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Speaker 2: you know, the conversation, you know, kind of wrapped up
Speaker 2: with like, man, there's some real good momentum. Feeling pretty
Speaker 2: good to be to be a Louisville fan right now,
Speaker 2: and then today, same thing, cross paths. We're talking about.
Speaker 2: Last night, Pat Kelsey dominant win, nearly a fifty point
Speaker 2: beat down against Murray Moorhead State team you know, played
Speaker 2: their ass off. So it's nice. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: like everything's been terrible for a while. But man, it
Speaker 2: feels like vibes are in a good place this week.
Speaker 2: And if if Louisville can somehow knock off Tennessee on Saturday,
Speaker 2: I mean that would be a picture perfect start for
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey and they can. We'll get into it later.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to, like, you know, claim it's going
Speaker 2: to happen yet. But Tennessee, you know, they didn't. They
Speaker 2: didn't look good against Indiana. It sounds like John can
Speaker 2: attest to that that would be true. And then they
Speaker 2: you know, they were in a close game last night
Speaker 2: with their their in their opener and I can't think
Speaker 2: of who it was they played, but you know they
Speaker 2: didn't come close to covering not only the spread or
Speaker 2: what ken Palm projected. But again, some of those numbers
Speaker 2: are I mean insane to even reference. Whenever you've got
Speaker 2: a formula telling you, you know, simulation and a score
Speaker 2: whenever you've you know, you got so many new players everywhere.
Speaker 2: But anyways, vibes are good here and that's that's that's
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Speaker 2: zero seven ninety. So last night it was somebody referencing, hey,
Speaker 2: really love this team, but clearly they're going to live
Speaker 2: and die by the three. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: get into my whole thing about living and dying by
Speaker 2: the three because or living and dying by anything, I
Speaker 2: think any strength that anybody has, if that's not working,
Speaker 2: then yeah, they're not as good, so therefore they might die.
Speaker 2: Like it's almost like the win is a win comment
Speaker 2: that people say like a win and a win is
Speaker 2: a win is the biggest wasted statement anybody can ever
Speaker 2: have as a fan, because what you're doing is just acknowledging,
Speaker 2: like you're in denial that your team won, but you
Speaker 2: really hated everything about it and you're worried because you know.
Speaker 2: That's why you're saying a win's a win, like everybody
Speaker 2: knows what a win is. It's not really, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's a waste of your breath. But anyways, Louisville
Speaker 2: this year and probably really throughout Pat Kelsey's time here
Speaker 2: however long. That is what you saw last night. That's
Speaker 2: who they want to be.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: They obviously want to make every shot they take, but
Speaker 2: that's not realistic. That's not reality. So when there was
Speaker 2: a it was midway through the first half, or it
Speaker 2: might have been closer towards the second half of the
Speaker 2: first half, if that makes sense. Where they did get
Speaker 2: I mean they got they got a lot of threes
Speaker 2: up in a short amount of time, and everybody who
Speaker 2: shot them that I can remember, I mean, they were
Speaker 2: in rhythm and somewhere you know, early on in the
Speaker 2: shot clock, maybe in your mind there wasn't enough movement
Speaker 2: and they should have worked to get a better shot.
Speaker 2: And they'll do that, right. If the ball's whipping around
Speaker 2: and they've got good spacing, they've got good rhythm, they're
Speaker 2: clearly gonna make extra passes to get even better shots.
Speaker 2: We've seen that many times from this team in exhibition
Speaker 2: play and even at times last night. But when you
Speaker 2: see somebody fire up a shot that you know is open,
Speaker 2: but you don't feel like that was the best shot
Speaker 2: they could get, just get used to it, right. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I mean, if you think it's an
Speaker 2: issue and you're worried, and look, that's your opinion and
Speaker 2: we'll see how it plays out. But last night, when
Speaker 2: they were firing them up and they went cold, I
Speaker 2: think they ended up missing like, I don't know, eight
Speaker 2: of nine at some point in the first half. They
Speaker 2: finished the game eleven of thirty six. But they did
Speaker 2: hit a cold stretch there in the first half, and
Speaker 2: I could just you know, I think Jody Dimmling had
Speaker 2: mentioned something during the broadcast, not not you know, being critical,
Speaker 2: but just mentioning the man, they can't buy one. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know fans were thinking, hey, why are
Speaker 2: we just firing up threes, Let's work the shot clock,
Speaker 2: let's get into a set. But that's that's that's not
Speaker 2: who they are. I mean, they're gonna have sets. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to say that like every game they're
Speaker 2: going to shoot forty three pointers or so. But last
Speaker 2: night Pat Kelsey was asked about it, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: are you still are you? You know, are you impressed
Speaker 2: with your team being able to dominate by this much
Speaker 2: despite not having a great night shooting only shooting thirty
Speaker 2: one percent from three point range? And you know his
Speaker 2: answer was, you know, I feel like it was strategic
Speaker 2: on his part to kind of let people know that
Speaker 2: that wasn't an issue with me. We got good shots.
