Speaker 1: Get ready for it.
Speaker 2: Hey, the sixteenth day of twenty twenty five March.
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm putting it all out order.
Speaker 2: Why not, Allegedly, according to that thing called the calendar,
Speaker 2: the Ocelli Effect, broadcasting live on a Sunday. Notice, I
Speaker 2: didn't screw around with the day, because Sunday is Sunday anyway.
Speaker 2: It is what it is, and it was what it's
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 3: And all that.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Who do I got with me here on a Sunday?
Speaker 2: I got two guests actually that are going to go
Speaker 2: out live. And the first little surprise on a Sunday
Speaker 2: is a conversation with Chris Graves. Now, if you listen
Speaker 2: to my podcast regularly, you might hurt him call into
Speaker 2: the Friday Night Show recently, you might have been aware
Speaker 2: that there was a little bit of a controversy between
Speaker 2: us not too long ago, and all that good stuff
Speaker 2: or not so good stuff, depending on who you are.
Speaker 2: I guess, and hey, look, I I'm I'm coming into
Speaker 2: this with an open mind. I heard that Chris doesn't
Speaker 2: want to do podcasts anymore, and uh maybe is bowing
Speaker 2: out getting away from the UH, the alt media, the
Speaker 2: alt writers, the UH counter narrative people out there. Maybe
Speaker 2: he's done with it all. So I wanted to see, uh, why,
Speaker 2: how and all that? And uh, let's hear from the
Speaker 2: guy who you know did what digging, Digging, Chris Graves
Speaker 2: and get Mad with Chris Graves two shows that are
Speaker 2: still circulating out there, uh, in the potosphere or whatever.
Speaker 2: But he says he's not doing anymore and that's going
Speaker 2: to be that. Although I did see you were recently
Speaker 2: on doing a thing about Dave McGowan. But a tribute
Speaker 2: show doesn't really count, does it? If it's not yours.
Speaker 2: It's just you're just pitching in because you love the subject. So, Chris,
Speaker 2: how you doing today?
Speaker 4: I'm doing Uh, I'm doing okay. I guess I'm just
Speaker 4: happy that we're able to do this right now.
Speaker 2: Well, we both survived two interesting things. I had a
Speaker 2: mystery ill this and you went through a car crash.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to talk about that,
Speaker 2: but it's up to you. I leave it open, as
Speaker 2: I do for any guest to discuss what they want.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'd like to first focus on why
Speaker 2: it is you're getting out if indeed I'm reading that
Speaker 2: right that you're getting out of this whole thing, and
Speaker 2: then maybe we talk about you know, your recent challenges,
Speaker 2: what you've been through, and anything else you want to
Speaker 2: cover for an hour. So go for it, man, why
Speaker 2: are you getting out?
Speaker 5: First of all, well, throughout my life, not to get
Speaker 5: into the.
Speaker 4: Not to get into all the the horrible stuff. But
Speaker 4: I had a lot of trauma growing up, like a
Speaker 4: lot of people, and I I came.
Speaker 5: To find that I was really good at research. When
Speaker 5: it came to you know.
Speaker 4: I guess you'd call it conspiracy theories, government corruption and
Speaker 4: things like that, and it's not a very healthy place
Speaker 4: to be, first of all, but I was good at
Speaker 4: finding things that were buried. When it came to on
Speaker 4: the Internet, I utilized tools like the Wayback Machine, Google,
Speaker 4: you know, Lios, all these you know, these older search engines,
Speaker 4: and I was able to find like material that nobody
Speaker 4: remembered or maybe they never saw it to begin with.
Speaker 4: When it came to things like JFK. Junior, when it
Speaker 4: came to t WA eight hundred, we Columbine nine to
Speaker 4: eleven was like the main issue that really woke me
Speaker 4: up to you know, conspiracies in general.
Speaker 5: I mean I could go back and say UFOs and
Speaker 5: things like that. But I think it's like a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people right, sorry about the weenie dogs there,
Speaker 2: they're they're interrupting for no particular reason. Probably something's going
Speaker 2: on outside my house, but just saying it's I note
Speaker 2: here when I listen to you talk about what it
Speaker 2: is that you got drawn into and what it is
Speaker 2: you felt as though you could uncover details about. And
Speaker 2: the one thing that stands out is a lot of death,
Speaker 2: destruction and evil stuff. And you're saying, look, it's not
Speaker 2: a healthy headspace. And I get that, you know, if
Speaker 2: you immerse yourself. And I note this with the people
Speaker 2: that focus heavily on the you know, the child trafficking
Speaker 2: and all that, when they're serious researchers about it and
Speaker 2: they're trying to dig up stories about it. Look, man,
Speaker 2: you're going into a dark, dark, horrible area, you know,
Speaker 2: and whether it's murder and mayhem or it's like I said,
Speaker 2: legal activity, actually exploiting people directly, you know, human slavery,
Speaker 2: all these things. You're not going into a place where
Speaker 2: there's happy. You know, all this stuff is ugly, ugly, ugly,
Speaker 2: And even though you're digging up things that have gone
Speaker 2: into the memory hole or that have disappeared off of
Speaker 2: the Internet. It's still you're in an ugly dark place. Man,
Speaker 2: You're digging up dirt. I mean, would would you say
Speaker 2: that's a fair way to categorize this, characterize it?
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, And maybe I had a misplaced sense
Speaker 4: of like, maybe I can shed light on this kind
Speaker 4: of thing. But just with my background when it comes
Speaker 4: to substance abuse and depression and anxiety, that you're not
Speaker 4: equipped with the right tools, like right off the bat,
Speaker 4: that people can just kind of, you know, throw away
Speaker 4: what you're saying based on your character. That has waited
Speaker 4: on me in the last three years to be honest
Speaker 4: with you quite heavily.
Speaker 2: And well, here's the thing I need to ask again.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm hearing your story and
Speaker 2: I want to help you tell it right. And the
Speaker 2: thing I'm hearing again is that, look, I realize that
Speaker 2: I've got my issues. And I could say that personally
Speaker 2: from my own perspective too. And you know, you walk
Speaker 2: through hell you think you've got to handle on these things.
Speaker 2: And that's the weird spot to be in because I mean, look,
Speaker 2: the more I encounter people, the less healthy individuals I
Speaker 2: find as it is, and it doesn't matter what part
Speaker 2: of the world I'm looking at. I mean, I can
Speaker 2: walk down the street and find, you know, the crazy
Speaker 2: homeless dude, or I can go on the internet and think,
Speaker 2: I found you know, a kin kindred spirit of some
Speaker 2: sort who is interested in the same thing as me,
Speaker 2: and then we might even try to cooperate work together
Speaker 2: this kind of thing. And at the same time, a
Speaker 2: lot of people a breakdowns. They just break, they snap.
