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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, I guess to the Double Swapcast with Gamming
Speaker 3: Memories Part Bledsoe said, So the Gaming Memories fans will
Speaker 3: have already heard a little bit of an intro, but
Speaker 3: I just want to get right into it. The prophets
Speaker 3: the gods have commanded me to interview creative and interesting
Speaker 3: people about their favorite gaming memories growing up. And we
Speaker 3: have Ryan and Nick and their producer Alex, who I
Speaker 3: think is part of the show as well. You should
Speaker 3: cut the hand on camera.
Speaker 2: He's controlling it, dude, and he's too shy.
Speaker 3: They're one of my favorite podcasts, and I listened. I've
Speaker 3: listened to probably like legitimately, like seventy five eighty percent
Speaker 3: of the episodes a lot. I've listened to a lot.
Speaker 3: I catch up with them. They're great driving anytime I
Speaker 3: drive to my in laws, it's sort of tradition. It's spled,
Speaker 3: so said so on the way there and the way back.
Speaker 3: Catch up. Yeah, but I want I want you guys
Speaker 3: to explain what makes you the podcasts and each of
Speaker 3: you and your story creative and interested.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't even know where to again tell the
Speaker 2: people who you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we'll start with like a little bit
Speaker 1: of a background. So basically, back in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: my family started having experiences with these like really strange phenomenon.
Speaker 1: It was it was beings, you know, beings of light,
Speaker 1: and as crazy as that sounds, it's like being talked
Speaker 1: about all over the world right now. It's like a
Speaker 1: really hot subject, you know.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Basically it flipped our lives upside down. And very shortly
Speaker 1: after we had the initial experiences, me and my siblings
Speaker 1: were children. It started with my dad and my oldest brother,
Speaker 1: who was seventeen at the time. I was thirteen, my
Speaker 1: other brother fifteen, My sister was like ten, and my
Speaker 1: dad and my brother were out fishing on the Cape
Speaker 1: River and they came close to or face to face
Speaker 1: with these beings that had glowing red eyes, and they
Speaker 1: were like literally their bodies were glowing like the color
Speaker 1: of the moon, and you know, they saw all kinds
Speaker 1: of ufo phenomenon that looked like these massive egg shaped
Speaker 1: or my dad would say, like it looked like an
Speaker 1: egg shape or a teardrop shape or a football like
Speaker 1: he always had these, Like he couldn't put his finger
Speaker 1: on it. But it was oblong, you know, like kind
Speaker 1: of ovular, and it had these like you could say,
Speaker 1: like tentacles of light just like flowing all around. It
Speaker 1: was really weird. It was really kind of Eldridge looking,
Speaker 1: you know, and came really close to them, and it
Speaker 1: was just like a bone chilling night. And I'm really
Speaker 1: paraphrasing the original event because I'm getting to like the
Speaker 1: podcast and you know where we are today, right, So
Speaker 1: long story short after I would say about ten months
Speaker 1: after that night that changed our lives, we would be
Speaker 1: as a family sitting down together watching TV. Because this
Speaker 1: was a day that was really pre social media. Facebook
Speaker 1: had only been out for a few years. YouTube had
Speaker 1: just come out in like two thousand and six. People
Speaker 1: didn't have smartphones. It was a really like unplugged world,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And we're like, where do
Speaker 1: we learn about this? How do we find information? So
Speaker 1: we would watch UFO shows on TV as a family.
Speaker 1: Me and my other siblings had already been seeing an
Speaker 1: orb phenomenon and things in the sky and we knew
Speaker 1: it was real. So we're like, we gotta learn, we
Speaker 1: gotta learn. And anyway, long story short, one night we
Speaker 1: were watching the show UFO Files and there was a
Speaker 1: little blurb at the bottom of the screen at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode that said, if you've had a sighting,
Speaker 1: go to move on dot com. So Dad reports of
Speaker 1: sighting at move on dot com and we had no
Speaker 1: clue that it was like a CIA front where they
Speaker 1: were gathering data on civilians who were having paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1: So cut to just like six seven months later, they're
Speaker 1: at our property, the Discovery Channel is filming a documentary.
Speaker 1: It was like a front operation with CIA and di
Speaker 1: IA operatives sent in to like make our story look
Speaker 1: really bad, smear us, and move on. And what they
Speaker 1: never anticipated is that we would keep having experiences and
Speaker 1: that the intensity would ramp up and that it would
Speaker 1: not go away, you know, And here we are today.
Speaker 1: It's like the most researched, vetted, attempted to debunk anything
Speaker 1: you can think of that the government would do, They've tried,
Speaker 1: and now it's to the point today where like the
Speaker 1: official story coming forward from the government is virtually identical
Speaker 1: to our story. It's crazy, but yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: just grown and gotten crazier by the year, So.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I wonder. I don't want to turn this
Speaker 3: into like just your the story because we could go
Speaker 3: for hours and hours and hours. But I'm aulco trying
Speaker 3: to wondering how much context maybe people would be interested in.
Speaker 3: I just like, I've been listening to your podcast for
Speaker 3: a long time. I found your dad initially on his
Speaker 3: four part series interview with Richard Dolan. I think they're
Speaker 3: from like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I don't know how
Speaker 3: old they are.
Speaker 1: They're old, yeah, like twenty nineteen, Maybee.
Speaker 3: Nineteen maybe, And I had it. I was deep into
Speaker 3: the UFO topic or the UAP topic because I had
Speaker 3: a siding in high school. And then the twenty seventeen
Speaker 3: New York Times articles sort of allowed me to give
Speaker 3: myself mental permission to revisit that. Like I'm not crazy,
Speaker 3: you know, I did see something and then I became obsessed,
Speaker 3: and I think I've I've told Ryan this before. I
Speaker 3: was obsessed for a good three to four years and
Speaker 3: never came across your Dad's name. But I'm listening to
Speaker 3: every night, going for a walk three to four hours,
Speaker 3: just UAP podcast, just whatever name I could come up,
Speaker 3: but everything but your Dolan had then I would type
Speaker 3: in something like Jocks Vallet, all right, let me listen
Speaker 3: to everything that he's talked about, Okay, Lou Alesondo, Okay,
Speaker 3: George Knap, Okay, Jeremy Code, everybody, everybody that I get
Speaker 3: a hold of. And I don't I think it was
Speaker 3: Lou Alesondo. Like way later that was just mentioned the
Speaker 3: name like Ledsoe, and I was like, that name sticks
Speaker 3: to your head. I'm like, I've never heard of an
Speaker 3: experiencer called Ledsoe. I thought I've thought I was pretty
Speaker 3: well versed in this. I found him on that four
Speaker 3: part series and I definitely was open to the idea initially,
Speaker 3: but I wanted to say that I believe you guys.
Speaker 3: Number one, I've told you this one hundred percent, believe
Speaker 3: your story. I think you guys are saying what you've experienced.
Speaker 3: And I think if someone honestly listens to the scope
Speaker 3: of all the different content they could over time you'll
Speaker 3: realize that these people are being genuine, They're talking about
Speaker 3: the experiences they've had, and you'll see it not in
Speaker 3: the details like, oh, you know, it's cool that the
Speaker 3: DIA or the DoD and all these people have come
Speaker 3: and there's receipts for that. What really put me over
Speaker 3: the edge is hearing you and your siblings talk about
Speaker 3: it on the podcast Cool interesting you can kind of
Speaker 3: like I have siblings, I have family, I have friends.
Speaker 3: And when you hear like you and Chris chumming it
Speaker 3: up and talking about like why he didn't talk about
Speaker 3: it for so long, and there was like something he
Speaker 3: said on the episode for those who need context, the
Speaker 3: brother that experienced this with his dad didn't really talk
Speaker 3: about it for a long time. And then I think
Speaker 3: the first time he talked about it was on your podcast.
Speaker 1: Right for the most part, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And he made he talked. He said something about like
Speaker 3: the being scaring him. He's like, yeah, that's why I
Speaker 3: say stay strapped, yo. Yeah, you know, like, and I
Speaker 3: was just could just tell like he had this experience
Speaker 3: he was talking about like this is genuine. And the
Speaker 3: one that really really solidified it for me was hearing
Speaker 3: your little sister who was like nine or ten at
Speaker 3: the time, and I have an eight and a nine
Speaker 3: year old daughter, and hearing her it wasn't about the
Speaker 3: orbs and all that stuff. What stuck out to her
Speaker 3: as a ten year old girl or nine year old
Speaker 3: girl was one day my dad was different. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: had my dad before and we had this relationship and
Speaker 3: I played the piano, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it was like Dad was just staring out at the
Speaker 3: sky all day and he was different and he was depressed,
Speaker 3: and all this stuff started happening, and people started this
Speaker 3: around us, started treating us different. Because she's little, she
Speaker 3: doesn't get it right, she doesn't quite and that like
Speaker 3: I could see my own daughter being like, that's how
Speaker 3: she would process it too, if this happened to me,
Speaker 3: and it was those kind of details that to me
Speaker 3: are more I mean, I don't want to say more compelling.
Speaker 3: You got to have receipts and all the other stuff
Speaker 3: you've talked about, But I think it's the human element.
Speaker 3: If you're open and you listen to you guys interact
Speaker 3: and you realize these are just people like me, and
Speaker 3: this is how I would talk about it, right, that's
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the real shit. Like people can hear about
Speaker 2: like the receipts and who's been around and who's who's who.
Speaker 2: You know, who they've talked to and who's shown up
Speaker 2: and whatever. At the end of the day, that's just information.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just data. It's just information. You hear
Speaker 2: them talk about it, or you spend time around them,
Speaker 2: or yet just hear them tell their story, it's there's
Speaker 2: there's no doubt whatsoever. I mean also, like you know,
Speaker 2: I've been around them for many, many years and I've
Speaker 2: seen stuff myself, so it's but I don't obviously have
Speaker 2: any problem believing, and I've seen it many many times.
Speaker 3: But that's the other thing. When you hear like friends
Speaker 3: like I've heard you and Ryan chum it up just
Speaker 3: the same way me and my friends would chumme up
Speaker 3: about like an old memory where everyone agrees what happened,
Speaker 3: but they had slightly different perspectives or things that stoock out.
Speaker 3: And then you know, like this is the same way
Speaker 3: when I talked to my friends, like do you remember
Speaker 3: when X, Y and Z happened?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, actually this happened before that, and this detail
Speaker 3: stood out. I'm like, this is It's just it became
Speaker 3: obvious to me over time, like oh my god, like
Speaker 3: I believed because I was already into the subject. It
Speaker 3: had an experience, but there's just this level where it's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it like settles in. Yeah, and I think people
Speaker 2: can connect and feel like when it's real. I mean
Speaker 2: you're describing it right now. It's it's legitimate, like you know,
Speaker 2: people can connect to the story and it's it is.
Speaker 2: It's that's how you really know if something's legit. You
Speaker 2: can feel it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, you reminded me of us growing up
Speaker 1: when you said after you had your experience and you
Speaker 1: were obsessed for four years and you were like listening
Speaker 1: to every podcast you could find.
Speaker 3: That was us.
Speaker 1: That was us watching TV in two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, we're watching UFO file. I
Speaker 1: was trying to learn what we could learn, you know,
Speaker 1: And that was just funny little parallel there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've you've brought up Also, I always forget you've
Speaker 3: said the story, like two or three times we talked
Speaker 3: about on the phone. It was Fallout three you were
Speaker 3: playing the first time NASA showed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was playing fall Out three and there was
Speaker 1: a ring at the door and it was this guy
Speaker 1: from NASA. Hal Pabomer, and he's just like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm with the NASA Press Corps and I came from
Speaker 1: Canaveral hoping to meet Chris Bledsoe is just Bledsoe residents.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, me, called my dad, you know,
Speaker 1: like honestly, like you know, mom, NASA's here, someone from
Speaker 1: NASA's here, and we get him on the phone, and
Speaker 1: then it was that's just like keeping busy. I'll be
Speaker 1: there in an hour.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He was out on the town somewhere, and from then on,
Speaker 1: government was just in our lives still, like literally still
Speaker 1: to this day, like asking us questions, investigating, sometimes doing research,
Speaker 1: sometimes doing scientific investigations, things like that. I mean it literally,
Speaker 1: like I want to stress to your audience, like it
Speaker 1: not only never ceased, but year over year it rent
Speaker 1: up still to this day where now you can go
Speaker 1: and look at the latest whistleblowers from the government and
Speaker 1: their story sounds literally identical to ours. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: elements of theirs that are different, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, like it's it's kind of hard to deny
Speaker 1: at this point that like you know, it's real, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, of course I know that, but the people
Speaker 1: looking at this, it's like you put two and two together,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, you know they're the government
Speaker 1: story is literally just like theirs, Like how.
Speaker 2: Else the story they've been telling for almost twenty years
Speaker 2: now right at eighteen just we're just past like eighteen years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always had the feeling that if someone took
Speaker 3: an honest look at the subject in general and looked
Speaker 3: at all the different experiences, all the different sightings, the
Speaker 3: just the sheer volume just in America, and then if
Speaker 3: you dive into Brazil, South America, France, Russia, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of good information that comes out of there, like
Speaker 3: people have been having experiences that are unexplainable forever, and
Speaker 3: that ties into from my understanding, this experience your family
Speaker 3: had helped guide you guys to this direction of being.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say focused on, but I would
Speaker 3: classify your podcast as a spiritual podcast more than oh
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, so it's like esoteric stuff. I remember
Speaker 3: like getting really interested in the Rosa Crucian stuff when
Speaker 3: you did a couple episodes on that, and then you
Speaker 3: did an episode on theosophy, and I started reading about
Speaker 3: theosophy and then like looking at books and like the
Speaker 3: Keys of solom and like demons and angels, and it's
Speaker 3: just cool. It's all really really cool. It's like Lord
Speaker 3: of the Rings, but maybe it's true.
Speaker 1: You know, say Lord of the Rings a lot lately.
Speaker 2: It's true, dude, it's dope and ship. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Definitely not a UFO show. Yes, even though our logos
Speaker 1: are UFO. I'm wearing a UFO, we talk about UFOs.
Speaker 1: We are not a UFO show. We are people that
Speaker 1: genuinely have had thousands and thousands and thousands of UFO
Speaker 1: experiences and we're like, all right, let's break this down.
Speaker 1: You know, where does this come from? How can we
Speaker 1: explain this from a different lens? You know, And we're
Speaker 1: exploring all of these topics in the periphery of the
Speaker 1: reality of UFO experiences, you know. So that's yeah, we
Speaker 1: are kind of like a spiritual show. It's like a
Speaker 1: metaphysical hot pot of all these different topics. And we
Speaker 1: talk video games and you know, movies and all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because you start to kind of figure out
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of overlap between like esoteric occult
Speaker 2: mysticism like that that type of shit and pop culture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and oh my god, it's everywhere. It's everything in pop
Speaker 2: ct everything, TV, movies, video games, like fiction, like everything,
Speaker 2: everything is steeped in it. And then, like, you know,
Speaker 2: towards the beginning of us doing the show, we were
Speaker 2: doing a lot of that. That was like, that was
Speaker 2: like ninety percent of the show first. Yeah, at first
Speaker 2: it was mostly like relating the occult mysticism stuff to
Speaker 2: pop culture, and we started to be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's endless. It's the it, it never ends the you know,
Speaker 2: and uh, we started kind of exploring like why what's happening?
Speaker 2: Like why is everything occult? Why is everything symbolic?
Speaker 1: Is it intentional?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is it subconscious?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: I mean we like to explore that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the big things that we've been
Speaker 2: kind of trying to figure out is is it is
Speaker 2: it intentional? Are these people like initiated with this information
Speaker 2: and they're trying to intentionally spread it to people for
Speaker 2: good or otherwise, or are they receiving these like subconscious
Speaker 2: downloads of this information and it's just leaking into their art.
Speaker 2: I think there's examples of both, yeah.
Speaker 1: For sure. And Aaronovsky is an example.
Speaker 2: Of intentional a thousand percent or Kubrick. But then you
Speaker 2: have what's his name, Hideakiano, the guy who made Evan Gelian.
Speaker 2: I don't know his name, but yeah, like he says, like, no,
Speaker 2: he says it was unintentional.
Speaker 1: But then if you research him, he was in a
Speaker 1: cult a spiritual.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know nothing about none of that stuff, dude,
Speaker 2: I just thought it looked cool. Yeah, it's yea, what
Speaker 2: the fuck, Like, what are we talking about here?
Speaker 1: It's bro anytime it Japanese creator uses like Christian biblical symbolism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's researching, yes, yeah, you know it's intentional, it's
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, and it's it's just cool. We we
Speaker 2: love exploring that that overlap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then eventually we hit a point where we like,
Speaker 1: even though we still do some of the pop culture stuff,
Speaker 1: we hit a point where we were like, let's explore
Speaker 1: the source.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, let's get more into the source first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's dive into Rosicrucianism, you know. And it's like,
Speaker 1: what you're just talking about, And we've we've done a
Speaker 1: lot of that too, so it's it's really we just
Speaker 1: have fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I think a little bit of
Speaker 3: both when it comes to pop culture and art.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The speaking of the Rosicution episode that inspired I have
Speaker 3: a music project that you guys also, by the way,
Speaker 3: you guys do twice born a band. We should plug that. Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: you got a badass fucking metal band. Yeah good. If
Speaker 3: you like heavy rifts, if you're.
Speaker 2: Into really annoying heavy music, you probably like it. Uh,
Speaker 2: we've been working lately too.
Speaker 3: So it's pretty heavy. Like you guys stepped me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like we tone it down, Yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 2: We don't go all the way.
Speaker 1: No, we did try to tone it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to reel it in sometimes. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we have fun with it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that Rosa Cuscian episode. I was starting
Speaker 3: a new music project. It's all dark, electronic, and I
Speaker 3: feel like a whole it was so inspiring. I just
Speaker 3: basically I took that little bit and kind of built
Speaker 3: a fake cult religion sort of loosely based around your guys.
Speaker 3: Is you know what's crazy? I mean they did it
Speaker 3: first and did it best in the huge. When we
Speaker 3: started the project, I didn't know who they were, and
Speaker 3: we put out our first single, Veylip One of the
Speaker 3: first things we got back was like, you guys remind
Speaker 3: me of sleep Token, and I'm like, who's this? And
Speaker 3: then I discovered one of the greatest coolest bands of
Speaker 3: all time.
Speaker 2: They're Dope.
Speaker 3: They're They're Dope. My my niece, my brother is the
Speaker 3: other guy in the group. My niece's daughter. She said,
Speaker 3: he sounds like he sings incursive.
