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Speaker 1: A dramatic reading December, Why drink the water from my hand?

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Contagious as you think?

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Jay Hudson, good friend of Dean Jason,

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and you are listening to Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here for part five of

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a five part episode series on the albums of nineteen

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ninety four.

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Speaker 4: Give me a word, give me a sign, show me

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where to look, tell me the what will I find?

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We're gonna let Heaven shine down on us. On this episode,

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we're covering Collective Soul's Blue album from nineteen ninety five.

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How are we doing this? The ninety four ninety five thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a little tricky, you kind of I snuck

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this one in here under the radar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm going

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with Ed rolland on this he said, this is their

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debut album, and Mama say, this is debut album.

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Speaker 3: This is debut album.

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Speaker 4: Except he had one of the biggest songs of nineteen

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ninety four.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you with absolute clarity, I remember the

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day that I was driving in my car and I

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heard Shine come on the radio for the first time really,

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and I was blown away. I was like, this is

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the future of music right here. I was like, this

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is such an incredible mixture of sounds and styles and

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vocal changes and guitar changes and rhythm, and I was

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just like, holy crap, these guys are the new thing.

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Speaker 4: So I am cheating the system a little bit with

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are using Shine to bridge the ninety four to ninety

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five gap.

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Speaker 3: Jason needs to know the rules so he can break them.

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Speaker 4: When we started this, it was live versus Collective Soul,

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and then we added a bunch of albums from ninety four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that is that is true. That is true, so true.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, so we're diving into Collector Soul's Blue album. They

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did have an album before, but basically that was a

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collection of demos.

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Speaker 3: I owned it.

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Speaker 4: I owned it too.

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Speaker 3: I owned the cassette.

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Speaker 4: Did you really the cassette?

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Speaker 3: I had the cassette. So, unfortunately Dayton wasn't able to

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join us today. We miss him. We wish him the best.

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Please go check out Docking Bay seventy seven. We will

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be listening to that in next episode so we can

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get on what he's doing over there.

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Speaker 4: Yep, Dayton, we miss it. We'll see you next time.

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So he said. At this time he was an older

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guy and he was trying to get a job as

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a songwriter.

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Speaker 3: Just something of note before we jump into the songs,

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and I'm really anxious to get in there. A couple

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of these guys were pretty old when they really hit

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it big. I mean we talked about Ed Roland. I

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mean he was thirty almost thirty one when he finally

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hit it and they finally got signed. Gavin Rosdale was

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twenty nine years old, almost thirty when Bush finally hit

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it in a Marria like. They're still playing the we

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infested pubs in the UK to nobody. He said, they'd

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used to go out and go all right, here's another

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one you've never heard of. And then a year later

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they have played more American audience members than any band.

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Speaker 1: In the world.

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Speaker 3: So what I've noticed about these guys, every single one

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of these lead singers, is they're all very down to earth.

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Say what you will about the music of the eighties,

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but Nicky six is kind of an hole, right. Vince

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Neil's kind of an pole, sure, David Lee Roth, even

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Eddie Van Halen. From time to time, these guys all

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seem to be regular guys who just happened to be

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big rock stars.

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Speaker 4: Ed Roland I heard his wife talking about this. She

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says they have to be the most unknown rock band

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in history. She says, they'll be in home depot and

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Shine will come on overhead and they kind of look

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at each other and like nobody knows who we are.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be the best of all world? Really? I mean,

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because I just got done listening to an interview with him,

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and the guy was like, you know, do you have

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because they play a lot of shows every year, They

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play all the time. But it's because he loves it.

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Because the guy said, if you had to quit work

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in today, would you know, would you be tight with money?

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Kids don't have to worry about my money. It's there.

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to go out and you know, strive and make it

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on their own. But no, money's not something we worry

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about anymore.

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Speaker 4: Before we get into the songs, Yeah, and really, the

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story of Shine is the story of the band. We'll

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hold that thought because there's a lot of lead up there. Okay, Yeah,

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all right. So the Blue Album came out March fourteenth,

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nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: It really was the first album as a band.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Ed says that album one to album two. Album one

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was him in his underwear in his basement making demos.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Album two is with some buddies and they're making music

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together as a band in the studio. Yeah, only eight

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months between the release of those albums. Yep, And I

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saw him. He took out hints, allegations and things left unsaid,

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which is what Shine is on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he looked at it.

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Speaker 4: He's like, in all honesty, there are only three songs

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on this album that would have ever even made a

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collective soul album. He said, Shine would have Lovelifted and

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Sister Don't Cry. Everything else was just a crap demo.

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He was just trying to get a job. Three times platinum,

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seventy six weeks on the Billboard chart three Mainstream Rock

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number one hits.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 4: The first song on the album is called simple.

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Speaker 3: But I love about this one is? It throws me

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off at the beginning, Like if I've just bought this album,

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I'm like Okay, the production quality didn't really give up

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a lot from the last album.

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Speaker 4: It's like listening to an old am radio stage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. And then all of a sudden, yeah,

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blowing it away with some vicious guitar licks. I like it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great kickoff to this album.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. So. The I found out that his dad,

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Ed Roland's dad was an operatic singer, like he was

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going to go to Europe and become an opera singer

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and then basically had a little conversation with God and

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decided to go into the ministry instead.

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Speaker 4: So I did know that he was a Southern Baptist preacher,

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and that Ed and his brother Dean were brought up

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as church rats, you know, yeah, little Southern Baptist church rats. So,

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but most of their time was spent at church with

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their parents, in youth choir, on youth trips and youth camps.

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I would bet a million dollars even though

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I heard Ed talk about this the song shine in

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the deep recesses of his brain, it's a rewriting of

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the song this Little Love of Mine.

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Speaker 3: Maybe in vacation b scool, Yeah, sure, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Heard him talk about it, He's like, maybe.

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's interesting because his mom was musical

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as well. Okay, but even though he was a Southern

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Baptist preacher, his dad was the one that took him

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to his first concerts, that's right. Took him to see

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Johnny Cash, took him to see Elton John, took him

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to see Liberatchi, which apparently was his dad's mom's favorite singer.

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Speaker 4: Right, and my brother George was here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and took him to see the Kinks. So that's

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a little bit of a switch up there. That's interesting. Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I did hear him say that Elton John is really

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his musical idol.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said his very first album, he can remember

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with clarity buying the Elton John. He got to go

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to the store, bought the Elton John album. When he

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put the needle on and your song started playing, he

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immediately was just like.

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Speaker 4: This is just what I want to do. I want

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to write songs like Elton John and Bernie Topin. Well,

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that's one of the greatest songs from the seventies, and

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Elton John's one of the greatest songwriters of all time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a great inspiration. I love that

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he commits. I mean that album came out and I

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think nineteen. That means he's really young, Like he's born

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in the sixties, so he's sure, he's really young, and

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he makes the decision at that point, and that's it.

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He's gonna go be a musician. He's gonna go be

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a songwriter, and he doesn't have anything that's gonna stop him.

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Speaker 4: He said his musical influences were, of course, John Leewood,

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Mac the Eagles. He says, it's more California rock. Yeah,

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all right, you're ready to jump onto song number two.

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Song number two is untitled, So.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of Aerosmith on this one.

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Speaker 4: I can see that.

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Speaker 3: And they opened for Aerosmith. If they hadn't already recorded

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this album, they were in the midst of putting it

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together whenever they were going around with Aerosmith. But lyrics,

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the style of singing, and that guitar riff all very

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seventies Aerosmith styles.

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Speaker 4: To you, we're gonna talk about a song that he

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wrote using a guitar that Joe Perry gave to him.

