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<v Speaker 1>Eight o five, a fifty five krc DE talk station,

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<v Speaker 1>A very, very happy and special Tuesday. Brian Thomas, host

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<v Speaker 1>of the fifty five Carssee Morning Show, couldn't be more

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<v Speaker 1>excited than I am right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to welcome for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually at the first time, we talked about his book Woking,

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<v Speaker 1>but he has announced his intention to be Ohio's next governor.

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<v Speaker 1>Fivek Ramas Swimmy, Welcome to the fifty five KRSE Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Distinct pleasure to have you on the program today, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me. Brian. Good to talk to you again.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's great to just I'm going to congratulate you

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<v Speaker 1>out right after your nets you immediately got the endorsement

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<v Speaker 1>of President Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. It was an honor to receive his endorsement.

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<v Speaker 3>He and I have worked together over the last year

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm so proud of what he's doing for the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and in my view, he's making America great again. He's

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<v Speaker 3>reviving our conviction in America. We need a leader here

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<v Speaker 3>at home who's going to revive our conviction in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm going to be honored hopefully to serve as

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<v Speaker 3>our next governor and to take our state to the

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<v Speaker 3>next level.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, considering what I know you've identified as your campaign platform,

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<v Speaker 1>economic excellence and building Ohio as a state with educational excellence,

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<v Speaker 1>you seem to have the recipe for success down I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen I know you know about people fleeing California, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>and Illinois to other states that have a better business environment.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically it's Texas and Florida identified. But you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make Ohio a even better magnet, and it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me the recipe for that is low taxes, reduction to

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<v Speaker 1>regulatory burden, and of course the quality education that you

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<v Speaker 1>plan for. And if we could start with that, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge fan of your ideas on education, most

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<v Speaker 1>notably school choice and improving vocational opportunities as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I mean you stated my platform directly, that's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the core agenda for the state. There's just one key

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<v Speaker 3>element to that I would add, Brian, is that I

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<v Speaker 3>also want to be a governor who makes sure that

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<v Speaker 3>our public schools are equipped to compete with the best

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<v Speaker 3>of those alternatives. I'm going to push for harder school choice,

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<v Speaker 3>but with our public schools, I'm going to implement merit

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<v Speaker 3>based pay for every teacher, principal, administrator, and superintendent. Because

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<v Speaker 3>to be clear, the best teachers actually deserve to be

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<v Speaker 3>paid much more than they are. But that means we

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<v Speaker 3>have to actually rationalize the waste of expenditures elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 3>our education system. It's not just throwing more money at

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<v Speaker 3>our public schools, it's how that money is spent. Other

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<v Speaker 3>basic common sense reforms like finally getting the cell phones

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<v Speaker 3>out of our classes. Yeah, bringing back physical education at

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<v Speaker 3>a younger age, and the Presidential Fitness Test, which we'll

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<v Speaker 3>bring back physical health, it's mental health, it's civic health.

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<v Speaker 3>To Brian is we're going to bring back civic education

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<v Speaker 3>that teaches our kids to be proud of our state

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<v Speaker 3>rather than ashamed of it. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>I'm particularly passionate about is every high school senior who

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<v Speaker 3>graduates from Ohio Public High School is going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to pass the same Civics test that every legal immigrant

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<v Speaker 3>has to pass in order to become for them citizen

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<v Speaker 3>in the country. And so anyway, these are basic changes

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<v Speaker 3>where we can lead the country, and I'm excited that

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to take our state to the next level.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that it sounds to me like you're a

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<v Speaker 1>proponent of as I am a classical education.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think that you can't be proud of a

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<v Speaker 3>country that you don't know the history of. And I

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<v Speaker 3>do think that young people, I think all of us

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<v Speaker 3>in some sense are hungering for purpose and meaning and identity.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do think that filling that void with the

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<v Speaker 3>real thing, not the fake stuff, but the real thing

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<v Speaker 3>is actually what's going to give us our true fulfillment individual, family, nation,

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<v Speaker 3>and God beat race, gender, sexuality, and climate, if we

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<v Speaker 3>have the courage to stand for it. And at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time, I was clear, and I'm opening last night,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll deliver the same message in Toledo where I'm

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<v Speaker 3>headed right now, delivered the same message in strongsbol where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm head, and deny it that. My message to every

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat in the state and every Independent in this state

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<v Speaker 3>is that we may not agree on one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 3>of issues. And that's okay. Diversity of thoughts a beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>thing in Ohio. But if you care about economic excellence

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<v Speaker 3>in this state, if you care about educational excellence in

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<v Speaker 3>this state, if you care about your kids having the

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<v Speaker 3>same shot at the American dream that this state, in