Speaker 2: Because again, that that's what they want to do. If
Speaker 2: you've got a decent look, or you know, maybe even
Speaker 2: a questionable look for some like rain Smith, there's gonna
Speaker 2: be times where he just lets it rip and you
Speaker 2: live with it if he misses it, because that's how
Speaker 2: good of a shooter he is. And you know that's
Speaker 2: what they want. And this team was built like again,
Speaker 2: this team the ceiling for them. And it makes total
Speaker 2: sense because you know, the guy who built the team
Speaker 2: was able to pick pieces that fit exactly what he
Speaker 2: wants to do as far as his style, So spacing
Speaker 2: up tempo, a lot of possessions, clean looks from three
Speaker 2: layups and free throws like that's that's who they are
Speaker 2: and sometimes they're going to miss them. But what I
Speaker 2: loved about last night is there's clearly been a lot
Speaker 2: of repetition with these guys. What I mean by that
Speaker 2: is not a single one put their head down or
Speaker 2: showed any sign of like surprise or you know, frustration
Speaker 2: that they missed threes, because that's just who like. This
Speaker 2: team has an identity and I'm sure that's part of
Speaker 2: the process for Pat Kelsey. And look, a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys are brand new to the Pat Kelsey experience, right,
Speaker 2: They didn't play for him before, so they probably aren't
Speaker 2: used to just having the green light and knowing like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep shooting. That's a good look. It
Speaker 2: didn't go in, but man if I keep getting it,
Speaker 2: I got to keep firing it because that's what I'm
Speaker 2: out here to do. That's who we are, and that's
Speaker 2: why Pat Kelsey wants me to play here because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm somebody that can excel in the style that he
Speaker 2: wants to play in. So you know, little things like
Speaker 2: that are are standing out to me. And I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a basketball nerd myself. But like typically, if you
Speaker 2: see a team go cold from three like they did
Speaker 2: in that in that stretch, usually you can see it
Speaker 2: with body language. You can see, you know, there being
Speaker 2: some hesitation to even take the next one if it's open,
Speaker 2: if you have missed three in a row. But not
Speaker 2: with these guys. And I'm sure some people are gonna think,
Speaker 2: like geez, quit firing it up, But that's just that's this.
Speaker 2: You know, the way in which Pat wants to put
Speaker 2: a team on the floor and the way that he
Speaker 2: wants them to play is really exactly what you saw
Speaker 2: last night. And I think if they get thirty six
Speaker 2: good to decent to good looks from three like they
Speaker 2: got last night, I'd say, more often than not, you're
Speaker 2: going to make more than eleven. You're gonna shoot better
Speaker 2: than thirty one percent. Because this team has guys that
Speaker 2: you know they'll have bad nights, but more often than not,
Speaker 2: with the amount of guys you have that are gonna
Speaker 2: shoot it, It's gonna be tough for me to imagine
Speaker 2: everybody having an off night shooting right. But you can
Speaker 2: go eleven of thirty six from three thirty one percent
Speaker 2: and still win ninety three to forty five when your
Speaker 2: defense is able to create twenty nine points off turnovers.
Speaker 2: I mean that game would have been a lot uglier
Speaker 2: if you know, guys who we know can shoot better
Speaker 2: than what we saw were able to make make some
Speaker 2: more of them. I mean Rain Smith was four of
Speaker 2: nine and he air bolt to last night. I think
Speaker 2: that ain't gonna happen very often. I mean Noah Waterman,
Speaker 2: I mean he didn't play a ton of minutes. He
Speaker 2: missed all four. Like more often than not, he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna make at least one of four, sometimes two or
Speaker 2: four of their good looks. So that makes it to
Speaker 2: where you don't win ninety three to forty five. You
Speaker 2: shoot it a little bit better. You probably win in
Speaker 2: this thing by nearly sixty points. So again, being able
Speaker 2: to recreate everything that happened last night statistically much more
Speaker 2: difficult when you're playing like teams than aren't more head state.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think there's gonna be some teams
Speaker 2: that want to play the style of Louisville and it'll it'll,
Speaker 2: you know, they'll realize they're not necessarily built to do
Speaker 2: it as well as Louisville. Doesn't mean that they're not
Speaker 2: more talented. Maybe they end being a better team down
Speaker 2: the line. But if Louiville can dictate the style of
Speaker 2: play like they did last night, you know, I feel
Speaker 2: like that that's going to be a good recipe for
Speaker 2: this group. Now they're gonna be matchup problems and there's
Speaker 2: going to be off nights, like they're gonna lose a
Speaker 2: couple of games this year, probably because they just had
Speaker 2: that bad of a night shooting. And maybe some with
Speaker 2: that point will say, well, hey, if you'll live by
Speaker 2: the three, you die by the three. And I guess
Speaker 2: at that point, you know you're right, because hey, this
Speaker 2: team's best, you know, best weapon really didn't work at all.
Speaker 2: Couldn't get it, couldn't get it to fire in any way.
