WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:06.679 Weird things happened in. 2 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:11.320 Weird Weird. 3 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:28.320 Hey guys, we have an exciting event in May that 4 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.679 I want to talk to you about. My father. Chris 5 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:33.600 Bledsoe will be the keynote guest at the Contact Modalities 6 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:37.320 Expo at the Lake Lawn Resort in Delavan, Wisconsin, from 7 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.880 May second to May fourth. Come check out the premiere 8 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.159 Consciousness Symposium in the Midwest. There will be a VIP 9 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:47.880 lunch a SkyWatch weather permitting on Friday. On Saturday afternoon, 10 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:50.719 Dad will be interviewed live on stage by Jimmy Church 11 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:53.920 in a fireside style chat, and on Sunday night there's 12 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:55.880 going to be a cocktail party with a live DJ 13 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.079 and a live panel. Throughout the weekend, there will be 14 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:03.079 three conference rooms running simultaneously with some really cool presenters 15 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:07.480 with amazing topics such as breath work, sound and residence therapy, 16 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:11.920 remote viewing, seeing in real time without eyes, CE five, 17 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:22.480 dowsing rods, cryptids, spirits, mediumship, seances, astral travel, energy work, manipulation, knights, templar, 18 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.959 and the Keepers of the Knowledge, The et Connection, divine 19 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:30.480 feminine frequency work via crystal skulls, and bio filled tuning 20 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:36.680 plant medicine, ayahuasca channeling, quantum hypnosis, sacred geometry, and so 21 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.200 much more. Get your tickets and more information at Contact 22 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:46.040 Modalities xpo dot com and come hang with USh. 23 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:50.519 Welcome, Welcome, I guess to the Double Swapcast with Gamming 24 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:56.079 Memories Part Bledsoe said, So the Gaming Memories fans will 25 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:57.959 have already heard a little bit of an intro, but 26 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:00.959 I just want to get right into it. The prophets 27 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.640 the gods have commanded me to interview creative and interesting 28 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:08.639 people about their favorite gaming memories growing up. And we 29 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:13.400 have Ryan and Nick and their producer Alex, who I 30 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.120 think is part of the show as well. You should 31 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:16.520 cut the hand on camera. 32 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:19.879 He's controlling it, dude, and he's too shy. 33 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.879 They're one of my favorite podcasts, and I listened. I've 34 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:28.280 listened to probably like legitimately, like seventy five eighty percent 35 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.520 of the episodes a lot. I've listened to a lot. 36 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.120 I catch up with them. They're great driving anytime I 37 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.719 drive to my in laws, it's sort of tradition. It's spled, 38 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:39.719 so said so on the way there and the way back. 39 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:44.199 Catch up. Yeah, but I want I want you guys 40 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:48.240 to explain what makes you the podcasts and each of 41 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.080 you and your story creative and interested. 42 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:54.080 Yeah. I don't even know where to again tell the 43 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:55.319 people who you are. 44 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:59.000 Yeah, I guess we'll start with like a little bit 45 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:03.080 of a background. So basically, back in two thousand and seven, 46 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:08.560 my family started having experiences with these like really strange phenomenon. 47 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:10.599 It was it was beings, you know, beings of light, 48 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.879 and as crazy as that sounds, it's like being talked 49 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:16.479 about all over the world right now. It's like a 50 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:17.639 really hot subject, you know. 51 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:18.560 And. 52 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:25.280 Basically it flipped our lives upside down. And very shortly 53 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:29.280 after we had the initial experiences, me and my siblings 54 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.800 were children. It started with my dad and my oldest brother, 55 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.240 who was seventeen at the time. I was thirteen, my 56 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.639 other brother fifteen, My sister was like ten, and my 57 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:39.319 dad and my brother were out fishing on the Cape 58 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.960 River and they came close to or face to face 59 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.039 with these beings that had glowing red eyes, and they 60 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.000 were like literally their bodies were glowing like the color 61 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.360 of the moon, and you know, they saw all kinds 62 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.960 of ufo phenomenon that looked like these massive egg shaped 63 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.080 or my dad would say, like it looked like an 64 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.800 egg shape or a teardrop shape or a football like 65 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.680 he always had these, Like he couldn't put his finger 66 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:05.319 on it. But it was oblong, you know, like kind 67 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:10.280 of ovular, and it had these like you could say, 68 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:12.879 like tentacles of light just like flowing all around. It 69 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:14.919 was really weird. It was really kind of Eldridge looking, 70 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.839 you know, and came really close to them, and it 71 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:21.319 was just like a bone chilling night. And I'm really 72 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:24.240 paraphrasing the original event because I'm getting to like the 73 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.480 podcast and you know where we are today, right, So 74 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:32.079 long story short after I would say about ten months 75 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.759 after that night that changed our lives, we would be 76 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:40.560 as a family sitting down together watching TV. Because this 77 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.000 was a day that was really pre social media. Facebook 78 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.639 had only been out for a few years. YouTube had 79 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:48.759 just come out in like two thousand and six. People 80 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.879 didn't have smartphones. It was a really like unplugged world, 81 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:53.399 you know what I mean, And we're like, where do 82 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.160 we learn about this? How do we find information? So 83 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.120 we would watch UFO shows on TV as a family. 84 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.040 Me and my other siblings had already been seeing an 85 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:04.439 orb phenomenon and things in the sky and we knew 86 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:05.800 it was real. So we're like, we gotta learn, we 87 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.279 gotta learn. And anyway, long story short, one night we 88 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:11.519 were watching the show UFO Files and there was a 89 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:13.120 little blurb at the bottom of the screen at the 90 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:14.800 end of the episode that said, if you've had a sighting, 91 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.439 go to move on dot com. So Dad reports of 92 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:20.720 sighting at move on dot com and we had no 93 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.759 clue that it was like a CIA front where they 94 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:29.519 were gathering data on civilians who were having paranormal experiences. 95 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.240 So cut to just like six seven months later, they're 96 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:36.920 at our property, the Discovery Channel is filming a documentary. 97 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.040 It was like a front operation with CIA and di 98 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.720 IA operatives sent in to like make our story look 99 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.360 really bad, smear us, and move on. And what they 100 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.199 never anticipated is that we would keep having experiences and 101 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.199 that the intensity would ramp up and that it would 102 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.120 not go away, you know, And here we are today. 103 00:05:55.120 --> 00:06:04.040 It's like the most researched, vetted, attempted to debunk anything 104 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.319 you can think of that the government would do, They've tried, 105 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.639 and now it's to the point today where like the 106 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.720 official story coming forward from the government is virtually identical 107 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.240 to our story. It's crazy, but yeah, I mean it's 108 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.000 just grown and gotten crazier by the year, So. 109 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:23.279 I yeah, I wonder. I don't want to turn this 110 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:27.199 into like just your the story because we could go 111 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:29.480 for hours and hours and hours. But I'm aulco trying 112 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:33.920 to wondering how much context maybe people would be interested in. 113 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.920 I just like, I've been listening to your podcast for 114 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:40.199 a long time. I found your dad initially on his 115 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.199 four part series interview with Richard Dolan. I think they're 116 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.759 from like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I don't know how 117 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:47.120 old they are. 118 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.639 They're old, yeah, like twenty nineteen, Maybee. 119 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.680 Nineteen maybe, And I had it. I was deep into 120 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.399 the UFO topic or the UAP topic because I had 121 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.279 a siding in high school. And then the twenty seventeen 122 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:03.560 New York Times articles sort of allowed me to give 123 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.000 myself mental permission to revisit that. Like I'm not crazy, 124 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.399 you know, I did see something and then I became obsessed, 125 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.000 and I think I've I've told Ryan this before. I 126 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.399 was obsessed for a good three to four years and 127 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.120 never came across your Dad's name. But I'm listening to 128 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:25.120 every night, going for a walk three to four hours, 129 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.920 just UAP podcast, just whatever name I could come up, 130 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.720 but everything but your Dolan had then I would type 131 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.000 in something like Jocks Vallet, all right, let me listen 132 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.639 to everything that he's talked about, Okay, Lou Alesondo, Okay, 133 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.879 George Knap, Okay, Jeremy Code, everybody, everybody that I get 134 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.920 a hold of. And I don't I think it was 135 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.160 Lou Alesondo. Like way later that was just mentioned the 136 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.839 name like Ledsoe, and I was like, that name sticks 137 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:49.079 to your head. I'm like, I've never heard of an 138 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.959 experiencer called Ledsoe. I thought I've thought I was pretty 139 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.079 well versed in this. I found him on that four 140 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:59.319 part series and I definitely was open to the idea initially, 141 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.759 but I wanted to say that I believe you guys. 142 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.240 Number one, I've told you this one hundred percent, believe 143 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.319 your story. I think you guys are saying what you've experienced. 144 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.600 And I think if someone honestly listens to the scope 145 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.000 of all the different content they could over time you'll 146 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.439 realize that these people are being genuine, They're talking about 147 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:21.399 the experiences they've had, and you'll see it not in 148 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:23.399 the details like, oh, you know, it's cool that the 149 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.920 DIA or the DoD and all these people have come 150 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.199 and there's receipts for that. What really put me over 151 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:32.720 the edge is hearing you and your siblings talk about 152 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:36.159 it on the podcast Cool interesting you can kind of 153 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.360 like I have siblings, I have family, I have friends. 154 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.399 And when you hear like you and Chris chumming it 155 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.879 up and talking about like why he didn't talk about 156 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.600 it for so long, and there was like something he 157 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.720 said on the episode for those who need context, the 158 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.159 brother that experienced this with his dad didn't really talk 159 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.559 about it for a long time. And then I think 160 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.519 the first time he talked about it was on your podcast. 161 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.960 Right for the most part, Yeah, yeah. 162 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.639 And he made he talked. He said something about like 163 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:08.480 the being scaring him. He's like, yeah, that's why I 164 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:13.039 say stay strapped, yo. Yeah, you know, like, and I 165 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.799 was just could just tell like he had this experience 166 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.559 he was talking about like this is genuine. And the 167 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.440 one that really really solidified it for me was hearing 168 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.720 your little sister who was like nine or ten at 169 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.480 the time, and I have an eight and a nine 170 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.600 year old daughter, and hearing her it wasn't about the 171 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:31.799 orbs and all that stuff. What stuck out to her 172 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:33.519 as a ten year old girl or nine year old 173 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:38.639 girl was one day my dad was different. Yeah, I 174 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:42.200 had my dad before and we had this relationship and 175 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.159 I played the piano, and then all of a sudden, 176 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.200 it was like Dad was just staring out at the 177 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:49.559 sky all day and he was different and he was depressed, 178 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.759 and all this stuff started happening, and people started this 179 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:56.200 around us, started treating us different. Because she's little, she 180 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.399 doesn't get it right, she doesn't quite and that like 181 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.080 I could see my own daughter being like, that's how 182 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.240 she would process it too, if this happened to me, 183 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.080 and it was those kind of details that to me 184 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.159 are more I mean, I don't want to say more compelling. 185 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:11.799 You got to have receipts and all the other stuff 186 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.600 you've talked about, But I think it's the human element. 187 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.320 If you're open and you listen to you guys interact 188 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:19.440 and you realize these are just people like me, and 189 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.240 this is how I would talk about it, right, that's 190 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:23.200 for me. 191 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.639 Yeah, that's the real shit. Like people can hear about 192 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.120 like the receipts and who's been around and who's who's who. 193 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:32.879 You know, who they've talked to and who's shown up 194 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:36.279 and whatever. At the end of the day, that's just information. 195 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:40.480 It's just it's just data. It's just information. You hear 196 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.360 them talk about it, or you spend time around them, 197 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.879 or yet just hear them tell their story, it's there's 198 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:50.519 there's no doubt whatsoever. I mean also, like you know, 199 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.360 I've been around them for many, many years and I've 200 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.559 seen stuff myself, so it's but I don't obviously have 201 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.080 any problem believing, and I've seen it many many times. 202 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.679 But that's the other thing. When you hear like friends 203 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:06.039 like I've heard you and Ryan chum it up just 204 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:07.960 the same way me and my friends would chumme up 205 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.120 about like an old memory where everyone agrees what happened, 206 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.240 but they had slightly different perspectives or things that stoock out. 207 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:17.559 And then you know, like this is the same way 208 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.080 when I talked to my friends, like do you remember 209 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:21.399 when X, Y and Z happened? 210 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:21.559 No? 211 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:25.039 No, no, actually this happened before that, and this detail 212 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.759 stood out. I'm like, this is It's just it became 213 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.039 obvious to me over time, like oh my god, like 214 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.840 I believed because I was already into the subject. It 215 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.440 had an experience, but there's just this level where it's like, 216 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:35.679 oh my god, this is real. 217 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.320 Yeah, it like settles in. Yeah, and I think people 218 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.720 can connect and feel like when it's real. I mean 219 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:47.600 you're describing it right now. It's it's legitimate, like you know, 220 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.480 people can connect to the story and it's it is. 221 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.960 It's that's how you really know if something's legit. You 222 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:54.559 can feel it. 223 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:59.919 Yeah. You know, you reminded me of us growing up 224 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:01.759 when you said after you had your experience and you 225 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:03.559 were obsessed for four years and you were like listening 226 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:04.759 to every podcast you could find. 227 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:05.200 That was us. 228 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.720 That was us watching TV in two thousand and seven 229 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.840 being like, oh my god, we're watching UFO file. I 230 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.320 was trying to learn what we could learn, you know, 231 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:13.639 And that was just funny little parallel there. 232 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:18.480 Yeah, you've you've brought up Also, I always forget you've 233 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.080 said the story, like two or three times we talked 234 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:23.720 about on the phone. It was Fallout three you were 235 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.519 playing the first time NASA showed up. 236 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.320 Yeah. 237 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.039 Yeah, I was playing fall Out three and there was 238 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:31.279 a ring at the door and it was this guy 239 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.600 from NASA. Hal Pabomer, and he's just like, hey, you know, 240 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:40.679 I'm with the NASA Press Corps and I came from 241 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:45.559 Canaveral hoping to meet Chris Bledsoe is just Bledsoe residents. 242 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:47.919 I was like, yeah, me, called my dad, you know, 243 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.799 like honestly, like you know, mom, NASA's here, someone from 244 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:53.240 NASA's here, and we get him on the phone, and 245 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.320 then it was that's just like keeping busy. I'll be 246 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:55.879 there in an hour. 247 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:56.120 You know. 248 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.919 He was out on the town somewhere, and from then on, 249 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.720 government was just in our lives still, like literally still 250 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.759 to this day, like asking us questions, investigating, sometimes doing research, 251 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:13.480 sometimes doing scientific investigations, things like that. I mean it literally, 252 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:16.320 like I want to stress to your audience, like it 253 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:22.120 not only never ceased, but year over year it rent 254 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.399 up still to this day where now you can go 255 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.679 and look at the latest whistleblowers from the government and 256 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:34.879 their story sounds literally identical to ours. I mean, there's 257 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:39.320 elements of theirs that are different, but I mean, you know, 258 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:42.919 it's crazy, like it's it's kind of hard to deny 259 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.480 at this point that like you know, it's real, Like 260 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.039 I mean, of course I know that, but the people 261 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.519 looking at this, it's like you put two and two together, 262 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.879 It's like, oh my god, you know they're the government 263 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.879 story is literally just like theirs, Like how. 264 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.840 Else the story they've been telling for almost twenty years 265 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.840 now right at eighteen just we're just past like eighteen years. 266 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:05.759 Yeah. 267 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.279 Yeah, I've always had the feeling that if someone took 268 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.039 an honest look at the subject in general and looked 269 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:16.159 at all the different experiences, all the different sightings, the 270 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:19.000 just the sheer volume just in America, and then if 271 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:23.240 you dive into Brazil, South America, France, Russia, there's a 272 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:25.200 lot of good information that comes out of there, like 273 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:29.519 people have been having experiences that are unexplainable forever, and 274 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:34.639 that ties into from my understanding, this experience your family 275 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:39.960 had helped guide you guys to this direction of being. 276 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.720 I don't want to say focused on, but I would 277 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:47.600 classify your podcast as a spiritual podcast more than oh 278 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:52.200 for sure. Yeah, so it's like esoteric stuff. I remember 279 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.000 like getting really interested in the Rosa Crucian stuff when 280 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:57.679 you did a couple episodes on that, and then you 281 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.519 did an episode on theosophy, and I started reading about 282 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:04.799 theosophy and then like looking at books and like the 283 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.519 Keys of solom and like demons and angels, and it's 284 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.279 just cool. It's all really really cool. It's like Lord 285 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:12.480 of the Rings, but maybe it's true. 286 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:16.080 You know, say Lord of the Rings a lot lately. 287 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.440 It's true, dude, it's dope and ship. Yeah. 288 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.360 Definitely not a UFO show. Yes, even though our logos 289 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.120 are UFO. I'm wearing a UFO, we talk about UFOs. 290 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.960 We are not a UFO show. We are people that 291 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.480 genuinely have had thousands and thousands and thousands of UFO 292 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.840 experiences and we're like, all right, let's break this down. 293 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.240 You know, where does this come from? How can we 294 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.960 explain this from a different lens? You know, And we're 295 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.360 exploring all of these topics in the periphery of the 296 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:48.360 reality of UFO experiences, you know. So that's yeah, we 297 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:49.960 are kind of like a spiritual show. It's like a 298 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:53.000 metaphysical hot pot of all these different topics. And we 299 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:56.720 talk video games and you know, movies and all kinds 300 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:57.159 of stuff. 301 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:00.000 And yeah, because you start to kind of figure out 302 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.679 that there's a lot of overlap between like esoteric occult 303 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.279 mysticism like that that type of shit and pop culture. Yeah, 304 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.759 and oh my god, it's everywhere. It's everything in pop 305 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:19.639 ct everything, TV, movies, video games, like fiction, like everything, 306 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.519 everything is steeped in it. And then, like, you know, 307 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.159 towards the beginning of us doing the show, we were 308 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:28.399 doing a lot of that. That was like, that was 309 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:30.879 like ninety percent of the show first. Yeah, at first 310 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:36.559 it was mostly like relating the occult mysticism stuff to 311 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.919 pop culture, and we started to be like, oh my god, 312 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.159 it's endless. It's the it, it never ends the you know, 313 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:49.000 and uh, we started kind of exploring like why what's happening? 314 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:54.240 Like why is everything occult? Why is everything symbolic? 315 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:55.279 Is it intentional? 316 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:56.120 Right? 317 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:57.159 Is it subconscious? 318 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:57.240 So? 319 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.159 I mean we like to explore that kind of thing. 320 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.120 Yeah, that's one of the big things that we've been 321 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.680 kind of trying to figure out is is it is 322 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.319 it intentional? Are these people like initiated with this information 323 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:12.400 and they're trying to intentionally spread it to people for 324 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:19.599 good or otherwise, or are they receiving these like subconscious 325 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.799 downloads of this information and it's just leaking into their art. 326 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.559 I think there's examples of both, yeah. 327 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:31.920 For sure. And Aaronovsky is an example. 328 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:35.359 Of intentional a thousand percent or Kubrick. But then you 329 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:40.799 have what's his name, Hideakiano, the guy who made Evan Gelian. 330 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.839 I don't know his name, but yeah, like he says, like, no, 331 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:47.400 he says it was unintentional. 332 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:49.079 But then if you research him, he was in a 333 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:50.720 cult a spiritual. 334 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.759 He's like, I don't know nothing about none of that stuff, dude, 335 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.960 I just thought it looked cool. Yeah, it's yea, what 336 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.720 the fuck, Like, what are we talking about here? 337 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:03.240 It's bro anytime it Japanese creator uses like Christian biblical symbolism. 338 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.319 Yeah, there's researching, yes, yeah, you know it's intentional, it's 339 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:11.319 for sure. Yeah, and it's it's just cool. We we 340 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.279 love exploring that that overlap. 341 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:15.920 Yeah, and then eventually we hit a point where we like, 342 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:18.200 even though we still do some of the pop culture stuff, 343 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.799 we hit a point where we were like, let's explore 344 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:22.359 the source. 345 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.680 Yeah, yeah, you know, let's get more into the source first. 