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Speaker 2: So I just went and checked upstairs, and it's not
Speaker 2: pouring as far as the rain, but it's it's still raining.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not sprinkling.
Speaker 2: It's above sprinkling, but not like a consistent you know,
Speaker 2: like it's one of those kind of things where you've
Speaker 2: got your you got your wipers on. But it's probably
Speaker 2: either at the low at the slowest speed or the
Speaker 2: second to slowest speed. I think there's four different speeds
Speaker 2: in my car. This would be as speed number two.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's different where. I mean, you could
Speaker 2: be listening. I mean, I'm sure we got people listening
Speaker 2: all over the planet, because that's that's the reach of
Speaker 2: Coffee and Company at least let me believe that.
Speaker 3: But you could be.
Speaker 2: Hell, you could be few streets over and maybe it's
Speaker 2: rain and harder. I don't know, But man, mother Nature,
Speaker 2: she's a she's an evil woman. She's a cold, cold lady.
Speaker 2: Because we avoided rain like this for a long time,
Speaker 2: and sure enough on Halloween, as the day moved on
Speaker 2: and we got closer and closer to trick or treat
Speaker 2: time that's when that's when this happened, and it's it's
Speaker 2: a real shame. So I'm trying not to let it
Speaker 2: impact the Halloween vibes, but it's hard not to because
Speaker 2: you know, this isn't what you want. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not trick or treating myself, but you know, I'm
Speaker 2: at the age where I remind myself and I don't
Speaker 2: really need to remind myself, but I you know, if
Speaker 2: I ever needed the reminder, I would be ready to
Speaker 2: you know, to take not take for granted to the
Speaker 2: fact that my kids still like doing this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: There'll be a time where they're not into it and
Speaker 2: they you know, they want to go do their own thing,
Speaker 2: or they're too cool, they don't want to do a costume.
Speaker 2: So you know, that's a good thing about the innocence
Speaker 2: of children. You know, they're they're not happy, I'm sure
Speaker 2: with the weather, but like they'll make the most of
Speaker 2: it because they're they're you know, the kids. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think of, like how my kids are going to
Speaker 2: do now. That was Sorry for the pause there, the
Speaker 2: slight delay because you know, nobody wants to be out
Speaker 2: in the rain, but I kind of feel like as
Speaker 2: much as my kids, and I know a lot of
Speaker 2: kids are probably the same way.
Speaker 3: They love trick or treating.
Speaker 2: That Like, if it's just a light drizzle, if they
Speaker 2: got a hood on or something, they'll probably just roll
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: And that's the way you should do it.
Speaker 2: Now, what I also hope is that and again, if
Speaker 2: you're just putting out candy at your in your garage,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people sometimes in our neighborhood will
Speaker 2: set up like a I mean, in fact, that's what
Speaker 2: makes our neighborhood so awesome for trick or treating. A
Speaker 2: lot of people really just treat their driveway as like
Speaker 2: a tailgate at a college football game. I Mean, there
Speaker 2: are people in our neighborhood they don't have kids, but
Speaker 2: they'll they'll set out, they'll they'll have their you know,
Speaker 2: their beers, they're they're they're they're grilling, they're you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're giving out candy, but really just you know,
Speaker 2: taking in the vibes. So hopefully we can we can
Speaker 2: make the most of it. Tonight, all right, it's Coffee
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have this. I don't know what I would do.
Speaker 3: Somebody asked me that.
Speaker 2: The other day, John, if you didn't if you didn't
Speaker 2: work in radio, what would you do?
Speaker 3: And like it kind of hit me. Man, I don't
Speaker 3: really know.
Speaker 4: I've not been asked that directly, but I think about
Speaker 4: it probably more often than I should, just because I
Speaker 4: feel like, really every one of us in our industry
Speaker 4: are kind of worried about the day that maybe we
Speaker 4: have to figure something else out. But I don't know,
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about it either.
Speaker 2: You could say that about not only industries, but just
Speaker 2: you know, you never know. Sometimes your job can just
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, in fact, that's happened here with
Speaker 2: us that it doesn't have a whole lot to do
Speaker 2: with the overall world of you know, this industry that
Speaker 2: is radio. But you know, jobs can just disappear, and
Speaker 2: it's a sad thing. But I mean, you're but you're
Speaker 2: like you're brand new in you're maybe you're not brand new,
Speaker 2: but like you got out of school and this has
Speaker 2: really been your career, right, yes, and that's awesome. I
Speaker 2: you know, I've been able to make in my career
Speaker 2: for about ten years now, which I I you know,
Speaker 2: it's one of those things that I've always just felt like, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't know how long this is gonna last.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make the most of it.
Speaker 2: But every now and then I think to myself, I've
Speaker 2: been doing this a lot longer than I than I
Speaker 2: often realize. So I used to work in software and
Speaker 2: I actually did like that, Like I enjoyed I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe that's nerd stuff in me, but I
Speaker 2: enjoyed software testing software QA like that was kind of
Speaker 2: my my field. And uh, maybe I would go back
Speaker 2: to that, but I'm sure a lot of things have
Speaker 2: changed since the last time I did that, So I
Speaker 2: don't know, let's let's not think about it. So again,
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Speaker 2: Blue Chew oh Ellen and Federal Credit Union. You kidding me,
Speaker 2: I gotta forget them. They've been with us for a
Speaker 2: long time. So thank you to all of those people,
Speaker 2: and thank you to those if you do support them,
Speaker 2: and if you don't, please keep in mind so I
Speaker 2: don't have to, you know, be homeless. That's a stretch.
