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Speaker 1: What if I were to tell you that's a friend

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of mine in one of his colleagues correctly forecasted what

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would happen in the Iran War, more so than apparently

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the wist. What if I told you that he's a

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conservative and a Christian, And what if I told you

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he's even reluctant to talk about it, but he's going

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to talk about it. Zach Gybraam joined us, the chief

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investment Officer Bulwark Capital Management. With the help of God Almighty.

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Speaker 2: But Todd Herman show is one percent disapproved by big

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pharma technocrats in Tyran's everywhere from the high mountains of

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Free America. Here's the Emerald City exile Todd Herman.

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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these

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are the times to which God has decided we shall live.

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Zach Abraham, chief Investment Officer, Bulwark Capital Management, friend and

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brother joins us. Good to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you too.

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Speaker 4: Wish it was under different circumstances, but always good to

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see that man.

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Speaker 1: It is. People say crazy times. I would say biblical times, dude.

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I mean we were in biblical times before we get

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to this discussion. And it's a good one. And one

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we need to have about the Trump administration, the war

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which you guys forecasted, how we're locked up in energy,

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and what needs to change AI. There's a lot here, Zach.

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I wanted to share a little breaking news. This is just

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publish at Koma News, one of your local outfits there.

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Washington State has joined New York, California, and Michigan in

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contemplating an exit tax. They intend to charge you money

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for leaving the state taking your business out. This isn't

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passed yet, but you guys made the decision to relocate

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the company because of the unconstitutional income tax. I wanted

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to drop this on you because, frankly, from a selfish

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need perspective, I like seeing you respond to these things

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physically and viscerally. And if people are just listening to

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the audio, you were missing a man who's really like,

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are you praying to the Holy Spirit right now to

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help you with the response?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: This is I think I've done pretty good in the

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most part for this, especially on social media, but trying

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to remain above the fray and not getting nasty in

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this has.

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Speaker 3: Been challenging.

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Speaker 4: It's been very challenging because there is this there's this

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dichotomy that you're well aware of.

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Speaker 3: Where you look at.

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Speaker 4: People and they're like, oh good, you know you should

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you should you look at them and go, Okay, I mean,

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ignore how ridiculous and stupid. What you just said was

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you shouldn't care about whether you like or dislike the tax.

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You should care about the fact that there's a legislative

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body that just rolled over your constitutional rights. And if

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you think it stops at me, you're an idiot. So

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you're literally cooking your own goose. And like I've said before,

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this might sound arrogant, but I think we're at a

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point in time where we need to talk about brass

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tax without any guards. Here's the deal. When I leave,

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I'm going to be rich and happy wherever I leave to,

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and I'm going to have a fantastic house.

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Speaker 3: Praise be to God.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's the working people, the people that are attacking

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me on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at them and going, you're the ones that

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are going to pay for it, not us.

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Speaker 4: Right, We're literally stepping up, risking ourselves, risking our capital,

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and effectively who we're really trying to help cause. Again,

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do I want to stay here, Yes, but how negatively

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impacted is my life if I move to Arizona, Ido,

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it's not, and a lot of things will be better.

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I'll miss home, but established new home, you know, all

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that kind of stuff. The people stuck here, different deal,

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different deal. Right, then they're going to decide why I

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got to sell my house Now all of a sudden,

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their house is going to be worth thirty percent or

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less or wherever they want to move to.

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Speaker 3: So now they're really stuck again. That doesn't apply to us.

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Speaker 4: Do I want to take a rinsing on my house? No,

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But if I have to take a two or three

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million dollar hit on exiting the state, I can do that.

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It's not going to impact my lifestyle. Right, And you

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look at these people and you go who you think

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are your friends or your enemies? And who you think

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are your enemies or your friends? And you're about to

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learn a really important lesson. Unfortunately, it's gonna be painful

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for all of us, but you're determined to do it.

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Speaker 1: And Zach thinking of small businesses and small family businesses.

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It's been about six weeks since John Caldwell passed. He

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is was the founder of Alan Soaps. We took a break.

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I wanted his wife. I hate saying widow, but she

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is in fact John's widow. To have some time to

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grieve before we came back into promoting the soap company.

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All natural soap made in America by family with three

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generations of soap making expertise. I asked Tina what would

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be the package that would honor John. She said, Hey,

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here's what would really honor him is the four bars

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of soap, the original fragrances of soap that Alan helped invent,

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and a cisel pouch, all for under twenty nine bucks.

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And she's put this together. If you've never purchased soap

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from them before, this is a chance to try it.

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We want Tina to have a good, strong run at

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keeping the company alive, so Alan has a place to

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work there. He's so high on the autism spectrum, effectively nonverbal.

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He's been through eighteen operations at the age of thirteen.

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His brother Ian works there. He's also impacted by autism

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in different ways. But we want to get back into

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the business of employing more people, but first we have

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to help the company keep going with John gun So

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go to alansaps dot com slash Todd purchase this package

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to honor the life of John And if you've let

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your subscription laps, don't just get back in subscribe. It's

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Alon soaps dot com slash Todd.

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Speaker 4: And I just came from a really interesting meeting about this.

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I think you'll find this fascinating. There's a guy that

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I'm meeting with. We're organizing the resistance here against this thing,

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and we're going to attack several others, but that's going

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to be our first hill to climb. He got invited

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to a meeting of Seattle progressives that realize the disaster

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that has been created here and are desperately trying to

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get the toothpaste back in the tube. And one of

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the keynote speakers at that was Christine greg Wor.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the lady who stole the election, the first

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all male in ballot election that she stole.