346 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.799 Yeah, let's dive into Rosicrucianism, you know. And it's like, 347 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:30.359 what you're just talking about, And we've we've done a 348 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.359 lot of that too, so it's it's really we just 349 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:32.839 have fun. 350 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:36.079 Yeah, I think that I think a little bit of 351 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.839 both when it comes to pop culture and art. 352 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:39.319 Uh. 353 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.759 The speaking of the Rosicution episode that inspired I have 354 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:47.119 a music project that you guys also, by the way, 355 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:50.000 you guys do twice born a band. We should plug that. Yes, sir, 356 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:54.559 you got a badass fucking metal band. Yeah good. If 357 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:58.279 you like heavy rifts, if you're. 358 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:03.079 Into really annoying heavy music, you probably like it. Uh, 359 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:04.519 we've been working lately too. 360 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.279 So it's pretty heavy. Like you guys stepped me. Yeah, 361 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:13.480 like we tone it down, Yeah, don't do that. 362 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:14.680 We don't go all the way. 363 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:16.119 No, we did try to tone it down. 364 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:19.160 Yeah, we got to reel it in sometimes. But yeah, 365 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:20.200 we have fun with it. 366 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.359 But yeah, that that Rosa Cuscian episode. I was starting 367 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.240 a new music project. It's all dark, electronic, and I 368 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.200 feel like a whole it was so inspiring. I just 369 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.480 basically I took that little bit and kind of built 370 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:40.319 a fake cult religion sort of loosely based around your guys. 371 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.440 Is you know what's crazy? I mean they did it 372 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:46.039 first and did it best in the huge. When we 373 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:47.880 started the project, I didn't know who they were, and 374 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.680 we put out our first single, Veylip One of the 375 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.119 first things we got back was like, you guys remind 376 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.960 me of sleep Token, and I'm like, who's this? And 377 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:57.960 then I discovered one of the greatest coolest bands of 378 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:58.480 all time. 379 00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.119 They're Dope. 380 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.720 They're They're Dope. My my niece, my brother is the 381 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.480 other guy in the group. My niece's daughter. She said, 382 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:09.039 he sounds like he sings incursive. 383 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.400 Yet on the Internet. 384 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.920 That's pretty cool. I think that's a good But anyway, 385 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.799 the point being is I'm not near as knowledgeable about 386 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.519 the occult as you are, and other people I just 387 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:23.839 pick up. I think it's fascinating, kind of like I 388 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.680 think Darth Vader's cool, but I don't want to act 389 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:28.480 like Darth Vader. But I want to look like Darth 390 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:30.359 Vader and be cool like Darth Vader. 391 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:33.440 So you get into that same boat. I'm in the 392 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.680 same boat as you. Like, Ryan is the info guy. 393 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:37.759 He's got all the info. He does all the deep 394 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:39.720 dive and all the info, and I'm just like, that's 395 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.599 sick as fun, dude, like that. That's my whole role 396 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:44.920 on the show is to just be like, that's cool. 397 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.200 I'm not even that knowledgeable in the occult. To be honest, 398 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:50.160 I just talk about things that interest me at the moment. 399 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.480 Yeah, I can't. I don't have No, you do have 400 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.799 a genuine like seeker personality and mindset where you you 401 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:01.359 actually really are compelled to dig and find this information, 402 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.640 like right now, You've always been that way, and then yeah, 403 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:07.440 you just talk about it. Yeah, and then I'm kind 404 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.119 of here to be like the bridge between that and 405 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:10.720 the audience. 406 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:13.839 You are a good like liaison between the listener who 407 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:17.200 maybe needs someone to ask a question because we don't follow. 408 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:17.920 Yeah. 409 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.279 Pretty good anyway, the point I don't even remember what 410 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.160 I was saying, but oh yeah, the people will sometimes respond, 411 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.640 and I'm extrapling to your question about how much of 412 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.200 pop culture and a cult is intentional versus seeping through. 413 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:35.759 And maybe it seeps through in a way where you 414 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.240 don't really know the details. You just kind of like something, 415 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.119 you're drawn to, something you think it's cool, and then 416 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:46.200 other people will tease out details that you never intended. 417 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.319 But in hindsight, you're like, those details are kind of there, 418 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.440 but it sort of happened. I didn't master plan this, 419 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.079 It just sort of worked out that way. Yeah, and 420 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:58.200 that might be the seeping thing, because I think some Yeah, 421 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.839 you know, I don't. I probably come across like there's 422 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.960 some sort of master plan about this brand or this 423 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.519 this music project. But really it's like I think this 424 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:09.960 is cool. I think what Ryan talked about is cool. 425 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:11.960 I think with this guy talked about its cool. I 426 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.200 kind of put him together, mix it with this imagery, 427 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:16.839 like as far as I'm thinking, is it cool? Right? Yeah? 428 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:18.240 Right, Oh, this is cool. 429 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:18.720 Yeah. 430 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.559 Yeah, that's kind of the that's kind of the way. 431 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:24.440 I mean, it's a way. It is a very effective way, 432 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.000 in my opinion, to do art in general, Like just 433 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:29.839 collect a bunch of shit that you think is cool 434 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:31.359 and put it together in a new way. 435 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:33.720 I'll give you an example of exactly what we're talking about. 436 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:38.359 How it's like not necessarily intentional, but coming from somewhere else. 437 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:38.839 Right. 438 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.799 Yeah, this morning, when I rolled out of bed, as 439 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:46.880 you know I do, I first wake up, I'm fuzzy, 440 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.119 and I'm like, let me look at my phone for 441 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:50.720 a few minutes. I'm not ready to get up, you 442 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:52.799 know how it goes. I'm not really a morning person. 443 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.480 So I'm looking at my phone this morning and I 444 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.680 told my wife. I was like, oh my god, this 445 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.039 is so crazy. There was another video game just announced 446 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.880 that is like a triple A title where you fight 447 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:07.400 King Arthur and the Knights. 448 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.119 Of Oh that shit looks sick. What was it called? Bro? 449 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:09.880 There's two of them. 450 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:10.839 There's two. 451 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:13.240 There's two games in the last week or two that 452 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:14.039 were just announced. 453 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.640 Oh, I'm not sure. 454 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.759 There's one of the one I know. It was just 455 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:19.759 now to the stated play like. 456 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:21.599 Yes, there was a Chinese one. That's the one I 457 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.880 just saw. And then there was another one I saw 458 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:27.359 last week that's exactly like Hades, but it's a four 459 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.599 player co op and instead of it being the Greek gods, 460 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:30.960 it's Arthur and the Roundtable. 461 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:33.799 You know, haes, I've been playing it lately. 462 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.519 So there's gonna be a King Arthur one that's four 463 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:39.880 player co op where you are fighting literally the Knights 464 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:40.559 of the Round Table. 465 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.400 Yeah, and that's not the one that's in third person, 466 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:43.759 is it? 467 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:44.119 No? 468 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:46.480 Then I saw the other the one I saw this morning. 469 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:48.519 I saw that or yesterday morning was the third person. 470 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:49.839 And I got out of bed and I was like, Ginny, 471 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.519 this is what I'm talking about. Tell me how this 472 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:55.440 is a subject that you rarely, if ever see in games, 473 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:58.799 And now in the last week, there's like two games 474 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.039 that are about King Arthur in the Holy Grail and 475 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.000 the Knights of the Round Table. There's some force somewhere 476 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.640 that's like, all right, turn the dial on this archetype. 477 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:09.519 You know, you always see it, you know what I'm saying. 478 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:11.000 It's true. 479 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:13.839 There does seem to be like trends in pop culture. 480 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.000 It it's like you have a wave of this subject 481 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.440 matter or this archetype or this theme, and then they 482 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.880 kind of ebb and flow and come in cycles. I 483 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:23.640 think you guys have been on this dude's show. He's 484 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.680 from salt Lake, the Isaac Weisap. 485 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:27.400 Oh yeah, Oh, he's the best. 486 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.640 He's salt Lake dude. He's been following this occultazing. 487 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:34.960 He's how I learned about this. He's my big inspiration, 488 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:36.799 one of them. I love Isaac. 489 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:38.440 Yeah, he's that's a good podcast. 490 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:41.440 If people are interested in that, we can definitely get 491 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.920 into more. He he just did one on the whatever 492 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.359 the most recent awards ceremony was. I can't remember. 493 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:50.160 He just did one on the super Bowl on the Yeah, 494 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.359 and he did one on the Grammy Suit. Yeah. Yeah, 495 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.480 I love his stuff. He's awesome, Yeah, awesome. 496 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:58.759 Now, if you if people were gonna, if I was gonna 497 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:00.880 recommend an episode for the podcast for us when to 498 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:02.839 check out, which one should they check out? What would 499 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.599 you recommend our show? Yeah? 500 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:08.160 I mean I would probably just say that's. 501 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.000 Tough, That is tough. I don't know, what do you think? 502 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.359 Maybe the recent one with dad, because I feel like, yeah, 503 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:17.119 And the reason I say that, honestly is because it's 504 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.119 relevant to what's going on in the world. But also 505 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:25.480 within that episode we talk about have you heard it yet? 506 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.319 Kid? Which one the recent one. 507 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:33.319 With my dad? Yeah, I would recommend that one because 508 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.680 in that episode, not only do we talk about our 509 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.680 experiences and how it relates to what's going on in 510 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.000 the world, but we also give a really big broad 511 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.240 overview of the phenomenon, meaning the UFO phenomenon, how it 512 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.559 has morphed throughout history, and how our experiences as a 513 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:51.359 family have ramped up over time to where at the 514 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.599 end of that episode, Nick literally even said, Wow, this 515 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.559 conversation felt like when I was a kid at your 516 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.079 house again and we would just talk about this stuff 517 00:25:59.079 --> 00:25:59.519 all night. 518 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.319 To really did like for a second, I was having 519 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:04.319 like deja vu. 520 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.440 I think that episode with the recent one with my 521 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:12.799 dad is probably like the most candid conversation that he's 522 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.559 ever given publicly. Not that our show is only about 523 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.519 my dad or only about talking about him. He's only 524 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.079 been on the show three times, but I think if 525 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.559 I had to give it first, it would be that one, 526 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.519 because it would be like a really quick crash course 527 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.599 on like who we are, what we're about, what's happening, 528 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:31.039 what's happening right now, right now, and what's been happening. 529 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:33.680 We even go back to the eighteen hundreds and how 530 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.720 like the phenomenon appeared as blimps and airships, and how 531 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.400 it's morphed over time, and now everybody's talking about orbs, 532 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.559 which started with us. 533 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.759 So I was thinking about the blimps in the airships thing, 534 00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:52.400 because speaking of pop culture and Japanese people pulling inspiration from, 535 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.640 I guess you would call phenomena or esoteric whatever the 536 00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.519 concept of the airship with like the blimp and the propellers. 537 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:01.640 I don't know the history of that, but I do know, 538 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.960 like you said, that when people experienced phenomena, they couldn't 539 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.039 understand that's what they would describe it as. They wouldn't 540 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.200 describe it as planes or UFOs or saucers. 541 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:09.880 It was ships. 542 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.599 It was ships with blimps and propellers. Yeah all. And 543 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.799 then if you like to play all these like Final 544 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:17.839 Fantasy games, what do all the airships look like? 545 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:21.279 They're literally all blimpsy the way glimps with propellers. Yes, 546 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.920 by the way, you'd be proud of me, kid, I'm 547 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.279 playing Final Fantasy seven for the first time right now. 548 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:26.720 You know what's cozy remake? 549 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:28.039 Og bro. 550 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.599 This is synchronistic to me right now because this morning, 551 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.599 I think the King Arthur thing that I was just 552 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.400 telling you about was yesterday morning. You know, I'm really 553 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.200 hazy in the morning, but I would tell you for 554 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.160 a fact, this morning I saw a reel. I've never 555 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.359 played Final Fantasy seven. I've never beaten the Final Fantasy game. 556 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.880 The only ones I've ever played are ten and fifteen, 557 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.319 and I never beat them, you know. But okay, so 558 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.200 I don't know much about seven other than Cloud and 559 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.319 Steph for Off. And this morning I saw reel and 560 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.920 I guess Seph for Off is like putting Cloud under 561 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.240 mind control, you know what I'm talking about. And there's 562 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.799 this girl on his team and she like flashes him 563 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:05.559 and it breaks him out. I was like, is this real? 564 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:07.119 He's real? 565 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.799 The flash part not but there's it's not real? 566 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.680 No, was it the girl with the bow in her hair? 567 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.119 Yeah? 568 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.200 And it is? Yeah, No, No, okay, I saw that real. 569 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.279 I was like, Wow, I didn't know this game was 570 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:19.599 like that. 571 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.759 That's not exactly how that moment happened in the game. 572 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.200 Wow, I told you they're making a joke. They're they're 573 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:26.000 clown in the game. 574 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.039 Well, what actually happened? 575 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:28.799 Then that's a big spoiler. 576 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.559 That's like one of the biggest spoilers of all games, 577 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.400 probably like the biggest well of all video games. 578 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.039 I'm never going to play it if you don't want 579 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.119 to spoil for your audience. Ioiler. 580 00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:45.640 She gets fucking stab, ude, she gets gets she gets skewer. Wow. Yeah, 581 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.000 I like the and his fucking twenty foot long sword. 582 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.920 He drops down from the sky and like one of 583 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.599 the most epic shots. I mean, if you played that 584 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.119 game when you were thirteen or whatever when it came out, 585 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:57.319 that was it would have. 586 00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:59.440 Been like I am your father kind of Oh it's 587 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:04.119 that like that and dude, and hey, very very mystical, 588 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.640 very esoteric. A lot of occult stuff in Final Fantasy 589 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.400 so much, but really packed into Final Fantasy seven big time. 590 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:16.480 Yea Erith is the character's name, and she is very 591 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.559 like she has like foresight kind of, she's like psychic. 592 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.359 She she has like low key like psychic abilities. 593 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.400 She's connected to Mother Earth essentially. 594 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:31.000 They describe it that way. And she's like she's like angelic. 595 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.279 I mean she's a is she one of the Uh, 596 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.319 she's an ancient. She's an ancient. 597 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:36.680 Yeah. 598 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.359 There are these beings called Ancients in Final Fantasy seven, 599 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.599 and they're like they're descendants of kind of like the 600 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.920 original Is it like the original humans or is it 601 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.599 a race that came before the humans that they descend that. 602 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.960 I'm not sure. I'm not like a full expert on 603 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.799 the the like the Deep Deep Final Deep. I know 604 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.039 that they were like ancient ancient beings. 605 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.279 And they have like they have like psychic abilities, and 606 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.119 they like radiate light, and they're they're like kind of 607 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:07.720 like gods. 608 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:08.720 Uh. 609 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.799 And so the Ancients are descendants of those. So she's 610 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.000 low key like kind of an angelic character. She's like 611 00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.839 very innocent. She kind of exudes like. 612 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.480 Kind of like kind of in a way, yeah, kind. 613 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.279 Of she's she's sort of, but it's I don't know, 614 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.240 it's it's different than that. She's very like pure hearted 615 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:34.519 and like divine, feminine energy for sure. And then fucking Zephyr. 616 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:38.559 Off bro oh, one of the greatest antagonists. I would say, 617 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.359 I'm learning, Yeah that he is. 618 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.519 Yeah, for sure, he's legendary. 619 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.480 The concept of that world. Yeah, I would be curious 620 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.279 to your thoughts on this, Ryan, because I know you 621 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.720 like the concept of the world is that the planet 622 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.039 has what's called the life stream. It's like it's the 623 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.000 life flood or maybe the blood or the soul of 624 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:01.440 the planet, but it's actually all souls are reincarnated and 625 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:03.720 the planet itself is a being, which is all stuff 626 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.359 your fucking dad has talked about. Yeah, this is really 627 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.200 you know, this game came out in ninety seven, ninety eight, 628 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.680 whatever it was. Yeah, the planet itself is. 629 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.960 But it's Japanese. Bro kind of stuff is not esoteric 630 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:16.279 in the. 631 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.240 East, it's it's normal shit normal. 632 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.559 Yeah, it's more normal. And actually a lot of esoteric 633 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.240 information comes from the East. 634 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.279 Oh yeah, the ancient, ancient, ancient shit. 635 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.599 Oh yeah, where it's like kind of common practice over there. 636 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.279 I mean, there are esoteric arts, I don't want to 637 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.240 be generalizing, but dude, it's more common there. 638 00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.319 Honestly, if nothing else, you should, uh maybe look into 639 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.000 playing the remake of Yeah, because it plays like Kingdom Hearts. 640 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.160 It plays like it's not turn based. It plays like 641 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:45.079 you played fifteen. 642 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:45.839 I loved fifteen. 643 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:47.559 Yeah, it was just so long on I just what 644 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:52.880 bro It's about like this low key like anti terrorist organization. 645 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.559 They're kind of like a terrorist organization, but like anti 646 00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.160 terrorist organization who they're like blowing up these big like 647 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.000 reactors and stuff that are siphoning the like soul energy 648 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.440 from the planet. It's called Maco or Maco Macoo something 649 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.640 like that. They're like sucking the soul out of the planet. 650 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:15.200 And so this group are they called Avalanche Avalanche Yeah. Yeah. 651 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.000 They go around and blowing ship up and to like 652 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.319 stop and bear. Ittt is one of the main characters. 653 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.559 He's always running around. We gotta save the planet, we 654 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.799 gotta save the planet. They're killing the planet like it's 655 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:30.160 it's awesome, it's it's sick. It is so iconic. Yeah, 656 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.160 I've been really loving it. I wanted to play the 657 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:37.519 OG before I earn the the remake, but that's also 658 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.960 because I've just kind of been on like a retro 659 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.839 gaming kick. I just beat Krono Trigger for the first time, 660 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:44.960 and I was like, I need more. 661 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.240 Welcome to the other side of what JRPGs. Ever, dude, 662 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.160 it's a bittersweet feeling. You will never I told you, 663 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.720 I'm jealous that you got to play it for the 664 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.359 first time. You'll never have that experience again. 665 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.000 Yeah, and then. 666 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.839 Play it, but it will never be the same, and. 667 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.400 There will probably never be another Chrono game ever. 668 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.160 Sadly probably not. I mean they might try to siphon, 669 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.279 it will never happen. They'll never recapture the magic because 670 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.960 that game was just weird coalescence of three of the 671 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.200 biggest creators in Japan. 672 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:18.759 That wasn't it made by a curator? 673 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:19.799 He did? 674 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.400 Oh just the thought the. 675 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.039 Art direction, but it was. 676 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.599 And then you have yes, Sokka Gucci, Final Fantasy and 677 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.359 then the Dragon Quest guy I always forget. 678 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.920 Also art by a territory. Yes, also my goat my hero. 679 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:39.240 Did did you know the factoid cad that, uh, Crono 680 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.160 Trigger and Final Fantasy seven were originally the same game? 681 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.920 I did not know that, dude. Okay, yeah, this is 682 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.440 pretty crazy. I have I have. My boss is like 683 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:51.920 he's got to be one of the biggest Final Fantasy 684 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.200 fans of all time. He's one of these people who 685 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.319 his mind is like a steel trap and he knows 686 00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.240 all the information about this and like you and go 687 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.400 and look it up and it's all legit. They started 688 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.960 as one game, Crono Trigger, and that's why, like there's 689 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.920 a lot of similarities if you kind of think about it, 690 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.599 like there's there's a lot of similarities between the two. 691 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.039 But they kind of branched off into Okay, they had 692 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:19.239 these time travel elements, and then they also had this 693 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.800 like the whole Maco and the like energy of the 694 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.000 planet thing, and it was all one thing. And then 695 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.199 they were like, all right, well let's maybe split this 696 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.199 into two different teams. So we'll do we'll do a 697 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.920 time travel game and then we'll do like a spiritual 698 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:37.079 anti terrorist game and uh yeah and and so yeah. 699 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.719 But they were originally the same game. 700 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.199 You know, I love game I'm sorry, I don't know, 701 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:42.760 I just cut you off, but I wanted to say 702 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.760 I love games that have like a time mechanic, like 703 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.760 Madora's Mask and dude, the new game that was just 704 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.760 announced the Vampire one that we were talking about a 705 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.599 few weeks ago, that that's like from the extevs of 706 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:55.400 CD Project re. 707 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.599 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forget oh yes, and the 708 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.400 days it's called Dawn Walker. 