Speaker 2: I don't think that would happen. But you know, I
Speaker 2: really don't know. I'm kind of spazzing out here. I
Speaker 2: think both of us are like, what would we do?
Speaker 2: We probably just take this to the internet, right, and just.
Speaker 4: I mean already both kind of done something like that before,
Speaker 4: and I've been testing it out with my own Indiana stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you you have the best of both worlds because
Speaker 2: you are I mean, you work for a monster that
Speaker 2: is iHeartMedia, and we've got a phenomenal family of stations,
Speaker 2: and clearly our bread is still buttered with radio and
Speaker 2: everything that comes with it. But the visual side of
Speaker 2: things is clearly a big thing now and we've tried
Speaker 2: to do it until they told us, hey, you can't
Speaker 2: do that, which again makes sense. But you know, there
Speaker 2: are some that if this thing just ended one day,
Speaker 2: and I don't mean this show, but I mean, like,
Speaker 2: you know, if there ever was a big change to
Speaker 2: AM radio, which that could happen, there'd be a lot
Speaker 2: of folks that wouldn't you know, I guess know where
Speaker 2: to start as far as the new world when it
Speaker 2: comes to the digital side of this broadcasting, content creation,
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So but hey, we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna ride this thing to the wheels fall off.
Speaker 3: Sehn.
Speaker 2: Don't you ever consider leaving me? Okay I've never said that,
Speaker 2: but don't you ever think about it?
Speaker 3: Please? Don't. It would be it wouldn't be as enjoyable.
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, real quick, before we get back into
Speaker 2: the obvious, we've got to talk a little more about
Speaker 2: this Louisville Clemson matchup on Saturday. Well, we'll share with
Speaker 2: you sort of the the takeaways from our conversation earlier
Speaker 2: with Alex Cupper. Obviously, uh, Kentucky. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: their fans have absolutely moved on from football, like they're
Speaker 2: gonna watch the Kentucky Tennessee game, but like they're they're done.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I get it.
Speaker 2: I totally get it. And we got some football tonight
Speaker 2: to get into, so we will do that. But this
Speaker 2: is something that I thought about it earlier today. Louisville
Speaker 2: and Kentucky themed Halloween costumes currently are over the years.
Speaker 2: So the reason I thought of this is because I
Speaker 2: have two friends who did a real easy but real
Speaker 2: effective Pat Kelsey Halloween costume.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You wear you know, the khaki joggers, some Adida's shoes,
Speaker 2: a UFL basketball polo, and if you have a similar
Speaker 2: haircut and a somewhat similar build, you throw on those
Speaker 2: big glasses and it works. I mean, my buddy Benji,
Speaker 2: he pulled it off. He doesn't look as much like him,
Speaker 2: but with everything else, you know, he made it work.
Speaker 2: And then another buddy of mine, Rick Gibson, he actually
Speaker 2: looks like Pat Kelsey in general, but he put on
Speaker 2: like the you know, he put on the outfit essentially,
Speaker 2: which is you know, everybody's wearing the same thing, and like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't think.
Speaker 3: It was pat but like it looks a lot like him,
Speaker 3: so it's.
Speaker 2: Kind of easy to do. I remember years ago it
Speaker 2: was adorable too. It wasn't as if everybody was doing it,
Speaker 2: but I remember a few different kids dressed up in
Speaker 2: Teddy Bear costumes with a Teddy Bridgewater jersey over top
Speaker 2: of it. It was so adorable, and Teddy was a
Speaker 2: you know, he's a made man at that time, and
Speaker 2: because his name is Teddy, it gave you a chance to,
Speaker 2: you know, get creative with it. You couldn't just mean
Speaker 2: you could throw a jersey on and say you're Teddy,
Speaker 2: but you know where in the Teddy Bear actually makes it.
Speaker 2: It makes it make a little more sense. This is
Speaker 2: a Kentucky fan outfit that was very, very common for
Speaker 2: a while, Katina Pal. I don't think Louisville fans were
Speaker 2: dressing ups, Katina Pale. But you dress up like a
Speaker 2: like a you know, a nasty prostitute, and you know,
Speaker 2: make yourself appear like that, then you can you can.
Speaker 2: And I think usually the ones I saw whenever it
Speaker 2: was more of a popular thing, whenever you wouldn't you know,
Speaker 2: you go to a Halloween party around here with adults,
Speaker 2: there'd be somebody dressed up as Katina pal and like
Speaker 2: a woman would do the Katina pal thing and then
Speaker 2: her husband boyfriend.
Speaker 3: He would make it.
Speaker 2: More clear as to who his wife or girlfriend was
Speaker 2: by either dressing as Rick Patino or dressing as an
Speaker 2: FBI uh agent. It was like the It was like
Speaker 2: the oh, you're making fun of U of L for
Speaker 2: two different scandals, right, prostitutes in the dorm and the
Speaker 2: FBI came in and wanted to snatch up Rick Pattino.
Speaker 2: And we didn't give him a whole lot of ammunition,
Speaker 2: did we?
Speaker 3: Right? We didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't made it easy for our rival
Speaker 2: to make fun of us, have we. We didn't have
Speaker 2: a coach having sex on a table at an Italian restaurant,
Speaker 2: did we?
Speaker 3: Was that? Did I dream that?