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Here in a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic. I told you though, I was like, this

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is my hot take on this one. The riff is

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so similar to the riff in the first song. I

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feel like it was a bad decision to put this

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as the second song right after that one, Like throw,

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you know, throw December in between these two and you're

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mixing it up and you've got some variety. But with

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the hammer on and pull offs that they're doing the

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very similar speed and sound of the guitar. They're like,

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the second song is just a little too similar to

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the first song. It would have been better if it

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Speaker 4: They like to do a lot of the stops and

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starts in the song. I find that really interesting. December

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comes to a crashing halt before it revamps up into

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something amazing. This song comes to a stop as well. Yeah,

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with Joe Perry's guitar, right. Yep.

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Speaker 3: He did not start off as a guitar player. Started

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off in the school band as a clarinet player. He

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actually told his parents, I want to be a coronet player.

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But obviously they must have misunderstood him because they came

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back and handed him a clarinet.

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Speaker 4: You know, we talked about his dad being a pastor,

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and I saw somebody online who actually reached out to

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him on Facebook and said, I just wanted to send

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this picture to you. I'm a big fan of collective soul.

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But your dad married my parents. Oh cool, And here's

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a picture on their wedding day and there he is

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standing right there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome.

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Speaker 4: I think that's really cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: You know, he knew his son wanted to be a

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singer in a rock band, and as you know, during

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those times, a record burning party was not off the

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table for Baptist churches.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's the seventies.

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Speaker 4: And I think his congregation was kind of like, you know, hey,

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are you doing this? Are we doing this? And he

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said his dad could not bring himself to participate because

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of his son's love for rock music. Nice and Ed

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said that was really a big validation of big endorsement

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of me as a singer.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was really cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is great.

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Speaker 4: Untitled Is I like it? I don't skip it. The

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title untitled is dumb to me. I don't I don't

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like that at all. They asked him why he named

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it this, and he said, well, I just I didn't

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have any words. I didn't know what to call it,

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right right, Well, keep trying, dude, I mean there's something.

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There's at least two dozen words in the song.

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Speaker 3: Just pick one of.

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Speaker 4: Those words, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: All right? You ready to move on to song number three?

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Speaker 4: Song number three, the first of the heavy hitters.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 4: This song this is the world I know.

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Speaker 6: As a conscience shows the speedies.

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Speaker 4: But this is one of the most beautiful songs of

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the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Guarantee makeout list of the nineties.

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Speaker 3: This is a little sad for me. This is a

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bit of a downer for me to be a makeout song.

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I mean, I enjoy listening to it, and I like

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sad songs, but I don't know that i'd be like

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touching a feeling on this particular song. But to be fair,

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he wrote it for his girlfriend, who then, of course

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later became his wife, who then, of course later became

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his ex wife. But they were up in New York

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City and this was back when New York City was

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still crime Central. Said he was thinking about writing a

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song walked out of the hotel that they were staying

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in and just walked around the streets for an hour

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and came back in and wrote down his thoughts. And

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that's how we get this song.

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Speaker 4: He wrote this song to impress a beautiful woman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Must stop.

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Speaker 7: The loud, my.

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Speaker 4: Chance, and he impressed her so much that she married him. Yeah,

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we'll get to the rest of the story here in

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a minute. This song hits number nineteen on the Hot

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one hundred. It's number one on the Hot Rocks chart,

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one of three from this album. And David Cook from

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American Idol one American Idol by singing this song.

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Speaker 3: Nice, that's good, that's good.

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Speaker 4: He said he'd never watched American Idol, was flipping channels,

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came a and he's like, holy crap, they're singing the

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world I know. And the dude won American Idol by

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singing this song.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's gotta just make your heart warm. That's fantastic. Right.

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Speaker 4: Here's the interesting thing about this song to me, during

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the recording sessions, at the last moment, Ed was like,

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I don't I don't like the words. I'm gonna change

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the words. And he said that it was just one

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of the engineers in the studios like Ed, No, No,

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this is a beautiful song, this is a number one hit,

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don't touch this song, and kind of tucked him off

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of the edge.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 4: He even gave his name Greg Archilla right.

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Speaker 3: To see the World below.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this song piacked at number nineteen. Like I said,

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March ninth of ninety six, here's your top five on

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that day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you ready for this? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Number five missing everything but the Girl.

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Speaker 3: Okay, no, nope.

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Speaker 4: Number four Nobody Knows by the Tony Rick Project.

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Speaker 3: Who the heck?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know, all right. Number three not gonna

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cry Mary J. Blige, No, okay, Number two sitting up

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in my room Brandy Wow. And number one one Sweet

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Day by Mariah Carey and Boice to men. R and

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B was big at this time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 4: I think people forget they think the nineties was all grunge.

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It was a lot of R and B.

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Speaker 3: There was a big movement growing that just title waved

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in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 4: I got another funny story for you. Ed was at

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the mall one time. We talked about how he's the

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one of the most unrecognized rock stars of all time. Yeah,

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he goes into the gap to buy a pair of jeans,

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picks out his jeans, and is standing in line waiting.

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The clerk who's checking him out is singing The World

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I Know at the top of his lungs. He said

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he had to wait for him to calm down to

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check him out to pay for his jeans, And the

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guy had no idea who was in front of him.

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Speaker 3: He didn't know. No, he wasn't singing it to him, no, no, no, no,

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he just was having a good time singing his song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, So that's hilarious.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I'm gonna play another song for you real quick.

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Tell me if you think The World I Know influenced

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this song.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Very similar guitar sound, for sure, And that came

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out just a year later.

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Speaker 4: I think Iris came out in ninety eight. It was

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three years later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Goo goo dolls, right, Google dolls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you can hear similarity there.

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Speaker 3: Very similar sounds for sure. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: Next song on the album is a song called Smashing

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young Man. This is not a good song, but it's

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got a good story behind it. Stop you're killing me.

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I think this is a fun song, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of dumb to me. And I think that.

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I mean, I genuinely think they meant it to be dumb,

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Like I think that they were making fun of Billy

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Corgan and they were they were being dumb on purpose.

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Speaker 4: I think you're absolutely right. I think this is a

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complete shot across the bow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, so you gotta tell the story on this, Okay.

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So when the song Shine comes out in nineteen ninety four,

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which we'll talk about in depth here in a second,

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Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins sues them because he feels

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like they stole his song called Rhinoceros from the album gish.

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Speaker 3: We should listen to Rhinoceros.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's listen to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean kind similar, but right, not Blake Rip,

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not a stolen. I mean, there's a million other songs

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that we've talked about on this podcast where I was like, oh, dang,

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that's straight up stolen, right, I mean, no, they have

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a I would say that. I would say the Goo

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Goo Goo Goo Dolls song is closer than Shine is

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to that song.

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair. I think that's fair. I don't

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think that's a blatant rip off. I'm not a musician.

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There's some similarities, but well.

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Speaker 3: But here's the problem. The Smashing Pumpkins didn't form until

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like ninety one maybe.

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Speaker 4: So here's the deal. Okay, so that song Rhinoceros came

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out in ninety one, Shine comes out in ninety four, right,

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Billy Corgan, Sue's collective soul it Roland produces a demo

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from nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shine, Yeah, because he came up with it in

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eighty eight. Like he came up with it. He came

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home and his you know, you mentioned his brother is

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ten years younger than him. He came home and found

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his brother had a guitar. He had no idea his

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brother was even playing guitar. At that point, they start

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talking about music and writing songs, and he literally comes

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up with it there in his brother's bedroom in eighty eight,

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which is two years before Smashing Pumpkins is even a that's.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's right. I did see online where somebody wrote it.