Speaker 1: Yet on the Internet.
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool. I think that's a good But anyway,
Speaker 3: the point being is I'm not near as knowledgeable about
Speaker 3: the occult as you are, and other people I just
Speaker 3: pick up. I think it's fascinating, kind of like I
Speaker 3: think Darth Vader's cool, but I don't want to act
Speaker 3: like Darth Vader. But I want to look like Darth
Speaker 3: Vader and be cool like Darth Vader.
Speaker 2: So you get into that same boat. I'm in the
Speaker 2: same boat as you. Like, Ryan is the info guy.
Speaker 2: He's got all the info. He does all the deep
Speaker 2: dive and all the info, and I'm just like, that's
Speaker 2: sick as fun, dude, like that. That's my whole role
Speaker 2: on the show is to just be like, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I'm not even that knowledgeable in the occult. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I just talk about things that interest me at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I don't have No, you do have
Speaker 2: a genuine like seeker personality and mindset where you you
Speaker 2: actually really are compelled to dig and find this information,
Speaker 2: like right now, You've always been that way, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: you just talk about it. Yeah, and then I'm kind
Speaker 2: of here to be like the bridge between that and
Speaker 2: the audience.
Speaker 3: You are a good like liaison between the listener who
Speaker 3: maybe needs someone to ask a question because we don't follow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Pretty good anyway, the point I don't even remember what
Speaker 3: I was saying, but oh yeah, the people will sometimes respond,
Speaker 3: and I'm extrapling to your question about how much of
Speaker 3: pop culture and a cult is intentional versus seeping through.
Speaker 3: And maybe it seeps through in a way where you
Speaker 3: don't really know the details. You just kind of like something,
Speaker 3: you're drawn to, something you think it's cool, and then
Speaker 3: other people will tease out details that you never intended.
Speaker 3: But in hindsight, you're like, those details are kind of there,
Speaker 3: but it sort of happened. I didn't master plan this,
Speaker 3: It just sort of worked out that way. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that might be the seeping thing, because I think some Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I probably come across like there's
Speaker 3: some sort of master plan about this brand or this
Speaker 3: this music project. But really it's like I think this
Speaker 3: is cool. I think what Ryan talked about is cool.
Speaker 3: I think with this guy talked about its cool. I
Speaker 3: kind of put him together, mix it with this imagery,
Speaker 3: like as far as I'm thinking, is it cool? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, this is cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of the that's kind of the way.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a way. It is a very effective way,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, to do art in general, Like just
Speaker 2: collect a bunch of shit that you think is cool
Speaker 2: and put it together in a new way.
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: How it's like not necessarily intentional, but coming from somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this morning, when I rolled out of bed, as
Speaker 1: you know I do, I first wake up, I'm fuzzy,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let me look at my phone for
Speaker 1: a few minutes. I'm not ready to get up, you
Speaker 1: know how it goes. I'm not really a morning person.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at my phone this morning and I
Speaker 1: told my wife. I was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is so crazy. There was another video game just announced
Speaker 1: that is like a triple A title where you fight
Speaker 1: King Arthur and the Knights.
Speaker 2: Of Oh that shit looks sick. What was it called? Bro?
Speaker 1: There's two of them.
Speaker 2: There's two.
Speaker 1: There's two games in the last week or two that
Speaker 1: were just announced.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: There's one of the one I know. It was just
Speaker 3: now to the stated play like.
Speaker 1: Yes, there was a Chinese one. That's the one I
Speaker 1: just saw. And then there was another one I saw
Speaker 1: last week that's exactly like Hades, but it's a four
Speaker 1: player co op and instead of it being the Greek gods,
Speaker 1: it's Arthur and the Roundtable.
Speaker 2: You know, haes, I've been playing it lately.
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be a King Arthur one that's four
Speaker 1: player co op where you are fighting literally the Knights
Speaker 1: of the Round Table.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not the one that's in third person,
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Then I saw the other the one I saw this morning.
Speaker 1: I saw that or yesterday morning was the third person.
Speaker 1: And I got out of bed and I was like, Ginny,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking about. Tell me how this
Speaker 1: is a subject that you rarely, if ever see in games,
Speaker 1: And now in the last week, there's like two games
Speaker 1: that are about King Arthur in the Holy Grail and
Speaker 1: the Knights of the Round Table. There's some force somewhere
Speaker 1: that's like, all right, turn the dial on this archetype.
Speaker 2: You know, you always see it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: There does seem to be like trends in pop culture.
Speaker 3: It it's like you have a wave of this subject
Speaker 3: matter or this archetype or this theme, and then they
Speaker 3: kind of ebb and flow and come in cycles. I
Speaker 3: think you guys have been on this dude's show. He's
Speaker 3: from salt Lake, the Isaac Weisap.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh, he's the best.
Speaker 3: He's salt Lake dude. He's been following this occultazing.
Speaker 1: He's how I learned about this. He's my big inspiration,
Speaker 1: one of them. I love Isaac.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's that's a good podcast.
Speaker 3: If people are interested in that, we can definitely get
Speaker 3: into more. He he just did one on the whatever
Speaker 3: the most recent awards ceremony was. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: He just did one on the super Bowl on the Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he did one on the Grammy Suit. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love his stuff. He's awesome, Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 3: Now, if you if people were gonna, if I was gonna
Speaker 3: recommend an episode for the podcast for us when to
Speaker 3: check out, which one should they check out? What would
Speaker 3: you recommend our show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I would probably just say that's.
Speaker 2: Tough, That is tough. I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Maybe the recent one with dad, because I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that, honestly is because it's
Speaker 1: relevant to what's going on in the world. But also
Speaker 1: within that episode we talk about have you heard it yet?
Speaker 3: Kid? Which one the recent one.
Speaker 1: With my dad? Yeah, I would recommend that one because
Speaker 1: in that episode, not only do we talk about our
Speaker 1: experiences and how it relates to what's going on in
Speaker 1: the world, but we also give a really big broad
Speaker 1: overview of the phenomenon, meaning the UFO phenomenon, how it
Speaker 1: has morphed throughout history, and how our experiences as a
Speaker 1: family have ramped up over time to where at the
Speaker 1: end of that episode, Nick literally even said, Wow, this
Speaker 1: conversation felt like when I was a kid at your
Speaker 1: house again and we would just talk about this stuff
Speaker 1: all night.
Speaker 2: To really did like for a second, I was having
Speaker 2: like deja vu.
Speaker 1: I think that episode with the recent one with my
Speaker 1: dad is probably like the most candid conversation that he's
Speaker 1: ever given publicly. Not that our show is only about
Speaker 1: my dad or only about talking about him. He's only
Speaker 1: been on the show three times, but I think if
Speaker 1: I had to give it first, it would be that one,
Speaker 1: because it would be like a really quick crash course
Speaker 1: on like who we are, what we're about, what's happening,
Speaker 1: what's happening right now, right now, and what's been happening.
Speaker 1: We even go back to the eighteen hundreds and how
Speaker 1: like the phenomenon appeared as blimps and airships, and how
Speaker 1: it's morphed over time, and now everybody's talking about orbs,
Speaker 1: which started with us.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking about the blimps in the airships thing,
Speaker 3: because speaking of pop culture and Japanese people pulling inspiration from,
Speaker 3: I guess you would call phenomena or esoteric whatever the
Speaker 3: concept of the airship with like the blimp and the propellers.
Speaker 3: I don't know the history of that, but I do know,
Speaker 3: like you said, that when people experienced phenomena, they couldn't
Speaker 3: understand that's what they would describe it as. They wouldn't
Speaker 3: describe it as planes or UFOs or saucers.
Speaker 1: It was ships.
Speaker 3: It was ships with blimps and propellers. Yeah all. And
Speaker 3: then if you like to play all these like Final
Speaker 3: Fantasy games, what do all the airships look like?
Speaker 2: They're literally all blimpsy the way glimps with propellers. Yes,
Speaker 2: by the way, you'd be proud of me, kid, I'm
Speaker 2: playing Final Fantasy seven for the first time right now.
Speaker 3: You know what's cozy remake?
Speaker 2: Og bro.
Speaker 1: This is synchronistic to me right now because this morning,
Speaker 1: I think the King Arthur thing that I was just
Speaker 1: telling you about was yesterday morning. You know, I'm really
Speaker 1: hazy in the morning, but I would tell you for
Speaker 1: a fact, this morning I saw a reel. I've never
Speaker 1: played Final Fantasy seven. I've never beaten the Final Fantasy game.
Speaker 1: The only ones I've ever played are ten and fifteen,
Speaker 1: and I never beat them, you know. But okay, so
Speaker 1: I don't know much about seven other than Cloud and
Speaker 1: Steph for Off. And this morning I saw reel and
Speaker 1: I guess Seph for Off is like putting Cloud under
Speaker 1: mind control, you know what I'm talking about. And there's
Speaker 1: this girl on his team and she like flashes him
Speaker 1: and it breaks him out. I was like, is this real?
Speaker 1: He's real?
Speaker 3: The flash part not but there's it's not real?
Speaker 2: No, was it the girl with the bow in her hair?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it is? Yeah, No, No, okay, I saw that real.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I didn't know this game was
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: That's not exactly how that moment happened in the game.
Speaker 3: Wow, I told you they're making a joke. They're they're
Speaker 3: clown in the game.
Speaker 1: Well, what actually happened?
Speaker 2: Then that's a big spoiler.
Speaker 3: That's like one of the biggest spoilers of all games,
Speaker 3: probably like the biggest well of all video games.
Speaker 1: I'm never going to play it if you don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil for your audience. Ioiler.
Speaker 2: She gets fucking stab, ude, she gets gets she gets skewer. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like the and his fucking twenty foot long sword.
Speaker 3: He drops down from the sky and like one of
Speaker 3: the most epic shots. I mean, if you played that
Speaker 3: game when you were thirteen or whatever when it came out,
Speaker 3: that was it would have.
Speaker 2: Been like I am your father kind of Oh it's
Speaker 2: that like that and dude, and hey, very very mystical,
Speaker 2: very esoteric. A lot of occult stuff in Final Fantasy
Speaker 2: so much, but really packed into Final Fantasy seven big time.
Speaker 2: Yea Erith is the character's name, and she is very
Speaker 2: like she has like foresight kind of, she's like psychic.
Speaker 2: She she has like low key like psychic abilities.
Speaker 3: She's connected to Mother Earth essentially.
Speaker 2: They describe it that way. And she's like she's like angelic.
Speaker 2: I mean she's a is she one of the Uh,
Speaker 2: she's an ancient. She's an ancient.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There are these beings called Ancients in Final Fantasy seven,
Speaker 2: and they're like they're descendants of kind of like the
Speaker 2: original Is it like the original humans or is it
Speaker 2: a race that came before the humans that they descend that.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not like a full expert on
Speaker 3: the the like the Deep Deep Final Deep. I know
Speaker 3: that they were like ancient ancient beings.
Speaker 2: And they have like they have like psychic abilities, and
Speaker 2: they like radiate light, and they're they're like kind of
Speaker 2: like gods.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so the Ancients are descendants of those. So she's
Speaker 2: low key like kind of an angelic character. She's like
Speaker 2: very innocent. She kind of exudes like.
Speaker 3: Kind of like kind of in a way, yeah, kind.
Speaker 2: Of she's she's sort of, but it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's it's different than that. She's very like pure hearted
Speaker 2: and like divine, feminine energy for sure. And then fucking Zephyr.
Speaker 3: Off bro oh, one of the greatest antagonists. I would say,
Speaker 3: I'm learning, Yeah that he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, he's legendary.
Speaker 3: The concept of that world. Yeah, I would be curious
Speaker 3: to your thoughts on this, Ryan, because I know you
Speaker 3: like the concept of the world is that the planet
Speaker 3: has what's called the life stream. It's like it's the
Speaker 3: life flood or maybe the blood or the soul of
Speaker 3: the planet, but it's actually all souls are reincarnated and
Speaker 3: the planet itself is a being, which is all stuff
Speaker 3: your fucking dad has talked about. Yeah, this is really
Speaker 3: you know, this game came out in ninety seven, ninety eight,
Speaker 3: whatever it was. Yeah, the planet itself is.
Speaker 1: But it's Japanese. Bro kind of stuff is not esoteric
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: East, it's it's normal shit normal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more normal. And actually a lot of esoteric
Speaker 1: information comes from the East.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the ancient, ancient, ancient shit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where it's like kind of common practice over there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are esoteric arts, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be generalizing, but dude, it's more common there.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if nothing else, you should, uh maybe look into
Speaker 2: playing the remake of Yeah, because it plays like Kingdom Hearts.
Speaker 2: It plays like it's not turn based. It plays like
Speaker 2: you played fifteen.
Speaker 1: I loved fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just so long on I just what
Speaker 2: bro It's about like this low key like anti terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: They're kind of like a terrorist organization, but like anti
Speaker 2: terrorist organization who they're like blowing up these big like
Speaker 2: reactors and stuff that are siphoning the like soul energy
Speaker 2: from the planet. It's called Maco or Maco Macoo something
Speaker 2: like that. They're like sucking the soul out of the planet.
Speaker 2: And so this group are they called Avalanche Avalanche Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They go around and blowing ship up and to like
Speaker 2: stop and bear. Ittt is one of the main characters.
Speaker 2: He's always running around. We gotta save the planet, we
Speaker 2: gotta save the planet. They're killing the planet like it's
Speaker 2: it's awesome, it's it's sick. It is so iconic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been really loving it. I wanted to play the
Speaker 2: OG before I earn the the remake, but that's also
Speaker 2: because I've just kind of been on like a retro
Speaker 2: gaming kick. I just beat Krono Trigger for the first time,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I need more.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the other side of what JRPGs. Ever, dude,
Speaker 3: it's a bittersweet feeling. You will never I told you,
Speaker 3: I'm jealous that you got to play it for the
Speaker 3: first time. You'll never have that experience again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: Play it, but it will never be the same, and.
Speaker 2: There will probably never be another Chrono game ever.
Speaker 3: Sadly probably not. I mean they might try to siphon,
Speaker 3: it will never happen. They'll never recapture the magic because
Speaker 3: that game was just weird coalescence of three of the
Speaker 3: biggest creators in Japan.
Speaker 1: That wasn't it made by a curator?
Speaker 3: He did?
Speaker 1: Oh just the thought the.
Speaker 2: Art direction, but it was.
Speaker 3: And then you have yes, Sokka Gucci, Final Fantasy and
Speaker 3: then the Dragon Quest guy I always forget.
Speaker 1: Also art by a territory. Yes, also my goat my hero.
Speaker 2: Did did you know the factoid cad that, uh, Crono
Speaker 2: Trigger and Final Fantasy seven were originally the same game?
Speaker 2: I did not know that, dude. Okay, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: pretty crazy. I have I have. My boss is like
Speaker 2: he's got to be one of the biggest Final Fantasy
Speaker 2: fans of all time. He's one of these people who
Speaker 2: his mind is like a steel trap and he knows
Speaker 2: all the information about this and like you and go
Speaker 2: and look it up and it's all legit. They started
Speaker 2: as one game, Crono Trigger, and that's why, like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of similarities if you kind of think about it,
Speaker 2: like there's there's a lot of similarities between the two.
Speaker 2: But they kind of branched off into Okay, they had
Speaker 2: these time travel elements, and then they also had this
Speaker 2: like the whole Maco and the like energy of the
Speaker 2: planet thing, and it was all one thing. And then
Speaker 2: they were like, all right, well let's maybe split this
Speaker 2: into two different teams. So we'll do we'll do a
Speaker 2: time travel game and then we'll do like a spiritual
Speaker 2: anti terrorist game and uh yeah and and so yeah.
Speaker 2: But they were originally the same game.
Speaker 1: You know, I love game I'm sorry, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just cut you off, but I wanted to say
Speaker 1: I love games that have like a time mechanic, like
Speaker 1: Madora's Mask and dude, the new game that was just
Speaker 1: announced the Vampire one that we were talking about a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, that that's like from the extevs of
Speaker 1: CD Project re.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forget oh yes, and the
Speaker 2: days it's called Dawn Walker.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but dude, you you have thirty days? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: no run will ever be the same because once you
Speaker 1: start the game, you have thirty days, and every little
Speaker 1: choice you make will avalanche into all these other choices,
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the thirty days, it's over,
Speaker 1: you know, And I love stuff like that's so cool,
Speaker 1: you know, very cool.
Speaker 3: I can't you brought up Majora's mask. I can't think
Speaker 3: of another game. I mean, I know there's more games
Speaker 3: that have that set timeline. A lot of persona games
Speaker 3: are like that, which are also so esoteric. It's all
Speaker 3: about I wouldn't say it's like the Lesser Key of
Speaker 3: Solomon Demons. It's basically like a Japanese twist to like
Speaker 3: Western demonology. But they created their own thing.
Speaker 1: But they always do it better than we do.
Speaker 3: It's always cool.
Speaker 2: It's always it is always cool.
Speaker 3: You like, go to school and you have like basically
Speaker 3: the game. Most of them take place over like one
Speaker 3: school year and by the time the school years over,
Speaker 3: like the game ends, and however prepared you are and whatever,
Speaker 3: it's over. Yeah, it's a cool mechanic. When got you
Speaker 3: said you're thirty one? He old, are you nick thirty?
Speaker 3: I'll be thirty one and babies? Okay, so you were
Speaker 3: like ninety five?
Speaker 2: Yo? You do you look like you're thirty.
Speaker 3: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: It's all that.
Speaker 2: It's the game. It's the game.
Speaker 1: Game.
Speaker 3: It's also I have a I have a CRT filter
Speaker 3: on my obs. It hides the blemishes old school CR
Speaker 3: two I've been playing.
Speaker 2: I played Prono Trigger with a CRT filter, and I've
Speaker 2: been playing a Final Fantasy with one as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way to do it if you're going
Speaker 3: to play a retro one.
Speaker 2: I learned from you.
Speaker 3: Uh did you get that retro crisis filter?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, he's shout out to retro cris.
Speaker 2: I am a huge fan of your content, dude, he
Speaker 2: really is, I really am.
Speaker 1: He really has watched your show, like even before you
Speaker 1: reached out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sweet, well, I'm glad I had an in because it's
Speaker 3: like I should tell the audience. I've been chasing these
Speaker 3: guys for almost two years.
Speaker 2: And I've been watching your content for probably that long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why we had to do it this way. Man.
