven?
Speaker 1: What so you mentioned in the turnovers and we're gonna
talk more a little in depth in the next segment
about you know, Bogden spot in the in the rotation
and stuff like that. There is no release valve now,
like the release valve for James Harden is like shut off,
like no one again, like no one can set anything up.
What do we How does that get better? And I
was not a fan of how KPJ played basketball, but
he could initiate an offense better than anyone else on
the team. It seems I'm not saying they shouldn't have
traded him all that stuff, but like it's kind of horrifying.
Speaker 3: I think that they're pretty confident in a buyout candidate
or I don't think they would have gone I don't
think they would have gone to that extreme at the
trade deadline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree with that. I also think
KPg was gone, Like either if they don't get anyone,
they'd just rather ride with at least the front office
would rather ride with Bogie and Done. Last night was
so extreme and so bad. And yes, they've been bad
with turnovers this year. They're bottom three, I think in
turnovers per game. Last night was something else with the
amount and the bunches of turnovers that were coming, Honey,
bunches of turnovers, Like some of those are so inexcusable
and so just embarrassing. Uh, they're better than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just and the vibes do we want to do?
We want to talk like obviously.
Speaker 3: The vibes and like the distribution of the turnovers that
we got to talk about too, because like James Hornan
was actually pretty solid with the ball. Uh, it's just
some of the other guys that you don't normally, you
don't normally expect, like Derek Jones Junior had three.
Speaker 2: That's why, Yeah, I don't I'm checking his I wondered
last night if that is that the most he's ever
had in a game or tied for the most. Okay, no,
he had nine once. I was I don't know about that,
but it's gotta be one of Kawhi is pretty damn
good taking care of the basketball. And to have five
and the one he had against Yakam late in the
fourth quarter before they took him out where he played
I think the first ten minutes of the fourth that
looked to be fatigued and it was a really bad turnover.
Is why I was kind of just laying there on
the ground afterwards for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I want the All Star break to
be now, is what I want for this team.
Speaker 2: I think I said last year this team needed two
All Star breaks because you remember how bad they looked.
I hope it's not the same thing.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not either. And I hope, like I
don't know what, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: They do have three days coming off coming up, so
maybe that you know they I see a scenario where
some of these guys are looking at that is and
licking their lips, like, man, I got three days coming up.
I hope there's not a foot out of the door.
But some of the play recently kind of looks like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, and James Harden the post game of Ability, man,
he looked like he's ready for the three days off,
like he was what will you watched it right before
as what was it fifty seconds?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really short, but I kind of I
kind of agree with the sentiment where he's like, you know,
it's the NBA, you lose. He's been in this league
for a long time. It's a lot of games. I'm
sure every team that he's been on have gone through
these stretches where it's like, you know, the like to
people covering the team and fans, it's like all red
lights are flashing, but when you're there on the court,
it's kind of like, oh, just had a couple of
bad days at work. Like it, you know, it's like
it's not ideal. Obviously, these guys want to win and
they can be so much better. But I, yeah, I
can't be too hard on him. I gotta be honest
with you. I can't be too hard on it. Like
the you know, the on product stuff, like the on
court stuff has kind of been shit. And I don't know,
you know what here's supposed to like what he's supposed
to say about that, Like what do you you know
what he really should be getting into He's.
Speaker 1: Supposed to name names? No, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you wanted to say it's all the
second units fault or something. I like is that better?
Speaker 1: Someone commented that I when I thought this was an
interesting point that if PG would have said that that
what Kawhi said, people would have been more upset, which
I thought was for sure.
Speaker 3: PG put his foot in his mouth every week and throw.
Speaker 1: The ball at security guards.
Speaker 2: Talking about false equivalence, is like, come on, like Kawhi
has a misstep, Paul George is somehow yeah, shooting himself
in the foot weekly. I I was a little bit surprised.
Maybe because Will went to the thesaurus earlier. Would that
be terse from what we saw from James Harden last night?
Yeah that it was. Yeah, maybe it's just he didn't
know how to like sometimes guys are upset. It's after
a game. If you go for a runner, you get
a workout done. I'm always amazed sometimes at how eloquent
guys could be here articulate in a postgame interview when
they're sitting there sweating profusely. Sometimes a guy just can't
find the words. It's just like I have enough, I'm tired,
I'm gassed, I just want to go home. Maybe that's
what that was. I'm not going to read too much
into it because there hasn't been a lot of that stuff.