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You know, it was one of those deals where Billy

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Corgan was on the internet. He was answering questions from fans.

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They said, how do you feel about Collective Soul now

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is like twenty years later.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was like yeah, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like f Collective Soul now and always.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's just a lot of hate for that

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I And I've.

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Speaker 3: Listened to Billy Corgan do stuff, and I never was

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a huge fan of him to begin with, but like

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a lot of the stuff that I've seen him do now,

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he seems like a kind of down to earth, more

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normal guy than I, you know, had an impression of

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in the nineties. But he's he's got some deep seated

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and probably ill placed hatred for them, but totally agree. So,

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as you pointed out, he produces this demo from eighty

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nine and that wins the court case for him, right, Yes,

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but obviously Billy Corgan's not letting this go and you know,

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we'll trash talk him everywhere. And then this album comes

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along and smashing young man wink wink, nudge, nudge, know

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what I mean? Smirk?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, clearly it's a shot back at Billy Corgan

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from collect Yourself.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: This was the third single release Fall of ninety five. Okay,

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next song on the album, Oh My Goodness, are You

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ready are you braising yourself?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready before it. Let's go.

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Speaker 4: This song is called December.

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Speaker 9: Why dr Wong from This is a fantastic song for

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our listening audience.

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Speaker 4: Dee and I have been friends long before the podcast,

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and about twenty ten, I was like, d will you

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teach me how to play this on guitar guitar player?

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I'm not even a guitar player. I just love this

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song so much.

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Speaker 3: I was like, did you even own a guitar at

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that point?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: And You're like, well, that's kind of like you asking

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me to show you how to pop a wheelie before

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you can ride a bicycle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't care. I want to

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learn how to do this. I can't do it. But

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you did send me a video of you playing this song.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen years later, I guess we were covered and I thought,

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oh crap, I forgot I was supposed to learn how

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to play this for him.

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Speaker 4: So the funny part is is that, as you can

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clearly hear, Dee is playing it correctly, but there's an

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interview with Rick Biato and Ed Roland.

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Speaker 3: He's been playing it wrong.

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Speaker 4: He's been playing it wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean It's not a super complicated fingerpicking thing

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that he's doing, but there's easier way to do it,

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and I get I understand, you know, sometimes you just

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want to do it the easy way to think and

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sing at the same time, it's hard.

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Speaker 4: So I love this song. This is another number one

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hit on the mainstream rock charts. This reaches number twenty

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on the Hot one hundred. But to me, this is

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one of the biggest songs of nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 3: Best song on the album spiking the football.

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Speaker 7: Down, no verb, Just spend me down down speak.

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Speaker 2: Now verver, Just spend me ow.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I would say this is almost like three different songs

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and they don't fully come together. They're like interwoven the

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last minute and a half of the song.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting that you say that because when they

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were recording this album, this is the one song that

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the rest of the band when they when he came

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up with it and he played it for them, they

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were like, no, we are not recording that song, right,

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And he was like what and now what his his

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plan was when he was writing the song was he

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wanted to have the same chord progression throughout the song,

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but come up with different melodies to go over that

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chord progression, and so as he's playing it for them,

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all they can hear is the chord progression. All they're like,

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it's the same four chords over and over. This is terrible.

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We're not doing this.

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Speaker 4: But he's like, guys, just trust me, and it goes

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on to be their biggest hit, one of their biggest

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hits for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: This song was written about their manager when they were

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fighting with their first manager.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know that they dropped their manager because he

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was like screwing them out of money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they believe that he was taking advantage of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you have this massive number one hit, shine,

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you got people falling all over themselves to sign you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,079
Speaker 4: But you said Ed was savvy by that time, because

477
00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:51,680
he was thirty years old and not a kid.

478
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he had. He had been growing up

479
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:58,079
in the recording industry, and he had been you know,

480
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,400
he had had the opportunity to speak to all kinds

481
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,839
of musicians. I can't wait to tell you the first

482
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:05,359
one he had his first recording session with, you'ren I'm

483
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,480
excited to tell you about this, Okay, But he had

484
00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:11,640
heard enough horror stories and was old enough, you know,

485
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,720
I'm mature enough man that he was like, I'm not

486
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,279
gonna let these guys railroad me on this deal. I

487
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:19,920
mean something to keep in mind that the record label

488
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,880
like signed these guys like on their fourth show. Like

489
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,440
it was nuts, Like it really was just crazy, and

490
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,119
we'll get to that story. But the record label just

491
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,920
kind of like signed them. And then it was kind

492
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,519
of riding along and all of a sudden they just

493
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:40,839
showed up with this blue album and they're like, hey, guys,

494
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:43,240
we got the new we recorded the next album, and

495
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,519
the record company was like, great, we're gonna make our

496
00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:46,920
We're gonna make quarter two.

497
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 4: And he's like, I don't know what that means, but cool.

498
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,440
But like, the record company was not involved in the

499
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,079
recording of this album at all. In fact, they wanted

500
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,240
to go back and record hints, allegations and things left

501
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,480
un said. Yeah, they thought, well, those are demos, we

502
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:03,440
need to rerecord those in the record company. He's like, no,

503
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:04,640
we're just gonna sell that.

504
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, move on, I bought it right right. Yeah.

505
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 4: So anyway, their manager at the time was a guy

506
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:15,960
named Bill Richardson. He was fighting with them. He was

507
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,920
able to freeze their earnings for a full year. By

508
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,839
the way, at first, he didn't have a title for

509
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,640
this song, and he wanted something better than the End

510
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,759
or like Finelle, and so he thought, you know, what's

511
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:33,240
another synonym for like the End? And so December is

512
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:35,599
what came to his mind. He wrote a quick bridge,

513
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,920
you know, using the word December when they mix like

514
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,720
three different melodies at the end of the song. Yeah,

515
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,119
I mean, it just blows me away. I absolutely love

516
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,599
this song. One of my favorite songs from the nineties.

517
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, great one.

518
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 4: Okay, next song on the album is called Where the

519
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:52,160
River Flows.

520
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: I think when I first heard this album back in

521
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,039
ninety five, this was a song that stood out to

522
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,039
me like this is the collective soul that I know,

523
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,079
Like this is this is my collective soul. Yeah, I

524
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:30,279
really dig the guitar, nice crunchy, punchy guitar. By the way,

525
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,960
here's how Ed became a guitar player instead of clarinet player.

526
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,319
He was hanging out with the jocks and felt comfortable

527
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,039
enough to go, you know, guys, I'm going to be

528
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:41,519
a songwriter someday. They didn't give him any trouble. They

529
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,000
didn't make fun of him. One of them just said,

530
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,599
I got a guitar, you want it, and he's like sure.

531
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,319
So he gave him like this Kmart guitar and an

532
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,559
Elvis songbook that had the chords written down in it

533
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:58,359
and an Eagles songbook that had the chords written down

534
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,319
in it, and that's how he learned to play the guitar.

535
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,920
And I mean, that's the way it went for me,

536
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,759
Like it was I did. My dad had a guitar there,

537
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,920
but it was looking at those songbooks and those chord

538
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,880
charts in the songbooks with the songs I knew. It's

539
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119
how I taught myself to play. So that's how he

540
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,440
got started on the guitar. Some football player with a

541
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,079
Kmart guitar. He didn't wan anymore.

542
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: That's fantastic. I've not heard that story.