Speaker 1: It's just we we really do like we're in over
Speaker 1: our heads with our schedule, and you know what, it
Speaker 1: just it struck me. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: why don't we just do a swapcast so we can
Speaker 1: but we can be on each other's shows, you know,
Speaker 1: and just save time one yeah, save time and actually
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. So that's my bad on the two
Speaker 1: year thing.
Speaker 3: But it worked out because your family's story, because people
Speaker 3: are gonna check it out, and it's like at a
Speaker 3: different place of legitimacy now than it was two years.
Speaker 1: Ago, even in the last thirty days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's crazy, dude. It's it's
Speaker 3: like hard to wrap your mind around, at least for
Speaker 3: me being obsessed with the topic since twenty seventeen and
Speaker 3: then now. I never thought we'd be where we're at.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just gonna be like my whole life.
Speaker 3: It's kind of this fringe thing and we get little
Speaker 3: pieces here and there. Yeah, it's and I think, what's
Speaker 3: gonna happen next in the topic. So this is my
Speaker 3: sort of bird's eye view. The first thing we had
Speaker 3: to accept was that the phenomena is real. It's not
Speaker 3: just swamp gas and lins flares in Boca. Right. That's
Speaker 3: we got past that. I think pretty much everybody excepts Okay,
Speaker 3: there's shit in the sky, the shit in the ocean.
Speaker 3: The next step is for people to accept that at
Speaker 3: least some of it's not us, it's not conventional. And
Speaker 3: once that happens, I think, once like we get a
Speaker 3: critical threshold of people who realize that, Okay, not only
Speaker 3: is there shit in the sky, but it's not just
Speaker 3: Russian and Chinese spy shit. I guess what people say,
Speaker 3: it's just technology, it's us. They don't want to be
Speaker 3: open to like, maybe there's something more. Admit that there's
Speaker 3: something more. But the moment it dawns on you that know,
Speaker 3: there's stuff out there that's not us, that's not conventional,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to start where a you're going to
Speaker 3: go next. You're going to start listening to experiencers. Oh, yes,
Speaker 3: that's the next place to go. And I think people
Speaker 3: like your dad, I think the profile, I think he's
Speaker 3: on the cusp and him and other prominent experiencers. Because
Speaker 3: once people accept like, oh my god, it's not us.
Speaker 3: Where are they going to go get? Oh? I got
Speaker 3: to listen to the people who have like had fucking contact. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: that's how I'm going to learn more. And so I
Speaker 3: I think you guys are going I think in the
Speaker 3: next year it's it's going to be like Stratus for
Speaker 3: your time for growth, you mean for us, just for
Speaker 3: the for the subject in general, because of that by
Speaker 3: you as extent.
Speaker 1: Yes, well it's happening now. To be honest, it's already unfolding.
Speaker 1: And I completely agree. But I'll tell you where we
Speaker 1: go next. The reality that people have to learn to
Speaker 1: accept is not just that this is real and that
Speaker 1: it's not us and that it's something else out there.
Speaker 1: But here's the genuine, true reality of what this phenomenon
Speaker 1: is and the way that people need to learn to
Speaker 1: understand it is that it is a type of phenomenon
Speaker 1: that whether you you know that it exists or not,
Speaker 1: it is aware of you and your thoughts. It is spiritual.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying it's particularly this or that
Speaker 1: or the other, but that it comes from another dimension.
Speaker 1: They transcend uh our understanding of material reality. You know
Speaker 1: that they live in another place that maybe is a
Speaker 1: mental place, maybe it's a spiritual place, an etheric place,
Speaker 1: and that they communicate through telepathy to read the thought
Speaker 1: of you know, individuals on the planet who don't even
Speaker 1: know that telepathy is real. Which, by the way, that
Speaker 1: door has been cracked open with the telepathy tapes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yet I'm on episode four now. It's insane. It's insane.
Speaker 1: It's like, have you been listening?
Speaker 2: Yeah? First two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it only gets crazier each day.
Speaker 2: It's freaking insane.
Speaker 3: I was always kind of bullish on like I there's
Speaker 3: got to be some sort of I just thought I
Speaker 3: was open to the idea. But not only are the
Speaker 3: telepathy tapes, but in the UF World WARLD, like the
Speaker 3: Jesse Michaels, the Julian Dorry, Danny Jones, like these type
Speaker 3: of guests that are coming on. They're talking, the whistleblowers
Speaker 3: are saying the government is looking for they call them
Speaker 3: psionic assets. They don't use telepathy or psychic right, because
Speaker 3: that's well.
Speaker 1: They have to use neurolinguistic programming and to make you
Speaker 1: think a certain way and look over here. I, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, you know, it's smoking mirrors.
Speaker 3: But they you know, this term psionic assets has now
Speaker 3: been coming out and that it's real, and the government
Speaker 3: has been recruiting people forever like it's so. I just
Speaker 3: I think it's all coalescing, and I think people are realizing,
Speaker 3: just as you said, Oh my god, material reality is
Speaker 3: only a piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 1: These beings fully transcend material reality, and they do read thoughts,
Speaker 1: and they're aware of your thoughts and your intentions. And
Speaker 1: that's what people need to learn to accept if they
Speaker 1: want to understand this phenomenon. If you think of it
Speaker 1: as something that just inhabits a physical ship and it
Speaker 1: comes from another you know, physical place, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: you know, you're you know, that's that's not the reality
Speaker 1: of the situation. Maybe those kinds of things do exist somewhere,
Speaker 1: but I can tell you with like provable certainty that
Speaker 1: that is not what is happening now that we are
Speaker 1: aware of. Not only have I experienced this phenomenon many
Speaker 1: thousands of times, far away, sometimes up close, but many
Speaker 1: thousands of times. You know, it appears, Nick has seen it,
Speaker 1: Alex has seen it ground level, sky level, whatever, in
Speaker 1: the house, out the house. Not only have I seen
Speaker 1: the dimensionality of this phenomenon so many times. But also
Speaker 1: I have been point blank told by literal like high
Speaker 1: level operatives of the CIA, like as high as it
Speaker 1: gets like two or three in command of the whole
Speaker 1: freaking agency kind of people tell me, like, it's dimensional.
Speaker 1: You know ninety five percent of this stuff out there
Speaker 1: is fake. And you know, keep telling your story like
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've been studying you the whole time,
Speaker 1: like every intelligence agency in the world of studying your family.
Speaker 1: We know you're telling the truth. We want to know
Speaker 1: why the being's interacted. That kind of conversation has been
Speaker 1: happening for nearly two decades now. Not only that, but
Speaker 1: now the conversation even yesterday there was some congressman or
Speaker 1: some some I don't remember her name, like Luna or something,
Speaker 1: comes out and has this big press release. She's like,
Speaker 1: it's dimensional, it's dimensional. They're all saying, now, it's dimensional,
Speaker 1: it's dimensional. It's going in the way that we have
Speaker 1: been shouting publicly for like twelve years. Hey, this is
Speaker 1: where it's headed. You see what I'm saying, Like it's dimensional.
Speaker 1: They transcend material reality, it's spiritual.
Speaker 3: I and I think if people are there's there's maybe
Speaker 3: some baggage depending on your upbringing to the word spiritual. Sure,
Speaker 3: I would. That's why I use the word. It's just
Speaker 3: it's non conventional. It's kind of like a neutral word, like, hey,
Speaker 3: just accept that there's more to what you think reality
Speaker 3: is and you've been taught and just I think if
Speaker 3: you crack that open and just accept, like okay. And
Speaker 3: the reason I think that is I grew up. I know,
Speaker 3: Ryanie said, you want to talk about this a little bit, but.
Speaker 1: Only what you're willing to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I grew up Mormon, and you're like
Speaker 3: in this bubble. Basically, I was grew up in Utah.
Speaker 3: Long story show. I didn't know anyone who wasn't Mormon
Speaker 3: until I went and did the whole mission thing and
Speaker 3: where the name tag and all that shit. But once
Speaker 3: the door opens and you think like, oh shit, maybe
Speaker 3: I'm in a cult or maybe this isn't what it
Speaker 3: claims it, once you open it and start looking into it,
Speaker 3: it's like, actually pretty easy, and it's you figure it
Speaker 3: out pretty quick. I feel like the phenomena is the
Speaker 3: same way we have fifty seventy eighty years of programming
Speaker 3: as a culture, especially in America, to discredit and you're
Speaker 3: a wacko and you're a whack job. And imagine all
Speaker 3: the poor people like your dad and your family and
Speaker 3: experiencers who have been gas lit to hell and back.
Speaker 3: And the truth is, most reporters, most most experiences are
Speaker 3: unreported because there is no benefit to talking about your
Speaker 3: for most people, you just get shunned. And there's such
Speaker 3: a high social cost. So there's so many cases already.
Speaker 3: And I bet that's like ten percent of the experiences.
Speaker 3: Every day, every day a human being on planet Earth
Speaker 3: is having some sort of mystical, unexplainable experience every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's happening non stop. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, like we're not the only people
Speaker 1: that have, you know, paranormal type of experiences. I just
Speaker 1: think that it it hap. I think like my honest
Speaker 1: take here this is just me being candid, My honest
Speaker 1: take is that these beings new for whatever reason, like
Speaker 1: these are good people. To really shake them up and
Speaker 1: like give them a story to tell, because they're resilient
Speaker 1: people and they won't back down and they'll go all
Speaker 1: the way until the job is done. I think that
Speaker 1: the reality is there are not a lot of people
Speaker 1: out there who are as tight knit as my siblings
Speaker 1: and I and my mind, you know, like and and
Speaker 1: our family like it nearly broke apart many, many, many
Speaker 1: times over this, but for some reason it never fully did,
Speaker 1: and we always bounced back. And every year the experiences
Speaker 1: have ramped up in intensity, and I think it's like
Speaker 1: whatever reason this played out for us was in a
Speaker 1: way so that we would just kind of have you know,
Speaker 1: data proof evidence, all this corroboration and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: so that we could just kind of help people see
Speaker 1: the bigger picture, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that family dynamic is back to what
Speaker 3: I was saying at the beginning. So I didn't bring
Speaker 3: that up. But not only is hearing you and your
Speaker 3: siblings talk, but hearing each of your dad, you, Chris, Emily,
Speaker 3: even Nick talk about different challenges you guys have the
Speaker 3: five dark years you've talked about, and it's no you
Speaker 3: guys have always been very uh what's the word gracious
Speaker 3: or refined about implying that, yes, family relationships, I think
Speaker 3: it's pretty heavily implied that your mom and dad had
Speaker 3: some pretty like strong resistance over the experience, and so
Speaker 3: it's like this is not some made up story, Like
Speaker 3: this is real people dealing with real shit, and you
Speaker 3: get all the good into bad. And I think the
Speaker 3: more time you either read the book or watch podcasts
Speaker 3: or listen to your podcast, I think it becomes a
Speaker 3: parent that that your story is genuine. And then if
Speaker 3: you accept that, okay, this one person's story is genuine, well,
Speaker 3: then maybe someone else has also had an experience, right,
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden you just start realizing
Speaker 3: like yeah, like you said, oh my god, there is
Speaker 3: more to reality, and it's happening all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: Since yeah, really, there's scrolls and manuscripts from all over
Speaker 1: the world of like seeing beings and things like that,
Speaker 1: like this isn't new.
Speaker 2: That's when you start to put together the pieces that
Speaker 2: it is a spiritual thing and it transcends like religion
Speaker 2: and that you know that stuff is it's because you
Speaker 2: find things in every ancient religion or you know, know
Speaker 2: mystery tradition even before there were religions. You know, uh,
Speaker 2: there's overlap, there's aspects of this phenomenon in every single
Speaker 2: one of those ancient uh mystery traditions, and you're like
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what what is going on? I mean,
Speaker 2: all of them that you can think of. An easy
Speaker 2: example is Buddhism. They describe the Buddhas the like ascended beings,
Speaker 2: the devas as well. Yeah, they're like these little angelic
Speaker 2: light beings that fly around in the sky. It's like,
Speaker 2: what does that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's tons of them,
Speaker 2: and that points you to the oh ship, that's that's
Speaker 2: we're talking about the same ship.
Speaker 1: I think the problem that people have is like the
Speaker 1: attachment to a certain religion, which is cultural for sure,
Speaker 1: and I think that people can't grasp I mean generally,
Speaker 1: like people have a hard time grasping that this is
Speaker 1: a phenomenon that is very symbolic, because things that are
Speaker 1: spiritual are symbolic more so than they are literal. And
Speaker 1: that'll make sense to people who really know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. But this is a thing that transcends language
Speaker 1: even and you know where someone says God and then
Speaker 1: someone says Brahma, and then someone says Allah, and then
Speaker 1: someone says yahweh. All these people are offended each other. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not right. Well, I mean, if you think about it,
Speaker 1: it's just different people from around the world trying to
Speaker 1: explain the divine in the terminology and cultural lens that
Speaker 1: they have. But what if it really did What if
Speaker 1: it wasn't God only showed up to the Israelites and
Speaker 1: they are the chosen people, But what if it's really like,
Speaker 1: you know, God is truly for everybody. And for thousands
Speaker 1: of years, people everywhere have been trying to explain this
Speaker 1: phenomenon that's been going on. Maybe the Israelites and all
Speaker 1: the stories in the Bible were very real, some of
Speaker 1: these stories, and they had a great story, and over
Speaker 1: time it's just been so conflated to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: now we're killing each other, and millions and millions and
Speaker 1: millions of people have been killed over imaginations of God
Speaker 1: that come from different cultural understandings, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But maybe it trends. And I'm not saying like the
Speaker 1: Bible's fake or this is fake, or I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that at all. I'm saying the opposite, that maybe there's
Speaker 1: truth to all of it, all of it, or at
Speaker 1: least some of it.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a flood myth in like every culture
Speaker 3: around the Yeah, yeah, so I mean there's probably some
Speaker 3: big ass floods that happened. Was it literally the entire
Speaker 3: earth and too of each channel of No, obviously, like
Speaker 3: let's be real, but there was a flood. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: also the probably multiple floods. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: There's also like I think a dozen or more different
Speaker 2: religions or mystery traditions that describe beings that are almost
Speaker 2: exactly like Jesus Christ in every way, down down to
Speaker 2: like the birthday, down to being a carpenter, down to
Speaker 2: barn of a virgin, like like almost every single detail
Speaker 2: across so many different yes, the death and rebirth across
Speaker 2: so many different cultures, like down to the birthday, the
Speaker 2: winter solstice, you know, like like almost every detail of
Speaker 2: Jesus and his life is down to like ages and locations.
Speaker 2: It's like it's the same thing detailed across different eras,
Speaker 2: different ages, different cultures, different religions. I think maybe part
Speaker 2: of the folly is when we want to take everything literally. Yes,
Speaker 2: we want desperately to have a road map, like tell
Speaker 2: me exactly what I need to do, tell me exactly
Speaker 2: what I need to do so that I can't fuck
Speaker 2: it up. But it's like, well you're already, like that's
Speaker 2: part of the folly is thinking you have to do
Speaker 2: it in exact specific way because there is no exact
Speaker 2: spec there's no list of rules and specific you know,
Speaker 2: say this hail Mary or you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: pray and bow towards this direction every day, or there's
Speaker 2: no specific ship like that. It's it's it's a.
Speaker 1: It's it's more of a like a personal connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's I think the folly is when
Speaker 2: we we want to we want to do it literally, yes,
Speaker 2: and if you follow it literally most texts say don't
Speaker 2: believe the other ones. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: kill bullshit. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look into like the mystery traditions, and
Speaker 1: you know, we do go into a lot of that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff on our show, Like we have a
Speaker 1: whole wisdom tradition series, which I've actually been thinking the
Speaker 1: next one would either be Rudolph Steiner or resocructionism whenever
Speaker 1: we get to the time where we'll do one.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the more you dive into these kinds of
Speaker 1: things and read these kinds of texts and learn about
Speaker 1: this body of knowledge, it's pretty clear. It's pretty evident
Speaker 1: that things that are concerning spiritual mysteries. Uh, the spiritual
Speaker 1: reality are symbolic. That doesn't mean not true. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean not real. It means that the comprehension of such
Speaker 1: things transcend the literal.
Speaker 2: It's beyond us.
Speaker 1: We can't comprehend, beyond fathom. So therefore the only way
Speaker 1: we can fathom is through symbol abstract representation. Yes, like
Speaker 1: an artistic depiction, you know, through fiction, through through that medium. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's.
Speaker 2: Real, true shit, but like not down to every little
Speaker 2: nitty gritty detail. It's like when you look that closely
Speaker 2: through a microscope, it's like, dude, you're losing the point.
Speaker 2: You've missed the point. Now you're looking too closely into it.
Speaker 1: You can't see the whole forest because you're looking at
Speaker 1: the one tree.
Speaker 3: Vibes, Is there a game either one of you have
Speaker 3: played that tackles these religious subjects in a way that
Speaker 3: really stood out to you? You're like, Okay, maybe the
Speaker 3: creators at this game are on my same level or
Speaker 3: on a similar to wavelength. Anything that stands out to you,
Speaker 3: Because I know you both talked about it. I've heard
Speaker 3: you talk about it on your show. I know you
Speaker 3: brought up Kingdom Hearts and sell the You know, is
Speaker 3: there anything where you're like, Okay, this is some this
Speaker 3: is some real shit in terms of the stuff I'm
Speaker 3: interested in. You know, someone's tapping into a similar vein here, oh.
Speaker 2: One thousand percent, and I feel like it's I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know that any one game just kind of
Speaker 2: like covers it all. I think. I think what it
Speaker 2: is is I I can think of a bunch of
Speaker 2: different examples of games that hone in on one either
Speaker 2: one aspect or one specific like mystery tradition. Like when
Speaker 2: I think Kingdom Hearts, I think gnosticism. It's it's like
Speaker 2: a lot of the details are almost directly pulled from gnosticism.
Speaker 2: This whole, like the Kingdom Hearts being the collective consciousness
Speaker 2: of all sentient beings, the the idea of going within yourself,
Speaker 2: your heart to access uh and converse with your higher
Speaker 2: self in order to awaken. It's like, oh my God,
Speaker 2: like all the light and dark absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know they even have like on Kingdom Hearts three,
Speaker 1: there's like these I haven't finished the game, but to
Speaker 1: see godlike guys and they're like playing chess and it's
Speaker 1: the sackerboard symbolism, which was you know, templar knights. They
Speaker 1: were Gnostics and very very esoteric.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's tons.
Speaker 1: They're like thirteen people in the order nobody.