709 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.360 Yes, yes, but dude, you you have thirty days? Yeah, Like, 710 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.800 no run will ever be the same because once you 711 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.440 start the game, you have thirty days, and every little 712 00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.559 choice you make will avalanche into all these other choices, 713 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.239 and then at the end of the thirty days, it's over, 714 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.079 you know, And I love stuff like that's so cool, 715 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:20.639 you know, very cool. 716 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.599 I can't you brought up Majora's mask. I can't think 717 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.119 of another game. I mean, I know there's more games 718 00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.239 that have that set timeline. A lot of persona games 719 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:33.360 are like that, which are also so esoteric. It's all 720 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:37.000 about I wouldn't say it's like the Lesser Key of 721 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:41.960 Solomon Demons. It's basically like a Japanese twist to like 722 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.639 Western demonology. But they created their own thing. 723 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.719 But they always do it better than we do. 724 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:50.000 It's always cool. 725 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:54.039 It's always it is always cool. 726 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.920 You like, go to school and you have like basically 727 00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.880 the game. Most of them take place over like one 728 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.360 school year and by the time the school years over, 729 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:04.400 like the game ends, and however prepared you are and whatever, 730 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.159 it's over. Yeah, it's a cool mechanic. When got you 731 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.599 said you're thirty one? He old, are you nick thirty? 732 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.840 I'll be thirty one and babies? Okay, so you were 733 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:14.719 like ninety five? 734 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.920 Yo? You do you look like you're thirty. 735 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:20.239 I'm trying. 736 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.119 It's all that. 737 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:22.960 It's the game. It's the game. 738 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:23.239 Game. 739 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.480 It's also I have a I have a CRT filter 740 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:29.760 on my obs. It hides the blemishes old school CR 741 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.480 two I've been playing. 742 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.559 I played Prono Trigger with a CRT filter, and I've 743 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.480 been playing a Final Fantasy with one as well. 744 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.079 Yeah, that's the way to do it if you're going 745 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:39.280 to play a retro one. 746 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:40.119 I learned from you. 747 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.119 Uh did you get that retro crisis filter? 748 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:43.760 I did? 749 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.320 Yeah, dude, he's shout out to retro cris. 750 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.480 I am a huge fan of your content, dude, he 751 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.159 really is, I really am. 752 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.000 He really has watched your show, like even before you 753 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:53.719 reached out. 754 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:54.519 Yeah. 755 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.039 Sweet, well, I'm glad I had an in because it's 756 00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.519 like I should tell the audience. I've been chasing these 757 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:01.679 guys for almost two years. 758 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.719 And I've been watching your content for probably that long. 759 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.039 Yeah, this is why we had to do it this way. Man. 760 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.199 It's just we we really do like we're in over 761 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:11.559 our heads with our schedule, and you know what, it 762 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.320 just it struck me. I was like, you know what, 763 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.440 why don't we just do a swapcast so we can 764 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.320 but we can be on each other's shows, you know, 765 00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.960 and just save time one yeah, save time and actually 766 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:22.800 do it. Yeah. So that's my bad on the two 767 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:23.280 year thing. 768 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.400 But it worked out because your family's story, because people 769 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.280 are gonna check it out, and it's like at a 770 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.039 different place of legitimacy now than it was two years. 771 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.119 Ago, even in the last thirty days. 772 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:40.440 Yeah, I mean it's it's it's crazy, dude. It's it's 773 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.559 like hard to wrap your mind around, at least for 774 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.639 me being obsessed with the topic since twenty seventeen and 775 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.559 then now. I never thought we'd be where we're at. 776 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.320 I thought it was just gonna be like my whole life. 777 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.199 It's kind of this fringe thing and we get little 778 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.159 pieces here and there. Yeah, it's and I think, what's 779 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.280 gonna happen next in the topic. So this is my 780 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:06.079 sort of bird's eye view. The first thing we had 781 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.039 to accept was that the phenomena is real. It's not 782 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.559 just swamp gas and lins flares in Boca. Right. That's 783 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.400 we got past that. I think pretty much everybody excepts Okay, 784 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.920 there's shit in the sky, the shit in the ocean. 785 00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:20.719 The next step is for people to accept that at 786 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.159 least some of it's not us, it's not conventional. And 787 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.000 once that happens, I think, once like we get a 788 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.719 critical threshold of people who realize that, Okay, not only 789 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.519 is there shit in the sky, but it's not just 790 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.519 Russian and Chinese spy shit. I guess what people say, 791 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:37.800 it's just technology, it's us. They don't want to be 792 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.480 open to like, maybe there's something more. Admit that there's 793 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.559 something more. But the moment it dawns on you that know, 794 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.360 there's stuff out there that's not us, that's not conventional, 795 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.239 you're gonna have to start where a you're going to 796 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:54.079 go next. You're going to start listening to experiencers. Oh, yes, 797 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.840 that's the next place to go. And I think people 798 00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.440 like your dad, I think the profile, I think he's 799 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:03.039 on the cusp and him and other prominent experiencers. Because 800 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.400 once people accept like, oh my god, it's not us. 801 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:08.599 Where are they going to go get? Oh? I got 802 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.000 to listen to the people who have like had fucking contact. Yeah, Like, 803 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.800 that's how I'm going to learn more. And so I 804 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.239 I think you guys are going I think in the 805 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:19.880 next year it's it's going to be like Stratus for 806 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.960 your time for growth, you mean for us, just for 807 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.599 the for the subject in general, because of that by 808 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:28.760 you as extent. 809 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:33.519 Yes, well it's happening now. To be honest, it's already unfolding. 810 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.199 And I completely agree. But I'll tell you where we 811 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.119 go next. The reality that people have to learn to 812 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.840 accept is not just that this is real and that 813 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.199 it's not us and that it's something else out there. 814 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.119 But here's the genuine, true reality of what this phenomenon 815 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.599 is and the way that people need to learn to 816 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.840 understand it is that it is a type of phenomenon 817 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.639 that whether you you know that it exists or not, 818 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.280 it is aware of you and your thoughts. It is spiritual. 819 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.280 You know, I'm not saying it's particularly this or that 820 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.000 or the other, but that it comes from another dimension. 821 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:21.199 They transcend uh our understanding of material reality. You know 822 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.440 that they live in another place that maybe is a 823 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.440 mental place, maybe it's a spiritual place, an etheric place, 824 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.119 and that they communicate through telepathy to read the thought 825 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.360 of you know, individuals on the planet who don't even 826 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.880 know that telepathy is real. Which, by the way, that 827 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:41.320 door has been cracked open with the telepathy tapes. Yeah, 828 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:46.480 yet I'm on episode four now. It's insane. It's insane. 829 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.639 It's like, have you been listening? 830 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:49.519 Yeah? First two? 831 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.480 Yeah, dude, it only gets crazier each day. 832 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:54.559 It's freaking insane. 833 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:56.880 I was always kind of bullish on like I there's 834 00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.960 got to be some sort of I just thought I 835 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.880 was open to the idea. But not only are the 836 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.679 telepathy tapes, but in the UF World WARLD, like the 837 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:08.239 Jesse Michaels, the Julian Dorry, Danny Jones, like these type 838 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.960 of guests that are coming on. They're talking, the whistleblowers 839 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:17.159 are saying the government is looking for they call them 840 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.880 psionic assets. They don't use telepathy or psychic right, because 841 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.119 that's well. 842 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.559 They have to use neurolinguistic programming and to make you 843 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.039 think a certain way and look over here. I, on 844 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.119 the other hand, you know, it's smoking mirrors. 845 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.119 But they you know, this term psionic assets has now 846 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.920 been coming out and that it's real, and the government 847 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:41.039 has been recruiting people forever like it's so. I just 848 00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:44.119 I think it's all coalescing, and I think people are realizing, 849 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.639 just as you said, Oh my god, material reality is 850 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.119 only a piece of the puzzle. 851 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.599 These beings fully transcend material reality, and they do read thoughts, 852 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.639 and they're aware of your thoughts and your intentions. And 853 00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.719 that's what people need to learn to accept if they 854 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.280 want to understand this phenomenon. If you think of it 855 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.480 as something that just inhabits a physical ship and it 856 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.239 comes from another you know, physical place, I'm sorry, but 857 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.840 you know, you're you know, that's that's not the reality 858 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.039 of the situation. Maybe those kinds of things do exist somewhere, 859 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:19.440 but I can tell you with like provable certainty that 860 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.920 that is not what is happening now that we are 861 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.079 aware of. Not only have I experienced this phenomenon many 862 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.639 thousands of times, far away, sometimes up close, but many 863 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.599 thousands of times. You know, it appears, Nick has seen it, 864 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.480 Alex has seen it ground level, sky level, whatever, in 865 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.880 the house, out the house. Not only have I seen 866 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.199 the dimensionality of this phenomenon so many times. But also 867 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.159 I have been point blank told by literal like high 868 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.440 level operatives of the CIA, like as high as it 869 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.840 gets like two or three in command of the whole 870 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.440 freaking agency kind of people tell me, like, it's dimensional. 871 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:55.719 You know ninety five percent of this stuff out there 872 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.480 is fake. And you know, keep telling your story like 873 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:00.960 you know, we've we've been studying you the whole time, 874 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.559 like every intelligence agency in the world of studying your family. 875 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:05.039 We know you're telling the truth. We want to know 876 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.800 why the being's interacted. That kind of conversation has been 877 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:11.639 happening for nearly two decades now. Not only that, but 878 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:15.079 now the conversation even yesterday there was some congressman or 879 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:18.239 some some I don't remember her name, like Luna or something, 880 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.159 comes out and has this big press release. She's like, 881 00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.719 it's dimensional, it's dimensional. They're all saying, now, it's dimensional, 882 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:27.079 it's dimensional. It's going in the way that we have 883 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.119 been shouting publicly for like twelve years. Hey, this is 884 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.000 where it's headed. You see what I'm saying, Like it's dimensional. 885 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.239 They transcend material reality, it's spiritual. 886 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:42.480 I and I think if people are there's there's maybe 887 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:46.360 some baggage depending on your upbringing to the word spiritual. Sure, 888 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.599 I would. That's why I use the word. It's just 889 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.320 it's non conventional. It's kind of like a neutral word, like, hey, 890 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.400 just accept that there's more to what you think reality 891 00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.880 is and you've been taught and just I think if 892 00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:03.039 you crack that open and just accept, like okay. And 893 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.480 the reason I think that is I grew up. I know, 894 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.559 Ryanie said, you want to talk about this a little bit, but. 895 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:08.800 Only what you're willing to do. 896 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.320 Yeah. Yeah, So I grew up Mormon, and you're like 897 00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.960 in this bubble. Basically, I was grew up in Utah. 898 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.039 Long story show. I didn't know anyone who wasn't Mormon 899 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:17.760 until I went and did the whole mission thing and 900 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.480 where the name tag and all that shit. But once 901 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:24.599 the door opens and you think like, oh shit, maybe 902 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.599 I'm in a cult or maybe this isn't what it 903 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:31.320 claims it, once you open it and start looking into it, 904 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.000 it's like, actually pretty easy, and it's you figure it 905 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.480 out pretty quick. I feel like the phenomena is the 906 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.639 same way we have fifty seventy eighty years of programming 907 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.519 as a culture, especially in America, to discredit and you're 908 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.760 a wacko and you're a whack job. And imagine all 909 00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.079 the poor people like your dad and your family and 910 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.599 experiencers who have been gas lit to hell and back. 911 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:56.480 And the truth is, most reporters, most most experiences are 912 00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:00.079 unreported because there is no benefit to talking about your 913 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.639 for most people, you just get shunned. And there's such 914 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.000 a high social cost. So there's so many cases already. 915 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.360 And I bet that's like ten percent of the experiences. 916 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.440 Every day, every day a human being on planet Earth 917 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.119 is having some sort of mystical, unexplainable experience every day. 918 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.840 Yeah, it's happening non stop. Yes, yeah. 919 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.280 And to be clear, like we're not the only people 920 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.559 that have, you know, paranormal type of experiences. I just 921 00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:30.159 think that it it hap. I think like my honest 922 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.960 take here this is just me being candid, My honest 923 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.039 take is that these beings new for whatever reason, like 924 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.960 these are good people. To really shake them up and 925 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:42.199 like give them a story to tell, because they're resilient 926 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.320 people and they won't back down and they'll go all 927 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.360 the way until the job is done. I think that 928 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.480 the reality is there are not a lot of people 929 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.800 out there who are as tight knit as my siblings 930 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.480 and I and my mind, you know, like and and 931 00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.920 our family like it nearly broke apart many, many, many 932 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.079 times over this, but for some reason it never fully did, 933 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.719 and we always bounced back. And every year the experiences 934 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.639 have ramped up in intensity, and I think it's like 935 00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:10.760 whatever reason this played out for us was in a 936 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.800 way so that we would just kind of have you know, 937 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:19.039 data proof evidence, all this corroboration and all this stuff, 938 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.320 so that we could just kind of help people see 939 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.519 the bigger picture, you know what I mean. 940 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.960 Yeah, I think that family dynamic is back to what 941 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.199 I was saying at the beginning. So I didn't bring 942 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:29.880 that up. But not only is hearing you and your 943 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:35.280 siblings talk, but hearing each of your dad, you, Chris, Emily, 944 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:40.559 even Nick talk about different challenges you guys have the 945 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:44.480 five dark years you've talked about, and it's no you 946 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.400 guys have always been very uh what's the word gracious 947 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:52.880 or refined about implying that, yes, family relationships, I think 948 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.800 it's pretty heavily implied that your mom and dad had 949 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.960 some pretty like strong resistance over the experience, and so 950 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.280 it's like this is not some made up story, Like 951 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.880 this is real people dealing with real shit, and you 952 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.320 get all the good into bad. And I think the 953 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.679 more time you either read the book or watch podcasts 954 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.360 or listen to your podcast, I think it becomes a 955 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.000 parent that that your story is genuine. And then if 956 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.159 you accept that, okay, this one person's story is genuine, well, 957 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.239 then maybe someone else has also had an experience, right, 958 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.559 And then all of a sudden you just start realizing 959 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.719 like yeah, like you said, oh my god, there is 960 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.199 more to reality, and it's happening all the time. Yeah, 961 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:33.760 all the time. 962 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:39.760 Since yeah, really, there's scrolls and manuscripts from all over 963 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.679 the world of like seeing beings and things like that, 964 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:43.559 like this isn't new. 965 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:48.000 That's when you start to put together the pieces that 966 00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.079 it is a spiritual thing and it transcends like religion 967 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:56.119 and that you know that stuff is it's because you 968 00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:00.159 find things in every ancient religion or you know, know 969 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.119 mystery tradition even before there were religions. You know, uh, 970 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:09.880 there's overlap, there's aspects of this phenomenon in every single 971 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.480 one of those ancient uh mystery traditions, and you're like 972 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.199 wait a minute, what what is going on? I mean, 973 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:18.719 all of them that you can think of. An easy 974 00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:24.480 example is Buddhism. They describe the Buddhas the like ascended beings, 975 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.360 the devas as well. Yeah, they're like these little angelic 976 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.760 light beings that fly around in the sky. It's like, 977 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.679 what does that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's tons of them, 978 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.840 and that points you to the oh ship, that's that's 979 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.360 we're talking about the same ship. 980 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.760 I think the problem that people have is like the 981 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.880 attachment to a certain religion, which is cultural for sure, 982 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.679 and I think that people can't grasp I mean generally, 983 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.559 like people have a hard time grasping that this is 984 00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.519 a phenomenon that is very symbolic, because things that are 985 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:05.440 spiritual are symbolic more so than they are literal. And 986 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.280 that'll make sense to people who really know what I'm 987 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.079 talking about. But this is a thing that transcends language 988 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:16.360 even and you know where someone says God and then 989 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.800 someone says Brahma, and then someone says Allah, and then 990 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:23.800 someone says yahweh. All these people are offended each other. No, no, no, 991 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.920 that's not right. Well, I mean, if you think about it, 992 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.599 it's just different people from around the world trying to 993 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.519 explain the divine in the terminology and cultural lens that 994 00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.440 they have. But what if it really did What if 995 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.119 it wasn't God only showed up to the Israelites and 996 00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.440 they are the chosen people, But what if it's really like, 997 00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.599 you know, God is truly for everybody. And for thousands 998 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:48.599 of years, people everywhere have been trying to explain this 999 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.039 phenomenon that's been going on. Maybe the Israelites and all 1000 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.320 the stories in the Bible were very real, some of 1001 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.239 these stories, and they had a great story, and over 1002 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.679 time it's just been so conflated to be like, you know, 1003 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:04.159 now we're killing each other, and millions and millions and 1004 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:09.159 millions of people have been killed over imaginations of God 1005 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.519 that come from different cultural understandings, you know what I'm saying. 1006 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:14.239 But maybe it trends. And I'm not saying like the 1007 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.199 Bible's fake or this is fake, or I'm not saying 1008 00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.039 that at all. I'm saying the opposite, that maybe there's 1009 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.519 truth to all of it, all of it, or at 1010 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:22.239 least some of it. 1011 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.000 I mean there's a flood myth in like every culture 1012 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.440 around the Yeah, yeah, so I mean there's probably some 1013 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.519 big ass floods that happened. Was it literally the entire 1014 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.960 earth and too of each channel of No, obviously, like 1015 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.159 let's be real, but there was a flood. Yeah, there's 1016 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.440 also the probably multiple floods. Oh yeah. 1017 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:44.079 There's also like I think a dozen or more different 1018 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.079 religions or mystery traditions that describe beings that are almost 1019 00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.840 exactly like Jesus Christ in every way, down down to 1020 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.719 like the birthday, down to being a carpenter, down to 1021 00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.159 barn of a virgin, like like almost every single detail 1022 00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:03.920 across so many different yes, the death and rebirth across 1023 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.800 so many different cultures, like down to the birthday, the 1024 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.599 winter solstice, you know, like like almost every detail of 1025 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:17.480 Jesus and his life is down to like ages and locations. 1026 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.400 It's like it's the same thing detailed across different eras, 1027 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:27.519 different ages, different cultures, different religions. I think maybe part 1028 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:32.360 of the folly is when we want to take everything literally. Yes, 1029 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.480 we want desperately to have a road map, like tell 1030 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.320 me exactly what I need to do, tell me exactly 1031 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.159 what I need to do so that I can't fuck 1032 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.800 it up. But it's like, well you're already, like that's 1033 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.880 part of the folly is thinking you have to do 1034 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:53.639 it in exact specific way because there is no exact 1035 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.559 spec there's no list of rules and specific you know, 1036 00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.719 say this hail Mary or you know, uh, you know, 1037 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.920 pray and bow towards this direction every day, or there's 1038 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.159 no specific ship like that. It's it's it's a. 1039 00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.800 It's it's more of a like a personal connection. 1040 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.920 Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's I think the folly is when 1041 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.440 we we want to we want to do it literally, yes, 1042 00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:21.639 and if you follow it literally most texts say don't 1043 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.440 believe the other ones. Yeah, you know what I mean, 1044 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:28.119 kill bullshit. Yeah, so yeah. 1045 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.679 Yeah, if you look into like the mystery traditions, and 1046 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:33.159 you know, we do go into a lot of that 1047 00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:34.440 kind of stuff on our show, Like we have a 1048 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.920 whole wisdom tradition series, which I've actually been thinking the 1049 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.559 next one would either be Rudolph Steiner or resocructionism whenever 1050 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:42.239 we get to the time where we'll do one. 1051 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:42.599 Nice. 1052 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.679 But yeah, the more you dive into these kinds of 1053 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.960 things and read these kinds of texts and learn about 1054 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:54.280 this body of knowledge, it's pretty clear. It's pretty evident 1055 00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:59.639 that things that are concerning spiritual mysteries. Uh, the spiritual 1056 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:05.079 reality are symbolic. That doesn't mean not true. That doesn't 1057 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:09.880 mean not real. It means that the comprehension of such 1058 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.159 things transcend the literal. 