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of Rick Patino Kentucky oh and
Speaker 2: three since his ash showed up in Lexington, you think
Speaker 2: there was a chance maybe it was all strategic on
Speaker 2: Rick's part. He does love us, I mean I don't
Speaker 2: believe that for a second, but will be wild if
Speaker 2: he wanted to just like now that that now that
Speaker 2: they're you know, like if if Duke mops Kentucky and
Speaker 2: the Champions Classic. Rick now knows that both Josh Hurd
Speaker 2: and Pat Kelsey have said on record that he's welcome
Speaker 2: back anytime his players have called him out for lying
Speaker 2: about saying he's never been welcomed back, Like what if
Speaker 2: Rick did just say, yeah, you know what, Saint John's Uh,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of bored up here in New York. You know,
Speaker 2: Saint John's basketball probably ninth or tenth in line when
Speaker 2: it comes to what matters with New York sports. Probably
Speaker 2: not even that, to be honest with you, probably worse
Speaker 2: than that. Yeah, let me you know, because if Rick's
Speaker 2: got a chance to make something about himself, he'll do it,
Speaker 2: and he's good at it. Clearly tongue in cheek here
Speaker 2: because I believe his UK stuff was real, But you know,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some point where he does want to
Speaker 2: come back here. And it worked because he did it,
Speaker 2: and it led to you know, people realizing he's still
Speaker 2: bitter about ul for reasons that are silly, and it
Speaker 2: got a lot of attention for him to go back
Speaker 2: to Kentucky. It took attention away from Mark Pope, which
Speaker 2: people can say that wasn't his motive. Maybe it wasn't,
Speaker 2: but look, that's what Rick does. If he's got a
Speaker 2: chance to make it all about him, he's gonna do it.
Speaker 2: But now it's on record that he's invited back and
Speaker 2: maybe will come back at some.
Speaker 4: Point, how long until he's at Reperena once again watching
Speaker 4: Mark Pope coach a game.
Speaker 2: You think that happens this season, it'd be a really
Speaker 2: bad look if if it happened this season. I don't
Speaker 2: care if you have an off day, if you're just
Speaker 2: going to a game.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just weird. That's weird, weird.
Speaker 2: I mean season, you're right, always weird. But two things,
Speaker 2: it's Rick. Rick can get away with doing things that
Speaker 2: every other coach, if they did it, we'd say what
Speaker 2: the hell's going on?
Speaker 3: But it's Rick.
Speaker 2: But also there is a clear level of like, you know,
Speaker 2: the story does does you know, make it to where
Speaker 2: it's not as weird, meaning that his former player of
Speaker 2: this is coaching the program now and he couldn't come
Speaker 2: back whenever col is there, like you know, and he
Speaker 2: wouldn't And that wasn't that was never gonna happen. So
Speaker 2: but yes, it's it's it's always been weird and Rick
Speaker 2: does Rick does weird stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm curious that maybe if he.
Speaker 2: Lasts in college basketball for another five six years and
Speaker 2: you know, he isn't terrible, but also is not a
Speaker 2: real contender in the grand scheme of things when it
Speaker 2: comes to like win in national championships, if he still
Speaker 2: does this kind of stuff, I'm curious if like that
Speaker 2: becomes really part of the brand and legacy. I mean,
Speaker 2: he'll always be viewed as one of the best coaches
Speaker 2: ever in college and as much as Lowell fans maybe
Speaker 2: bitter towards him or maybe you're not, I don't know,
Speaker 2: And even I mean, I don't know anybody that would
Speaker 2: claim Rick is not a great coach, you know, so
Speaker 2: that'll always be part of his legacy and how people
Speaker 2: remember him. But you know the fact that he's even
Speaker 2: on Twitter and he makes jokes and he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: seeming to be at least one percent relatable, Like that alone.
Speaker 3: Is crazy to think about.
Speaker 2: Like, I heard a podcast that Chris Brickley was on.
Speaker 2: It's one of the NBA podcasts where and for those
Speaker 2: wh don't remember Chris Brickley played at u of L
Speaker 2: for I think just one season, transferred from might have
Speaker 2: been Vermont or something like that, and he wanted to
Speaker 2: get into basketball coaching and training, and now he's the
Speaker 2: lead trainer in the NBA. I mean, he trained some
Speaker 2: of the best players in the world and he's made
Speaker 2: a name for himself. But he came to Louisville because he,
Speaker 2: you know, thought he could potentially play a little bit,
Speaker 2: but also he wanted to learn from Rick. And he
Speaker 2: was sharing a story about just how hard it was
Speaker 2: practicing with him, and it was basically he was going
Speaker 2: up against you know, Jerry Smith, Edgar Sosa, I don't
Speaker 2: remember who else was on the team, but like really
Speaker 2: good guards that pressed you for a whole game. So
Speaker 2: here he is a walk on at u of L
Speaker 2: because he transferred up from a D two level and
Speaker 2: he's turned the ball over like crazy in practice, and
Speaker 2: every time he turns it over, he's got to go
Speaker 2: run the treadmill. And then he got to the point
Speaker 2: where if he did it again, Rick was gonna make
Speaker 2: him run outside and hold something over his head. And
Speaker 2: this question came up because he was asked about his
Speaker 2: experience at Louisville and how much he learned from Rick Patino,
Speaker 2: and he just came out and said, Man, I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you, I hated my time at Louisville. I
Speaker 2: was miserable and it was because of how challenged he was,
Speaker 2: how pushed he was. And you know, he later said
Speaker 2: that it took him a few years to realize like
Speaker 2: he got so much from that experience. He was pushed
Speaker 2: to a level he wouldn't push himself too, and it
Speaker 2: made him a lot better. And Montrez actually shared it.