It wasn't like last year and this our identity or whatever.
Speaker 1: And the locker room's been good, right, It's not like
we're in a scenario where the locker room's weird. There's
no power plays happening. Yes they you know, we traded
Terrence Mann and Bones Hyland. No disrespect of those guys,
but they weren't you know, holding the vibes together inside
the locker room or anything like that. So probably fatigue.
Probably you just lost your third game in a row
in a really annoying way. It was they could have
won the game.
Speaker 3: I don't know, and well, like not to believe at
this point to what you're gonna have too much of
bros collared glasses. But at least when we go through
these stretches, we know what this team is and who
they are and where they're trying to get. Like, there
is like an identity, there is an on court style.
There is a roster built to built, you know, to
perform in that on court style. It's not like last
year where it was like every single time someone like
this happened, it's like we got to throw out the
whole damn drawing board.
Speaker 1: What do we do now?
Speaker 3: So I I you know, like, I'm I'm as bombs,
I'm I'm I'm as upset as anyone else. But I
will say it is a little bit consoling to know
that at least like they got a point at the
map where they know they're going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even a team like the defending champs, even a
team like the defending champs and the Boston Celtics, I
think just went through a stretch where they were five
hundred over sixteen games or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lost the MAVs.
Speaker 2: It happens, it does. Yeah, then they lose to the
MAVs last night. I didn't even have Anthony Davis yet.
Like these things, these they people say when the Clippers
get blown out. Somebody the other day was like, this
doesn't happen to championship teams. I'm like, oh, I don't know.
The Clippers went into Boston and blew them out last
season and they still won the championship. So I guess
it can happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Especially in the NBA.
Speaker 3: People think that everybody is like the like the the
seventy three win Warriors team or something. It's like, no, dude,
like championshipteen like the NBA season is long, it's gotten
shorter somehow, and like historically it's gotten shorter. Like this
stuff is gonna keep happening.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter seventy two win Bulls they lost, like
the Expansion Raptors, that team that year.
Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, I don't know. Let us know how
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Speaker 2: Come, I just know how you feel if they lose
to the Jazz on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Oh, we are going to be in the building on Saturday,
I believe all three of us are. And if they
lose to the Jazz, we're hanging out with Dime and
we're doing the post game because I will be red hot.
All right, coming up, we're talking the new look bench.
There were some trades they made, lateral plus moves, as
I like to call it. If you're listening, there's gonna
be some quick audio ads if you're watching, just a
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got rotation talk coming up in three two one.
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip, your favorite
podcast about the Clippers. I hope. Uh. Look, we wasted
a lot of time at the beginning talking about that
people don't care about games on court stuff. Let's get
into what the people actually care about. Trades, trade, deadline,
roster changes. It's big and small. What happened? Folks? Where
are we at? Guys? Who do we want to start with? Where?
What's the marquee move? Here? Are we saying Bogie? Is
that the marquee ad?
Speaker 1: No? I think the move for bow Champ was the
mark He.
Speaker 2: Ad yes position by subtraction.
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, oh really quick though, So they moved Bones.
He got waved today.
Speaker 2: I kind of I'm kind of shocked by that because
they don't really have much a point guard. That's a
great I thought that was a great situation for Bones.
Speaker 1: I did too. I was surprised he was waived, but
I hope the best for Bones. But damn, what a
fall from grace. Like minutes why he was second team
All Rookie and it was just like forced his way
out of Denver makes sense. Came to the Clippers. Seemed
like PJ. Tucker was his vet, which was bad.
Speaker 2: This was the problem. Guy took him under his wing.
He took one guy under his wing, and then he
took him down with him and.
Speaker 1: It was the youngest guy who could be good on
the Clippers. Fucking nightmare. Dude, what team is PJ on
right now?
Speaker 2: By the way, did he get passed around four times?
Speaker 1: Bones?
Speaker 2: Did he end up back with Phoenix?
Speaker 1: Let me look.
Speaker 2: I his Wikipedia. His Wikipedia has not been updated. It
still says Clippers.