Speaker 2: And people are snapping and breaking and causing all kinds
Speaker 2: of problems in their own lives directly. And meanwhile they're
Speaker 2: out there on a journey of justice, right, trying to
Speaker 2: right or wrong in some way. And this is the
Speaker 2: way a lot of people get drawn into the idea
Speaker 2: of let's reveal stuff. And I look, and I'm saying this,
Speaker 2: this is part of my own character too, where look,
Speaker 2: I was so damaged that I thought maybe I should
Speaker 2: rectify certain things. And I often point to, look, my
Speaker 2: father's suicide and all that kind of stuff, And that's
Speaker 2: the beginning of me deciding we need to go after
Speaker 2: the people who are responsible for the Vietnam War, right,
Speaker 2: And that leads me into Jfkland And again, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to tell my story over yours. I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to say I don't think it's that uncommon. I think
Speaker 2: that this is a prevalent thing in the universe among
Speaker 2: people that are not just out there playing games with it,
Speaker 2: people that are serious.
Speaker 3: I think this is something that happens. What do you
Speaker 3: think of that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I one hundred percent agree. In my situation,
Speaker 4: I let alcohol destroy my life and it's still destroying
Speaker 4: my life. And it's unfortunate because I really do believe
Speaker 4: in my abilities of finding certain things.
Speaker 5: But when you have alcohol.
Speaker 4: In the background, people are able to write you office
Speaker 4: just mean a conspiracy kook. And that's where I find
Speaker 4: myself currently. And it's heartbreaking because a lot of hours
Speaker 4: going to trying to find, you know, the truth, quote
Speaker 4: unquote the truth, whatever the topic is, whether it's JFK.
Speaker 5: Nine to eleven, whatever, And.
Speaker 4: When people find out that you have like a background
Speaker 4: when it comes to substance use, it's very hard to
Speaker 4: dig yourself out of that hole. And then people think
Speaker 4: that you're making up everything when even when you're not.
Speaker 5: So Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Well, did this happen on a personal, like just on
Speaker 2: a one to one basis with you, or do you
Speaker 2: think that this kind of publicly happened to you where
Speaker 2: people started saying, look, you know, Chris obviously has a
Speaker 2: drinking problem or something like that. I mean, because I
Speaker 2: didn't notice that anybody was attacking you like that. But
Speaker 2: then again, you and I stopped talking for.
Speaker 3: A little while.
Speaker 2: So were people attacking you directly in public? Or was
Speaker 2: this a private thing or what was going on? I mean,
Speaker 2: if you want to share that, go ahead. If you don't, don't,
Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking, did it privately?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They are now and I can't blame them because I can't.
Speaker 4: Like I got I got in a car accident on
Speaker 4: December second of December, and now I have people that
Speaker 4: don't believe.
Speaker 5: That I even was in a car accident.
Speaker 4: It's on record because I was in the hospital, and
Speaker 4: there's no way for me to really combat that, and
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I could back up the Christmas If anybody's listening to this,
Speaker 2: wait a second. If anybody's listening to this and thinks
Speaker 2: that Chris wasn't in the hospital or wasn't in an accident,
Speaker 2: here's the thing. I might even have a motive to
Speaker 2: sit here and attack him, and and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to uh but but the thing is, he was in
Speaker 2: the hospital.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get a hold of him at the hospital.
Speaker 3: They would't let me talk to him.
Speaker 2: But he was there, okay, and he was there for
Speaker 2: a long time and was in intensive care, so but
Speaker 2: they wouldn't let me talk to him. I'm just just
Speaker 2: telling you, guys that that's a reality. If somebody thinks
Speaker 2: that he wasn't in the hospital and he didn't get
Speaker 2: hurt really really bad. Now I don't know all the details.
Speaker 2: Some people shared him secondhand to me, but I'm telling
Speaker 2: you now, if you think he wasn't in the hospital
Speaker 2: or he wasn't injured real bad, you're wrong. That did happen.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, so but please go ahead. I just
Speaker 2: want to verify that that's true in case anybody thinks
Speaker 2: it isn't good.
Speaker 4: I just want to say that there's people out there
Speaker 4: that I really can I consider really good friends of mine,
Speaker 4: that they think I made the whole thing up, and
Speaker 4: which I can't combat because like, how do you combat
Speaker 4: that kind of thing? Because the people that don't think
Speaker 4: that I even was in an accident, they were sending
Speaker 4: me phones and they.
Speaker 5: Were calling me all the time.
Speaker 4: So now it's like, I don't know what, there's nothing
Speaker 4: for me to really be able to do to defend myself.
Speaker 4: But you know, they can think whatever they want to think.
Speaker 4: But it's been heartbreaking, and yeah, the conspiracy.
Speaker 5: World, I don't know, like I could have went further
Speaker 5: than what I did.
Speaker 4: And now I'm just like I'm better rough not to
Speaker 4: even like broach the subject. So well, what especially when
Speaker 4: it comes to like, you know, the Trump assassination attempt
Speaker 4: that the election that just happened, Like I can't I
Speaker 4: find myself in a position where I can't even go
Speaker 4: into that because it's just gonna hurt me in some way.
Speaker 2: So Okay, what you're saying, though, is that your credibility
Speaker 2: guy's gone. Got's taken from you? But what at what
Speaker 2: point did you lose it? I mean, do you think
Speaker 2: you lost it because you were acting out a bit
Speaker 2: before the car accident or is it the car accident.
Speaker 3: That did it? Or what?
Speaker 2: What do you think it caused you to lose that
Speaker 2: credibility if you don't mind me asking specifically.
Speaker 4: Well, there's people that don't even think I was kicked
Speaker 4: out of a Boston medical center on the Year's Eve,
Speaker 4: which was the case because I had to have my
Speaker 4: sister calling uber to uber me back from Boston, Massachusetts
Speaker 4: back to Taunton, mass So how am I supposed to
Speaker 4: prove that to anybody?
Speaker 2: I don't I can't personally verify that. I I didn't
Speaker 2: know what happened to you at a certain point there,
Speaker 2: but I know I was trying to get a hold
Speaker 2: of you, but I couldn't couldn't get through to you.
Speaker 2: And then later on you got a hold of me,
Speaker 2: which you know, which is the way that worked. But look,
Speaker 2: I mean, but they're just calling you. They're just saying
Speaker 2: that you weren't telling the truth about certain things that
Speaker 2: were going on there. I mean, is it possible you
Speaker 2: mix things up or maybe you did mislead somebody about anything?
Speaker 3: I mean, is that possible?
Speaker 4: I don't know how it's possible, because I have the
Speaker 4: not only the documentation, but I had photographs from a
Speaker 4: friend of mine, Eric this is me in Boston Medical Center,
Speaker 4: and he helped me get my belongings out of my
Speaker 4: car that was totally smashed and beyond repair that I
Speaker 4: had to sign over to the Totra.
Speaker 5: Company that had my car.
Speaker 4: So I've been here since New Year's Day of you know,
Speaker 4: of the December.
Speaker 5: Okay, anyway, rather and I.
Speaker 3: Got you, I wasn't challenging you. I'm just saying, is
Speaker 3: it no.
Speaker 5: You weren't.
Speaker 4: No, But there's people out there that I really care
Speaker 4: about that I really think I made all this stuff
Speaker 4: like whole cloth like and I really didn't.