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<v Speaker 3>this country gave to me, and we're actually on the

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<v Speaker 3>same team. As the way I look at it, if

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<v Speaker 3>a seat at the table in this movement, let's take

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<v Speaker 3>our state to the next level. And I want to

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<v Speaker 3>work together with everybody do it, not just constitutional conservatives

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<v Speaker 3>like you and I, which of course that's important. We're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to compromise on our principles, but we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to work with everybody in this state to lift us

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<v Speaker 3>up economically and to give our kids the world class

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<v Speaker 3>education that I believe is their birthright in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I certainly enjoy hearing what you're saying. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, you know, rising tide lifts all ships. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what your political stripe is. You got to a

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<v Speaker 1>better business environment, better educational environment, every single human being

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<v Speaker 1>in the state will benefit to Flipping over to I

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm reacting to your idea of merit based compensation

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<v Speaker 1>for teachers, which of course is a great concept. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you live in a meritocracy, the better you are,

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<v Speaker 1>the brighter you are, the harder you work, the more

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<v Speaker 1>likely it is you're going to make more money. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's just the proven recipe all from the beginning of time.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you do you judge the merits though, how

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<v Speaker 1>is what is the great question? Yeah, go ahead, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great question, and there's a good conversation to have.

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<v Speaker 1>The way I believe it should be judged. As a

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<v Speaker 1>starting point, okay, is objective results. There you have test

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<v Speaker 1>scores and the results combined with the assessment of parents.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this conversation to be had whether you

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<v Speaker 1>add some element of peer review as well, where the

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<v Speaker 1>way the teacher works within the context of the school

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<v Speaker 1>with their other peers is also at least an input.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have then objective metrics, rental assessment, peer assessments,

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<v Speaker 3>and most importantly, objective assessments of the success of our students.

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<v Speaker 3>To be clear, that's what this is all about. Seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five percent of eighth graders right now are not proficient

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<v Speaker 3>in math intional standards. We have kids in other countries

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<v Speaker 3>where English isn't even their first language doing better on

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<v Speaker 3>English proficiency than our own students right here, Brian, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's not acceptable to me. So we've got to

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<v Speaker 3>measure how we're improving on those metrics. From the inner

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<v Speaker 3>city of Cincinnati to Cleveland to Appalasia, the whole state

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<v Speaker 3>to actually give our kids. We owe it to the

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<v Speaker 3>next generation. I'm a father of two sons myself, and

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<v Speaker 3>I care about passing that American dream on to my

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<v Speaker 3>here in Ohio in a way that sets a model

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<v Speaker 3>for the rest of the country. And one thing I

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<v Speaker 3>want to say about this is we do have an

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<v Speaker 3>issue where many kids who grow up in this state

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<v Speaker 3>end up leaving to pursue opportunities in other states. I

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<v Speaker 3>want them to stay here and pursue the American dream

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<v Speaker 3>in Ohio because it is the best place for them

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<v Speaker 3>to make that decision, close to their parents and to

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<v Speaker 3>their grandparents. Keeping the generational families in this state because

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<v Speaker 3>that's the place where they have the best educational and

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<v Speaker 3>economic opportunities. That's where I want to lead us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the stumbling blocks and the elephant of the

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<v Speaker 1>room on all of your wonderful and logical and reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>ideas about education happens to be the teachers Union. And

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<v Speaker 1>they they exist for their own benefit, not for the

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of students. I just have to generally speak, but

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to be the case. And how are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to cope with them and their uh, and and

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<v Speaker 1>to face from the teachers union.

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<v Speaker 3>Look the way I said it, I was crystal clear

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<v Speaker 3>last night in both my speeches, and I'll say it

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<v Speaker 3>again today. I don't want to pick a fight with

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<v Speaker 3>the teachers' unions. Frankly, I don't want to pick a

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<v Speaker 3>fight with anybody. But I'm not going to back down

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<v Speaker 3>one either. I'm going to do whatever is required to

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<v Speaker 3>stand for the achievement of our students. And let me

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<v Speaker 3>be crystal clear, as they said earlier, the best teachers

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<v Speaker 3>deserve to be compensated better than they are. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>I think of missus Kinney, this teacher of mine in

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<v Speaker 3>sixth grade who lit a fire under my feet. She

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<v Speaker 3>changed my life. She helped me see potential in myself

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<v Speaker 3>that I hadn't seen. That was at the public schools

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<v Speaker 3>in Princeton outside Cincinnati at Realis Roberty Lucas Intermediate School

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<v Speaker 3>with a Magnet program. That family is closed now. As

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<v Speaker 3>Kinny is somebody who I reflected on last night in

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<v Speaker 3>in a tragic accident, but I'd be thanking her today

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<v Speaker 3>if she were alive, and I will tell you this,

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<v Speaker 3>I want more teachers like her. But that's not an

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<v Speaker 3>anti public school teacher message. That is a pro teacher message.