Speaker 2: That's where I saw the video and he said, Man,
Speaker 2: if this doesn't hit home, And I think that's what
Speaker 2: made Rick such a great coach is that he would.
Speaker 2: I mean, Donovan talks about it all the time, like
Speaker 2: he learned about himself as a player and as a
Speaker 2: competitor because of how hard.
Speaker 3: Rick pushed him.
Speaker 2: So I bring all that up to say that Rick,
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's coaching at Saint John's right now.
Speaker 2: I think there's more of a lighthearted Rick that is
Speaker 2: not as intense, and I think it's because he's getting older.
Speaker 2: He was away from the game for a while and honestly,
Speaker 2: you can't do it that way and not expect guys
Speaker 2: to leave every every now and then. And to be fair,
Speaker 2: Rick has been an NBA coach before. Wasn't as successful
Speaker 2: at Boston as he was in New York. But maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe his experience in managing guys making more
Speaker 2: money than him at that time, like maybe it does
Speaker 2: give him the ability to potentially navigate this better than others.
Speaker 2: But the way he coached at Louisville and really the
Speaker 2: way he coached at Kentucky, I mean, that's nothing like
Speaker 2: the NBA. I mean, Rick was a very demanding coach
Speaker 2: that was a hard ass and that's not really how
Speaker 2: it's done now in the professional ranks. But again, college
Speaker 2: sports seemingly has turned in the turned into the professional ranks.
Speaker 2: Oh so, somebody here on the text line is sending
Speaker 2: a picture. I don't know if it's your kid or not,
Speaker 2: but yes, it's the Teddy Bear with the Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 2: jersey on it. That that might be the best Louisville
Speaker 2: Halloween themed costume I can I can think of somebody
Speaker 2: else sent in a picture of Uh, I assume your daughter.
Speaker 3: Dressed up as you have all cheerleader. That's a good one.
Speaker 2: You really can't get that creative like the Teddy one,
Speaker 2: you know, in the Pat Kelsey one. Really it's just
Speaker 2: because of circumstance. Pat Kelsey's a pretty you know. All
Speaker 2: it comes down to is are you relatively similar as
Speaker 2: far as your frame and do you have shorter short
Speaker 2: enough hair? Throwing those glasses, throwing a polo and like
Speaker 2: people will probably know who you're trying to be any
Speaker 2: Indiana Halloween theme, like if you're signetti, I mean you
Speaker 2: just look like a hard ass.
Speaker 3: And just maybe walking games cigarettes. Yeah, well, but does
Speaker 3: he smoke? He doesn't. Actually, he actually addressed the whole
Speaker 3: smoking meme.
Speaker 4: Yeah, during one of his press conferences recently.
Speaker 2: Because like it makes sense and it's awesome, like the
Speaker 2: the Marlborough looking logo that has signetti instead of Marlborough,
Speaker 2: Like that's freaking awesome. But that's I mean, leaning into
Speaker 2: it is phenomenal for branding and whatnot. But you know, again,
Speaker 2: the cigarette thing, like it might you know, if you're
Speaker 2: walking around with an Indiana polo on and you put
Speaker 2: on the khakis, you tuck him in, you look like
Speaker 2: you look the part as a guy on the sideline
Speaker 2: of a football game. You do, and you put a
Speaker 2: cigarette in your ear and a whistle around your neck,
Speaker 2: then maybe like that would be more of a tell
Speaker 2: as to what you're trying to be, because you know,
Speaker 2: Signette's not as easy of a guy, and he's a
Speaker 2: pretty normal looking guy. But Pat Kelsey really the glasses
Speaker 2: that's what makes you know, that's what makes it really recognizable,
Speaker 2: because it's not something that you necessarily see from from
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of coaches out there. And to
Speaker 2: be fair, when we this wasn't when we were on
Speaker 2: the air at the ACC tip off, but like people,
Speaker 2: you know, he was asking to people think that his
Speaker 2: like his glasses, like are they for looks? And I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not, really, those are legitimate prescription glasses
Speaker 2: that like he doesn't see well without. Now, obviously he
Speaker 2: could get a different style, a different look, but it's
Speaker 2: not just an accessory. He got them from Lenz Crafters,
Speaker 2: and uh, he needs them or he probably won't be
Speaker 2: able to. I don't know how bad his vision is,
Speaker 2: but it never it never dawned on me that he
Speaker 2: he might think that people would assume that it's just
Speaker 2: like a look, which hey, I mean, I know, I
Speaker 2: mean that's not I mean, it's not an unheard of
Speaker 2: thing for people to throw on something like that four
Speaker 2: looks more than needing it for vision. But usually, you know,
Speaker 2: college coaches and people in the public eye, wouldn't you know,
Speaker 2: coaches in general wouldn't typically wouldn't typically do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've made the PJ. Fleck comparison a couple
Speaker 4: of times between Pat Kelsey and him, and they it's
Speaker 4: not that they both look the exact same, but he
Speaker 4: he makes some interesting fashion choices. I think his is
Speaker 4: more so for personal preference.
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, and he's he's more I think his style
Speaker 2: on the sideline is more of like a I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's very weird.
Speaker 4: He's one of the he maybe the only current head
Speaker 4: coach that where like a tie on the sideline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is he honor? Did I see that
Speaker 2: he was like honoring somebody? Like didn't a former Minnesota
Speaker 2: coach dress like that or something?
Speaker 4: If that's the case, I'm unaware, it would make.
Speaker 2: A little more sense. But I thought the tie was
Speaker 2: in somewhat like an ode to.
