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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, the sixteenth day of twenty twenty five March.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, I'm putting it all out order.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not, Allegedly, according to that thing called the calendar,

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<v Speaker 2>the Ocelli Effect, broadcasting live on a Sunday. Notice, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't screw around with the day, because Sunday is Sunday anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It is what it is, and it was what it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>And all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Who do I got with me here on a Sunday?

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<v Speaker 2>I got two guests actually that are going to go

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<v Speaker 2>out live. And the first little surprise on a Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>is a conversation with Chris Graves. Now, if you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to my podcast regularly, you might hurt him call into

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<v Speaker 2>the Friday Night Show recently, you might have been aware

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a little bit of a controversy between

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<v Speaker 2>us not too long ago, and all that good stuff

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<v Speaker 2>or not so good stuff, depending on who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, and hey, look, I I'm I'm coming into

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<v Speaker 2>this with an open mind. I heard that Chris doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do podcasts anymore, and uh maybe is bowing

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<v Speaker 2>out getting away from the UH, the alt media, the

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<v Speaker 2>alt writers, the UH counter narrative people out there. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he's done with it all. So I wanted to see, uh, why,

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<v Speaker 2>how and all that? And uh, let's hear from the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who you know did what digging, Digging, Chris Graves

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<v Speaker 2>and get Mad with Chris Graves two shows that are

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<v Speaker 2>still circulating out there, uh, in the potosphere or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But he says he's not doing anymore and that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be that. Although I did see you were recently

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<v Speaker 2>on doing a thing about Dave McGowan. But a tribute

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<v Speaker 2>show doesn't really count, does it? If it's not yours.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just you're just pitching in because you love the subject. So, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing today?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing Uh, I'm doing okay. I guess I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>happy that we're able to do this right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we both survived two interesting things. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>mystery ill this and you went through a car crash.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you want to talk about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's up to you. I leave it open, as

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<v Speaker 2>I do for any guest to discuss what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I'd like to first focus on why

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<v Speaker 2>it is you're getting out if indeed I'm reading that

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<v Speaker 2>right that you're getting out of this whole thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe we talk about you know, your recent challenges,

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<v Speaker 2>what you've been through, and anything else you want to

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<v Speaker 2>cover for an hour. So go for it, man, why

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<v Speaker 2>are you getting out?

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, well, throughout my life, not to get

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<v Speaker 5>into the.

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<v Speaker 4>Not to get into all the the horrible stuff. But

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<v Speaker 4>I had a lot of trauma growing up, like a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people, and I I came.

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<v Speaker 5>To find that I was really good at research. When

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<v Speaker 5>it came to you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you'd call it conspiracy theories, government corruption and

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<v Speaker 4>things like that, and it's not a very healthy place

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<v Speaker 4>to be, first of all, but I was good at

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<v Speaker 4>finding things that were buried. When it came to on

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<v Speaker 4>the Internet, I utilized tools like the Wayback Machine, Google,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Lios, all these you know, these older search engines,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was able to find like material that nobody

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<v Speaker 4>remembered or maybe they never saw it to begin with.

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<v Speaker 4>When it came to things like JFK. Junior, when it

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<v Speaker 4>came to t WA eight hundred, we Columbine nine to

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<v Speaker 4>eleven was like the main issue that really woke me

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<v Speaker 4>up to you know, conspiracies in general.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I could go back and say UFOs and

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<v Speaker 5>things like that. But I think it's like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of people right, sorry about the weenie dogs there,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're interrupting for no particular reason. Probably something's going

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<v Speaker 2>on outside my house, but just saying it's I note

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<v Speaker 2>here when I listen to you talk about what it

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<v Speaker 2>is that you got drawn into and what it is

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<v Speaker 2>you felt as though you could uncover details about. And

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing that stands out is a lot of death,

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<v Speaker 2>destruction and evil stuff. And you're saying, look, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy headspace. And I get that, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you immerse yourself. And I note this with the people

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<v Speaker 2>that focus heavily on the you know, the child trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>and all that, when they're serious researchers about it and

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to dig up stories about it. Look, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going into a dark, dark, horrible area, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and whether it's murder and mayhem or it's like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>legal activity, actually exploiting people directly, you know, human slavery,

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<v Speaker 2>all these things. You're not going into a place where

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<v Speaker 2>there's happy. You know, all this stuff is ugly, ugly, ugly,

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<v Speaker 2>And even though you're digging up things that have gone

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<v Speaker 2>into the memory hole or that have disappeared off of

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet. It's still you're in an ugly dark place. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>You're digging up dirt. I mean, would would you say

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<v Speaker 2>that's a fair way to categorize this, characterize it?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, And maybe I had a misplaced sense

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<v Speaker 4>of like, maybe I can shed light on this kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thing. But just with my background when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to substance abuse and depression and anxiety, that you're not

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<v Speaker 4>equipped with the right tools, like right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 4>that people can just kind of, you know, throw away

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<v Speaker 4>what you're saying based on your character. That has waited

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<v Speaker 4>on me in the last three years to be honest

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<v Speaker 4>with you quite heavily.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, here's the thing I need to ask again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm hearing your story and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to help you tell it right. And the

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<v Speaker 2>thing I'm hearing again is that, look, I realize that

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<v Speaker 2>I've got my issues. And I could say that personally

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<v Speaker 2>from my own perspective too. And you know, you walk

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<v Speaker 2>through hell you think you've got to handle on these things.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the weird spot to be in because I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I encounter people, the less healthy individuals I

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<v Speaker 2>find as it is, and it doesn't matter what part

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<v Speaker 2>of the world I'm looking at. I mean, I can

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<v Speaker 2>walk down the street and find, you know, the crazy

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<v Speaker 2>homeless dude, or I can go on the internet and think,

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<v Speaker 2>I found you know, a kin kindred spirit of some

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<v Speaker 2>sort who is interested in the same thing as me,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we might even try to cooperate work together

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of thing. And at the same time, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people a breakdowns. They just break, they snap.

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<v Speaker 2>And people are snapping and breaking and causing all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of problems in their own lives directly. And meanwhile they're

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<v Speaker 2>out there on a journey of justice, right, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>right or wrong in some way. And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>way a lot of people get drawn into the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of let's reveal stuff. And I look, and I'm saying this,

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<v Speaker 2>this is part of my own character too, where look,

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<v Speaker 2>I was so damaged that I thought maybe I should

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<v Speaker 2>rectify certain things. And I often point to, look, my

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<v Speaker 2>father's suicide and all that kind of stuff, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of me deciding we need to go after

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are responsible for the Vietnam War, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that leads me into Jfkland And again, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>trying to tell my story over yours. I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say I don't think it's that uncommon. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a prevalent thing in the universe among

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<v Speaker 2>people that are not just out there playing games with it,

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<v Speaker 2>people that are serious.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is something that happens. What do you

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<v Speaker 3>think of that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, I one hundred percent agree. In my situation,

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<v Speaker 4>I let alcohol destroy my life and it's still destroying

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<v Speaker 4>my life. And it's unfortunate because I really do believe

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<v Speaker 4>in my abilities of finding certain things.