Speaker 1: Oh he's updating, not himself.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's kind of telling.
Speaker 1: Raded three times in five days, Raptors.
Speaker 2: He's not expected to suit up for them, of.
Speaker 1: Course not he's a suit up. But he probably didn't
even leave twelve million dollars that just keeps.
Speaker 3: Giving baby, Yeah, god what okay.
Speaker 1: So now that that's out of the way, man is gone.
KPJ is gone. They got bog Dan who is per
Law Murray gonna have the KPJ role. I liked what
Loss said where he said, I think we have to
look at it outside of point Guard and more like
play Starter. Law talked about He asked James Harden about
KPJ before the road trip. He said, you know, you're
being asked to different things depending on who you share
the floor with. KPJ was the only reserved shot creator
Now that's bogy, which okay, I like the logic there,
But what if when what happens when James Harden in
choire off the floor, what happens in this terrible shooting.
He's having like one of his worst years old, the
worst he's having the worst year I think is going
to come back.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that, honestly, Like I think, bad
situation going on in Atlanta. They're just spinning their wheels.
Trey Young probably gets trade within the next year or so.
I think theygas were bad there their trade DeAndre Hunter trade.
They didn't get enough for him. Uh.
Speaker 1: One in the live stream asked why would the Hawks
do this trade? And it's the hardest question I've ever
had to answer, because I was like, I don't know,
because they have like a weird front office with no goal.
It seems like or like they're.
Speaker 3: Spending a wheel. They have no like I just feel
like they have no idea what they're supposed to do
right now. Ever since the Murray trade went completely haywire
and they've been a losing team since, it's just that, Yeah,
I don't I guess.
Speaker 2: My guess is why I like the Bogey move so much,
and we kind of talked about Chef when you jumped
in with me on the live yesterday during the trade deadline,
and when they got him when the news broke, I
was like, okay, what is this me for KPJ. And
then ten minutes later they sent him out. I was like, Okay,
this makes sense. They want to go by committee with
him and Chris Dunn. But in a playoff series, you're
probably not going to have both Kawhi and James Harden
off the floor at once. One of them should be
on the floor.
Speaker 1: I sure as shit, hope not like that would.
Speaker 2: Be, so then you're not asking them to do a ton.
Those guys Bogie and Chris Done and Chris Down I
think has average six assists in a season before, like
he should be. I know there have been some bad
turnovers with the court in critical at critical times should be,
but I think they have enough for me to be
more comfortable in a playoff series than having well KPJ
and theory is better than all these guys handling the
ball has never been in a playoff series, and his
play was very much up and down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy we don't have to see playoff KPg.
I can't watch dribble, dribble, mid range, clang, dribble, dribble,
spin move mid range clayg not even looking at anybody
else on the court.
Speaker 2: Well, if you watch a Bucks game, you might see
it with Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's true. Yeah, well, where are you
at on the bogie thing? We haven't gotten your take
on it. He has. He is having literally his worst
shooting year of all time. I think we all agree
that's probably gonna come back in a better advice twenty
four games. Yeah, I haven't played a lot. I don't
know how you feeling, head like.
Speaker 3: I think that it was a good move. I think
it's kind of like the perfect sort of consolidation around,
like you know, uh Margins type of move that the
Clippers needed to make. I do think that bogie. You know,
he's older than I remember for some reason that I thought, but.
Speaker 1: Old is he thirty?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I thought he was kind of mid thirties.
Speaker 3: I guess I thought he was like thirty. I thought
he was like twenty nine to thirty. Anyways, I like
the move. I like the move. I think that it's
a bummer to see Terrence go. But this is a
this is more of a position of need in the
back court, even with having so many sort of guards
and tween airs, like, I do think that we need
somebody who can create for themselves a little bit more.
I have been as a whole, I feel like I've
been a little disappointed in Chris Dunn as a sort
of play center. I kind of thought that I kind
of thought that part of the reason Clippers fans had
wanted him so bad for so long was because he
was like a little bit better in that area.
Speaker 1: And I don't.
