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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to the Heat Check, episode number thirty two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Nathan Graham. The format is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit different today. Instead of going down

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<v Speaker 1>the minor league ladder like usual, I've invited some members

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<v Speaker 1>of the prospect team at Baseball Perspectives to join me

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to discuss some of the players that

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<v Speaker 1>have caught our attention so far in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>So joining me today our old friends Ben Spanier, Eli Walsh,

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<v Speaker 1>and also a little bit later in the show, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to check in on some names you should know

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<v Speaker 1>for the upcoming draft, and for that we will be

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<v Speaker 1>talking to BP newcomer Liam Murphy. So let's jump right in,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to find out who you've seen this

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<v Speaker 1>year that stood out for me. I cover the Midwest

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<v Speaker 1>League and I feel like the talent levels down a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit there this year. But for me so far

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<v Speaker 1>this year, it's been Red's catching prospect Alfred of Duno,

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<v Speaker 1>who stands out as the top talent in the league. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna start with Ben, and Ben, you've been the

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<v Speaker 1>hardest working man on the staff covering all the White

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<v Speaker 1>Sox recent call ups. You've been really busy and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of talent down in your area. Ben,

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<v Speaker 1>you cover both the Caroline and the Sally League. Who's

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<v Speaker 1>the top bat you've seen this season?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, thank you for the introduction. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a great day, not only for the White

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<v Speaker 2>Sox major league team apparently, but they you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some minor league development going on, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>later guys I'm gonna mention is maybe a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a less herald of guy they've had working. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>both my local teams, Winston Salem Dash and the Greensboro

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<v Speaker 2>Grasshoppers in the Sally League, they have both had really.

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<v Speaker 3>Good lineups this year. So I have been lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a hitter and a pitcher because I happened

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<v Speaker 2>to be fortunate with the timing here. Linton Blue Rocks

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<v Speaker 2>were in town hya with the Nationals and Eli Willitts

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<v Speaker 2>just got called up, and you know, he'd had a

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<v Speaker 2>good first couple of months at Fredericksberg, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew, of course, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, straft status, he really needs no introduction.

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<v Speaker 2>So but you know, I hadn't I hadn't had the

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<v Speaker 2>idea his skill set would be that flashy or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and you know in the end that is

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<v Speaker 3>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say, you know, the first thing you

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<v Speaker 2>think when you see him as man, that guy's not

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<v Speaker 2>not very big, and I don't really think he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get that much bigger. But and you know, he is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a sum of you know, the sum of his

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<v Speaker 2>parts is more than the individual parts kind of player.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean that in a lat of tory.

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<v Speaker 2>Way in this case because if you know, if he's

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<v Speaker 2>above average to plus in the particular areas that I

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<v Speaker 2>think he will be, you know, he's a star because

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<v Speaker 2>he's quite a good defensive short stole up, very advanced,

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<v Speaker 2>good range, really soft hands, just making all the plays.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing I think in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Field that may not be plus is his arm, and

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<v Speaker 2>I still think that's above average. You know at the plate,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think his raw powers gonna be that crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I'm just was kind of blown away.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's eighteen years old the first week in

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<v Speaker 2>Hya and you know, he's just got a great command

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<v Speaker 2>of the zone. He has an early count approach and

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<v Speaker 2>a later count approach. So I've seen him kind of

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<v Speaker 2>slap the ball the other way. But also he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Playing in.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a for hitters hitting friendly park Greensboro.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, famously, if I have anything to say about it,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do mention it all the time, it actually

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<v Speaker 2>scouting a little bit harder. He really makes. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's another kind of thing you have to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, he is really good at jumping on

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes and sort of yanking them over the right field

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<v Speaker 2>wall from the left side of the place switch hitter.

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<v Speaker 2>I know more about his lefty hitting simply because I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen more of its lefty hitting. But like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bad breaking balls, bad fastballs. It's just like he knows

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<v Speaker 2>the wall is right there, and you know, he's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna jump on this and hit it out. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like it's not like a hugely like twitchy

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<v Speaker 2>bat or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like his hands are very.

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<v Speaker 2>Good and then he just like guides them to the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it just seems that part of the

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<v Speaker 2>game seems pretty easy for him. So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, you know it, I think his game

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be better than his raw power.

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<v Speaker 3>Say he gets to like twenty home runs, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I think he might have a plus hit tool too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very fraught, as we all know, trying to project

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<v Speaker 2>a plus hit tool for any minor leaguer anywhere. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's quite young and he's very advanced, so sticking a

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<v Speaker 2>short stop. I mean, you know, even if his overall

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<v Speaker 2>numbers are not like massive, I think he could be

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<v Speaker 2>considered a star player essentially, you know, filling.

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<v Speaker 3>Up all the categories.