Speaker 2: I know, part of it's true, like I said, because
Speaker 2: I interacted at least and tried to see what was
Speaker 2: going on. And you know, but and meanwhile, as I said,
Speaker 2: you know, you and I were kind of at odds
Speaker 2: at that point in time in my mind, so you know.
Speaker 3: It was a weird situation.
Speaker 2: Well look, I'm, as I told you privately, I don't
Speaker 2: want an apology. But you know, if you want to
Speaker 2: tell people about that, go ahead, that's up to you.
Speaker 2: But but I'm just exploring why it is you're quitting,
Speaker 2: and you know, if it's just because of a personal
Speaker 2: attack over over this one situation. I got to tell you, man,
Speaker 2: I've been through a bunch of these things over the
Speaker 2: years where people have challenged things and said that I
Speaker 2: wasn't telling the truth about stuff.
Speaker 3: Or I didn't I.
Speaker 2: Didn't do the you know, or I didn't do certain
Speaker 2: things that I claimed I did, and all kinds of
Speaker 2: weird stuff. And it's wild because you know, you don't
Speaker 2: always take the time to document everything, you know, so
Speaker 2: that I have, you know, my receipts ready for you
Speaker 2: every single time that I make a claim. But you know,
Speaker 2: like many phone calls I've had with people that I've
Speaker 2: had to relate because I didn't record word every phone call,
Speaker 2: you know, with with different people and different strange things
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 3: Over the years.
Speaker 2: And believe me, if I was making up stories, I'd
Speaker 2: make up way better stories than the ones I've told
Speaker 2: on here, you.
Speaker 3: Know, because of some strange stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, like my whole weird interaction with uh Courtney
Speaker 2: Love's father there, right. I wish I had more, you know,
Speaker 2: interesting information to tell, but he just kind of, yeah,
Speaker 2: he just sort of died, uh in the midst of
Speaker 2: him and I played phone tag, which was weird.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and I totally believe it.
Speaker 2: Too, I do, you know, But but he did get
Speaker 2: on the show once and uh, and then they actually
Speaker 2: invited me to go on the Zoom memorial thing they
Speaker 2: did uh uh, you know, uh. And I recorded the
Speaker 2: audio of that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But but I don't usually record everything I do, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's just a matter of I
Speaker 2: recorded that because I was looking, you know, I just
Speaker 2: I wanted to be able to catch it all and
Speaker 2: I didn't know if I could sit in front of
Speaker 2: the screen the whole time, so I recorded it. And
Speaker 2: matter of fact, I think I might have sent you
Speaker 2: the audio just to show you what was going on.
Speaker 2: But but okay, but that was back when you and
Speaker 2: I were working together, and that came to a sudden end.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if people know that story now
Speaker 2: or if they care.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody even cares if they care.
Speaker 5: But can I just backtrack and.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, tell your side of it, because for me,
Speaker 2: it begins with back to the Future, I know, which
Speaker 2: is the goofiest way a minute, let me just say
Speaker 2: this before you say anything.
Speaker 3: It is the.
Speaker 2: Goofiest, stupidest thing to end up in an argument with
Speaker 2: somebody over that you are like working with and trying
Speaker 2: to like because I'm trying to promote you, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to work with you, I'm trying to produce your show
Speaker 2: and I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 3: Okay, And that fight.
Speaker 2: We didn't get into a fight over combine or some
Speaker 2: or some guest you had on that I didn't like,
Speaker 2: because you had a few guests I did not like.
Speaker 2: You had a few you know, interesting, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: why is he bringing this guy on? Okay, Fine, you're
Speaker 2: gonna talk to this guy again.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know.
Speaker 2: And I've been through a whole weird thing with and
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up a name you're not gonna like.
Speaker 2: But I've been through a whole weird thing with Bob
Speaker 2: Wilson already because.
Speaker 3: But I was trying to produce him.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I bring you up with him
Speaker 2: right now, or the reason why I bring him up
Speaker 2: to you, is because the both of you came off
Speaker 2: with Don Jefferies where you guys were kind of like
Speaker 2: working with him, and I was like, don you know,
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying producing your show, but you know, I'd like
Speaker 2: to produce some others, and he like kind of shoves.
Speaker 3: You two guys my way.
Speaker 2: And then Don was getting produced a lot, heavily by
Speaker 2: Tony Hardburn, and he was focusing on those shows, and
Speaker 2: we weren't really getting much traction out of the Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Show over here.
Speaker 3: So I said, don look.
Speaker 2: Take take the intro we wrote, take the artwork, take everything,
Speaker 2: bring it over to Tony and do it over there,
Speaker 2: because it'll be better, more consolidated with him. It's not
Speaker 2: because I didn't like Don.
Speaker 3: I like Don. He's a nice guy.
Speaker 5: Well can I say something in your favor?
Speaker 3: Go ahead?
Speaker 5: Well, Don, who's a friend of mine.
Speaker 4: He wasn't promoting the Don Jeffrey Show an ochelly dot com.
Speaker 4: All he was doing was promoting his show I Protest,
Speaker 4: which was on Tony Ardeburn's network.
Speaker 5: I'm Erica lug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's how I felt about it. And you
Speaker 2: know what, I don't begrudge him. He can do what
Speaker 2: he wants with his name, his stuff, and maybe he
Speaker 2: just didn't feel like it was worthy of promoting, which okay, cool,
Speaker 2: then go ahead and do that. And that was the
Speaker 2: whole thing. I wasn't mad. I wasn't like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't like Don Jeffries anymore. It was just like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense for him and I to get together
Speaker 2: once a week to do a show that hardly anybody
Speaker 2: is paying attention to. In fact, take the archive. Don
Speaker 2: take the archive and bring it over there, maybe people
Speaker 2: will hear it. I'd rather people got to hear the
Speaker 2: shows that we did. And you know, or you rise up, man,
Speaker 2: Rise up. All I ever want when I work with
Speaker 2: somebody is please do better, do better.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: And I don't care if I was producing Jack Blood
Speaker 2: or I was producing you or Pierce or you know.
Speaker 2: I've been working with Aaron the longest, but all I
Speaker 2: want to do is see if we can, you know,
Speaker 2: get you doing better. I want to see you guys succeed,
Speaker 2: all of you, all of you. And that's it. And
Speaker 2: the weirdness that went on with me and Bob was
Speaker 2: because he started doing Religious hours on my network and
Speaker 2: I basically said I don't agree with this, and he's
Speaker 2: freaked out and he wanted out.
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, here you go.
Speaker 2: And in fact, here's a very Christian centric broadcaster that
Speaker 2: would probably love to produce your show. I even gave
Speaker 2: him another broadcaster to go to and said, you know what,
Speaker 2: and again, still even though I disagree with you and
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear you, know, what I feel
Speaker 2: as though is a very it's kind of negative when
Speaker 2: it's like, unless you're a Christian, you're you're nothing, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of I don't like that. So you want to
Speaker 2: take that with somebody who appreciates that, go ahead, do it.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I wish you well, you know, and
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 5: So see right now, Bob Wilson got me.
Speaker 4: Uh he he made a story about how I wanted
Speaker 4: to kill myself and he got me.