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<v Speaker 5>But when you have alcohol.

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<v Speaker 4>In the background, people are able to write you office

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<v Speaker 4>just mean a conspiracy kook. And that's where I find

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<v Speaker 4>myself currently. And it's heartbreaking because a lot of hours

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<v Speaker 4>going to trying to find, you know, the truth, quote

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<v Speaker 4>unquote the truth, whatever the topic is, whether it's JFK.

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<v Speaker 5>Nine to eleven, whatever, And.

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<v Speaker 4>When people find out that you have like a background

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to substance use, it's very hard to

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<v Speaker 4>dig yourself out of that hole. And then people think

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<v Speaker 4>that you're making up everything when even when you're not.

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<v Speaker 5>So Yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, did this happen on a personal, like just on

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<v Speaker 2>a one to one basis with you, or do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that this kind of publicly happened to you where

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<v Speaker 2>people started saying, look, you know, Chris obviously has a

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<v Speaker 2>drinking problem or something like that. I mean, because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't notice that anybody was attacking you like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>then again, you and I stopped talking for.

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<v Speaker 3>A little while.

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<v Speaker 2>So were people attacking you directly in public? Or was

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<v Speaker 2>this a private thing or what was going on? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to share that, go ahead. If you don't, don't,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just thinking, did it privately?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>They are now and I can't blame them because I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I got I got in a car accident on

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<v Speaker 4>December second of December, and now I have people that

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<v Speaker 4>don't believe.

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<v Speaker 5>That I even was in a car accident.

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<v Speaker 4>It's on record because I was in the hospital, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's no way for me to really combat that, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I could back up the Christmas If anybody's listening to this,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a second. If anybody's listening to this and thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that Chris wasn't in the hospital or wasn't in an accident,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. I might even have a motive to

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and attack him, and and I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to uh but but the thing is, he was in

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't get a hold of him at the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>They would't let me talk to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was there, okay, and he was there for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time and was in intensive care, so but

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't let me talk to him. I'm just just

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<v Speaker 2>telling you, guys that that's a reality. If somebody thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't in the hospital and he didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>hurt really really bad. Now I don't know all the details.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people shared him secondhand to me, but I'm telling

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<v Speaker 2>you now, if you think he wasn't in the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>or he wasn't injured real bad, you're wrong. That did happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh yeah, so but please go ahead. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to verify that that's true in case anybody thinks

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<v Speaker 2>it isn't good.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to say that there's people out there

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<v Speaker 4>that I really can I consider really good friends of mine,

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<v Speaker 4>that they think I made the whole thing up, and

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<v Speaker 4>which I can't combat because like, how do you combat

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of thing? Because the people that don't think

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<v Speaker 4>that I even was in an accident, they were sending

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<v Speaker 4>me phones and they.

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<v Speaker 5>Were calling me all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>So now it's like, I don't know what, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 4>for me to really be able to do to defend myself.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, they can think whatever they want to think.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's been heartbreaking, and yeah, the conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 5>World, I don't know, like I could have went further

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<v Speaker 4>And now I'm just like I'm better rough not to

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<v Speaker 2>So Okay, what you're saying, though, is that your credibility

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think it caused you to lose that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I can't personally verify that. I I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, which is the way that worked. But look,

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<v Speaker 4>not only the documentation, but I had photographs from a

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<v Speaker 4>friend of mine, Eric this is me in Boston Medical Center,

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<v Speaker 4>So I've been here since New Year's Day of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>You weren't.

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<v Speaker 4>about that I really think I made all this stuff

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<v Speaker 3>It was a weird situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well look, I'm, as I told you privately, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>But but I'm just exploring why it is you're quitting,

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<v Speaker 3>Or I didn't I.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't do the you know, or I didn't do certain

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<v Speaker 2>always take the time to document everything, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>that I have, you know, my receipts ready for you

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<v Speaker 2>every single time that I make a claim. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like many phone calls I've had with people that I've

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with with different people and different strange things

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<v Speaker 3>Over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>And believe me, if I was making up stories, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>make up way better stories than the ones I've told

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<v Speaker 2>on here, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, because of some strange stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like my whole weird interaction with uh Courtney

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<v Speaker 2>Love's father there, right. I wish I had more, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>interesting information to tell, but he just kind of, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, and I totally believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, I do, you know, But but he did get

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<v Speaker 2>on the show once and uh, and then they actually

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I don't usually record everything I do, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. It's just a matter of I

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<v Speaker 2>recorded that because I was looking, you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be able to catch it all and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if I could sit in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the screen the whole time, so I recorded it. And

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, I think I might have sent you

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<v Speaker 2>the audio just to show you what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But but okay, but that was back when you and

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<v Speaker 2>I were working together, and that came to a sudden end.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if people know that story now

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<v Speaker 2>or if they care.

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<v Speaker 5>But can I just backtrack and.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, tell your side of it, because for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it begins with back to the Future, I know, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the goofiest way a minute, let me just say

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<v Speaker 2>this before you say anything.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Goofiest, stupidest thing to end up in an argument with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody over that you are like working with and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to like because I'm trying to promote you, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to work with you, I'm trying to produce your show

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm doing the best I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, And that fight.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't get into a fight over combine or some

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<v Speaker 2>or some guest you had on that I didn't like,

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<v Speaker 2>because you had a few guests I did not like.

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<v Speaker 2>You had a few you know, interesting, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>why is he bringing this guy on? Okay, Fine, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk to this guy again.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been through a whole weird thing with and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to bring up a name you're not gonna like.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've been through a whole weird thing with Bob

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson already because.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was trying to produce him.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why I bring you up with him

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<v Speaker 2>right now, or the reason why I bring him up

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<v Speaker 2>to you, is because the both of you came off

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<v Speaker 2>with Don Jefferies where you guys were kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>working with him, and I was like, don you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm enjoying producing your show, but you know, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to produce some others, and he like kind of shoves.

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<v Speaker 3>You two guys my way.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Don was getting produced a lot, heavily by

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Hardburn, and he was focusing on those shows, and

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't really getting much traction out of the Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 2>Show over here.

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<v Speaker 3>So I said, don look.

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<v Speaker 2>Take take the intro we wrote, take the artwork, take everything,

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<v Speaker 2>bring it over to Tony and do it over there,

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<v Speaker 2>because it'll be better, more consolidated with him. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't like Don.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Don. He's a nice guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Well can I say something in your favor?