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<v Speaker 2>And just, real quick, another guy who doesn't need introduction,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a picture too, real.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick, before we get to that one, Ben, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a quick question for you. So, so Jared did a

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<v Speaker 1>piece for us this week at VP and he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of laid out some of the possible names that we

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<v Speaker 1>might see at fifty and Willis was mentioned. The power

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<v Speaker 1>is starting to show up a little bit earlier. You

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of talked on that. Yeah, are you ready

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<v Speaker 1>to put him ahead of Jesus made ear Leo Devrees?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I know more about Moday firsthand, and Degrees

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<v Speaker 2>because I have seen made play done a little more

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<v Speaker 2>work on him. It's funny because in some ways, will

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<v Speaker 2>It is a little bit similar to Maday, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not being a huge guy, middle infielder, my gut feeling

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<v Speaker 2>on that is that without looking at a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>deeper stuff, is that maybe I moday is just something

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<v Speaker 2>about him where I think maybe it's upsides higher. But

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel more confident that Will it is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, it's gonna get, you know, has half

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<v Speaker 2>a higher floor. But I think that they're they're both

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<v Speaker 2>quite They're just at their ages respectively, they're both quite advanced,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think they're quite similar. And honestly, it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those times where I'm happy that Jarret and Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 2>are deciding that Debreez is a hard one. That's one

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<v Speaker 2>where some of you guys have seen him and not me.

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<v Speaker 2>He might end up being higher, maybe just because I

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<v Speaker 2>think his outside is so great. But you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things where I I actually didn't read

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<v Speaker 2>Jared's piece because I didn't want to be like biased,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because I'm going to see Willis a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course I'm gonna read it after this since

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<v Speaker 2>I'm filing my reports today. But like, I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>in the conversation basically, and and he's interesting because I

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<v Speaker 2>do think he's similar to Made in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>and and he's quite different from Debrees, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's in the conversation though for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, definitely, And I've got to admit i'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little I'm a little bit jealous, Ben when you gave

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<v Speaker 1>me the names. Not only do you have Willits in

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<v Speaker 1>your coverage era, you also recently got to see Seth Fernandez. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was utterly dominant at Low Way. I know

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<v Speaker 1>both of us do the minor league update, and I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got sick to put them in there. Just

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like every start there he was again. But he

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<v Speaker 1>stumbled a little bit in Greensboro. Tell me what you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's funny. I think the phrase I

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<v Speaker 2>used and I didn't really know how to write the

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<v Speaker 2>ten pack. I kind of procrastinated on it for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks because I see him a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>times and I was just like, Okay, everybody knows who

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<v Speaker 2>this dude is and what is stuff is like because

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<v Speaker 2>the data from the Florida State League is public, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know he's got a fastball that has characteristics

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<v Speaker 2>or should be you know, maybe a seven, you know

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<v Speaker 2>at least, and you know he's got three breaking pitches

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<v Speaker 2>that the wiff rates he was running in the FSL

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<v Speaker 2>were crazy, you know, I mean, you knew that wouldn't continue.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just he's a high school guy, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was just too advanced for low A clearly, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>come up and something I've been a little surprised. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't be surprised. I mean at his age, is

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, he spraised the fastball around a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's quite athletic on the mound. He's really

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like what you wanted to look like in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of body and I think delivery. Though I have

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<v Speaker 2>to admit I haven't really slowed down the video and

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<v Speaker 2>looked for little flaws or anything. There's probably some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>he's working on, but you know, he hasn't really located

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<v Speaker 2>his fastball. He's been ambushed on a couple and I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if it's made him wonder Like the first game

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him, he was against Winston and a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of their lefty hitters.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, Greensboro's got short walls, and he had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fastball that wasn't high enough. You know, it was more

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<v Speaker 2>middle than up. Because his fastball will play up in

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<v Speaker 2>the zone, and you know, he got ambushed, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know he's been walking guys. He's been walking a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more guys. So that's the main thing. I will say.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got three usable secondaries already, which to me is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty advanced. To compare him, say to now, his fastball

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<v Speaker 2>is in the same category roughly. I saw Bubba Chandler

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<v Speaker 2>a few years ago. Yep, secondaries are more advanced the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the year in Greensboro. Bubba actually had a

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<v Speaker 2>really hard time in the first half of the year

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<v Speaker 2>in Greensboro a couple of years ago at a similar age.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, and and he's he's having his issues

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<v Speaker 2>in the major leagues too, but he's quite talented and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and and all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of where it's going to go next. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember you. I don't think you saw Skemes, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know you saw a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>bubb with Chandler and Jared Jones. Ye. Compared to those

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<v Speaker 1>other two where we ranked Hernandez.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he would be higher because secondaries are better, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and at a younger age. And you know the thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying. It's hard for me still to suss out

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<v Speaker 2>which ones will be plus and which ones are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be more above average ish right average to above, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's some games where he throws that change up a

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<v Speaker 2>lot and it's okay, but it's not like the movement's

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<v Speaker 2>not it's not a great pitch yet. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>has the curve ball, which has a lot of movement

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<v Speaker 2>when he throws it, well, you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of vertical action. But as we know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've you know, our colleagues have talked about

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<v Speaker 2>a good deal some of those up and down curveballs

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes end of not being.

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<v Speaker 3>As effective at higher levels.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's got kind of a hard slider in the

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's able to throw all of them

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<v Speaker 2>Canny get to Canny become a really really high level starter,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and and I, But neither of those other

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<v Speaker 2>I say the ingredients are there. It's may take little.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people were getting really excited at his low

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<v Speaker 2>A performance. I think he's still a high school pitcher

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<v Speaker 2>and it might take a little while longer, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's certainly going to get there. And I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think people saw Skens move so quick

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<v Speaker 1>arm and it's gonna take some time. There's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>On out to the Northwest League and Eli Walsh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>some really interesting bats in the league right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>and forth kind of between Roaldy Brito, Johnny Level and

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<v Speaker 1>Cason Cunningham. Who did you ultimately choose on this one?