543
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:21,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,079
Speaker 4: So this is the fourth Hot Rocks number one for

545
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,400
the band fifth single. This was released March twenty sixth,

546
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:28,440
nineteen ninety six.

547
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,559
Speaker 3: So this is the.

548
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,079
Speaker 4: Fourth number one of the Billboard Mainstream Rock Charts. You

549
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,200
had Shine December the World that I Know and Wear

550
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,839
the River flips. So this is the song that was

551
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:42,519
written on the guitar given to him by Joe Perry

552
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:43,440
from Aerosmith.

553
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,039
Speaker 3: Nice.

554
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 4: So they opened for Aerosmith on the Like to Get

555
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,200
a Grip tour, Yeah, which we've talked about. We went

556
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,839
track by track through Get a Grip. Yeah, and what

557
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000
a great what a great gig to have. I mean,

558
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,880
Aerosmith was huge in ninety four. You've got one big song,

559
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,319
cold Shine, and arismis like, yeah, how would you like

560
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,039
to open for us?

561
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

562
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,559
Speaker 4: By the way, they also opened for Van Halen. They

563
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,160
got to play Woodstock and they've got one hit song.

564
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: So to this day, ed Roland is a golfer. Okay,

565
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,799
loves to play golf. He lives down in Atlanta, Georgia.

566
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,920
Grew up right outside of there, you know, lives there

567
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,279
now with his second wife and their kids. But he's

568
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:24,559
a golfer. He even hosts charity golf tournaments for Saint

569
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,359
Jude's Hospital. I mean, just a great guy. And it

570
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,720
all goes back to when they were hanging out with

571
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Van Halen and Eddie comes up to him, you know,

572
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,240
early on in the tour and he's he's like, so

573
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:41,319
you golf and he's like no. He goes, well, why

574
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,079
don't you come golfing? With me tomorrow and he's like, yes, sir,

575
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,799
mister van Halen, sir, of course, yes, right, and Eddie says, like,

576
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,160
all the hotel rooms are the same. It's to quote Eddie,

577
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,039
it's the same bed, it's the same or it's the

578
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,359
same TV. Okay, he says, So you go in on

579
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640
these tours, you go to the hotel room and immediately

580
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,079
you're down in the bar and just that's not a

581
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:02,960
good place to be. You got to get out, you

582
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,599
got to do stuff. So that's why we're going to

583
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,640
go play golf. And so he takes him golfing that

584
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,839
next day, a smashing young man at just thirty or

585
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,319
thirty one years old, and now he's been playing for

586
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:17,559
the last thirty years, he said. At the time, he

587
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,599
got his girlfriend some golf clubs and she's like, this

588
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,680
is a guy's thing. This is like you hang out

589
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440
with the guys thing, and he's like, okay, great, that

590
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,759
sounds great. And he said he got too serious about

591
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:33,960
it at one point and realized that he was getting

592
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,200
too angry and frustrated with it, and he realized that

593
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,839
the benefit of the game is the fellowship you have

594
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,319
with the guys you're playing with. That's his words, fellowship

595
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,480
with the guys you're playing with. I love it. Yeah,

596
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:47,440
there you go.

597
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:51,039
Speaker 4: That's that's how ed Roland plays golf. Okay, hit stop

598
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,920
on your tape player, kick it out, flip it over

599
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,839
side too. Next song is called Jell.

600
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: Another great one, Another one again. It starts off very

601
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,880
much like the first song on the first side. I'm

602
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,480
listening to this and I'm thinking, is somebody gonna be snapping?

603
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: Here?

604
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: Are we listening to the intro music for sitcom from

605
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,799
the sixties about monsters or something. It's just got this

606
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,720
very kind of quirky little it's quirky thing going and

607
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,799
then here we go, just like you wanted, the punchy,

608
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,920
big chords coming in again.

609
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: Being well.

610
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:54,839
Speaker 4: This is the first single. This was released in January

611
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,359
of ninety five. This was a bridge single. So the

612
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,880
record company came to them and said, I know you're

613
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,640
working on the new album. We want to kind of

614
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,319
keep this momentum going. Do you have anything. He's like, well,

615
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,799
I got this song, gave it to him. They listened

616
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,319
to it and they're like, well, if this is just

617
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240
a bridge single, I can't wait to hear the rest

618
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,680
of the album.

619
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: Here we Go.

620
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: This song reached number two on the Hot Rocks chart.

621
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:20,720
This debuted on the Jerky Boys soundtrack. You remember the

622
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:21,839
Jerky Boys, I.

623
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,759
Speaker 3: Do making the prank phone calls?

624
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, they actually got a movie made on the

625
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,519
Jerky Boys.

626
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: This is a sal Gold state.

627
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,079
Speaker 4: So I think this is a really important song for

628
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,920
them because obviously Shine is their best and most important song,

629
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,920
but this was the song that proved that they were

630
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,200
not a one hit wonder.

631
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, hey, Jason, you know we've been doing this

632
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,039
for over five years now, the podcast. That's incredible. Really,

633
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,240
you know why? Why? Because we gel.

634
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 4: Because we come together. By the way, this song was

635
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,920
written during sound check at Woodstock ninety four.

636
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,759
Speaker 3: Oh yes, that's great. So he didn't just play Elvis

637
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:05,319
and Eagles. Eventually he learned some other stuff. He became

638
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,920
obsessed with the cars because hey, seventy eight, that album

639
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:15,279
of that year was incredible. Yeah, so he became obsessed

640
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,079
with them, and he learned that some of those guys

641
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,039
went to the Berkeley School of Music. And so as

642
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:22,640
soon as he found that out, he's like, that's what

643
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,279
I'm going to go do. I'm gonna go be a

644
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,279
guitar player. I'm gonna go play guitar at the Berkeley

645
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,359
School of Music. And so he's poor, but he got

646
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,240
a loan from his uncle, the banker, to go to Berkeley. Okay,

647
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,640
ask me how much Berkeley was back then?

648
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: Was how much?

649
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: Was it twenty five hundred dollars? I need a loan? Yeah,

650
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,480
now twenty five hundred dollars for six months, because that's

651
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:47,480
how long he was there.

652
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Oh.

653
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,799
Speaker 3: So he comes in and he's thinking he's going to

654
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,480
be a guitar player, and then he comes in with

655
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,960
these real guitar players and he's like, okay, I'm going

656
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,960
to be a songwriter's because he's just outmanned on the guitar.

657
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,720
And then he runs into his mailman as he's leaving

658
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:06,920
his dorm or whatever one day and the mailman's like, hey,

659
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,319
here's your mail and he's like, oh hey, thanks. He

660
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:11,920
goes you go in school here, and he's like, yep, yeah,

661
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,640
it's going to be a songwriter. And he's like, oh yeah,

662
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,519
I graduated from here, and he's like the mailman. Yeah.

663
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:20,480
In his head, he's like the mailman's and he's like,

664
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:24,279
wait a minute, what did you say. You're you're playing

665
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,359
an instrument and he's like, oh, I was, but I

666
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,640
think I'm going to be a songwriter and instead and

667
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,480
the mailman. The mailman goes, you should quit right now

668
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,079
and go live life. They're not going to teach you

669
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,319
how to write a song at Berkley. Go live life

670
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400
and that will be how you write songs. And see

671
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,400
what he did. He quit. Good for him, Cliff Clven

672
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,839
changes the fate of a smashing young man.

673
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,519
Speaker 4: That's a great story, right, yeah, go live life and

674
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:55,039
write from then. Yeah, so he lands a job at

675
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:57,920
the studio, right, and that's kind of a big win

676
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,559
for him, right.

