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<v Speaker 1>The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Windows dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and listeners liking yeah yeah, most decorated old Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>O'll it is the nineteenth day of August twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly according to that thing we call calendar. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the O'Kelly effect. And you are probably hearing this via

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast because not too many people here it live.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I went to air later than I thought today,

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<v Speaker 2>so either way, it is what it is. It's Wednesday, Wodnesday,

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the week, and I'm very very happy to

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<v Speaker 2>have once again with us Larry Hancock. Now Larry is

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<v Speaker 2>the author of various books. Larry is well, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I described Larry online this week when I was

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<v Speaker 2>asked about someone else and he had to be mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>in the conversation. In my mind, somebody talked about Malcolm

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<v Speaker 2>Blunt quickly, and I said, well, you know what that

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody. I don't use the word expert very often,

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<v Speaker 2>but when it comes to documents, Malcolm Blunt is the

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<v Speaker 2>document expert in my mind, in the JFK case especially.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, if you were to create a super team, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and you wanted a document expert team, and you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it compact. You get Malcolm, you get Larry Hancock,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have your AB and C team cupboard, because

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<v Speaker 2>anything else you can put together would be a D

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<v Speaker 2>team at best. So that was one of the comments

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<v Speaker 2>I made after I also mentioned Larry on a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>where I was ranting about a bunch of other stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was brought up to me like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who is actually somebody because you seem to not be

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to some of the people in the JFK world

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<v Speaker 2>very much, and maybe you're not talking to any of them,

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, I still talk to Larry Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>because he was in that world. I'm not sure how

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<v Speaker 2>deep is in there now at this point because Larry

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<v Speaker 2>works on a lot of things. Currently, he's working on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the stuff to deal to do with the UAPs.

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<v Speaker 2>You've heard about it on this show. He's authored books

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<v Speaker 2>that have to do with the national security state and

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<v Speaker 2>the behavior of it outside of the JFK case, but

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<v Speaker 2>also inside the JFK case. One of the best pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of work is one of his most recent, which was

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<v Speaker 2>co authored with David Boylan or A. Bolin or Boylan.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'll always screw up your name Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're great. The thing is the Oswald Puzzle. It

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<v Speaker 2>was recently updated and released, and I strongly advise, just

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<v Speaker 2>like I advise on all of Larry's books, that you

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<v Speaker 2>own a copy if you care about the facts in

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<v Speaker 2>the case. I also talked about top ten books and

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<v Speaker 2>top fifty books in the JFK case, and I stated

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<v Speaker 2>that there aren't a top fifty list for me because

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<v Speaker 2>I've got some blank spots. There are not fifty useful

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<v Speaker 2>books on the case in existence that I know of.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I said online, And again I had to

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<v Speaker 2>mention Larry, because Larry's in my top fifty for sure

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<v Speaker 2>on all of his JFK books, and occupies a portion

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<v Speaker 2>of my top ten. I've never formally put it out there,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's where it sits. Anyways, all of that having

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<v Speaker 2>been said, and hopefully I didn't put you to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get an update from you, Larry, on

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<v Speaker 2>the goings on, if you will, in the actual JFK record,

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<v Speaker 2>but also what you're doing lately. So first, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing fine, Chuck, although I tell you what if

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<v Speaker 3>I know everybody's suffering from the heat wave, but we

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<v Speaker 3>have had weeks now of one hundred and seven one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and eight degree temperature, and it's just it's wearing

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<v Speaker 3>all of us down out here.

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<v Speaker 2>So it might not just be me putting you to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be the heat.

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<v Speaker 3>We definitely could be the I think it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>putting me asleep. I think it's like making me shorter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, okay, everything's kind of evaporating.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, not good, Larry, because I mean, I love you, man,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're already short enough. Don't get any shorter, please.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I know I'll disappear. But so that's how

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<v Speaker 3>things are. Things insider good, things outside not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love the one picture. I'm only six foot tall,

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<v Speaker 2>but I looked very much taller next to Larry in

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<v Speaker 2>a picture that I have from I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, where we're standing in the hallway at the conference,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's very funny. There's a set of pictures

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<v Speaker 2>me standing with Mikes, me standing with Carmine, and then

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<v Speaker 2>me standing with you. These were pictures I absolutely wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to have before I left Dallas, you know, more so

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<v Speaker 2>than my picture is my own. Pictures of the grassy

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<v Speaker 2>Knoll as such, I want to make sure I got