Speaker 2: But I feel like that's going to be a rarity.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You don't want it to happen, you know, in the
Speaker 2: tournament that kind of stuff, but at sports, that's basketball,
Speaker 2: So again, if you were somebody that was a little
Speaker 2: bit taken aback by how many times they were just
Speaker 2: firing up some threes last night. That's the method, that's
Speaker 2: what they want to do, and we'll see. But I
Speaker 2: have a feeling that thirty one percent eleven from thirty six.
Speaker 2: You know that won't be the norm.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: They'll have games where they shoot like that, and they'll
Speaker 2: probably have a game where they shoot worse than that.
Speaker 2: But really impressive performance from Pat Kelsey last night and
Speaker 2: last the press conference. He did start off by congratulating
Speaker 2: Jef Brawm and the football team for their win at Clemson,
Speaker 2: but then before being asked any questions about his first
Speaker 2: real game as the head coach, he continued to show
Speaker 2: us that you know, he's happy as hell he's here,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean he's gonna win. You gotta win,
Speaker 2: you gotta get results. But at every step since being hired,
Speaker 2: and he's one to know, so I guess he has
Speaker 2: won at this point. But we are clearly very early
Speaker 2: in this whole thing. But so far, I feel like
Speaker 2: this guy has really checked every box and has has
Speaker 2: brought some real life back to the UMP Center. And again,
Speaker 2: I know the attendance wasn't you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what the number is, but clearly you know there were
Speaker 2: empty seats you could find last night, but those that
Speaker 2: were there were into it, and it reminded me of
Speaker 2: when Louisville basketball was in a great place. I mean,
Speaker 2: two and a half minutes left, you still have starters
Speaker 2: in the game that are about to check out, you're
Speaker 2: of fifty points, and you get a shot clock violation.
Speaker 2: You force morehead State when they're down fifty to have
Speaker 2: a shot clock violation, and you would have thought the
Speaker 2: game just started. That's the intensity level that these guys
Speaker 2: played with. And the fans that were there still when
Speaker 2: it's a fifty point blowout were on their feet as
Speaker 2: loud as can be and like that. That's that's I mean,
Speaker 2: it couldn't have worked out much better for Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: last night. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3: I thought the crowd was phenomenal tonight. Goosebump's moment for
Speaker 3: me on those times where our teams made a run
Speaker 3: and they called a time out and the place went nuts. Man,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I've coached for a long time in
Speaker 3: home games, and I've never had a home game like that,
Speaker 3: and it was it was something that I'll remember, you know,
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. You know, I get
Speaker 3: to make these statements at the beginning before you guys
Speaker 3: ask any questions, so I can kind of say what
Speaker 3: I want to say. We say never to lay gratitude.
Speaker 3: I'm just so blessed to be the head coach at
Speaker 3: at Louisville. You know, I believe that, you know, God
Speaker 3: is a plan, and I believe I'm sitting in this
Speaker 3: chair and the head coach at Louisville, you know, for
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons and a lot of hard work
Speaker 3: by our staff and things like that. But I also
Speaker 3: think that I have this platform now at a really
Speaker 3: high level with a lot of cameras and a lot
Speaker 3: of people looking at me and a lot of people
Speaker 3: listening to me. So I do think it's important that
Speaker 3: I acknowledge, you know, uh, where I'm centered in my
Speaker 3: devotion to my faith and and to Christ. And you know,
Speaker 3: with all the craziness that's going on in the world today,
Speaker 3: and as crazy as the world is, from the bottom
Speaker 3: of my heart, I believe with everything I got that
Speaker 3: that Jesus is the answer because He is Love and
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure that when I have
Speaker 3: the opportunity like this to be at this level and
Speaker 3: the coach at a place like Louisville, that I make
Speaker 3: sure that that I glorify him first and foremost proud
Speaker 3: of our players. I thought they played really hard. Their
Speaker 3: attention to detail on scouting report was meticulous over the
Speaker 3: last several days. We have an old, mature team that
Speaker 3: you know, they amazed me by just their attention to
Speaker 3: detail and their focus and scouting reports. And they did
Speaker 3: that for young Harris, they did that for Spaulding, and
Speaker 3: they did that tonight for Morehead. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure that they're going to do the
Speaker 3: same thing for a huge, huge game here at the
Speaker 3: youm you know that that the nation will kind of
Speaker 3: be looking at as we get ready for a very
Speaker 3: very good and uh obviously a well coached team by
Speaker 3: a Hall of famer here on Saturday, and we're looking
Speaker 3: forward to it.
Speaker 2: Were So that was his opening statement before you know,
Speaker 2: taking questions, And if that didn't do anything for you,
Speaker 2: I get it, Like I'm not trying to say that
Speaker 2: you should think this guy's the best thing ever, because
Speaker 2: look a lot I don't know him, and when it
Speaker 2: comes to this kind of stuff, some people try to
Speaker 2: not let like them, like you know, they just want
Speaker 2: to root their team on. They don't want to think about,
Speaker 2: like you know, knowing coaches, players, and I get it. However,
Speaker 2: you know, I know that that people care so much
Speaker 2: about Louislle basketball. But when you do have a coach
Speaker 2: that handles things this way and really goes out of
Speaker 2: his way at every opportunity, with every opportunity to let
Speaker 2: people know how fortunate he feels to be the coach
Speaker 2: of this program that we all care about so much.