Speaker 3: Know that that has been great, So I think that
that was something that was definitely needed. I still think
and I alluded to it earlier, but with KPJ being
gone again, I think that that's a move that need
to happen. I wonder I really want to know Tylu's
thoughts about it, if he's in alignment with the front
office on that one, or if that was them kind
of saving him from himself. But I would be really
surprised if there weren't another like creator ball handler, maybe
not necessarily a scorer, but a ball handler facilitator sort
of in their crosshairs.
Speaker 1: A Patty Mills type man.
Speaker 2: What about a guy who's like six ' nine and
doesn't like to shoot at all, but uh does have
some lathe and can dribble the ball.
Speaker 3: I do I do think there's like I do think
there's probably a Brogdenner Simmons move.
Speaker 1: So Brogden's staying. I think David Aldridge was reporting that
Brogden's like they want him to stay.
Speaker 3: Oh it's kinda surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they I talk about another franchise that doesn't know
what the hell they're doing right now. So maybe that
Winger Cook lat Winger Cook. Are you the first person
to ever say that? Yeah, dude, Winger for sure refers
to himself in third person. Wingers got this baby. So yeah,
So now we move to the bike because I agree
Will like that. We all, you know, we knew about
the floater, we knew about the defense from Chris down.
But in your you see what position he plays, and
you think, oh, probably okay with initiating the offense in
some kind of way. And you're right, it's been a
little this way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, I guess I thought he was like
more of a sort of a pat than type ball handler,
which again not like elite, but can set up the
offense to a degree. Yeah, and Pabev was a much
better off the ball shooter.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Yeah, it has been a little bit disappointing.
Aside from him being one for his last twenty two
from the outside, I thought the ball handling would be
a little bit better.
Speaker 1: He's made one more than us combined in the last
twenty two to three point attempts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough. The defense is so good, and coach
Lou did say last night that could have been a
game where maybe he starts Chris done. It sounded like
because they could have used another ball handler out there
and that accounted for the turnovers. But then he, I mean, is.
Speaker 3: He like is he that ballhand.
Speaker 2: I think it's just only some of the burden.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's just not what I'm seeing on the court.
Speaker 2: Well, Coach Lou also brought up how but then again,
we were up big, So I'm hoping they just stick
with the starting lineup because, like the numbers say, it's
been the best over so many minutes so far this
season in the NBA. Now, I don't know how it
adjusts after last night, but man, it probably is around
the same because they did get up big because of
the starting lineup. Guys, do you don't They almost tied
the record for three pointers made in the quarter last night.
They hit ten three pointers in the first quarter. The
records eleven, which happened against them when they were in
Boston this year's funny not the right word.
Speaker 1: So that that the Tyleru quote about maybe starting Chris
Dunne terrifies me because now we're in this world where
we have a rotating starting lineup, Like, but he hasn't been.
Speaker 2: Doing that in a while. I mean, Chris Dune has
been out So if.
Speaker 1: We go, I'm gonna be like, okay, Like this doesn't
instill a lot of confidence in me that were, you know,
game plan ready for the rotating starting lineups are not Like,
it's not I'm against them for a team that is
going to be an actual playoff team.
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I watched a lot of Bogey and Sacramento.
Oh yeah, Bob Danovich can bring the ball to the floor,
damn it. And he's he's a big body for that position. Like, yeah,
that does not happen last night six straight turnovers if
Bogey is out there, Okay, I'm not saying he's a
cure all for everything, and he's been banged up and
the shooting hasn't been there. But I feel like a
lot of this is going to be fixed with just
a change of scenery. Like he is. He's been on
the trade block for the last couple of years in Land.
As we mentioned, they're going nowhere fast, and he can
hail the ball, he can roll.
Speaker 3: There are some stops too for a player that I
feel like you can't really fairly assess where their skill
set and where they're at in their careers. And for
me at Lena is firmly one of those stops right
now where it's like a guy has a bad stretch
in Atlanta. And I'm not, like, I don't know how
much you're reading today if I'm being perfectly like, no disrespect,
no disrespect to any Hawks fans, but like, how can
you like they don't know what the hell they're doing,
how can you expect him to, like, you know, have
even average numbers.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any Hawks fans who are fans
of the front office, you know, Like I think, hey,
there's blat winger Cook. You know that we all sit
cool aid sometimes, Hey, That is very true. That is
very true.