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Don, who's a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 4>He wasn't promoting the Don Jeffrey Show an ochelly dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>All he was doing was promoting his show I Protest,

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<v Speaker 4>which was on Tony Ardeburn's network.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Erica lug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's how I felt about it. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I don't begrudge him. He can do what

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<v Speaker 2>he wants with his name, his stuff, and maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't feel like it was worthy of promoting, which okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>then go ahead and do that. And that was the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing. I wasn't mad. I wasn't like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like Don Jeffries anymore. It was just like, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense for him and I to get together

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<v Speaker 2>once a week to do a show that hardly anybody

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<v Speaker 2>is paying attention to. In fact, take the archive. Don

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<v Speaker 2>take the archive and bring it over there, maybe people

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<v Speaker 2>will hear it. I'd rather people got to hear the

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<v Speaker 2>shows that we did. And you know, or you rise up, man,

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<v Speaker 2>Rise up. All I ever want when I work with

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't care if I was producing Jack Blood

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<v Speaker 2>or I was producing you or Pierce or you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been working with Aaron the longest, but all I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do is see if we can, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>get you doing better. I want to see you guys succeed,

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<v Speaker 2>all of you, all of you. And that's it. And

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<v Speaker 2>the weirdness that went on with me and Bob was

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<v Speaker 2>because he started doing Religious hours on my network and

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<v Speaker 2>I basically said I don't agree with this, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like, okay, here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, here's a very Christian centric broadcaster that

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<v Speaker 2>would probably love to produce your show. I even gave

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<v Speaker 2>him another broadcaster to go to and said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>and again, still even though I disagree with you and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear you, know, what I feel

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<v Speaker 2>as though is a very it's kind of negative when

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, unless you're a Christian, you're you're nothing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of I don't like that. So you want to

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<v Speaker 2>take that with somebody who appreciates that, go ahead, do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Matter of fact, I wish you well, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>So see right now, Bob Wilson got me.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh he he made a story about how I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>Uh. He got me locked up in the looney Bend.

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<v Speaker 3>He got you on a on a cycle that it seems.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, uh for like a week and a half where

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<v Speaker 4>I literally had to blame my own lawyer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry to laugh, but I actually called you when

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<v Speaker 3>you were in there.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say that because it's important, because you

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<v Speaker 4>I was in there that like help me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>First, first, Chris, I was concerned, okay, because if indeed

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<v Speaker 2>you to harm yourself, you know, if that's where you

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I was like, well, you know, Chris

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he said some crazy stuff. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>look talk to me for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

428
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<v Speaker 2>That's what I would and that's what I have done.

429
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, anyway, I'm just saying, yeah, so that happened,

430
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<v Speaker 2>but that was before you and I had a problem.

431
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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, that's even before.

432
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<v Speaker 2>Being Bob had and I got a little mad at

433
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<v Speaker 2>him over it because I don't believe in calling. The

434
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<v Speaker 2>last thing in the world I ever want to do

435
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<v Speaker 2>is because to.

436
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<v Speaker 5>Get the authorities involved involved to the bitter end.

437
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<v Speaker 2>And everything gets worse. Well, you see, I don't call

438
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<v Speaker 2>a cops. Okay, if somebody has to be dead before

439
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<v Speaker 2>I'm calling the police. And really I'm only calling them

440
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<v Speaker 2>so they can legally remove a corpse. I really don't

441
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<v Speaker 2>want to call them.

442
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise, seriously, right, you know. So that's my attitude.

443
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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't like that Bob did that, and I

444
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<v Speaker 2>told him I'm like, dude, I would never call the authority.

445
00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.279
<v Speaker 2>He asked me, should I call and I said no.

446
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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, all I know is it that my.

447
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<v Speaker 5>Corner throughout the whole thing is when I'm trying to say, and.

448
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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't your quarner, but but anyway, so we start

449
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<v Speaker 2>working together and me and Bob stop working together and

450
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<v Speaker 2>that's that, and uh, okay, but we're going along for

451
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<v Speaker 2>a little while. But it was about a year, right.

452
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<v Speaker 4>About a year year and a half, I'm not exactly sure,

453
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<v Speaker 4>but okay, I started getting bitchy about there's this episode

454
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<v Speaker 4>where I wanted to do a tribute to Back to

455
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<v Speaker 4>the Future, and I was setting all these clips that

456
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<v Speaker 4>I was finding on YouTube and I didn't exactly put

457
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<v Speaker 4>them in context. So, yeah, it wasn't you.

458
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<v Speaker 5>It was me, like trying to put together a show

459
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<v Speaker 5>at the last minute. Okay, so we've done it.

460
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<v Speaker 3>Can I interject something here? Can I just I.

461
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<v Speaker 4>Put together quite a bit like at the last minute

462
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<v Speaker 4>because I don't know just my OCD or just my

463
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<v Speaker 4>personality whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let me just interject something here, right, is that? Okay?

465
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<v Speaker 2>So about two hours before he's about to go on air,

466
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<v Speaker 2>he sends me all these clips that I gotta go

467
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<v Speaker 2>and record real fast. I got to record each clip

468
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<v Speaker 2>so I can play them, yeah, or I got to

469
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<v Speaker 2>set it up so I can run you know, all

470
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<v Speaker 2>these tabs open on YouTube, which is not an efficient

471
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<v Speaker 2>way to use a computer at all. So I'm looking

472
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<v Speaker 2>at it and going, wait a minute, let me add

473
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<v Speaker 2>together these times? All right, Now your show is.

474
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<v Speaker 5>Only I'm sorry, but I'm.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Just saying your show is one hour long.

476
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<v Speaker 5>What a fucking schmuck I am. But you know, I

477
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<v Speaker 5>well judge the language, but.

478
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 3>It's okay.

479
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<v Speaker 2>Look, let me let me just finish saying what I'm

480
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<v Speaker 2>saying here because I want to get this out. So

481
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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at the time and I'm going, now, Chris's

482
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<v Speaker 2>show is usually an hour, but if I allowed two hours,

483
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<v Speaker 2>which we had an extra almost an hour, and sometimes

484
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>he'd run over, so the show would be more than

485
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<v Speaker 2>an hour long. But it was okay because I had

486
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<v Speaker 2>a two hour pocket where you know, we could do

487
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<v Speaker 2>get mad, right. And the thing is, I'm adding up

488
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<v Speaker 2>the times on these clips, and if we played them

489
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<v Speaker 2>all without even stopping, Okay, there was like thirty clips,

490
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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I mean like literally thirty. I'm not

491
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<v Speaker 2>even saying thirty like a throwing out a bad.

492
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<v Speaker 5>Number that you're not You're not off.

493
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not exaggerating.

494
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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe the exact number might have been twenty eight,

495
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<v Speaker 2>but it was close to thirty clips. Okay, and they're

496
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<v Speaker 2>all a couple of minutes long, and some of them

497
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<v Speaker 2>were longer, like seven eight minutes.

498
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<v Speaker 3>So the point is when you add them all together.

499
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<v Speaker 2>I looked at it and went, there's more than an

500
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<v Speaker 2>hour and twenty in clips. And I'm going, okay, Chris,

501
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<v Speaker 2>are you sure you want all of these?

502
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

503
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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm went in his response, wait a minute,

504
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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, wait a minute.