Speaker 2: I mean, that kind of stuff matters. It can go
Speaker 2: a long way. Again, got to win, but there's so
Speaker 2: much more to it than just winning. And if you
Speaker 2: are somebody that wins, but maybe not at the level
Speaker 2: that Louisville hopes to be at consistently, right, if you're
Speaker 2: not making Final four US every few years or something
Speaker 2: like that, I mean, that would be hard to do
Speaker 2: for a lot of programs. But I'm just saying if
Speaker 2: you're somebody that that that that wins, and then you
Speaker 2: have a down year or maybe a couple of down years,
Speaker 2: but you have you know, fans will ride with you
Speaker 2: more so, if they do believe that you are like that,
Speaker 2: you know that you're genuine. So so far, so good
Speaker 2: for one Pat Kelsey and look, I think this is
Speaker 2: an easy transition here. I didn't see any of Kentucky
Speaker 2: play last night because obviously they played at the same
Speaker 2: time as Louisville, but I know their fans are feeling
Speaker 2: the same way about Mark Pope. Like everything that you
Speaker 2: didn't like about cal Mark Pope is the exact opposite
Speaker 2: of and you love it. And I would too if
Speaker 2: I was you. I mean, I'm not a Kentucky fan.
Speaker 2: I can't relate. But Mark Pope, you know, he's got
Speaker 2: to win as well. And only time will tell if
Speaker 2: in fact, both these guys end up winning at the
Speaker 2: level that they need to for fans and even their
Speaker 2: bosses to feel as if they're you know, there are
Speaker 2: long term fits. But I think both of these guys
Speaker 2: have have really not followed maybe the same exact plan
Speaker 2: or the same script. But I think, well, we'll back
Speaker 2: up a second. Here's the reality. Even if Pope and
Speaker 2: Kelsey weren't so charismatic and relatable and energetic, and you know,
Speaker 2: even if they weren't the way that they are, and
Speaker 2: they were maybe you know, maybe not the exact opposite,
Speaker 2: but just like you know, ten notches down and you
Speaker 2: really didn't see him as much. They weren't as outspoken,
Speaker 2: they weren't as care the charisma maybe wasn't where it is.
Speaker 2: We'd all still be thinking, yeah, these guys are great,
Speaker 2: because that's what fans do, right. But like, I think
Speaker 2: both things can be true. That, yes, until a coach
Speaker 2: gives you a reason to complain, you're going to think, oh,
Speaker 2: we got the best guy ever, because again, you want
Speaker 2: to believe. So that's just what a lot of fans
Speaker 2: are going to do. And it played out that way
Speaker 2: because both sides, at different levels, were pretty taken aback
Speaker 2: by who actually got hired to be their coaches. Right,
Speaker 2: we all remember that, let's not rewrite history. But another
Speaker 2: thing that can be true is that these guys really
Speaker 2: are like you know, checking boxes, hitting notes if you will.
Speaker 2: That mean a lot to fan bases like these that
Speaker 2: care so much about basketball, and it's refreshing that the
Speaker 2: rivalry is new. I mean, obviously for on the Louisville side,
Speaker 2: you know, we know that needed to end had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the rivalry, it just you know, needed end.
Speaker 2: And on the Kentucky side, you know clearly that thing
Speaker 2: could run its course with Caliperry there. And Pope's not
Speaker 2: a villain yet. I mean, he's not easy to dislike,
Speaker 2: but you know the fact that it's fresh and it's new,
Speaker 2: and you know, when these two teams play each other
Speaker 2: later this year, it's gonna be the first time these
Speaker 2: guys get a chance to get a win in this rivalry.
Speaker 2: And that alone is is pretty exciting. Speaking of exciting,
Speaker 2: I'm super excited to be joined on the other side
Speaker 2: by the one and only C. L. Brown or the
Speaker 2: Courier Journal. We'll catch up with him. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's listening right now. I doubt he is. What
Speaker 2: if I just started off with nothing but political questions
Speaker 2: throw him off a little bit, he probably hang up
Speaker 2: on me, because that's you know, he's a no nonsense guy.
Speaker 2: So we'll keep it. We'll keep it strictly professional here
Speaker 2: with the one and only cl Brown of the Courier Journal.
Speaker 2: He joins us next right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 2: We are about halfway through here on a Tuesday afternoon
Speaker 2: election day edition of Coffee and company, appreciate you hanging
Speaker 2: out with us here on Sports Talk seven ninety and
Speaker 2: we are now joined by the one and only C. L. Brown,
Speaker 2: who joins us here a cl with. Before we get
Speaker 2: to basketball, I'm gonna start with with with Jeff Brawm
Speaker 2: and the football team with their first ever win at
Speaker 2: Clemson on Saturday. Obviously underdogs, but how surprising was it
Speaker 2: for you to see to see this group breakthrough and
Speaker 2: you know, finally this year beat a good team again.