Speaker 3: Thirteen people in organization thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, organization thirteen yeah, yeah yeah, and which is a
Speaker 1: templar thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's seven It's it's like thirteen darknesses and
Speaker 2: seven lights. And there's this ancient prophecy of their their
Speaker 2: endless struggle but their eventual clash where light will win
Speaker 2: against all odds, and like, it's there's so much that
Speaker 2: feels like it's directly ripped from gnosticism that I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: there's a there's a freaking One of the games is
Speaker 2: dream Drop Distance is like they literally have to go
Speaker 2: unconscious and dive into their subconscious, oh dude, and and yes,
Speaker 2: and like move through their memories and stuff in order
Speaker 2: to like reach a heightened like their higher self. In
Speaker 2: order to access and become their higher self in the
Speaker 2: waking world, they have to dive, literally dive into their subconscious.
Speaker 2: It is mystical as shit, and it yeah, just reminds
Speaker 2: me a lot of gnosticism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's hard for me to say, like specifically
Speaker 1: to your question, is there one game where I feel like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is like so on my level. There's so many,
Speaker 1: but one game that I did want to talk about
Speaker 1: that I thought was really cool. And you know, I
Speaker 1: do think there is a lot of like Japanese developers
Speaker 1: or artists seeing Western esoteric concepts and be like this
Speaker 1: is really cool.
Speaker 2: For sure, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're I mean maybe Kingdom Hearts
Speaker 1: is one thing, but I don't know that they're always
Speaker 1: trying to, like, you know, teach you a message. And anime,
Speaker 1: for sure, I think I think anime is a different
Speaker 1: We could do a whole episode on, you know, on
Speaker 1: anime and the esoteric themes in it. But Devil May Cry,
Speaker 1: I think it's I.
Speaker 3: Was playing that today.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, Cry five?
Speaker 3: Now I downloaded five like two days ago. I'm doing
Speaker 3: a Devil May Cry video.
Speaker 2: So see, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't know that that's crazy synchronicity. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil it for you if you haven't.
Speaker 3: No, no, I've already played it all for sure.
Speaker 2: This is a pro.
Speaker 1: Do you do playthroughs?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I do either, like how to take old games and
Speaker 3: kind of get them running better. On modern hardware, or
Speaker 3: I do some like I'm doing a Beauty of series
Speaker 3: where I take a camera hack for a game. You
Speaker 3: can detach the camera and then I just get like
Speaker 3: cinematic shots of the different environments. Cool, and then I
Speaker 3: edit them together to music I love.
Speaker 1: I love those. That's really cool. Oh, it's I'm definitely
Speaker 1: gonna like start peeping your content.
Speaker 3: But Devil May Cry five is uh, it's the r
Speaker 3: E engine and I don't want to stand there's a
Speaker 3: there's a I wouldn't say it's Final Fantasy seven level twist,
Speaker 3: but there's a huge twist to that game. Are you
Speaker 3: playing it right now? Like I already beat it? Okay,
Speaker 3: I think we can talk about it.
Speaker 1: But absolutely well, last year, I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: seen this episode, but last year we had the voice
Speaker 1: of Dante on our show, Ruben Langdon.
Speaker 3: I don't even know that. I fucking missed it.
Speaker 1: So he's a very cool guy and he was so nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's a friend of mine and he's really into
Speaker 1: the UFO stuff, and I think he reached out to
Speaker 1: me or or I was introduced to him and I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, you gotta come on the show. So
Speaker 1: I got Double May Cry five. I played it. I
Speaker 1: beat it in like two days or something. I was,
Speaker 1: and yeah, if you don't mind me talking about the
Speaker 1: spoiler ahead, the thing about that game that I thought
Speaker 1: was really cool was that there was this emergence of
Speaker 1: the Kleefoth or It's like Kabbala symbolism, right, and like
Speaker 1: long story short, he ascends and becomes this like I guess,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like a demon, but he's kind of
Speaker 1: like an angel, you know, when he like transforms his brother.
Speaker 1: And then this other kid I can't remember his name
Speaker 1: because I played the Game of the Year. It's not Virgil. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: not the Emo kids true Nero.
Speaker 3: Nero, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Nero. Correct, Yeah, Nero. That's
Speaker 3: the other that's like Dante's nephew, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, her cousin, and he like awakens
Speaker 1: and has his moment. But long story short, they go
Speaker 1: to the top of the Kleafath tree, Nero awakens, he
Speaker 1: becomes this like god like being and then they fight
Speaker 1: Virgil whatever, and then I can't remember exactly like who
Speaker 1: beat who? I think it was, Like long story short,
Speaker 1: they go all the way down into Hell. At the
Speaker 1: bottom of the cleaf off tree where you fight his
Speaker 1: brother Virgil in his fully awakened state, and then it's like,
Speaker 1: actually they got to the top when they went all
Speaker 1: the way down to the bottom and then all the
Speaker 1: way back up, which is like Dante's Inferno or the
Speaker 1: Divine Comedy or as above so below. So like long
Speaker 1: story short, I thought that was really cool, like an
Speaker 1: artistic choice where the whole game you're trying to climb
Speaker 1: the tree, and then you climb the tree and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: actually I have to go all the way down to
Speaker 1: the bottom of Hell to really be at the top
Speaker 1: of the tree. Yes, and therefore you know you've escaped
Speaker 1: Hell and then you go back to the top. So
Speaker 1: it's like that's really paraphrasing it because it's been over
Speaker 1: a years since I played it, but the symbolism was
Speaker 1: very cabbalas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally the Kabala tree of life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's Kleefoth, which is like it's like an
Speaker 1: emergence of evil energy and Kabbala, you know. And I
Speaker 1: thought that is really cool. How literally at the end
Speaker 1: of the game, you get all the way to the
Speaker 1: top and it's like, actually you're at the bottom. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and you spend ten hours fighting up the
Speaker 1: tree and then you go all the way to the
Speaker 1: bottom final boss, and then it's like whoa. It's literally
Speaker 1: like Dante's Inferno where they go all the way to
Speaker 1: the depths of Hell to find It's a metaphor. In
Speaker 1: other words, let me back up, so I'm not going
Speaker 1: in circles. I think the metaphor here, or the esoteric
Speaker 1: wisdom is that like, in order to awaken or to
Speaker 1: you know, become enlightened, you have to go through the
Speaker 1: depths of Hell and make it on the other side.
Speaker 1: But in other terms, it's like you have to dive
Speaker 1: into your subconscious. You have to face your trauma, your
Speaker 1: inner demons. You have to transmute them to not be
Speaker 1: traumas or demons anymore, but to be strengths, gifts, whatever. Like,
Speaker 1: you have to purge the traumatic association that you have
Speaker 1: with these things, transmit them from darkness to light. It's
Speaker 1: like going to the depths of Hell and then you
Speaker 1: go all the way through and then you come out
Speaker 1: on the other side and it's like, actually, I'm in heaven,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then side point symbolic on on the Cabbala
Speaker 2: Tree of life. Do you know what all the little
Speaker 2: nodes on the they're called?
Speaker 1: I jumped the gun there, but I.
Speaker 2: Did not really is that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I never looked where that name came.
Speaker 2: You want to know?
Speaker 1: Blowing one that I found out like a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know the anime Full Metal Alchemist? Have you seen that? K?
Speaker 1: Do you watch Animator?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I guess it's sorry, I can't. I'm like a
Speaker 3: terrible multitasker. I described as the channels Devigne credit Life Forces.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's true, dude, Yeah, that crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like the different dimensions of reality or whatever.
Speaker 3: We talked about. I guess it's part of it. It's
Speaker 3: part of that. I can I ever say this Evangelion is.
Speaker 2: It's also Yes, it's also a part of yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Ka Kabala type stuff comes up a lot in pop culture.
Speaker 1: I find, Oh, yeah, it's very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But in in Full Metal Alchemist, love that show. So
Speaker 1: you know how like the main guy in the end,
Speaker 1: it's Hohenheim. That's his dad, right, Yeah, that's Edward and
Speaker 1: Alphonse's dad Ohenheim. In real ancient I guess it's like
Speaker 1: Renaissance era or whenever. This the Middle Ages, right, like
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred's the Medieval Ages. Hoenheim was the birth name
Speaker 1: of Paracelsus, the renowned alchemist, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. I was like, oh, that's a cool detail.
Speaker 1: And when Ed and Alphonse do the ritual to summon
Speaker 1: their mother's spirit back into her body, this door appears
Speaker 1: in front of him. Oh yeah, and it's the Tree
Speaker 1: of Life and it says cept and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's like Kabala. And then they crossed through the door
Speaker 1: and the speaking to this being that you presume is God,
Speaker 1: and they're and they're like, who are you? It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm everything, I'm God, I'm you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was so like, oh my God.
Speaker 3: And also the artistic depiction of that they go through
Speaker 3: the door, it's like just like a white room and
Speaker 3: the beams is just trans yeah, translucent outline. It's something
Speaker 3: about that made me feel almost there's like familiar, like
Speaker 3: they nailed this, Like I don't I'm not saying that's
Speaker 3: what God looks like, but the representation, the you know,
Speaker 3: like the artistic choice they something about that is right,
Speaker 3: Like it was really compelling. Vean, you could have. You
Speaker 3: could have gone like some big crazy like Spinal Fantasy
Speaker 3: does with you Kill God right, and it's got twenty
Speaker 3: wings and it's you know, it's like an Ezekiel wheel
Speaker 3: or something. But they went the opposite route. They went
Speaker 3: this pure minimalistic and it gives me this feeling that
Speaker 3: the only other time I can think of in media
Speaker 3: that's I felt that stronger. Have you ever seen a
Speaker 3: movie called Annihilation? Oh? Yeah, at the end when she
Speaker 3: meets the being, but it's just like a geometric morphing
Speaker 3: blob of her, yes, well, before it turns into her,
Speaker 3: before it takes the blood. It's just like floating. And
Speaker 3: it's the sound design is just like weird.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, dude. It's hypnotic.
Speaker 3: It's hypnotic exactly. It gave me that same feeling like
Speaker 3: all the scenes in Full Metal when he's talking to
Speaker 3: God or whoever is I think the name in between
Speaker 3: the two doors and that void space, I would I
Speaker 3: would feel like I was hypnotized. Like there's just something
Speaker 3: about that concept and the depiction of it. I think
Speaker 3: they know, Yeah, I only I've only seen Brotherhood the uh,
Speaker 3: Like that's the one that's.
Speaker 1: The real one that's based directly off the manga. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first one basically like came out before the
Speaker 2: manga was finished, and then the anime ended up like
Speaker 2: catching up with the manga before it finished, and they
Speaker 2: kind of just like made up an ending. So Brotherhood
Speaker 2: is the one that can watch. That's the right one.
Speaker 1: It's like the modern remaster where they actually like do
Speaker 1: a one shot follow through of the original manga. So
Speaker 1: it's the it's the Acura story.
Speaker 2: The source material. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Other really really good esoteric anime that are also news,
Speaker 1: so they're hot right now, Solo Leveling and Jujusukis. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen those yet, that too. Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: didn't cross my mind. That's extremely esoteric.
Speaker 2: But yeah, uh before we leave the Kabbala Tree of
Speaker 2: Life thing, you ever, I'm sure you played the newer
Speaker 2: Wolfenstein games.
Speaker 3: I played New Order in the I played the first
Speaker 3: of the two. I think there's three new ones. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think there are three, but I've played the first two.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think it's the first New Wolfenstein of
Speaker 2: the newer ones. I think it probably came out like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, twenty six seventeen. Yeah, yeah, we're on there.
Speaker 2: They have the whole like dot you should, it's like
Speaker 2: the you should.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's that like esoteric underground like Hebrew magic thing. It's
Speaker 2: literally all It's literally great those he says it. He
Speaker 2: straight up says like this is uh this cabalistic magic.
Speaker 2: He's straight up says it like it's not there's no
Speaker 2: sugarcoating or anything. It's like the movie Heretic where he
Speaker 2: yes and just straight out to say it, and you're like,
Speaker 2: whoa man. Uh, just talk about a game that like
Speaker 2: really impacted me. Wolfenstein. I had never even heard of
Speaker 2: the original Wolfenstein when I played the newer ones and
Speaker 2: my friend Jacob, our friend Jacob shout out. Jacob. He
Speaker 2: was like, dude, you gotta play this. This ship is insane. Uh.
Speaker 2: And I'm playing and I'm like, oh sick. I get
Speaker 2: to kill Nazis. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: And then and.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it's like
Speaker 2: cabalistic magic and like mex and like all this crazy
Speaker 2: like this esoteric occult organization like it. It is such
Speaker 2: an awesome, unique game. I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, dude, this is way different. But
Speaker 1: there's a game that I've been seeing clips of lately
Speaker 1: that I really want to play, and I think it's
Speaker 1: called like Exorcism Simulator or something. But it's like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like fasmophobia. It's like a four it's like
Speaker 1: a four player, uh horror co op game. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's really what it's called.
Speaker 2: I think it's.
Speaker 3: I mean, there is a game called I'm watching it
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: It looks it might be called Depossessed.
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, possessed.
Speaker 1: I'm probably tripping on the title. But if I saw
Speaker 1: a clip, I would know because it's.
Speaker 3: The same one came up. So I think, oh, it's
Speaker 3: called Unpossessed extra Unpossessed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Unpossessed Exorcism Simulator. Dude, it looks crazy.
Speaker 1: It's it's just like fasmophobia, but instead of like Hunting
Speaker 1: of Ghost, you're trying to like use like crosses to
Speaker 1: get the devil out.
Speaker 3: Of multi creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is creepy. It looks awesome.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: Have you guys played Silent Hill to the New or
Speaker 3: the original played Silent Hill Man?
Speaker 2: Same? I hate to disappoint you, but I've never played them.
Speaker 3: I think that if I wanted to do it at
Speaker 3: like a you know, the pop culture episode. If you
Speaker 3: played that game, you would have like five episodes of
Speaker 3: content to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm on my I'm on my grind right now
Speaker 2: of picking up on all of the games that I
Speaker 2: missed out on. Uh So, I think that's on my
Speaker 2: list for sure, because I also have a coworker who
Speaker 2: same thing. Like he's utterly and completely obsessed with the
Speaker 2: Silent Hill games and he talks about them all the
Speaker 2: time and how awesome they are.
Speaker 3: Like most people would say two is the best, it's
Speaker 3: also the most I just yeah, if you're going to
Speaker 3: play one, play two first.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, I'm on that grind right now. I
Speaker 2: was never really into I know it. Obviously Silent Hill
Speaker 2: is not It's not like a JRP at all, but
Speaker 2: I never got into j RPGs at all until playing
Speaker 2: Chrono Trigger and now I'm going down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: But also like the whole like resident evil Silent Hill
Speaker 2: like horror stuff that lane. I'm like, that's gonna happen
Speaker 2: at some point. The goat.
Speaker 3: The most esoteric game and universe I can think of
Speaker 3: is the remedy shared universe. I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: played any either Alan Wake or Control games.
Speaker 2: Oh oh Alan Yeah they are.
Speaker 3: Alan Wake two might be the best survival horror like
Speaker 3: psychological survival horror game ever. It just barely recouped its money.
Speaker 3: There's the whole reason behind that. But God, I would
Speaker 3: I would like kill to like talk Alan Bike two
Speaker 3: with you, guys, if you'd played that, I bet we
Speaker 3: could go. It's I don't want to spoil it, like
Speaker 3: it's so good. I don't want to say anything because
Speaker 3: if you ever play it, I don't want to ruin
Speaker 3: the tragedy is.
Speaker 2: That I have. I love Alan Way the first one,
Speaker 2: and I've never played the second one. But just like
Speaker 2: a month or so ago, I bought the first one
Speaker 2: again on Steam and have been replaying it in preparation
Speaker 2: for Allen Wake two. So very soon I will be
Speaker 2: playing awesome. Yeah, Allen Wake.
Speaker 3: What's uh? I always like to ask this question, what
Speaker 3: is the most emotional game's ever made you? And why?
Speaker 2: Mm?
Speaker 1: Game? Oh? I can tell you right now? What do
Speaker 1: you think about yours? When I was a kid and
Speaker 1: you would beat Okarina of time and every time you
Speaker 1: would beat the game, I felt like I wanted to
Speaker 1: cry because I was like, it's over. You never wanted
Speaker 1: to be over, oh, you know, because you know, as
Speaker 1: it was back then, we had Nintendo, we had snes,
Speaker 1: we had Nintendo sixty four. It wasn't like online infinite gameplay.
Speaker 2: Loop creative gaming.
Speaker 1: It's like you had your little game, you played it,
Speaker 1: it was over, and you're like no. So whenever the
Speaker 1: credits would roll an Okerina of Time, I felt like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's like the end of Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, we just went on this
Speaker 2: whole journey and it's over.
Speaker 1: Triumph, but also like sad that it's over.
Speaker 2: I would also get sad for Link, because good god,
Speaker 2: that poor fucking kid went through everything, traveled into the future,
Speaker 2: slayed the Ultimate Evil, traveled back and nobody even knew
Speaker 2: he did any of that, and like it's he just
Speaker 2: has to live his like normal life dealing with the
Speaker 2: psychological repercussions of what he just did.
Speaker 1: Breaking news. I think Alex has a contribution.
Speaker 3: What up?
Speaker 2: Okay, did you hear that kid?
Speaker 3: No? I couldn't hear it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his his mic isn't working, but he cried at
Speaker 2: the end of Red Dead two. Right, yeah, Dead two.
Speaker 3: That's a that's another one one as well.
Speaker 1: Oh my, there's games you beat and you're not sad,
Speaker 1: like for example, Halo amazing games. Growing up, you never
Speaker 1: felt sad like that was sick. You know, let's let's
Speaker 1: play multiplayer. Yes, you know, but for some reason when
Speaker 1: you beat Okarina of Time, I just always felt like
Speaker 1: it was so depressing, like for me. Actually, this, this
Speaker 1: will explain a lot about me. I have a hard
Speaker 1: time finishing open world games because when I get near
Speaker 1: the end, I don't want it to end, so I stall,
Speaker 1: and I stall, and I stall, and I do all
Speaker 1: these side quests and then it's like I've invested eighty
Speaker 1: twoe hundred hours in this game, and then it's like,
Speaker 1: well I got other games to play, uh, and then
Speaker 1: I don't finish. Like for that reason, I haven't finished
Speaker 1: Tiers of the Kingdom.
Speaker 2: You talk about emotional, I.
Speaker 1: Haven't finished Goes to Tsushima. There's a lot of games
Speaker 1: that I've never finished because I'm traumatized as a kid.