505
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<v Speaker 3>His response is.

506
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<v Speaker 5>He's one of the best producers out there.

507
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<v Speaker 2>But his response was, never mind. I just I just

508
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have fun. Screw this, never mind. I just

509
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have fun. And I'm like, Chris, I'm not

510
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:31.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to tell you not to have fun. I'm just

511
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 2>trying to do math here, and so we're going for it,

512
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<v Speaker 2>and then and then he's like, okay. So we're getting

513
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<v Speaker 2>about ten fifteen minutes before showtime, and he's like, you're

514
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.279
<v Speaker 2>mad at me, aren't you. And I'm like kinda, but

515
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.599
<v Speaker 2>never mind, Let's do the show and just get through

516
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:52.279
<v Speaker 2>it and forget it.

517
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<v Speaker 4>I want Spas to gun. Chuck is basically what it

518
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.759
<v Speaker 4>comes down to. Because I have a all lot of

519
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<v Speaker 4>mental issues.

520
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 3>So well you wouldn't let it go. But you wouldn't

521
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 3>let it go, okay.

522
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 2>And and then you were like you got on air

523
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and you go all right, look I'm on air, but

524
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:10.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if I want to do this,

525
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 2>so screw it anyway, play a clip.

526
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, this is funny to me.

527
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 5>I was not professional in the least.

528
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 3>But this is just funny to me because it's like,

529
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:27.559
<v Speaker 3>I can't win.

530
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 2>There's no way to win.

531
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 4>You couldn't and you know what, you you put up

532
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 4>with my stuff as best you could.

533
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 5>And all I can say is that I apologized.

534
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 3>But first it's okay, it's okay. Look, it's it's okay.

535
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 2>But look the phrase it comes to mind Star Trek fans,

536
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Kobe Yashi Maru.

537
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:58.400
<v Speaker 3>You have the no win scenario here. I couldn't do anything.

538
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was just like, dude, okay, just just

539
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 2>forget it, Chris, go go ahead, do your thing, do

540
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>what you want to do, don't worry about me to

541
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 2>help with me, go ahead and do it. And you

542
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 2>were just like, no, we're on here.

543
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:13.079
<v Speaker 5>Here's the thing.

544
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:19.319
<v Speaker 6>Folks like like he no, he agreed to like produce

545
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 6>my show and put it out on his channel, which

546
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, I don't.

547
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 5>I don't how do I put this?

548
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 4>Like he put up with insanity that he didn't have to,

549
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 4>and I it was one of the worst things that

550
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 4>I ever did, like in.

551
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 3>My adult life. Bad.

552
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 5>Look you know what I written out. Honestly, it's okay,

553
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 5>one of the worst things.

554
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 4>And ever since then, everything that's happened to me, Like,

555
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.000
<v Speaker 4>I've thought about this, like for a long time, because

556
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 4>this is like going back like a year and a half,

557
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 4>two years ago.

558
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.519
<v Speaker 5>Almost, and.

559
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.559
<v Speaker 4>I've been trying to figure out a way to make

560
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:11.880
<v Speaker 4>it up to Chuck o'chelly.

561
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look, you don't have to do that.

562
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 4>The thing that bothers me that a person has to

563
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean.

564
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But here's the thing, man, I'm gonna tell you

565
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.599
<v Speaker 2>bluntly and right right here in front of everybody as

566
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 2>best I can.

567
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

568
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put this out the way it is. And

569
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just I'm sorry, I'm laughing at some of this.

570
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to. I have to laugh because I can't.

571
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>I was, well, it's it's kind of funny because realize

572
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.359
<v Speaker 2>this is again just because we're playing like Marty McFly clips,

573
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, from.

574
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 5>Back to the Future, which is some of my favorite stuff.

575
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>And he's so pissed at me that that he can't

576
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>even do his show and he's just forget it. He's

577
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>just angry because I said, are you sure you want

578
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 2>all these clips?

579
00:29:55.079 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 3>That's how it started. It was just I don't know

580
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 3>how I became the bad guy.

581
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I can't justify what I was saying. I can't.

582
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 2>It's okay, it's okay, it's just to me. It's the

583
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>funniest thing because it was, like I swear, I felt

584
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.599
<v Speaker 2>like there was no way, no way for me to win.

585
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>And then it got weirder after that because the show's over, okay, fine,

586
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>we cut it off, and uh, I don't know. And

587
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 2>then you got mad at me and started tweeting all

588
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:35.599
<v Speaker 2>kinds of crazy stuff and I was just like wow,

589
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know what to say, Like, well, just

590
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:40.839
<v Speaker 2>let me let me ask you this question because you

591
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>mentioned alcohol. Were you drinking when you were tweeting the

592
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff about.

593
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well that makes more sense.

594
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.359
<v Speaker 4>I was drinking, But that's that's not an excuse to

595
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 4>go against like one of your best budds.

596
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's it's.

597
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm not I'm not trying to make an excuse.

598
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.759
<v Speaker 4>I was just asking, just saying the mindset, like was

599
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 4>not the mindset if.

600
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:05.319
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, you know what I mean.

601
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like when someone goes to drink and then they

602
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 4>go and do something very public, it's not an excuse

603
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:22.200
<v Speaker 4>like you fucking made. You made the decision to put

604
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 4>yourself out there in whatever state of mind, whether you're

605
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 4>smoking weed, you're doing trooms, drinking whatever. You as a

606
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 4>fully formed adult, made a decision to present yourself in

607
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 4>a certain way.

608
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 5>You can't take that back.

609
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 3>But is this where everything starts unraveled though? Or did it?

610
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Or because it looked like there was a transition over

611
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>to some other places and I thought everything was gonna

612
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>be okay, you know, not necessarily suicidal.

613
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 4>I was, And not to give Bob Wilson credence because

614
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 4>when him and I were arguing, when you weren't, I

615
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 4>wasn't talking about suicide.

616
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.440
<v Speaker 5>I was just kissed at Bob Wilson.

617
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.920
<v Speaker 4>So now when you look back, oh yeah, he you know,

618
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.880
<v Speaker 4>he got you locked out and everything. Yeah, how can

619
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 4>you argue against you know, oh yeah, you know. But

620
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 4>the stuff that was going on in my life, my situation,

621
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 4>my living situation. You know, how can you justify what

622
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 4>your actions are, what you say.

623
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 5>And you really can't.

624
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, so here's the thing, Like, on the one hand,

625
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 2>people want you to share what's going on in your life, right,

626
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>but on the other hand, you got to kind of

627
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>put up a firewall because you can't give him everything

628
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 2>because if you do one way or another, people use

629
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 2>it against you, you know, And this is always the

630
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.279
<v Speaker 2>problem with even being just minor in the public's view

631
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 2>at all. You know, you get you get ten people

632
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>listening to you, and that's the end of it, because

633
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 2>guaranteed at least one of them hates your guts and

634
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.480
<v Speaker 2>is looking to take you apart. And they're listening to

635
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 2>you all the time, and they just want to take

636
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>you down. And I don't know what it's about, but

637
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 2>they do. And I've experienced quite a bit now, well,

638
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I've never see that's the weird. Like I have been

639
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<v Speaker 2>a faithful listener to people's I've been a faithful watcher

640
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>of you know, different things that people have created for

641
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 2>one reason or another. And I've never had the urge

642
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>to like watch somebody and like hate watch them where

643
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>you know.