Speaker 5: Uh. He got me locked up in the looney Bend.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He got you on a on a cycle that it seems.
Speaker 4: Like, uh for like a week and a half where
Speaker 4: I literally had to blame my own lawyer.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to laugh, but I actually called you when
Speaker 3: you were in there.
Speaker 4: I want to say that because it's important, because you
Speaker 4: were one of the only people that called me when
Speaker 4: I was in there that like help me.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: First, first, Chris, I was concerned, okay, because if indeed
Speaker 2: you had been in that mindset, yeah, I didn't want
Speaker 2: you to harm yourself, you know, if that's where you
Speaker 2: were at, you know. But but I didn't also make
Speaker 2: that judgment because I hadn't heard you say this stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, I was like, well, you know, Chris
Speaker 2: is a little moody, and maybe I am. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe he said some crazy stuff. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I would never call the authorities. I
Speaker 2: would have called you up and tried to be like, dude,
Speaker 2: look talk to me for a little while.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's what I would and that's what I have done.
Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway, I'm just saying, yeah, so that happened,
Speaker 2: but that was before you and I had a problem.
Speaker 3: Like I said, that's even before.
Speaker 2: Being Bob had and I got a little mad at
Speaker 2: him over it because I don't believe in calling. The
Speaker 2: last thing in the world I ever want to do
Speaker 2: is because to.
Speaker 5: Get the authorities involved involved to the bitter end.
Speaker 2: And everything gets worse. Well, you see, I don't call
Speaker 2: a cops. Okay, if somebody has to be dead before
Speaker 2: I'm calling the police. And really I'm only calling them
Speaker 2: so they can legally remove a corpse. I really don't
Speaker 2: want to call them.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, seriously, right, you know. So that's my attitude.
Speaker 2: And I didn't like that Bob did that, and I
Speaker 2: told him I'm like, dude, I would never call the authority.
Speaker 2: He asked me, should I call and I said no.
Speaker 2: But anyway, all I know is it that my.
Speaker 5: Corner throughout the whole thing is when I'm trying to say, and.
Speaker 2: It wasn't your quarner, but but anyway, so we start
Speaker 2: working together and me and Bob stop working together and
Speaker 2: that's that, and uh, okay, but we're going along for
Speaker 2: a little while. But it was about a year, right.
Speaker 4: About a year year and a half, I'm not exactly sure,
Speaker 4: but okay, I started getting bitchy about there's this episode
Speaker 4: where I wanted to do a tribute to Back to
Speaker 4: the Future, and I was setting all these clips that
Speaker 4: I was finding on YouTube and I didn't exactly put
Speaker 4: them in context. So, yeah, it wasn't you.
Speaker 5: It was me, like trying to put together a show
Speaker 5: at the last minute. Okay, so we've done it.
Speaker 3: Can I interject something here? Can I just I.
Speaker 4: Put together quite a bit like at the last minute
Speaker 4: because I don't know just my OCD or just my
Speaker 4: personality whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me just interject something here, right, is that? Okay?
Speaker 2: So about two hours before he's about to go on air,
Speaker 2: he sends me all these clips that I gotta go
Speaker 2: and record real fast. I got to record each clip
Speaker 2: so I can play them, yeah, or I got to
Speaker 2: set it up so I can run you know, all
Speaker 2: these tabs open on YouTube, which is not an efficient
Speaker 2: way to use a computer at all. So I'm looking
Speaker 2: at it and going, wait a minute, let me add
Speaker 2: together these times? All right, Now your show is.
Speaker 5: Only I'm sorry, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying your show is one hour long.
Speaker 5: What a fucking schmuck I am. But you know, I
Speaker 5: well judge the language, but.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 2: Look, let me let me just finish saying what I'm
Speaker 2: saying here because I want to get this out. So
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the time and I'm going, now, Chris's
Speaker 2: show is usually an hour, but if I allowed two hours,
Speaker 2: which we had an extra almost an hour, and sometimes
Speaker 2: he'd run over, so the show would be more than
Speaker 2: an hour long. But it was okay because I had
Speaker 2: a two hour pocket where you know, we could do
Speaker 2: get mad, right. And the thing is, I'm adding up
Speaker 2: the times on these clips, and if we played them
Speaker 2: all without even stopping, Okay, there was like thirty clips,
Speaker 2: by the way, I mean like literally thirty. I'm not
Speaker 2: even saying thirty like a throwing out a bad.
Speaker 5: Number that you're not You're not off.
Speaker 3: I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the exact number might have been twenty eight,
Speaker 2: but it was close to thirty clips. Okay, and they're
Speaker 2: all a couple of minutes long, and some of them
Speaker 2: were longer, like seven eight minutes.
Speaker 3: So the point is when you add them all together.
Speaker 2: I looked at it and went, there's more than an
Speaker 2: hour and twenty in clips. And I'm going, okay, Chris,
Speaker 2: are you sure you want all of these?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know, I'm went in his response, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: His response is.
Speaker 5: He's one of the best producers out there.
Speaker 2: But his response was, never mind. I just I just
Speaker 2: wanted to have fun. Screw this, never mind. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to have fun. And I'm like, Chris, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to tell you not to have fun. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to do math here, and so we're going for it,
Speaker 2: and then and then he's like, okay. So we're getting
Speaker 2: about ten fifteen minutes before showtime, and he's like, you're
Speaker 2: mad at me, aren't you. And I'm like kinda, but
Speaker 2: never mind, Let's do the show and just get through
Speaker 2: it and forget it.
Speaker 4: I want Spas to gun. Chuck is basically what it
Speaker 4: comes down to. Because I have a all lot of
Speaker 4: mental issues.
Speaker 3: So well you wouldn't let it go. But you wouldn't
Speaker 3: let it go, okay.
Speaker 2: And and then you were like you got on air
Speaker 2: and you go all right, look I'm on air, but
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I want to do this,
Speaker 2: so screw it anyway, play a clip.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, this is funny to me.
Speaker 5: I was not professional in the least.
Speaker 3: But this is just funny to me because it's like,
Speaker 3: I can't win.
Speaker 2: There's no way to win.
Speaker 4: You couldn't and you know what, you you put up
Speaker 4: with my stuff as best you could.
Speaker 5: And all I can say is that I apologized.
Speaker 3: But first it's okay, it's okay. Look, it's it's okay.
Speaker 2: But look the phrase it comes to mind Star Trek fans,
Speaker 2: Kobe Yashi Maru.
Speaker 3: You have the no win scenario here. I couldn't do anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just like, dude, okay, just just
Speaker 2: forget it, Chris, go go ahead, do your thing, do
Speaker 2: what you want to do, don't worry about me to
Speaker 2: help with me, go ahead and do it. And you
Speaker 2: were just like, no, we're on here.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Folks like like he no, he agreed to like produce
Speaker 6: my show and put it out on his channel, which
Speaker 6: you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't how do I put this?
Speaker 4: Like he put up with insanity that he didn't have to,
Speaker 4: and I it was one of the worst things that
Speaker 4: I ever did, like in.