Speaker 2: They did something they've never done before. Clemson doesn't lose
Speaker 2: at home on Saturday nights. But to me, it kind
Speaker 2: of just confirmed that I thought this team actually was
Speaker 2: pretty good despite the shortfalls earlier this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you really got to consider what the shortfalls were,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, the three teams they lost to
Speaker 4: are currently ranked, all ranked, all essentially making a push
Speaker 4: for the College Football Playoff, and ultimately they might all
Speaker 4: three be in. And Louisville lost all three of those
Speaker 4: games by a touchdown. And you could just point to
Speaker 4: different mistakes Louisville made in each of those games that
Speaker 4: you know, tangibly led to the loss. In the Notre Dame,
Speaker 4: it was the three turnovers if you look back at
Speaker 4: the SMU game and the Miami game, if they don't
Speaker 4: get call reversals by replay on the fumble against SMU
Speaker 4: and the well they rule the incomplete pass but the
Speaker 4: scoop and score ultimately with Miami, then you know we
Speaker 4: could be looking at a one lost Louisville team that's
Speaker 4: also in the picture of and in the conversation of
Speaker 4: the college football playoff in AGC Championships. So with that
Speaker 4: being said, I still didn't you're gonna win that Clinston game,
Speaker 4: even though I did think they were a good team
Speaker 4: and they would be able to put up some points
Speaker 4: against Clemson. But Clintson at home at night, That's just
Speaker 4: not a good combination for most opposing teams coming in.
Speaker 4: But to me, what it came down to ultimately was
Speaker 4: the team. I mean, I know Isaac Brown had a great,
Speaker 4: great night Russian and Tyler Shuck definitely made He was
Speaker 4: efficient with his passing and plays when he had to.
Speaker 4: Although statisticals you didn't look at it.
Speaker 2: Oh we might have lost c L. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's a bluetooth thing. Can you hear me? I
Speaker 2: hears something. Let's see he's there. There's just I don't
Speaker 2: know if we lost to me, it sounds like a
Speaker 2: bluetooth kind of thing. Should I put him on hold here?
Speaker 2: And then yeah? Take okay, got you? Yeah, let me
Speaker 2: know if you end up I put him on hold.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I can hear you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Sorry we lost you briefly there. You were mentioning,
Speaker 2: you were mentioning Shuck and and Isaac Brown's big nights,
Speaker 2: and then we kind of lost you there for just
Speaker 2: a second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was saying they had great nights. But I
Speaker 4: still look back at special teams, and I looked at
Speaker 4: that first block field goal. I mean, if if clips
Speaker 4: and ties the game at ten, you know, we might
Speaker 4: be looking at a totally different outcome in the game.
Speaker 4: But blocking that field goal that essentially led to a
Speaker 4: short field and Louisville goes in for a score and
Speaker 4: it's seventeen to seven to me change the entire complexion
Speaker 4: of the game. Sure, and to be able to get
Speaker 4: a second block field goal, you know, they just had
Speaker 4: Clemson on their heels at that point, and so you know,
Speaker 4: and the flip side of that is is brock travels
Speaker 4: stead making four of his field goals to kind of
Speaker 4: make sure Louisville capitalized on those drives with points. And
Speaker 4: I also think that that kind of was a change
Speaker 4: in Jeff Brohm because I felt like at the end
Speaker 4: of the first half against Notre Dame, they had a chance.
Speaker 4: They were down twenty four to fourteen. I think they
Speaker 4: had a chance to make it a one score game,
Speaker 4: and they're inside the red zone and he went forward
Speaker 4: on fourth down and they didn't get it, and so
Speaker 4: they don't get any points out of that drive, even
Speaker 4: though they are gonna get first ball in the second half.
Speaker 4: I think if he plays that game again, he takes
Speaker 4: the points and they go in down on just one
Speaker 4: score in that game. Now, who knows, they still could
Speaker 4: have lost the game ultimately, but I just think it
Speaker 4: takes the dynamics. It gives you something, some confidence to
Speaker 4: have that score though, even if it's just three points,
Speaker 4: and your thoughts to that seven, and you know, I
Speaker 4: think it may have led to I would like to
Speaker 4: ask him that question, but obviously they didn't have availability
Speaker 4: this week with the not playing a game.
Speaker 2: I would say I would say you're probably spot on,
Speaker 2: because I mean, everybody wants seven instead of three, no brainer.
Speaker 2: And obviously Jeff has a lot of confidence and things
Speaker 2: that he that he can put together to potentially get
Speaker 2: it done. And on some of the fourth downs. I mean, again,
Speaker 2: I don't love what he did, but like you could
Speaker 2: argue that one of the one of the spots was
Speaker 2: questionable or hey that was a risk, but man, the
Speaker 2: ball hit him in his hands and he dropped it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, getting zero really you know, he got to
Speaker 2: feel what that was like to be in that spot
Speaker 2: and not have anything to show for it in certain instances.