644
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.519
<v Speaker 3>Like even though when I when I.

645
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Would watch the news, it was making me nuts for

646
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 2>a little bit because like I was watching the Don

647
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Lemon Show, and I started saying, look, it's like a

648
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:55.079
<v Speaker 2>game show.

649
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 3>It's like how racist is it is?

650
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>One hour and then the other hour is let's do

651
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 2>the break bunch split screen and argue about Donald Trump.

652
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>And that was his format. And I was watching it

653
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.400
<v Speaker 2>to just get to observe what's going on in one

654
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:08.639
<v Speaker 2>of the.

655
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 3>Major media outlets.

656
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>But I never had the urge to be like, you

657
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm gonna go after Don Lemon.

658
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

659
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:19.599
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to do that. Like I and I

660
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>know other people are like, oh, you know what, I've

661
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 2>heard terrible things though he's actually people made accusations against him.

662
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to repeat some of the weird

663
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 2>stuff people have tried to say that he did because.

664
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how true it is. And that's the thing.

665
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 2>I try not to repeat things that I think are

666
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>just crap unless I go, look, this is a rumor,

667
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>this is crap going around, and I'll tell you that.

668
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.159
<v Speaker 2>But but I've never had this urge to watch something

669
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 2>or to continuously listen to something and then go, I

670
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.599
<v Speaker 2>gotta take this presenter down. I gotta I gotta go

671
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 2>after this actor. I got to go after this broadcaster.

672
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I gotta go after this news guy. I've never done that.

673
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.679
<v Speaker 2>And even even when I turned away, like you know,

674
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I'll admit it, for a little while, I was an

675
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Alex Jones listener, right, for a little while. I mean,

676
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>almost anybody who delves into this stuff at some point

677
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.360
<v Speaker 2>in our in our generational span here from a extra

678
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to millennial, would would have to say, you know, Alex Jones,

679
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>at some point they were listening to.

680
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 5>Him, right.

681
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.079
<v Speaker 2>So the thing is I was listening to And even

682
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 2>though I goof on him and I see what he

683
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>is now, I'm not like actively trying to take him down.

684
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Personally, you know, Like I just I don't know what

685
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:33.800
<v Speaker 3>that is.

686
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Like, Like even I wasn't necessarily comfortable with when his

687
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.760
<v Speaker 2>his ex wife was going out on radio shows for

688
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. I almost went and got her, yeah,

689
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 2>and then I didn't because I was just like, you

690
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.599
<v Speaker 2>know what, it sounds to me like she's arguing personal

691
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>issues with Alex. Yeah, and like I don't know, I

692
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 2>don't want to go after Alex personally because he never

693
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:59.559
<v Speaker 2>personally harmed me, even though he did damage this stuff

694
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that I was involved in and uh and I got

695
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.280
<v Speaker 2>kicked off a South Carolina radio station because of them.

696
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.559
<v Speaker 2>But but still that was a business thing, you know

697
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>what I mean.

698
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.559
<v Speaker 3>It's just business, never personal.

699
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>It's just you know, not a big deal. But I

700
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like if you're just a at.

701
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Least this is the way it used to be.

702
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it still is because everybody and

703
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>their mother got a podcast now. But the thing is,

704
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>if you were a podcaster for a little while, you

705
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>guaranteed got you some hate listeners who wanted to go

706
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>after you personally. So if you uttered the wrong thing

707
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>or somehow expose your kids out there too much something

708
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.599
<v Speaker 2>like that, they go after your kids, They go after

709
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>your your your love life. They go after you know,

710
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>you were drunk in a.

711
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 3>Bar two years ago.

712
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>They dig up your your police records, they.

713
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 5>You know, and I have I have that now, Chuck. Yeah,

714
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:56.639
<v Speaker 5>Like I could.

715
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 4>I could go on and try to do a bunch

716
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 4>of podcasts right now, and I just feel like it's

717
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.360
<v Speaker 4>all going to get destroyed.

718
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 5>I do, I really do because.

719
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 4>There's people out there that don't think I was ever

720
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.719
<v Speaker 4>in a car accident which is on record, and I'm

721
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 4>still dealing with that record.

722
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, I guarantee you that if they did a little research,

723
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>they could they could get the police reports.

724
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, absolutely, it's public record.

725
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's got to be an accident report because

726
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I saw the picture of that car, So there's definitely

727
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:35.159
<v Speaker 2>an accident report.

728
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 7>People that don't think that that was like attributed to

729
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 7>the accident which a friend of mine, Eric, he came

730
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 7>down and he brought me to the car to try

731
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 7>to get my license in all the cards that were

732
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 7>my wallet.

733
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 5>But how am I supposed to combat that now?

734
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you don't want to lose that stuff. I

735
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>got to tell you because because right now, because I

736
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 2>don't have a valid government ID, I'm locked out of

737
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.800
<v Speaker 2>my Facebook. I've got all kinds of things I can't

738
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 2>do because I don't have an ID. And yeah, Facebook

739
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 2>will not let me back into Chuck O'Kelly or the

740
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Ocelli effect or any of the stuff on Facebook until

741
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I show them a government ID. And I uploaded to

742
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 2>them a brand new one because my old one is

743
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 2>no good.

744
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 5>So I can't find her. They want to reinstate my license.

745
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 4>Five hundred dollars, right, and I'm sitting here in the

746
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:37.599
<v Speaker 4>trailer and I'm not able to do anything now.

747
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 2>The only thing you're going to be able to do

748
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>first probably is go get just like a dmv ID

749
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 2>and to do Yeah, they'll issue you one of those,

750
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>and I mean as a handicapped person. In some states,

751
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're handicapped, they'll they'll give it to you for

752
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.400
<v Speaker 2>cheap or free. But even in places where you got

753
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to pay for it, you know, it might be twenty

754
00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.119
<v Speaker 2>bucks something like that.

755
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it would be thirty twenty five three dollars.

756
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well yeah, well again that's Massachusetts, so it's gonna

757
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 2>be a little more expensive, right right.

758
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 4>The thing like I I have to I've been trying

759
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 4>to get a disability lawyer for my.

760
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.480
<v Speaker 5>Lower back, right.

761
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 4>I when they when Boston Medical Center kicked me out,

762
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't able to bring my back brace, so my

763
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 4>lower back wasn't able to heal the way it was

764
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 4>supposed to do.

765
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to find a doctor and get re

766
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.119
<v Speaker 2>evaluated and then present that stuff to disabilities.

767
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 3>What you're gonna have to do.