677
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: Well he I mean we're talking about the studio. This

678
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:02,000
is back home in.

679
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,599
Speaker 4: Georgia after he's left Boston.

680
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: Right. He was just a gopher, Like he was the

681
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,199
pon Jovi store. He was the guy that went and

682
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,559
got the coffee. He's the guy that swept up at

683
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,000
the end. But he would go and talk to the

684
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,199
engineer as the engineer was doing stuff and just kind

685
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,119
of politely ask him questions about things. And then after

686
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,079
he'd worked there for three months, the engineer left, and

687
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,400
so the owner of the studio is like, well, you

688
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,159
want to be the new engineer? Yeah, So he became

689
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,599
from three months of just hanging out in the studio.

690
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,719
And when I say three months of hanging out in

691
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,400
the studio, everybody would leave. He would sweep up and

692
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,880
then he would sit there and mess with the system

693
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,239
all night long, sleep under the board.

694
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: Yes.

695
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: He talked about how he wrote and recorded his first

696
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,039
album using like the twenty seconds left over on the

697
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,119
tape that they didn't use, and so he would like

698
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,280
clip that and it.

699
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: Just tape them all together, and just tape.

700
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: Them all together. And that's how he got the recording tak.

701
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: You get a full size, real fa fantastic. I didn't

702
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,599
know that. That's great. So I told you you were

703
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,480
going to be excited to hear who his first session

704
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,840
was as an engineer.

705
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okayaul, Oh my god. He said they actually became buddies.

706
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: He was like, we hit it off. We had a

707
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,320
great time. He taught me a lot of stuff about

708
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,039
these different musical styles. And he said, and in that studio,

709
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,639
being in Georgia, you had all kinds of me, all

710
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,079
kinds of music coming in. You've got bluegrass, you've got rap,

711
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:28,920
you've got heavy metal, you've got whatever RuPaul is I

712
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,119
mean you've got it all sure, So he's getting exposed

713
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,719
to all of these things as an engineer and just

714
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,920
soaking it up. Now, we will establish here in a

715
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,840
bit that Shine is almost literal overnight success. But the

716
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,360
time between when Ed Roland dropped out of college and

717
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,400
the time when Shine hit is eleven years. So you

718
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,719
go back to the old, you know, go back to

719
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,800
the old ten thousand hour yep theory. He is working

720
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,760
in the music industry just long enough to become a

721
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,480
true expert at his craft. And even with that, he

722
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:07,840
doesn't know which song is going to be the song

723
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,719
that breaks them. But I'll tell you that story here

724
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,280
in a second. Okay, excellent, excellent, Okay.

725
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is called She Gathers Rain. Okay,

726
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,280
another guitar heavy song. This doesn't capture me quite as

727
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,119
much as some of those heavy hitters on the front

728
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:31,039
part of the album.

729
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:32,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a little.

730
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: Lull on the B side of this album for me,

731
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,360
So this one, to me has a stronger beat to it,

732
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,960
like the drums seem more pronounced in this one.

733
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: Drummer was a guy named Shane Evans, right. He actually

734
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,000
was in a band with Ed before Collective soul band

735
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,960
called the Marching Two Step. He said, like, over this

736
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:56,159
eleven year period he would have to be a part

737
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,679
of different bands and stuff. But as time went on,

738
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,559
people would they'd fizzle out, and he was, this is

739
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:08,320
so crazy. He was signed up to go play on

740
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,079
a cruise ship a month before Shine hit. So so

741
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,039
here's how it happens. Right, He's recorded probably one hundred

742
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,440
demo in over one hundred demos in this eleven year

743
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,519
time period, and he's just being I mean, he just

744
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,639
never gives up. He sends them to radio stations, he

745
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:29,440
sends them to record companies. He even got a letter

746
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,840
from a guy. He didn't say his name, but he said,

747
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,519
never send me another piece of your music. You're a

748
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:41,079
horrible singer and a horrible songwriter. What And he didn't

749
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:45,559
quit after that, He didn't quit. He gave cassettes to

750
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:51,840
Sting and to ric Ocasic. But it's just crazy. In

751
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,119
this process, he thought, okay, I you know, he had

752
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,199
these songs that he thought was gonna they were gonna

753
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,920
do well, but he had this one that he thought

754
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,280
was going to make it right. This song was called

755
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:03,639
good Night Good Guy.

756
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: So Goodnight Good Guy is off his allegations and things

757
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,559
left unsaid, and it sounds a lot like she gathers rain.

758
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. So his plan is his brother, like we said,

759
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,280
ten years younger, he's at college at Georgia State, and

760
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,800
so he wants him to give it to the little

761
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,320
college radio station there to play the cassette. Right, yeah,

762
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,880
And so his brother takes the cassette to the radio station,

763
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,480
and just like Quincy Jones back when they were recording Thriller,

764
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,880
they put in the wrong side. And the side that

765
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,400
they put in is just extra, right, It's just a cassette.

766
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,119
He just had an extra song on the other one.

767
00:38:42,440 --> 00:39:11,480
The song that was on the other side was Shine.

768
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:11,119
Speaker 6: Show No No Yes.

769
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:15,159
Speaker 3: And so at that point they've played the wrong song.

770
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,719
The song finishes and the switchboard lights up and everybody

771
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,119
is like, what was that? Play that again? And then

772
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,559
I mean the dominoes start falling like crazy.

773
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 5: Shine.

774
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: So then this radio station in Orlando starts playing it.

775
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,119
Somehow they hear about it, and he had already sent

776
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:57,119
them the tape, right, he's sending about right, He's sending

777
00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:00,880
to anybody that he can, and so they start playing

778
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,239
it and then this the university is having this Christmas

779
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,320
party and they're like, hey, you guys are awesome, come

780
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,599
come play with us. And they don't know that you

781
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,079
guys is ed Roland right, like he did the whole

782
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,559
thing on his own, right. But his brother has this

783
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:18,760
little frat band, and so he's like, Okay, here's what

784
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,239
we're gonna do. We'll get together, we'll figure out, you know,

785
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239
half an hour worth of songs. You know, we'll do

786
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,559
three original songs and then we'll just do a bunch

787
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,360
of covers and we'll be fine. And you guys can

788
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,960
play the songs that you play and I'll just get

789
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,880
off the stage. It'll be fine, it'll be fine, right,

790
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,360
And so they practice together a couple of times before

791
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,719
this Christmas party. They play one song and then they

792
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,599
play Shine and in the place goes nuts. Really, this

793
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,519
is a college Christmas party at Georgia State and they're

794
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,800
losing their minds and he just he starts looking around

795
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,480
at the band, like what is what is going on?

796
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,239
This is crazy? So he said he's said, let's play

797
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:01,679
it again.

798
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,519
Speaker 4: And so they played it again and the crowd went

799
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:05,360
nuts again.

800
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: He said they played it six times that night and

801
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:14,920
the crowd went crazy. Every single time. So it's hitting

802
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,239
in Orlando. It's obviously tapped a nerve. I mean, I

803
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,119
told you how I felt when I heard it. And

804
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,159
so they get booked to play a bigger show down

805
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,639
in Florida, and they're in their van driving to this

806
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,360
show and they're doing the top five most requested songs

807
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:36,599
of the week and it's like Stone Temple, Pilots, Pearl Jam, Nirvana,

808
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,559
Kings x OH, and at number one, this band out

809
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,039
of Atlanta called Collective Soul. The song's called Shine. He said,

810
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,559
they pulled the van over to the side of the

811
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,239
road and he just he got out and he just

812
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,719
didn't know what to do. He was like mystified. He's

813
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,360
like these other guys, you know, they're all in their

814
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,559
early twenties, and they're going nuts. They're like so excited

815
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,320
and cheering for him and excited to be a part

816
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,880
of this band, and he's just like, none of this

817
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:09,400
makes sense. It's just this happening, weird, surreal moment, And yeah.