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<v Speaker 3>But any obstacle that stands in the way, if that's

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<v Speaker 3>the unions for anybody else, we're going to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>that to do what's right for our students with strength.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you are an obviously wildly successful entrepreneur. You built

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<v Speaker 1>ctl aerospace right here in Cincinnati. In spite of the

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<v Speaker 1>regulatory and challenges you face in the state of Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>at least still currently, you were able to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I highlight that in illustrated because in spite of

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<v Speaker 1>the obstacles which shouldn't be there in the state of

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio for business advancement, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Able to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know where the skeletons are, you know where

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<v Speaker 1>the problems lie, and you know where the reforms need

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you for that. I mean, just to be crystical.

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<v Speaker 3>We launched the event at Ctail Aerospace last night and

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<v Speaker 3>it's a great founder and a great family that invited

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<v Speaker 3>us in sok But no, that's close to home where

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up. So I grew up. My first house

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<v Speaker 3>that I grew up in until I was five is

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<v Speaker 3>a few minutes away from there, so you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>could see the commonality that being said. I've built successful businesses.

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<v Speaker 3>I was across biotech, across financial services, across other industries,

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<v Speaker 3>and I understand what it takes to have success. It

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<v Speaker 3>means that you're able to pursue your our own vision

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<v Speaker 3>and serve your customers and serve the people for whom

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<v Speaker 3>you exist without the government of bureaucracy standing in your way.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's my vision for Ohio. I want this to

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<v Speaker 3>be the most competitive state in the country to start

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<v Speaker 3>and grow a new business, for young families to flock

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<v Speaker 3>to to raise your kids in. Are we heading in

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<v Speaker 3>the right direction? I think we actually are headed in

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<v Speaker 3>the right direction. This is in California. We don't need

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<v Speaker 3>a U turn. But what we do need to do

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<v Speaker 3>is we need to step on the gas without holding back.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't need to be shooting to be a good

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<v Speaker 3>state in the Midwest. We just shoot to be the

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<v Speaker 3>best state in the country to actually lead economically and educationally.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think that that's unrealistic if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the last century, really even at the turn of

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<v Speaker 3>the last Industrial Revolution, Ohio led the way in the nation.

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<v Speaker 3>We were the economic powerhouse of America. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>if Silicon Valley led the way in the last ten years,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it should be the Ohio River Valley over

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<v Speaker 3>the next ten years. And so that's the ambition I

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<v Speaker 3>want to bring to leading this state. Ambition for every

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<v Speaker 3>ohioan ambition to lift up the lives of every kid

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<v Speaker 3>in this state. It's a moment for a modern Northwest

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<v Speaker 3>ordinance is the way I look at this. We're at

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<v Speaker 3>conservative state. We deserved to be governed accordingly. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to lose US elections, Brian. It's going to

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<v Speaker 3>win US elections because it'll put more money in people's pockets,

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<v Speaker 3>lift up more people in this state from poverty. It'll

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<v Speaker 3>revive civic pride and self confidence in our young people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't care whether you're a Democrat or Republican,

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<v Speaker 3>black or white, man or woman, urban or rural, if

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<v Speaker 3>you care about economic excellence and educational excellence in this state,

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<v Speaker 3>and we got a seat for you at the table

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<v Speaker 3>in this movement. And I want to work with everybody

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<v Speaker 3>to take the state to the next level and dare

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<v Speaker 3>I say unite this state in a landslide victory next year.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm shooting for at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I understand you also are in favor of work

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<v Speaker 1>requirements for Medicaid and welfare. We have a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a problem in this stay with Medicaid one of the

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<v Speaker 1>worst in the country in terms of fraud, waste, and abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found out recently talked to the representative Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Gross just a few days ago, and they did a

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<v Speaker 1>recent analysis as statistical sampling, and found out that twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six percent of the Medicaid payments go to individuals that

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<v Speaker 1>do not even live in our state, which translates to

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<v Speaker 1>like ten billion dollars. Mister Ramswami, that might help solve

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<v Speaker 1>the school funding problem. We're already operating under an unconstitutional

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<v Speaker 1>structure for funding schools. If we could claw back that

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<v Speaker 1>or not send it out of the state, apply that

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<v Speaker 1>to education, we might get some relief on our property taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>which are killing so many people in this area.

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<v Speaker 3>So look, I want to give a shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>Jennifer Gross. She's been outstanding on this issue of Medicaid

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<v Speaker 3>and spotlighting areas for savings. So she's doing a fantastic job.