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<v Speaker 2>pictured with some of the people, because you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>and I have been doing this for over a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, fairly regularly we've had discus us. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>always about JFK. You know, you can look back through

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<v Speaker 2>the archives and find themselves people you the listeners, not Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can hear the various topics that we've covered.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've been very grateful to uh, to have done

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of the time that I've done this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>with you as a regular to semi regular guest, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's been it's been really great and highly educational. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into what's happening now instead of the archive

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<v Speaker 2>in the past and uh oh, we might have to

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<v Speaker 2>get into some archives though, so put it in order.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a pre pre recording conversation, which we usually

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<v Speaker 2>don't do much, but this time we had one, and

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<v Speaker 2>you had some great things to bring up and something

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not keeping up with. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>begin there, relating to the assassination Records Review Board, which

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<v Speaker 2>I will be catching up on later, but I had

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<v Speaker 2>not tracked in the past week. Uh you want to

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<v Speaker 2>start there, sure, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Want one kind before we go there, and we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about hi if really The picture that makes me feel

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<v Speaker 3>shortest is from a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lancer conference where I'm standing in between.

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<v Speaker 3>John Newman and Malcolm Blunt, and John Newman is in

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<v Speaker 3>his classic black ninja attire and Malcolm is in his

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<v Speaker 3>British professor attire, and I'm just so short I barely

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That may indeed be the same year that I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>because I Malcolm. I don't know how many Lancers Malcolm

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<v Speaker 2>and John were both at, but John was in that

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<v Speaker 2>ninja attire and had lost his cell phone the year

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<v Speaker 2>that I went. The first time I attended Lancer actually,

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<v Speaker 2>and Malcolm was there. That's the only time I met

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Blunt to my memory.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, he didn't come to many. But so what's

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<v Speaker 3>I think one of the challenges these days for me,

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<v Speaker 3>as you say, as you say, you know, I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of touch many different bases, uh, and with with what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on, just to try to stay in touch with

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening in the congressional hearings and Luna's committee and

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<v Speaker 3>there are other committees and that are covering some of

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<v Speaker 3>these subjects there are at the present, there are three

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<v Speaker 3>different places in the federal government that are dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>us U A P releases. You know, that three different things,

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<v Speaker 3>all of them unconnected, sometimes you know, touching the same information,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes not. Then there's you know, you've got the m

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<v Speaker 3>l K thing, which testimony was taken, uh RFK thing

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<v Speaker 3>may still be in the works. The word is that

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<v Speaker 3>that that's not been abandoned JFK. You know, So just

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<v Speaker 3>trying to keep apprized of what's going on and all

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<v Speaker 4>Even in Washington, d C. You know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>records releases and records.

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<v Speaker 3>Findings is challenging, I want to and the good part

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<v Speaker 3>of that is that a lot of this stuff is

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<v Speaker 3>going in the record. It is it is going into

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<v Speaker 3>the record of Luna's committee, at least when they when

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<v Speaker 3>they do their wrap up and talk about their summary

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<v Speaker 3>of findings, you're going to see comments of a lot

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<v Speaker 3>about a lot of things that they looked at. Uh

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<v Speaker 3>just had a conversation one of the fellows that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know you've talked about it on your show

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<v Speaker 3>and we've talked about it, is this the gentleman who

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<v Speaker 3>obtained the uh Billy saul SD's tapes of the conversation

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<v Speaker 3>with Cliff Carter, where you know, Cliff Carter is talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Johnson being dangerous and out of control.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he he's losing it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is when Johnson is is back at out of

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<v Speaker 3>the ranch, out of the office, and is certainly becoming paranoid.

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<v Speaker 3>We know from his the biographer that was working with

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<v Speaker 3>him at the time that he was thinking that everybody

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<v Speaker 3>was out to get him, everybody was.

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<v Speaker 4>Out to destroy his ranch, you know, and Cliff Carter

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<v Speaker 4>is kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of going you know, given what Billy saw, given what

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<v Speaker 3>you and I know about Johnson, you know, the number

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<v Speaker 3>of people he's killed, you know, who knows what he

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<v Speaker 4>If he totally loses it.

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<v Speaker 3>Those tapes are being handed off to the Commission, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course, the whole I would I'm sorry, the Commission

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<v Speaker 3>to Luna's committee. The whole point of that is that

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<v Speaker 3>her committee was tasked with recovering materials. So the whole

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<v Speaker 3>point is for them to go out and get people

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<v Speaker 3>to hand over source material, you know, and fortunately in

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<v Speaker 3>this case, he's decided it's worthwhile to hand over some

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<v Speaker 4>A real step forward.