818
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: That's a fantastic story. Shine was the song of the

819
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,280
summer of ninety four for me. That's such a great story. Okay.

820
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,639
Next song on the album is a song called When

821
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:24,559
the water falls.

822
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: She's a big job job.

823
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:49,079
Speaker 3: This has the feel of another band in that area.

824
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,239
Maybe they were out of Florida. Dolphins make me cry.

825
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,440
I bet they were out of Florida. Hooty and the

826
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,159
Blowfish South Carolina. There you go, Yeah, there you go.

827
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 4: Absolutely sounds like the Blowfish, right. Yeah, this song sounds

828
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,960
like it's like a hippie song, right like when I'm

829
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,320
driving in the Colorado Mountains in the summertime and I

830
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,480
see the Columbine on the side of the hill and

831
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,559
I'm like, I got the local radio station on. It's

832
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:15,880
just a hippie song. It's I like it. I don't

833
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,280
skip it. It's not a heavy hitter, but I like it.

834
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. By the way, they were friends with the guys

835
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,559
from Hoodie and the Blowfish before either one of them

836
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:25,159
more famous.

837
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 4: Love It.

838
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 3: He said that the atmosphere was much like, you know

839
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,599
when we talked about Pearl Jim and Nirvana, the Seattle

840
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,800
scene where all the bands supported each other instead of

841
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,639
being adversarial. He said it was the same kind of

842
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,679
thing that like, when each band got signed, they were

843
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,119
both genuinely excited for each other. And I think they're

844
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,119
still I think they're touring with them right.

845
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 4: Now, Hooting the Blowfish went from nobody to everywhere overnight.

846
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,320
You might hear the rest of that story if you

847
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,800
come listen to our best of ninety four. All right,

848
00:43:58,159 --> 00:43:59,679
I want to just drop in a little bit of

849
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,559
gossip up right here. Okay, So the members of the band.

850
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:05,199
When Ed got signed and had the hit Shine, he

851
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,800
had to gather a band, right, So he grabs his

852
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,360
younger brother and some of his friends, and among that,

853
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,400
you've got Shane Evans, You've got Will Turpin, who sang

854
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,119
in the church choir with him at his church.

855
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,079
Speaker 3: Right.

856
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: I mean, you grab your friends, right, you grab the

857
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,960
guys you want to hang out with.

858
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 9: Right.

859
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,559
Speaker 4: And they grabbed a guitar player named Ross Childress. Now

860
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,280
I couldn't find anything super solid on the internet. However,

861
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,559
Ed married a woman named Stephanie Bully. That's who he

862
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,559
wrote The World I Know for in ninety four.

863
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 3: They have a kid together.

864
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,199
Speaker 4: They were married for five years. They divorced in two

865
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:41,480
thousand and one. Ross Childress was kicked out of the

866
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,079
band in two thousand and one. And I heard somebody

867
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,199
talking about this, and he said, well, the one thing

868
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,280
you can't do is sleep with the boss's wife.

869
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, you will not probably ever hear the full story

870
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,599
on that, because you listen to Ed roll and talk

871
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,639
and they're just there. Becomes a point that he very

872
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,800
phlegmatically refuses to answer those kinds of questions. That's right.

873
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,039
He just says, I'm just not going to talk about that. Right.

874
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,679
Speaker 4: I did see him on YouTube though, you can go

875
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,199
look at this somebody's holding him aside that says like,

876
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,320
you know, where's Ross And he says a bunch of

877
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,119
non Christian words to this guy and kicks him out. Wow,

878
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,960
So no love lost there at all. Right, And in fact,

879
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,679
Ross Schilders gets a co writing credit for the World

880
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
I know, huh. Ed's like, he didn't write it, he

881
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,039
didn't do anything. He didn't even play on that track.

882
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,320
But I gave him songwriting credit because I was trying

883
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,039
to keep everybody in the band happy. Yeah, And the

884
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,599
interview I saw he looked directly at the camera and says,

885
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:41,679
and you know it's true. So so yeah.

886
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: So what I heard him say number one about the

887
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,440
first marriage was being on the road was probably difficult

888
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,920
on the relationship, and had they spend a little more

889
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,960
time dating before they got married, that it probably would

890
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,199
have been a better result for the relationship. That was

891
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,639
a rudibly diplomatic way to handle that. That's right, he said.

892
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,559
She is a great mother. And as far as Ross,

893
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:09,880
and then also Shane, who was the other one who

894
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,599
was asked to leave the band, what he said was, well,

895
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,440
like I said, I was Atlantic signed Me, not Collective Soul.

896
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,360
So these guys technically were my employees, and there was

897
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:26,400
a morals clause in our employment contract. And I don't

898
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,840
need to go into detail about it, but they both

899
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,280
had issues with that morals clause that caused them to

900
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,320
not be in the band anymore.

901
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: Interesting.

902
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I know with Shane Evans it was drugs,

903
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,199
which I think he's cleaned up. He's cleaned up, and

904
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,800
I think I think he was with him whenever they

905
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,960
got inducted.

906
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,039
Speaker 4: The Georgia Hall of Fame.

907
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. That's it.

908
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: I do think they're still friendly with everybody but Ross.

909
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,559
He said they knew he goes, I knew these guys

910
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,159
from cub Scouts, baseball and church. That betrayal cuts.

911
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,039
Speaker 3: Deep, it does, That's true. Okay.

912
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:11,639
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is called Collection of Goods.

913
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,559
Speaker 3: Okay, I feel like you're already being defensive and I

914
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:15,559
haven't even said anything.

915
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 4: No, no, no, This one I moved past pretty quickly.

916
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, yeah, this one. I started looking. I'm like,

917
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,480
how many more songs are on the album this?

918
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is not my favorite song.

919
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,639
Speaker 3: This is skipper for me for sure.

920
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's get on past that one. Yeah,

921
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,199
let's let's jump past all right. Next song on the

922
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:34,239
albums song called.

923
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:56,119
Speaker 5: Bleeds Loaded now gues.

924
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: I love the intro on this one. They're tapping into

925
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,079
the who right, this is Pete Townsend all over the place.

926
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,440
But then they leave that behind and the rest of

927
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,880
the song is not as interesting as that intro was.

928
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 4: I love this song. This is a top three song

929
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,039
on the album for me.

930
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:30,639
Speaker 2: Lead.

931
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 4: I absolutely love it. I think it's fantastic. I think

932
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,639
the guitar solo is amazing in this Everything is good

933
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,800
except for the one word chorus. It loses its punch

934
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,360
because he just says lead.

935
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, But.

936
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,159
Speaker 4: The story behind this song blows my socks off. Do

937
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:50,360
you know the story behind this one?

938
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: Tell me?

939
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: Okay, so we talked about how Ed's dad is a pastor, Right,

940
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,519
so when you're a pastor, people come to you for

941
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,079
spiritual advice. You got problems. I need some help with this.

942
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,119
I'm not doing well. Can you help me? He said

943
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,440
His dad wasn't at home one day and a girl

944
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,400
came to the house and was going to commit suicide.

945
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:14,599
And Ed was like, my dad's not home, but I'll

946
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:18,599
see what I can do. Wow, And so he sat

947
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,159
down with her and kind of held her hand and

948
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,920
talked her out of it. And this song was written

949
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,119
about that moment.