Speaker 2: So I would say you're probably right that he he
Speaker 2: kind of learned through that to look, hey, I've been
Speaker 2: burned here. I think we could probably get it, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play it safe and take just take the
Speaker 2: field goal. I think Louisville could have played their best
Speaker 2: game of the season and still lost, because again, what
Speaker 2: you're doing, you're walking into Clemson, a place that just
Speaker 2: you know, even when they're down, they're still a good team,
Speaker 2: sometimes a really good team, and people don't win in
Speaker 2: those situations. But the defense, they were on the field
Speaker 2: all night, they were I mean, they had an attitude
Speaker 2: about them. They were bouncing around. It was the first
Speaker 2: time I saw consistently this defense really look the part
Speaker 2: as far as what I thought they were going to
Speaker 2: be this year. What do you think that the difference was.
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw Ron English on the sideline really
Speaker 2: showing some emotion. I mean, if the defense that we
Speaker 2: saw Saturday was really in place from an organizational standpoint,
Speaker 2: and you know, schematically, I feel like that's another thing
Speaker 2: that could have really helped this team early on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you give up fifty two points against Miami.
Speaker 4: I know cam Ward is having a great year and
Speaker 4: he's a special type quarterback, but that's still fifty two
Speaker 4: points he giving up at home. So and the SMU game,
Speaker 4: to me was worse because even though they didn't allow
Speaker 4: as many points, but it just seemed like they were
Speaker 4: always oposition and they were always looking to the sidelines,
Speaker 4: and they were never really on the same.
Speaker 2: Page the field too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, obviously they talked about those communication
Speaker 4: issues needing to be worked out and and maybe even
Speaker 4: simplifying some of their calls and in some of their
Speaker 4: sets on the field. So I think we finally just
Speaker 4: saw kind of the culmination of all of that after
Speaker 4: the SMU game. The things that they've worked on and
Speaker 4: tinkered with and tried to tweak to make better defensively,
Speaker 4: and surely they they all played out at Clemson, and
Speaker 4: Clemson's offense was hot coming into that game. I mean,
Speaker 4: they they had beaten a lot of you know, average
Speaker 4: to bad teams, but they beat them like they're supposed
Speaker 4: to get beat you know, like they were on a roll.
Speaker 4: And and you know, U of L just kind of
Speaker 4: took all of that away from them, and they were
Speaker 4: never in a position where, uh, they were kind of
Speaker 4: dictating the game to u of L. Offensively, they are
Speaker 4: already in a position where you know, the defense was
Speaker 4: getting them in third and long situations or you know,
Speaker 4: just kind of I don't know if confusing is the
Speaker 4: right word, but they kept them guessing. They kept them guessing,
Speaker 4: and they didn't know what u of L was coming with,
Speaker 4: and all of that made a difference in UL being
Speaker 4: able to come out with the win.
Speaker 2: Ceil Brown of the Curry Journal is our guest here
Speaker 2: on Sports Talk seven ninety. Let's switch gears to the
Speaker 2: Kentucky side of things. Their season has really has really
Speaker 2: fallen apart. You know, they're there for the first time
Speaker 2: having a bad year under Mark Stoops where you know,
Speaker 2: they just simply should be better. They've got they've they've
Speaker 2: got one of the toughest schedules in the country. But
Speaker 2: obviously he's put them in a position where they have
Speaker 2: pretty good players. You know, some of these losses you
Speaker 2: could see, but the way they're happening is is is ugly.
Speaker 2: What do you make of the conversation seemingly among Kentucky
Speaker 2: fans and even those that cover the team, that you know,
Speaker 2: maybe Stoops has kind of burned out and maybe if
Speaker 2: this thing continues to spiral that he'll just he'll just
Speaker 2: walk away. I mean, that wouldn't be the craziest thing ever.
Speaker 2: I do know that he's done really well for himself
Speaker 2: when it comes to business. But I just it's one
Speaker 2: of those things that I think fans say without realizing
Speaker 2: who would walk away from nine million dollars a year
Speaker 2: just because you're kind of just because you're kind of
Speaker 2: burned out? Like that's crazy to me exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't, but it.
Speaker 2: Could get even worse. I'm gonna ride it out for
Speaker 2: nine million.
Speaker 4: I would think. So there is something to be said
Speaker 4: about I do feel like he was burnt out coming
Speaker 4: into the year.
Speaker 2: Like I felt like, oh yeah, the thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he needed to find something to rejuvenate him. And
Speaker 4: it kind of reminded me. I felt like it's a
Speaker 4: case with Patino at one point at U of L,
Speaker 4: and I, you know, he always talked about that bridge here.
Speaker 4: I guess it was the twenty ten to twenty eleven
Speaker 4: season when when Preston Knowles was kind of the key
Speaker 4: figure on the team, and I think Peyton Sieba was
Speaker 4: I guess a sophomore. Oh yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: That ended up that ended up being a fun year
Speaker 2: and they got upset. Yeah, they got upset early. It
Speaker 2: was Bridge year, first year of the they they they
Speaker 2: weren't ranked preseason and and then showed up. That team
Speaker 2: ended up actually being pretty fun, and it's very forgettable
Speaker 2: because they lost to meet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they beat Kimba and you caught a couple of times,
Speaker 2: but they're forgettable because it really matters what you do
Speaker 2: in the tournament. And I think that's the team that
Speaker 2: lost in Morehead, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah Yeah, But I mean and Preston Noles got hurt
Speaker 4: during that game too, and that's why to me, that's
Speaker 4: why they ended up losing the game on that three
Speaker 4: point at the buzzer, But it kind of rejuvenated Patino
Speaker 4: because it was like players who believed in what he
Speaker 4: was doing. It was an old maintenance team and they
Speaker 4: were all in and it helped rejuvenate him.