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<v Speaker 3>It's you know, not that it solves the assassination, but

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<v Speaker 3>things that have been talked about for decades, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that we have gossiped about, there's been rumors about, and

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<v Speaker 3>finally to see it solidify after all these years is

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<v Speaker 3>pretty fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>No, definitely, And the fact that those tapes are being

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<v Speaker 2>turned overlook that that's kind of predictable considering that the

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<v Speaker 2>grandson of Billy Celesties is very much pleased to work

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<v Speaker 2>with the current administration and Luna's committee. Remember again, is

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<v Speaker 2>there for the purposes exists for the purposes of oversight,

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<v Speaker 2>but they are actually collecting some material. It's not an investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a House select committee. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>a Senate subcommittee you know, with a particular purpose and

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<v Speaker 2>special empowerments, et cetera. It's still an oversight committee. People

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<v Speaker 2>must remember now. It's very useful in that more things

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<v Speaker 2>can be added to the public record through this, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of the commentary from these sometimes ignorance, sometimes confused, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes over politicized parties that are involved. The overall and

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<v Speaker 2>net gains here are going to be about adding to

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<v Speaker 2>the public record previously unseen materials. In my opinion, What

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<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not an investigative committee. They're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>vet those tapes. They're not going to investigate them. They're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to you know, they will accumulate information. As

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<v Speaker 3>a matter of fact, I gave him some contextual information

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<v Speaker 3>from the era of the tapes, talking work with Billy Saul,

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<v Speaker 3>providing affidavids and statements to lawyers, his lawyer in Texas

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<v Speaker 3>affirming that he had those tapes and what was on

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<v Speaker 3>them and that thing, and that will be part of

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<v Speaker 3>the collection.

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<v Speaker 4>So that it's not an investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody is going to vet that to absolutely guarantee that

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<v Speaker 3>those are real. It just becomes part of the history

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<v Speaker 3>of the subject, which is which is what it was oversight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that literally, the thing is is there's stuff out

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<v Speaker 3>into the record, you know, But of course you've got

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<v Speaker 4>If you don't give it to them, you can talk

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that I was going to discuss

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<v Speaker 3>the AARB internal conversations have been released. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's very important because we wondered for ages, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>information they were collecting, because they weren't an investigation either, right,

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<v Speaker 3>for records that hadn't been collected, very similar task. But

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting thing is, you know what did they think

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<v Speaker 4>Got some really good stuff. We have to interpret it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that wasn't their tasks. Their task was.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the the.

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<v Speaker 3>An example of that being they did investigate the rumors

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<v Speaker 3>and gossips from Fledger Prouty about the you know, shutting

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<v Speaker 3>that was a conversation, that was a dialogue. They investigated

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<v Speaker 3>that and they actually it's already been available in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of what their investigation turned up, what they found their

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<v Speaker 2>You in a way Larry, wouldn't you say it's comparable

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways too, when we got a hold of

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<v Speaker 2>the executive sessions of the Warren Commission and therefore could

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<v Speaker 2>at least get a sense of the internal conversations that

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<v Speaker 2>were occurring. Is that about right?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's absolutely we.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen sixty four, you would have thought that the

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<v Speaker 3>Warrent commissioned and Commission members and commission staff were totally

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<v Speaker 3>in agreement with each other. Right, this is hardcore conclusions.

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<v Speaker 3>We all agree, there are no problems. We're all in

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<v Speaker 3>the same, you know, until we got what you just described.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it was a shock to see a letter

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<v Speaker 3>staff members to the senior staff are going, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>all of the stuff that we're saying about Oswald and

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<v Speaker 3>the rifle and as the shooter is bogus.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't say this because people are going to pick

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<v Speaker 3>You know, It's like a fifteen page internal memo and

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<v Speaker 3>the guy, you know, he was ignored and they put

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<v Speaker 3>it all into the report. But you know, it gave

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<v Speaker 3>us a whole new perspective on the work of the

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<v Speaker 3>Warrant Commission. I think this will give us a new

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<v Speaker 3>perspective on the work of the ARB to some extent,

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<v Speaker 3>because what we've seen up to now is the product.