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<v Speaker 4>Ela H. Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 5>He was actually just promoted up to UH up to

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<v Speaker 5>Hya earlier this week. And you know, it's a it's

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<v Speaker 5>a hit over power profile. He really tore up the

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<v Speaker 5>league in the you know, forty or so games that

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<v Speaker 5>he played there. Only he only has one hit and

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<v Speaker 5>something like twenty at bats in High A so far.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, we'll give him, give him a minute

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<v Speaker 5>to get up to speed there. But yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Probably doesn't end up there.

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<v Speaker 5>He probably ends up you know, second, maybe a corner

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<v Speaker 5>profile here, and so far it has. You know, he

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<v Speaker 5>I am a little bit skeptical that there's going to

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<v Speaker 4>It's probably going to be you know a lot of doubles.

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<v Speaker 5>and hoping that this is going to be like a

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<v Speaker 5>forty double profile rather than twenty homers, but you know

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<v Speaker 5>he uh, you know, Cunningham was a guy who you know,

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<v Speaker 5>hit while on the Showcase circuit last summer, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>into pro ball, but you know, he's, uh, he's he's

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<v Speaker 5>really hit the ground run in this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he has. I read your Timpac article and just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hearing you talk about him, I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in my head trying to think of maybe a comp.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we don't like to do comps all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but Nico Horner kind of came to my mind. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>second base where he's he's a great defender at second

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<v Speaker 1>base and more of a hit over power. Go is

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<v Speaker 1>that is that a fair comparison or is there someone

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<v Speaker 1>else that kind of reminds you of him?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's fair.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe a bit less speed than Horner, He's probably not

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<v Speaker 5>gonna you know, steal a bunch of bases, and certainly

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<v Speaker 5>not you know, as he as he gets up you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, higher in the minors.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, you know, he's he's just sort of a

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<v Speaker 5>generally athletic type of player. You know, probably also not

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<v Speaker 5>as good defensively as as Horner, but as far as

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<v Speaker 5>the bat is concerned, you know, ability to move it

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<v Speaker 5>around the zone and and just get the bat on

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<v Speaker 5>the ball, not strike out at time. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's pretty fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Great, So those were kind of all players that

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<v Speaker 1>most people that follow prospects all know about. Now we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk a little bit, maybe someone that might

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<v Speaker 1>be a bit under the radar, but someone who won't

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<v Speaker 1>be this time next year. Ben, I'm going to circle

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<v Speaker 1>back to you. You're going to go first, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think your hitter is one that might have done the

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<v Speaker 1>most to improve his prospect stock through the first three

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<v Speaker 1>months of the season, and that's Brave's outfield prospect Derek Cartman,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen years old, and like like Eli Willitts, he's in

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<v Speaker 1>High A as well. Through fifty seven games, Hya he's

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<v Speaker 1>slashing three eleven, three seventy seven six oh one. Been

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<v Speaker 1>tell me more about.

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<v Speaker 2>Harp Yeah, I mean I got to see him in

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<v Speaker 2>late April, and you know, a few weeks, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wasn't really on top of the Braves that much.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a couple guys, you know, they're frankly, they're

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<v Speaker 2>They're Rome teams have have not been great the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years. You know, they're very much, uh a

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<v Speaker 2>top level major league team, and so you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they were a bit of an of an ebb

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<v Speaker 2>in there far, but we know they're a very good

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<v Speaker 2>organization just by what they year after year. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>because of guys like Hartman. You know, I saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>He ended up jumping out to me. I'd known a

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<v Speaker 3>Know, not to get too far ahead. But a few

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<v Speaker 3>weeks later I.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw I'm one of the social media posts places that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a great public side evaluator, Chris Blessing with

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<v Speaker 2>slatting him, and I said, you know what, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>you know we line up this. He think he liked

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<v Speaker 2>me even more than me. I'd like it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay me, and that means I'm doing something right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if Chris was had liked him too, and

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<v Speaker 2>and Chris see a lot of brave people becuse he's

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<v Speaker 2>down in Georgia. But like it's just a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things with him. You know, we talk about cold weather players.

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<v Speaker 2>He is from not only Canada, but he's from like

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<v Speaker 2>this part of Canada that I believe is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like west of North Dakota. I can't remember exactly, but

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up. He's really a cold weather player.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it gets real cold in North Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so these are unscientific things. But guys like him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they didn't play ever all year round, right

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, I knew that he'd made a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of waves in Augusta last year, but I missed Augusta.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see the Carolina League always as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I see the South Atlantic League. And and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing is he's just his power. His power

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<v Speaker 2>is huge. He's a great he's a big guy, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's also a great athlete. He covers center field well,

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<v Speaker 2>he runs the base as well. It's another one where

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<v Speaker 2>it looks right, you know, but I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>it looks right because it is right in some ways.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he just.