Speaker 3: My adult life. Bad.
Speaker 5: Look you know what I written out. Honestly, it's okay,
Speaker 5: one of the worst things.
Speaker 4: And ever since then, everything that's happened to me, Like,
Speaker 4: I've thought about this, like for a long time, because
Speaker 4: this is like going back like a year and a half,
Speaker 4: two years ago.
Speaker 5: Almost, and.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to figure out a way to make
Speaker 4: it up to Chuck o'chelly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you don't have to do that.
Speaker 4: The thing that bothers me that a person has to
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But here's the thing, man, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: bluntly and right right here in front of everybody as
Speaker 2: best I can.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put this out the way it is. And
Speaker 2: it's just I'm sorry, I'm laughing at some of this.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to. I have to laugh because I can't.
Speaker 2: I was, well, it's it's kind of funny because realize
Speaker 2: this is again just because we're playing like Marty McFly clips,
Speaker 2: you know, from.
Speaker 5: Back to the Future, which is some of my favorite stuff.
Speaker 2: And he's so pissed at me that that he can't
Speaker 2: even do his show and he's just forget it. He's
Speaker 2: just angry because I said, are you sure you want
Speaker 2: all these clips?
Speaker 3: That's how it started. It was just I don't know
Speaker 3: how I became the bad guy.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I can't justify what I was saying. I can't.
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay, it's just to me. It's the
Speaker 2: funniest thing because it was, like I swear, I felt
Speaker 2: like there was no way, no way for me to win.
Speaker 2: And then it got weirder after that because the show's over, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: we cut it off, and uh, I don't know. And
Speaker 2: then you got mad at me and started tweeting all
Speaker 2: kinds of crazy stuff and I was just like wow,
Speaker 2: like I don't know what to say, Like, well, just
Speaker 2: let me let me ask you this question because you
Speaker 2: mentioned alcohol. Were you drinking when you were tweeting the
Speaker 2: stuff about.
Speaker 3: Okay, well that makes more sense.
Speaker 4: I was drinking, But that's that's not an excuse to
Speaker 4: go against like one of your best budds.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not I'm not trying to make an excuse.
Speaker 4: I was just asking, just saying the mindset, like was
Speaker 4: not the mindset if.
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like when someone goes to drink and then they
Speaker 4: go and do something very public, it's not an excuse
Speaker 4: like you fucking made. You made the decision to put
Speaker 4: yourself out there in whatever state of mind, whether you're
Speaker 4: smoking weed, you're doing trooms, drinking whatever. You as a
Speaker 4: fully formed adult, made a decision to present yourself in
Speaker 4: a certain way.
Speaker 5: You can't take that back.
Speaker 3: But is this where everything starts unraveled though? Or did it?
Speaker 2: Or because it looked like there was a transition over
Speaker 2: to some other places and I thought everything was gonna
Speaker 2: be okay, you know, not necessarily suicidal.
Speaker 4: I was, And not to give Bob Wilson credence because
Speaker 4: when him and I were arguing, when you weren't, I
Speaker 4: wasn't talking about suicide.
Speaker 5: I was just kissed at Bob Wilson.
Speaker 4: So now when you look back, oh yeah, he you know,
Speaker 4: he got you locked out and everything. Yeah, how can
Speaker 4: you argue against you know, oh yeah, you know. But
Speaker 4: the stuff that was going on in my life, my situation,
Speaker 4: my living situation. You know, how can you justify what
Speaker 4: your actions are, what you say.
Speaker 5: And you really can't.
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing, Like, on the one hand,
Speaker 2: people want you to share what's going on in your life, right,
Speaker 2: but on the other hand, you got to kind of
Speaker 2: put up a firewall because you can't give him everything
Speaker 2: because if you do one way or another, people use
Speaker 2: it against you, you know, And this is always the
Speaker 2: problem with even being just minor in the public's view
Speaker 2: at all. You know, you get you get ten people
Speaker 2: listening to you, and that's the end of it, because
Speaker 2: guaranteed at least one of them hates your guts and
Speaker 2: is looking to take you apart. And they're listening to
Speaker 2: you all the time, and they just want to take
Speaker 2: you down. And I don't know what it's about, but
Speaker 2: they do. And I've experienced quite a bit now, well,
Speaker 2: I've never see that's the weird. Like I have been
Speaker 2: a faithful listener to people's I've been a faithful watcher
Speaker 2: of you know, different things that people have created for
Speaker 2: one reason or another. And I've never had the urge
Speaker 2: to like watch somebody and like hate watch them where
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Like even though when I when I.
Speaker 2: Would watch the news, it was making me nuts for
Speaker 2: a little bit because like I was watching the Don
Speaker 2: Lemon Show, and I started saying, look, it's like a
Speaker 2: game show.
Speaker 3: It's like how racist is it is?
Speaker 2: One hour and then the other hour is let's do
Speaker 2: the break bunch split screen and argue about Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And that was his format. And I was watching it
Speaker 2: to just get to observe what's going on in one
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 3: Major media outlets.
Speaker 2: But I never had the urge to be like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna go after Don Lemon.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do that. Like I and I
Speaker 2: know other people are like, oh, you know what, I've
Speaker 2: heard terrible things though he's actually people made accusations against him.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to repeat some of the weird
Speaker 2: stuff people have tried to say that he did because.
Speaker 3: I don't know how true it is. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I try not to repeat things that I think are
Speaker 2: just crap unless I go, look, this is a rumor,
Speaker 2: this is crap going around, and I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: But but I've never had this urge to watch something
Speaker 2: or to continuously listen to something and then go, I
Speaker 2: gotta take this presenter down. I gotta I gotta go
Speaker 2: after this actor. I got to go after this broadcaster.
Speaker 2: I gotta go after this news guy. I've never done that.
Speaker 2: And even even when I turned away, like you know,
Speaker 2: I'll admit it, for a little while, I was an
Speaker 2: Alex Jones listener, right, for a little while. I mean,
Speaker 2: almost anybody who delves into this stuff at some point
Speaker 2: in our in our generational span here from a extra
Speaker 2: to millennial, would would have to say, you know, Alex Jones,
Speaker 2: at some point they were listening to.
Speaker 5: Him, right.
Speaker 2: So the thing is I was listening to And even
Speaker 2: though I goof on him and I see what he
Speaker 2: is now, I'm not like actively trying to take him down.
Speaker 3: Personally, you know, Like I just I don't know what
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 2: Like, Like even I wasn't necessarily comfortable with when his
Speaker 2: his ex wife was going out on radio shows for
Speaker 2: a little bit. I almost went and got her, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I didn't because I was just like, you
Speaker 2: know what, it sounds to me like she's arguing personal
Speaker 2: issues with Alex. Yeah, and like I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to go after Alex personally because he never
Speaker 2: personally harmed me, even though he did damage this stuff
Speaker 2: that I was involved in and uh and I got
Speaker 2: kicked off a South Carolina radio station because of them.
Speaker 2: But but still that was a business thing, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's just business, never personal.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, not a big deal. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, like if you're just a at.