Speaker 1: Like you play the game, it goes by really quick
Speaker 1: and then it's over it, but for sure you are.
Speaker 1: It's a complex because then there's never the experience of
Speaker 1: that first experience for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something wrong with my brain where I can
Speaker 2: play a game one hundred times and feel the same
Speaker 2: thing every time I play it. I've like beaten all
Speaker 2: the Kingdom Hearts games like ten times a long.
Speaker 3: That's a gift from God.
Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, No, you're right, You're right, I am, You're right,
Speaker 2: I am. I do feel fortunate to have that. But
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of games make me emotional, honestly, like,
Speaker 2: I find fiction is one of the things that makes
Speaker 2: me the most emotional out of anything. I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but one of the more recent examples would definitely be
Speaker 2: Tears of the Kingdom. The I don't I won't spoil anything.
Speaker 1: I know exactly where I'm at in that game, and
Speaker 1: I swear once a week I'm like, I'm gonna pick
Speaker 1: it back up. I will finish.
Speaker 2: I won't spoil anything, but I will say maybe the
Speaker 2: most shocking twist of my whole entire life, And I cried, Wow,
Speaker 2: well do you did you beat it? Or no?
Speaker 3: I have not beat Tears of the Kingdom. Oh you
Speaker 3: got it happens, It's so good.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, but eighty hours in it. I think the
Speaker 2: most emotional I've been playing a game might be God
Speaker 2: of War twenty eighteen. It was it's the father son thing.
Speaker 2: The father son thing really like hits me in the heart.
Speaker 2: My dad and I didn't have like the toughest It
Speaker 2: wasn't crazy, it wasn't anything crazy, but we we like
Speaker 2: pretty much always butt heads, but we found our way
Speaker 2: through that and like now we're in a great place,
Speaker 2: and so that subject matter is like very tender to me.
Speaker 2: And the performances of those actors is maybe the best
Speaker 2: I've seen in any video game for sure.
Speaker 3: They definitely raised the level everything production. I mean, there
Speaker 3: had been single shot games with the whole idea of
Speaker 3: the whole game is one single continuous shot, and all
Speaker 3: the tricks they did to pull that off, Chris Judge, everybody, uh, like,
Speaker 3: even the the subtle things they did, Like do you
Speaker 3: remember the very beginning of the game when you first
Speaker 3: kind of set out and you are going to initially
Speaker 3: like get the tree. I think you're the wife cut
Speaker 3: down the tree. It's like right at the very beginning,
Speaker 3: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: How the game starts and there's like a trayis and
Speaker 3: cradles are arguing and they're looking over like kind of
Speaker 3: a cliff side, and there's awkward and Credos like puts
Speaker 3: his hand like he wants to.
Speaker 2: Touch oh, and then he pulls it away.
Speaker 3: He pulls it back, just like The game is just
Speaker 3: full of like subtle subtexts like that that just by
Speaker 3: the end when you find out spoiler alert that like
Speaker 3: the mom has been guiding them, and that's the whole time.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I loved how they tied in lored to like what's
Speaker 3: considered a gameplay mechanic, the idea of yellow markings, you know,
Speaker 3: what you can interact with and what you can climb on.
Speaker 2: It's turned around.
Speaker 3: But and then they're like, we're going to do that,
Speaker 3: but we're gonna actually work it into the lore and
Speaker 3: makes it like fit into the world and it's heard
Speaker 3: knowing ahead of time guiding you because it's just god damn,
Speaker 3: that game's also I think I think that was.
Speaker 1: Like the first game anyone's ever played where like the
Speaker 1: acting and the dialogue and all that felt like movie quality.
Speaker 1: It truly, you know, it really did. It is movie.
Speaker 2: It had been attempted before, but they fully and completely.
Speaker 1: It's like a movie, it really is.
Speaker 2: And then Ragnarok doubles down on that, like you know,
Speaker 2: like if freaking if Got of War twenty eighteen is
Speaker 2: the Iron Man movie, Gotta warre Ragnarok is in game
Speaker 2: like it's it's like they fully fully go twice as
Speaker 2: three times as big on that. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I think that's in Like I think Got of War
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen is in like the top three most like
Speaker 2: dazzling spectacular games I've ever played, just personally for sure.
Speaker 2: It it hit me on every single level. It checked
Speaker 2: every box. It shook me to my core. It made
Speaker 2: me extremely emotional and like shocked me.
Speaker 1: It's the only problem is there was enough of it.
Speaker 2: I know they came out with Ragnarok and maybe they'll
Speaker 2: do another one. I don't know the story.
Speaker 1: There's like heavy conversations about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's either going to be Egypt.
Speaker 3: It seems like Egypt.
Speaker 2: It seems like Egypt is where we're going next. But
Speaker 2: I did just see something like last night that apparently
Speaker 2: a very credible leak source who has been right about
Speaker 2: many many things Got a War related in the past,
Speaker 2: is saying it's actually going to be another prequel set
Speaker 2: in Greece about Credos and his father.
Speaker 1: See what I saw was there was a leak that
Speaker 1: a major project for Sony has just been announced that
Speaker 1: they're casting Middle Eastern actors. So then so there's specult.
Speaker 1: Well is it God a war? Is it Egypt?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So who knows God?
Speaker 2: So regardless, Oh yeah, the twenty eighteen was supposed to
Speaker 2: be Egypt like many years ago. It was going to
Speaker 2: be glad it wasn't. I am too. The Norse thing, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: Very I was a little bummed out when the Norse
Speaker 3: thing was first announced, like I didn't I think at
Speaker 3: the time there had been I think Assassin's Creed Vikings
Speaker 3: had come.
Speaker 2: Out where it was announced around the same thing, around
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 3: There seemed to be other Viking games, and I just
Speaker 3: felt like the Vikings TV show, I'm like, I got
Speaker 3: lots of cool Viking ship in my life. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: there's not enough though. Have you seen The Northman by
Speaker 3: the way? Yes, so, oh my god, people talked so
Speaker 3: much shit on that movie. Pretty low expectations. It's one
Speaker 3: of the coolest movies I've ever.
Speaker 2: Amazing, it's so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I was gonna ask if if Jeff Bezos
Speaker 3: or Elon Musk came and said okay, Bledsoe said, so,
Speaker 3: I love you guys. I think I believe your dad's story.
Speaker 3: I want to support you. So here's twenty billion dollars.
Speaker 3: You can make any video game you want and hire
Speaker 3: whoever you want. What would you guys make, Like, let's
Speaker 3: say they came to as you do as a podcast? Easy?
Speaker 2: Easy?
Speaker 3: What Elder?
Speaker 2: Scroll six? Where's it ahead? Where's it?
Speaker 1: Aad? Let's I would take?
Speaker 2: Give him to Todd Howard and hurry the fuck up.
Speaker 1: But I'm.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's cool. But like Skyrim, what's it are
Speaker 2: we at fourteen years now that we've been waiting twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen years? Here you go, Todd, here's twenty billion dollars,
Speaker 2: give me the fucking game? Where is it? Giff me?
Speaker 1: You know what? I know what game I would make?
Speaker 1: I would set out to make the most bad ass
Speaker 1: hand to hand martial arts kung fu game ever made,
Speaker 1: like seafo, best kung fu game I've ever played, like that,
Speaker 1: but bigger, like multiplayer, like it would be like traditional
Speaker 1: respect to actual kung fu styles, like you can you
Speaker 1: can do this style of this style of this style,
Speaker 1: and uh, it would be something along those lines, something
Speaker 1: like fighting melee combat like Chivalry. Chivalry has a really
Speaker 1: good like sword, you know, Melee mechanic would be something
Speaker 1: along those lines. When I was a kid, I always
Speaker 1: fantasized about a Star Wars game just like Chivalry, where
Speaker 1: you have lightsabers, but it's like, you know, some something
Speaker 1: melee oriented with a like a multiplayer vibe. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: like Chivalry esque where it's sixty four thirty two verse
Speaker 1: thirty two, but it's like, you know, people melee fighting,
Speaker 1: like the fucking assaulting the Shaolin.
Speaker 2: Temple or something like that.
Speaker 1: It would be martial arts melee focused. That'd be sick, yeah,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, that's usually my
Speaker 1: favorite games.
Speaker 3: Why what did your favorite game of all time? Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you had, it depends on the era.
Speaker 1: Depends on the era. I can't say one, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot. I would say, like I have a list. Uh,
Speaker 1: Okerina of Time is probably like my all time nostalgia classic.
Speaker 1: I would like play that with my dad and my brothers.
Speaker 1: We were all obsessed with Zelda growing up, and so
Speaker 1: definitely Okerina of time. But right now, dude, right now,
Speaker 1: Like I'm really into Hell Divers, really really into Hell
Speaker 1: Divers two. I think that game transcends just being a
Speaker 1: multiplayer game, Like it has an incredible lore that is
Speaker 1: like so freaking amazing. It's just an incredible phenomenon. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I really like competitive mutiplayer games. I'm playing
Speaker 1: the crap out of Marvel Rivals.
Speaker 3: I've heard nothing but good things from everyone who plays Rivals.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, it's shockingly good. Like I thought that the
Speaker 2: Hero Shooter thing had run its course, and especially with Concord,
Speaker 2: I think Blizzard that yes, the dazzling failure, it was Concord.
Speaker 2: I thought. I was like, Okay, we're done with this
Speaker 2: right like it's it's it's And then Marvel Rivals came
Speaker 2: out and it's like, oh shit, no, this is fun
Speaker 2: as hell.
Speaker 3: Still.
Speaker 2: They just were doing.
Speaker 1: It wrong, Yes, they were doing it wrong. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were doing it wrong.
Speaker 2: I'd have to say Kingdom Hearts two is probably my
Speaker 2: favorite game of all time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I had to pick a more recent one, it
Speaker 2: would maybe be God of War twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: No, to be elden Ring.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, what are you talking about I'm tripping
Speaker 2: Elden Ring is crazy. I can't wait for night Rain.
Speaker 2: Good God.
Speaker 3: People were bitching about night Rain, but I'm like more
Speaker 3: eldan Ring. Like basically, you're getting a co op bus
Speaker 3: boss Russ mode sounds awesome. Yeah, awesome, like you're an actual.
Speaker 2: Yes, And they did cool little tweaks like the mobility
Speaker 2: is way better, like you run faster, you walk faster,
Speaker 2: everything faster. There's no fall damage, Like it's awesome. They
Speaker 2: did a lot of tweaks to just be like, go
Speaker 2: go go, go, go go, just have.
Speaker 3: Fun, like don't worry about all the littlest formula.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna be sick.
Speaker 1: I have to give special shout out. This is one
Speaker 1: of my top five permanent Like one of the best
Speaker 1: games I've ever played is Seafoo. Yeah, I've beaten it
Speaker 1: over one hundred times. I've beaten it Master. I've done
Speaker 1: a no literal no death run, but that was a
Speaker 1: normal mode. I haven't done a no death run on
Speaker 1: Master someday, but I'll probably beat my head in if
Speaker 1: I attempt that.
Speaker 3: Do you have a PS five xbox? What do you got?
Speaker 2: I got them all, brother, you got to have them.
Speaker 3: All these days. Did you ever play Ninja Guiden back
Speaker 3: in the day, the three sixty Xbox ones?
Speaker 1: Not all the way I played the demo Actually, just
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, I was playing Ninja Guid
Speaker 1: in two because it's on game Pass, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is a little dated, Like.
Speaker 3: It's a little dated in terms of like the camera
Speaker 3: can be fun. Yes, they hadn't figured out the cameras.
Speaker 1: Shit, it's really clunky. I couldn't keep going.
Speaker 3: If you can get past that, there's a reason why.
Speaker 3: It's Hell, this is the greatest action martial arts game
Speaker 3: for a lot of people. That's like the pinnacle. Seafood
Speaker 3: is like a different thing. Seafoo is its own like
Speaker 3: almost like its own genre.
Speaker 1: Kung fu enthusiasts bro like yes, it's like there's like
Speaker 1: real hit in there, like as someone who studied kung
Speaker 1: fu for four years, like every week, going three four
Speaker 1: times a week, like under an actual Seafoo and like
Speaker 1: a part of a martial arts school. Like Seafoo is
Speaker 1: for real, Like it's amazing, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It's like Yip man the game yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: just like straight Box and everybody. It's it's a really
Speaker 2: cool game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of like, I feel like I hijacked
Speaker 3: the whole thing in video games. And there's nothing for
Speaker 3: your listeners. But I could talk to you guys about
Speaker 3: video games forever.
Speaker 1: So what do you mean there's nothing for a listeners?
Speaker 3: And I know you said and I know you said
Speaker 3: an hour in other like an hour or so.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I told you we're cool.
Speaker 3: Man, Okay, we're just making sure.
Speaker 1: No, this has been awesome. I feel like people be
Speaker 1: tripping if there's at least got to be somebody out
Speaker 1: there in our show who likes video games.
Speaker 3: Man, come on, Like, you guys have video Game Channel
Speaker 3: on your Discord and I pop in there and talk
Speaker 3: every once in a while. Yeah, I wanted to bring
Speaker 3: up you both bought a Link, and I had this
Speaker 3: thought as you were talking about Okay at time and
Speaker 3: Tiers of the Kingdom and why why you felt sad
Speaker 3: because in the lore that the quote lore the timeline
Speaker 3: of Zelda, which has like multiple timelines, kind of retconned it.
Speaker 3: But the overarching theme is Link is almost like a title.
Speaker 3: He's like reincarnated with the title like a Christ exactly
Speaker 3: he's essentially a Messiah figure. Yeah, and now he's not
Speaker 3: like born of a virgin Mary and all that. Right,
Speaker 3: of course it's but it's like a twist on the Messiah,
Speaker 3: like the idea of the Messiah complex, not complex, I guess,
Speaker 3: just the archetype. And maybe like it's almost the sad
Speaker 3: idea of that you're gonna saved the world and then
Speaker 3: you're gonna die, but it's gonna go back to it.
Speaker 3: You have to do it all over again. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: And maybe that's why it feels sad because I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was I was thinking about you know, he's right,
Speaker 3: like the Zelda games, they don't there's hit different, Like,
Speaker 3: you're right. I just played Halo one of some friends.
Speaker 3: You beat a Halo campaign.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're not sad. You're not like crying and
Speaker 1: then you're like, let's do it again, a legendary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okuerinas. It's not like you're weeping, but it's like
Speaker 3: somber your melancholy, yeah, melancholin.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's because they're playing with some of
Speaker 3: these themes like reincarnation, timelines, Messiah, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Music the music too, like Zelda music there's nothing like it, nothing.
Speaker 3: And particularly all the little jingles they made for Akerina
Speaker 3: of Time, the Song of Storms, like come on, you
Speaker 3: can never not.
Speaker 2: Hear that melody all day dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was pretty good too. It's all about it's
Speaker 3: all about.
Speaker 2: The opening the opening screen. Yeah song, that's the song. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh my yeah, but it is true the somber, that
Speaker 2: whole thing of like Link is just gonna come back
Speaker 2: and do it again over and over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over. Like that's we're writing a song about that. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: you want you want to.
Speaker 1: Man? Our next song is doing I don't think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We're working on a single called Ultrahand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the mechanic from Tears of the Kingdom
Speaker 2: Tiers of the Kingdom. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And it's
Speaker 2: literally like I've pretty much finished the lyrics at this point.
Speaker 2: It's literally about the like Link being trapped in an
Speaker 2: endless cycle of just having to fight Gannon over and
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over and over, and
Speaker 2: it's like is he you know, it is this thing
Speaker 2: of like is he really winning? And Gannon is almost
Speaker 2: being like, well kill me now, like I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be right back to get you again, like
Speaker 2: you know, like yeah kind of thing. And it is
Speaker 2: you get that feeling playing the Zelda game. I mean,
Speaker 2: at least I do. I also find it fascinating. He
Speaker 2: is like a vessel for this christ consciousness, right, and
Speaker 2: he keeps coming back. And it's but I find it fascinating.
Speaker 2: He never talks and you can name him whatever you
Speaker 2: want to name him, implying that like it's you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's you, it's true, but like we are Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he also like pulls the sword from the stone,
Speaker 1: which ye gives me like Arthur vibe, you know, like
Speaker 1: being worthy and like pulling the Master Sword from the stone,
Speaker 1: the magical sword that could seal the darkness. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: Bro in Breast of the Wild, you literally have to
Speaker 2: purify your heart in order to pull the Master Sword
Speaker 2: out of the thirteen hearts.
Speaker 1: You gotta have exactly.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that. You have to have hearts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both games actually yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: But well and no in Tears of the Kingdom, it's stamina,
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 1: Ye dragon? Yeah, you're right, you're right. You have to
Speaker 1: have like five stamina wheels I think or something like that,
Speaker 1: because you pull it out of a fucking dragon forehead,
Speaker 1: out of the sky. Yeah, it's it's awesome.
Speaker 3: The Japanese have always had Like I was thinking about
Speaker 3: what you were saying, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, we're looking for inspiration, this this stuff
Speaker 3: is cool. It's just cool. We're gonna we just want
Speaker 3: to make something cool, right. But I also think over
Speaker 3: time this concept, especially with all the j RPGs, because
Speaker 3: I know Nick Thing is getting into them. There's this
Speaker 3: joke within the j RPG community that almost all of
Speaker 3: them you kill God. But that's and I've always wondered,
Speaker 3: And a lot of times they'll take like the twist
Speaker 3: like Christian. You know, they'll have crosses and stuff like
Speaker 3: in Xeno Gears or dragon Quest games. They never they
Speaker 3: know us, never explicitly mentioned Christ. But they're like taking
Speaker 3: iconography even.
Speaker 2: In dragon Ball.
Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, I wonder what that is like is it?
Speaker 3: Because but you know, they come from generally speaking, like
Speaker 3: a Buddhist background and reincarnation, and they like they mix
Speaker 3: the two together, and I sometimes I wonder how much
Speaker 3: of it is sort of like the way I create sometimes,
Speaker 3: like I just want to put together things that are cool,
Speaker 3: and then I come up with the narrative once the
Speaker 3: pieces are there, you know, or are they mastered? You know,
Speaker 3: who's master planning? And like, really, I want to put
Speaker 3: this stuff into my art as a conscious message to
Speaker 3: people playing.
Speaker 1: I think that they have a fascination with like Christian iconography,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why it's in so much anime too.
Speaker 1: It's really in a lot of anime and and also
Speaker 1: like Japanese games.
Speaker 2: And I think you're right.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh wow, this is cool. It's not that
Speaker 1: even necessarily, but like, yeah, this looks sick. Cross it
Speaker 1: does look kind of cool. It doesn't the cross tattoo.