950
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: Dang. So that's the.

951
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: Lyrics say, I don't know why she cries to me.

952
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,719
She keeps her pain as company, but it's only time

953
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,320
before we all must plead. Absolutely one of my favorite

954
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,000
songs on the album.

955
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it.

956
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 4: Ed himself said he was disappointed with the final version

957
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,039
of the song yeah, but yet liked it too much

958
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:07,320
to leave it off. So, okay, last song on the album,

959
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,000
yeah songs called Reunion.

960
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 2: Change will come It changes here.

961
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: Okay, this is the most Gospelly, most Southern Baptist song

962
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,360
on the entire album.

963
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: Really, I was thinking Pink Floyd. Really, Yes, Yeah, we's

964
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,519
got a comfortable numb, comfortably numb. There's definitely got that

965
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,920
gospel chorus behind it. Yeah, I mean it's and it's

966
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,079
definitely not Pink Floyd. It's it's definitely a collective soul

967
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:55,400
take on that sound. But whatever it is, I like it.

968
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:57,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh I'm coming.

969
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: It's a good way to end the album for sure.

970
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,559
Speaker 4: I agree.

971
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,079
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking back to this last track where you

972
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,719
were like, it didn't come out the way that he

973
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,880
wanted it to. We haven't talked to I mean usually,

974
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,440
you know, when a band gets signed, they're like, Okay,

975
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:22,639
who do we put these guys with? You know, Weezer

976
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,039
got to go with Rick Ocasek, you know, and Live

977
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:32,159
got to go with the guy from Talking Heads, Jerry Harrison.

978
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,480
And with this one, this guy is that is listed

979
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,719
as the producer is Matt Surlydick. He would go on

980
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,079
to do lots of stuff. I mean, he worked with

981
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,880
a ton of fantastic bands, Matchbox twenty, I worked with

982
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,920
David Cook to help him win the American Idol thing.

983
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,440
I mean, he's a prolific guy. But at the time

984
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,280
he was just like a jazz musician in a jazz band.

985
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: That Ed Roland knew and liked and trusted. Okay, Ed

986
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,480
is really the one that produced this album. He just

987
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,039
had that there with.

988
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,639
Speaker 3: Him to be the one, you know, to be honest

989
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:15,360
with him and help guide him through the process because

990
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,239
most important quality he trusted him. And on the Pink

991
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,880
Floyd note, Matt Serlidick, remember that movie of the Faculty

992
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:24,840
from like back.

993
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,159
Speaker 4: In the ninety ninety Yes, you remember.

994
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: How the supergroup Class of ninety nine covered another Brick

995
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,320
in the Wall. Yes, he was a member of that supergroup. Wow, yeah,

996
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,239
there you go. So we talked about how this song

997
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,000
is really ninety five, but we cheated it back into

998
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:53,920
ninety four because of the incredible success of Shine and

999
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,800
I mean heck. They we mentioned in one of our

1000
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,199
previous episodes were they were at Woodstock ninety four, were

1001
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,760
playing with Live, playing with kings X. You said they

1002
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,079
were following kings X around in King's X. Finally, it's like,

1003
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,000
what do you guys want? We just really like your band.

1004
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 2: That's great.

1005
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 3: We just wanted to hang out with you.

1006
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:16,039
Speaker 4: That is too cool.

1007
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they were there. They were there when the

1008
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,840
mud slinging. Actually, I don't know if they were there

1009
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,760
when the mud slinging happened. I don't know if though

1010
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,079
this were the same day or not. But you got

1011
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,280
to think these guys a month earlier weren't even a

1012
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,480
band together, and then they're playing in front of hundreds

1013
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:35,599
of thousands of people.

1014
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,039
Speaker 4: So just a few more notes on Shine. This song

1015
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:41,000
hit number eleven in August of ninety four. Do you

1016
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:45,280
want to hear the ten songs that are better than Shine?

1017
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:46,159
Speaker 3: You know? I do?

1018
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: Okay? Number ten bad?

1019
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,679
Speaker 3: Wait? Wait if Ace of Bass is on here, I'm

1020
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:53,599
going to eat my shoe.

1021
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 4: Okay, get out your fork and night thoughts because it's

1022
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,599
a list of all that crappy hop stuff, right, Okay?

1023
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,280
So number ten is back and Forth by Ailiah. Number

1024
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,800
nine is Regulate by Warren.

1025
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,559
Speaker 3: G Yeah we heard them last week.

1026
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,199
Speaker 4: Number eight is any Time, any Place by Janet Jackson

1027
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:16,039
No Again. Number seven is Don't turn Around by Asa Basse.

1028
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,960
Number six is Functified by de Bratt.

1029
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:21,519
Speaker 3: Yep, that was on that list too.

1030
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:23,679
Speaker 4: Number five is can You Feel the Love Tonight by

1031
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:26,679
Ellen John. Number four is Wild Night by John Cougar.

1032
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:31,320
Number three is Fantastic Voyage by Coolio. Number two is

1033
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,400
I Swear by All for One. I told you man,

1034
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,599
They just spent like a few months there at the

1035
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:42,360
number one spot, and number one is Stay by Lisa.

1036
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 3: Lobe Disappointing America.

1037
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 4: I got. I got a couple of those stories for

1038
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,519
you on this Okay. So in the song Shine, you

1039
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:52,480
have the breakdown and you have the big yeah right,

1040
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,880
it says, I've been playing that song in concert for

1041
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,119
thirty years now, and I've never once said yeah, because

1042
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,760
the crowd, that's their job. They do the yes right.

1043
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: That's great, But.

1044
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,679
Speaker 4: He said, when I was recording the song Shine, I

1045
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,280
didn't have any fancy equipment, and so in order to

1046
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,920
kind of get that vocal effect, I took the toilet

1047
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,719
paper roll out of the bathroom and spoke through the

1048
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,159
toilet paper roll to say yeah.

1049
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: Effective.

1050
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 4: Last story I got for you, I Collector Soul. He's

1051
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,840
having dinner. He's a he's a sports guy. He's at

1052
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,880
dinner with a bunch of baseball players. They're in Arizona.

1053
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,119
His dad calls him while they're eating dinner. He answers

1054
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:33,679
the phone. He's like, Dad, what's going on? He's like,

1055
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,400
are you watching David Letterman? He's like, first of all, no, Secondly,

1056
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,800
why are you up so late watching David Letterman? His

1057
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,119
dad says, Dolly Parton is on David Letterman and she's

1058
00:55:43,159 --> 00:56:05,960
singing Shine. Last ed was like you talk about flattered.

1059
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,199
He goes, one of the greatest songwriters on the planet

1060
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,719
thinks enough of our song to perform it on David Letterman.

1061
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Dolly Parton's gonna if she finds a

1062
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,480
religious bent in the song, she's gonna grab onto it.

1063
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,519
But yeah, she does a great job with this one. Okay,

1064
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:25,320
I got one more story for you. Okay, So how

1065
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,960
he met his second wife. We've now had three stories

1066
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,119
where he's friends with the jocks, right, like, that's how

1067
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:32,800
he got his guitar. That's who he's hanging out with it.

1068
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,320
When his dad calls him to tell him Dolly Parton's

1069
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,679
playing Shine. I guess he lived in like the same

1070
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,760
apartment complex as one of these guys. I mean, you know,

1071
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,519
professional athlete and professional musician. They got a nice place

1072
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,239
or whatever. But he said, I was raised in the South.

1073
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,440
I'd just leave my door open.

1074
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: And he said, so, some of these football.