Speaker 2: I'm really hoping this is like Randy Moss with the
Raiders and they're about to get Randy Moss with the
Patriots with Bookie.
Speaker 1: Brady. That part why Tom Brady, James Harder. Okay, who's
Kauhi on that on this team? Now, we don't have
to do this, Okay. I hate when people do that.
Explain the explain the.
Speaker 2: Lucat the multiflated last night. Is that why there were
so many tall Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, you know the Ben Simmons talk. Robert Flabb has
been throwing water on the Ben Simmons fire that Adam
Will and Will Updyke have been stoking.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's mostly Will, but I have hopped on.
I think it's a good call.
Speaker 3: I think I'm not saying it's done at work, but
like to me, it's a high upside move that if
it's a bile risk, if it's a buy out, there's
like truly no lower risk. Robert flam I think, brought
up the only valid point that that I could see
as a negative, which is if Tylo for some reason
favors Ben Simmons and he gets undue or unearned minutes
which we do know a way that can happen we
have seen, we have seen happen before. But aside from that,
which again I mean that could happen with any player
on the roster.
Speaker 2: So I'll still say this though, with a buyout guy,
when you are selling them to come here and we're
gonna do this for you, that can lead to there
are assumptions being made, their expectations from that buyout guy
that I'm going to get minutes, And yeah, Rob ain't
wrong there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, does he really want the minutes? Though? Like
I'm sorry, but like where Ben sums career? Is he
walking his way into Tyler's office and demanding more minutes?
Because that is not what I'm seeing on the floor.
Speaker 1: And so but it's it seems like it's between the
Calves and the Clippers. There might have been a third team,
but I had to make.
Speaker 3: Up for all the the main two context.
Speaker 1: Would he have a bigger role on the Calves than
the Clippers.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. They have more bigs.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't, right, like shouldn't they shouldn't want to play small
ball like ever?
Speaker 1: Right there?
Speaker 2: So actually that's not true. If you play Boston, you
got to prepare for that, and that's why I like
the DeAndre Hunter move for them. But I like what
Will was saying. I think it makes a lot of
says you go for one in four out with then
Simmons playing the center and the small ball unit. I
think that's interesting. I think that's something that could work
at times.
Speaker 3: I love the passing. I know that he's had the
back issues and he's, you know, maybe not the explosive
player that he once was. I still like the upside
of the athleticism. My other thing is if he, let's
say this deal happens tomorrow, he is the what no like,
what number of best ball handler on the second unit?
Top three, easy.
Speaker 2: To have, top two guys, he's the best.
Speaker 3: He's probably he's the.
Speaker 1: Best easily because you're asking him. Yeah, he's not as
good as he once was.
Speaker 3: But the only question mark is if you can put
enough spacing around in on that, which we can well, because.
Speaker 2: With Bogue now I think he definitely can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're also he's coming in to dribble the
ball up the court, be a play starter, make good cuts,
attack the attack.
Speaker 3: The rim anytime, they like, they dare him to shoot anytime,
like they're they're slacking off of them.
Speaker 1: Just go for it, buddy, play above average defense from
what we've gotten from our other backup centers, which should
not be difficult.
Speaker 3: Well, he's a he's a solid rod defender, a solid reminder.
Speaker 2: Like, Hey, I havn't said that you Banks looked all
right last night?
Speaker 1: You did? He looked okay, Drew Banks Man, he might
listen to the show. I'm just guessing it.
Speaker 2: You can you bank on it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, so what we need some local ads for that? Yeah?
If you Banks makes a bank shot, the crowd should
get something you bank.
Speaker 3: Play them both together. Call it the Simion lineup, like
the money from the sims because and the bank.
Speaker 1: That's a good call like that.
Speaker 2: It's crazy that we talked about this off air beforehand.
Speaker 1: So you guys are going, Ben Simmon, is there anyone
at like brogging off the table? Who else is even
a pot?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anyone really talk about Yeah Simmons for
the Clippers, I'm not here.
Speaker 3: Sorry, well oh no, no, no, Well and like Valenti, ha
just got moved for about the deal that we thought
it seemed wild reporting was out on that because initially
it was like two seconds, and then some people were
saying they wanted to first, and then it ended up
being like two seconds. And you know, Olynic it like
it's not a buyout candidate. I feel like he coming
into the season with somebody I could see, is he not?