1059 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:15.960 It's beyond us. 1060 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.360 We can't comprehend, beyond fathom. So therefore the only way 1061 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.800 we can fathom is through symbol abstract representation. Yes, like 1062 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:29.559 an artistic depiction, you know, through fiction, through through that medium. Uh, 1063 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:31.239 you know it's it's. 1064 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.800 Real, true shit, but like not down to every little 1065 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.079 nitty gritty detail. It's like when you look that closely 1066 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.480 through a microscope, it's like, dude, you're losing the point. 1067 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.719 You've missed the point. Now you're looking too closely into it. 1068 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:45.480 You can't see the whole forest because you're looking at 1069 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:46.800 the one tree. 1070 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.639 Vibes, Is there a game either one of you have 1071 00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:56.400 played that tackles these religious subjects in a way that 1072 00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:00.440 really stood out to you? You're like, Okay, maybe the 1073 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.719 creators at this game are on my same level or 1074 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.559 on a similar to wavelength. Anything that stands out to you, 1075 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.519 Because I know you both talked about it. I've heard 1076 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.280 you talk about it on your show. I know you 1077 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:12.159 brought up Kingdom Hearts and sell the You know, is 1078 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.440 there anything where you're like, Okay, this is some this 1079 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.000 is some real shit in terms of the stuff I'm 1080 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:23.800 interested in. You know, someone's tapping into a similar vein here, oh. 1081 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.239 One thousand percent, and I feel like it's I don't 1082 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.480 I don't know that any one game just kind of 1083 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.960 like covers it all. I think. I think what it 1084 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.840 is is I I can think of a bunch of 1085 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:39.679 different examples of games that hone in on one either 1086 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:45.800 one aspect or one specific like mystery tradition. Like when 1087 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.440 I think Kingdom Hearts, I think gnosticism. It's it's like 1088 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:56.400 a lot of the details are almost directly pulled from gnosticism. 1089 00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:00.840 This whole, like the Kingdom Hearts being the collective consciousness 1090 00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:08.239 of all sentient beings, the the idea of going within yourself, 1091 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.559 your heart to access uh and converse with your higher 1092 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:19.760 self in order to awaken. It's like, oh my God, 1093 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.079 like all the light and dark absolutely. 1094 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.400 You know they even have like on Kingdom Hearts three, 1095 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.559 there's like these I haven't finished the game, but to 1096 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.760 see godlike guys and they're like playing chess and it's 1097 00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.360 the sackerboard symbolism, which was you know, templar knights. They 1098 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.119 were Gnostics and very very esoteric. 1099 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.039 Yeah, there's there's tons. 1100 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.039 They're like thirteen people in the order nobody. 1101 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:44.039 Thirteen people in organization thirteen. 1102 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.159 Yeah, organization thirteen yeah, yeah yeah, and which is a 1103 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:46.760 templar thing. 1104 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:51.280 Yeah, and there's seven It's it's like thirteen darknesses and 1105 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:55.840 seven lights. And there's this ancient prophecy of their their 1106 00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:00.840 endless struggle but their eventual clash where light will win 1107 00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:06.360 against all odds, and like, it's there's so much that 1108 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:11.280 feels like it's directly ripped from gnosticism that I mean, dude, 1109 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.159 there's a there's a freaking One of the games is 1110 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:18.480 dream Drop Distance is like they literally have to go 1111 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:24.679 unconscious and dive into their subconscious, oh dude, and and yes, 1112 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:29.000 and like move through their memories and stuff in order 1113 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.719 to like reach a heightened like their higher self. In 1114 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:36.199 order to access and become their higher self in the 1115 00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:41.760 waking world, they have to dive, literally dive into their subconscious. 1116 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.599 It is mystical as shit, and it yeah, just reminds 1117 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:48.960 me a lot of gnosticism. 1118 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.679 Yeah, yeah, it's hard for me to say, like specifically 1119 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.840 to your question, is there one game where I feel like, wow, 1120 00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:58.079 this is like so on my level. There's so many, 1121 00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.199 but one game that I did want to talk about 1122 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.320 that I thought was really cool. And you know, I 1123 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:07.119 do think there is a lot of like Japanese developers 1124 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.760 or artists seeing Western esoteric concepts and be like this 1125 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:11.440 is really cool. 1126 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:12.280 For sure, I don't. 1127 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.559 I don't know that they're I mean maybe Kingdom Hearts 1128 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:16.480 is one thing, but I don't know that they're always 1129 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:20.400 trying to, like, you know, teach you a message. And anime, 1130 00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.000 for sure, I think I think anime is a different 1131 00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:26.599 We could do a whole episode on, you know, on 1132 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.960 anime and the esoteric themes in it. But Devil May Cry, 1133 00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:34.320 I think it's I. 1134 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:35.679 Was playing that today. 1135 00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.280 What Yeah, Cry five? 1136 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.519 Now I downloaded five like two days ago. I'm doing 1137 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:42.519 a Devil May Cry video. 1138 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.280 So see, I. 1139 00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.320 Didn't know that that's crazy synchronicity. Yeah, I don't want 1140 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:48.480 to spoil it for you if you haven't. 1141 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:51.280 No, no, I've already played it all for sure. 1142 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:52.280 This is a pro. 1143 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:53.559 Do you do playthroughs? 1144 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:54.360 No? 1145 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.079 I do either, like how to take old games and 1146 00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:01.360 kind of get them running better. On modern hardware, or 1147 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.440 I do some like I'm doing a Beauty of series 1148 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.239 where I take a camera hack for a game. You 1149 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.760 can detach the camera and then I just get like 1150 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.159 cinematic shots of the different environments. Cool, and then I 1151 00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.239 edit them together to music I love. 1152 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.480 I love those. That's really cool. Oh, it's I'm definitely 1153 00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:20.880 gonna like start peeping your content. 1154 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.000 But Devil May Cry five is uh, it's the r 1155 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.920 E engine and I don't want to stand there's a 1156 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.119 there's a I wouldn't say it's Final Fantasy seven level twist, 1157 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.280 but there's a huge twist to that game. Are you 1158 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.280 playing it right now? Like I already beat it? Okay, 1159 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:36.440 I think we can talk about it. 1160 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.679 But absolutely well, last year, I don't know if you've 1161 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:40.519 seen this episode, but last year we had the voice 1162 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:42.480 of Dante on our show, Ruben Langdon. 1163 00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:44.119 I don't even know that. I fucking missed it. 1164 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.639 So he's a very cool guy and he was so nice. Yeah, 1165 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.519 and he's a friend of mine and he's really into 1166 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:51.639 the UFO stuff, and I think he reached out to 1167 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:53.599 me or or I was introduced to him and I 1168 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.639 was like, dude, you gotta come on the show. So 1169 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:57.599 I got Double May Cry five. I played it. I 1170 00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.719 beat it in like two days or something. I was, 1171 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:02.599 and yeah, if you don't mind me talking about the 1172 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.000 spoiler ahead, the thing about that game that I thought 1173 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.519 was really cool was that there was this emergence of 1174 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.360 the Kleefoth or It's like Kabbala symbolism, right, and like 1175 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:19.199 long story short, he ascends and becomes this like I guess, 1176 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:20.880 I mean, he's like a demon, but he's kind of 1177 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.360 like an angel, you know, when he like transforms his brother. 1178 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:28.679 And then this other kid I can't remember his name 1179 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:32.599 because I played the Game of the Year. It's not Virgil. Yeah, no, 1180 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.679 not the Emo kids true Nero. 1181 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.800 Nero, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Nero. Correct, Yeah, Nero. That's 1182 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.480 the other that's like Dante's nephew, I think. 1183 00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.920 Yeah, something like that, her cousin, and he like awakens 1184 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:46.840 and has his moment. But long story short, they go 1185 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:51.400 to the top of the Kleafath tree, Nero awakens, he 1186 00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:53.719 becomes this like god like being and then they fight 1187 00:59:53.960 --> 01:00:00.239 Virgil whatever, and then I can't remember exactly like who 1188 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:04.320 beat who? I think it was, Like long story short, 1189 01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:06.639 they go all the way down into Hell. At the 1190 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:09.360 bottom of the cleaf off tree where you fight his 1191 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:13.360 brother Virgil in his fully awakened state, and then it's like, 1192 01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.360 actually they got to the top when they went all 1193 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.840 the way down to the bottom and then all the 1194 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:22.400 way back up, which is like Dante's Inferno or the 1195 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.440 Divine Comedy or as above so below. So like long 1196 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:27.599 story short, I thought that was really cool, like an 1197 01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.719 artistic choice where the whole game you're trying to climb 1198 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.679 the tree, and then you climb the tree and we're like, oh, 1199 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.320 actually I have to go all the way down to 1200 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.679 the bottom of Hell to really be at the top 1201 01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:43.599 of the tree. Yes, and therefore you know you've escaped 1202 01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.159 Hell and then you go back to the top. So 1203 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:47.119 it's like that's really paraphrasing it because it's been over 1204 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:49.360 a years since I played it, but the symbolism was 1205 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:50.280 very cabbalas. 1206 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.880 Yeah, it's literally the Kabala tree of life. 1207 01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.840 Yeah, but it's Kleefoth, which is like it's like an 1208 01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.639 emergence of evil energy and Kabbala, you know. And I 1209 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.960 thought that is really cool. How literally at the end 1210 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:03.239 of the game, you get all the way to the 1211 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.519 top and it's like, actually you're at the bottom. Yeah, yeah, 1212 01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.360 you know, and you spend ten hours fighting up the 1213 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:10.320 tree and then you go all the way to the 1214 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.000 bottom final boss, and then it's like whoa. It's literally 1215 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.119 like Dante's Inferno where they go all the way to 1216 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:19.159 the depths of Hell to find It's a metaphor. In 1217 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:20.960 other words, let me back up, so I'm not going 1218 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.280 in circles. I think the metaphor here, or the esoteric 1219 01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:28.840 wisdom is that like, in order to awaken or to 1220 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:33.199 you know, become enlightened, you have to go through the 1221 01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:35.840 depths of Hell and make it on the other side. 1222 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.800 But in other terms, it's like you have to dive 1223 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.199 into your subconscious. You have to face your trauma, your 1224 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:43.519 inner demons. You have to transmute them to not be 1225 01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:51.159 traumas or demons anymore, but to be strengths, gifts, whatever. Like, 1226 01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:55.280 you have to purge the traumatic association that you have 1227 01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:59.000 with these things, transmit them from darkness to light. It's 1228 01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:00.599 like going to the depths of Hell and then you 1229 01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:02.519 go all the way through and then you come out 1230 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:05.239 on the other side and it's like, actually, I'm in heaven, 1231 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:06.480 you know. 1232 01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:12.079 Yeah, And then side point symbolic on on the Cabbala 1233 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.480 Tree of life. Do you know what all the little 1234 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.360 nodes on the they're called? 1235 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:21.519 I jumped the gun there, but I. 1236 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.039 Did not really is that? Yeah? 1237 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:27.119 I never looked where that name came. 1238 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:30.679 You want to know? 1239 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.440 Blowing one that I found out like a few weeks ago. 1240 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:34.159 Uh. 1241 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.800 You know the anime Full Metal Alchemist? Have you seen that? K? 1242 01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:38.800 Do you watch Animator? 1243 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.159 Yeah? I guess it's sorry, I can't. I'm like a 1244 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:48.800 terrible multitasker. I described as the channels Devigne credit Life Forces. 1245 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:51.920 Yeah it's true, dude, Yeah, that crazy. 1246 01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:54.519 It's like the different dimensions of reality or whatever. 1247 01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:56.719 We talked about. I guess it's part of it. It's 1248 01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.840 part of that. I can I ever say this Evangelion is. 1249 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:03.840 It's also Yes, it's also a part of yeah, exactly. 1250 01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:08.119 Ka Kabala type stuff comes up a lot in pop culture. 1251 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:11.039 I find, Oh, yeah, it's very cool. 1252 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:11.320 Yeah. 1253 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:15.920 But in in Full Metal Alchemist, love that show. So 1254 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:17.719 you know how like the main guy in the end, 1255 01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.920 it's Hohenheim. That's his dad, right, Yeah, that's Edward and 1256 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:27.960 Alphonse's dad Ohenheim. In real ancient I guess it's like 1257 01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:32.280 Renaissance era or whenever. This the Middle Ages, right, like 1258 01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:38.079 fourteen hundred's the Medieval Ages. Hoenheim was the birth name 1259 01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:41.280 of Paracelsus, the renowned alchemist, and I thought that was 1260 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.840 pretty crazy. I was like, oh, that's a cool detail. 1261 01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.559 And when Ed and Alphonse do the ritual to summon 1262 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.800 their mother's spirit back into her body, this door appears 1263 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.280 in front of him. Oh yeah, and it's the Tree 1264 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.079 of Life and it says cept and it's you know, 1265 01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.320 it's like Kabala. And then they crossed through the door 1266 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:02.280 and the speaking to this being that you presume is God, 1267 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.599 and they're and they're like, who are you? It's like, 1268 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:07.079 I'm everything, I'm God, I'm you. 1269 01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:08.239 You know. 1270 01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:11.039 I just thought that was so like, oh my God. 1271 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.360 And also the artistic depiction of that they go through 1272 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.599 the door, it's like just like a white room and 1273 01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:22.920 the beams is just trans yeah, translucent outline. It's something 1274 01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:28.960 about that made me feel almost there's like familiar, like 1275 01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:31.400 they nailed this, Like I don't I'm not saying that's 1276 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:35.119 what God looks like, but the representation, the you know, 1277 01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.559 like the artistic choice they something about that is right, 1278 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:41.000 Like it was really compelling. Vean, you could have. You 1279 01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:43.480 could have gone like some big crazy like Spinal Fantasy 1280 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.039 does with you Kill God right, and it's got twenty 1281 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:48.800 wings and it's you know, it's like an Ezekiel wheel 1282 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.840 or something. But they went the opposite route. They went 1283 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:55.559 this pure minimalistic and it gives me this feeling that 1284 01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.079 the only other time I can think of in media 1285 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.800 that's I felt that stronger. Have you ever seen a 1286 01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.840 movie called Annihilation? Oh? Yeah, at the end when she 1287 01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.079 meets the being, but it's just like a geometric morphing 1288 01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:13.119 blob of her, yes, well, before it turns into her, 1289 01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.679 before it takes the blood. It's just like floating. And 1290 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:17.719 it's the sound design is just like weird. 1291 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:19.800 It's amazing, dude. It's hypnotic. 1292 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.679 It's hypnotic exactly. It gave me that same feeling like 1293 01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:24.840 all the scenes in Full Metal when he's talking to 1294 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:28.480 God or whoever is I think the name in between 1295 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.599 the two doors and that void space, I would I 1296 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.239 would feel like I was hypnotized. Like there's just something 1297 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:37.400 about that concept and the depiction of it. I think 1298 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:40.400 they know, Yeah, I only I've only seen Brotherhood the uh, 1299 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:42.119 Like that's the one that's. 1300 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.880 The real one that's based directly off the manga. Yeah. 1301 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.800 Yeah, the first one basically like came out before the 1302 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:51.519 manga was finished, and then the anime ended up like 1303 01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:54.000 catching up with the manga before it finished, and they 1304 01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:58.320 kind of just like made up an ending. So Brotherhood 1305 01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.880 is the one that can watch. That's the right one. 1306 01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:03.400 It's like the modern remaster where they actually like do 1307 01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:07.079 a one shot follow through of the original manga. So 1308 01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:08.760 it's the it's the Acura story. 1309 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:10.440 The source material. Yeah. Yeah. 1310 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.360 Other really really good esoteric anime that are also news, 1311 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.639 so they're hot right now, Solo Leveling and Jujusukis. If 1312 01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.239 you haven't seen those yet, that too. Yeah, yeah, they 1313 01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.360 didn't cross my mind. That's extremely esoteric. 1314 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.719 But yeah, uh before we leave the Kabbala Tree of 1315 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.599 Life thing, you ever, I'm sure you played the newer 1316 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:33.000 Wolfenstein games. 1317 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:38.360 I played New Order in the I played the first 1318 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:40.760 of the two. I think there's three new ones. Yeah, 1319 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:42.760 I think there are three, but I've played the first two. 1320 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:47.880 Okay, so I think it's the first New Wolfenstein of 1321 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.599 the newer ones. I think it probably came out like, 1322 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:55.559 I don't know, twenty six seventeen. Yeah, yeah, we're on there. 1323 01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:00.360 They have the whole like dot you should, it's like 1324 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:01.559 the you should. 1325 01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:02.480 Uh. 1326 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:08.119 It's that like esoteric underground like Hebrew magic thing. It's 1327 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:12.400 literally all It's literally great those he says it. He 1328 01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:17.239 straight up says like this is uh this cabalistic magic. 1329 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.360 He's straight up says it like it's not there's no 1330 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:22.960 sugarcoating or anything. It's like the movie Heretic where he 1331 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:25.840 yes and just straight out to say it, and you're like, 1332 01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.760 whoa man. Uh, just talk about a game that like 1333 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:33.360 really impacted me. Wolfenstein. I had never even heard of 1334 01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:36.920 the original Wolfenstein when I played the newer ones and 1335 01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:40.079 my friend Jacob, our friend Jacob shout out. Jacob. He 1336 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:43.840 was like, dude, you gotta play this. This ship is insane. Uh. 1337 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:45.559 And I'm playing and I'm like, oh sick. I get 1338 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:46.880 to kill Nazis. That's awesome. 1339 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:48.320 And then and. 1340 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:50.800 Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it's like 1341 01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:55.880 cabalistic magic and like mex and like all this crazy 1342 01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.800 like this esoteric occult organization like it. It is such 1343 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.159 an awesome, unique game. I love that. 1344 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:06.679 I'm not gonna lie, dude, this is way different. But 1345 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:08.559 there's a game that I've been seeing clips of lately 1346 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:10.800 that I really want to play, and I think it's 1347 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:16.880 called like Exorcism Simulator or something. But it's like, it's 1348 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.359 kind of like fasmophobia. It's like a four it's like 1349 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:24.159 a four player, uh horror co op game. Yeah, I 1350 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:25.319 don't know if that's really what it's called. 1351 01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:25.680 I think it's. 1352 01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:28.680 I mean, there is a game called I'm watching it 1353 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:29.039 right now. 1354 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.359 It looks it might be called Depossessed. 1355 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.920 If I'm being honest, possessed. 1356 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.119 I'm probably tripping on the title. But if I saw 1357 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:40.359 a clip, I would know because it's. 1358 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:43.119 The same one came up. So I think, oh, it's 1359 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.039 called Unpossessed extra Unpossessed. 1360 01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Unpossessed Exorcism Simulator. Dude, it looks crazy. 1361 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.279 It's it's just like fasmophobia, but instead of like Hunting 1362 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:54.479 of Ghost, you're trying to like use like crosses to 1363 01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:55.760 get the devil out. 1364 01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.479 Of multi creepy. 1365 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:02.039 Yeah, it is creepy. It looks awesome. 1366 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:02.840 Damn. 1367 01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.520 Have you guys played Silent Hill to the New or 1368 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.520 the original played Silent Hill Man? 1369 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:11.640 Same? I hate to disappoint you, but I've never played them. 1370 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.680 I think that if I wanted to do it at 1371 01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:17.520 like a you know, the pop culture episode. If you 1372 01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:19.960 played that game, you would have like five episodes of 1373 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:21.079 content to talk about it. 1374 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:24.840 Listen, I'm on my I'm on my grind right now 1375 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.319 of picking up on all of the games that I 1376 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:31.439 missed out on. Uh So, I think that's on my 1377 01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:36.039 list for sure, because I also have a coworker who 1378 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:39.439 same thing. Like he's utterly and completely obsessed with the 1379 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:41.720 Silent Hill games and he talks about them all the 1380 01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:42.840 time and how awesome they are. 1381 01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:45.720 Like most people would say two is the best, it's 1382 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.359 also the most I just yeah, if you're going to 1383 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:49.720 play one, play two first. 1384 01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:54.520 Okay, okay, yeah, I'm on that grind right now. I 1385 01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.479 was never really into I know it. Obviously Silent Hill 1386 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.640 is not It's not like a JRP at all, but 1387 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:05.239 I never got into j RPGs at all until playing 1388 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.439 Chrono Trigger and now I'm going down that rabbit hole. 1389 01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:12.199 But also like the whole like resident evil Silent Hill 1390 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:17.000 like horror stuff that lane. I'm like, that's gonna happen 1391 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:18.279 at some point. The goat. 1392 01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:22.960 The most esoteric game and universe I can think of 1393 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.000 is the remedy shared universe. I don't know if you've 1394 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.159 played any either Alan Wake or Control games. 1395 01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:31.840 Oh oh Alan Yeah they are. 1396 01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:35.279 Alan Wake two might be the best survival horror like 1397 01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:39.479 psychological survival horror game ever. It just barely recouped its money. 