Speaker 2: And I felt like that's a really good point.
Speaker 4: Stoops needed something, whether it was the players, whether it
Speaker 4: was a win like that, going in the old miss
Speaker 4: with game no one expected them to win and coming
Speaker 4: out with that victory, like, I felt like he needed
Speaker 4: something just to kind of reignite that spark and and
Speaker 4: you know, get him going. And I don't I don't
Speaker 4: know that it's happened. I mean, you know, you look
Speaker 4: at their situation at quarterback. And this is another thing
Speaker 4: I praised Jeff Brohm for because I feel like so
Speaker 4: many coaches got the transfer portal quarterback wrong. They went
Speaker 4: out to try and get somebody as a quick fix,
Speaker 4: somebody who has experienced could fit in their system as such,
Speaker 4: and we've seen so many instances. I mean, if Florida
Speaker 4: State gets cam Ward instead of Dju, how different would
Speaker 4: their season be this year?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: And so they get two quarterbacks that just aren't working,
Speaker 4: you know, that can't run the system the way it
Speaker 4: needs to be run offensively, and as good as their
Speaker 4: defense has been at times this year, you just can't
Speaker 4: leave the defense in those situations every game, every time
Speaker 4: and expect them to come away, you know, leaving you
Speaker 4: in a position to win a game. So I don't
Speaker 4: see there being a situation like I don't think it's
Speaker 4: like Cali Perry being being so uncomfortable and getting to
Speaker 4: the point where he needed to leave UK. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't see it being that situation for Stoops. But uh,
Speaker 4: and I think he will stick it through at least
Speaker 4: for no other reason to have a good enough season
Speaker 4: to get and offer somewhere else to go, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean there are two sides with this. If he leaves,
Speaker 4: where is he going to go? And the flip side
Speaker 4: is if Kentucky tries to force him out, who are
Speaker 4: they gonna get?
Speaker 2: I mean, and they can't afford to force him out,
Speaker 2: I mean, like it would be I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't make a lot of sense. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's a good point as far as the Caliperry thing,
Speaker 2: because a lot I hear a lot well it's I
Speaker 2: hear a lot of people say well, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's just going to read the room
Speaker 2: and leave. Well it's nowhere. I mean, Cali Perry, I mean,
Speaker 2: you could tell that there was a real incompatibility issue
Speaker 2: there towards the end to where he was he was
Speaker 2: a miserable human being. I think Stoops is really miserable
Speaker 2: because he's losing, and clearly he's not happy with the
Speaker 2: way things are going now within ile on the portal.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know, I have a hard I
Speaker 2: mean for him to just say, all right, I'm walking away.
Speaker 2: Just I think even if it does get a little
Speaker 2: worse this year, like it would be, it would just
Speaker 2: be a real surprise to me because you just don't
Speaker 2: see that happen very often. And he's done enough there
Speaker 2: to where he could have this kind of year, and
Speaker 2: like his boss would probably want everybody to know, Hey,
Speaker 2: he's our guy as long as he wants to be
Speaker 2: so in a weird way, In a weird way, I
Speaker 2: think it's I think it's wishful thinking a little bit
Speaker 2: on the Kentucky fan side that like they just think
Speaker 2: their coach is going to walk away, Like I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't see it plan out that way at all,
Speaker 2: all right, last night, go ahead, Yeah, I was just
Speaker 2: gonna say.
Speaker 4: What's iron with this is that Stoops has been so
Speaker 4: good there for so long. They've gotten to a point
Speaker 4: where they're spoiled and think that this is how Kentucky
Speaker 4: football can will operate forever. And we know historically speaking,
Speaker 4: that's not the case.
Speaker 2: Not at all.
Speaker 4: You know, it's luck if you want to push him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, as much as it's it's headed
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. I mean yeah, I mean where
Speaker 2: they were before. I mean really just and that's I
Speaker 2: think that's why people who cover the sport, who really
Speaker 2: are in the college football world, have a lot of
Speaker 2: respect for him. It's not because of one big accomplishment.
Speaker 2: It's just because of the sustained success he's had at Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Not that it's like, you know, you're winning the league
Speaker 2: every year, but like it's really never been done before.
Speaker 2: It was something that I don't think anybody thought was possible.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he'll be back.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So last night with Pat Kelsey's debut, first real game,
Speaker 2: seeing Louisville play in a real game, obviously you could
Speaker 2: always be better at certain things. But I feel like
Speaker 2: that was really really close to exactly how he wants
Speaker 2: his teams to play. What do you think I would
Speaker 2: agree with that?