Speaker 4: I feel like he did it in Minnesota, but he
Speaker 4: did it Western Michigan too, But what would I know?
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like he did as well. But
Speaker 2: you're right, I'm not. I don't know. Maybe, but maybe
Speaker 2: he had, like I don't know, maybe his roots are
Speaker 2: Western Michigan.
Speaker 3: I doubt that.
Speaker 2: But when you said that, I was like, John, you're
Speaker 2: so wrong. I don't know what you're talking about. And
Speaker 2: because I the PJ. Fleck that that I, you know,
Speaker 2: envisioned doesn't look anything like Pat kelcey. But now since
Speaker 2: he's shaved his head, like I can totally see it,
Speaker 2: they do look they actually at times, like depending on
Speaker 2: the picture of he just google PJ. Fleck and click images,
Speaker 2: they do actually look alike. And there's a picture of
Speaker 2: him from what looks to be Gosh, this is I'll
Speaker 2: send you the link, John, And you know, if you
Speaker 2: want a google that you can and I'm sure none
Speaker 2: of you care. This is great live radio. But if
Speaker 2: you just google Tennessee Balls, it's PJ. Fleck too, similar
Speaker 2: to Butch Jones. That's from twenty seventeen when he was
Speaker 2: a big name at Michigan, at Western Michigan. This picture
Speaker 2: that's in.
Speaker 3: This article looks just like Pat Kelsey like.
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking like, oh, John, that's terrible, and
Speaker 2: you were right, Like, I felt really stupid for and
Speaker 2: I'm stupid. I am stupid for questioning you because I
Speaker 2: do see the I do see the visual comparison there,
Speaker 2: and yes they don't have the same style, but maybe.
Speaker 4: The tie for for Fleck is is like he did
Speaker 4: do the tie thing in Western So it's part of
Speaker 4: his brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of his brand. And I guess the
Speaker 2: glasses are of Kelsey Broke before we go to break. Look,
Speaker 2: look at your DMS. Doesn't that look like an older
Speaker 2: Pat Kelcey?
Speaker 3: It does?
Speaker 2: I mean it looks exactly like him. It's crazy, all right,
Speaker 2: You're crazy if you don't hang out with us until
Speaker 2: six o'clock. I mean, it's raining outside. Let's hold off
Speaker 2: and see if it stops rain and enjoy the rest
Speaker 2: of the show. Before we start trick or treating folks,
Speaker 2: it's Coffee and Company. We are fueled by Thorntons right here.
Speaker 2: On Sports Talk seven ninety so, we were talking about
Speaker 2: Halloween costumes that feature some type of U of l
Speaker 2: UK component And this is a really good one, and
Speaker 2: if you're listening, still send me a picture. I'd love
Speaker 2: to see it. But this guy says that his son
Speaker 2: has an older Montrez Harrold Louisville jersey number twenty four,
Speaker 2: and he's wearing that, and he's wearing a Chucky Doll mask.
Speaker 2: Chucky hepburn this year is number twenty four. Like Mantres,
Speaker 2: Harrol was very creative. Now, I don't know how many
Speaker 2: people are gonna get it, because one, you know Chucky's
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if he's a I wouldn't
Speaker 2: recognize him if I saw him out somewhere and he
Speaker 2: wasn't wearing U of L gear because I'm following it,
Speaker 2: probably closer than most. And I mean I had a
Speaker 2: face to face with him in Charlotte. But I bet
Speaker 2: that's one.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: I think that's really creative. But I bet a lot
Speaker 2: of people wouldn't know what you were trying to because.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't rest.
Speaker 2: Even if they know who Chucky is, they may don't
Speaker 2: know his number. He's never play here yet. It's a
Speaker 2: brand new team. But that's that's the kind of creativity
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Well done. And if you get a
Speaker 2: picture I send it to me, I'll share it unless
Speaker 2: you know it's kind of weird. I just asked somebody
Speaker 2: to send me a picture of their kid, and I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I'm not I promise, I'm not a I'm.
Speaker 3: Not a hurt two. Yeah, but then like, hey, let
Speaker 3: me let me you know, you know some people are
Speaker 3: weird about that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: About pictures and what's on the internet and all that stuff, which, hey,
Speaker 2: you got to be careful with your kids. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna if you want to send me a picture, cool,
Speaker 2: But like I'm going to retract what I said. I'm
Speaker 2: not asking listeners to send me pictures of their children.
Speaker 2: That's very weird. And you know, I'll just move on,
Speaker 2: all right. It's Coffee and Company Field. Beth Thornton's here
Speaker 2: on Sports Talk seven ninety. We got about thirty minutes
Speaker 2: left here on a Halloween edition of the show, and
Speaker 2: we talked about the Clemson Louisville.
Speaker 3: Matchup a little earlier in the show with Alex.
Speaker 2: Kupper, and you know, he did agree and doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that you know, I'm right or wrong. It's wishful thinking.
Speaker 2: I said that when it came to me on Friday
Speaker 2: night during the postgame show, the way they came back
Speaker 2: against Boston College and finished that game.
Speaker 3: You know, they.
Speaker 2: Produced something that could be what gets them together to
Speaker 2: where they put a full game together, clean up some things,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean they play perfect. But you know,
Speaker 2: and I don't need to reiterate it anymore, I've been
Speaker 2: a broken drive. I've sounded like a broken record when
Speaker 2: it comes to just it not being an impressive result overall.