Speaker 1: You're like, dud you.
Speaker 3: Baroque Catholic is heavy metal?
Speaker 2: Heavy metal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's so cool that people turn them
Speaker 1: upside down and they're like, yo, across you Like it's cool.
Speaker 2: The first time I ever saw the explosions and Evangelian
Speaker 2: and how like an explosion happens and it's across, I
Speaker 2: was like, that's the coolest shit I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Crosses are really edgy. They think about it's edgy.
Speaker 2: They're coole as fuck. Yeah, and and yeah, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of it is like, I'm just grabbing a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff that I think is cool, put it together,
Speaker 2: and then the first chance you get to step back
Speaker 2: and look at it as a whole, you're like, oh, ship,
Speaker 2: there's a theme here. Yes, I'm pulling, And then you
Speaker 2: can inject the intention exactly for sure.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows some some of them, you know,
Speaker 2: creators could be masterminding it from the very beginning examples.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's that's intentions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be one piece. One piece.
Speaker 3: I've never tried because it's just too much of a commitment.
Speaker 1: There is no try.
Speaker 2: Let me let me just let me, let me just
Speaker 2: put it to you like this. It will bless your
Speaker 2: whole entire life.
Speaker 1: It'll change your life. Yeah, I keep everyone says that
Speaker 1: because it's true.
Speaker 2: It's true. It can't be overstated.
Speaker 1: I tell Nick, I'm like, or like, in group conversation
Speaker 1: with our friends who haven't seen it, I'm like, having
Speaker 1: one piece in your life is something every day that
Speaker 1: can help you experience more joy when you have a show,
Speaker 1: Like when you have a show that is twelve hundred
Speaker 1: now and going plus episodes, that is like consistently amazing,
Speaker 1: consistently better and better and better and better. And the
Speaker 1: story is so big and it's so deep, and it's archetypal.
Speaker 1: Don't want to spoil anything, and it's very spiritual and
Speaker 1: like triumphant, and you have like X number of years
Speaker 1: of your life that you can show up and hit play.
Speaker 1: And it's this show that gives you that feeling that
Speaker 1: you're seeking when consuming media. It's like you literally have
Speaker 1: life before consuming one piece, and then during consuming one piece,
Speaker 1: because it never it's still still you know, it's like
Speaker 1: literally having it in your life gives you more joy.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I've heard some pretty strong recommendations for one Piece, but
Speaker 3: that takes the case. That's like takes the cake. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: that's glowing literally almost like claiming one piece is divine.
Speaker 2: It is honest it honestly it is. Don't want to
Speaker 2: spoil it, but it's it's I don't know, there's this
Speaker 2: meme that it's like peak fiction.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It kind of is like, yeah, it's shocking. It's hard
Speaker 2: to deny at this point it does this thing. I'm
Speaker 2: almost caught up. I only have a little bit left
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Sad about But then you have Mango for years.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, the manga after that and whatever. But I'm
Speaker 2: almost caught up, and I've only been watching like two three.
Speaker 1: And I've been two You're probably three years at this point,
Speaker 1: two and a half three, watching for two years now,
Speaker 1: and you have been watching like maybe a year or
Speaker 1: even less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was six months. Yeah, two and
Speaker 2: a half years, So okay, And it continues to shock me.
Speaker 2: From the first fifty episodes, you're like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: this is the coolest shit ever, like Pirates, this is awesome,
Speaker 2: and you think you know what the show is and
Speaker 2: you think you know how good it could possibly get,
Speaker 2: and then every single arc for twelve hundred episodes straight,
Speaker 2: they smack you in the face and say like you
Speaker 2: don't know shit, Like we will be ten times better
Speaker 2: than you think we will be, Like this show will
Speaker 2: be so much better than you think it could ever be.
Speaker 2: I'm almost at eleven hundred episodes and I'm still like
Speaker 2: my jaws on the floor almost every episode.
Speaker 1: Should you be on episode like eight point fifty and
Speaker 1: a character will walk up that's like one of the
Speaker 1: most important people in the world or something, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you heard their name like five hundred episodes,
Speaker 1: you never even seen them, and then they show up
Speaker 1: and it's say, oh shit, I gotta beat you. How
Speaker 1: am I gonna beat you? You know? It's like that.
Speaker 1: It's like everything is so out to a level that
Speaker 1: you literally have never experienced it never will experience other
Speaker 1: than this one experience, which is one piece. There's nothing
Speaker 1: like it. There never will be anything like.
Speaker 2: It's true they're in a unique position because it's been
Speaker 2: airing for so long. It's like like they never knew
Speaker 2: that they would get this much time to do the show.
Speaker 2: But once they started realizing that they would have enough time,
Speaker 2: which was around like water seven ish, they were like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do something that nobody else can do because
Speaker 2: we have the privilege of like they had the roadmap,
Speaker 2: they knew.
Speaker 3: It's almost like they have a second mastermind phase, which yes,
Speaker 3: they realized, okay, we have the runway to do something different.
Speaker 2: They saw the trajectory and they were like, okay, we
Speaker 2: are having like a dragon Ball level trajectory at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think they made a conscious decision to be
Speaker 2: like rather than rather than ending. At some point we
Speaker 2: are going to tell this story in the most fleshed
Speaker 2: out way possible and take our time.
Speaker 1: And here's something that we haven't even stated yet in
Speaker 1: the best and most important part of the show that
Speaker 1: it has like the highest degree of mystery.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, are.
Speaker 1: You ready for this?
Speaker 3: You ready?
Speaker 1: Nobody even knows what the One Piece is.
Speaker 2: No one, no one in the human world, the world
Speaker 2: like real life. I mean, well, the creator Oda and
Speaker 2: apparently like two or three other people they actually know
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 3: So they do have an end in mind that they're
Speaker 3: working towards.
Speaker 2: They've had it the whole time. He's had it the
Speaker 2: whole time, and he also said he has never once
Speaker 2: changed it never he will never change it. And he
Speaker 2: also said it's not some bullshit like the one Piece
Speaker 2: was the friends we made along the way or like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's real and it is going to like shock
Speaker 2: everyone that watches the show.
Speaker 1: And then around episode five hundred characters be like, the
Speaker 1: one Piece is real.
Speaker 2: I don't want to give too.
Speaker 1: Much away, but like it's crazy. The level of mystery
Speaker 1: is so the.
Speaker 2: People in the world, like the people in the Lord
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's a real thing or not,
Speaker 2: or what it is or what No, no one knows
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one little example.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's crazy. They have maintained this level of
Speaker 2: absolute mystery for such a long time and like, we
Speaker 2: still have no idea. There's been theories floating around for
Speaker 2: decades of what it is. We still don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we still don't.
Speaker 1: We still years away from that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's coming to a close.
Speaker 3: It's like have they given a timeline on like, you know,
Speaker 3: how old is this Oda guy?
Speaker 1: I mean he's.
Speaker 3: Okay, he's got time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's been having a lot of health issues
Speaker 2: over the years. They he works himself like a dog.
Speaker 2: But that they we are in like the final saga.
Speaker 2: They have declared of the.
Speaker 1: Mango, which is a few years ahead of the anime.
Speaker 2: It's about a year ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's coming to a close.
Speaker 1: Within the decade.
Speaker 2: I think I'm thinking within like five years max. It'll
Speaker 2: be over probably like three. We'll see though, we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the end of our one piece rant. We're one
Speaker 2: piece evangelists.
Speaker 1: Yes, we are profits and piece. I love that ship man,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing Washington day.
Speaker 3: You got a Power Rangers action figure back there?
Speaker 1: Oh you saw that, dude? Yeah, this was mine when
Speaker 1: I was a toddler.
Speaker 2: It's so cool.
Speaker 1: Power Rangers was created the year I was born. I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a big Power Rangers.
Speaker 3: I was a big Powers fan too.
Speaker 1: Got some Oh they're in the next one.
Speaker 2: It was huge in our house too. We were we
Speaker 2: were way into Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles.
Speaker 1: It's the lord' z dude.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: I loved the Mighty Morphin movie growing up, the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five one. I would watch it on repeat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, repeat, It's amazing. Ye, I have an ooze and
Speaker 2: lord' ed. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: If you guys could, if Twice Born could make a
Speaker 3: soundtrack for any game, what would you guys want to
Speaker 3: work on.
Speaker 2: Twice Born?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that gives you a little more narrow because
Speaker 3: I can think of a French couple franchise. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I could hear some Twice Born some metals in what Doom? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Thought if I like, if I got to choose, though,
Speaker 2: it would be God of War. It would absolutely be
Speaker 2: God of War. And I think that I think it's awesome.
Speaker 2: What they do with their soundtrack and their score, like
Speaker 2: being just like orchestral and using like those like authentic
Speaker 2: cultural instruments and ship I think it's really badass. But
Speaker 2: there are there are always moments in those games where
Speaker 2: I'm like, imagine if I was like brutally slaughtering this
Speaker 2: god right now to like the heaviest breakdown of all time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like, would that not be so sick? I'm
Speaker 2: having a hard time with this one, dude, Like, think
Speaker 2: about freaking think about in God War three, when you
Speaker 2: kill Poseidon, like and it's first person, it's like slowly, oh, dude,
Speaker 2: Like it would be sweet. It would be sick. Or
Speaker 2: the Hercules death in that one, one of my favorites,
Speaker 2: That one, one of my all time favorites. Smashes his
Speaker 2: face completely in the Chronos one where Chronos has you
Speaker 2: like this he has between his fingers. That one is brutal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that come on, man, Yeah, God warn it needs them
Speaker 2: twice Born up in.
Speaker 3: It for sure.
Speaker 1: Plus it's like esoteric, it's spiritual, Like the name even
Speaker 1: twice Born itself is a spiritual thing. Like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: would perfectly fit God War.
Speaker 3: Actually, I agree with you on the orchestral thing. I
Speaker 3: was actually just I'm working on a God of War
Speaker 3: two emulation.
Speaker 2: Video, and oh awesome. I I try to like.
Speaker 3: Make quick little remixes of songs for the YouTube videos.
Speaker 3: I just like ripped the MIDI throw it on a
Speaker 3: different instrument. Oh cool jingle. And I was listening for like, oh,
Speaker 3: what kind of warsong has like a cool little melody,
Speaker 3: And I thought the same thing. It's not that I'm
Speaker 3: dissing on orchestral music, and but it's like I've been
Speaker 3: hearing that style of soundtrack since i was a kid,
Speaker 3: every movie with Hans Zimmer behind the soundtrack like and
Speaker 3: it's and then you listen to something like an A
Speaker 3: twenty four film like Hidden Jam, Uncut Jam, and it's like,
Speaker 3: I'll synth and I'm like, man, I would love like
Speaker 3: a more like a dark synth cinematic instead of orchestral
Speaker 3: or doom. It's like metal doom its own thing. But
Speaker 3: it's I guess what I'm saying is I'm slightly rinsed
Speaker 3: burnt out on the movie sound like the genre of
Speaker 3: the movie soundtrack. Like it's not that it's a bad genre.
Speaker 3: I've just listened to so much of it for sure.
Speaker 2: I think it's just so effective, Like it's so it's effective,
Speaker 2: it's too effective.
Speaker 1: That's something I think it was so good about Stranger
Speaker 1: Things is because there was like heavy sense yes layered
Speaker 1: into the soundtrack. It made you think of the eighties.
Speaker 1: You know. Synth is one of my favorite instruments, Like,
Speaker 1: I love I love.
Speaker 2: It, awes, I love it.
Speaker 3: Dark electronic music is my thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to send your music. Can you send
Speaker 1: it to me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I want to listen, not send it. Can
Speaker 1: you send it?
Speaker 3: I said something in the Omi's Once, an early version
Speaker 3: of a track where I took the the Red Star
Speaker 3: Regulars prophecy. Oh yeah, I like relate it into a breakdown.
Speaker 3: It actually got pulled from that song. It's going to
Speaker 3: be like in the intro and outro of the album.
Speaker 3: Now our whole album, it's like me kind of injecting
Speaker 3: your guys' shit mixed with like my own.
Speaker 2: You know, now I have to hear it.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, the only thing I worry about sometimes. And
Speaker 3: I'm just being totally honest a little superstitious. It's like
Speaker 3: your dad's always talking about being positive, and I'm like
Speaker 3: working in inspiration from your guys story into like the
Speaker 3: Darkest and I'm like, I don't think your dad would
Speaker 3: actually like it if you heard it. He probably thinks, well,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: He probably wouldn't get it. Man, he's he's sixty three
Speaker 1: years old and he's not, you know, making music for fun,
Speaker 1: like he probably you know, it doesn't really matter. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. And it's it's art.
Speaker 1: You just have. It's it's a it's like a persona.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, fiction, you know, it's like you're I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he's heard. I'm sure he
Speaker 2: hasn't heard twice born, but I don't see he has. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think he would like it if he heard
Speaker 2: that either. But I mean, it's it's art. It's an
Speaker 2: artistic representation.
Speaker 1: It's an expression of yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I I got a couple of things wrong though.
Speaker 3: My sweatshirt is the upside down triangle. For some reason,
Speaker 3: I got mixed up when I heard the triangle of
Speaker 3: the beings. And then later you were talking about Rosa
Speaker 3: Crucianism in a different episode, and I think there was
Speaker 3: this concept of the true nature of the Godhead is
Speaker 3: actually the upside down triangle Father, Father, Mother, children of creation.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's such a cool concept, that like
Speaker 3: we're actually part of the Godhead and that there is
Speaker 3: a heavenly Mother. And Mormonism we actually have pretty strong
Speaker 3: old school Mormonism, not new school old school Mormonism. There's
Speaker 3: a very explicit Heavenly Mother.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: A lot of Christianity, and I know a lot of
Speaker 3: Christians wouldn't think Mormons a Christian I think that's fair.
Speaker 3: You can, you can say that, but I would consider
Speaker 3: them a Christian derivative. And so most Christian churches don't.
Speaker 3: From my understanding, I've been to like different ones. I
Speaker 3: know you grew up you guys. Both are Ryan in
Speaker 3: like a hardcore speaking and tongues type style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there.
Speaker 3: They don't talk about Heavenly Mother.
Speaker 2: No, no, No, that would be considered like evil. They
Speaker 2: would think if, yeah, if you suggest that anyone other
Speaker 2: than like Father, Son, holy Ghost have any sort of
Speaker 2: divinity whatsoever, that's like evil.
Speaker 3: But I guess the actual trip, I guess really it's
Speaker 3: that beings had a right side triangle and it's it's
Speaker 3: Father Son, Holy Ghost. But the Holy Ghost is the Mother?
Speaker 3: Is that the correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah? In a manner of speaking, the beings when they
Speaker 1: showed up with the triangle in their chest and say that,
Speaker 1: you know, they said, it's creation, right, it's trinity. But
Speaker 1: later the Lady in twenty twelve, when she appeared, she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm the secret missing part of the trinity.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, the Mother, the Holy Spirit, the divine feminine.
Speaker 1: And we're like what now what does this mean? And
Speaker 1: it took us, you know, all this time to like
Speaker 1: learn and understand what this meant.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I got it wrong.
Speaker 1: She had a triangle on her chest too.
Speaker 3: But it's right side up correct. Yeah. Yeah, so that
Speaker 3: makes me like, fuck, I have the upside down triango,
Speaker 3: which is the inversion.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no, because in symbology, the
Speaker 2: upfacing triangle is masculine and the down facing triangle is famine.
Speaker 3: Oh that makes sense, that will work. Then that It's fine.
Speaker 2: It's the sword and the cups yeah, or the sword
Speaker 2: and the cup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or it's like you know, reproductive, Yeah I get it,
Speaker 1: but serious the womb and and you know the staff
Speaker 1: and yeah, no, the for real, like that's it can
Speaker 1: be represented that way and even like the ovaries at
Speaker 1: the other parts of the triangle, or you know, the peanuts.
Speaker 1: On the pointed up triangle, the other two points are
Speaker 1: the peanuts, and then on a on an inverted triangle,
Speaker 1: the top two points are the ovaries. Oes.
Speaker 3: Yeahs, And would be really cool. I would be fun
Speaker 3: like YouTube video if I knew more to like do
Speaker 3: a forty five minute video on the symbolism of like
Speaker 3: the tri force, because the tri force is three trying
Speaker 3: and some of our I bet you could just like
Speaker 3: weave a really cool cool I don't know, just like
Speaker 3: a spitballing on all this stuff. Because the triangle itself
Speaker 3: is everywhere. It's in you, it's UFOs, it's in religion's.
Speaker 1: Strongest shape in nature, the rule of three.
Speaker 3: It's just everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's literally the strongest geometric shape in nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you ask like first responders, like firefighters, or or
Speaker 1: like rescue squads on police forces, when they go through
Speaker 1: training and like there's a building on fire or a
Speaker 1: collapsing structure or whatever, you cut triangles. If you're trying
Speaker 1: to breach into a building to rescue people, you cut
Speaker 1: triangles because it will still be able to support the building,
Speaker 1: it won't collapse as easy. Whoa, it's literally geometrically the
Speaker 1: strongest shape. WHOA think about that?
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I'm kind of still thinking about
Speaker 2: she nuts, but I mean, but I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I knew the whole the obviously
Speaker 2: that the principle that it's the strongest shape, but like
Speaker 2: as far as them cutting triangles to get it, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually you could totally do like a whole comprehensive breakdown
Speaker 2: of the triforce. Yeah, because it's also an ancient symbol,
Speaker 2: is an ancient Eastern.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure it's similar to a bunch of other
Speaker 3: ancient symbol It's that you could connect once you start researching.
Speaker 3: I bet you could find so many connections.
Speaker 1: Mystery traditions have a really cool explaining of the triangle,
Speaker 1: like and what it represents. Like, but before time and
Speaker 1: you know, material reality existed, there was this original consciousness.
Speaker 1: That's like a point, right if you think about it,
Speaker 1: like you're looking at a grid and you're like, how
Speaker 1: can I depict you know, reality and consciousness on a
Speaker 1: graph on a two dimensional plane. You have a point,
Speaker 1: and then that point gave the first expression or contemplation
Speaker 1: of itself. And now you have a line and you
Speaker 1: have two points, and that's when there began to be duality.
Speaker 1: This perfect all transcendent consciousness versus when it contemplated itself.
Speaker 1: But it is a creator being. It's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's the source of creation. So when it thinks, it creates, right,
Speaker 1: so it contemplates itself and therefore creates a lower reflection
Speaker 1: of itself or you know behind me here the lady,
Speaker 1: the second layer of the divine, and then from those
Speaker 1: two forces emanating beneath them or us, that third point.