Speaker 4: I think that just their energy, their enthusiasm, their unselfishness,
Speaker 4: all of those kind of things we saw in this team,
Speaker 4: and really just their focus. I mean, he talked in
Speaker 4: the postgame about their attention to detail, like they went
Speaker 4: out and they they knew what they wanted to do
Speaker 4: and they executed, you know, even when it didn't necessarily
Speaker 4: work or whatever come through. They had a plan that
Speaker 4: they stuck to and and you know, you could see
Speaker 4: the kids bought into it. All of the players seemed
Speaker 4: to be on the same page. What I thought was
Speaker 4: interesting too, is I really didn't notice any anybody going yolo.
Speaker 4: Like there didn't seem to be a possession where there
Speaker 4: was one player on the floor that's like it's my
Speaker 4: time to shoot and I'm gonna get this shot off.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that's that's a tendency with
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sound like an old man like the youth
Speaker 4: of today in this game, but I do feel like
Speaker 4: there's a tendency for players to to just you know,
Speaker 4: to come in the situations like that, especially a situation
Speaker 4: where there's no clear alpha dog established on this team
Speaker 4: who had returned as the leading score or something like that,
Speaker 4: and and can claim this as as their team and so,
Speaker 4: but you didn't see any of that. You saw guys
Speaker 4: congratulating each other, cheering on each other. It's it's gonna
Speaker 4: be a fun team to watch, just just in that regard.
Speaker 4: It's going to be a fun team to watch.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know how great that will make them in
Speaker 4: terms of wins and losses, but if nothing else, we
Speaker 4: know this team is going to be together.
Speaker 2: All right. Last question for you, cl just curious your
Speaker 2: thoughts on Cooper Flag when it comes to the hype.
Speaker 2: Are you somebody that believes he will end up being
Speaker 2: one of these guys that is the most talked about
Speaker 2: players in college. I mean, he's going to be talked
Speaker 2: about a lot regardless, but you know, the hype for
Speaker 2: him seems to be the most we've seen from an
Speaker 2: incoming freshman in quite some time. I know you have
Speaker 2: a lot of connections down there in the Duke Carolina area.
Speaker 2: I mean, are you a believer that these guys as
Speaker 2: good as advertised?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: I am? I am. I've been able to see him
Speaker 4: in person, just coming up through the ranks when he
Speaker 4: was still a junior down in Peach Jam. It was
Speaker 4: a game where they played the Boozer Twins and his
Speaker 4: team from Main got White clean off the court. But
Speaker 4: you could see he's got it, man, He's got it.
Speaker 4: And I just I hope one thing. I hope ESPN
Speaker 4: doesn't go overboard with the hype like they are wont
Speaker 4: to do with individual talents, especially out of program like Duke.
Speaker 4: But I think Duke is gonna be a tough team,
Speaker 4: and I think Cooper Flag is gonna be the truth.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: The one thing that I do wonder still about him,
Speaker 4: is he gonna fall in that Paulo ben Cao kind
Speaker 4: of camp where he's clearly the best talent on the
Speaker 4: floor and a lot in most games Duke played in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, but sometimes because they got other good
Speaker 4: players too, that were five stars and highly ranked and
Speaker 4: all that, he wouldn't he wouldn't just take control of
Speaker 4: the game. He would defer the other guys, would you know,
Speaker 4: try and get shots, try and eat too, when clearly
Speaker 4: he should have been their first, second and third option
Speaker 4: every time down the floor if they really wanted to
Speaker 4: win games. And so I wonder if Cooper is gonna
Speaker 4: be in that same camp where he's you know, he's
Speaker 4: so unselfish to the point of he's not taking over
Speaker 4: when he should because he has the talent to take over.
Speaker 4: And that's the one thing I want to see where
Speaker 4: he's gonna kind of fall. But he's got all the
Speaker 4: skills to be, you know, the number one draft pick
Speaker 4: in next year's NBA draft and to be a National
Speaker 4: Player of the Year in college basketball.
Speaker 2: Cel great stuff. Is always appreciate you making time for us.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Always enjoy the conversation. Keep up the great work and
Speaker 2: we will talk to my friend.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you Nick, all right, take care. That is cl
Speaker 2: Brown or the Courier Journal. Always good to catch up
Speaker 2: with him. Really good stuff. Cel. He makes you think.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's a few things he said there throughout
Speaker 2: the conversation I want to hit on as we wrap
Speaker 2: up the four o'clock hour, especially the comparison about the
Speaker 2: Patino motivation. I hadn't really thought of that, but he's
Speaker 2: spot on. That really ignited Rick's best stretch he had
Speaker 2: here before you know, it came to an end, and
Speaker 2: with with this Louisville team. Another reminder in regards to
Speaker 2: what he said as far as like, ye, I didn't
Speaker 2: even notice it, but he's right, like there was not
Speaker 2: any instance of anybody like all right, my turn offensively
Speaker 2: stick with us right here on Sports Talk seven ninety
Speaker 2: wrapping up the four o'clock hour here on election day?
Speaker 2: When do they stop letting people vote?
Speaker 1: It depends on time zones, of course, so yeah, I
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Speaker 2: I could be wrong, though, Yeah. I would imagine that
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