Speaker 2: But that was something that was much more difficult to
Speaker 2: do than I think anybody would realize because of the
Speaker 2: circumstances and just because of the overall season, and they
Speaker 2: fought back. They I mean, look Louisville against Clemson. I
Speaker 2: don't like them in a shootout. I don't like Louisville
Speaker 2: really in a shootout with many teams, because you know,
Speaker 2: we did get in a shootout with maybe one of
Speaker 2: the best teams that you know you could face in
Speaker 2: that type of a matchup, and that's Miami, and you
Speaker 2: were right there, potentially, you know, with a chance to win.
Speaker 2: But you know the pressure is going to be on
Speaker 2: you so much to score in a shootout. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: got a match, but you know that in a shootout
Speaker 2: type of game. Becau's a really good offense. There's just
Speaker 2: not been a whole lot to be confident about when
Speaker 2: it comes to the defense, you know, doing enough to
Speaker 2: where you can be the one with the ball with
Speaker 2: a chance to score late and win, or you having
Speaker 2: a lead late them getting a stop. Like it's just
Speaker 2: you know, they just haven't shown the ability to do
Speaker 2: that really at any point in games that are close.
Speaker 2: So Cupp said this, the defense would be the most
Speaker 2: talked about thing. If we're doing a postgame show Saturday
Speaker 2: night and it's Louisville beating Clemson for the first time, Now,
Speaker 2: clearly your offense is going to have to do the job.
Speaker 3: And they've done the job.
Speaker 2: Now they are placing they are facing a good defense
Speaker 2: in Clemson. But I go back to Boston College, and
Speaker 2: again disclaimer, I know that Boston College and Clemson are
Speaker 2: not the same opponents much different level, but each team
Speaker 2: has three components right, offense, defense, special teams. Of the
Speaker 2: six components, the six units essentially in that game on Friday,
Speaker 2: in the second half, the Louisville defense was the most impactful,
Speaker 2: the most most dominant of the six. I mean, the
Speaker 2: louis of A defense changed that game around. And I've
Speaker 2: always believed that they've had talent defensively, and yeah, they've
Speaker 2: had some injuries, but like this defense, let's go back
Speaker 2: again and they are who they are. We can't keep
Speaker 2: talking about what we thought they were going to be
Speaker 2: and all the accolades in the preseason and all the
Speaker 2: hype that was there, because at this point you've played
Speaker 2: eight games and your defense has not been what it
Speaker 2: should have been. We were wrong, right, We had this
Speaker 2: defense a lot better than it truly has been. But
Speaker 2: I don't think we were wrong in regards to like, wow,
Speaker 2: we thought this guy could play.
Speaker 3: He's a bum like.
Speaker 2: It's not that at all. It's just been really schematic,
Speaker 2: and as we've discussed, it's been a little too complex.
Speaker 2: They've now simplified some things. They're not substituting as much
Speaker 2: like Ashton Julotti can still take over a game on
Speaker 2: defense at any moment. Quincy Riley is still an NFL player.
Speaker 2: I mean, stan Kalon Clark has been at times really good.
Speaker 2: He's a talented guy from Miami at linebacker, jamari A.
Speaker 2: McDonald the transfer from Tennessee. He's made some big, big
Speaker 2: plays this year. You still got Destel up front, Ramon
Speaker 2: per year. I mean, was it jar Dawson who got
Speaker 2: the sack against Boston College. Again, we weren't wrong to
Speaker 2: look at the personnel on this team coming back and
Speaker 2: what was proven last year and the guys they brought,
Speaker 2: and we weren't wrong to expect the defense to be
Speaker 2: really good. They just haven't been good. So we were wrong,
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, by definition. But we had justification
Speaker 2: and thinking the defense would be the strength of this
Speaker 2: team this year, and they haven't been that, So it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be crazy to see them maybe kind of clean
Speaker 2: it up. Things are simplified, and maybe we see Louisville's
Speaker 2: best defense of the season in these last four games. Again,
Speaker 2: wishful thinking, but we shall see. On the Kentucky side,
Speaker 2: we did discuss the their matchup with Tennessee, but not
Speaker 2: really in like here's where Tennessee could really hurt you,
Speaker 2: because Tennessee's just a much better team right now, playing
Speaker 2: much better football. But Josh Hipel a guy known for
Speaker 2: being somebody that can light up a scoreboard with the
Speaker 2: high powered offense, they clearly have some good playmakers offensively,
Speaker 2: and they're not a bad offensive team, but really it's
Speaker 2: their defense that has, I mean that has been their
Speaker 2: best unit this year. I mean again, it sounds crazy
Speaker 2: because again I still think of Josh Hipelaguy that is
Speaker 2: respected as much as anybody offensively in college football lately.
Speaker 2: But again, if you look at Tennessee's total defense right now,
Speaker 2: it's number three in the country with two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty nine yards. That's pretty good recipe, right especially when
Speaker 2: you know you on offense aren't as good as you
Speaker 2: usually are, but you still at any moment anybody way
Speaker 2: they're doing enough offensively. So again, this Kentucky Tennessee matchup,
Speaker 2: it's not about any type of like schematic thing for
Speaker 2: Kentucky because I mean, I totally get it. Their fans
Speaker 2: understandably so have zero belief that they'll win against Tennessee.
Speaker 2: In fact, I don't know if there's any belief that
Speaker 2: they're going to keep it competitive. And if they get
Speaker 2: blown out, you know, I'll be real bummed and I
Speaker 2: won't be like surprised. But I feel like Mark Stoops
Speaker 2: has done this many times during his tenure at Kentucky.