1398 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:44.399 There's the whole reason behind that. But God, I would 1399 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:48.279 I would like kill to like talk Alan Bike two 1400 01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:49.640 with you, guys, if you'd played that, I bet we 1401 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:51.399 could go. It's I don't want to spoil it, like 1402 01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:53.159 it's so good. I don't want to say anything because 1403 01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:54.720 if you ever play it, I don't want to ruin 1404 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:56.560 the tragedy is. 1405 01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.720 That I have. I love Alan Way the first one, 1406 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:04.760 and I've never played the second one. But just like 1407 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:08.359 a month or so ago, I bought the first one 1408 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.319 again on Steam and have been replaying it in preparation 1409 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:15.560 for Allen Wake two. So very soon I will be 1410 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:17.560 playing awesome. Yeah, Allen Wake. 1411 01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.439 What's uh? I always like to ask this question, what 1412 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:25.680 is the most emotional game's ever made you? And why? 1413 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:28.319 Mm? 1414 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.399 Game? Oh? I can tell you right now? What do 1415 01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.479 you think about yours? When I was a kid and 1416 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.319 you would beat Okarina of time and every time you 1417 01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:38.840 would beat the game, I felt like I wanted to 1418 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:41.319 cry because I was like, it's over. You never wanted 1419 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:44.079 to be over, oh, you know, because you know, as 1420 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.720 it was back then, we had Nintendo, we had snes, 1421 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:53.319 we had Nintendo sixty four. It wasn't like online infinite gameplay. 1422 01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:54.039 Loop creative gaming. 1423 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:55.720 It's like you had your little game, you played it, 1424 01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:58.119 it was over, and you're like no. So whenever the 1425 01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:01.560 credits would roll an Okerina of Time, I felt like, you. 1426 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:03.520 Know, it's like the end of Lord of the Rings. 1427 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:05.439 You're like, oh my god, we just went on this 1428 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:06.880 whole journey and it's over. 1429 01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:09.079 Triumph, but also like sad that it's over. 1430 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:13.960 I would also get sad for Link, because good god, 1431 01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:19.199 that poor fucking kid went through everything, traveled into the future, 1432 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:24.079 slayed the Ultimate Evil, traveled back and nobody even knew 1433 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:27.520 he did any of that, and like it's he just 1434 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:31.439 has to live his like normal life dealing with the 1435 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.239 psychological repercussions of what he just did. 1436 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:37.800 Breaking news. I think Alex has a contribution. 1437 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:38.560 What up? 1438 01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:44.079 Okay, did you hear that kid? 1439 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:45.279 No? I couldn't hear it. 1440 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:48.520 Yeah, his his mic isn't working, but he cried at 1441 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:53.159 the end of Red Dead two. Right, yeah, Dead two. 1442 01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.560 That's a that's another one one as well. 1443 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.880 Oh my, there's games you beat and you're not sad, 1444 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:04.319 like for example, Halo amazing games. Growing up, you never 1445 01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:06.760 felt sad like that was sick. You know, let's let's 1446 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:09.199 play multiplayer. Yes, you know, but for some reason when 1447 01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.800 you beat Okarina of Time, I just always felt like 1448 01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:15.920 it was so depressing, like for me. Actually, this, this 1449 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.600 will explain a lot about me. I have a hard 1450 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:22.520 time finishing open world games because when I get near 1451 01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:25.520 the end, I don't want it to end, so I stall, 1452 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:27.000 and I stall, and I stall, and I do all 1453 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.600 these side quests and then it's like I've invested eighty 1454 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:31.079 twoe hundred hours in this game, and then it's like, 1455 01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:33.760 well I got other games to play, uh, and then 1456 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.920 I don't finish. Like for that reason, I haven't finished 1457 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:37.479 Tiers of the Kingdom. 1458 01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:39.920 You talk about emotional, I. 1459 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:44.680 Haven't finished Goes to Tsushima. There's a lot of games 1460 01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:48.039 that I've never finished because I'm traumatized as a kid. 1461 01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:50.680 Like you play the game, it goes by really quick 1462 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:54.439 and then it's over it, but for sure you are. 1463 01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.479 It's a complex because then there's never the experience of 1464 01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:01.319 that first experience for me. 1465 01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:05.279 Yeah, there's something wrong with my brain where I can 1466 01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:07.840 play a game one hundred times and feel the same 1467 01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:11.119 thing every time I play it. I've like beaten all 1468 01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:13.239 the Kingdom Hearts games like ten times a long. 1469 01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:14.680 That's a gift from God. 1470 01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:17.079 Dude. Yeah, No, you're right, You're right, I am, You're right, 1471 01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:19.920 I am. I do feel fortunate to have that. But 1472 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.960 a lot of a lot of games make me emotional, honestly, like, 1473 01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:26.680 I find fiction is one of the things that makes 1474 01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.880 me the most emotional out of anything. I don't know why, 1475 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.479 but one of the more recent examples would definitely be 1476 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.840 Tears of the Kingdom. The I don't I won't spoil anything. 1477 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.000 I know exactly where I'm at in that game, and 1478 01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.560 I swear once a week I'm like, I'm gonna pick 1479 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:43.840 it back up. I will finish. 1480 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:47.159 I won't spoil anything, but I will say maybe the 1481 01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:51.479 most shocking twist of my whole entire life, And I cried, Wow, 1482 01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:53.399 well do you did you beat it? Or no? 1483 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:55.239 I have not beat Tears of the Kingdom. Oh you 1484 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:56.720 got it happens, It's so good. 1485 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:01.640 It's unbelievable, but eighty hours in it. I think the 1486 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:07.399 most emotional I've been playing a game might be God 1487 01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:12.159 of War twenty eighteen. It was it's the father son thing. 1488 01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:19.319 The father son thing really like hits me in the heart. 1489 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:21.640 My dad and I didn't have like the toughest It 1490 01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:24.159 wasn't crazy, it wasn't anything crazy, but we we like 1491 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:29.239 pretty much always butt heads, but we found our way 1492 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:32.680 through that and like now we're in a great place, 1493 01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:39.880 and so that subject matter is like very tender to me. 1494 01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:48.920 And the performances of those actors is maybe the best 1495 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.279 I've seen in any video game for sure. 1496 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.479 They definitely raised the level everything production. I mean, there 1497 01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:57.840 had been single shot games with the whole idea of 1498 01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.239 the whole game is one single continuous shot, and all 1499 01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:04.720 the tricks they did to pull that off, Chris Judge, everybody, uh, like, 1500 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.800 even the the subtle things they did, Like do you 1501 01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:09.600 remember the very beginning of the game when you first 1502 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.079 kind of set out and you are going to initially 1503 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:16.880 like get the tree. I think you're the wife cut 1504 01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:18.399 down the tree. It's like right at the very beginning, 1505 01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:18.880 oh yeah. 1506 01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:19.479 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1507 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:23.520 How the game starts and there's like a trayis and 1508 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:26.560 cradles are arguing and they're looking over like kind of 1509 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.359 a cliff side, and there's awkward and Credos like puts 1510 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:31.560 his hand like he wants to. 1511 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:33.560 Touch oh, and then he pulls it away. 1512 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:36.680 He pulls it back, just like The game is just 1513 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:41.079 full of like subtle subtexts like that that just by 1514 01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:43.359 the end when you find out spoiler alert that like 1515 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.479 the mom has been guiding them, and that's the whole time. 1516 01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:46.880 You know. 1517 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:49.720 I loved how they tied in lored to like what's 1518 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:53.640 considered a gameplay mechanic, the idea of yellow markings, you know, 1519 01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:55.680 what you can interact with and what you can climb on. 1520 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:56.720 It's turned around. 1521 01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:59.319 But and then they're like, we're going to do that, 1522 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:01.560 but we're gonna actually work it into the lore and 1523 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:03.920 makes it like fit into the world and it's heard 1524 01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:07.399 knowing ahead of time guiding you because it's just god damn, 1525 01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:09.319 that game's also I think I think that was. 1526 01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:12.560 Like the first game anyone's ever played where like the 1527 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.920 acting and the dialogue and all that felt like movie quality. 1528 01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.439 It truly, you know, it really did. It is movie. 1529 01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:25.479 It had been attempted before, but they fully and completely. 1530 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.279 It's like a movie, it really is. 1531 01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:31.119 And then Ragnarok doubles down on that, like you know, 1532 01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:35.199 like if freaking if Got of War twenty eighteen is 1533 01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:39.920 the Iron Man movie, Gotta warre Ragnarok is in game 1534 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:45.119 like it's it's like they fully fully go twice as 1535 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:48.720 three times as big on that. But yeah, I think 1536 01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.319 I think that's in Like I think Got of War 1537 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:54.960 twenty eighteen is in like the top three most like 1538 01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:59.760 dazzling spectacular games I've ever played, just personally for sure. 1539 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.560 It it hit me on every single level. It checked 1540 01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:06.199 every box. It shook me to my core. It made 1541 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:10.039 me extremely emotional and like shocked me. 1542 01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:12.600 It's the only problem is there was enough of it. 1543 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:18.640 I know they came out with Ragnarok and maybe they'll 1544 01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:20.199 do another one. I don't know the story. 1545 01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:22.439 There's like heavy conversations about that. 1546 01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:25.079 Yeah, it's either going to be Egypt. 1547 01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:26.119 It seems like Egypt. 1548 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.000 It seems like Egypt is where we're going next. But 1549 01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:33.239 I did just see something like last night that apparently 1550 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:38.600 a very credible leak source who has been right about 1551 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:41.039 many many things Got a War related in the past, 1552 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:45.880 is saying it's actually going to be another prequel set 1553 01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:49.479 in Greece about Credos and his father. 1554 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:52.920 See what I saw was there was a leak that 1555 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:56.479 a major project for Sony has just been announced that 1556 01:18:56.520 --> 01:19:00.199 they're casting Middle Eastern actors. So then so there's specult. 1557 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.279 Well is it God a war? Is it Egypt? 1558 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:02.680 Yeah? 1559 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:03.840 So who knows God? 1560 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:08.920 So regardless, Oh yeah, the twenty eighteen was supposed to 1561 01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:11.680 be Egypt like many years ago. It was going to 1562 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:14.199 be glad it wasn't. I am too. The Norse thing, yeah, 1563 01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:14.439 it was. 1564 01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.319 Very I was a little bummed out when the Norse 1565 01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:18.920 thing was first announced, like I didn't I think at 1566 01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:21.479 the time there had been I think Assassin's Creed Vikings 1567 01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:21.880 had come. 1568 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.359 Out where it was announced around the same thing, around 1569 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:24.880 the same time. 1570 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.000 There seemed to be other Viking games, and I just 1571 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.359 felt like the Vikings TV show, I'm like, I got 1572 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.199 lots of cool Viking ship in my life. Yeah, you know, 1573 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:36.800 there's not enough though. Have you seen The Northman by 1574 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:41.079 the way? Yes, so, oh my god, people talked so 1575 01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:45.840 much shit on that movie. Pretty low expectations. It's one 1576 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:47.119 of the coolest movies I've ever. 1577 01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:50.199 Amazing, it's so good. 1578 01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:54.319 Yeah, yeah. I was gonna ask if if Jeff Bezos 1579 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.960 or Elon Musk came and said okay, Bledsoe said, so, 1580 01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:00.800 I love you guys. I think I believe your dad's story. 1581 01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.600 I want to support you. So here's twenty billion dollars. 1582 01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:08.800 You can make any video game you want and hire 1583 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:12.920 whoever you want. What would you guys make, Like, let's 1584 01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:14.880 say they came to as you do as a podcast? Easy? 1585 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:15.920 Easy? 1586 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:17.640 What Elder? 1587 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:20.439 Scroll six? Where's it ahead? Where's it? 1588 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:22.239 Aad? Let's I would take? 1589 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:25.880 Give him to Todd Howard and hurry the fuck up. 1590 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:26.319 But I'm. 1591 01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:32.000 Okay, that's that's cool. But like Skyrim, what's it are 1592 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:34.760 we at fourteen years now that we've been waiting twenty 1593 01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:39.439 fourteen years? Here you go, Todd, here's twenty billion dollars, 1594 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:43.920 give me the fucking game? Where is it? Giff me? 1595 01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:46.159 You know what? I know what game I would make? 1596 01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:50.399 I would set out to make the most bad ass 1597 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:54.880 hand to hand martial arts kung fu game ever made, 1598 01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:59.880 like seafo, best kung fu game I've ever played, like that, 1599 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:04.960 but bigger, like multiplayer, like it would be like traditional 1600 01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:08.479 respect to actual kung fu styles, like you can you 1601 01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:10.720 can do this style of this style of this style, 1602 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.760 and uh, it would be something along those lines, something 1603 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:18.800 like fighting melee combat like Chivalry. Chivalry has a really 1604 01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:21.880 good like sword, you know, Melee mechanic would be something 1605 01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:24.000 along those lines. When I was a kid, I always 1606 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.399 fantasized about a Star Wars game just like Chivalry, where 1607 01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:30.039 you have lightsabers, but it's like, you know, some something 1608 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:35.880 melee oriented with a like a multiplayer vibe. Maybe it's 1609 01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:39.119 like Chivalry esque where it's sixty four thirty two verse 1610 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:42.359 thirty two, but it's like, you know, people melee fighting, 1611 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:45.640 like the fucking assaulting the Shaolin. 1612 01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:47.319 Temple or something like that. 1613 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:51.640 It would be martial arts melee focused. That'd be sick, yeah, 1614 01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:53.279 because at the end of the day, that's usually my 1615 01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:54.520 favorite games. 1616 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:58.239 Why what did your favorite game of all time? Yeah, 1617 01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:00.479 if you had, it depends on the era. 1618 01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:03.840 Depends on the era. I can't say one, because there's 1619 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:07.439 a lot. I would say, like I have a list. Uh, 1620 01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:10.439 Okerina of Time is probably like my all time nostalgia classic. 1621 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.159 I would like play that with my dad and my brothers. 1622 01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:18.159 We were all obsessed with Zelda growing up, and so 1623 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:23.520 definitely Okerina of time. But right now, dude, right now, 1624 01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:27.640 Like I'm really into Hell Divers, really really into Hell 1625 01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:31.279 Divers two. I think that game transcends just being a 1626 01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:33.960 multiplayer game, Like it has an incredible lore that is 1627 01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:39.399 like so freaking amazing. It's just an incredible phenomenon. I 1628 01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:41.920 don't know, I really like competitive mutiplayer games. I'm playing 1629 01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:43.159 the crap out of Marvel Rivals. 1630 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:46.680 I've heard nothing but good things from everyone who plays Rivals. 1631 01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:49.920 It's amazing, it's shockingly good. Like I thought that the 1632 01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:55.680 Hero Shooter thing had run its course, and especially with Concord, 1633 01:22:55.920 --> 01:23:00.920 I think Blizzard that yes, the dazzling failure, it was Concord. 1634 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:04.560 I thought. I was like, Okay, we're done with this 1635 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:07.479 right like it's it's it's And then Marvel Rivals came 1636 01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:09.800 out and it's like, oh shit, no, this is fun 1637 01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:10.079 as hell. 1638 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:10.399 Still. 1639 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:11.319 They just were doing. 1640 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.439 It wrong, Yes, they were doing it wrong. Yeah, they 1641 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:14.199 were doing it wrong. 1642 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.920 I'd have to say Kingdom Hearts two is probably my 1643 01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:20.000 favorite game of all time. 1644 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:21.079 Yeah. 1645 01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:22.560 If I had to pick a more recent one, it 1646 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:24.680 would maybe be God of War twenty eighteen. 1647 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.199 No, to be elden Ring. 1648 01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:28.279 Oh hell yeah, what are you talking about I'm tripping 1649 01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:31.720 Elden Ring is crazy. I can't wait for night Rain. 1650 01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:33.439 Good God. 1651 01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:36.479 People were bitching about night Rain, but I'm like more 1652 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:39.359 eldan Ring. Like basically, you're getting a co op bus 1653 01:23:39.399 --> 01:23:44.439 boss Russ mode sounds awesome. Yeah, awesome, like you're an actual. 1654 01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:50.079 Yes, And they did cool little tweaks like the mobility 1655 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:52.840 is way better, like you run faster, you walk faster, 1656 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:58.079 everything faster. There's no fall damage, Like it's awesome. They 1657 01:23:58.119 --> 01:23:59.840 did a lot of tweaks to just be like, go 1658 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:01.159 go go, go, go go, just have. 1659 01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:04.119 Fun, like don't worry about all the littlest formula. 1660 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:05.600 Yes, it's gonna be sick. 1661 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.640 I have to give special shout out. This is one 1662 01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.039 of my top five permanent Like one of the best 1663 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:14.319 games I've ever played is Seafoo. Yeah, I've beaten it 1664 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:18.239 over one hundred times. I've beaten it Master. I've done 1665 01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:21.000 a no literal no death run, but that was a 1666 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:24.600 normal mode. I haven't done a no death run on 1667 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:27.359 Master someday, but I'll probably beat my head in if 1668 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:28.840 I attempt that. 1669 01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:30.960 Do you have a PS five xbox? What do you got? 1670 01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.159 I got them all, brother, you got to have them. 1671 01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:35.760 All these days. Did you ever play Ninja Guiden back 1672 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:38.439 in the day, the three sixty Xbox ones? 1673 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.359 Not all the way I played the demo Actually, just 1674 01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:41.960 a couple of days ago, I was playing Ninja Guid 1675 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:44.800 in two because it's on game Pass, and I was like, 1676 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:47.479 you know what, this is a little dated, Like. 1677 01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:49.760 It's a little dated in terms of like the camera 1678 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:52.319 can be fun. Yes, they hadn't figured out the cameras. 1679 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:54.760 Shit, it's really clunky. I couldn't keep going. 1680 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:56.960 If you can get past that, there's a reason why. 1681 01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.880 It's Hell, this is the greatest action martial arts game 1682 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:04.720 for a lot of people. That's like the pinnacle. Seafood 1683 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.880 is like a different thing. Seafoo is its own like 1684 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:09.560 almost like its own genre. 1685 01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:13.880 Kung fu enthusiasts bro like yes, it's like there's like 1686 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:17.560 real hit in there, like as someone who studied kung 1687 01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:19.880 fu for four years, like every week, going three four 1688 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:23.119 times a week, like under an actual Seafoo and like 1689 01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:25.239 a part of a martial arts school. Like Seafoo is 1690 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:29.079 for real, Like it's amazing, it's unbelievable. 1691 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:33.199 It's like Yip man the game yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, 1692 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:36.960 just like straight Box and everybody. It's it's a really 1693 01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:37.439 cool game. 1694 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:42.199 Yeah, I'm kind of like, I feel like I hijacked 1695 01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:44.439 the whole thing in video games. And there's nothing for 1696 01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:46.560 your listeners. But I could talk to you guys about 1697 01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:47.760 video games forever. 1698 01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:49.800 So what do you mean there's nothing for a listeners? 1699 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:52.239 And I know you said and I know you said 1700 01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:54.399 an hour in other like an hour or so. 1701 01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:55.760 Oh dude, I told you we're cool. 1702 01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:58.319 Man, Okay, we're just making sure. 1703 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:01.479 No, this has been awesome. I feel like people be 1704 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:04.000 tripping if there's at least got to be somebody out 1705 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:05.680 there in our show who likes video games. 1706 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:07.920 Man, come on, Like, you guys have video Game Channel 1707 01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:10.039 on your Discord and I pop in there and talk 1708 01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:12.279 every once in a while. Yeah, I wanted to bring 1709 01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:14.199 up you both bought a Link, and I had this 1710 01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:17.520 thought as you were talking about Okay at time and 1711 01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:20.760 Tiers of the Kingdom and why why you felt sad 1712 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.880 because in the lore that the quote lore the timeline 1713 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:28.000 of Zelda, which has like multiple timelines, kind of retconned it. 1714 01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:32.600 But the overarching theme is Link is almost like a title. 1715 01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:37.560 He's like reincarnated with the title like a Christ exactly 1716 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:42.119 he's essentially a Messiah figure. Yeah, and now he's not 1717 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:44.439 like born of a virgin Mary and all that. Right, 1718 01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:48.119 of course it's but it's like a twist on the Messiah, 1719 01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:51.399 like the idea of the Messiah complex, not complex, I guess, 1720 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:57.079 just the archetype. And maybe like it's almost the sad 1721 01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:01.039 idea of that you're gonna saved the world and then 1722 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:03.239 you're gonna die, but it's gonna go back to it. 1723 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:05.479 You have to do it all over again. Oh yeah, 1724 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:07.800 And maybe that's why it feels sad because I don't know. 1725 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.079 I was I was thinking about you know, he's right, 1726 01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:14.560 like the Zelda games, they don't there's hit different, Like, 1727 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:17.000 you're right. I just played Halo one of some friends. 1728 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:18.159 You beat a Halo campaign. 1729 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:23.000 But yeah, you're not sad. You're not like crying and 1730 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.439 then you're like, let's do it again, a legendary. 1731 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.600 Yeah, okuerinas. It's not like you're weeping, but it's like 1732 01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:32.000 somber your melancholy, yeah, melancholin. 1733 01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:32.520 Yeah. 1734 01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:35.239 I wonder if it's because they're playing with some of 1735 01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:40.239 these themes like reincarnation, timelines, Messiah, all that stuff. 1736 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:46.720 Music the music too, like Zelda music there's nothing like it, nothing. 1737 01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:49.880 And particularly all the little jingles they made for Akerina 1738 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:53.279 of Time, the Song of Storms, like come on, you 1739 01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:54.039 can never not. 1740 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:56.319 Hear that melody all day dude. 1741 01:27:56.399 --> 01:28:00.239 Yeah, that was pretty good too. It's all about it's 1742 01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:01.159 all about. 1743 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:07.279 The opening the opening screen. Yeah song, that's the song. Yeah, 1744 01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:11.840 oh my yeah, but it is true the somber, that 1745 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:15.039 whole thing of like Link is just gonna come back 1746 01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.079 and do it again over and over and over and 1747 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:22.880 over and over. Like that's we're writing a song about that. Actually, yeah, 1748 01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:24.039 you want you want to. 1749 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:29.079 Man? Our next song is doing I don't think. Yeah. 1750 01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:31.800 We're working on a single called Ultrahand. 1751 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:34.600 Yeah, which is the mechanic from Tears of the Kingdom 1752 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:38.439 Tiers of the Kingdom. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And it's 1753 01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:41.800 literally like I've pretty much finished the lyrics at this point. 