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<v Speaker 3>We have not seen the process necessarily. And one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things I'm seeing right off and some of the

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<v Speaker 3>dialogue is the ARB really again, there weren't conspiracy researchers

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<v Speaker 3>in the group. They didn't have the context that we have,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like the HCA. Yeah, although they all collect information,

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<v Speaker 3>but they don't have the contest necessarily to process and

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<v Speaker 3>challenge and go deeper with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Although there's a minor exception there when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>Doug Horn, because he had different ideas and he has

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<v Speaker 2>publicly presented his internal thoughts as he remembers them, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>And many documents and has given us at least one

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<v Speaker 2>perspective from behind the closed doors of the ARB. Regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of what you think about his five volume set, it

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<v Speaker 2>is extensive and it is pretty thorough in my opinion

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<v Speaker 2>regarding a lot of the points of contention that Horn

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<v Speaker 2>was involved indirectly, Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally agree.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny that each of these groups, if you go

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<v Speaker 3>back to the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission really only

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<v Speaker 3>had a couple of investigators right, and they ended up

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<v Speaker 3>getting fired because they raised too many questions about Jack Ruby.

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<v Speaker 3>The House Select Committee had gateon Fonsi, who got neutered

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<v Speaker 3>internally and told, oh, we're not really conducting a criminal investigation,

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<v Speaker 3>so stop that sting operation that you're putting together that

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<v Speaker 3>would have disclosed who actually was in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 2>Well change, and there's the change of the head administrator

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<v Speaker 2>there regarding Richard Sprigg to begin with, before the work

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<v Speaker 2>even really started to take place.

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<v Speaker 3>As I'm saying with it's kind of interesting that each

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<v Speaker 3>one of them, as with Doug, as with Dug Hord,

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<v Speaker 3>each one of them had somebody essentially that was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of rogue inside the operation, pushing them to do things

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<v Speaker 3>that they didn't really want to do, you know, that

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<v Speaker 3>weren't politically correct. So Doug's work and pushing the metal

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<v Speaker 3>glen Quarries is awesome. It just it's just think what

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<v Speaker 3>would happen if all of those groups had been composed

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<v Speaker 3>of a dozen different Doug Horns or Gate and Fonzi's.

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<v Speaker 4>Or you know, but they weren't or imagine actually lucky

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<v Speaker 4>that they had.

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<v Speaker 2>Won, right, Or imagine if the HSCA Medical Panel had

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<v Speaker 2>more than one guy similar to Cyril wect on it

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<v Speaker 2>because there were I think eight of them and he

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<v Speaker 2>was just one and was not the head. Michael Bobdom

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<v Speaker 2>was the head of the Medical you know commission, part

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<v Speaker 2>part of the House Select Committee. Sorry I didn't state

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<v Speaker 2>that very well, but I think you know what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting at here. There there was occasionally someone in there

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<v Speaker 2>who was pushing to the non official conclusion, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>And they did exist, as you know, to varying degrees

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<v Speaker 2>of success regarding what it was they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>preserve in the record. But now we're getting a look

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<v Speaker 2>finally had an overview, if you will, not just from

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<v Speaker 2>the one dissenter, not just you know, from the public

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<v Speaker 2>statements made afterwards. I mean, Sarah Weck dissented right away

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<v Speaker 2>publicly even about what was going on with the HSCA.

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<v Speaker 2>But did he get a lot of traction with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not much, quite frankly. And it wasn't his fault. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just that wasn't what people were taking in at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>was it, etc. You know. And there was a whole

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<v Speaker 2>campaign for some years, even after the Warren Commission was released,

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<v Speaker 2>in the media where representatives went out there and absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>went on a mission to counter anything that contradicted the

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<v Speaker 2>Warren Commission's conclusions on radio, on television, internationally even and

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<v Speaker 2>you know it was Mark Lane versus whoever, whatever group

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<v Speaker 2>they could put together that were pro commissioned, some of

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<v Speaker 2>them former Commission members. And you know about this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure Larry, you're at least vaguely aware of the I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I studied this extensively, and some people don't take the

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<v Speaker 2>time to know about it. But uh, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>Leebler out there, you know, Wesley Liebler, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>out there speaking about stuff and so on and so on, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Leebler Leebeler is the fellow that I was talking about

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<v Speaker 3>who wrote the memos saying if we can't put all

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<v Speaker 3>of this in the report, it's bogus, we can't support it.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was ignored.

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<v Speaker 3>But so to kind of summer up what's going on,

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<v Speaker 3>we're just in the midst of this happening, and and

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of people may be frustrated, and

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<v Speaker 3>they may think that all of this effort is it

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<v Speaker 3>is not going to produce anything that's not necessarily true.