768
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 5>That's what I'm trying to do right now.

769
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.480
<v Speaker 4>And I feel like I got people that I considered

770
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 4>like friends in mine for the last three years that

771
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.599
<v Speaker 4>I think I just I was making up the whole thing.

772
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.119
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll talk to my a couple of my family

773
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 5>members that are in the area, and it's like, how

774
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.960
<v Speaker 5>do you all these people that I consider friends? Do

775
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.039
<v Speaker 5>they think I made the whole thing up?

776
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know you didn't make the whole thing up.

777
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, but it's like, how do you prove that?

778
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 5>Now?

779
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.320
<v Speaker 8>They even were the same people that were sending me

780
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:24.280
<v Speaker 8>like a phone like to the hospital, and now it's

781
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 8>like I don't have any way to like, how am

782
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 8>I supposed to like prove that, you know what I mean.

783
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.559
<v Speaker 8>I don't mean to get emotional, but it's like I've

784
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 8>been in hell for the last like two months.

785
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 2>But look, man, I don't I don't feel good about

786
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 2>where this is going. I don't want you to have

787
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 2>to break down over this stuff I was.

788
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 5>Sorry to do. It's just my everyday life. I don't

789
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:51.000
<v Speaker 5>want to do. No.

790
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I understand this. I understand where you're at. I just yeah,

791
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 2>I understand where you're at.

792
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:56.880
<v Speaker 5>Man.

793
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.559
<v Speaker 3>Look I wish I had a.

794
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Solution for you on this, I really do, but it's

795
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>so impossible. You know, once people decide something about you

796
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 2>and you know.

797
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 5>You're, yeah, your credibility is out the window and.

798
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.960
<v Speaker 3>And you know, here, here's the thing, like, and I'm

799
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 3>not trying.

800
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 2>To be mean, but understand what you're thinking. Well, just

801
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 2>understand that, you know, if you acted out in certain

802
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 2>ways in the past with people, right, they might see that.

803
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 2>You know what, you can't necessarily trust everything that comes

804
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:37.679
<v Speaker 2>out of him because he said things in the past

805
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>or whatever alcohol or you know, or maybe he.

806
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:43.599
<v Speaker 3>Was And that's the thing, you know.

807
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know all of your interactions with these

808
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 2>people that are that are turning on you. I really don't.

809
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I can only speak for myself, you know what I mean.

810
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>And you know, and I feel bad because it's like

811
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I I wish, I wish I could help everybody.

812
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.

813
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>But but frankly, I don't have the ability to do

814
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>much for you except tell you that you know, you

815
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.800
<v Speaker 2>gotta you gotta let go that which is not on

816
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.199
<v Speaker 2>your side and just work with what you got. And

817
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I know sometimes it's not a lot. And believe me,

818
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I've been there. Yeah, you know, I I've had to

819
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.880
<v Speaker 2>reckon recently with the idea that you know, pretty much

820
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 2>outside of the people that I connect with on the internet,

821
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 2>right uh, you know, all I've got in my adult

822
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:31.639
<v Speaker 2>life is Kim.

823
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

824
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I've got no connection to anybody. I don't have friends

825
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>in the area. I don't see people, really, I mean,

826
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>I see random strangers on the street or whatever. But

827
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't have friends. I don't have family connections. I

828
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>got nothing.

829
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 4>So and I'm I'm I'm at the same place that

830
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 4>you're in.

831
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, the only the only advantage I have over you

832
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.199
<v Speaker 2>right now is I've got a partner. But I mean, honestly,

833
00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:00.760
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a very very tenuous thing.

834
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Speaker 3>You know.

835
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:05.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like your whole hold on anything outside of yourself

836
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 2>in life is just one other person.

837
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:08.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know.

838
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 4>And I tried to build up I excuse me, I

839
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.840
<v Speaker 4>tried to build up like the podcast thing in the

840
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 4>last three years. And now I noticed that a lot

841
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 4>of the people that I considered like really good friends

842
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 4>are gone now because they think I'm full of shit.

843
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:39.800
<v Speaker 4>And that's another reason why with the podcast stuff, I'm

844
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 4>kind of done with it because.

845
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.679
<v Speaker 5>All I'm going to get in like the comments.

846
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 4>Section or whatever is that oh, you're full of shit,

847
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 4>and and I can't bring myself to read that. Maybe

848
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 4>it's just too much of a pussy, but I just

849
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 4>can't like all the stuff that like right now, and

850
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 4>like I don't have any pain meds for my lower

851
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.639
<v Speaker 4>back or whatever, and I'm just gonna get comments from

852
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 4>people saying, you know, you're full of shit, you know,

853
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 4>like you never had an accident. It's like, how am

854
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.119
<v Speaker 4>I supposed to combat that kind of thing? What you

855
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.000
<v Speaker 4>were just saying, yes, like ten minutes, you know what

856
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean.

857
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>But like what I'm saying to you is, look, you

858
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>gotta unfortunately, you gotta.

859
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Let go of it because it's just yeah, people.

860
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 2>That are not on your side are not on your side,

861
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they're gonna they're gonna make their choices

862
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.559
<v Speaker 2>just like you made yours. And I mean, I'm sorry,

863
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.679
<v Speaker 2>but that that is what sucks about this, right is

864
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 2>that you're you're gonna make almost no friends doing this,

865
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, and the ones that you do, you never

866
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:48.559
<v Speaker 2>know how long you're gonna hang on to them for.

867
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 4>But Chuck, just if if I can ask you this,

868
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 4>if I were to continue trying to do shows and

869
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.519
<v Speaker 4>things like that, like what do I do? Like, like

870
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:04.599
<v Speaker 4>what do I do? Because I have a lot of

871
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 4>ideas for shows. But now I got this whole contingent

872
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.360
<v Speaker 4>of people that are going to think that I'm just

873
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 4>making it up.

874
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I wish I had a good suggestion for you,

875
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>because the fact is that if you're gonna get really

876
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 2>upset about people attacking you, they're gonna do it.

877
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.320
<v Speaker 3>But they're only going to do it just so long.

878
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, most of the people that have come after

879
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 2>me for this or that, or tried to, you know,

880
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.000
<v Speaker 2>personally harass me out of doing what I'm doing, they.

881
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Eventually go away. They fall away.

882
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:37.679
<v Speaker 5>You know.

883
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this now about twelve years. And the

884
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:45.079
<v Speaker 2>thing is, from the beginning, it started with like I said,

885
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.320
<v Speaker 2>as soon as you got like ten people listening, guaranteed

886
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 2>at least one of them hate you. Okay, I'm just

887
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 2>telling you, And they'll use anything against you.

888
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:53.159
<v Speaker 3>That they can.

889
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And what I'll tell you is that if you've

890
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>decided that you don't want to deal with that, then

891
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>don't you know you can do anything with your life

892
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 2>you choose to do. I know that there's limitations right now.