Speaker 2: For some reason? Maybe I thought I heard that earlier
he might be. Now I don't know. Wait did he
get wait Pelicans trading branding over the Raptors for Killyolinox. Okay,
we knew that. That's from me yesterday. Now, I just
thought I heard somebody say maybe he's a biout candidate
with New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Kelly Olinok is one of my least
favorite archetypes of players, which is people who went to
god Zaga.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would make sense, It.
Speaker 1: Would make sense if he was on the team. Yeah,
so it's really kind of Ben simmons.
Speaker 3: Or could teach you how to grow his hair out.
Speaker 1: Okay, that would be incredibly valuable for this team. We
haven't even talked about that yet. Talk about a quiet
trade deadline, No talks about Zoo's playing to grow his
hair out to get more foul calls. All right, anything
else on the roster before we look ahead to a funny.
Speaker 3: Adam, how much Marion film have you watched?
Speaker 1: There's not a.
Speaker 2: Lot, so bow Champ. You know that's a bio candidate. Actually,
I hope, I hope he stays around. He's got size,
he's a wing.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you don't think he's the new Terrence Man.
Speaker 2: I'm not that familiar with him, honestly. Yeah, we're just
looking up the raw numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is he playing less than five minutes a game?
Speaker 1: He posted some highlights, like a highlight video someone made
for him, and they're all from the Drew League, and
they weren't incredibly impressive. So that's what I'm going What
six seven though something?
Speaker 2: Let's say they because they have an open roster spot
right now. Yeah, so let's say they bring someone in
on the buyout. That but I'm saying, like, if you
bring someone in on the buyout, then to get Jordan
Miller to a standard, maybe you buy above Champ.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many games does Miller have left?
Speaker 2: Like, I think it's done. I think it's fifty is up?
Carlo and I were talking about this the other day.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I don't think Boucher and if you like,
we're gonna work another guy into the rotation, like I
don't want that.
Speaker 2: That was getting rid of KPJ is what that was.
Speaker 1: Also the statement the team released on it was just
like here's how much he averaged. End of comment about
BJ joining the Clippers, like there was no like we
value his x y z da da da da Like
it was boilerplate.
Speaker 2: I thought even Patty Mills doing his introductory pressor for
him and you Banks that day a couple of days ago,
was being really cryptic with what his role could be,
and it made me think, like they tell him, yeah,
this this could be a place you get bought out.
Also like all right, but Patty Mills, if you keep somebody,
I would think it would be him, because he's being
a good vet. Yeah, got familiarity with some guys.
Speaker 1: And shout out to all the Australian Clippers fans. Get
your Patty Mills jerseys as quickly as possible. Unclear how
long Mills will be available for interesting number choice on
his part, but I won't get into that on air.
Coming up, we are going to be talking the Clippers
playing the Jazz. Not gonna go super in depth on this.
I think we all know what we want to see.
If you're watching. Thank you. If you're listening and want
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Shack Clippers podcast brief Break and then talking the Jazz
coming up in three to.
Speaker 2: One Welcome back. In his Clips and Dip episode forty
five of season three, I'm at a masle. We got
chef Macklin will Updike here and we need a victory
tomorrow night, dude. And I'm not just saying any victory. No,
they get by on the skin of their teeth against
the Utah Jazz. We are still going to have a
ton of questions about this team. Don't tell me a
wins a win. We need style points against Utah. I'm
not trying to disrespect them. I'm not trying to overlook them.
If the team does, they will be in trouble. But
from a your perspective, a fan perspective, you want to
see the Clippers come out and do what they were
starting to do early in that game against the Pacers
and finish it off.
Speaker 1: And this is, weirdly enough, the third time this season
the Clippers will be on a three game losing streak
and then play the Jazz. So can we really be
mad at the schedule makers, slumpbusters.
Speaker 2: The salt Lakes.
Speaker 1: The Salt Lakes, slumpbusters, dude, been there before. We have
to I don't like I was trying to type up
some bullshit notes about what we need to do in
this game. But you know what, it's the jet. We
know what we need to do. Everyone has their job.