1754 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:46.319 It's literally about the like Link being trapped in an 1755 01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:50.720 endless cycle of just having to fight Gannon over and 1756 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:53.000 over and over and over and over and over, and 1757 01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:55.000 it's like is he you know, it is this thing 1758 01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.960 of like is he really winning? And Gannon is almost 1759 01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:02.520 being like, well kill me now, like I'm gonna be 1760 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:05.039 I'm gonna be right back to get you again, like 1761 01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:07.840 you know, like yeah kind of thing. And it is 1762 01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:10.800 you get that feeling playing the Zelda game. I mean, 1763 01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:14.000 at least I do. I also find it fascinating. He 1764 01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:17.119 is like a vessel for this christ consciousness, right, and 1765 01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:20.479 he keeps coming back. And it's but I find it fascinating. 1766 01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:25.439 He never talks and you can name him whatever you 1767 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:28.880 want to name him, implying that like it's you. Yeah, 1768 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:32.199 it's you, it's true, but like we are Christ. 1769 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:32.760 Yeah. 1770 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:34.720 But he also like pulls the sword from the stone, 1771 01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:37.199 which ye gives me like Arthur vibe, you know, like 1772 01:29:37.239 --> 01:29:39.760 being worthy and like pulling the Master Sword from the stone, 1773 01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:42.560 the magical sword that could seal the darkness. You know, 1774 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:43.119 it's like. 1775 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.079 Bro in Breast of the Wild, you literally have to 1776 01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:49.680 purify your heart in order to pull the Master Sword 1777 01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:52.039 out of the thirteen hearts. 1778 01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:52.840 You gotta have exactly. 1779 01:29:53.560 --> 01:29:55.520 I forgot about that. You have to have hearts. 1780 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:57.960 Yeah, both games actually yes, yeah. 1781 01:29:57.720 --> 01:29:59.960 But well and no in Tears of the Kingdom, it's stamina, 1782 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:01.199 is it. 1783 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:04.319 Ye dragon? Yeah, you're right, you're right. You have to 1784 01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:06.520 have like five stamina wheels I think or something like that, 1785 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.079 because you pull it out of a fucking dragon forehead, 1786 01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:12.600 out of the sky. Yeah, it's it's awesome. 1787 01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:16.399 The Japanese have always had Like I was thinking about 1788 01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:18.239 what you were saying, I think there's a lot of 1789 01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:21.800 it's like, Okay, we're looking for inspiration, this this stuff 1790 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:24.119 is cool. It's just cool. We're gonna we just want 1791 01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:27.239 to make something cool, right. But I also think over 1792 01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:31.520 time this concept, especially with all the j RPGs, because 1793 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:33.319 I know Nick Thing is getting into them. There's this 1794 01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:37.159 joke within the j RPG community that almost all of 1795 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:44.239 them you kill God. But that's and I've always wondered, 1796 01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:46.960 And a lot of times they'll take like the twist 1797 01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:50.079 like Christian. You know, they'll have crosses and stuff like 1798 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:53.199 in Xeno Gears or dragon Quest games. They never they 1799 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:57.560 know us, never explicitly mentioned Christ. But they're like taking 1800 01:30:57.720 --> 01:30:59.399 iconography even. 1801 01:30:59.239 --> 01:30:59.760 In dragon Ball. 1802 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.840 Dude, Yeah, I wonder what that is like is it? 1803 01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:07.119 Because but you know, they come from generally speaking, like 1804 01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:10.760 a Buddhist background and reincarnation, and they like they mix 1805 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:14.039 the two together, and I sometimes I wonder how much 1806 01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:16.760 of it is sort of like the way I create sometimes, 1807 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:18.800 like I just want to put together things that are cool, 1808 01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:21.479 and then I come up with the narrative once the 1809 01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:24.159 pieces are there, you know, or are they mastered? You know, 1810 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.880 who's master planning? And like, really, I want to put 1811 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:32.159 this stuff into my art as a conscious message to 1812 01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:33.640 people playing. 1813 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:37.680 I think that they have a fascination with like Christian iconography, 1814 01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:39.800 you know. And that's why it's in so much anime too. 1815 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.439 It's really in a lot of anime and and also 1816 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:43.840 like Japanese games. 1817 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:45.039 And I think you're right. 1818 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:47.199 It's like, oh wow, this is cool. It's not that 1819 01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:50.479 even necessarily, but like, yeah, this looks sick. Cross it 1820 01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:53.439 does look kind of cool. It doesn't the cross tattoo. 1821 01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:54.000 You're like, dud you. 1822 01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:57.640 Baroque Catholic is heavy metal? 1823 01:31:57.960 --> 01:31:58.560 Heavy metal? 1824 01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:01.199 Yeah, I mean it's so cool that people turn them 1825 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:05.760 upside down and they're like, yo, across you Like it's cool. 1826 01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:08.800 The first time I ever saw the explosions and Evangelian 1827 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:11.800 and how like an explosion happens and it's across, I 1828 01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:14.680 was like, that's the coolest shit I've ever seen. 1829 01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:18.640 Crosses are really edgy. They think about it's edgy. 1830 01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:21.560 They're coole as fuck. Yeah, and and yeah, I think 1831 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:23.279 a lot of it is like, I'm just grabbing a 1832 01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:25.159 bunch of stuff that I think is cool, put it together, 1833 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:27.800 and then the first chance you get to step back 1834 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:30.000 and look at it as a whole, you're like, oh, ship, 1835 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:34.479 there's a theme here. Yes, I'm pulling, And then you 1836 01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:39.800 can inject the intention exactly for sure. 1837 01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:40.319 I don't know. 1838 01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:43.279 I mean, who knows some some of them, you know, 1839 01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:47.399 creators could be masterminding it from the very beginning examples. 1840 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:50.640 Oh that's that's that's intentions. 1841 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:54.359 Yeah, it has to be one piece. One piece. 1842 01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:56.439 I've never tried because it's just too much of a commitment. 1843 01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:58.279 There is no try. 1844 01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:01.960 Let me let me just let me, let me just 1845 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:04.319 put it to you like this. It will bless your 1846 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:05.760 whole entire life. 1847 01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:08.600 It'll change your life. Yeah, I keep everyone says that 1848 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:09.560 because it's true. 1849 01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:12.119 It's true. It can't be overstated. 1850 01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:15.159 I tell Nick, I'm like, or like, in group conversation 1851 01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:17.800 with our friends who haven't seen it, I'm like, having 1852 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:21.199 one piece in your life is something every day that 1853 01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:24.960 can help you experience more joy when you have a show, 1854 01:33:25.399 --> 01:33:27.399 Like when you have a show that is twelve hundred 1855 01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:32.399 now and going plus episodes, that is like consistently amazing, 1856 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.600 consistently better and better and better and better. And the 1857 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:37.520 story is so big and it's so deep, and it's archetypal. 1858 01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:40.600 Don't want to spoil anything, and it's very spiritual and 1859 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:43.960 like triumphant, and you have like X number of years 1860 01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:46.000 of your life that you can show up and hit play. 1861 01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:48.640 And it's this show that gives you that feeling that 1862 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:51.800 you're seeking when consuming media. It's like you literally have 1863 01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:57.119 life before consuming one piece, and then during consuming one piece, 1864 01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:00.359 because it never it's still still you know, it's like 1865 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:05.600 literally having it in your life gives you more joy. 1866 01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:07.239 In my opinion, it's it's amazing. 1867 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:10.439 I've heard some pretty strong recommendations for one Piece, but 1868 01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:13.640 that takes the case. That's like takes the cake. Excuse me, 1869 01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:19.279 that's glowing literally almost like claiming one piece is divine. 1870 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:23.720 It is honest it honestly it is. Don't want to 1871 01:34:23.720 --> 01:34:26.920 spoil it, but it's it's I don't know, there's this 1872 01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.199 meme that it's like peak fiction. 1873 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:30.000 It is. 1874 01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:33.960 It kind of is like, yeah, it's shocking. It's hard 1875 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:36.319 to deny at this point it does this thing. I'm 1876 01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:38.680 almost caught up. I only have a little bit left 1877 01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:39.199 and I'm. 1878 01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:41.319 Sad about But then you have Mango for years. 1879 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:44.520 Absolutely, yeah, the manga after that and whatever. But I'm 1880 01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:48.560 almost caught up, and I've only been watching like two three. 1881 01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:50.479 And I've been two You're probably three years at this point, 1882 01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:52.520 two and a half three, watching for two years now, 1883 01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:55.279 and you have been watching like maybe a year or 1884 01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:55.840 even less. 1885 01:34:55.920 --> 01:34:57.560 Yeah, I think it was six months. Yeah, two and 1886 01:34:57.560 --> 01:35:03.680 a half years, So okay, And it continues to shock me. 1887 01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:07.520 From the first fifty episodes, you're like, oh, this is 1888 01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:11.720 this is the coolest shit ever, like Pirates, this is awesome, 1889 01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:14.680 and you think you know what the show is and 1890 01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:17.159 you think you know how good it could possibly get, 1891 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:22.279 and then every single arc for twelve hundred episodes straight, 1892 01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:24.800 they smack you in the face and say like you 1893 01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:28.039 don't know shit, Like we will be ten times better 1894 01:35:28.039 --> 01:35:31.279 than you think we will be, Like this show will 1895 01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:34.680 be so much better than you think it could ever be. 1896 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:38.560 I'm almost at eleven hundred episodes and I'm still like 1897 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:41.159 my jaws on the floor almost every episode. 1898 01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:43.760 Should you be on episode like eight point fifty and 1899 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:46.239 a character will walk up that's like one of the 1900 01:35:46.279 --> 01:35:49.239 most important people in the world or something, and it's like, 1901 01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:51.960 you know, you heard their name like five hundred episodes, 1902 01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:54.279 you never even seen them, and then they show up 1903 01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:56.640 and it's say, oh shit, I gotta beat you. How 1904 01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:58.199 am I gonna beat you? You know? It's like that. 1905 01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:01.439 It's like everything is so out to a level that 1906 01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:06.039 you literally have never experienced it never will experience other 1907 01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:09.840 than this one experience, which is one piece. There's nothing 1908 01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:11.039 like it. There never will be anything like. 1909 01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:13.760 It's true they're in a unique position because it's been 1910 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:18.640 airing for so long. It's like like they never knew 1911 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:21.199 that they would get this much time to do the show. 1912 01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:25.159 But once they started realizing that they would have enough time, 1913 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:28.039 which was around like water seven ish, they were like, 1914 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:32.039 we're gonna do something that nobody else can do because 1915 01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:34.920 we have the privilege of like they had the roadmap, 1916 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:35.399 they knew. 1917 01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:38.720 It's almost like they have a second mastermind phase, which yes, 1918 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:42.399 they realized, okay, we have the runway to do something different. 1919 01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:47.279 They saw the trajectory and they were like, okay, we 1920 01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:50.920 are having like a dragon Ball level trajectory at this point. Yeah, 1921 01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:53.800 and I think they made a conscious decision to be 1922 01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:58.279 like rather than rather than ending. At some point we 1923 01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:02.520 are going to tell this story in the most fleshed 1924 01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:04.960 out way possible and take our time. 1925 01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:08.359 And here's something that we haven't even stated yet in 1926 01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:11.880 the best and most important part of the show that 1927 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:14.840 it has like the highest degree of mystery. 1928 01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:16.399 Oh my god, are. 1929 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:16.920 You ready for this? 1930 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:19.199 You ready? 1931 01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:21.760 Nobody even knows what the One Piece is. 1932 01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:26.279 No one, no one in the human world, the world 1933 01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:29.680 like real life. I mean, well, the creator Oda and 1934 01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:34.439 apparently like two or three other people they actually know 1935 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:35.199 what it is. 1936 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:37.920 So they do have an end in mind that they're 1937 01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:38.520 working towards. 1938 01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:40.319 They've had it the whole time. He's had it the 1939 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:43.000 whole time, and he also said he has never once 1940 01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:47.039 changed it never he will never change it. And he 1941 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:50.239 also said it's not some bullshit like the one Piece 1942 01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:55.159 was the friends we made along the way or like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, 1943 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:59.319 it's it's real and it is going to like shock 1944 01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:01.000 everyone that watches the show. 1945 01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:04.520 And then around episode five hundred characters be like, the 1946 01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:05.520 one Piece is real. 1947 01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:06.760 I don't want to give too. 1948 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:09.159 Much away, but like it's crazy. The level of mystery 1949 01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:09.920 is so the. 1950 01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:12.960 People in the world, like the people in the Lord 1951 01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:15.079 don't even know if it's a real thing or not, 1952 01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:17.159 or what it is or what No, no one knows 1953 01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:17.600 what it is. 1954 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:20.000 Yeah, and that's one little example. 1955 01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:24.079 Yes, yeah, it's crazy. They have maintained this level of 1956 01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:28.479 absolute mystery for such a long time and like, we 1957 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:31.359 still have no idea. There's been theories floating around for 1958 01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:34.560 decades of what it is. We still don't know. Yeah, 1959 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:35.319 we still don't. 1960 01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:36.399 We still years away from that. 1961 01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:39.560 Yes, yes, it's coming to a close. 1962 01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:43.439 It's like have they given a timeline on like, you know, 1963 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:45.239 how old is this Oda guy? 1964 01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:46.960 I mean he's. 1965 01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:49.279 Okay, he's got time. 1966 01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:52.199 Yeah, but he's been having a lot of health issues 1967 01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:55.319 over the years. They he works himself like a dog. 1968 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:59.760 But that they we are in like the final saga. 1969 01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:01.239 They have declared of the. 1970 01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.359 Mango, which is a few years ahead of the anime. 1971 01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:04.640 It's about a year ahead. 1972 01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:04.960 Yeah. 1973 01:39:05.079 --> 01:39:08.079 So yeah, so it's coming to a close. 1974 01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:08.680 Within the decade. 1975 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:13.920 I think I'm thinking within like five years max. It'll 1976 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:17.880 be over probably like three. We'll see though, we'll see. Yeah, 1977 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:20.439 that's the end of our one piece rant. We're one 1978 01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:21.479 piece evangelists. 1979 01:39:21.560 --> 01:39:26.359 Yes, we are profits and piece. I love that ship man, 1980 01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:28.520 it's it's amazing Washington day. 1981 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.560 You got a Power Rangers action figure back there? 1982 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:34.680 Oh you saw that, dude? Yeah, this was mine when 1983 01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:35.640 I was a toddler. 1984 01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:36.640 It's so cool. 1985 01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:40.279 Power Rangers was created the year I was born. I'm 1986 01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:42.119 a I'm a big Power Rangers. 1987 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:43.720 I was a big Powers fan too. 1988 01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:45.439 Got some Oh they're in the next one. 1989 01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:47.680 It was huge in our house too. We were we 1990 01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:50.319 were way into Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles. 1991 01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:51.279 It's the lord' z dude. 1992 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:52.000 Yep. 1993 01:39:52.520 --> 01:39:54.920 I loved the Mighty Morphin movie growing up, the nineteen 1994 01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:56.760 ninety five one. I would watch it on repeat. 1995 01:39:56.880 --> 01:40:01.680 Yeah, repeat, It's amazing. Ye, I have an ooze and 1996 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.920 lord' ed. Yeah, that's awesome. 1997 01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:11.039 If you guys could, if Twice Born could make a 1998 01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:13.800 soundtrack for any game, what would you guys want to 1999 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:14.359 work on. 2000 01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:16.560 Twice Born? 2001 01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:19.199 Yeah, So that gives you a little more narrow because 2002 01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:21.399 I can think of a French couple franchise. I'm like, 2003 01:40:21.720 --> 01:40:25.560 I could hear some Twice Born some metals in what Doom? Yeah? 2004 01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:32.479 Thought if I like, if I got to choose, though, 2005 01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:37.520 it would be God of War. It would absolutely be 2006 01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:39.840 God of War. And I think that I think it's awesome. 2007 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:42.039 What they do with their soundtrack and their score, like 2008 01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:46.199 being just like orchestral and using like those like authentic 2009 01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:50.000 cultural instruments and ship I think it's really badass. But 2010 01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:52.079 there are there are always moments in those games where 2011 01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:57.000 I'm like, imagine if I was like brutally slaughtering this 2012 01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:59.960 god right now to like the heaviest breakdown of all time. 2013 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.960 Oh yeah, Like, would that not be so sick? I'm 2014 01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:05.560 having a hard time with this one, dude, Like, think 2015 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:07.800 about freaking think about in God War three, when you 2016 01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:13.640 kill Poseidon, like and it's first person, it's like slowly, oh, dude, 2017 01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:17.319 Like it would be sweet. It would be sick. Or 2018 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:19.920 the Hercules death in that one, one of my favorites, 2019 01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:22.960 That one, one of my all time favorites. Smashes his 2020 01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:26.760 face completely in the Chronos one where Chronos has you 2021 01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:30.880 like this he has between his fingers. That one is brutal. Yeah, 2022 01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.960 that come on, man, Yeah, God warn it needs them 2023 01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:34.840 twice Born up in. 2024 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:36.000 It for sure. 2025 01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:38.880 Plus it's like esoteric, it's spiritual, Like the name even 2026 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.199 twice Born itself is a spiritual thing. Like, yeah, it 2027 01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:42.279 would perfectly fit God War. 2028 01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:44.720 Actually, I agree with you on the orchestral thing. I 2029 01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:47.319 was actually just I'm working on a God of War 2030 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:48.600 two emulation. 2031 01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:50.920 Video, and oh awesome. I I try to like. 2032 01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:53.760 Make quick little remixes of songs for the YouTube videos. 2033 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:55.680 I just like ripped the MIDI throw it on a 2034 01:41:55.720 --> 01:42:00.560 different instrument. Oh cool jingle. And I was listening for like, oh, 2035 01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:02.880 what kind of warsong has like a cool little melody, 2036 01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:05.319 And I thought the same thing. It's not that I'm 2037 01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:10.199 dissing on orchestral music, and but it's like I've been 2038 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:12.840 hearing that style of soundtrack since i was a kid, 2039 01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:16.520 every movie with Hans Zimmer behind the soundtrack like and 2040 01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:20.600 it's and then you listen to something like an A 2041 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:25.479 twenty four film like Hidden Jam, Uncut Jam, and it's like, 2042 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:28.680 I'll synth and I'm like, man, I would love like 2043 01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:34.479 a more like a dark synth cinematic instead of orchestral 2044 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:37.920 or doom. It's like metal doom its own thing. But 2045 01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:42.520 it's I guess what I'm saying is I'm slightly rinsed 2046 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:47.479 burnt out on the movie sound like the genre of 2047 01:42:47.560 --> 01:42:50.880 the movie soundtrack. Like it's not that it's a bad genre. 2048 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:53.319 I've just listened to so much of it for sure. 2049 01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:57.479 I think it's just so effective, Like it's so it's effective, 2050 01:42:57.720 --> 01:42:58.720 it's too effective. 2051 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:01.039 That's something I think it was so good about Stranger 2052 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:03.920 Things is because there was like heavy sense yes layered 2053 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:06.159 into the soundtrack. It made you think of the eighties. 2054 01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:09.239 You know. Synth is one of my favorite instruments, Like, 2055 01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:10.960 I love I love. 2056 01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:12.680 It, awes, I love it. 2057 01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:15.479 Dark electronic music is my thing. 2058 01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:17.279 Yeah, I want to send your music. Can you send 2059 01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:17.600 it to me? 2060 01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:18.239 Yeah? 2061 01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:20.239 I mean I want to listen, not send it. Can 2062 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:20.840 you send it? 2063 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:25.000 I said something in the Omi's Once, an early version 2064 01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:27.920 of a track where I took the the Red Star 2065 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:32.279 Regulars prophecy. Oh yeah, I like relate it into a breakdown. 2066 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:34.800 It actually got pulled from that song. It's going to 2067 01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:36.600 be like in the intro and outro of the album. 2068 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:39.960 Now our whole album, it's like me kind of injecting 2069 01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:42.119 your guys' shit mixed with like my own. 2070 01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:44.479 You know, now I have to hear it. 2071 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:47.720 Hell yeah, the only thing I worry about sometimes. And 2072 01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:50.960 I'm just being totally honest a little superstitious. It's like 2073 01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:55.039 your dad's always talking about being positive, and I'm like 2074 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:57.920 working in inspiration from your guys story into like the 2075 01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:02.760 Darkest and I'm like, I don't think your dad would 2076 01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:05.439 actually like it if you heard it. He probably thinks, well, 2077 01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:05.800 I mean. 2078 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:07.800 He probably wouldn't get it. Man, he's he's sixty three 2079 01:44:07.880 --> 01:44:11.680 years old and he's not, you know, making music for fun, 2080 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:15.159 like he probably you know, it doesn't really matter. I mean, 2081 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:17.159 I understand where you're coming from. And it's it's art. 2082 01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:19.359 You just have. It's it's a it's like a persona. 2083 01:44:19.439 --> 01:44:21.760 It's it's yeah, fiction, you know, it's like you're I 2084 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:22.119 don't know. 2085 01:44:22.439 --> 01:44:24.279 Yeah, I don't know if he's heard. I'm sure he 2086 01:44:24.319 --> 01:44:27.920 hasn't heard twice born, but I don't see he has. Yeah, 2087 01:44:29.159 --> 01:44:31.159 I don't think he would like it if he heard 2088 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:33.479 that either. But I mean, it's it's art. It's an 2089 01:44:33.560 --> 01:44:34.600 artistic representation. 2090 01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:36.119 It's an expression of yourself. 2091 01:44:36.239 --> 01:44:37.359 Yeah, exactly. 2092 01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:42.560 Yeah. I I got a couple of things wrong though. 2093 01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:46.640 My sweatshirt is the upside down triangle. For some reason, 2094 01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:48.880 I got mixed up when I heard the triangle of 2095 01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:51.520 the beings. And then later you were talking about Rosa 2096 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:55.079 Crucianism in a different episode, and I think there was 2097 01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:57.600 this concept of the true nature of the Godhead is 2098 01:44:57.720 --> 01:45:02.279 actually the upside down triangle Father, Father, Mother, children of creation. 2099 01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:06.000 And I'm like, that's such a cool concept, that like 2100 01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:08.960 we're actually part of the Godhead and that there is 2101 01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:12.359 a heavenly Mother. And Mormonism we actually have pretty strong 2102 01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:17.600 old school Mormonism, not new school old school Mormonism. There's 2103 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:19.079 a very explicit Heavenly Mother. 2104 01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:20.399 Yeah. 2105 01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:22.720 A lot of Christianity, and I know a lot of 2106 01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:24.960 Christians wouldn't think Mormons a Christian I think that's fair. 2107 01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:28.560 You can, you can say that, but I would consider 2108 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:34.760 them a Christian derivative. And so most Christian churches don't. 2109 01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:37.319 From my understanding, I've been to like different ones. I 2110 01:45:37.319 --> 01:45:39.960 know you grew up you guys. Both are Ryan in 2111 01:45:40.039 --> 01:45:42.119 like a hardcore speaking and tongues type style. 2112 01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:44.000 Yeah, is there. 2113 01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:45.600 They don't talk about Heavenly Mother. 