Speaker 3: Least this is the way it used to be.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it still is because everybody and
Speaker 2: their mother got a podcast now. But the thing is,
Speaker 2: if you were a podcaster for a little while, you
Speaker 2: guaranteed got you some hate listeners who wanted to go
Speaker 2: after you personally. So if you uttered the wrong thing
Speaker 2: or somehow expose your kids out there too much something
Speaker 2: like that, they go after your kids, They go after
Speaker 2: your your your love life. They go after you know,
Speaker 2: you were drunk in a.
Speaker 3: Bar two years ago.
Speaker 2: They dig up your your police records, they.
Speaker 5: You know, and I have I have that now, Chuck. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Like I could.
Speaker 4: I could go on and try to do a bunch
Speaker 4: of podcasts right now, and I just feel like it's
Speaker 4: all going to get destroyed.
Speaker 5: I do, I really do because.
Speaker 4: There's people out there that don't think I was ever
Speaker 4: in a car accident which is on record, and I'm
Speaker 4: still dealing with that record.
Speaker 2: Well, I guarantee you that if they did a little research,
Speaker 2: they could they could get the police reports.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, it's public record.
Speaker 2: You know, there's got to be an accident report because
Speaker 2: I saw the picture of that car, So there's definitely
Speaker 2: an accident report.
Speaker 7: People that don't think that that was like attributed to
Speaker 7: the accident which a friend of mine, Eric, he came
Speaker 7: down and he brought me to the car to try
Speaker 7: to get my license in all the cards that were
Speaker 7: my wallet.
Speaker 5: But how am I supposed to combat that now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't want to lose that stuff. I
Speaker 2: got to tell you because because right now, because I
Speaker 2: don't have a valid government ID, I'm locked out of
Speaker 2: my Facebook. I've got all kinds of things I can't
Speaker 2: do because I don't have an ID. And yeah, Facebook
Speaker 2: will not let me back into Chuck O'Kelly or the
Speaker 2: Ocelli effect or any of the stuff on Facebook until
Speaker 2: I show them a government ID. And I uploaded to
Speaker 2: them a brand new one because my old one is
Speaker 2: no good.
Speaker 5: So I can't find her. They want to reinstate my license.
Speaker 4: Five hundred dollars, right, and I'm sitting here in the
Speaker 4: trailer and I'm not able to do anything now.
Speaker 2: The only thing you're going to be able to do
Speaker 2: first probably is go get just like a dmv ID
Speaker 2: and to do Yeah, they'll issue you one of those,
Speaker 2: and I mean as a handicapped person. In some states,
Speaker 2: if you're handicapped, they'll they'll give it to you for
Speaker 2: cheap or free. But even in places where you got
Speaker 2: to pay for it, you know, it might be twenty
Speaker 2: bucks something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be thirty twenty five three dollars.
Speaker 2: Okay, well yeah, well again that's Massachusetts, so it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a little more expensive, right right.
Speaker 4: The thing like I I have to I've been trying
Speaker 4: to get a disability lawyer for my.
Speaker 5: Lower back, right.
Speaker 4: I when they when Boston Medical Center kicked me out,
Speaker 4: I wasn't able to bring my back brace, so my
Speaker 4: lower back wasn't able to heal the way it was
Speaker 4: supposed to do.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to find a doctor and get re
Speaker 2: evaluated and then present that stuff to disabilities.
Speaker 3: What you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm trying to do right now.
Speaker 4: And I feel like I got people that I considered
Speaker 4: like friends in mine for the last three years that
Speaker 4: I think I just I was making up the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll talk to my a couple of my family
Speaker 5: members that are in the area, and it's like, how
Speaker 5: do you all these people that I consider friends? Do
Speaker 5: they think I made the whole thing up?
Speaker 2: Well, I know you didn't make the whole thing up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's like, how do you prove that?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 8: They even were the same people that were sending me
Speaker 8: like a phone like to the hospital, and now it's
Speaker 8: like I don't have any way to like, how am
Speaker 8: I supposed to like prove that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: I don't mean to get emotional, but it's like I've
Speaker 8: been in hell for the last like two months.
Speaker 2: But look, man, I don't I don't feel good about
Speaker 2: where this is going. I don't want you to have
Speaker 2: to break down over this stuff I was.
Speaker 5: Sorry to do. It's just my everyday life. I don't
Speaker 5: want to do. No.
Speaker 2: I understand this. I understand where you're at. I just yeah,
Speaker 2: I understand where you're at.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Look I wish I had a.
Speaker 2: Solution for you on this, I really do, but it's
Speaker 2: so impossible. You know, once people decide something about you
Speaker 2: and you know.
Speaker 5: You're, yeah, your credibility is out the window and.
Speaker 3: And you know, here, here's the thing, like, and I'm
Speaker 3: not trying.
Speaker 2: To be mean, but understand what you're thinking. Well, just
Speaker 2: understand that, you know, if you acted out in certain
Speaker 2: ways in the past with people, right, they might see that.
Speaker 2: You know what, you can't necessarily trust everything that comes
Speaker 2: out of him because he said things in the past
Speaker 2: or whatever alcohol or you know, or maybe he.
Speaker 3: Was And that's the thing, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know all of your interactions with these
Speaker 2: people that are that are turning on you. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I can only speak for myself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And you know, and I feel bad because it's like
Speaker 2: I I wish, I wish I could help everybody.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But but frankly, I don't have the ability to do
Speaker 2: much for you except tell you that you know, you
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta let go that which is not on
Speaker 2: your side and just work with what you got. And
Speaker 2: I know sometimes it's not a lot. And believe me,
Speaker 2: I've been there. Yeah, you know, I I've had to
Speaker 2: reckon recently with the idea that you know, pretty much
Speaker 2: outside of the people that I connect with on the internet,
Speaker 2: right uh, you know, all I've got in my adult
Speaker 2: life is Kim.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: I've got no connection to anybody. I don't have friends
Speaker 2: in the area. I don't see people, really, I mean,
Speaker 2: I see random strangers on the street or whatever. But
Speaker 2: I don't have friends. I don't have family connections. I
Speaker 2: got nothing.
Speaker 4: So and I'm I'm I'm at the same place that
Speaker 4: you're in.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the only the only advantage I have over you
Speaker 2: right now is I've got a partner. But I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: it's it's a very very tenuous thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like your whole hold on anything outside of yourself
Speaker 2: in life is just one other person.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And I tried to build up I excuse me, I
Speaker 4: tried to build up like the podcast thing in the
Speaker 4: last three years. And now I noticed that a lot
Speaker 4: of the people that I considered like really good friends
Speaker 4: are gone now because they think I'm full of shit.
Speaker 4: And that's another reason why with the podcast stuff, I'm
Speaker 4: kind of done with it because.
Speaker 5: All I'm going to get in like the comments.