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<v Speaker 3>There are lots of loose ends that can be wrapped up.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, on the on the m l K side,

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<v Speaker 3>uh we we still will we or will we not

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<v Speaker 3>get the the internal records from the m LK work

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<v Speaker 3>of the HSCA committee is still an open issue.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know that we will, we don't. We know

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<v Speaker 4>that they've been asked for.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the interesting thing about this is that across

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<v Speaker 3>this gamut of the investigations, there are a dozen fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>or more big things that we've had questions about for

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<v Speaker 3>decades that now have been requested by Luna.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what you think of her.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, official requests have been filed. You know letters

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<v Speaker 3>have been filed. You have this, you need to turn

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<v Speaker 3>it over.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's it. That's progress in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 3>So in trying to stay in touch with what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on across the gamut, probably the hardest place at the

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<v Speaker 3>moment is to find out find out what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>with the UAPs, the UFOs as it were, Because you've

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<v Speaker 3>got Luna's committee, you've got a congressionally charted government department

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<v Speaker 3>that was created to do the work, and you've got

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<v Speaker 3>the President's office that's releasing documents willy nilly on its

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<v Speaker 3>own totally disconnected.

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<v Speaker 4>From the other two sources.

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<v Speaker 3>So to try to parse through all of that to

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<v Speaker 3>determine if you're really getting anything new.

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<v Speaker 4>Is an interesting thing. And what we're finding out is,

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<v Speaker 3>Sum that up is everybody is perfectly willing to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about what's happening overseas with you. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to look at what is being released from the

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<v Speaker 3>Anomalies Office, you see some fine reports of these unidentified

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<v Speaker 3>objects in the golf on our golf, their golf, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>off Ron off Emmon, But you don't see anything coming

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<v Speaker 3>out of reports from military basis.

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<v Speaker 4>In the US.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a fascinating thing because we know from

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<v Speaker 3>even public reporting that there have been major incidents at

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<v Speaker 3>Strike Command bases in Louisiana and Missouri, but those are

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<v Speaker 3>not showing up and what's being reported out, So clearly

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<v Speaker 3>there's a gap there. Somebody is withholding information. Why don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>But I guess the good and bad of it is

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<v Speaker 3>we've now reached a point where in most cases we

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<v Speaker 3>can identify what we're not being shown. That doesn't answer

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<v Speaker 3>the question, but at least we know what's being held back.

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<v Speaker 3>So we get all the way back to Peter Dale

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<v Speaker 3>Scott's reverse image. Right, don't look at what they're showing you,

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<v Speaker 3>look at what they're not showing you for what's really important.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and hey, look before we run out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Peter Dale Scott, you recently sent me a

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<v Speaker 2>few things and I now have a collection of some

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting videotapes and DVDs and DVD ROMs and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from my own collection and now joined by some things

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<v Speaker 2>that Larry just voluntarily gave over to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>which I am willing to offer to you know, re

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<v Speaker 2>home to someone. How about that. I'll make an agreement

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<v Speaker 2>to send them to somebody else if you want them

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<v Speaker 2>and know what they are, so you know that's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wonder if you wouldn't mind talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the well first, the presentation that's yours that's in there,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, there was a time before we had

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<v Speaker 2>because you know now even the CDs and all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff are sort of antiquated, there was a time when

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<v Speaker 2>we were all dealing with paper, and people that wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to organize or publish a small thing might actually go

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<v Speaker 2>to I don't know, a Kinko's or something and have

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<v Speaker 2>their pages bound together into a book format, and you

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<v Speaker 2>were one of those people. I have a Larry Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>presentation now in my possession. I have a Dale Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dale Scott presentation now in my possession, and a few

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<v Speaker 2>others which I'm willing to share with people. But could

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me a little bit about what's in your

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<v Speaker 2>presentation real quick, because yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, it's real history.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's got a spiral binding on it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for people that can remember those, it's like, wow, I

423
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<v Speaker 3>can remember when I got Peter Dale's Scott's Deep Politics.

424
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<v Speaker 3>And it's not a book, it's a collection just papers.

425
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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, before before electronic media and before artificial intelligence,

426
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<v Speaker 3>we just had limited intelligence we.