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<v Speaker 3>She was actually at our event last night as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm grateful for her supporting Butler, but I will tell

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<v Speaker 3>you we need to now do something about it as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and to me part of the solution. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>we should make sure that there aren't recipients who, literally,

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<v Speaker 3>as you're mentioning, out of state or other places where

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<v Speaker 3>it's just error, should not be receiving money that wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>intended for them. But even more broadly, as a policy measure,

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<v Speaker 3>that's just an implementation failure. As a policy measure, work

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<v Speaker 3>requirements for medicaid and welfare are not only reasonable, they're necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>They're necessary not just as a budgetary matter, but even

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<v Speaker 3>for the recipients. That's not compassion. To increase somebody's dependence

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<v Speaker 3>on the government, that is cruelty. That is a form

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<v Speaker 3>of cruelty. And I think the true form of compassion

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<v Speaker 3>is helping somebody not with the handout, but a handout

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<v Speaker 3>in their time of need, to give them a bridge

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<v Speaker 3>to self sustain themselves on their own two feet. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the American way. And so I do think that even

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<v Speaker 3>well intentioned folks who say that, well, are these work

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<v Speaker 3>requirements too aggressive. To be clear, the work requirements we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about are age eighteen to fifty four. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>able bodied, if you don't have kids, then you're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about twenty hours a week of working or at least

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<v Speaker 3>trying to find work. I think it's really reasonable. That's

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<v Speaker 3>where the federal standards are today. Ohio should not be

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<v Speaker 3>seeking an exemption from that or a waiver from that.

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<v Speaker 3>We should be embracing it and leading the country to

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<v Speaker 3>say that we embraced hard work. We're going to end

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<v Speaker 3>the war on work in this state. By the way, Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>at a time when we do have a shortage of workers,

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<v Speaker 3>why are we paying people and incentivizing them not to work.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't make any sense. That goes back to the

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<v Speaker 3>other point we were making about making Ohio the best

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<v Speaker 3>place to start and grow business. If we have a

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<v Speaker 3>more plentiful work population, population of workers who aren't being

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<v Speaker 3>paid by the federal government, by the state government to

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<v Speaker 3>stay home, that helps them too. So it's a pro

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<v Speaker 3>American message, it's a pro Ohio message. At times, I

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<v Speaker 3>do believe in speaking the hard truths, even when they're tough.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about that educational achievement crisis. It doesn't land well

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<v Speaker 3>on people's ears to hear that seventy five percent of

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<v Speaker 3>kids aren't proficient in math, but you got to see

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<v Speaker 3>the problem clearly in order to fix it. Doesn't land

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<v Speaker 3>on some well of people's ears to say we got

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<v Speaker 3>attach work requirements to medicaid in welfare. But actually, when

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<v Speaker 3>you explain, if people understand, even good Democrats understand where

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<v Speaker 3>you're coming from. I'll give you another one of those, Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a little bit controversial, but I'll go there

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<v Speaker 3>because I think it's important when we think about ending

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<v Speaker 3>the wave of crime and rising poverty and homelessness in cities.

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<v Speaker 3>In our cities, I think we need to think about

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<v Speaker 3>and we will bring back the psychiatric hospitals that were

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<v Speaker 3>shuttered in decades past, because right now our jails are

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<v Speaker 3>the top form of mental health care in our state,

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<v Speaker 3>and that doesn't make any sense either. Some of these solutions.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm confident that if we explain it to the people,

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<v Speaker 3>even to Democrats who may have a different opinion today,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe we're going to be able to bring them

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<v Speaker 3>away along with respect and with open dialogue. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that culture of mutual respect is the way I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to lead our.

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<v Speaker 2>State with that gramma, Swimmy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a distinct pleasure to hear such logic and reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish you all the best in your efforts

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<v Speaker 1>become governor the next of the state of Ohio. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope to someday call you Governor Ramas swim when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk after that moment in time. But I just have

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<v Speaker 1>to observe this, that work requirement when there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>trade jobs available twenty hours a week. If you can

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<v Speaker 1>work in the trade, you can earn while you learn

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<v Speaker 1>as an apprentice. Put that opportunity in front of someone

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<v Speaker 1>and say, listen, you're not going to get this benefit,

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<v Speaker 1>but look, here's a great opportunity if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>It just makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it does, which is a far bigger benefit. So

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<v Speaker 3>you're right to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is well.

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to having you on any time you

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<v Speaker 1>like on the program, Sir. I'm inspired by your words,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish you all the best on the campaign trail,

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<v Speaker 1>anytime on the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 2>You want your you have an opportunity, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it, my man. Take care.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go to say safe travels.

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