1075
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,599
Speaker 3: Guys would get hurt and need a place to stay,

1076
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,480
and they would go over to this other guy's house.

1077
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:00,360
And I guess he didn't, you know, and keep it

1078
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,280
up or whatever. And so he'd be like, well, go

1079
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,159
go over to Ed's house. He's got a good TV.

1080
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,320
Go hang out of there. And so he just made

1081
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,760
friends with all of these professional football players and so

1082
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,039
then it became like Ed was just the kind of

1083
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:16,400
go to guy whenever friends and family were coming into

1084
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,920
town or needed something done. And so one day he

1085
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,519
gets a call from one of these guys and they're like, hey,

1086
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,760
I got a couple of friends. They're coming by to

1087
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:26,840
pick up the tickets I left him for you to

1088
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,039
give to him or whatever, right, and he's like, okay, cool,

1089
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:31,880
and he's thinking, it's just, you know, a couple of

1090
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,440
dudes coming by, and so he's hanging out in his

1091
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,480
boxers and he gets the doorbell ring and he opens

1092
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,199
the door and it's this lady and she's with a date.

1093
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,119
But he was like struck by how good looking she was. Okay,

1094
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,880
and so I guess he got hit her number in

1095
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,880
that process, and like they leave. He leaves and goes

1096
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,840
in tours Europe for a little while and comes back

1097
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:58,360
and then he immediately calls her up and it's like, hey,

1098
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,039
I really would like to you know, I'd like to

1099
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:03,119
see you. Would you like to go watch a show

1100
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:07,440
with me, you know. And so she's like no, and

1101
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,320
he said because she he said, she has no idea

1102
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,800
about pop culture. She had no idea who I was, right, right,

1103
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,920
And so he says, I wasn't gonna let it go.

1104
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,719
So I said, I tell you what, I'm going to

1105
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,880
go to the bar downstairs. I'll see you when you

1106
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,119
get there. And he went down there nice and he

1107
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:31,239
waited for three hours and she showed up after three hours,

1108
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:33,599
and he said they have not been a part since then.

1109
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:38,679
Speaker 4: It is all about persistence, right, Yes, I love this guy. Yeah,

1110
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,920
see really he really really is.

1111
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: Okay, we are at the end of our albums of

1112
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,000
nineteen ninety four Journey. Now we have a bonus episode

1113
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,039
coming next week where we're going to give you our

1114
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:56,440
top five songs that are not on any of these albums.

1115
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,960
That's right, because there were a huge amount of fan

1116
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,760
fantastic albums and songs that came out not Ace of

1117
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,480
Bass in nineteen ninety four.

1118
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 4: I would love to drop Ace of aase. Oh I

1119
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,920
will punch shot right in the couter anyway. But now

1120
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,039
that we've reached the end of five albums, we haven't

1121
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:18,679
we haven't done our you know which one's the best thing.

1122
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:19,159
Speaker 2: Right right right.

1123
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: We gotta rank them.

1124
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,039
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go first because I told you before we

1125
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:26,039
were recording tonight that this was just a little bit

1126
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:28,440
off Bullseye for me in ninety four, I was listening

1127
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,519
to Aerosmith and Van Halen and I got into Boston

1128
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:34,039
a little bit, so I knew the hits, I didn't

1129
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:36,639
know the deep cuts. So I've really enjoyed this process.

1130
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:40,000
I'm glad that we've spent five weeks in ninety four.

1131
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:46,039
So my number five album is Weezer like it. I

1132
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:49,360
enjoy them. I think they're fun band. I think there

1133
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,559
are other albums that were better than the Blue album

1134
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,639
for me personally. Number four on my list is Bush

1135
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,280
Love the hits, love the rock, love the grittiness. I

1136
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,920
didn't own it, and you've opened my eyes to it.

1137
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,960
Number three is Green Day. They wrote some banger songs

1138
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,880
that really impacted ninety four. Not a punk guy, but gosh,

1139
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,400
their pop melody sensibilities make that so enjoyable. Number two

1140
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,719
is Life, just some really great songs. I have a

1141
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,519
special space in my heart for the Oklahoma City song,

1142
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,599
the Oklama City bombing song, Lightning Crashes, and so I

1143
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:24,440
have a lot of love for that album. And then,

1144
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:26,920
of course, Collective Soul's Blue Album is one of my

1145
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,239
favorite albums from the nineties. It was never going to

1146
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,239
be knocked off its perch.

1147
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,039
Speaker 3: D what do you got for me? Okay, Collective Soul.

1148
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,119
Speaker 4: If we were talking about hints, allegations and things left unsaid.

1149
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,679
Speaker 3: It would be higher on my list. As I said,

1150
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,400
I heard that song and it was a momentous moment

1151
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,239
for me. This album is good, the hits, the singles

1152
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:49,679
are all good, but it feels like they kind of

1153
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,800
knocked the edges.

1154
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,039
Speaker 4: Off of the original album.

1155
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 3: That I enjoyed.

1156
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,239
Speaker 4: I liked those edges at that time, and so that's

1157
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:57,519
why I'm putting it at number five.

1158
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,039
Speaker 3: Number four for me is Green. I agree with you.

1159
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:03,280
I'm not much of a punk guy, and this is

1160
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,320
a commercial punk thing, but I mean, some of these

1161
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,760
songs are just they stand the test of time. At

1162
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,400
number three is the Weezer album. They had a sound

1163
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:16,199
that was incredibly unique, like all of these. We talked

1164
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:20,039
about ninety four being just this moment where everything that

1165
01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:23,199
was big was different, and these guys took different to

1166
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:25,840
a new place. I mean, short of maybe Divo, which

1167
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,960
I was never a big fan of. I'd never seen

1168
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,320
a nerd band before, and to me, these guys gave

1169
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,599
me something that I was like, Wow, they've really come

1170
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:35,840
up with something new and unique. So I really like

1171
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,559
the Weezer Blue album, and then I'd go in with

1172
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:41,559
the two that were my albums from that era. Number

1173
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:45,639
two is sixteen Stone by Bush. It is fantastic album.

1174
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,280
I owned the album. We covered the songs and there

1175
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,519
are some songs that are maybe not skippers, but not

1176
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,599
great songs on the album, which is why Number one

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for me and I kind of saw this coming is

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Throwing Copper because there is literally not a bad song

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on the album. It's fantastic from beginning to end. Every

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single song is meaningful and I will sing along to

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every one of them as long as I live.

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Speaker 4: This is why we do this podcast because we are

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not in agreement, and that's great, right and that's why

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we do it. But you have moved the needle for

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me on these albums, so we want to hear from you.

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What are your top five like this this little run

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from ninety four plus the Blue album. We have a

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collective Soul Blue album. There's two the blue album. That's true.

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That's true, So hit us up. We would love to

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hear from you. What's your top five of these albums

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that we've covered, guys.

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Speaker 3: Can't tell you how much we appreciate you guys listening

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in every week if this is your first time to listen.

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We also have a Patreon page where you can go

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and have access to a whole slew of special episodes

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just for our Patreon members, where we cover one hit,

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Wonders and some other fun songs. You can join for free.

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You can listen to the episodes for azilos five bucks

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a month, and it's I think some of our best episodes.

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If you're not up for that, no problem. If you

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wouldn't mind, please leave us a review. Please leave us

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a five star rating helps get us up into the

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face of other listeners so that they can tune in

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as well. Can't tell you how much we appreciate you,

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guys and going on with us on this journey. There's

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just one little epilogue left, and that's next episode when

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we talk about the top five songs from nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 4: Come back next week for that epic top five