Gives you the ball if things are going getting sticky,
or shoot better than whatever the hell he shot last night,
which was very bad. From three, like, do the start
with defense right, clamp them down defense to offense. We
know what this team. We've beat them the two other
times we played them after losing three games in a row.
We beat them so.
Speaker 3: Hard to beat the same team three times straight though.
Speaker 1: It's not not this Jazz team and not you know, yeah,
I'm gonna be furious if we lose this game. Well,
do you have any actual analysis? I'm sorry I didn't
put any in the breakdown, but I'm just furious from
this three.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a this is a must win,
Like truly, this is you know they've slipped out that
they're in the plane right now.
Speaker 2: Lak hold on, guys, hold on, I'm like double checking this.
The Utah has won two of three, and their two
wins are against Orlando and Golden State. I know that's
not Boston Cleveland, but they won both those games and
they beat Indiana.
Speaker 3: Are the Blazers on like a six game win streak.
Speaker 2: The Blazers have been playing well.
Speaker 1: They're killing it. Yeah, they beat the Pacers right before
the Pacers beat us.
Speaker 2: It's like the bad teams are colluding together and being like, Okay,
we know we're all going for Cooper flag, right, but
we're all going to try a little bit right now
before we go back to chasing their captain of the flag.
Speaker 3: I think you know we've we've been obviously because we
cover the Clippers. We've been hyper focusing on the Clippers
kind of malaise leading into the All Star break. This
is why you're seeing some of these younger, less experienced
teams rattle off a few wins like this. This is
not the only team that the fatigue that's in. For sure,
they've had a more shit schedule than a lot of
other teams. But like, this is happening across the league,
and it does happen across the league every year, and
and these these are the type of teams that are
going to capitalize on that and take advantage of that.
And that being said, that's why they need to come
out and set the sort of tone early and actually
hold on to it, uh to get this most win game.
Speaker 2: Ain't got that dog in them days right now? For
a lot of teams he that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Clippers are facing those allegations right now.
Speaker 2: Check the X ray.
Speaker 3: If you're used to getting your teeth caved in on
a night to night basis and you're playing a team
that's maybe given seventy five percent effort, I'm telling you
you're you're you're biting at that opportunity every single time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've in high school. I played on some Jazz esque,
some Blazers esque teams. I know what it's like when
you when you roll up against the team where you're like, oh,
we can beat this team. I guess because they don't
give a ship And that's the only reason. Adam, what's
one thing you want to see from this game from
the Clippers?
Speaker 2: Twelve turnovers or less? Twelve turnovers are less?
Speaker 1: High Yeah, a lotto ticket too, man, Twelve turnovers.
Speaker 2: Are less and a visa's bos getting up at least
twelve shots. How about that?
Speaker 3: God the bar is solo, you need you need one more? Twelve,
I feel like.
Speaker 2: And twelve may threes. That's not enough. I was like, wait,
that's kind of only twelve misses from three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go twelve assists from Harden, say twelve to
turnover ratio from Harden twenty four and.
Speaker 2: Two at least twelve from Bogie. Twelve points.
Speaker 1: Never were a big numerology pod.
Speaker 2: Now let's start the game at twelve. Let's go matten
a matt Is baby.
Speaker 1: Hey, screw it baby to wake them up. Yeah, I
think I like the turnover thing is nice. I want
to see just just be just a hound of the boards.
Get back to the stuff that we were surprised from
early in the season with how competent the Clippers were
on the glass. Show that the and that's an effort statue.
Some of the times reboards are very much rebounds are
for sat a little bit like let's let's dominate the
glass on this one, like let's let's make it happen
now for the most important part. And now I think
because it because it's a losing streak, do we talk
about this earlier that everyone is now on the table
for player of the game.
Speaker 3: We have not, but I love it.
Speaker 1: It seems fair. We're bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the lone positive of the Clippers losing
three games in a row. We get more selections more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, selfe yeah, okay, Adam, who you're going with for
the player of the game against the Utah Jazz? So
we play the Jazz tomorrow, then we get three days off,
then the back to back is Memphis and then the
Jazz again. So that's interesting. Shout out the schedule makers there.
Who's your player of the game for this one?