Speaker 1: It's like creation, right, material reality. So like if you
Speaker 1: read all Rosicrucian manuscripts, they show you like it's a
Speaker 1: point and then it expresses itself and now there's duality,
Speaker 1: and then it expresses itself again and then it's like us,
Speaker 1: it's creation, and that's simplifying it.
Speaker 3: But I think you said in the first episode, obviously
Speaker 3: correct me, that the divine masculine was the logos and
Speaker 3: the divine feminine was like the will and the emotion.
Speaker 3: It goes together create action, which is creation. Like I
Speaker 3: remember being like thinking that was so cool. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: design a fucking brand around this. This is sick, but
Speaker 3: I think that you kind of sit a similar thing
Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, the the just the God contemplates.
Speaker 1: Itself, know thyself, right, you ever have that know thyself.
Speaker 3: And then because of that, then you get the material reality,
Speaker 3: which is us. I mean, yeah, I better explanation.
Speaker 1: Now we're here and we are fractal pieces of God. Right,
Speaker 1: So like our whole purpose in life, the whole spiritual
Speaker 1: game is like mirroring, you know, the journey of God,
Speaker 1: and it's like know thyself like the inner work, but
Speaker 1: like looking deep into oneself, contemplating the inner mysteries of
Speaker 1: your mind, transmuting your traumas and and your negativity even
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like it's really crazy. We're like
Speaker 1: it's as above so below like us here on the
Speaker 1: material earthly plane are how do we or mirror reflections
Speaker 1: of the higher plane of reality, the higher consciousness or
Speaker 1: intelligence know thyself? That's I think that's Aristotle but very profound.
Speaker 1: In order to be enlightened, you must know thyself, you
Speaker 1: must look within.
Speaker 3: Basically, I was just going to ask you also about
Speaker 3: your opinion on some of some Mormon stuff because I
Speaker 3: want to know if it connects to any other mystery
Speaker 3: things that maybe I'm not aware of, because I think
Speaker 3: some of the Mormon like rituals, I know that they
Speaker 3: were inspired or derivatives or lifted from things that came
Speaker 3: Some of it I know about. Some of it I don't,
Speaker 3: and I want to. I'm just curious. Like one of
Speaker 3: the biggest ones is I've always thought it was super
Speaker 3: heavy metal, and if you grow up Mormon, you just
Speaker 3: think it's kind of normal because it's just like taught
Speaker 3: to you normal and it's just you don't realize it.
Speaker 3: But we have this thing we do for the youth.
Speaker 3: You can start doing it once you're twelve, and you
Speaker 3: can get baptized for the dead, which just that alone,
Speaker 3: that's a metal song.
Speaker 1: Baptists dead invert just because of.
Speaker 2: That, Yes, convert from it to it.
Speaker 3: Oh and before people get weirded out by it, and
Speaker 3: people also think it's really cool, it goes. I think
Speaker 3: it's actually kind of cool. But the concept is you
Speaker 3: can't get baptized if you don't have a body, So
Speaker 3: you get baptized in proxy for a dead person, which
Speaker 3: is like in a cult voodoo ritual whoa in like
Speaker 3: a Christian but they wrap it up in like Christian stuff,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't you know, the building you go to,
Speaker 3: the temple doesn't look like a cult like voodoo and dark.
Speaker 3: It's all nice. And they spend tons of money on
Speaker 3: these buildings. And if you look up the inside of
Speaker 3: these temples, they're absolutely gorgeous. They hire like the best people.
Speaker 3: They just go all they go balls to the wall
Speaker 3: and then they build a baptismal font that sits on
Speaker 3: the back of twelve oxen. Like shit, you not, this
Speaker 3: is epic as fuck. Like you look at these pictures,
Speaker 3: they look like they're crazy. Now they say within Mormonism
Speaker 3: that the twelve ox and simp or the ox or
Speaker 3: the cows, whatever they're called, symbolize the twelve tribes of Israel.
Speaker 3: But I know that twelve is a number that appears.
Speaker 3: Like you guys had the Zoraster episode I thought was awesome,
Speaker 3: where well, first off, good thoughts, good words, good deeds.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's the name of the episode.
Speaker 3: It's like the simple that's my family model. So I
Speaker 3: teach my kids like it's the simplest way I think
Speaker 3: to disteal spirituality. Just those things. Just what you think
Speaker 3: becomes your words, and when your words become your actions,
Speaker 3: make them good things work out. Like That's the simplest
Speaker 3: way I could explain it to like a five year
Speaker 3: old on how to be. But anyway, so like the
Speaker 3: twelve tribe, I remember you saying, I think correctly that
Speaker 3: he went on into the river, had a vision, and
Speaker 3: there was the one main light, but there was twelve
Speaker 3: lights around it.
Speaker 1: Forster for a dior asterism. When went into a cave
Speaker 1: up on a mountain?
Speaker 3: Is it a cave or a river? I probably it's
Speaker 3: probably mean you got it wrong.
Speaker 1: It's I think it went up into a cave on
Speaker 1: top of a mountain, and he had this experience with
Speaker 1: a horror. Mazda was a horror.
Speaker 3: Horror.
Speaker 2: Mazda is the light, Yeah, the god God got into
Speaker 2: yeah God.
Speaker 1: And then Arinu is the bad one or Ariman or
Speaker 1: I think it's angrim Minu is like the evil reflection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ying Yang.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in a like you know, the
Speaker 3: butterfly effect. I feel like reality change because I swear
Speaker 3: to God that he went underwater and had a vision,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was it was similar to baptism
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's so weird. It's so much older
Speaker 3: than any of these.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure it was in a cave.
Speaker 3: No, you're I would say, I'm a lifelong pot heead.
Speaker 3: I've been Snoop Dogg for twenty five years, so I
Speaker 3: do not trust my memory.
Speaker 1: It's been pretty sharp. You've been calling on episodes that
Speaker 1: are like from years ago.
Speaker 3: It's good sometimes and not good sometimes. What sucks is
Speaker 3: I've actually brought that up and talked about it to
Speaker 3: other people, and I've just told him the wrong story
Speaker 3: about Zoraster because I just thought it was so cool.
Speaker 3: But did he see twelve lights?
Speaker 1: No, he saw one. He saw one and it was
Speaker 1: Ahura Mazda and it came and it told him basically.
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't read the gaith as myself, but
Speaker 1: you know, just the gist of what they said or
Speaker 1: what it said was like basically, hey, you know this
Speaker 1: is the truth, Like I'm God. Basically Houra Mazda the creator.
Speaker 1: And there's also an evil shadow and evil reflection who
Speaker 1: is a liar and is evil and is trying to
Speaker 1: pervert the hearts of mankind and make them wicked and
Speaker 1: live and lies and deceit and it's araminu or also
Speaker 1: known as ariiman and a hoa mazda. Basically was like,
Speaker 1: you know, good thoughts, good words, good deeds, like you
Speaker 1: have to purify your mind, you have to be righteous,
Speaker 1: you have to live in truth, you have to kind
Speaker 1: of align with delight and the truth, and you know
Speaker 1: you'll make it to heaven or whatever.
Speaker 3: But is there multiple versions?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, over time it got twisted, just like everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a version that and maybe you've brought this
Speaker 3: up as like a later version on the episode. There
Speaker 3: is a version where he was bathing in a river
Speaker 3: m during the purification ritual. Then he had this vision
Speaker 3: of ahura masta what you just said.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is what it is. I thought it was
Speaker 1: up on a mountain for some reason.
Speaker 2: There's so many of these myths that are like almost
Speaker 2: the same, yeah, and then like minor yeah, different, But
Speaker 2: if you think about it, even like like going underwater
Speaker 2: in a river and going into a cave is like
Speaker 2: the underworld.
Speaker 3: Symbolically, it's the same idea.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, symbolic of going into the depths below and
Speaker 2: then coming out with a new Yeah, it's exactly. It's
Speaker 2: symbolizing the underworb consciousnes Yes.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: Have you guys ever seen a YouTube video? I think
Speaker 3: it's called Icy Goat too? No, oh my god, it's
Speaker 3: so good. I would almost it's kind of long to
Speaker 3: do live. It's seven minutes and thirty seconds. You got
Speaker 3: to watch that video. It came out like eleven years ago.
Speaker 3: Eleven years ago.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: I don't want to say anything more than okay. It's
Speaker 3: a three D animation that a guy created. It's got
Speaker 3: Jesus and a cult and watch it and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And it came out eleven.
Speaker 2: Oh, I See Goat.
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Not the video, but
Speaker 1: that's uh George Bush.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know this. George Bush is in it.
Speaker 1: It's creepy man. The day of nine to eleven. He's
Speaker 1: in an elementary school like when the Twin Towers, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's reading this children's book called I See Goat
Speaker 1: Okay to them and it talks about like plane hit Hit.
Speaker 1: It's really weird, dude, and.
Speaker 3: It's very weird. And that's all in this. So the
Speaker 3: video starts out with this like it's animating this. There's
Speaker 3: like music, but I'll I'll say, is it goes from that,
Speaker 3: it goes through You're like, oh, this is a nine
Speaker 3: to eleven conspiracy video, right, and then it's like no,
Speaker 3: it goes through all the religions, It goes through all
Speaker 3: of time. In the end, it ends with like Jesus
Speaker 3: and his third eye in his heart, like breaking. It's
Speaker 3: it just goes places.
Speaker 1: You just yeah, I'll definitely watch it go there.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, I'm gonna watch that as soon as Badass would.
Speaker 3: I would love to hear your breakdown of that, because
Speaker 3: it's one of those things I've watched probably twenty times
Speaker 3: over the last like ten years. I go back to
Speaker 3: it and then I go online and I read read
Speaker 3: it and people trying to break it down, and it's
Speaker 3: it's true art where it resonates with everybody, but nobody
Speaker 3: like gets the same thing out of it. Yeah, every
Speaker 3: but everyone resonates with it.
Speaker 2: That's pretty curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the listeners anyone. It's on YouTube. It's definitely
Speaker 3: weird and it's kind of dark and unnerving in a way,
Speaker 3: but it's not like scary or scarier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. Yeah, yeah, I think these subjects for
Speaker 1: some people are unnerving.
Speaker 3: It is like the first time I did d MT,
Speaker 3: it was the a few times I've done it a
Speaker 3: bunch wo.
Speaker 2: I uh, it's it was.
Speaker 3: I remember thinking like, oh, the spiritual realm or the
Speaker 3: other realm is like more foreign and dark than I
Speaker 3: thought it would be because you grow up like Christian
Speaker 3: and religious, and it's like the other realm is like clouds. Yeah, there,
Speaker 3: and then the reality is that's sort of true, but
Speaker 3: it's also like so different and unnatural. It's one it's
Speaker 3: scary because it's so it's abstract. It's abstract, but it's
Speaker 3: it's it's darker than I anticipated, like in the way
Speaker 3: you perceived it, but in the feeling not like not
Speaker 3: like scary, I'm in danger dark like mysterious, unknown, ominous, Yes,
Speaker 3: ominous that's the right word. That's the right word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that completely. I've the same way, like
Speaker 1: it was very ominous and very like whoa, like almost
Speaker 1: like alien in a sense, not like green and alien,
Speaker 1: but like foreign like whoa. It's so different and abstract,
Speaker 1: like baffles the brain.
Speaker 3: I think that's how things are. Back to your family.
Speaker 3: Your experience has both positive and negative. Yeah, right, it's
Speaker 3: not like yes, it's a blessing, And I know your
Speaker 3: Dad's like it's all overall a blessing, but it's also
Speaker 3: been it seems like the darker you can go, you're
Speaker 3: you're a bit deeper you can go to Hell also
Speaker 3: expands your ability to experience higher highs. Yes, Like the
Speaker 3: only way that you can experience ultimate love is you
Speaker 3: have to experience ultimate despair or I think so or
Speaker 3: something like that, and that's the way I go ahead.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry too. But like the more trauma
Speaker 1: or the more like like you said, like the more
Speaker 1: negativity you're suffering that you do experience, you can and
Speaker 1: it's like a pendulum. It can go equal measure the
Speaker 1: other way. And I can tell you that over eighteen
Speaker 1: years of doing this and getting thousands and thousands of
Speaker 1: messages from people throughout the years, but mostly my dad,
Speaker 1: but now I get them too. For the last six
Speaker 1: years i've been public, the main driving force behind people
Speaker 1: having experiences with the phenomenon is experiencing some form of trauma.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's what I forget. The guy's name is on
Speaker 3: Jesse Michaels if anyone's interested. The America American Alchemy podcast,
Speaker 3: I think is fantastic from the subject for the most part.
Speaker 3: And they've had a couple of people say when they're
Speaker 3: recruiting for psionic assets, they look for people with trauma
Speaker 3: in their background because it's for some reason trauma. And
Speaker 3: even if it's like that, this goes to the dark side, right,
Speaker 3: If you have the idea of the force, right, ultimately,
Speaker 3: if you have this binary thing good and evil, then
Speaker 3: if there's ultimate good like we're talking about, then there
Speaker 3: must all be ultimate evil. And I think ultimate evil
Speaker 3: the dark side of the force is you can gain
Speaker 3: power or expand your abilities, or your awareness or your
Speaker 3: intuition and your connection to the divine through terrible dark trauma.
Speaker 3: And some people have taken that path, like some people
Speaker 3: like legitimately, as much as I think Dark Vader is cool,
Speaker 3: the reality of like someone who goes down that path,
Speaker 3: I don't even want to talk about. Some of the
Speaker 3: things allegedly that happened were people who it's just like shit.
Speaker 3: And that's one thing I've noticed about your dad's story
Speaker 3: and other people's story like Whitney Strieber, and none of that,
Speaker 3: all of them agree, but they do all have traumatic lives,
Speaker 3: almost all them. I can't think of one that doesn't
Speaker 3: your dad in particular. But I remember reading the UFO
Speaker 3: of God book, which I recommend. I killed it in
Speaker 3: a day. I just remember. I just remember thinking, like, dude,
Speaker 3: this guy's life has been NonStop, just crazy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trauma.
Speaker 3: And one thing that I was I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: about is does he I know, he got healed from
Speaker 3: the stuff, but he talks a lot in the book
Speaker 3: about the arthritis from I guess the contact is that
Speaker 3: still is that just like, Okay, I got healed from
Speaker 3: Krohn's disease, but I got arthritis in exchange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean that that's been speculated
Speaker 1: by government and Vatican officials. I mean, how could we
Speaker 1: ever know for sure. It's not like the beings are
Speaker 1: going to come down and give a diagnosis, so we
Speaker 1: really don't know. Yeah, but what I do know is
Speaker 1: he does still have rheumatoid, but it goes in and
Speaker 1: out of remission and it's nowhere near as bad as
Speaker 1: it used to be. Every now and then, like if
Speaker 1: he works his hands too much, if he's doing some
Speaker 1: sort of construction type thing at the house or at
Speaker 1: my house or whatever, then he'll have like a flare
Speaker 1: up and for a few days his hands are hurt,
Speaker 1: but for the most part he is experiencing remission.
Speaker 2: And there was a time where he could barely walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he couldn't even button up his pants or tie
Speaker 1: his shoes or he.
Speaker 3: Talked about that the book like gardening. I remember him
Speaker 3: talking about gardening while his hands were all messed up. Yep,
Speaker 3: and I was I remember just thinking, like Jesus Christ
Speaker 3: pun intended, I guess, like dude, to get this guy
Speaker 3: a break, like yeah, you know, And anyway, I've just
Speaker 3: I've wondered about that, like I had. I think I
Speaker 3: told you I had an ORB experience. I did tell you.
Speaker 3: I know I told you. And all I've had is
Speaker 3: that one experience. And I've sought experiences and I've asked
Speaker 3: for experiences or just like something my whole life. And
Speaker 3: sometimes I've wondered to see their two things. I've had
Speaker 3: a really awesome life for them, like if you zoom
Speaker 3: out compared to other people. Not that I don't have shit,
Speaker 3: but realistically I've had a very blessed life. I don't
Speaker 3: think I have a ton of trauma in that sense.
Speaker 3: And the oh, I'm like, so maybe I just have
Speaker 3: to experience more or two. I've thought like maybe I
Speaker 3: was like an actual Darth Vader character in the previous life,
Speaker 3: and like I got a long way to come up.
Speaker 3: And I mean, just like joking, I'm not being you know,
Speaker 3: I don't fully think that, but sometimes I wonder. And
Speaker 3: I've always thought like, why would the phenomena or God
Speaker 3: or the divine have it set up this way? And
Speaker 3: to me, it must mean that if you believe the
Speaker 3: phenomena or God of the divine is all powerful, it
Speaker 3: also seems to be there must be certain laws that
Speaker 3: the way the universe works, that you just have to
Speaker 3: do things a certain way, even if you're God right.
Speaker 3: Otherwise I would be like if I had a bunch
Speaker 3: of creations and children, I wouldn't want to make them
Speaker 3: go through the ship we go through. I don't want
Speaker 3: my kids, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you send them to school and make them
Speaker 1: do their homework and you know, teach the plan and
Speaker 1: teach them exactly, and you know, when they act up,
Speaker 1: they get in trouble. You know, there's certain things that
Speaker 1: like you wish didn't happen to you. But then you're like,
Speaker 1: but I have to do it because I'm molding them
Speaker 1: to be a certain way. I'm molding them to be successful, right,
Speaker 1: And it's kind of the same thing I feel. And
Speaker 1: also like, yeah, I think that it is law that
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, what would be the good in giving
Speaker 1: your child the answers of their homework? They're not learning,
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, Well that's that's because that's what we're
Speaker 1: going to fail the test.
Speaker 3: That's where us we don't. But if I was an
Speaker 3: all powerful being, why couldn't I give them the answers
Speaker 3: in a way where they would have it the same
Speaker 3: way as if they like, I.
Speaker 1: Must not be able to do that because you are
Speaker 1: a contemplation of this all powerful being. You are a
Speaker 1: thought within the mind of this all powerful, powerful being.