Speaker 2: When they have no momentum and they're playing a really
Speaker 2: good team, his guys usually show up and play well
Speaker 2: and at least compete. Now, they rarely win, but they'll compete,
Speaker 2: But I guess the more I consider their season as
Speaker 2: far as what it's been so far, it really wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a shocker at all if they don't do that
Speaker 2: this time around, because this is different even before they
Speaker 2: kick it off against Tennessee. This season is an outlier
Speaker 2: for Mark Stoops, and I don't say that to defend
Speaker 2: him at all. In fact, it's alarming. They're struggling. They're
Speaker 2: one in five in SEC play, likely going to finish
Speaker 2: one in one in seven in the SEC. I mean
Speaker 2: they could realistically finish four and eight. I'm not ready
Speaker 2: to talk about the Louis game yet, but they could
Speaker 2: realistically finish four and eight.
Speaker 3: But it's not a well what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: We're Kentucky. They have talent, they have good players like
Speaker 3: he he you know.
Speaker 2: I hate to say like his success is working against
Speaker 2: him now because it is true, but like he hasn't
Speaker 2: really been that successful. He's been successful for a Kentucky coach.
Speaker 2: People get that mixed up a lot, but this is
Speaker 2: the first year for him where there really is no
Speaker 2: reason for them to be this bad. And I know
Speaker 2: they don't have the talent that a Georgia has and Tennessee, Texas.
Speaker 2: Those are teams that are better than them when it
Speaker 2: comes to talent. But all the swing games this year
Speaker 2: they got killed Auburn two touchdown, I mean beat him
Speaker 2: by two touchdowns, which maybe you don't view that as
Speaker 2: getting killed, but Auburn was down ten to nothing at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the game. Florida beat him by four touchdowns.
Speaker 2: South Carolina murdered them. Vandy beat them and didn't kill him,
Speaker 2: but you know it's Vandy. So like this is an
Speaker 2: outlier season to where he has probably more explaining to do.
Speaker 2: Never not to say, well, he better explain it or
Speaker 2: he's gonna get fired, because he's not getting fired.
Speaker 3: It would have to be him walking away.
Speaker 2: But in other years, And I really haven't been that
Speaker 2: critical Stoops because you know, it's just not really my
Speaker 2: place right as a Louisville fan. But I've never I've
Speaker 2: never acted like Kentucky hasn't had good reason to feel.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, they've dominated the rivalry and they I
Speaker 2: don't think they were ever as good in the SEC
Speaker 2: and ever as good in the grand scheme of college
Speaker 2: football as they thought they were under Mark Stoops during
Speaker 2: his good seasons. But still like it. They're clearly not bad,
Speaker 2: and they've clearly been relatively good, and they had two
Speaker 2: ten win seasons, so like, you know, my only gripe
Speaker 2: has been well, yeah, but like let's not exaggerate what
Speaker 2: you're doing. It's good for you and it's clearly good.
Speaker 3: Not bad.
Speaker 2: But like you know, when you would hear them talk
Speaker 2: about potentially when in the easter right behind Georgia like that,
Speaker 2: that was always foolish because it would be a sign
Speaker 2: that they feel like they've they've taken more steps than
Speaker 2: than they actually have. But this year they're just like
Speaker 2: they're a mess. And yes, I know we've already got
Speaker 2: people in the text line like they could be a
Speaker 2: mess and still beat Louisville. I know that, and it
Speaker 2: scares me. I'm not scared of Kentucky this year because again,
Speaker 2: like I've watched him play to where I'm not worried,
Speaker 2: is Louisville good enough to beat them? But what that
Speaker 2: game has now become like it it it, It worries me,
Speaker 2: and I'll need to see it before I believe that
Speaker 2: Mark Stroop's team won't come ready to play against Louisville
Speaker 2: because they always have and since he's been there.
Speaker 3: Now, what I'm hoping is happened.
Speaker 2: What I hope happens is that they're so beaten at
Speaker 2: that point and so defeated that they'll come out ready
Speaker 2: to play. But it'll take maybe one big swing play
Speaker 2: from a momentum perspective, and then they're dead. Like that's
Speaker 2: wishful thinking on my end, but we shall see. We'll
Speaker 2: be there at some point. All right, let's go to
Speaker 2: the text line before we get our last break. FIBO
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Speaker 2: when you mentioned the defense struggling like it has in
Speaker 2: the offense doing its part, it reminds me that this
Speaker 2: is actually the Jeff brom I thought we were getting.
Speaker 2: Many of his, even good Purdue teams were just like this.
Speaker 2: You could never rely on the defense. You are correct,
Speaker 2: You are correct. I don't know exactly how similar they
Speaker 2: are as far as like the numbers in regards to
Speaker 2: the defense, but yes, Jeff, and that's what was so
Speaker 2: great about last year.
Speaker 3: It was weird, but it was also nice.
Speaker 2: To know that Jeff Brohm could put a team on
Speaker 2: the field that could win ten games in the regular season,
Speaker 2: and you would know that the defense is clearly the
Speaker 2: superior unit compared to the offense. You know, for the
Speaker 2: you know, for the for the vast majority of the season,
Speaker 2: really almost the entire season, and that running the ball
Speaker 2: is your most effective way of moving it rather than
Speaker 2: throwing it. I mean, not only did Jeff winning ten
Speaker 2: games and making it to the a SEC Championship surprise
Speaker 2: a lot of people in year one, it was how
Speaker 2: it looked. It just wasn't the the you know, the
Speaker 2: formula wasn't what I would have thought it would have been.