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<v Speaker 2>Moves around very well and controls himself very well, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very seamless kind of you can see how that

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<v Speaker 2>athleticism manifests in the field and on the basis, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can see it at the plate because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a swing that's that's quick, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets out in front of the ball well and

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<v Speaker 2>he you know, and he has enough lift that that

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<v Speaker 2>he's able to hit for power.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if this swing will be his final

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<v Speaker 3>swing or not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another thing where you know, he may you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's had such an age where he's doing quite well,

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<v Speaker 2>but still even a couple of months later, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen him recently.

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<v Speaker 3>He may still be adjusting things. I'm not sure. But

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<v Speaker 3>the one thing I mean, maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just it's an interesting swing because it

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how to explain it. It feels unorthodox.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure why to me, But anyway, it works.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been working out for him. And the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>I worried about was I think he has He clearly

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<v Speaker 2>has a lot of power and he has a plan

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<v Speaker 2>of how to get to it and attack at the

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But you know, I I still it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most cliche thing ever to say, And of course it's

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<v Speaker 2>the problem. It's the question you'd rather have than the

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<v Speaker 2>than the inverse. But see, really it gets really good

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<v Speaker 2>breaking stuff. I want to see if he could still

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<v Speaker 2>do it, you know, So for me, a major league profile.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if he could stay in center, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be great, and that would certainly make it for a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty nice path.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, to be the time. But even if he

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<v Speaker 3>has to slide to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Corner outfield, maybe a dude who it's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>home runs and maybe it's for a lower average gets

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that sounds pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what ton of wis guy. I ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>is a what's the defense look like? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna stick in center field? Or is he ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>a corner guy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where I'll I'll i'll alid the question a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit because I didn't I saw a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of video on him on defense, but I didn't catch

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<v Speaker 2>him for a whole week defensively.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what we you know, we both have busy vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>But but but but but you know, we're both out

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<v Speaker 2>there and like, to me, he's at that age where

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<v Speaker 2>I'll still say he's got the athleticism even though he's

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger guy. I think he's got the movements and

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<v Speaker 2>this and the quick jump and all of that where

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<v Speaker 2>I think he can handle it for a for a

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<v Speaker 2>while longer. Now do I know, I don't really, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not totally sure at his current stand you know, his

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<v Speaker 2>current standpoint, how great a defender.

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<v Speaker 3>He is with all the technical aspects.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say keep throwing him out in center

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<v Speaker 2>field until it gets to a point where, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he becomes probably a pretty good corner outfielder,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really good one. So I would I would

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<v Speaker 2>keep rolling with it how they are for now.

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<v Speaker 1>Second question about Hartman here, you know the Braves are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be active at the deadline. Is Hartman untouchable

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<v Speaker 1>or you know every other team's gonna be asking for him?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he one that the Braves refuse to move off

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<v Speaker 1>of or do you think they would entertain the idea?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>You do?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what I do?

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<v Speaker 3>I do think it's one of those where it depends.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it really does depend on what you'd be

422
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<v Speaker 2>getting back right, Definitely, I think I don't work on

423
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<v Speaker 2>them a lot, but I think he's it's either best,

424
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<v Speaker 2>he's probably I mean, can't cam Camminnity's maybe another one,

425
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<v Speaker 2>but but he's up there right.

426
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<v Speaker 1>And oh yeah, I think I think he's kind of

427
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<v Speaker 1>established himself as the top hitter.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, part of it depends. I think this is,

429
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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's hard one because I don't know, are

430
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<v Speaker 2>the Braves that get a team this year. I think

431
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<v Speaker 2>that's like one of those weird debatable things. Clearly, they're

432
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<v Speaker 2>winning the division, so they're a world contender. With how

433
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<v Speaker 2>weird the league is right now, I think there's enough

434
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<v Speaker 2>risk with Hartman that if you got like, I don't

435
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<v Speaker 2>know if i'd want to trig him for like.

436
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<v Speaker 1>A reliever, you know, but if you could get a

437
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<v Speaker 1>top line starter.

438
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<v Speaker 2>I might have to think about it, just because I

439
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<v Speaker 2>think there's still some risk there, you know, with the

440
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<v Speaker 2>hit tool. Like he's one of those guys where he

441
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<v Speaker 2>looks like a natural and he may be a guy who,

442
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<v Speaker 2>you know, because he was cold weather guy is blooming

443
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<v Speaker 2>late and he may just end up being a star, but.

444
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<v Speaker 3>He may not be.

445
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<v Speaker 2>He may be more of a corner outfield kind of

446
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<v Speaker 2>power type, you know. So I think if the right

447
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<v Speaker 2>deal comes along for a really top guy, I mean,

448
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<v Speaker 2>I think you'd have to think about trading him, But

449
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<v Speaker 2>of course you don't. You'd want to avoid that, especially

450
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<v Speaker 2>because their system after years of being quite fruitful had

451
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<v Speaker 2>been a little bit a little sallow, So you know,

452
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<v Speaker 2>that's half answering the question. But I think it would

453
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<v Speaker 2>have to be someone really good.

454
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<v Speaker 3>I know.

455
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<v Speaker 1>I kind of put you on spot there. So I

456
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<v Speaker 1>did mention before though that you've been really busy with

457
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<v Speaker 1>all the White Sox call ups. We know they're top prospects,

458
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<v Speaker 1>but give us someone currently. You kind of teased it

459
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<v Speaker 1>earlier currently at Winston Salem that that we might be

460
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<v Speaker 1>in the conversation for when you do the White Sox

461
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<v Speaker 1>list this winter.