893
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 2>And believe me, I've dealt with limitations my whole life,

894
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, you know, I can't get access to this,

895
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't get access to that. I don't have you know,

896
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>and nobody ever backs me. It's always you know. I mean,

897
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>like I said, outside of outside of Kim, I have

898
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 2>really not had anybody.

899
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Back me, right, you know. So that's it.

900
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 2>That's all I got, and I have to either live

901
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>with that or not. And if I can't, then.

902
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I won't do this anymore.

903
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, when that comes, and it will

904
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 2>come eventually, I mean, at some point I'm gonna stop

905
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:42.679
<v Speaker 2>doing this.

906
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 3>I'll drop the dead or something, you know.

907
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.440
<v Speaker 4>You know when you have the hit Tricker's Guide to

908
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 4>the jfk assassination.

909
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I've got most of that written and

910
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what to do with it at

911
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 2>this point. I mean, I'm really questioning a lot of

912
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 2>things personally too going forward, and not for the same

913
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 2>reasons as you. I didn't go through a car accident,

914
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 2>but I went through this weird mystery illness, which is

915
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 2>funny because it actually happened around the same time that

916
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.920
<v Speaker 2>things happened with you. I come back from Dallas, right,

917
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and I felt kind of sick, and I said to myself, well,

918
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I just got exposed to people from

919
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>all over the country, and you know, some people from

920
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:23.320
<v Speaker 2>other countries, maybe who you know, probably you know, gave

921
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:24.039
<v Speaker 2>me some germs.

922
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

923
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even necessarily saying I believe in germ theory.

924
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, Look, I got exposed to people who

925
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 2>God knows what they were carrying or shedding or whatever.

926
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:35.360
<v Speaker 2>And at first I even thought maybe I was just

927
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 2>dealing with the shedding of the you know, of the

928
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 2>COVID vacs, right, But whatever it was, I started getting sick.

929
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 2>And then I got really really sick in December, like

930
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.320
<v Speaker 2>right away, and I was knocked down for weeks, and

931
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I kept trying to get back on the air, and

932
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I kept trying to I could not organize my mind.

933
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't hardly get out of bed, and I didn't

934
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 2>eat for weeks. I could not eat, I couldn't hold

935
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 2>down anything.

936
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 4>And I think it was one of the new strains.

937
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I god, well, see, here's the bad thing. I went

938
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 2>to a hospital at one point and they were stumped.

939
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 2>They were trying to find bird flu. They were trying

940
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 2>to find COVID. They were, and you know what, they

941
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.760
<v Speaker 2>found nothing. They're sitting there going, we don't know what's

942
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 2>wrong with you, right, and you know, and meanwhile, I

943
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 2>don't have the money to pay this, you know, all

944
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 2>all this credit like, it's not like I can go, Okay,

945
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go see five doctors afterwards.

946
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't gonna happen. So right with, the best I could.

947
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Get was they call it the coliseum over here. I

948
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.880
<v Speaker 2>forget what the technical medical term is for the hospital.

949
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 2>Even I forget now because I actually haven't gotten the

950
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 2>bills yet, which is strange. They haven't sent me to bills.

951
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.360
<v Speaker 5>So I got a bill for two hundred and nineteen

952
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:57.400
<v Speaker 5>thousand dollars.

953
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.519
<v Speaker 2>See, I'm sure they're putting one of those together for me,

954
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.280
<v Speaker 2>because I was in there a bit. But but I

955
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:05.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know what, you know, at some point I'll probably

956
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.960
<v Speaker 2>see it, like next month or something where it'll.

957
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Just show up.

958
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.920
<v Speaker 2>But the point is that, h they couldn't figure it out,

959
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.280
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, basically, Kim just dragged me home

960
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 2>and started, uh you know, feeding me capfuls of gator

961
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.800
<v Speaker 2>ray just to try and keep me going.

962
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Uh, And I was out of it. Man.

963
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I could not function at all, and I wasn't sleeping either.

964
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I was just kind of like in a zombifide kind

965
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 2>of state. And I have no idea what was going

966
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I really thought I was about ready to kick is

967
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:41.480
<v Speaker 2>what was going on? Because even I, like, for years,

968
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I have drank and everybody people know this about me,

969
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and they make fun of me sometimes I drink soda.

970
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 2>For years, I've always drank lots of soda and lots

971
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>of caffeinated soda. I drink lots of caffeine in general.

972
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>But I couldn't hold down the soda, and so I

973
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't drink soda for a while because it just wouldn't

974
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.440
<v Speaker 2>stay down. Because if I tried to, all I did

975
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.119
<v Speaker 2>is is throwback up foam, yeah, which was kind of pointless,

976
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, and any little bit of food, like if

977
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I tried to eat a cracker, forget, it came right

978
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Speaker 2>back up.

979
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what was going on.

980
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 2>It was like my body was rejecting everything and I

981
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>was just ill. And like I said, they tried to

982
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 2>find COVID, they tried to find bird flu and they

983
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 2>got negative tests.

984
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know what hit me even.

985
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and I and even Kim thought I

986
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.960
<v Speaker 2>was about ready to check out because I was just

987
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 2>that out of it and I just I don't know.

988
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 3>It was like, is did I have a stroke?

989
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like I really was that far out.

990
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 5>Of it.

991
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 3>And I've had neurological issues.

992
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:54.760
<v Speaker 5>So what did they tell you for aftercare? If you asking?

993
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:56.519
<v Speaker 3>They did not.

994
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.400
<v Speaker 2>All they said is to keep me hydrated, and you know,

995
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 2>pretty much eventually I'll be able to keep food down.

996
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.119
<v Speaker 3>That that was their whole aftercare. Nothing. That's what I'm

997
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 3>telling you. They were stumped. I don't even know. That's

998
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.280
<v Speaker 3>why I'm saying, I don't even know if they're gonna

999
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 3>send me a bill.

1000
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they won't, you know, but I mean normally they

1001
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:20.199
<v Speaker 2>would anyway, regardless even if they do nothing, they give

1002
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 2>you a freaking aspiren they send you two hundred dollars bill,

1003
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.440
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, but so far I haven't received it.

1004
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 4>Just saying, yeah, I don't know what to make of this.

1005
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, during that time, I know you

1006
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 2>were you were in there because I tried to call

1007
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.280
<v Speaker 2>you and they wouldn't put me through. It's like, yeah,

1008
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I got the right floor, I got the right nurse,

1009
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:46.800
<v Speaker 2>but you know, and I went through their switchboard, so

1010
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 2>I know it wasn't like, you know, your buddy's phone

1011
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.480
<v Speaker 2>or something, so.

1012
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean.

1013
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.760
<v Speaker 4>The thing now, like now it's like I don't know

1014
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:02.119
<v Speaker 4>how to prove that I was in there are not like.

1015
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I like I said, I wouldn't spend my

1016
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:07.320
<v Speaker 2>time doing battle with this stuff.

1017
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.079
<v Speaker 5>Right, Okay, I don't have the energies.