Speaker 2: If you'd told me when he got hired, they're going
Speaker 2: to go ten and two in the regular season and
Speaker 2: play in the a SEC Championship game. I would have
Speaker 2: expected them to have a decent defense and just score
Speaker 2: fifty to sixty a game. And it wasn't that at all.
Speaker 2: What I hope is that this isn't just the because look,
Speaker 2: Jeff's teams defensively at Western and at Purdue were never
Speaker 2: very good. But when Ron English followed him to Louisville,
Speaker 2: it made sense because Jeff had found somebody that produced
Speaker 2: the best defense he'd had really ever as a head coach,
Speaker 2: and I think it makes sense to bring that with
Speaker 2: you because at Western and at Purdue you'd yet to
Speaker 2: find somebody they could consistently put a defense on the
Speaker 2: field that was pretty good, and they were that at
Speaker 2: Purdue for I think two years, so again it made
Speaker 2: sense for him to bring him over. And last year
Speaker 2: they were good defensively until they weren't, and then when
Speaker 2: they weren't, Ron English is the one who told us
Speaker 2: to blame him and nobody else. And this year, I
Speaker 2: still think as much as the players have to be accountable,
Speaker 2: and there's really nobody but you to blame when you
Speaker 2: can't tackle somebody and you're just arm tackling, looking like
Speaker 2: you're playing football for the first time and these guys
Speaker 2: are running over you like that's truly just you know, again,
Speaker 2: I think it starts with culture. It starts with you know,
Speaker 2: being motivated. But there's nobody to blame but yourself when
Speaker 2: you get trucked like that and it's just because you're
Speaker 2: coming soft arm tackling.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I think.
Speaker 2: The defense has just been a mess this year because
Speaker 2: of leadership coaching. I mean, that's that's that's the way
Speaker 2: I see it. I could be wrong, but how the
Speaker 2: season finishes I think will be a big factor. And
Speaker 2: if fron English is back next year, maybe for both sides.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, all right, let's take our
Speaker 2: last time out. We'll come back on the other side
Speaker 2: and wrap it up. Happy Halloween, everybody, It's coffee and company.
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Speaker 2: So well, I mean we got some yeah. Nfla game tonight.
Speaker 2: It's not a great one, but not a terrible one.
Speaker 2: The Jets and the Texans, John, you may have been
Speaker 2: onto something. I think the under is the wise play.
Speaker 2: They're also like the Texans as dogs just because I
Speaker 2: think they're better, and I think there's still love for
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers that is.
Speaker 3: Being you know, being seen in these lines. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Jets aren't good.
Speaker 2: Rogers has even at times had fine nights, but like that,
Speaker 2: this is who he is now. He's the Jets quarterback
Speaker 2: and he's not in Green Bay anymore, and he's you know,
Speaker 2: he's not exactly young. On the college side, I love
Speaker 2: Tulane minus fourteen and a half. And then we'll get
Speaker 2: to this tomorrow, John. Some good college football games. I
Speaker 2: just got around to look in at the at the
Speaker 2: slate a little earlier today, and I'm telling you, Indiana
Speaker 2: minus seven and a half. I mean, how are they
Speaker 2: only favored by seven and a half.
Speaker 4: I mean how I think some of that free money
Speaker 4: tend to affect whether or not Curtis Roorkins up playing
Speaker 4: I do. I mean, all signs right now are pointing
Speaker 4: to him being back. But at the same time people
Speaker 4: are also and at least from my perspective, I'm worried
Speaker 4: about it because it is Indiana's, in my opinion, first
Speaker 4: true road test against a good environment crowd.
Speaker 3: You're worried more about like a trap situation. You're not
Speaker 3: worried that Indiana isn't good enough, right, No, not at all.
Speaker 3: Indiana should play to.
Speaker 4: If they played to you know their ability, they should
Speaker 4: win again, probably by double digits.
Speaker 3: The way they look.
Speaker 2: These these games can happen, you know, these trap game
Speaker 2: type situations. And what I think is wild is that
Speaker 2: you know there's really no consistency. Sometimes you circle something
Speaker 2: and it's been made aware that it's it's such a
Speaker 2: trendy upset pick that like nobody's going to be on
Speaker 2: upset alert because they know, like, hey, people doubt us
Speaker 2: now even though we're the better team. And then sometimes
Speaker 2: you know, and with that said, when that happens, sometimes
Speaker 2: teams come out and they'll they'll win about three scores
Speaker 2: and everybody thought they might lose. But then there's also
Speaker 2: some games, I mean the Pittsburgh game last year for Louisville,
Speaker 2: and I know what happens every week probably in college
Speaker 2: football somewhere where everybody was right, they were onto something.
Speaker 2: You know that, hey, you came out tight because you
Speaker 2: knew everybody thought you were going to have a let down.
Speaker 2: But from what Kurt Signetti has shown at this point,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine his guys won't be ready to play.
Speaker 2: And look, I mean, Michigan State's wins are close ones
Speaker 2: against Maryland, who sucks, Prairie View, A and m They
Speaker 2: lost to Boston College, got killed by Ohio State, got
Speaker 2: killed by Oregon, did beat Iowa.
Speaker 3: Which is an upset.
Speaker 4: That's a good win for them.
Speaker 2: But they lost to a mid Michigan team. Signette's gonna
Speaker 2: bend him over, John, That's what he's gonna do. All right,
Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow. Everybody enjoy Halloween, enjoy the trigger treating,
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Speaker 3: Have a good night, everybody,