Speaker 4: Section or whatever is that oh, you're full of shit,
Speaker 4: and and I can't bring myself to read that. Maybe
Speaker 4: it's just too much of a pussy, but I just
Speaker 4: can't like all the stuff that like right now, and
Speaker 4: like I don't have any pain meds for my lower
Speaker 4: back or whatever, and I'm just gonna get comments from
Speaker 4: people saying, you know, you're full of shit, you know,
Speaker 4: like you never had an accident. It's like, how am
Speaker 4: I supposed to combat that kind of thing? What you
Speaker 4: were just saying, yes, like ten minutes, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: But like what I'm saying to you is, look, you
Speaker 2: gotta unfortunately, you gotta.
Speaker 3: Let go of it because it's just yeah, people.
Speaker 2: That are not on your side are not on your side,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're gonna they're gonna make their choices
Speaker 2: just like you made yours. And I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but that that is what sucks about this, right is
Speaker 2: that you're you're gonna make almost no friends doing this,
Speaker 2: you know, and the ones that you do, you never
Speaker 2: know how long you're gonna hang on to them for.
Speaker 4: But Chuck, just if if I can ask you this,
Speaker 4: if I were to continue trying to do shows and
Speaker 4: things like that, like what do I do? Like, like
Speaker 4: what do I do? Because I have a lot of
Speaker 4: ideas for shows. But now I got this whole contingent
Speaker 4: of people that are going to think that I'm just
Speaker 4: making it up.
Speaker 2: Well, I wish I had a good suggestion for you,
Speaker 2: because the fact is that if you're gonna get really
Speaker 2: upset about people attacking you, they're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: But they're only going to do it just so long.
Speaker 2: You know, most of the people that have come after
Speaker 2: me for this or that, or tried to, you know,
Speaker 2: personally harass me out of doing what I'm doing, they.
Speaker 3: Eventually go away. They fall away.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I've been doing this now about twelve years. And the
Speaker 2: thing is, from the beginning, it started with like I said,
Speaker 2: as soon as you got like ten people listening, guaranteed
Speaker 2: at least one of them hate you. Okay, I'm just
Speaker 2: telling you, And they'll use anything against you.
Speaker 3: That they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what I'll tell you is that if you've
Speaker 2: decided that you don't want to deal with that, then
Speaker 2: don't you know you can do anything with your life
Speaker 2: you choose to do. I know that there's limitations right now.
Speaker 2: And believe me, I've dealt with limitations my whole life,
Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, I can't get access to this,
Speaker 2: I can't get access to that. I don't have you know,
Speaker 2: and nobody ever backs me. It's always you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: like I said, outside of outside of Kim, I have
Speaker 2: really not had anybody.
Speaker 3: Back me, right, you know. So that's it.
Speaker 2: That's all I got, and I have to either live
Speaker 2: with that or not. And if I can't, then.
Speaker 3: I won't do this anymore.
Speaker 2: And you know what, when that comes, and it will
Speaker 2: come eventually, I mean, at some point I'm gonna stop
Speaker 2: doing this.
Speaker 3: I'll drop the dead or something, you know.
Speaker 4: You know when you have the hit Tricker's Guide to
Speaker 4: the jfk assassination.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've got most of that written and
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to do with it at
Speaker 2: this point. I mean, I'm really questioning a lot of
Speaker 2: things personally too going forward, and not for the same
Speaker 2: reasons as you. I didn't go through a car accident,
Speaker 2: but I went through this weird mystery illness, which is
Speaker 2: funny because it actually happened around the same time that
Speaker 2: things happened with you. I come back from Dallas, right,
Speaker 2: and I felt kind of sick, and I said to myself, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, I just got exposed to people from
Speaker 2: all over the country, and you know, some people from
Speaker 2: other countries, maybe who you know, probably you know, gave
Speaker 2: me some germs.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm not even necessarily saying I believe in germ theory.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, Look, I got exposed to people who
Speaker 2: God knows what they were carrying or shedding or whatever.
Speaker 2: And at first I even thought maybe I was just
Speaker 2: dealing with the shedding of the you know, of the
Speaker 2: COVID vacs, right, But whatever it was, I started getting sick.
Speaker 2: And then I got really really sick in December, like
Speaker 2: right away, and I was knocked down for weeks, and
Speaker 2: I kept trying to get back on the air, and
Speaker 2: I kept trying to I could not organize my mind.
Speaker 2: I couldn't hardly get out of bed, and I didn't
Speaker 2: eat for weeks. I could not eat, I couldn't hold
Speaker 2: down anything.
Speaker 4: And I think it was one of the new strains.
Speaker 2: I god, well, see, here's the bad thing. I went
Speaker 2: to a hospital at one point and they were stumped.
Speaker 2: They were trying to find bird flu. They were trying
Speaker 2: to find COVID. They were, and you know what, they
Speaker 2: found nothing. They're sitting there going, we don't know what's
Speaker 2: wrong with you, right, and you know, and meanwhile, I
Speaker 2: don't have the money to pay this, you know, all
Speaker 2: all this credit like, it's not like I can go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go see five doctors afterwards.
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna happen. So right with, the best I could.
Speaker 2: Get was they call it the coliseum over here. I
Speaker 2: forget what the technical medical term is for the hospital.
Speaker 2: Even I forget now because I actually haven't gotten the
Speaker 2: bills yet, which is strange. They haven't sent me to bills.
Speaker 5: So I got a bill for two hundred and nineteen
Speaker 5: thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: See, I'm sure they're putting one of those together for me,
Speaker 2: because I was in there a bit. But but I
Speaker 2: don't know what, you know, at some point I'll probably
Speaker 2: see it, like next month or something where it'll.
Speaker 3: Just show up.
Speaker 2: But the point is that, h they couldn't figure it out,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, basically, Kim just dragged me home
Speaker 2: and started, uh you know, feeding me capfuls of gator
Speaker 2: ray just to try and keep me going.
Speaker 3: Uh, And I was out of it. Man.
Speaker 2: I could not function at all, and I wasn't sleeping either.
Speaker 2: I was just kind of like in a zombifide kind
Speaker 2: of state. And I have no idea what was going
Speaker 2: I really thought I was about ready to kick is
Speaker 2: what was going on? Because even I, like, for years,
Speaker 2: I have drank and everybody people know this about me,
Speaker 2: and they make fun of me sometimes I drink soda.
Speaker 2: For years, I've always drank lots of soda and lots
Speaker 2: of caffeinated soda. I drink lots of caffeine in general.
Speaker 2: But I couldn't hold down the soda, and so I
Speaker 2: didn't drink soda for a while because it just wouldn't
Speaker 2: stay down. Because if I tried to, all I did
Speaker 2: is is throwback up foam, yeah, which was kind of pointless,
Speaker 2: you know, and any little bit of food, like if
Speaker 2: I tried to eat a cracker, forget, it came right
Speaker 2: back up.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what was going on.
Speaker 2: It was like my body was rejecting everything and I
Speaker 2: was just ill. And like I said, they tried to
Speaker 2: find COVID, they tried to find bird flu and they
Speaker 2: got negative tests.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what hit me even.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I and even Kim thought I
Speaker 2: was about ready to check out because I was just
Speaker 2: that out of it and I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was like, is did I have a stroke?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I really was that far out.
Speaker 5: Of it.
Speaker 3: And I've had neurological issues.
Speaker 5: So what did they tell you for aftercare? If you asking?