427
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<v Speaker 4>Have and copy machines. But yeah, what I did, and

428
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<v Speaker 4>this was.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Back in an era where every year I would call

430
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<v Speaker 3>it Debrah Conway and I'd say, deb you know, I've

431
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<v Speaker 3>spent the last uh, you know, two years getting documents

432
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<v Speaker 3>from NARA. Nothing was online Edrick Westam and in this case,

433
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<v Speaker 3>I've put together all the documents are available on Richard

434
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<v Speaker 3>case Neguel. I've done an analysis of it. It's very situational.

435
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<v Speaker 3>You've got to look at what the man was saying

436
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<v Speaker 3>at given times, what was going on with his life

437
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<v Speaker 3>at given times? Make something out of it. There's no

438
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<v Speaker 3>simple answer for it. And I think I went to

439
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<v Speaker 3>her and what would you say? Probably about one hundred

440
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<v Speaker 3>and twenty pages or so something like that, and it's like, well,

441
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<v Speaker 3>dev do you want to offer this at the conference?

442
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<v Speaker 3>You can do here, you go, just I'll present on it.

443
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.480
<v Speaker 3>You can offer it the conference, and there would happen.

444
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<v Speaker 4>You know. And that's what I sent you, Chuck, And

445
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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't exist anywhere else.

446
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<v Speaker 3>I will guarantee you there's stuff in that collection about

447
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<v Speaker 3>Miguel that is in nowhere else. It really isn't because

448
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 3>a lot of it came from newspaper reports, a lot

449
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 3>of it, you know. It just it's kind of unique

450
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 3>to that extent, and the analysis is quite unique. But

451
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<v Speaker 3>I wish that I had done the same thing. Actually,

452
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<v Speaker 3>later on, I did the same thing with Chrisman and Beckham,

453
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 3>names that are known from the Garrison investigation. And unfortunately,

454
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.519
<v Speaker 3>rather than just keeping it in paper, we put it

455
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<v Speaker 3>on DVDs. And as it turns out, that's actually a

456
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 3>mistake because paper will always be there. DVDs come and go,

457
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 3>and you've got the Togael thing. But I can't give

458
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<v Speaker 3>you the Chrismin and Beckham stuff because the DVDs went away.

459
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<v Speaker 4>Along the way. I don't even have a working copy

460
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<v Speaker 4>of one anymore.

461
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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot to be said when you're talking

462
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<v Speaker 3>about original research and paper, right, And I actually.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Do have a DVD of a the presentation that that

464
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<v Speaker 2>goes along with that Richard case Miguel, you know, bound

465
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<v Speaker 2>copy there. And again you know people talk about rare

466
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<v Speaker 2>books and oh this was printed this way. These things

467
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<v Speaker 2>were done by the dozens maybe you know at certain points,

468
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<v Speaker 2>like if you were lucky, you know, somebody sank a

469
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<v Speaker 2>lot of money into it actually to make a hundred

470
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<v Speaker 2>of them. You know, guys like Ray Marcus did that

471
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<v Speaker 2>where they made like one hundred or two hundred of

472
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<v Speaker 2>their bound pieces and they were handbound. Okay, And there's

473
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<v Speaker 2>some of my favorites. I bring up Ray Marcus all

474
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<v Speaker 2>the time because the Bastard Bullet and a dendem b

475
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<v Speaker 2>or both two pieces of essential reading in my head

476
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<v Speaker 2>on the case and they were homemade books basically monographs

477
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<v Speaker 2>if you will. You know that he produced himself. So

478
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<v Speaker 2>I loved that about it. You know, this was somebody

479
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<v Speaker 2>who not only took the time an effort to study

480
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<v Speaker 2>the thing, collect the information, get the images together, but

481
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<v Speaker 2>then bound them and mass produce them himself. That's how

482
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<v Speaker 2>badly he wanted it out there.

483
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<v Speaker 3>And well and then yeah, that brings up as an example, Chuck,

484
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<v Speaker 3>when the first edition of Someone Would Have Talked was

485
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<v Speaker 3>done exactly that way, and it was spiral bound. And

486
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<v Speaker 3>the interesting thing is that at the back of it

487
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<v Speaker 3>we put in the Noel Twyman's the transcript of Twyman's

488
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<v Speaker 3>interview with Roy Hargraves, where Roy Hargraves talks about going

489
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 3>to Dallas with Felipe Vidal, and you know, we put.

490
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<v Speaker 4>That in the book.

491
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<v Speaker 3>Well, then when we were ready to go to the

492
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<v Speaker 3>hardcover of the book, I got back in touch with

493
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.759
<v Speaker 3>Noel Twyman and Noel says, you can't use that anymore.

494
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.960
<v Speaker 4>What why? Well, because.