462
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's funny because you never know, well you

463
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<v Speaker 2>try to know with these things, but you never do.

464
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<v Speaker 2>I'll give a guy, I'll mention him briefly, just by

465
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<v Speaker 2>way of introduction of a different guy. You know, Kolbe Shelton,

466
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<v Speaker 2>who was you know, a big college hitter at SEC

467
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<v Speaker 2>who he got off to a really hot start, slow

468
00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.240
<v Speaker 2>start last year in low way, great starting this year.

469
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<v Speaker 2>I wrote him up in a ten pack I think

470
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<v Speaker 2>the same one I did with Hartman, like back in

471
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<v Speaker 2>April or whatever. And he's not been great at Birmingham.

472
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<v Speaker 2>So sometimes he hit double A and he might end

473
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<v Speaker 2>up being good, but sometimes it's a stumbling block there

474
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<v Speaker 2>and what I'm seeing from this guy I'm about to

475
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<v Speaker 2>talk about is similar, though he's got a couple of

476
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<v Speaker 2>other things going for him.

477
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<v Speaker 3>His name is Boston Smith.

478
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<v Speaker 2>He was traded from the Nationals for Curtis Meade, who,

479
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<v Speaker 2>of course, the White Sox traded for last year. Boston

480
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<v Speaker 2>Smith is a college catcher.

481
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<v Speaker 3>He went to.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Wright State, so he went to a pretty small college.

483
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<v Speaker 2>But he was a six round pick last year and

484
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<v Speaker 2>didn't really play much. If I recalled correctly, he's the

485
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<v Speaker 2>guy who's got some pop and I, you know, I've

486
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<v Speaker 2>been fooled before on catchers like this. But whenever a catcher,

487
00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:10.720
<v Speaker 2>he's a lefty hitter, whenever a catcher can really turn

488
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<v Speaker 2>on a pitch, you know, and hit it over the

489
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<v Speaker 2>wall and be kind of excited because at that point,

490
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<v Speaker 2>you know you're a catcher.

491
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<v Speaker 3>He's a catcher, so it catch. He's already getting closer

492
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<v Speaker 3>to the big leagues at that point.

493
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<v Speaker 2>I will admit it is not my number one area

494
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<v Speaker 2>of confidence in my evaluative skills catcher defense. I tend

495
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<v Speaker 2>to lean on some other measurements and things like that.

496
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<v Speaker 2>He's been a decent catcher. I think I don't know

497
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<v Speaker 2>that he's a great defensive catcher. I don't know that

498
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<v Speaker 2>he's bad. I don't know that he's great. So a

499
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<v Speaker 2>lot of that will come down to whether the White

500
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<v Speaker 2>Sox feel comfortable, you know, if they think he's going

501
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<v Speaker 2>to work with their pitchers well, and then that sort

502
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<v Speaker 2>of thing. But you know, for now, he's a catcher.

503
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<v Speaker 2>I think he's a really athletic dude. He runs the

504
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.519
<v Speaker 2>basis surprisingly well for a catcher, at least at this point.

505
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, he said for a high average and

506
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.400
<v Speaker 2>got on base strikeout rates quite high. There is swinging

507
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>myss there on insund pitches. I think, uh, you know,

508
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 2>so there's some questions. But but but I think that's

509
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.480
<v Speaker 2>a trade that they can be happy with for now.

510
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<v Speaker 2>And I think, you know, you can never as you

511
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<v Speaker 2>see with the Kyle Teal being hurt this year, you

512
00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.599
<v Speaker 2>can never have too much catching depth. And you know,

513
00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 2>and the other thing is they can flip him again.

514
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.880
<v Speaker 2>They're they're in there and we're winning now, you know,

515
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.680
<v Speaker 2>they could trade him and something. Teams want catchers. I

516
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.640
<v Speaker 2>think some teams developed catchers better than others. So I think,

517
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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe let's see if we will get used

518
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<v Speaker 2>to saying it, but I think it's kind of a

519
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, look mean, its been pretty good for Washington.

520
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<v Speaker 3>I think finally, yeah, he has good which has been

521
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<v Speaker 3>good to see.

522
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 2>But I still think this is a pretty good nifty

523
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:44.680
<v Speaker 2>move from from the White Sox.

524
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Right, and catchers can kind of be late bloomers at times,

525
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and if if Boston smith Is is a catcher that

526
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<v Speaker 1>can provide a little offensive firepower, then that's a win

527
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>for the White Sox totally. So moving on. So typically

528
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:01.440
<v Speaker 1>when Smith is here in his co he usually gives

529
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.759
<v Speaker 1>us a hot take or two. And Eli, I think

530
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<v Speaker 1>you're carrying on his legacy with your selection for under

531
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<v Speaker 1>the radar prospect? Eli, is there really an Los Angeles

532
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Angels prospect that we should be paying attention to?

533
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:16.160
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

534
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<v Speaker 5>Well, yes, Uh, temper your expectations a little bit.

535
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so so sore treg.