Speaker 3: They did not.
Speaker 2: All they said is to keep me hydrated, and you know,
Speaker 2: pretty much eventually I'll be able to keep food down.
Speaker 3: That that was their whole aftercare. Nothing. That's what I'm
Speaker 3: telling you. They were stumped. I don't even know. That's
Speaker 3: why I'm saying, I don't even know if they're gonna
Speaker 3: send me a bill.
Speaker 2: Maybe they won't, you know, but I mean normally they
Speaker 2: would anyway, regardless even if they do nothing, they give
Speaker 2: you a freaking aspiren they send you two hundred dollars bill,
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but so far I haven't received it.
Speaker 4: Just saying, yeah, I don't know what to make of this.
Speaker 2: And like I said, during that time, I know you
Speaker 2: were you were in there because I tried to call
Speaker 2: you and they wouldn't put me through. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got the right floor, I got the right nurse,
Speaker 2: but you know, and I went through their switchboard, so
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't like, you know, your buddy's phone
Speaker 2: or something, so.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: The thing now, like now it's like I don't know
Speaker 4: how to prove that I was in there are not like.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I like I said, I wouldn't spend my
Speaker 2: time doing battle with this stuff.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, I don't have the energies.
Speaker 2: I'm like, literally, well, and you got to get yourself together.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It sounds like to me like, look, you're suffering right now,
Speaker 2: and you got to focus on that, and you gotta
Speaker 2: find a way out of.
Speaker 3: That one way or another. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm not suggesting chemical solutions. I'm not suggesting
Speaker 2: that you can do things that you don't have money
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: But there's got to be a way out of it.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, I wish I had the solution for you,
Speaker 2: but I didn't even know what to do with myself
Speaker 2: when I was sitting here sick. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: there was you know, nobody seemed to miss me all
Speaker 2: that much when I stopped doing my show, So you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, what happened to that? I mean, I
Speaker 2: had one or two people that care.
Speaker 5: I missed you this whole time, my friend, right, I
Speaker 5: treated you like garbage, and I'm very I'm very for that. Well, look, no,
Speaker 5: I really am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, I don't. I don't hold
Speaker 3: it against you, all right.
Speaker 5: I really do.
Speaker 4: I can't explain like the mental stuff like anyone out there,
Speaker 4: check o'chilly is a great producer, and.
Speaker 5: I'm just a very flawed person. And I never meant
Speaker 5: for what happened to happen.
Speaker 3: All right, Look, I'll tell you what. Let's leave it.
Speaker 2: Let's leave it off here, Chris, because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't hold this against you, okay, And and I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't need apologies or nothing.
Speaker 2: I just you know what, I want you to know
Speaker 2: that though I appreciate it, and and I want you
Speaker 2: to know that I hope that whatever you decide to
Speaker 2: do in the future, that you excel at. I hope
Speaker 2: that you you you have a future in front of you.
Speaker 3: You just got to decide what to do with.
Speaker 2: It, Okay. And I can't make those decisions for you.
Speaker 2: I can't make those suggestions for you. I wish I could,
Speaker 2: you know, but if I felt competent to solve my
Speaker 2: own future questions, then I would. I would probably tell
Speaker 2: you something, but I can't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So look, I want to leave this off here. Obviously
Speaker 2: we're not promoting anything today. You can go get the
Speaker 2: TNP feed still has your stuff on it, doesn't it
Speaker 2: or did they take that down?
Speaker 5: They still have it on there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, look if people go and search out get
Speaker 2: Mad with Chris Graves or digging Chris Graves, he's got
Speaker 2: a couple of things out there on the TNP feed.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's still up on the Rumble channel and
Speaker 2: things like that. I'm pretty sure you can search it there.
Speaker 2: I know a bunch of us got perched from Rock Fin,
Speaker 2: so I don't think you're up on there anymore or whatever.
Speaker 5: But yeah, a lot of my shows are gone now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Rock Finn ditched a bunch of us apparently.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Weezy America Unplugged.
Speaker 2: And Corbett Report and my show and yeah, so you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, uh, but you might be able to
Speaker 2: find Chris on Rumble still and I know I put
Speaker 2: out some videos with this stuff. I I don't know
Speaker 2: where they are if they still exist, because a lot
Speaker 2: of my stuff got knocked down, but but you can
Speaker 2: find it out there. And again, we're not doing this
Speaker 2: to promote anything. I just wanted to have a conversation
Speaker 2: with Chris and be like, look, you know what.
Speaker 3: I hope that you.
Speaker 2: Know they're going forward, You're you're gonna be able to
Speaker 2: to succeed. It's cool, man, Look I love you too.
Speaker 2: I always wanted to I. Yeah, well, you know what
Speaker 2: we all are. You know what I'm saying. I I
Speaker 2: know that I'm rather flawed as well. That's why again
Speaker 2: I don't even blame you. It's just I I didn't
Speaker 2: understand what was happening, though. I gotta be honest with you,
Speaker 2: and that's why I'm laughing earlier at it, because I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't I can't do anything else with it at
Speaker 2: this point because I still don't quite understand exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: It just was weird and things.
Speaker 5: Really it was my situation at the time.
Speaker 2: Well, look, things happen, and hopefully at least some of
Speaker 2: that has improved. You know, whatever was going on then
Speaker 2: I hope you're doing better off of that. I hope
Speaker 2: you're doing better outside of the fact that I know
Speaker 2: you're suffering at the moment. I hope you're in a
Speaker 2: better place than you were.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 5: I'm trying trying.
Speaker 2: Well, look, man, that's all we all can do every
Speaker 2: single day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm gonna leave it at that, guys, And uh,
Speaker 2: I'll put this out as is, not going to edit
Speaker 2: it or anything.
Speaker 3: It just is as it is. And uh, you know what,
Speaker 3: I want to thank you for coming on and doing
Speaker 3: this with me.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I'd love to see you do
Speaker 2: some stuff in the future, but I can't tell you
Speaker 2: what to do.
Speaker 4: I just I'm not sure because of all the craft
Speaker 4: surrounding the accident and all that.
Speaker 3: You never know, you could change your name.
Speaker 5: Right, because I have a lot, I know, I have
Speaker 5: a lot to offer. It's just you know, the conspiracy
Speaker 5: theorist guy. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can do something else and make Chris your
Speaker 2: last name, right, and then use your middle name as
Speaker 2: your first name or something like that, you know, switch
Speaker 2: it around.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna try, yeah, switch.
Speaker 2: Around, after all, Jack blood is not you know, that's
Speaker 2: not his name.
Speaker 4: I know. Yeah, I just want you to know that
Speaker 4: he would you taking the time to.
Speaker 5: To talk to me and my all, my ship, my
Speaker 5: bullshit right now.
Speaker 2: Look, man's if it's the least I can do, it's
Speaker 2: the least I can do.
Speaker 3: But I I really heard thinks.
Speaker 5: Man. You're a good man. You're a good man.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I I I just hope that things improve
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: That's all for you guys listening, We're gonna leave it
Speaker 2: at that. I'm just gonna cut this all right.
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