495
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Heming's brother called me up and said, there are

496
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<v Speaker 3>issues with that. You no longer have permission or can

497
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<v Speaker 3>grant permission for that to be reproduced. There's a long

498
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 3>story there, but as it ended up, we could not

499
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<v Speaker 3>put that in the in the next edition of the book.

500
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<v Speaker 3>So sometimes there are things that go into those originals

501
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<v Speaker 3>that that don't go on in time, and that I've

502
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<v Speaker 3>seen that on even a few years ago, I saw

503
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<v Speaker 3>a first edition of someone I've talked on, you know,

504
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.359
<v Speaker 3>available online for like one hundred and seventy five dollars.

505
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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's like, whoa, how did that happen? Well, okay,

506
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:37.880
<v Speaker 4>because it's kind of unique.

507
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<v Speaker 2>Plus Larry has to do the math that he was

508
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<v Speaker 2>probably getting ten bucks for them at the time pretty much. Yeah,

509
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<v Speaker 2>so you know, okay, so this went up, you know,

510
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<v Speaker 2>seventeen times price. Okay, how did I miss that? Also,

511
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<v Speaker 2>why I'm going to hang onto my copy spiral bound,

512
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<v Speaker 2>that one's mine. I'm keeping it even when I do

513
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<v Speaker 2>clear out my books, which I'm going to do very

514
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>soon as well. I'm going to offer up all the

515
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>books I have that, yeah, I don't think are essential

516
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 2>to me. Now that's a weird list, and yeah, everything

517
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<v Speaker 2>that says authored by Larry Hancock. Though I'm keeping at

518
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<v Speaker 2>least one copy of If I have too, you might

519
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>be able to get it from me. But anyway, I

520
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<v Speaker 2>just wanted that note. But Larry, we've really kind of

521
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<v Speaker 2>run up against the time that I wanted to spend

522
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<v Speaker 2>with you, and I think that you had for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So is there anything else you want to add here

524
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<v Speaker 2>that we didn't get to real quick on your way

525
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<v Speaker 2>out the door.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I think that pretty well.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Clever's what's going on as to the extent that I

528
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.640
<v Speaker 3>could stay in touch with it. It's kind of like

529
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<v Speaker 3>a moving target.

530
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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're going to find out more from this

532
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 3>process than we might have voked.

533
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<v Speaker 4>It's not easy.

534
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<v Speaker 3>It's it's more like the erratus she You know, you

535
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.039
<v Speaker 3>learn a lot from Arata, but there are no smoking

536
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<v Speaker 3>guns that just leap out at you.

537
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<v Speaker 4>You got to work for it.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing to me that's interesting is that there are

539
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<v Speaker 2>some people that are overly optimistic about this kind of

540
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<v Speaker 2>thing and there are some people that are so pessimistic

541
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<v Speaker 2>about it that you know, look, I understand the pessimism,

542
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<v Speaker 2>but neither one of the extremes is correct. You're going

543
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.759
<v Speaker 2>to land somewhere in the middle. Okay, we're not going

544
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<v Speaker 2>to get nothing out of this. It's not going to

545
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 2>be a total nothing burger. But like you said, don't

546
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>expect the smoking guns either. So you know, you got

547
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>to temper this a bit.

548
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 3>And sometimes closing out things is good. Learning that something

549
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of like, yes, it did exist, it was on

550
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 3>was real. Here it is, I can look at it.

551
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Putting some of the mysteries to bed is not a

552
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 3>bad thing, even if they don't solve the case, and

553
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 3>just putting it to bed is a good thing exactly.

554
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<v Speaker 2>So, anyway, you do go to Larry Hancock's blog, there

555
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>will be a link in the description with the show

556
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<v Speaker 2>and all that in the show notes, I will give

557
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<v Speaker 2>you that a link to go pick up the Oswald Puzzle,

558
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<v Speaker 2>which is definitely something I'm more than happy to tell

559
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<v Speaker 2>you I recommend highly. And you know, just really quickly though,

560
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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I put Malcolm Blunt in front of

561
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<v Speaker 2>you on the super team for documents related to the

562
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<v Speaker 2>jfkkse if I could put it together. You're not mad

563
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.279
<v Speaker 2>at me for that, are you? No?

564
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<v Speaker 3>And he's taller too, so that sounds fair. If we're

565
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>going to a basketball game, he's certainly up front.

566
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<v Speaker 2>No basketball, he's got you, I'm sorry, he just does.