536
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<v Speaker 5>Gregory Alford has been uh you know, pitching for the

537
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 5>Angels colleague team all of this year. We watch him pitch,

538
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:40.440
<v Speaker 5>and you know, there are four distinct pitches here. Gregory

539
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.519
<v Speaker 5>Alford is He's built like a tight end. He's massive,

540
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.839
<v Speaker 5>you know, sits in the high nineties. Uh, you know,

541
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.880
<v Speaker 5>he can probably touch one hundred if he really reared back.

542
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.279
<v Speaker 5>There's almost no command here so to speak of. Uh,

543
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:57.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, he can he can get it in the

544
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 5>general vicinity of the strike zone, but but you know,

545
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:05.480
<v Speaker 5>there's there's no touch and feel as far as fastball

546
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:06.240
<v Speaker 5>command goes.

547
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 4>His His slider when he really snaps it off, looks

548
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:10.119
<v Speaker 4>really good.

549
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 5>You know, it's a really really nasty, you know, two

550
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Speaker 5>plane breaking ball. Sometimes he when he doesn't you know,

551
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 5>really spin it, it looks like a mediocre cutter. So

552
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.599
<v Speaker 5>you know that's something that he's going to have to

553
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.720
<v Speaker 5>to get more consistent with as he as he you know,

554
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:32.599
<v Speaker 5>gains reps.

555
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 4>Curveball and change up look.

556
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 5>Okay, you know they also have sort of some encouraging

557
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 5>uh you know, movement the fastball. You know, it's the shape,

558
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 5>the traits are are fairly pedestrian, and you know, when

559
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.119
<v Speaker 5>you look under the hood, Gregory alferds rate stats are

560
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 5>not excellent. You know, he's not he's not walking the

561
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:01.839
<v Speaker 5>ballpark the way that you would sort of expect for

562
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 5>a guy without this kind of without this kind of

563
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.400
<v Speaker 5>command or control. But he's also not striking out a

564
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 5>ton of people. He's not he's striking out less than

565
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:14.799
<v Speaker 5>a beat or in anything which you know, he's he's

566
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 5>twenty years old in in low A he should probably

567
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.000
<v Speaker 5>especially with the stuff that he has, he should probably

568
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:23.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, be.

569
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Striking more more hitters out.

570
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.359
<v Speaker 5>But you know, this is a this is a sort

571
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.559
<v Speaker 5>of a rough around the edges profile. But you know,

572
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 5>his his physicality, the the upside with all four of

573
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 5>his pitches.

574
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.559
<v Speaker 4>You know, there is definitely something here.

575
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 5>You never like to look at a player and say, well,

576
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 5>he would be better if he was in another organization.

577
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what I was thinking. I was like, boy,

578
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 1>if he was with the team, the other Los Angeles team,

579
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 1>this would be a profile could really get behind.

580
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.160
<v Speaker 5>Right or even like you know, a Milwaukee or something

581
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 5>like that, maybe they could sort of optimize him. I

582
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 5>mean again, we're talking about a twenty year old and

583
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.599
<v Speaker 5>it's a lot of body that he's working with. So

584
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe maybe a year from now he gets

585
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 5>he gets you know, one hundred innings under his belt

586
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.359
<v Speaker 5>and we can sort of regroup and see where he's at.

587
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:21.839
<v Speaker 4>Right.

588
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but sounds like the raw tools are there. So

589
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>whether or not the Angels can work that out, we'll see.

590
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 1>But I hope for him that he can. Yeah, yeah,

591
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm really excited about the next guest. I

592
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 1>feel like our draft coverage has drastically improved during the

593
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>past several years, and we've added Liam Murphy this year. Liam,

594
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I know you've been hard at work on the draft board.

595
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Can you give us just a brief overview of how you, Michael,

596
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 1>and Jerr are kind of putting together the draft board

597
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 1>and give us a quick look at kind of the

598
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>process behind that. Because there's so many names out there,

599
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>how do you guys go about that process?

600
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean, this kind of happened even before I got

601
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 4>hired by BP, that I would just call Michael Donadeo

602
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 4>for basically three hours at a time and we would

603
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 4>just be running down random preps across the country. Yeah,

604
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:30.839
<v Speaker 4>it's it's been entertaining, to say the least. There's really

605
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 4>no good way to say that, but it's literally just

606
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 4>like pulling up video of each guy going that works,

607
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.400
<v Speaker 4>that doesn't work, that works, that doesn't work, and then

608
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:47.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, over time you assemble like a huge gallery

609
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 4>of looks. I think we had like probably three hundred

610
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 4>prep hitters, and I had like two hundred and fifty

611
00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 4>prep pitchers in a in a spreadsheet, and it was just, Yeah,

612
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 4>it gets confusing at times.

613
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.519
<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine it is a hard find in

614
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 1>the video of some of those especially like we talked

615
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 1>about the cold weather prep arms and prep bats. Is

616
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 1>it kind of tough to find that video sometimes?

617
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, No, you would be surprised. There's a lot of

618
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:27.160
<v Speaker 4>just people on X the everything app that just send

619
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 4>out video footage of these guys. Plus like you have events,

620
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 4>especially Canada has a lot of events.

621
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Surprisingly, Yeah, Canada's kind of become in a hotbed a

622
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit for prep baseball.

623
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it certainly seems like a lot of

624
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 4>prep players have realized, like if I get my name

625
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 4>in these events, I get the data measurables into the

626
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 4>general database of prospects, and that helps filter some of

627
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 4>these selections.