2114 01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:50.239 No, no, No, that would be considered like evil. They 2115 01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:54.840 would think if, yeah, if you suggest that anyone other 2116 01:45:54.920 --> 01:45:58.439 than like Father, Son, holy Ghost have any sort of 2117 01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:01.359 divinity whatsoever, that's like evil. 2118 01:46:02.199 --> 01:46:05.920 But I guess the actual trip, I guess really it's 2119 01:46:05.960 --> 01:46:08.960 that beings had a right side triangle and it's it's 2120 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:11.319 Father Son, Holy Ghost. But the Holy Ghost is the Mother? 2121 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:12.279 Is that the correct? 2122 01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:15.359 Yeah? In a manner of speaking, the beings when they 2123 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:17.199 showed up with the triangle in their chest and say that, 2124 01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:21.319 you know, they said, it's creation, right, it's trinity. But 2125 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:24.960 later the Lady in twenty twelve, when she appeared, she 2126 01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:27.279 was like, I'm the secret missing part of the trinity. 2127 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:32.479 I'm you know, the Mother, the Holy Spirit, the divine feminine. 2128 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:35.800 And we're like what now what does this mean? And 2129 01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:37.920 it took us, you know, all this time to like 2130 01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:40.399 learn and understand what this meant. 2131 01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:43.199 But yeah, I got it wrong. 2132 01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:45.279 She had a triangle on her chest too. 2133 01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:48.560 But it's right side up correct. Yeah. Yeah, so that 2134 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:50.520 makes me like, fuck, I have the upside down triango, 2135 01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:51.520 which is the inversion. 2136 01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:56.439 No no, no, no, no, no no, because in symbology, the 2137 01:46:57.159 --> 01:47:02.079 upfacing triangle is masculine and the down facing triangle is famine. 2138 01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:04.840 Oh that makes sense, that will work. Then that It's fine. 2139 01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:07.399 It's the sword and the cups yeah, or the sword 2140 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:08.039 and the cup. 2141 01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:15.199 Yeah, or it's like you know, reproductive, Yeah I get it, 2142 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:19.479 but serious the womb and and you know the staff 2143 01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:24.640 and yeah, no, the for real, like that's it can 2144 01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:26.920 be represented that way and even like the ovaries at 2145 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:31.920 the other parts of the triangle, or you know, the peanuts. 2146 01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:34.760 On the pointed up triangle, the other two points are 2147 01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:38.560 the peanuts, and then on a on an inverted triangle, 2148 01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:40.920 the top two points are the ovaries. Oes. 2149 01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:50.000 Yeahs, And would be really cool. I would be fun 2150 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:53.760 like YouTube video if I knew more to like do 2151 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:57.479 a forty five minute video on the symbolism of like 2152 01:47:57.560 --> 01:47:59.960 the tri force, because the tri force is three trying 2153 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:02.920 and some of our I bet you could just like 2154 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:07.520 weave a really cool cool I don't know, just like 2155 01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:11.319 a spitballing on all this stuff. Because the triangle itself 2156 01:48:12.479 --> 01:48:16.760 is everywhere. It's in you, it's UFOs, it's in religion's. 2157 01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:18.239 Strongest shape in nature, the rule of three. 2158 01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:20.439 It's just everywhere. 2159 01:48:20.840 --> 01:48:23.239 It's literally the strongest geometric shape in nature. 2160 01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:24.760 Yeah. 2161 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:27.560 If you ask like first responders, like firefighters, or or 2162 01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:30.840 like rescue squads on police forces, when they go through 2163 01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:32.960 training and like there's a building on fire or a 2164 01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:36.039 collapsing structure or whatever, you cut triangles. If you're trying 2165 01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:38.640 to breach into a building to rescue people, you cut 2166 01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:41.720 triangles because it will still be able to support the building, 2167 01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:45.560 it won't collapse as easy. Whoa, it's literally geometrically the 2168 01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:48.199 strongest shape. WHOA think about that? 2169 01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:51.399 I had no idea. I'm kind of still thinking about 2170 01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:56.279 she nuts, but I mean, but I mean, that's crazy. 2171 01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:59.079 I had no idea. I knew the whole the obviously 2172 01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:02.920 that the principle that it's the strongest shape, but like 2173 01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:06.119 as far as them cutting triangles to get it, that's crazy. 2174 01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:06.640 Yeah. 2175 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:10.119 Actually you could totally do like a whole comprehensive breakdown 2176 01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:13.640 of the triforce. Yeah, because it's also an ancient symbol, 2177 01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:15.720 is an ancient Eastern. 2178 01:49:15.399 --> 01:49:17.399 And I'm sure it's similar to a bunch of other 2179 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:20.359 ancient symbol It's that you could connect once you start researching. 2180 01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:22.720 I bet you could find so many connections. 2181 01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:26.000 Mystery traditions have a really cool explaining of the triangle, 2182 01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:29.920 like and what it represents. Like, but before time and 2183 01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:33.399 you know, material reality existed, there was this original consciousness. 2184 01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:35.720 That's like a point, right if you think about it, 2185 01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:37.439 like you're looking at a grid and you're like, how 2186 01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:42.199 can I depict you know, reality and consciousness on a 2187 01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:45.199 graph on a two dimensional plane. You have a point, 2188 01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:50.039 and then that point gave the first expression or contemplation 2189 01:49:50.199 --> 01:49:51.960 of itself. And now you have a line and you 2190 01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:55.479 have two points, and that's when there began to be duality. 2191 01:49:55.720 --> 01:50:00.560 This perfect all transcendent consciousness versus when it contemplated itself. 2192 01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:02.920 But it is a creator being. It's you know, it's 2193 01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:06.840 it's the source of creation. So when it thinks, it creates, right, 2194 01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:11.039 so it contemplates itself and therefore creates a lower reflection 2195 01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:16.199 of itself or you know behind me here the lady, 2196 01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:21.520 the second layer of the divine, and then from those 2197 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:24.680 two forces emanating beneath them or us, that third point. 2198 01:50:24.760 --> 01:50:28.560 It's like creation, right, material reality. So like if you 2199 01:50:28.640 --> 01:50:31.239 read all Rosicrucian manuscripts, they show you like it's a 2200 01:50:31.279 --> 01:50:34.560 point and then it expresses itself and now there's duality, 2201 01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:38.720 and then it expresses itself again and then it's like us, 2202 01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:40.560 it's creation, and that's simplifying it. 2203 01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:44.399 But I think you said in the first episode, obviously 2204 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:51.439 correct me, that the divine masculine was the logos and 2205 01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:54.640 the divine feminine was like the will and the emotion. 2206 01:50:55.239 --> 01:50:58.880 It goes together create action, which is creation. Like I 2207 01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:01.119 remember being like thinking that was so cool. I'm gonna 2208 01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:05.520 design a fucking brand around this. This is sick, but 2209 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:07.840 I think that you kind of sit a similar thing 2210 01:51:07.840 --> 01:51:15.520 where it's like, yeah, the the just the God contemplates. 2211 01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:19.520 Itself, know thyself, right, you ever have that know thyself. 2212 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:22.880 And then because of that, then you get the material reality, 2213 01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:28.640 which is us. I mean, yeah, I better explanation. 2214 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:33.199 Now we're here and we are fractal pieces of God. Right, 2215 01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:35.439 So like our whole purpose in life, the whole spiritual 2216 01:51:35.439 --> 01:51:40.239 game is like mirroring, you know, the journey of God, 2217 01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:43.920 and it's like know thyself like the inner work, but 2218 01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:48.079 like looking deep into oneself, contemplating the inner mysteries of 2219 01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:52.319 your mind, transmuting your traumas and and your negativity even 2220 01:51:52.920 --> 01:51:55.119 you know, and it's like it's really crazy. We're like 2221 01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:57.279 it's as above so below like us here on the 2222 01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:02.800 material earthly plane are how do we or mirror reflections 2223 01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:07.520 of the higher plane of reality, the higher consciousness or 2224 01:52:07.560 --> 01:52:13.439 intelligence know thyself? That's I think that's Aristotle but very profound. 2225 01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:17.760 In order to be enlightened, you must know thyself, you 2226 01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:19.000 must look within. 2227 01:52:19.239 --> 01:52:24.520 Basically, I was just going to ask you also about 2228 01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:28.920 your opinion on some of some Mormon stuff because I 2229 01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:31.439 want to know if it connects to any other mystery 2230 01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:34.399 things that maybe I'm not aware of, because I think 2231 01:52:34.439 --> 01:52:40.199 some of the Mormon like rituals, I know that they 2232 01:52:40.279 --> 01:52:43.079 were inspired or derivatives or lifted from things that came 2233 01:52:43.199 --> 01:52:44.880 Some of it I know about. Some of it I don't, 2234 01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:46.800 and I want to. I'm just curious. Like one of 2235 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.319 the biggest ones is I've always thought it was super 2236 01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:51.760 heavy metal, and if you grow up Mormon, you just 2237 01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:54.319 think it's kind of normal because it's just like taught 2238 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:56.520 to you normal and it's just you don't realize it. 2239 01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:59.159 But we have this thing we do for the youth. 2240 01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:01.159 You can start doing it once you're twelve, and you 2241 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:04.039 can get baptized for the dead, which just that alone, 2242 01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:06.279 that's a metal song. 2243 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:10.079 Baptists dead invert just because of. 2244 01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:12.439 That, Yes, convert from it to it. 2245 01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:15.239 Oh and before people get weirded out by it, and 2246 01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:17.600 people also think it's really cool, it goes. I think 2247 01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:20.239 it's actually kind of cool. But the concept is you 2248 01:53:20.239 --> 01:53:22.000 can't get baptized if you don't have a body, So 2249 01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:25.840 you get baptized in proxy for a dead person, which 2250 01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:28.960 is like in a cult voodoo ritual whoa in like 2251 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:32.439 a Christian but they wrap it up in like Christian stuff, 2252 01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:35.159 and it doesn't you know, the building you go to, 2253 01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:38.720 the temple doesn't look like a cult like voodoo and dark. 2254 01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:41.600 It's all nice. And they spend tons of money on 2255 01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:44.000 these buildings. And if you look up the inside of 2256 01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:46.920 these temples, they're absolutely gorgeous. They hire like the best people. 2257 01:53:47.319 --> 01:53:49.760 They just go all they go balls to the wall 2258 01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:53.920 and then they build a baptismal font that sits on 2259 01:53:53.960 --> 01:53:57.159 the back of twelve oxen. Like shit, you not, this 2260 01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.359 is epic as fuck. Like you look at these pictures, 2261 01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:02.680 they look like they're crazy. Now they say within Mormonism 2262 01:54:02.720 --> 01:54:06.520 that the twelve ox and simp or the ox or 2263 01:54:06.520 --> 01:54:09.800 the cows, whatever they're called, symbolize the twelve tribes of Israel. 2264 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:12.840 But I know that twelve is a number that appears. 2265 01:54:13.640 --> 01:54:16.119 Like you guys had the Zoraster episode I thought was awesome, 2266 01:54:16.680 --> 01:54:19.640 where well, first off, good thoughts, good words, good deeds. 2267 01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:21.279 It's like, yeah, that's the name of the episode. 2268 01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:23.880 It's like the simple that's my family model. So I 2269 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:26.680 teach my kids like it's the simplest way I think 2270 01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:31.359 to disteal spirituality. Just those things. Just what you think 2271 01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:34.239 becomes your words, and when your words become your actions, 2272 01:54:34.279 --> 01:54:37.119 make them good things work out. Like That's the simplest 2273 01:54:37.119 --> 01:54:38.800 way I could explain it to like a five year 2274 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.479 old on how to be. But anyway, so like the 2275 01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:44.520 twelve tribe, I remember you saying, I think correctly that 2276 01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.039 he went on into the river, had a vision, and 2277 01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:48.960 there was the one main light, but there was twelve 2278 01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:50.520 lights around it. 2279 01:54:50.680 --> 01:54:55.760 Forster for a dior asterism. When went into a cave 2280 01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:56.560 up on a mountain? 2281 01:54:57.199 --> 01:54:58.640 Is it a cave or a river? I probably it's 2282 01:54:58.680 --> 01:54:59.760 probably mean you got it wrong. 2283 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:01.760 It's I think it went up into a cave on 2284 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:04.680 top of a mountain, and he had this experience with 2285 01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:07.199 a horror. Mazda was a horror. 2286 01:55:07.640 --> 01:55:07.880 Horror. 2287 01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:11.319 Mazda is the light, Yeah, the god God got into 2288 01:55:11.600 --> 01:55:12.039 yeah God. 2289 01:55:12.279 --> 01:55:16.600 And then Arinu is the bad one or Ariman or 2290 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:19.760 I think it's angrim Minu is like the evil reflection. 2291 01:55:20.520 --> 01:55:22.319 Yeah, the ying Yang. 2292 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:25.760 I feel like I'm in a like you know, the 2293 01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:29.640 butterfly effect. I feel like reality change because I swear 2294 01:55:29.680 --> 01:55:32.720 to God that he went underwater and had a vision, 2295 01:55:32.760 --> 01:55:36.279 and I thought it was it was similar to baptism 2296 01:55:36.520 --> 01:55:38.319 and I'm like, it's so weird. It's so much older 2297 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:39.319 than any of these. 2298 01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:40.520 Pretty sure it was in a cave. 2299 01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:44.039 No, you're I would say, I'm a lifelong pot heead. 2300 01:55:44.039 --> 01:55:46.479 I've been Snoop Dogg for twenty five years, so I 2301 01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:48.000 do not trust my memory. 2302 01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:52.319 It's been pretty sharp. You've been calling on episodes that 2303 01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:53.520 are like from years ago. 2304 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:57.640 It's good sometimes and not good sometimes. What sucks is 2305 01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:00.159 I've actually brought that up and talked about it to 2306 01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:02.560 other people, and I've just told him the wrong story 2307 01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.399 about Zoraster because I just thought it was so cool. 2308 01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:07.479 But did he see twelve lights? 2309 01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:12.039 No, he saw one. He saw one and it was 2310 01:56:12.399 --> 01:56:15.479 Ahura Mazda and it came and it told him basically. 2311 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:18.279 I mean, I haven't read the gaith as myself, but 2312 01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:20.520 you know, just the gist of what they said or 2313 01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:23.000 what it said was like basically, hey, you know this 2314 01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:27.760 is the truth, Like I'm God. Basically Houra Mazda the creator. 2315 01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:31.479 And there's also an evil shadow and evil reflection who 2316 01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:35.039 is a liar and is evil and is trying to 2317 01:56:35.079 --> 01:56:38.439 pervert the hearts of mankind and make them wicked and 2318 01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:42.239 live and lies and deceit and it's araminu or also 2319 01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:46.319 known as ariiman and a hoa mazda. Basically was like, 2320 01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:48.199 you know, good thoughts, good words, good deeds, like you 2321 01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:50.079 have to purify your mind, you have to be righteous, 2322 01:56:50.119 --> 01:56:51.760 you have to live in truth, you have to kind 2323 01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:54.399 of align with delight and the truth, and you know 2324 01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:56.039 you'll make it to heaven or whatever. 2325 01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:58.159 But is there multiple versions? 2326 01:56:58.199 --> 01:57:01.439 Because yeah, over time it got twisted, just like everything. 2327 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:04.199 Yeah, there's a version that and maybe you've brought this 2328 01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:06.439 up as like a later version on the episode. There 2329 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:08.680 is a version where he was bathing in a river 2330 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:13.239 m during the purification ritual. Then he had this vision 2331 01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:15.039 of ahura masta what you just said. 2332 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:16.920 Maybe that is what it is. I thought it was 2333 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:18.159 up on a mountain for some reason. 2334 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:22.039 There's so many of these myths that are like almost 2335 01:57:22.079 --> 01:57:25.560 the same, yeah, and then like minor yeah, different, But 2336 01:57:25.600 --> 01:57:29.000 if you think about it, even like like going underwater 2337 01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:31.520 in a river and going into a cave is like 2338 01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:32.439 the underworld. 2339 01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:34.119 Symbolically, it's the same idea. 2340 01:57:34.239 --> 01:57:37.920 It's yeah, symbolic of going into the depths below and 2341 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:42.319 then coming out with a new Yeah, it's exactly. It's 2342 01:57:42.359 --> 01:57:44.560 symbolizing the underworb consciousnes Yes. 2343 01:57:44.680 --> 01:57:45.039 Whatever. 2344 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.319 Have you guys ever seen a YouTube video? I think 2345 01:57:48.319 --> 01:57:53.720 it's called Icy Goat too? No, oh my god, it's 2346 01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:56.960 so good. I would almost it's kind of long to 2347 01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:01.760 do live. It's seven minutes and thirty seconds. You got 2348 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:06.359 to watch that video. It came out like eleven years ago. 2349 01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:07.479 Eleven years ago. 2350 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:08.920 What is it? 2351 01:58:09.079 --> 01:58:12.399 I don't want to say anything more than okay. It's 2352 01:58:12.399 --> 01:58:14.880 a three D animation that a guy created. It's got 2353 01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:19.880 Jesus and a cult and watch it and all this stuff. 2354 01:58:19.880 --> 01:58:20.960 And it came out eleven. 2355 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:22.119 Oh, I See Goat. 2356 01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:24.880 I know what you're talking about. Not the video, but 2357 01:58:25.880 --> 01:58:27.840 that's uh George Bush. 2358 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:31.039 Yes, you know this. George Bush is in it. 2359 01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:34.560 It's creepy man. The day of nine to eleven. He's 2360 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:37.359 in an elementary school like when the Twin Towers, right, Yeah, 2361 01:58:37.640 --> 01:58:40.520 and he's reading this children's book called I See Goat 2362 01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:45.800 Okay to them and it talks about like plane hit Hit. 2363 01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:47.439 It's really weird, dude, and. 2364 01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:49.840 It's very weird. And that's all in this. So the 2365 01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:53.119 video starts out with this like it's animating this. There's 2366 01:58:53.119 --> 01:58:55.920 like music, but I'll I'll say, is it goes from that, 2367 01:58:56.239 --> 01:58:58.520 it goes through You're like, oh, this is a nine 2368 01:58:58.520 --> 01:59:02.000 to eleven conspiracy video, right, and then it's like no, 2369 01:59:02.399 --> 01:59:04.520 it goes through all the religions, It goes through all 2370 01:59:04.520 --> 01:59:07.399 of time. In the end, it ends with like Jesus 2371 01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:10.199 and his third eye in his heart, like breaking. It's 2372 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:11.760 it just goes places. 2373 01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:13.880 You just yeah, I'll definitely watch it go there. 2374 01:59:13.960 --> 01:59:16.319 Yea, yeah, I'm gonna watch that as soon as Badass would. 2375 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:18.600 I would love to hear your breakdown of that, because 2376 01:59:18.880 --> 01:59:21.159 it's one of those things I've watched probably twenty times 2377 01:59:21.159 --> 01:59:23.399 over the last like ten years. I go back to 2378 01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:25.039 it and then I go online and I read read 2379 01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:28.239 it and people trying to break it down, and it's 2380 01:59:28.279 --> 01:59:31.800 it's true art where it resonates with everybody, but nobody 2381 01:59:32.199 --> 01:59:34.720 like gets the same thing out of it. Yeah, every 2382 01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:36.239 but everyone resonates with it. 2383 01:59:37.680 --> 01:59:38.640 That's pretty curious. 2384 01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:39.880 Yeah, we'll have to watch it. 2385 01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:44.319 Yeah, for the listeners anyone. It's on YouTube. It's definitely 2386 01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:48.039 weird and it's kind of dark and unnerving in a way, 2387 01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:51.520 but it's not like scary or scarier. 2388 01:59:51.720 --> 01:59:54.319 Yeah, I understand. Yeah, yeah, I think these subjects for 2389 01:59:54.359 --> 01:59:55.359 some people are unnerving. 2390 01:59:56.319 --> 01:59:57.880 It is like the first time I did d MT, 2391 01:59:58.239 --> 02:00:02.399 it was the a few times I've done it a 2392 02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:03.199 bunch wo. 2393 02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:07.359 I uh, it's it was. 2394 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:10.680 I remember thinking like, oh, the spiritual realm or the 2395 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:15.359 other realm is like more foreign and dark than I 2396 02:00:15.399 --> 02:00:18.199 thought it would be because you grow up like Christian 2397 02:00:18.279 --> 02:00:26.239 and religious, and it's like the other realm is like clouds. Yeah, there, 2398 02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:28.680 and then the reality is that's sort of true, but 2399 02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:34.520 it's also like so different and unnatural. It's one it's 2400 02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:38.600 scary because it's so it's abstract. It's abstract, but it's 2401 02:00:38.720 --> 02:00:44.760 it's it's darker than I anticipated, like in the way 2402 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:47.359 you perceived it, but in the feeling not like not 2403 02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:55.640 like scary, I'm in danger dark like mysterious, unknown, ominous, Yes, 2404 02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:58.279 ominous that's the right word. That's the right word. 2405 02:00:58.399 --> 02:01:00.760 Yeah, I understand that completely. I've the same way, like 2406 02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:03.960 it was very ominous and very like whoa, like almost 2407 02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:06.319 like alien in a sense, not like green and alien, 2408 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:09.840 but like foreign like whoa. It's so different and abstract, 2409 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:10.960 like baffles the brain. 2410 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:14.319 I think that's how things are. Back to your family. 2411 02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:19.640 Your experience has both positive and negative. Yeah, right, it's 2412 02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:22.439 not like yes, it's a blessing, And I know your 2413 02:01:22.479 --> 02:01:26.399 Dad's like it's all overall a blessing, but it's also 2414 02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:33.960 been it seems like the darker you can go, you're 2415 02:01:34.079 --> 02:01:37.079 you're a bit deeper you can go to Hell also 2416 02:01:38.039 --> 02:01:41.840 expands your ability to experience higher highs. Yes, Like the 2417 02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:46.000 only way that you can experience ultimate love is you 2418 02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:49.800 have to experience ultimate despair or I think so or 2419 02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:52.439 something like that, and that's the way I go ahead. 2420 02:01:52.439 --> 02:01:55.199 Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry too. But like the more trauma 2421 02:01:55.359 --> 02:01:57.119 or the more like like you said, like the more 2422 02:01:57.159 --> 02:02:00.159 negativity you're suffering that you do experience, you can and 2423 02:02:01.359 --> 02:02:03.880 it's like a pendulum. It can go equal measure the 2424 02:02:03.920 --> 02:02:06.159 other way. And I can tell you that over eighteen 2425 02:02:06.239 --> 02:02:08.520 years of doing this and getting thousands and thousands of 2426 02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:11.399 messages from people throughout the years, but mostly my dad, 2427 02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:13.199 but now I get them too. For the last six 2428 02:02:13.279 --> 02:02:19.960 years i've been public, the main driving force behind people 2429 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:24.760 having experiences with the phenomenon is experiencing some form of trauma. 2430 02:02:25.319 --> 02:02:28.399 Yep, that's what I forget. The guy's name is on 2431 02:02:28.760 --> 02:02:32.920 Jesse Michaels if anyone's interested. The America American Alchemy podcast, 2432 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:35.520 I think is fantastic from the subject for the most part. 2433 02:02:36.119 --> 02:02:38.199 And they've had a couple of people say when they're 2434 02:02:38.359 --> 02:02:42.600 recruiting for psionic assets, they look for people with trauma 2435 02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:47.319 in their background because it's for some reason trauma. And 2436 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:49.640 even if it's like that, this goes to the dark side, right, 2437 02:02:50.199 --> 02:02:52.720 If you have the idea of the force, right, ultimately, 2438 02:02:53.399 --> 02:02:57.079 if you have this binary thing good and evil, then 2439 02:02:57.279 --> 02:02:59.600 if there's ultimate good like we're talking about, then there 2440 02:02:59.680 --> 02:03:03.199 must all be ultimate evil. And I think ultimate evil 2441 02:03:03.239 --> 02:03:05.439 the dark side of the force is you can gain 2442 02:03:05.560 --> 02:03:10.960 power or expand your abilities, or your awareness or your 2443 02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:15.000 intuition and your connection to the divine through terrible dark trauma. 2444 02:03:15.079 --> 02:03:18.640 And some people have taken that path, like some people 2445 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:21.960 like legitimately, as much as I think Dark Vader is cool, 2446 02:03:22.079 --> 02:03:25.600 the reality of like someone who goes down that path, 2447 02:03:25.640 --> 02:03:26.880 I don't even want to talk about. Some of the 2448 02:03:26.920 --> 02:03:31.640 things allegedly that happened were people who it's just like shit. 2449 02:03:31.760 --> 02:03:33.960 And that's one thing I've noticed about your dad's story 2450 02:03:34.000 --> 02:03:37.960 and other people's story like Whitney Strieber, and none of that, 2451 02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:41.479 all of them agree, but they do all have traumatic lives, 2452 02:03:41.720 --> 02:03:43.920 almost all them. I can't think of one that doesn't 2453 02:03:44.439 --> 02:03:47.680 your dad in particular. But I remember reading the UFO 2454 02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:49.760 of God book, which I recommend. I killed it in 2455 02:03:49.800 --> 02:03:54.119 a day. I just remember. I just remember thinking, like, dude, 2456 02:03:54.159 --> 02:03:58.560 this guy's life has been NonStop, just crazy shit. 2457 02:03:58.760 --> 02:04:00.880 Yeah, trauma. 2458 02:04:01.199 --> 02:04:04.399 And one thing that I was I wanted to ask 2459 02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:07.640 about is does he I know, he got healed from 2460 02:04:07.680 --> 02:04:09.399 the stuff, but he talks a lot in the book 2461 02:04:09.479 --> 02:04:14.119 about the arthritis from I guess the contact is that 2462 02:04:14.199 --> 02:04:16.640 still is that just like, Okay, I got healed from 2463 02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:19.720 Krohn's disease, but I got arthritis in exchange. 2464 02:04:20.239 --> 02:04:22.920 Yeah, I don't know. I mean that that's been speculated 2465 02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:26.680 by government and Vatican officials. I mean, how could we 2466 02:04:26.680 --> 02:04:29.000 ever know for sure. It's not like the beings are 2467 02:04:29.000 --> 02:04:31.319 going to come down and give a diagnosis, so we 2468 02:04:31.359 --> 02:04:35.159 really don't know. Yeah, but what I do know is 2469 02:04:35.199 --> 02:04:37.399 he does still have rheumatoid, but it goes in and 2470 02:04:37.399 --> 02:04:39.840 out of remission and it's nowhere near as bad as 2471 02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:41.880 it used to be. Every now and then, like if 2472 02:04:41.880 --> 02:04:43.840 he works his hands too much, if he's doing some 2473 02:04:43.840 --> 02:04:45.920 sort of construction type thing at the house or at 2474 02:04:45.920 --> 02:04:48.199 my house or whatever, then he'll have like a flare 2475 02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:50.000 up and for a few days his hands are hurt, 2476 02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:52.680 but for the most part he is experiencing remission. 2477 02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:56.039 And there was a time where he could barely walk. 2478 02:04:56.239 --> 02:04:58.079 Yeah, he couldn't even button up his pants or tie 2479 02:04:58.119 --> 02:04:59.199 his shoes or he. 2480 02:04:59.119 --> 02:05:02.199 Talked about that the book like gardening. I remember him 2481 02:05:02.239 --> 02:05:05.439 talking about gardening while his hands were all messed up. Yep, 2482 02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:08.960 and I was I remember just thinking, like Jesus Christ 2483 02:05:09.039 --> 02:05:12.279 pun intended, I guess, like dude, to get this guy 2484 02:05:12.279 --> 02:05:15.840 a break, like yeah, you know, And anyway, I've just 2485 02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:18.439 I've wondered about that, like I had. I think I 2486 02:05:18.479 --> 02:05:21.039 told you I had an ORB experience. I did tell you. 2487 02:05:21.079 --> 02:05:24.520 I know I told you. And all I've had is 2488 02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:29.279 that one experience. And I've sought experiences and I've asked 2489 02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:32.439 for experiences or just like something my whole life. And 2490 02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:34.600 sometimes I've wondered to see their two things. I've had 2491 02:05:34.600 --> 02:05:37.319 a really awesome life for them, like if you zoom 2492 02:05:37.319 --> 02:05:40.000 out compared to other people. Not that I don't have shit, 2493 02:05:40.680 --> 02:05:43.920 but realistically I've had a very blessed life. I don't 2494 02:05:43.960 --> 02:05:46.199 think I have a ton of trauma in that sense. 