567
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<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to documents stuff though, it's not

568
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<v Speaker 2>like Larry's a slouch. I'm just saying that Malcolm's a

569
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<v Speaker 2>little special in this way. And I can tell you

570
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<v Speaker 2>that more than one author who is intelligent, sometimes confident,

571
00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 2>sometimes overconfident, even ego maniacal people. And I do claim

572
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 2>to have met some of them in the JFK universe.

573
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<v Speaker 2>You know what, A lot of them will defer to

574
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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Blunt for a reason, is all I'm saying. The

575
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 2>guy has been one of the most knowledgeable people regarding

576
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<v Speaker 2>this stuff and has been one of the best directors

577
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 2>for suggestions. If you needed to know something, couldn't find

578
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>it yourself, and you had ten people looking for it,

579
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you might just have to ask Malcolm Blunt and he

580
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>might know it off the top of his head.

581
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<v Speaker 3>He has spent more he has spent more time at

582
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<v Speaker 3>the National Archives than any normal saying human being could

583
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<v Speaker 3>even consider me.

584
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<v Speaker 2>So I gave you the the you know, the bottom line,

585
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and Larry told you why he has that knowledge in

586
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>some ways. But also he has a special retention for it.

587
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is. It's just I don't

588
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<v Speaker 2>even know what to call that skill, but it's a

589
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>talent that he has and always had ever since I

590
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.639
<v Speaker 2>heard of him. Anyway, And like I said, I can't

591
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<v Speaker 2>think of an author, a major author on the case

592
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 2>that if they were working heavily with documents at a

593
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<v Speaker 2>certain point, didn't either consult Malcolm directly or look at

594
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<v Speaker 2>what Malcolm had to say about it regarding certain documentation,

595
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the validity of it, sometimes when things were falsified, sometimes

596
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 2>when things were altered, the differences between one document and another,

597
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, the nuances in there. Malcolm was your guy.

598
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it maybe partially as a result of that,

599
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 2>but I also think just it's one of those things

600
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 2>that he just has. And yeah, I would call him

601
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.239
<v Speaker 2>definitely a documents expert on the case. I'd call you

602
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:43.079
<v Speaker 2>that too, Larry.

603
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.360
<v Speaker 3>And he always shared it that the huge thing from Malcolm.

604
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Malcolm never kept anything back. He would always share stuff

605
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 3>to the extent that when we go to Dallas, it

606
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 3>would be is Malcolm here, And then you'd look around

607
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 3>and Malcolm is kind of flipping you ten or fifteen

608
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 3>pages of papers, just like, Okay, yeah he's here, he's

609
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 3>behind that plant over there.

610
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<v Speaker 4>But he gave me some stuff, yep.

611
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<v Speaker 2>And that's the other thing is that he was very

612
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<v Speaker 2>open to working with virtually anyone who was serious. So

613
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 2>there you go, and was helpful at all points. And

614
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean it was as in past tense, but

615
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this is the experience I know, I have

616
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>heard about and I have witnessed, so you know there

617
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 2>it is. Anyway, That's why I made those comments, and

618
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<v Speaker 2>we talked about all the updates I think we could,

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<v Speaker 2>and Larry, thanks again for doing this with me. I

620
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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it, and so glad to continue to have

621
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<v Speaker 2>you about every other week or so on the show

622
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 2>to keep us updated and let us know when your

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<v Speaker 2>next piece of work is coming out, because you do

624
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<v Speaker 2>have some stuff upcoming, but maybe well, yeah, yeah, good.

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<v Speaker 4>The UAP book. The first book.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be.

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Wars with air strikes and tanks by Larry Hancock.

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<v Speaker 6>Secret wars became a staple of US covert operations and

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<v Speaker 6>are still happening today. Larry Hancock's book In Denial rips

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<v Speaker 6>the cover off many of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Using new files.

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<v Speaker 6>It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 6>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 6>really failed and why the United States did not learn

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<v Speaker 6>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 6>doing secret operations with more success. This is the book

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<v Speaker 6>that puts what some want to deny into the light.

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<v Speaker 6>In Denial secret wars with air strikes and tanks Larry Hancock.

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<v Speaker 6>For more information, go to Larry hyphen Handcock dot com.

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<v Speaker 6>Pick up your copy of In Denial at Amazon dot

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<v Speaker 7>Uncle, do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said

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<v Speaker 4>Ooh that's interesting, Yeah in the clutch?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, did that ever work out too good?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it didn't didn't.

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