628
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. I want to get to get some insight

629
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 1>about some of the names you've been digging into, and

630
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.119
<v Speaker 1>you kind of give me, give me some names to

631
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<v Speaker 1>start with. But let's start with the player that was

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<v Speaker 1>featured in the draft board one point zero, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Schalier. What does he do well and what might

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<v Speaker 1>be the team that fits best for him.

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<v Speaker 4>So small pronunciation thing. Okay, it threw me for a

636
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<v Speaker 4>loop too. It is she lar, she lar, all right,

637
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<v Speaker 4>it proved me.

638
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<v Speaker 3>For a loop.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not. Yeah, he is very good. He has the

640
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<v Speaker 4>weirdest setup that you can have, like he basically I

641
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<v Speaker 4>can't even really describe it. It's like a step and

642
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<v Speaker 4>then a step forward and then he swings. It's very funky.

643
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<v Speaker 4>But he has like very good measurables, very good exit velocity,

644
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<v Speaker 4>runs fairly well. Seems like he could definitely play in

645
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<v Speaker 4>right field based off of the arm. We don't think

646
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<v Speaker 4>he's a center fielder because through looks and talking to people,

647
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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't seem like he has the horizontal ability to

648
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<v Speaker 4>move that would be needed in centerfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So but even with all of this and the weird

651
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<v Speaker 4>set up and swaying, he's still making a ton of

652
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<v Speaker 4>contact on the prep circuit and it just it just

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<v Speaker 4>clicks for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And he's the Mississippi state commit correct, Yes, okay,

655
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<v Speaker 1>So moving on the draft is going to be full

656
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<v Speaker 1>of sec guys. Uh, guys like salt Shillar. Do I

657
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<v Speaker 1>say that, right?

658
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<v Speaker 4>I know it's really unnatural to actually.

659
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's a lot of guys like that they're

660
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<v Speaker 1>going to SEC schools that are at SEC schools or

661
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<v Speaker 1>Big ten or whatever. But you mentioned to me Jackson.

662
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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Arons a prep short stuff and he's committed to

663
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<v Speaker 1>Northern Illinois. No shade to the Huskies, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball powerhouse. What makes Aarons interesting?

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<v Speaker 4>So this is where it gets into how I look

666
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<v Speaker 4>into prep prospects. He was at a random tournament I

667
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<v Speaker 4>want to say, in Georgia, like in the spring, and

668
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<v Speaker 4>he hit for the cycle I want to say, in

669
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<v Speaker 4>like two or three games it was. He also, yeah,

670
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<v Speaker 4>he ran very good exits down there with would bat

671
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<v Speaker 4>and I just like he popped up onto my timeline.

672
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh that looks good. And the more

673
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<v Speaker 4>I looked into home, I'm like, oh, there's like there's

674
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<v Speaker 4>like actually something here. So you know, I don't think

675
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<v Speaker 4>he made. He might not be a top one hundred guy,

676
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<v Speaker 4>but you know he he sands actually you know he

677
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<v Speaker 4>might be a He was originally a junior college commit.

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<v Speaker 4>He only recently committed to NIU, which has actually had

679
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<v Speaker 4>a pretty good run in the baseball tournament this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they have, they have. It's a decent uh mid major.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So to go from being like committed to a

682
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<v Speaker 4>high end JUCO to just immediately dropping your commitment in

683
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<v Speaker 4>the spring and going to NIU certainly says something. Uh,

684
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<v Speaker 4>you know, there's been a few scouts checking out his

685
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<v Speaker 4>games because I have a man on the ground in

686
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<v Speaker 4>Illinois to look at these things to ask and yeah, no,

687
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<v Speaker 4>he certainly seems like a interesting pop up guy to

688
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<v Speaker 4>keep an eye on. He probably goes to college. But

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<v Speaker 4>I enjoy these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it makes me wonder too if, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not committed to Vanderbilt, he's not committed to you know,

692
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<v Speaker 1>whoever is the Northern Illinois. Does that make him a

693
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<v Speaker 1>little bit more tempting for team to draft him that

694
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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't cost as much to get him out of

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<v Speaker 1>that commitment. I'm not sure.

696
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<v Speaker 4>If you're a fan of how the Brewers draft, he

697
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<v Speaker 4>is eminently signable by the Brewers, just like love to

698
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<v Speaker 4>throw darts across the Midwest. It's like, hey, you get

699
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 4>six hundred thousand dollars, you get three hundred that Luke

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<v Speaker 4>Adams is the perfect example of this, or like any

701
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<v Speaker 4>of the fifteen pictures they've drafted over the last few years.

702
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Adam Zesky or what's the I can't remember his outfields?

703
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, Josh Adamski. Yeah yeah, yes, that's about too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, there's like just a ton of random Midwestern men

706
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<v Speaker 4>getting signed by the Brewers out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, let's talk a little Vinnie Lombardo, a cold

708
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<v Speaker 1>weather prep which has kind of been the theme here.

709
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<v Speaker 1>A cold weather prep outfielder. What about his profile makes

710
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<v Speaker 1>my teams find intriguing?