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's playing, so I guess I'm
taking a risk here, but I'm going with Bogie. I
want to see Bogie playing. I'm a big fan, guys,
he's been a Lakers killer.
Speaker 3: Starting lineup unlocked, and he's going. He's going Bogie.
Speaker 1: I love true believer.
Speaker 2: Yeah that thirty about to turn to sixty percent from
me outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna have John Wall numbers from out there.
Uh well, well, who is your player of the game
pick against the Utah Slombusters.
Speaker 3: I'm going big Zoo. I'm going big Zoo because I
think if things aren't going right. We just gotta we
gotta get back to what works. If we gotta get
back to business. And I'd like to see I mean,
i'd like to see a twenty.
Speaker 1: Point twenty point that won't sign me up.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been playing too many minutes. I need
to blow out. I don't want to see that.
Speaker 1: Twelve and ten is what you want to see because
it's just out of hand at that point.
Speaker 3: He's doing it in twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Norm just got picked for the three
Point Contest, which is awesome fucking time.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but part of the reason he would make
the All Star team is because they didn't get him
in last year in the three Point Contest, which would
have put a spotlight on him and more people would recognize.
I'm gonna know how good he's been.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, well, Norm's been so consistent. I mean
he was off last night from deep I'm actually gonna
switch it up James Harden. The vibes that we saw
and that presser. I hope Harden has a remember who
I Am game against the.
Speaker 2: Jazz Kevin Durant, Do you know who I am?
Speaker 3: Game?
Speaker 1: Man talk? About a bad locker room. I hope nothing,
but I hope nothing but bad.
Speaker 2: Draymond and Jimmy they're on. They're like this, they're on
the same pitch.
Speaker 1: Great. Yeah, I'm going James Harden, and if James Harden
has a good game, the Clippers will most likely win
this game. Anything else on this Clippers versus Jazz game.
I just got the confirmation. Will should be in the building.
If you see us, come say hey, anything else you
want to talk about regarding the.
Speaker 2: Jazz SLC punked is about to go down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they should. They should still be in New Orleans
as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it. Let's open that up more.
Speaker 2: Makes no sense now.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. What's the joke from basketball
where music is illegal? They about the team movement from ball?
Speaker 2: Underrated? Love it you.
Speaker 1: Guys, rip on me thirteen fourteen more. Where I'm out
of here a little bitch, dude, there's some great lie.
All right, we're gonna go. We're gonna go. I'll watch basketball.
Next game after the Jazz game is the twelve verst
the Grizzlies, So there's some time off. We're not doing
an episode on Sunday. We'll probably have an ap out
on Monday to talk about some good things that are happening,
maybe some buyout news will Now that the team is
not playing well and people want to listen all they
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Speaker 1: We do. And we just got a five star review
on January twenty sixth from Clipper IRV that said, been
listening to these guys since locked on and still haven't
missed an episode since I've started. Adam being in the
mix made the show that much better. Keep up the
good work. Hey, thank you Clipper big Earth.
Speaker 3: Let's go and Adam.
Speaker 1: One positive thing, this is my bigger heart is well
all here, one positive thing to send Clippers fans into
this must win weekend.
Speaker 2: I got a feeling and I don't want to say
this look.
Speaker 3: Tonight, good night.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that might be uh. Then we get the girl,
then we get the Khakis, then we.
Speaker 2: Get the Okay, Kawhi had eleven points in that fourth quarter.
He played ten minutes. I think of that fourth quarter.
We want to see him build and hopefully he's on
the injury report and he's playing ready to go against
the Utah Jazz for another thirty four minutes because he
was just under thirty four and nobody knew that was coming.
So there are some good signs. As much as we've
talked about you looking a little bit tired, I think
this might just be part of the process. This is
what you have to go through to get your win back.
Because he didn't have a training camp and it's only
been thirteen games so far, and the minutes had just
been going up slightly over the weeks. So let's see
what happens. But I'm at least encouraged by eleven of
what his eighteen points I think in the West quarter
or something.
Speaker 1: With that, there we go, encourage trust the process. Yeah,
injury report will be out round five thirty. I'll tell
you what. If Kawai's on it, we might all be
back in these seats. But thank you everyone for hanging
out and as always, let's go clips