1018
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, literally, well, and you got to get yourself together.

1019
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Man.

1020
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like to me like, look, you're suffering right now,

1021
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.119
<v Speaker 2>and you got to focus on that, and you gotta

1022
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:19.239
<v Speaker 2>find a way out of.

1023
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 3>That one way or another. Okay.

1024
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm not suggesting chemical solutions. I'm not suggesting

1025
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.840
<v Speaker 2>that you can do things that you don't have money

1026
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 2>to do.

1027
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:29.559
<v Speaker 3>But there's got to be a way out of it.

1028
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sorry, I wish I had the solution for you,

1029
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:33.519
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't even know what to do with myself

1030
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:37.639
<v Speaker 2>when I was sitting here sick. Yeah, you know, and

1031
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 2>there was you know, nobody seemed to miss me all

1032
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 2>that much when I stopped doing my show, So you know,

1033
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>it's like, okay, what happened to that? I mean, I

1034
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:49.760
<v Speaker 2>had one or two people that care.

1035
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.920
<v Speaker 5>I missed you this whole time, my friend, right, I

1036
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:02.679
<v Speaker 5>treated you like garbage, and I'm very I'm very for that. Well, look, no,

1037
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 5>I really am.

1038
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you know what, I don't. I don't hold

1039
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:08.119
<v Speaker 3>it against you, all right.

1040
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 5>I really do.

1041
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:15.440
<v Speaker 4>I can't explain like the mental stuff like anyone out there,

1042
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.679
<v Speaker 4>check o'chilly is a great producer, and.

1043
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:26.119
<v Speaker 5>I'm just a very flawed person. And I never meant

1044
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 5>for what happened to happen.

1045
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 3>All right, Look, I'll tell you what. Let's leave it.

1046
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Let's leave it off here, Chris, because here's the thing.

1047
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't hold this against you, okay, And and I don't.

1048
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't need apologies or nothing.

1049
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I just you know what, I want you to know

1050
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.480
<v Speaker 2>that though I appreciate it, and and I want you

1051
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to know that I hope that whatever you decide to

1052
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>do in the future, that you excel at. I hope

1053
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.920
<v Speaker 2>that you you you have a future in front of you.

1054
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.360
<v Speaker 3>You just got to decide what to do with.

1055
00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 2>It, Okay. And I can't make those decisions for you.

1056
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 2>I can't make those suggestions for you. I wish I could,

1057
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, but if I felt competent to solve my

1058
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 2>own future questions, then I would. I would probably tell

1059
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.039
<v Speaker 2>you something, but I can't, you know what I mean.

1060
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.840
<v Speaker 2>So look, I want to leave this off here. Obviously

1061
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 2>we're not promoting anything today. You can go get the

1062
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 2>TNP feed still has your stuff on it, doesn't it

1063
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 2>or did they take that down?

1064
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.039
<v Speaker 5>They still have it on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, look if people go and search out get

1066
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Mad with Chris Graves or digging Chris Graves, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things out there on the TNP feed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's still up on the Rumble channel and

1069
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 2>things like that. I'm pretty sure you can search it there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a bunch of us got perched from Rock Fin,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't think you're up on there anymore or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, a lot of my shows are gone now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Rock Finn ditched a bunch of us apparently.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Weezy America Unplugged.

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00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:07.639
<v Speaker 2>And Corbett Report and my show and yeah, so you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, uh, but you might be able to

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00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.880
<v Speaker 2>find Chris on Rumble still and I know I put

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<v Speaker 2>out some videos with this stuff. I I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>where they are if they still exist, because a lot

1081
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:23.559
<v Speaker 2>of my stuff got knocked down, but but you can

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<v Speaker 2>find it out there. And again, we're not doing this

1083
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<v Speaker 2>to promote anything. I just wanted to have a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with Chris and be like, look, you know what.

1085
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<v Speaker 3>I hope that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know they're going forward, You're you're gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 2>to succeed. It's cool, man, Look I love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>I always wanted to I. Yeah, well, you know what

1089
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<v Speaker 2>we all are. You know what I'm saying. I I

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00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 2>know that I'm rather flawed as well. That's why again

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even blame you. It's just I I didn't

1092
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<v Speaker 2>understand what was happening, though. I gotta be honest with you,

1093
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.800
<v Speaker 2>and that's why I'm laughing earlier at it, because I mean,

1094
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<v Speaker 2>I can't I can't do anything else with it at

1095
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:07.719
<v Speaker 2>this point because I still don't quite understand exactly what happened.

1096
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<v Speaker 3>It just was weird and things.

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<v Speaker 5>Really it was my situation at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, things happen, and hopefully at least some of

1099
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<v Speaker 2>that has improved. You know, whatever was going on then

1100
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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're doing better off of that. I hope

1101
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.679
<v Speaker 2>you're doing better outside of the fact that I know

1102
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:27.159
<v Speaker 2>you're suffering at the moment. I hope you're in a

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00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 2>better place than you were.

1104
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<v Speaker 3>Then.

1105
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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying trying.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, man, that's all we all can do every

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<v Speaker 2>single day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm gonna leave it at that, guys, And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put this out as is, not going to edit

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<v Speaker 2>it or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>It just is as it is. And uh, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to thank you for coming on and doing

1114
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<v Speaker 3>this with me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, I'd love to see you do

1116
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 2>some stuff in the future, but I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I'm not sure because of all the craft

1119
00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:59.800
<v Speaker 4>surrounding the accident and all that.

1120
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<v Speaker 3>You never know, you could change your name.

1121
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<v Speaker 5>Right, because I have a lot, I know, I have

1122
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:14.199
<v Speaker 5>a lot to offer. It's just you know, the conspiracy

1123
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 5>theorist guy. I don't know.

1124
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:18.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, but who knows.

1125
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can do something else and make Chris your

1126
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.880
<v Speaker 2>last name, right, and then use your middle name as

1127
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:25.679
<v Speaker 2>your first name or something like that, you know, switch

1128
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:26.079
<v Speaker 2>it around.

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00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:28.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna try, yeah, switch.

1130
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<v Speaker 2>Around, after all, Jack blood is not you know, that's

1131
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>not his name.

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<v Speaker 4>I know. Yeah, I just want you to know that

1133
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:43.000
<v Speaker 4>he would you taking the time to.

1134
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<v Speaker 5>To talk to me and my all, my ship, my

1135
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:46.119
<v Speaker 5>bullshit right now.

1136
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<v Speaker 2>Look, man's if it's the least I can do, it's

1137
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the least I can do.

1138
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<v Speaker 3>But I I really heard thinks.

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<v Speaker 5>Man. You're a good man. You're a good man.

1140
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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I I I just hope that things improve

1141
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<v Speaker 3>for you.

1142
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<v Speaker 5>Man.

1143
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<v Speaker 2>That's all for you guys listening, We're gonna leave it

1144
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<v Speaker 2>at that. I'm just gonna cut this all right.

1145
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<v Speaker 13>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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