Speaker 1: You're like a shadow or or reflection of it. And
Speaker 1: just like when it originally contemplated itself, now you are
Speaker 1: here to contemplate yourself and therefore contemplate the universe. Like
Speaker 1: it's a it's a test, it's a lesson, Like you
Speaker 1: have to grow. You can't just be like, you know,
Speaker 1: you joined the military. They're like, all right, great, here's
Speaker 1: a rifle.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: No, they got to like mold you and shape you
Speaker 1: and prepare you for war and condition you. And that's
Speaker 1: what life is. It's like a conditioning experience for you
Speaker 1: to your consciousness to grow to be ready for I
Speaker 1: guess as I understand it, like eternity in the other world,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And when you know, maybe you didn't
Speaker 1: quite make it in this life, all right, well you
Speaker 1: got to come to it again exactly. You know, you
Speaker 1: stolen a lot of people in this one. Now you're
Speaker 1: going to be robbed in the next one, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you learn, ooh, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: that in another lifetime, you know. And it's like that,
Speaker 1: over and over and whittling away all of these parts
Speaker 1: of your consciousness that are impure until eventually you got
Speaker 1: to figure it out. That's what the Rosicrucians teach and
Speaker 1: all these other mystical societies that like, that's the purpose
Speaker 1: of reincarnation is over time you're becoming more and more
Speaker 1: pure between lives. You know.
Speaker 3: It's it makes it resonates with me. It makes sense
Speaker 3: to me. It's one of the only ways that I
Speaker 3: can grapple with the fact that there is so much
Speaker 3: suffering in the world. You know. It's like well, how
Speaker 3: does that make sense? Well, if if you if we're
Speaker 3: all one consciousness, we're all contemplations are the same being.
Speaker 3: You are the blessed person, and you are also child
Speaker 3: born into slavery. You're both.
Speaker 1: You're also the creator.
Speaker 3: You're also the creator. So it's fair in the sense
Speaker 3: that it's not like, hey, I have an awesome life
Speaker 3: and this person doesn't, or my life sucks and this
Speaker 3: person's life is awesome. We all have the same thing.
Speaker 3: And then if you tack on the reincarnations, well over,
Speaker 3: if you zoom out, it may seem unfair right now,
Speaker 3: but if you zoom out over hundreds thousands of lifetimes,
Speaker 3: it is going to make sense. And so that the
Speaker 3: idea of collective consciousness and reincarnation is the only way
Speaker 3: I've been able to tell myself something that can kind
Speaker 3: of quell that existential why are things the way they are?
Speaker 3: And then I can just stop worrying about that and
Speaker 3: just get back to good thoughts, good words, good deeds,
Speaker 3: because that's what you got to do, right, And I
Speaker 3: think if you focus on those three things, you sort
Speaker 3: of naturally head the direction you're SPI to go, right.
Speaker 3: I totally agree, Yeah, that's try how I approach it.
Speaker 3: And I think I I think podcasts like yours are important.
Speaker 3: I think people need spiritual framework to approach reality. Like,
Speaker 3: for example, my wife just went through like a really
Speaker 3: bad mental period like nine months to ten months, and
Speaker 3: we lost her brother and my brother a year ago.
Speaker 3: Oh no, and she we had left Mormonism, and she
Speaker 3: never had kind of faced some of this stuff without
Speaker 3: like a spiritual story to tell herself, right, right, And
Speaker 3: so she was fine, and she was like for years,
Speaker 3: she's never been depressed, and she just thought, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know the answers, and I'm okay with not knowing.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna try to be the best person. And
Speaker 3: that's where she was. And she thought she was okay
Speaker 3: with not knowing until she had to face some new
Speaker 3: shit and then it was like, okay, I've actually got
Speaker 3: to explore deeper into the spirit and you can't. Basically
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say, is you can't ignore that. Not
Speaker 3: only is it real, but you can't ignore it. And
Speaker 3: if you do ignore it, life is going to basically
Speaker 3: force you to face it at some point. There's no
Speaker 3: way around it. No one gets out alive, Nobody unless
Speaker 3: I guess you unless you just really did get resided.
Speaker 3: There might be one guy who got out alive, but
Speaker 3: everybody else.
Speaker 1: Might be a few of them.
Speaker 3: We don't know yet.
Speaker 1: Thousands of years ago there could have been Tibetan monks
Speaker 1: who's just like, I'm ready to leave my body. You know,
Speaker 1: you never know, man, that's true, you don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it is impossible.
Speaker 3: So I do want to ask some like I know,
Speaker 3: I'm asking more stuff as a fan of the show,
Speaker 3: So I guess my listeners can just deal with it.
Speaker 3: Your dad was that Your dad was recently on the
Speaker 3: Sean Ryan episode, yeah, or the Shawan Ryan podcast, and
Speaker 3: he said some particularly one big thing that I have
Speaker 3: thought or deduced from consuming all your guys's content in
Speaker 3: his story about this idea, like you said, context with
Speaker 3: people who don't know part of your dad's experience, he
Speaker 3: was told this prophecy, I'm summarizing something around the red
Speaker 3: star of Regulus aligning with the gaze of the Sphinx,
Speaker 3: and that's somewhere around Easter twenty twenty six, right right, Okay.
Speaker 3: And he's talked about this for a long time, and
Speaker 3: there's other cultures that have the age of Aquarius or revelation,
Speaker 3: and this concept of like the switching of ages or
Speaker 3: the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Has been around him very ancient.
Speaker 3: It's very ancient, and I think we probably had multiples
Speaker 3: of these. But he he came out in a way
Speaker 3: on the Sean Ryan episode that was like more confident
Speaker 3: and straightforward than I've ever heard him talk about, and
Speaker 3: particularly talking about Jesus, which seems like he's been very
Speaker 3: careful about talking about and I know with his background
Speaker 3: in the Christian Church, him not being treated well when
Speaker 3: he talked about So I'm really curious as a fan
Speaker 3: of the show, was intentional on this episode we are
Speaker 3: going to kind of openly say some things, predict some things,
Speaker 3: be more straightforward because in the past he's always been
Speaker 3: like I saw things, I was told things. But I
Speaker 3: don't want to be seen as a prophet. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be say Nike, I don't want to scare people.
Speaker 3: I just want to spread positivity. And he kind of
Speaker 3: kept a certain distance and he closed that distance in
Speaker 3: my opinion on that episode, and I just want to know,
Speaker 3: was that spur of the moment or I just give
Speaker 3: me an insight to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were some things leading up to
Speaker 1: that that I think had emboldened him to speak his
Speaker 1: mind a little more clearly, some instances where we were
Speaker 1: experiencing heavy suppression or just straight up like portraying us
Speaker 1: in a very negative way. Not that I want to
Speaker 1: go into specifics, but I'll also say that that conversation
Speaker 1: was misconstrued to a point, and I will say, like
Speaker 1: he made it very clear in the clip that he said,
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe it's the lady, maybe it's the
Speaker 1: heavenly host. I don't know. I just know that a
Speaker 1: piece of Heaven is coming here to help us and
Speaker 1: to help us have a better life. And the way
Speaker 1: the conversation on the edited version that is titled the
Speaker 1: Episode We Never Censored, Dad said the return, and Sean
Speaker 1: said of Christ and Dad said, well, yeah, well I
Speaker 1: don't know. But the real.
Speaker 3: Way shared on social media is that he's predicted the
Speaker 3: second coming of Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's stupid. It's not the reality, you know,
Speaker 1: And it is what it is that that you know,
Speaker 1: people people hear a line out of a whole thing
Speaker 1: and they they go nuts, you know, and it is
Speaker 1: what it is. But yeah, you know, and I will
Speaker 1: tell you sitting in the room while recording, the actual
Speaker 1: conversation was a little different, and actually parts of that
Speaker 1: conversation was why was never going to air in the
Speaker 1: first place. So it's interesting, you know that the actual
Speaker 1: aired product, which aired three days after my tweet, was
Speaker 1: just a little bit misconstrued.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit misconstrued. Yeah, I do. There
Speaker 3: was a new detail that I had never heard. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I missed it in the book or
Speaker 3: it wasn't in the book. There's so much information out there,
Speaker 3: but for someone who's been a beating dead horse like
Speaker 3: ravid fan of your story and lots of people's story
Speaker 3: in this space, I had never heard about the medication
Speaker 3: in the like the being that he talked to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first medication early book.
Speaker 3: It is it in the book. I must have gotten
Speaker 3: that because you chimed in, because Sean asked, like other
Speaker 3: videos of this or recordings of this, and your dad
Speaker 3: was like, I think my wife has them somewhere. And
Speaker 3: then you chimed in and he's like, oh, Ryan, the
Speaker 3: sun is talking to us, and you said something like yeah,
Speaker 3: he used to just stare at the wall and we
Speaker 3: didn't know.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean he was talking like he was.
Speaker 3: Talking to somebody that we couldn't see. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like, oh it all really happened.
Speaker 1: It's like traumatic stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just always these new details that come out
Speaker 3: over time. And I thought that episode was really, really good.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that things were taken out or miscontrued.
Speaker 3: I did think that.
Speaker 1: It's titled the episode We Never censored, man.
Speaker 3: I did think that was tongue in response to your
Speaker 3: tweet where he was kind of like saying, he like,
Speaker 3: this is fake news. We didn't. I thought it was
Speaker 3: like a little not degrading, but like condescending. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the vibe. It was a little kind of like
Speaker 3: it's yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you awesome.
Speaker 2: It did seem kind of like it was a direct response.
Speaker 1: To your But do you know what I got out
Speaker 1: of that that we are making systematic change, actual systematic change,
Speaker 1: and that the truth is very hard to suppressed anymore.
Speaker 1: You can change it, you can alter it, you can
Speaker 1: maybe cut a conversation to make it look quicker and
Speaker 1: more pointed towards one part, but you know, the truth
Speaker 1: is hard to suppressed.
Speaker 3: It it's only going to last so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what he actually said was, I don't know the return,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe of maybe the lady will come, maybe
Speaker 1: it's the beings. It's going to be a new knowledge
Speaker 1: that a peace of heaven is coming here. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can only speculate.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you clarified that, because if someone was pretty familiar,
Speaker 3: I felt like it was slightly out of character. And
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean it, it's not like they
Speaker 3: changed his words, but I'm like, man, the way that
Speaker 3: they would Sean ask like Jesus am I I've never
Speaker 3: heard him say that. But yeah. He also made a
Speaker 3: multiple points on other subjects where he said, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just think this, like right. He was very careful
Speaker 3: about that the whole time, and I think that's another
Speaker 3: thing that makes me more bullish on your dad's story
Speaker 3: is just the way he talks about things. He's and
Speaker 3: he's also gotten very good at telling the story over
Speaker 3: twenty years. I was good, I've heard this, I've heard
Speaker 3: the river incident so many times at this point, but
Speaker 3: even on that episode and then on the recent episode
Speaker 3: on your podcast, like he's gotten better at putting the
Speaker 3: most important points kind of condensed down to what you need. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: Whereas the first time I heard him on Richard Dolan,
Speaker 3: it was like five hours and I loved it. I
Speaker 3: want all the content. But you can also hear him
Speaker 3: say that in like a good thirty forty five minutes
Speaker 3: and it's pretty much the gist of it and everything
Speaker 3: you need to know, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought so.
Speaker 3: I thought the overall thought the Shinewine episode was good.
Speaker 3: I did think that title was a direct kind of
Speaker 3: mini fuck you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I get it. He's a super big you know, he's
Speaker 3: up here and has this huge audience and he's kind
Speaker 3: of like the big dog in the room. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: I guess now we're up there on the big audience.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I know, it's like, it's still good. I'm still glad
Speaker 3: to aired. I'm super glad to air, and I think
Speaker 3: I still would recommend people checking it out. Maybe, I
Speaker 3: don't know, do you feel like that's a good one
Speaker 3: for people to check out?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, why not. I think it's good.
Speaker 1: It's my dad sitting there like telling it, you know, like.
Speaker 3: It's a crazy story. I know, I'm kind of just spitballing. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad to have you for.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I I there is a two
Speaker 1: hour time difference here, I think because you're in Utah, right,
Speaker 1: so it's like it's getting kind of late for us.
Speaker 1: So but we we I want to ask you one
Speaker 1: final hard hitting question. Okay, I know you didn't expect
Speaker 1: to be asked a question, all right, Really think about
Speaker 1: this because your your entire channel is on the line
Speaker 1: with this answer.
Speaker 2: On the line.
Speaker 1: Well, and not a bad way. I just mean, like
Speaker 1: you know, you're not it's important. This is everything you've
Speaker 1: been working towards. Is this answer right here?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: What's your all time favorite video game?
Speaker 3: My all time favorite game?
Speaker 1: Yes, you asked us? I know I need to know right,
Speaker 1: it's on the line. I need his channel's on the line.
Speaker 2: It's on the line.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: If you don't answer this right, it's over. It's over.
Speaker 2: You lose your channel, you lose everything.
Speaker 3: Typically I say a lesser known JRPG called Sue codin two. Wow,
Speaker 3: I don't know it never Yeah, I know, so normally,
Speaker 3: I well, I shouldn't say typically. I don't always say
Speaker 3: that because it's just lesser known and I don't think
Speaker 3: it's the greatest made game. It just for the right
Speaker 3: reasons in the right time hit me. But when I
Speaker 3: want to just talk about one I would know, I
Speaker 3: would say Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. Oh, I can't believe
Speaker 3: that's a real game. I can't believe that game. I mean,
Speaker 3: it got shipped in a terrible state. That kept working
Speaker 3: on it for seven and it was still amazing, and
Speaker 3: it's still amazing, And I.
Speaker 1: In that terrible state, loved it.
Speaker 3: I mean I played on PC when it launched. It
Speaker 3: wasn't that bad. The PS four version was terrible, I guess,
Speaker 3: but and it wasn't. It wasn't which or three. But
Speaker 3: I replayed it recently when the DC came out, I
Speaker 3: went through the whole game from scratch again. It has
Speaker 3: the most hours they've ever put into game. It's not
Speaker 3: the most emotional I've ever been. It's not the most
Speaker 3: fun or social thing, but it is my appreciation for
Speaker 3: the art of video games. I just fucking loved video
Speaker 3: I mean that's all. I make video game content all day.
Speaker 3: Like I love video games because I think that they
Speaker 3: are essentially a meta art. They're an aggregate art. They
Speaker 3: take all the traditional art forms that we've loved together
Speaker 3: and they put them together. You know, music's been around forever,
Speaker 3: Art's been around together, Painting has been around, stories, stories
Speaker 3: have been around since the dawn of time. That the
Speaker 3: oldest art form. They put it all together, and then
Speaker 3: they add this new element which is more modern, which
Speaker 3: is the art form of creating a gameplay loop, like
Speaker 3: interactive loop. So they just take all the different art
Speaker 3: forms together. And when you look at the scope of
Speaker 3: Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven of what they were able to act,
Speaker 3: to accomplish and put together, the density, the amount of lines,
Speaker 3: the amount of art direction, the amount of music, the
Speaker 3: amount of the amount of shit that no one will
Speaker 3: ever see. But in that game, it's mind boggling. It
Speaker 3: is mind boggling.
Speaker 2: You can just sit in.
Speaker 1: One spot and listen to two NPCs talk for like
Speaker 1: two hours and you'll never hear that. They don't repeat,
Speaker 1: They don't fucking repeat. That's just it's crazy. All the
Speaker 1: NPCs are like.
Speaker 2: It's so weird. I was gonna say, like, if you
Speaker 2: are just in like the middle of like a city
Speaker 2: center in that game and you just stand still and
Speaker 2: look around, you're.
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 2: This is a real place that the people move authentically,
Speaker 2: they interact with each other. There's like people selling shit
Speaker 2: to NPCs, Like shit is just happening around you, and
Speaker 2: you're like, this would be doing this if I wasn't here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is that's a huge thing in game. That's one
Speaker 2: of the reasons that I think Skyrim was such a
Speaker 2: big deal and it was so shocking and amazing to
Speaker 2: people because it felt like that it was.
Speaker 1: Kind of like that first game where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you see that over there, you can go to it? Yes,
Speaker 1: like advertisements exactly, that mountain over there, you can go
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: The also the three Reveal of Sky.
Speaker 1: You see that mountain, you can go to that mountain.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up the NPC point. That's when
Speaker 3: I brought up a few times. I remember sitting and
Speaker 3: listening to NPC's argue politics in like the in game lore,
Speaker 3: Like I like, I kind of knew who one of
Speaker 3: the candidates were from some of the notes I read,
Speaker 3: but they were having this argument about politics, like fake
Speaker 3: politics in the world of cyberpunk in night City, and
Speaker 3: like what was going on with the different countries. I
Speaker 3: just sat there and like listen to them waiting for
Speaker 3: it to loop, and they just kept talking. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to sit here and wait forever. But okay, you
Speaker 3: got me like you went longer than I'm willing to
Speaker 3: wait to see.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: The game is so good, dude. I need I need
Speaker 1: to finish it for sure. Another one of those games
Speaker 1: that I just never finished because it's like I don't
Speaker 1: want it to end, and then I just never ended.
Speaker 3: I have one more recommendation and I'll let you guys go. Okay,
Speaker 3: have you played Last of.
Speaker 1: Us two or Last No, I haven't played either.
Speaker 3: Okay, you definitely have to play Last of Us one first,
Speaker 3: or you could watch the show get the same kind of.
Speaker 1: Just I saw the first episode. I thought it was
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 3: Okay, Last of Us two is the It made me legitimately,
Speaker 3: maybe not full weep, but pretty close to like an
Speaker 3: actual but like a weep, like a rough, ugly cry.
Speaker 3: And it's around father son, father daughter themes. And I
Speaker 3: know you said that with God of War, Nick, that
Speaker 3: was a big one for you. But in order to
Speaker 3: have the full impact of that moment, and that's all
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, is you have to play through
Speaker 3: one because it's two is a direct sequel. But if
Speaker 3: you do that, it's probably like twelve hours thirteen hours
Speaker 3: for game one and maybe fifteen to eighteen hours for
Speaker 3: game two. You're talking fifty hour commitment. Yeah, to have
Speaker 3: I think the most emotionally, it's if you're judging art
Speaker 3: by its ability to elicit in an emotional reaction, this
Speaker 3: might be the goat for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extremely emotional.
Speaker 3: It I just didn't they weren't that positive emotions, So like,
Speaker 3: I don't ever want to do it again. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: It's like that movie was amazing, but I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I've seen it once is enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, they're those games are notoriously gut wrenching. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like in terms of emotion, they will rip your heart
Speaker 2: out and blend them and yeah no that that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. That's like, you gotta give me a happy ending, dude,
Speaker 2: come on now, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Badass again, I've had a I had an ORB experience.
Speaker 3: I think these guys are telling the truth. I think
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Speaker 3: impact how your body looks tomorrow. I think what absolutely,
Speaker 3: I think what you think, say and do today will
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