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<v Speaker 4>So I put Vinnie Lombardo on here as a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of a meme. To be honest with you, I I

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<v Speaker 4>looked at Vinnie Lombardo, I want to say in October,

714
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<v Speaker 4>partially because I enjoyed saying the name Vinny Lombardo. But

715
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<v Speaker 4>he is a random fairfield prep that I don't even

716
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<v Speaker 4>think he's like the best ranked UH.

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<v Speaker 1>Team.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes he is in Connecticut, Okay, but yeah no, he

719
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<v Speaker 4>has just a terrible setup, Like he has all of

720
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<v Speaker 4>the tools possible. He I want to say, he's a

721
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<v Speaker 4>receiver or a running back in football, like very fast,

722
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<v Speaker 4>very strong hip mo area codes last year, which is

723
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<v Speaker 4>data point, you know. But he's just very fun. He

724
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<v Speaker 4>whiffs a lot and his swing just doesn't look like

725
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<v Speaker 4>it's going to work. It's just a very it can

726
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<v Speaker 4>be into insistent at times. It'll change, but like it'll

727
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<v Speaker 4>go from like passable to like what are you doing?

728
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<v Speaker 4>Where Like you've seen Luke Adams swing right where he

729
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<v Speaker 4>just like looks like he got off of a farm

730
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<v Speaker 4>and he's taking a big old step to swing and

731
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<v Speaker 4>it's kind of similar vibes in the setup, like just

732
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<v Speaker 4>a very big step. But the tools there are legit.

733
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<v Speaker 4>So if you think the swing is fixable, which I

734
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<v Speaker 4>feel like if you don't have a fixable swing, like

735
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<v Speaker 4>if your swing isn't looking to get fixed by a

736
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<v Speaker 4>pro team and you have all these tools, you're like

737
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<v Speaker 4>a top three round draft pick. But there's so many

738
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<v Speaker 4>guys that, like, you know, their swing looks incredibly funky

739
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<v Speaker 4>or they whif too much or that drives the board.

740
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<v Speaker 4>And Vinne Lombardo is a perfect example of this.

741
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<v Speaker 1>But you kind of mentioned the Brewers. What team do

742
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<v Speaker 1>you think would be the best to fix that swing?

743
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<v Speaker 4>Oh? Oh, I mean it might, It's see might. Always

744
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<v Speaker 4>go to answer is the Dodgers, just because like they're

745
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<v Speaker 4>the top tier of everything, But yeah, the Brewers might

746
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:24.440
<v Speaker 4>be cool. Red Sox maybe maybe Yeah, Red Sox works, Yeah,

747
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 4>Red Sox would work. He doesn't really need to add

748
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 4>that speed though. It's more of a swing plane and

749
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.280
<v Speaker 4>issue and and yeah, it's just like if you really

750
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<v Speaker 4>look at like anybody listening to this, go on next

751
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 4>to the Everything app, just put in Vinny Lombardo and

752
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 4>look at him swing. It is just not great, but.

753
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>It might just work.

754
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 4>It might just work. Again, I was a big Luke

755
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 4>Adams fan and it's kind of worked.

756
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, awesome, Well, great stuff, gentlemen, thanks stepping up.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for helping me out with this episode. Before we leave,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to go around the horn here,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tell people where they can find you on

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<v Speaker 1>social media, where they can see your work at ben,

761
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<v Speaker 1>where where can they find you at.

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, I'm you know, I still maintain an

764
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<v Speaker 2>account on the aforementioned X the Everything app. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even sure if I remember what my my oh b oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's be Span Underscore two or something

767
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<v Speaker 2>like that. But there aren't that many of me, so

768
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<v Speaker 2>I don't really post a lot on there anyway, though

769
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<v Speaker 2>It's a good place for gathering information at some variety

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<v Speaker 2>of as Liam is discussing, and it was a couple

771
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<v Speaker 2>of years ago when he was in low A a

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<v Speaker 2>good place for me and Liam to discuss Luke Adams

773
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<v Speaker 2>his development in the car in Carolina mudcasts.

774
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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm on Blue Sky a lot. My name is.

775
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<v Speaker 2>Be span two dot bsky dot social. I post sometimes

776
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<v Speaker 2>every now and then a little video, but but yeah,

777
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<v Speaker 2>I'm on there.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how are.

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<v Speaker 2>How our listeners are divided between those two sides at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, but I you know, if you if you

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<v Speaker 2>contact me on either one, that's you'll I'll probably see

782
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<v Speaker 2>your message.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Eli, what about you?

784
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<v Speaker 4>You can find me?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, my my ex handle is Twitter handle is at

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<v Speaker 5>Walsh Underscore ELI, and my my Blue Sky is is

787
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<v Speaker 5>just my name. Yeah, most most of my handles are

788
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<v Speaker 5>Walsh Underscore ELI. But there's not not a ton of

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<v Speaker 5>Eli Walsh is out there, so it's not that hard

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<v Speaker 5>to find me.

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<v Speaker 1>Liam.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually had to look this up. It's l P. M.

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<v Speaker 4>Murphy on h X. The everything other than that nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not really okay, And you can find me on Blue

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<v Speaker 1>Sky in our gram. Make sure you check out our

796
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<v Speaker 1>work at Baseball Perspectives and we'll be back in two

797
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<v Speaker 1>weeks with another episode of The Heat Check. Until then,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for listening and we will see you later.