2495 02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:48.800 And the oh, I'm like, so maybe I just have 2496 02:05:48.840 --> 02:05:53.039 to experience more or two. I've thought like maybe I 2497 02:05:53.159 --> 02:05:57.119 was like an actual Darth Vader character in the previous life, 2498 02:05:57.600 --> 02:05:59.159 and like I got a long way to come up. 2499 02:05:59.199 --> 02:06:01.479 And I mean, just like joking, I'm not being you know, 2500 02:06:01.560 --> 02:06:04.720 I don't fully think that, but sometimes I wonder. And 2501 02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:09.479 I've always thought like, why would the phenomena or God 2502 02:06:09.600 --> 02:06:14.359 or the divine have it set up this way? And 2503 02:06:14.439 --> 02:06:17.159 to me, it must mean that if you believe the 2504 02:06:17.199 --> 02:06:20.239 phenomena or God of the divine is all powerful, it 2505 02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:23.439 also seems to be there must be certain laws that 2506 02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:25.920 the way the universe works, that you just have to 2507 02:06:25.920 --> 02:06:29.760 do things a certain way, even if you're God right. 2508 02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:31.600 Otherwise I would be like if I had a bunch 2509 02:06:31.600 --> 02:06:34.359 of creations and children, I wouldn't want to make them 2510 02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:35.920 go through the ship we go through. I don't want 2511 02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:37.119 my kids, you know, like. 2512 02:06:37.239 --> 02:06:38.920 Yeah, but you send them to school and make them 2513 02:06:38.920 --> 02:06:41.399 do their homework and you know, teach the plan and 2514 02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:44.520 teach them exactly, and you know, when they act up, 2515 02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:46.680 they get in trouble. You know, there's certain things that 2516 02:06:46.920 --> 02:06:49.680 like you wish didn't happen to you. But then you're like, 2517 02:06:49.720 --> 02:06:51.840 but I have to do it because I'm molding them 2518 02:06:52.000 --> 02:06:56.199 to be a certain way. I'm molding them to be successful, right, 2519 02:06:56.720 --> 02:06:59.119 And it's kind of the same thing I feel. And 2520 02:06:59.199 --> 02:07:02.079 also like, yeah, I think that it is law that 2521 02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:05.960 it's like, dude, what would be the good in giving 2522 02:07:06.079 --> 02:07:08.840 your child the answers of their homework? They're not learning, 2523 02:07:09.720 --> 02:07:11.760 you know? Yeah, Well that's that's because that's what we're 2524 02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:12.800 going to fail the test. 2525 02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:15.279 That's where us we don't. But if I was an 2526 02:07:15.319 --> 02:07:18.640 all powerful being, why couldn't I give them the answers 2527 02:07:18.640 --> 02:07:20.079 in a way where they would have it the same 2528 02:07:20.119 --> 02:07:22.479 way as if they like, I. 2529 02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:24.640 Must not be able to do that because you are 2530 02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:28.239 a contemplation of this all powerful being. You are a 2531 02:07:28.279 --> 02:07:31.079 thought within the mind of this all powerful, powerful being. 2532 02:07:31.079 --> 02:07:34.399 You're like a shadow or or reflection of it. And 2533 02:07:34.560 --> 02:07:38.479 just like when it originally contemplated itself, now you are 2534 02:07:38.520 --> 02:07:43.279 here to contemplate yourself and therefore contemplate the universe. Like 2535 02:07:43.319 --> 02:07:45.279 it's a it's a test, it's a lesson, Like you 2536 02:07:45.439 --> 02:07:49.119 have to grow. You can't just be like, you know, 2537 02:07:49.159 --> 02:07:51.680 you joined the military. They're like, all right, great, here's 2538 02:07:51.680 --> 02:07:52.079 a rifle. 2539 02:07:52.119 --> 02:07:52.279 You know. 2540 02:07:52.399 --> 02:07:55.000 No, they got to like mold you and shape you 2541 02:07:55.119 --> 02:07:58.720 and prepare you for war and condition you. And that's 2542 02:07:58.760 --> 02:08:02.560 what life is. It's like a conditioning experience for you 2543 02:08:02.640 --> 02:08:07.840 to your consciousness to grow to be ready for I 2544 02:08:07.840 --> 02:08:11.960 guess as I understand it, like eternity in the other world, 2545 02:08:12.279 --> 02:08:14.680 so to speak. And when you know, maybe you didn't 2546 02:08:14.720 --> 02:08:15.920 quite make it in this life, all right, well you 2547 02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:18.159 got to come to it again exactly. You know, you 2548 02:08:18.279 --> 02:08:20.479 stolen a lot of people in this one. Now you're 2549 02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:23.079 going to be robbed in the next one, you know, 2550 02:08:23.199 --> 02:08:25.359 and then you learn, ooh, I don't want to do 2551 02:08:25.399 --> 02:08:27.439 that in another lifetime, you know. And it's like that, 2552 02:08:27.520 --> 02:08:30.600 over and over and whittling away all of these parts 2553 02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:34.159 of your consciousness that are impure until eventually you got 2554 02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:37.399 to figure it out. That's what the Rosicrucians teach and 2555 02:08:37.479 --> 02:08:40.520 all these other mystical societies that like, that's the purpose 2556 02:08:40.520 --> 02:08:43.399 of reincarnation is over time you're becoming more and more 2557 02:08:43.520 --> 02:08:46.520 pure between lives. You know. 2558 02:08:46.680 --> 02:08:49.760 It's it makes it resonates with me. It makes sense 2559 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:51.439 to me. It's one of the only ways that I 2560 02:08:51.479 --> 02:08:54.520 can grapple with the fact that there is so much 2561 02:08:54.520 --> 02:08:56.960 suffering in the world. You know. It's like well, how 2562 02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:59.600 does that make sense? Well, if if you if we're 2563 02:08:59.640 --> 02:09:02.319 all one consciousness, we're all contemplations are the same being. 2564 02:09:02.439 --> 02:09:06.119 You are the blessed person, and you are also child 2565 02:09:06.159 --> 02:09:08.560 born into slavery. You're both. 2566 02:09:08.880 --> 02:09:09.960 You're also the creator. 2567 02:09:10.359 --> 02:09:12.399 You're also the creator. So it's fair in the sense 2568 02:09:12.439 --> 02:09:14.800 that it's not like, hey, I have an awesome life 2569 02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:16.840 and this person doesn't, or my life sucks and this 2570 02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:19.760 person's life is awesome. We all have the same thing. 2571 02:09:20.039 --> 02:09:23.640 And then if you tack on the reincarnations, well over, 2572 02:09:23.680 --> 02:09:25.760 if you zoom out, it may seem unfair right now, 2573 02:09:25.760 --> 02:09:29.039 but if you zoom out over hundreds thousands of lifetimes, 2574 02:09:29.399 --> 02:09:32.920 it is going to make sense. And so that the 2575 02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:37.640 idea of collective consciousness and reincarnation is the only way 2576 02:09:37.680 --> 02:09:40.920 I've been able to tell myself something that can kind 2577 02:09:40.960 --> 02:09:45.000 of quell that existential why are things the way they are? 2578 02:09:45.359 --> 02:09:48.800 And then I can just stop worrying about that and 2579 02:09:48.880 --> 02:09:50.880 just get back to good thoughts, good words, good deeds, 2580 02:09:50.920 --> 02:09:53.840 because that's what you got to do, right, And I 2581 02:09:53.840 --> 02:09:57.319 think if you focus on those three things, you sort 2582 02:09:57.319 --> 02:10:01.560 of naturally head the direction you're SPI to go, right. 2583 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:05.359 I totally agree, Yeah, that's try how I approach it. 2584 02:10:05.399 --> 02:10:09.920 And I think I I think podcasts like yours are important. 2585 02:10:09.960 --> 02:10:17.920 I think people need spiritual framework to approach reality. Like, 2586 02:10:17.960 --> 02:10:21.720 for example, my wife just went through like a really 2587 02:10:21.800 --> 02:10:25.880 bad mental period like nine months to ten months, and 2588 02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:28.520 we lost her brother and my brother a year ago. 2589 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:31.880 Oh no, and she we had left Mormonism, and she 2590 02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:35.800 never had kind of faced some of this stuff without 2591 02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:38.880 like a spiritual story to tell herself, right, right, And 2592 02:10:38.920 --> 02:10:41.119 so she was fine, and she was like for years, 2593 02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:43.600 she's never been depressed, and she just thought, like, I 2594 02:10:43.640 --> 02:10:46.079 don't know the answers, and I'm okay with not knowing. 2595 02:10:46.359 --> 02:10:47.920 I'm just gonna try to be the best person. And 2596 02:10:47.920 --> 02:10:50.359 that's where she was. And she thought she was okay 2597 02:10:50.399 --> 02:10:53.399 with not knowing until she had to face some new 2598 02:10:53.439 --> 02:10:56.520 shit and then it was like, okay, I've actually got 2599 02:10:56.520 --> 02:11:00.399 to explore deeper into the spirit and you can't. Basically 2600 02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:02.600 I'm trying to say, is you can't ignore that. Not 2601 02:11:02.640 --> 02:11:05.439 only is it real, but you can't ignore it. And 2602 02:11:05.479 --> 02:11:08.319 if you do ignore it, life is going to basically 2603 02:11:08.359 --> 02:11:11.079 force you to face it at some point. There's no 2604 02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:14.279 way around it. No one gets out alive, Nobody unless 2605 02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:16.600 I guess you unless you just really did get resided. 2606 02:11:16.600 --> 02:11:18.680 There might be one guy who got out alive, but 2607 02:11:19.840 --> 02:11:20.680 everybody else. 2608 02:11:21.079 --> 02:11:21.960 Might be a few of them. 2609 02:11:22.079 --> 02:11:22.960 We don't know yet. 2610 02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:26.319 Thousands of years ago there could have been Tibetan monks 2611 02:11:26.319 --> 02:11:29.159 who's just like, I'm ready to leave my body. You know, 2612 02:11:29.319 --> 02:11:32.800 you never know, man, that's true, you don't know. I 2613 02:11:32.800 --> 02:11:33.880 think it is impossible. 2614 02:11:34.520 --> 02:11:37.039 So I do want to ask some like I know, 2615 02:11:37.079 --> 02:11:38.960 I'm asking more stuff as a fan of the show, 2616 02:11:40.319 --> 02:11:42.359 So I guess my listeners can just deal with it. 2617 02:11:42.840 --> 02:11:45.880 Your dad was that Your dad was recently on the 2618 02:11:45.880 --> 02:11:49.720 Sean Ryan episode, yeah, or the Shawan Ryan podcast, and 2619 02:11:50.279 --> 02:11:53.800 he said some particularly one big thing that I have 2620 02:11:54.279 --> 02:11:59.439 thought or deduced from consuming all your guys's content in 2621 02:11:59.439 --> 02:12:03.199 his story about this idea, like you said, context with 2622 02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:06.039 people who don't know part of your dad's experience, he 2623 02:12:06.199 --> 02:12:09.239 was told this prophecy, I'm summarizing something around the red 2624 02:12:09.279 --> 02:12:11.880 star of Regulus aligning with the gaze of the Sphinx, 2625 02:12:11.920 --> 02:12:16.319 and that's somewhere around Easter twenty twenty six, right right, Okay. 2626 02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:19.239 And he's talked about this for a long time, and 2627 02:12:19.279 --> 02:12:22.960 there's other cultures that have the age of Aquarius or revelation, 2628 02:12:23.199 --> 02:12:26.399 and this concept of like the switching of ages or 2629 02:12:26.439 --> 02:12:28.119 the apocalypse. 2630 02:12:27.520 --> 02:12:28.720 Has been around him very ancient. 2631 02:12:29.039 --> 02:12:31.920 It's very ancient, and I think we probably had multiples 2632 02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:37.399 of these. But he he came out in a way 2633 02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:40.560 on the Sean Ryan episode that was like more confident 2634 02:12:40.960 --> 02:12:44.399 and straightforward than I've ever heard him talk about, and 2635 02:12:44.479 --> 02:12:47.399 particularly talking about Jesus, which seems like he's been very 2636 02:12:47.399 --> 02:12:51.520 careful about talking about and I know with his background 2637 02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:55.000 in the Christian Church, him not being treated well when 2638 02:12:55.039 --> 02:12:58.239 he talked about So I'm really curious as a fan 2639 02:12:58.279 --> 02:13:02.399 of the show, was intentional on this episode we are 2640 02:13:02.439 --> 02:13:07.079 going to kind of openly say some things, predict some things, 2641 02:13:07.159 --> 02:13:09.800 be more straightforward because in the past he's always been 2642 02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:12.399 like I saw things, I was told things. But I 2643 02:13:12.439 --> 02:13:15.119 don't want to be seen as a prophet. I don't 2644 02:13:15.159 --> 02:13:17.920 want to be say Nike, I don't want to scare people. 2645 02:13:18.119 --> 02:13:20.600 I just want to spread positivity. And he kind of 2646 02:13:21.600 --> 02:13:26.520 kept a certain distance and he closed that distance in 2647 02:13:26.520 --> 02:13:30.119 my opinion on that episode, and I just want to know, 2648 02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:33.239 was that spur of the moment or I just give 2649 02:13:33.239 --> 02:13:34.079 me an insight to me? 2650 02:13:34.159 --> 02:13:37.600 Yeah, I mean there were some things leading up to 2651 02:13:38.239 --> 02:13:41.760 that that I think had emboldened him to speak his 2652 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:46.319 mind a little more clearly, some instances where we were 2653 02:13:46.359 --> 02:13:51.239 experiencing heavy suppression or just straight up like portraying us 2654 02:13:51.359 --> 02:13:53.000 in a very negative way. Not that I want to 2655 02:13:53.000 --> 02:13:56.920 go into specifics, but I'll also say that that conversation 2656 02:13:57.319 --> 02:14:01.119 was misconstrued to a point, and I will say, like 2657 02:14:02.119 --> 02:14:05.079 he made it very clear in the clip that he said, 2658 02:14:05.199 --> 02:14:09.079 but you know, maybe it's the lady, maybe it's the 2659 02:14:09.079 --> 02:14:12.119 heavenly host. I don't know. I just know that a 2660 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:15.439 piece of Heaven is coming here to help us and 2661 02:14:15.479 --> 02:14:18.840 to help us have a better life. And the way 2662 02:14:18.880 --> 02:14:23.199 the conversation on the edited version that is titled the 2663 02:14:23.239 --> 02:14:27.800 Episode We Never Censored, Dad said the return, and Sean 2664 02:14:27.920 --> 02:14:31.279 said of Christ and Dad said, well, yeah, well I 2665 02:14:31.359 --> 02:14:33.000 don't know. But the real. 2666 02:14:32.760 --> 02:14:35.920 Way shared on social media is that he's predicted the 2667 02:14:35.960 --> 02:14:37.039 second coming of Jesus. 2668 02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:41.760 Yeah, well that's that's stupid. It's not the reality, you know, 2669 02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:44.520 And it is what it is that that you know, 2670 02:14:44.720 --> 02:14:50.520 people people hear a line out of a whole thing 2671 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:53.760 and they they go nuts, you know, and it is 2672 02:14:53.800 --> 02:14:56.399 what it is. But yeah, you know, and I will 2673 02:14:56.439 --> 02:14:59.239 tell you sitting in the room while recording, the actual 2674 02:14:59.279 --> 02:15:04.039 conversation was a little different, and actually parts of that 2675 02:15:04.159 --> 02:15:06.760 conversation was why was never going to air in the 2676 02:15:06.760 --> 02:15:11.600 first place. So it's interesting, you know that the actual 2677 02:15:11.800 --> 02:15:16.880 aired product, which aired three days after my tweet, was 2678 02:15:16.920 --> 02:15:18.039 just a little bit misconstrued. 2679 02:15:18.119 --> 02:15:20.600 It was a little bit misconstrued. Yeah, I do. There 2680 02:15:20.680 --> 02:15:22.600 was a new detail that I had never heard. I 2681 02:15:22.640 --> 02:15:24.039 don't know if I missed it in the book or 2682 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:26.600 it wasn't in the book. There's so much information out there, 2683 02:15:26.720 --> 02:15:29.760 but for someone who's been a beating dead horse like 2684 02:15:29.880 --> 02:15:32.840 ravid fan of your story and lots of people's story 2685 02:15:32.880 --> 02:15:36.960 in this space, I had never heard about the medication 2686 02:15:37.359 --> 02:15:40.720 in the like the being that he talked to. 2687 02:15:41.239 --> 02:15:43.439 Yeah, the first medication early book. 2688 02:15:43.960 --> 02:15:45.640 It is it in the book. I must have gotten 2689 02:15:45.720 --> 02:15:49.159 that because you chimed in, because Sean asked, like other 2690 02:15:49.279 --> 02:15:51.479 videos of this or recordings of this, and your dad 2691 02:15:51.560 --> 02:15:53.560 was like, I think my wife has them somewhere. And 2692 02:15:53.600 --> 02:15:55.600 then you chimed in and he's like, oh, Ryan, the 2693 02:15:55.640 --> 02:15:58.800 sun is talking to us, and you said something like yeah, 2694 02:15:58.800 --> 02:16:00.600 he used to just stare at the wall and we 2695 02:16:00.640 --> 02:16:01.079 didn't know. 2696 02:16:02.199 --> 02:16:04.439 Well, you know, I mean he was talking like he was. 2697 02:16:04.439 --> 02:16:06.439 Talking to somebody that we couldn't see. Yeah. 2698 02:16:06.520 --> 02:16:08.840 Yeah, it was just like, oh it all really happened. 2699 02:16:08.840 --> 02:16:10.039 It's like traumatic stuff. 2700 02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:14.479 Yeah, there's just always these new details that come out 2701 02:16:14.520 --> 02:16:17.159 over time. And I thought that episode was really, really good. 2702 02:16:17.199 --> 02:16:20.000 I didn't know that things were taken out or miscontrued. 2703 02:16:20.079 --> 02:16:20.720 I did think that. 2704 02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:23.039 It's titled the episode We Never censored, man. 2705 02:16:23.199 --> 02:16:26.359 I did think that was tongue in response to your 2706 02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:30.479 tweet where he was kind of like saying, he like, 2707 02:16:30.520 --> 02:16:32.559 this is fake news. We didn't. I thought it was 2708 02:16:32.600 --> 02:16:38.840 like a little not degrading, but like condescending. Maybe, yeah, 2709 02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:40.760 that's the vibe. It was a little kind of like 2710 02:16:41.040 --> 02:16:42.760 it's yeah, you know. 2711 02:16:43.879 --> 02:16:48.000 Thank you, thank you awesome. 2712 02:16:48.120 --> 02:16:50.799 It did seem kind of like it was a direct response. 2713 02:16:50.399 --> 02:16:52.360 To your But do you know what I got out 2714 02:16:52.360 --> 02:16:58.520 of that that we are making systematic change, actual systematic change, 2715 02:16:58.680 --> 02:17:00.799 and that the truth is very hard to suppressed anymore. 2716 02:17:02.239 --> 02:17:04.239 You can change it, you can alter it, you can 2717 02:17:04.280 --> 02:17:07.120 maybe cut a conversation to make it look quicker and 2718 02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:10.959 more pointed towards one part, but you know, the truth 2719 02:17:11.040 --> 02:17:11.840 is hard to suppressed. 2720 02:17:11.799 --> 02:17:13.559 It it's only going to last so. 2721 02:17:13.639 --> 02:17:19.639 Yeah, what he actually said was, I don't know the return, 2722 02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:24.040 you know, maybe of maybe the lady will come, maybe 2723 02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:26.600 it's the beings. It's going to be a new knowledge 2724 02:17:26.600 --> 02:17:29.520 that a peace of heaven is coming here. I don't know. 2725 02:17:29.559 --> 02:17:30.600 I can only speculate. 2726 02:17:31.200 --> 02:17:34.159 I'm glad you clarified that, because if someone was pretty familiar, 2727 02:17:34.520 --> 02:17:37.760 I felt like it was slightly out of character. And 2728 02:17:37.799 --> 02:17:39.840 I was like, I mean it, it's not like they 2729 02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:42.840 changed his words, but I'm like, man, the way that 2730 02:17:42.920 --> 02:17:47.159 they would Sean ask like Jesus am I I've never 2731 02:17:47.200 --> 02:17:49.879 heard him say that. But yeah. He also made a 2732 02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:53.079 multiple points on other subjects where he said, I don't know, 2733 02:17:53.120 --> 02:17:56.079 I just think this, like right. He was very careful 2734 02:17:56.120 --> 02:17:58.479 about that the whole time, and I think that's another 2735 02:17:58.520 --> 02:18:01.319 thing that makes me more bullish on your dad's story 2736 02:18:01.479 --> 02:18:04.319 is just the way he talks about things. He's and 2737 02:18:04.360 --> 02:18:07.600 he's also gotten very good at telling the story over 2738 02:18:07.680 --> 02:18:09.879 twenty years. I was good, I've heard this, I've heard 2739 02:18:09.920 --> 02:18:12.399 the river incident so many times at this point, but 2740 02:18:12.479 --> 02:18:16.319 even on that episode and then on the recent episode 2741 02:18:16.360 --> 02:18:21.239 on your podcast, like he's gotten better at putting the 2742 02:18:21.239 --> 02:18:25.840 most important points kind of condensed down to what you need. Yeah, right, 2743 02:18:25.879 --> 02:18:28.120 Whereas the first time I heard him on Richard Dolan, 2744 02:18:28.200 --> 02:18:30.799 it was like five hours and I loved it. I 2745 02:18:30.799 --> 02:18:33.680 want all the content. But you can also hear him 2746 02:18:34.840 --> 02:18:36.799 say that in like a good thirty forty five minutes 2747 02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:38.799 and it's pretty much the gist of it and everything 2748 02:18:38.840 --> 02:18:41.559 you need to know, right, Yeah. 2749 02:18:41.399 --> 02:18:41.840 I thought so. 2750 02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:44.319 I thought the overall thought the Shinewine episode was good. 2751 02:18:44.799 --> 02:18:46.920 I did think that title was a direct kind of 2752 02:18:47.840 --> 02:18:48.600 mini fuck you. 2753 02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:52.159 Thank you. 2754 02:18:53.479 --> 02:18:56.440 I get it. He's a super big you know, he's 2755 02:18:56.520 --> 02:18:59.280 up here and has this huge audience and he's kind 2756 02:18:59.280 --> 02:19:00.719 of like the big dog in the room. I'm like, 2757 02:19:00.760 --> 02:19:01.239 I get it. 2758 02:19:01.319 --> 02:19:03.879 I guess now we're up there on the big audience. 2759 02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:04.520 You know what I'm saying. 2760 02:19:04.680 --> 02:19:07.879 I know, it's like, it's still good. I'm still glad 2761 02:19:07.920 --> 02:19:10.120 to aired. I'm super glad to air, and I think 2762 02:19:10.159 --> 02:19:12.959 I still would recommend people checking it out. Maybe, I 2763 02:19:12.959 --> 02:19:14.360 don't know, do you feel like that's a good one 2764 02:19:14.399 --> 02:19:15.280 for people to check out? 2765 02:19:15.719 --> 02:19:16.280 Yeah? 2766 02:19:16.360 --> 02:19:19.239 Yeah, yeah, why not. I think it's good. 2767 02:19:19.239 --> 02:19:21.680 It's my dad sitting there like telling it, you know, like. 2768 02:19:23.479 --> 02:19:25.920 It's a crazy story. I know, I'm kind of just spitballing. Now, 2769 02:19:25.920 --> 02:19:27.239 I'm so glad to have you for. 2770 02:19:27.559 --> 02:19:29.840 Well, you know what I I there is a two 2771 02:19:29.879 --> 02:19:33.040 hour time difference here, I think because you're in Utah, right, 2772 02:19:33.079 --> 02:19:34.600 so it's like it's getting kind of late for us. 2773 02:19:34.639 --> 02:19:37.159 So but we we I want to ask you one 2774 02:19:37.239 --> 02:19:40.840 final hard hitting question. Okay, I know you didn't expect 2775 02:19:40.879 --> 02:19:44.440 to be asked a question, all right, Really think about 2776 02:19:44.440 --> 02:19:48.760 this because your your entire channel is on the line 2777 02:19:48.799 --> 02:19:49.719 with this answer. 2778 02:19:49.520 --> 02:19:50.280 On the line. 2779 02:19:50.479 --> 02:19:53.159 Well, and not a bad way. I just mean, like 2780 02:19:53.399 --> 02:19:57.399 you know, you're not it's important. This is everything you've 2781 02:19:57.399 --> 02:19:59.280 been working towards. Is this answer right here? 2782 02:19:59.600 --> 02:20:00.319 Okay? 2783 02:20:01.200 --> 02:20:03.000 What's your all time favorite video game? 2784 02:20:04.000 --> 02:20:05.200 My all time favorite game? 2785 02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:09.600 Yes, you asked us? I know I need to know right, 2786 02:20:09.799 --> 02:20:12.520 it's on the line. I need his channel's on the line. 2787 02:20:12.559 --> 02:20:13.520 It's on the line. 2788 02:20:13.600 --> 02:20:13.920 Dude. 2789 02:20:14.079 --> 02:20:16.840 If you don't answer this right, it's over. It's over. 2790 02:20:16.879 --> 02:20:18.520 You lose your channel, you lose everything. 2791 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:25.000 Typically I say a lesser known JRPG called Sue codin two. Wow, 2792 02:20:25.360 --> 02:20:28.280 I don't know it never Yeah, I know, so normally, 2793 02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:31.079 I well, I shouldn't say typically. I don't always say 2794 02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:34.440 that because it's just lesser known and I don't think 2795 02:20:34.479 --> 02:20:38.600 it's the greatest made game. It just for the right 2796 02:20:38.600 --> 02:20:42.280 reasons in the right time hit me. But when I 2797 02:20:42.319 --> 02:20:45.399 want to just talk about one I would know, I 2798 02:20:45.440 --> 02:20:49.360 would say Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. Oh, I can't believe 2799 02:20:49.360 --> 02:20:52.920 that's a real game. I can't believe that game. I mean, 2800 02:20:52.920 --> 02:20:54.959 it got shipped in a terrible state. That kept working 2801 02:20:54.959 --> 02:20:57.040 on it for seven and it was still amazing, and 2802 02:20:57.079 --> 02:20:58.200 it's still amazing, And I. 2803 02:20:58.280 --> 02:20:59.600 In that terrible state, loved it. 2804 02:21:00.040 --> 02:21:01.639 I mean I played on PC when it launched. It 2805 02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:04.479 wasn't that bad. The PS four version was terrible, I guess, 2806 02:21:04.600 --> 02:21:08.159 but and it wasn't. It wasn't which or three. But 2807 02:21:08.239 --> 02:21:10.600 I replayed it recently when the DC came out, I 2808 02:21:10.600 --> 02:21:12.719 went through the whole game from scratch again. It has 2809 02:21:12.760 --> 02:21:16.159 the most hours they've ever put into game. It's not 2810 02:21:16.239 --> 02:21:18.840 the most emotional I've ever been. It's not the most 2811 02:21:20.239 --> 02:21:25.760 fun or social thing, but it is my appreciation for 2812 02:21:25.799 --> 02:21:28.520 the art of video games. I just fucking loved video 2813 02:21:28.559 --> 02:21:30.680 I mean that's all. I make video game content all day. 2814 02:21:30.760 --> 02:21:33.440 Like I love video games because I think that they 2815 02:21:33.479 --> 02:21:37.319 are essentially a meta art. They're an aggregate art. They 2816 02:21:37.360 --> 02:21:39.920 take all the traditional art forms that we've loved together 2817 02:21:40.159 --> 02:21:42.440 and they put them together. You know, music's been around forever, 2818 02:21:42.520 --> 02:21:45.799 Art's been around together, Painting has been around, stories, stories 2819 02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:48.479 have been around since the dawn of time. That the 2820 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:51.920 oldest art form. They put it all together, and then 2821 02:21:51.920 --> 02:21:54.879 they add this new element which is more modern, which 2822 02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:57.520 is the art form of creating a gameplay loop, like 2823 02:21:57.680 --> 02:22:02.399 interactive loop. So they just take all the different art 2824 02:22:02.399 --> 02:22:04.399 forms together. And when you look at the scope of 2825 02:22:04.479 --> 02:22:08.239 Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven of what they were able to act, 2826 02:22:08.360 --> 02:22:11.840 to accomplish and put together, the density, the amount of lines, 2827 02:22:11.879 --> 02:22:13.680 the amount of art direction, the amount of music, the 2828 02:22:13.680 --> 02:22:16.200 amount of the amount of shit that no one will 2829 02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:19.479 ever see. But in that game, it's mind boggling. It 2830 02:22:19.600 --> 02:22:20.719 is mind boggling. 2831 02:22:20.959 --> 02:22:21.760 You can just sit in. 2832 02:22:21.719 --> 02:22:24.319 One spot and listen to two NPCs talk for like 2833 02:22:24.360 --> 02:22:26.200 two hours and you'll never hear that. They don't repeat, 2834 02:22:26.360 --> 02:22:31.159 They don't fucking repeat. That's just it's crazy. All the 2835 02:22:31.239 --> 02:22:31.959 NPCs are like. 2836 02:22:32.520 --> 02:22:34.360 It's so weird. I was gonna say, like, if you 2837 02:22:34.440 --> 02:22:36.719 are just in like the middle of like a city 2838 02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:39.280 center in that game and you just stand still and 2839 02:22:39.319 --> 02:22:40.799 look around, you're. 2840 02:22:40.680 --> 02:22:43.239 Like what the fuck. 2841 02:22:43.479 --> 02:22:44.239 Yeah, it's real. 2842 02:22:44.440 --> 02:22:48.479 This is a real place that the people move authentically, 2843 02:22:48.520 --> 02:22:51.440 they interact with each other. There's like people selling shit 2844 02:22:51.520 --> 02:22:54.360 to NPCs, Like shit is just happening around you, and 2845 02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:57.840 you're like, this would be doing this if I wasn't here. Yeah, 2846 02:22:58.200 --> 02:23:00.639 which is that's a huge thing in game. That's one 2847 02:23:00.680 --> 02:23:03.120 of the reasons that I think Skyrim was such a 2848 02:23:03.120 --> 02:23:05.920 big deal and it was so shocking and amazing to 2849 02:23:05.959 --> 02:23:08.440 people because it felt like that it was. 2850 02:23:08.399 --> 02:23:10.159 Kind of like that first game where it's like, oh, 2851 02:23:10.200 --> 02:23:11.959 you see that over there, you can go to it? Yes, 2852 02:23:13.479 --> 02:23:16.799 like advertisements exactly, that mountain over there, you can go 2853 02:23:16.879 --> 02:23:17.120 to it. 2854 02:23:18.079 --> 02:23:20.719 The also the three Reveal of Sky. 2855 02:23:21.319 --> 02:23:23.360 You see that mountain, you can go to that mountain. 2856 02:23:24.120 --> 02:23:26.159 I'm glad you brought up the NPC point. That's when 2857 02:23:26.159 --> 02:23:29.239 I brought up a few times. I remember sitting and 2858 02:23:29.280 --> 02:23:34.319 listening to NPC's argue politics in like the in game lore, 2859 02:23:34.479 --> 02:23:36.360 Like I like, I kind of knew who one of 2860 02:23:36.399 --> 02:23:38.520 the candidates were from some of the notes I read, 2861 02:23:38.879 --> 02:23:41.920 but they were having this argument about politics, like fake 2862 02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:44.959 politics in the world of cyberpunk in night City, and 2863 02:23:45.000 --> 02:23:47.559 like what was going on with the different countries. I 2864 02:23:47.639 --> 02:23:49.680 just sat there and like listen to them waiting for 2865 02:23:49.799 --> 02:23:53.879 it to loop, and they just kept talking. I'm not 2866 02:23:53.879 --> 02:23:56.200 going to sit here and wait forever. But okay, you 2867 02:23:56.280 --> 02:23:59.079 got me like you went longer than I'm willing to 2868 02:23:59.120 --> 02:24:00.319 wait to see. 2869 02:24:01.280 --> 02:24:01.959 That's amazing. 2870 02:24:02.440 --> 02:24:04.840 The game is so good, dude. I need I need 2871 02:24:04.879 --> 02:24:07.520 to finish it for sure. Another one of those games 2872 02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:09.719 that I just never finished because it's like I don't 2873 02:24:09.760 --> 02:24:11.959 want it to end, and then I just never ended. 2874 02:24:12.479 --> 02:24:15.559 I have one more recommendation and I'll let you guys go. Okay, 2875 02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:16.840 have you played Last of. 2876 02:24:16.799 --> 02:24:19.120 Us two or Last No, I haven't played either. 2877 02:24:19.440 --> 02:24:22.079 Okay, you definitely have to play Last of Us one first, 2878 02:24:22.760 --> 02:24:25.000 or you could watch the show get the same kind of. 2879 02:24:25.079 --> 02:24:27.000 Just I saw the first episode. I thought it was 2880 02:24:27.040 --> 02:24:27.520 really cool. 2881 02:24:27.639 --> 02:24:33.559 Okay, Last of Us two is the It made me legitimately, 2882 02:24:33.879 --> 02:24:36.719 maybe not full weep, but pretty close to like an 2883 02:24:36.760 --> 02:24:40.799 actual but like a weep, like a rough, ugly cry. 2884 02:24:42.639 --> 02:24:46.920 And it's around father son, father daughter themes. And I 2885 02:24:46.959 --> 02:24:48.680 know you said that with God of War, Nick, that 2886 02:24:48.760 --> 02:24:52.000 was a big one for you. But in order to 2887 02:24:52.000 --> 02:24:54.239 have the full impact of that moment, and that's all 2888 02:24:54.280 --> 02:24:57.000 I'm going to say, is you have to play through 2889 02:24:57.079 --> 02:25:01.399 one because it's two is a direct sequel. But if 2890 02:25:01.440 --> 02:25:04.680 you do that, it's probably like twelve hours thirteen hours 2891 02:25:04.719 --> 02:25:07.360 for game one and maybe fifteen to eighteen hours for 2892 02:25:07.440 --> 02:25:10.840 game two. You're talking fifty hour commitment. Yeah, to have 2893 02:25:11.280 --> 02:25:17.440 I think the most emotionally, it's if you're judging art 2894 02:25:17.520 --> 02:25:21.840 by its ability to elicit in an emotional reaction, this 2895 02:25:21.920 --> 02:25:23.559 might be the goat for me. 2896 02:25:23.719 --> 02:25:25.479 Yeah, it's extremely emotional. 2897 02:25:25.840 --> 02:25:30.360 It I just didn't they weren't that positive emotions, So like, 2898 02:25:30.360 --> 02:25:32.440 I don't ever want to do it again. Yeah right, 2899 02:25:33.399 --> 02:25:35.639 It's like that movie was amazing, but I don't want to. 2900 02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:36.879 I've seen it once is enough. 2901 02:25:38.840 --> 02:25:44.040 Yeah, yeah, no, they're those games are notoriously gut wrenching. Yeah, 2902 02:25:44.120 --> 02:25:46.600 like in terms of emotion, they will rip your heart 2903 02:25:46.639 --> 02:25:50.440 out and blend them and yeah no that that kind 2904 02:25:50.440 --> 02:25:53.559 of stuff. That's like, you gotta give me a happy ending, dude, 2905 02:25:53.600 --> 02:25:56.319 come on now, Yeah. 2906 02:25:55.719 --> 02:25:58.239 It's happy in the bitter sweet the world is gray 2907 02:25:58.680 --> 02:26:02.040 sort of way. Where can people find you? I mean 2908 02:26:02.079 --> 02:26:04.000 all the ship will be in the podcast description, but 2909 02:26:04.319 --> 02:26:05.000 plug your ship? 2910 02:26:06.520 --> 02:26:09.360 Let's I like that? 2911 02:26:09.600 --> 02:26:09.959 I like that. 2912 02:26:10.440 --> 02:26:11.479 It's interesting phrase. 2913 02:26:11.639 --> 02:26:18.239 Yeah, I really liked it, said so everywhere Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, 2914 02:26:18.440 --> 02:26:21.920 all that stuff, And we have our personal socials and 2915 02:26:22.000 --> 02:26:24.760 our producer Alex, who's usually on camera on microphone, but 2916 02:26:24.799 --> 02:26:26.840 when we do guest spots he's not because it's like 2917 02:26:26.879 --> 02:26:29.479 a whole other equipment ordeal to, you know, do the 2918 02:26:29.559 --> 02:26:32.680 virtual thing. But Alex is on the show too, and 2919 02:26:32.879 --> 02:26:37.479 all of our individual socials are linked to our podcast. 2920 02:26:37.479 --> 02:26:39.319 Social bloods have said so, so you can find us 2921 02:26:39.319 --> 02:26:43.520 all there by going to Blodsu said so on Instagram. 2922 02:26:43.680 --> 02:26:48.079 Badass again, I've had a I had an ORB experience. 2923 02:26:48.200 --> 02:26:50.559 I think these guys are telling the truth. I think 2924 02:26:50.639 --> 02:26:52.319 what you think, what you do, and what you say 2925 02:26:52.399 --> 02:26:56.159 matters and the just like what you eat today will 2926 02:26:56.200 --> 02:26:59.840 impact how your body looks tomorrow. I think what absolutely, 2927 02:27:00.120 --> 02:27:02.280 I think what you think, say and do today will 2928 02:27:02.319 --> 02:27:06.319 impact wherever we are after we die, and I think 2929 02:27:06.360 --> 02:27:11.040 it's important. So otherwise, keep I'm just going to keep 2930 02:27:11.120 --> 02:27:12.959 joking about a fake gaming religion with me and Mo 2931 02:27:12.959 --> 02:27:14.840 out of the fire, kle Juman, Decign, and Carmak the 2932 02:27:14.879 --> 02:27:17.159 Holy Ghost. Amen and enjoy the show. 2933 02:27:17.200 --> 02:27:21.760 Bye bye bye, guys. What up bomies. 2934 02:27:22.040 --> 02:27:24.159 If you like the show and want more, check out 2935 02:27:24.200 --> 02:27:26.399 Patreon dot com slash bledso said So. 2936 02:27:26.799 --> 02:27:29.760 This will get you exclusive weekly bonus shows and access 2937 02:27:29.760 --> 02:27:32.799 to our Discord community with hundreds of open minded people 2938 02:27:33.000 --> 02:27:33.479 just like you. 2939 02:27:33.959 --> 02:27:36.680 If you want to represent the show, go to bledsosaidso 2940 02:27:36.760 --> 02:27:40.000 dot com for merch. 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