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Speaker 3: No, she only stole it once. Well, she only stole

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Speaker 1: Oh that's just fair, just one time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he won three, but she won one and that

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Speaker 1: Right, So the last where they found fifteen hundred ballots

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in a guy's trunk of his car. He forgot they

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were there all that.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, But I mean, but he's as good as

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the day as long we can trust him.

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Speaker 3: Old Ed is what I call him. Yeah, he's you

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can trust it.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, she stood up and she said, listen, you

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guys are going to react now, or you're going to

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react when it's too late. But she just said, I

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am here to tell you there are two unions that

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now run this state. They it's not that they are

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making bad decisions. She goes, they don't like you. They

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don't like business.

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Speaker 3: She said.

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Speaker 4: Even for those of you guys that didn't like us,

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she said, when I was governor, I understood, we all

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understood we need you, we need business in the state.

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Speaker 3: We got it.

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Speaker 4: And she goes, I am here to tell you. The

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people running Olympia do not like you. They want to

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step on you, and they only answer to the SCIU.

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Ferguson mostly do for political reasons, didn't want to pass

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this tax. The SCIU held his feet to the fire

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and said do it or we'll pull funding.

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Speaker 3: So it's.

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Speaker 4: Like I've said, this state is being driven off a

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cliff by ideology and the average citizen is not aware

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of it. And these are not people making decisions. They're

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making decisions purely based on ideology. This is the equivalent

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of mousey tongue saying we're going to lead the world

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in weed exports. And if you see a bird eating

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up a grain of wheat, hit it with a rock,

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right like it's the say. They are blindly following ideology

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because they believe in the moral rectitude of their cause,

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and they are driving the entire state off a cliff

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in the process. Talking to lawyers, they're talking about capital flight.

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All we're seeing is capital flight. You're talking to these lawyers.

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They go twelve hours a day. All I do is

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meet with people that are leaving the state. It's and

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it really is crazy, because Todd, there really is this

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underlying belief that none of us believe. It's like people

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think it's a ruse. They think there's a more grand

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Speaker 4: They really think that they are just the king. They

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can lay this out and they will box us in

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with exit taxes and things like that, and they think

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they're going to get it from us, and they're not.

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Speaker 1: Well, they've even said world's are you going to go?

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the seaports, we've got the shoreline, we've got the tech workers.

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got the infrastructure. Worlds, Are you going to go?

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Speaker 3: They're all leaving.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to guess the s CiU. Was it

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the Education Association, the so called teachers union, Yep, yep.

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upstream from ideology. I would say that you are being

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governed by coveting it hatred, yeah, yes, Well, and then

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they take those emotions of covetousness and hatred and they

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shop it around for a political system where that parks

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well for them. And you can use any political system

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for that. And they look at people like you, who

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they feel bullied by because you just said, look, I'm

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gonna be rich and happy wherever I go, and they're

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gonna say, well, he stole it from us, right, and

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this is the this is Then they take their their

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hatred and coveting and they try to make math wrap

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around it that you, Zach took money from people who

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earn thirty two grand a year to amass your wealth.

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It's not that you provide a service. It's not that

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you and your wife experience with no one wants to experience,

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which is your whole industry going crash when you were

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warning them it's gonna go crash. Did you guys have

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to start over that? God bless you with this that

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you said, we're gonna put God at the center of

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what we do. We're gonna put risk management the center.

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We're gonna do all this. It's not that you spent

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ten years doing this day and night, working with clients.

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It's not that you drove up to rich people's homes

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and mercer islands in a four door Toyota that people

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are going, oh wait, that person must be lost because

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that can't go on the island. Phone calls on the way.

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We got some of the you know on are the

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slurkerses here? Oh no, we're having this. We're having the

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a gardener come out and to be an intern gardener.

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And it turns out it's you come along. It's not

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any of those things. It's that you by force dipped

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into people's wallets and done stole their money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and one of The funny things about that is

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I look at him and I go, okay, would you

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explain to me the transmission mechanism. Show me where that occurred,

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because because all I have done, all I have done

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is paid in multiples of what you make total into taxes.

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talk to a CPA or a lawyer or anything that

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goes through our financials, the number one comment they give is.

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Speaker 3: You pay your people way above scale.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So you look at him and go you may think

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that you're chasing out evil capitalists. When you chase me out,

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you're going to also chase out my overpaid employees that

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also pay taxes and own homes and all that. Because

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what you don't understand is the big bad business guy

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that you think is the problem of everything, he's not.

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Actually he's the founder of the feast. Okay, And so

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you're not going to have a feast. That's the cruel

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reality of it.

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Speaker 3: And the way we get rich is by delivering value.

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Speaker 4: Say, that's what you don't understand, right, And if we

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weren't delivering value, now, if you want to talk about

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c corpse, this is like what I was saying, is

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like the child mind of the average far leftist.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Now, some of those things that they say, they've got

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a point when you're talking about Wall Street investment banks

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and things like that. But where you go off the

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freaking rails is when you include every day in small

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business owners into that the rules are completely different. Let's

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just look at the tax code. A let's make a

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delineation between C corps and LLCs.

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Speaker 3: How about that, right? Why?

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or is thirty eight percent? The top rate on a

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C corpus twenty two, let's start there. So by definition,

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everybody that owns an LLC is.

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Speaker 3: Paying their fair share.

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Speaker 4: Right, and then on top of that, that doesn't include

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tolls and tabs and proper tax.

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Speaker 3: And all that gas tax.

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Speaker 4: So you just look at them and go, where is

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this myth? I'm at forty one percent, I'm at forty

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one per you're talking if you're talking about your billionaire

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donors that live off of interest and take loans against

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their assets, you're right, they're not paying anything into the kiddy.

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Speaker 3: But that's not who your bill is targeting. It's targeting

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small and family owned businesses that also, by the way,

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employee sixty five percent of the people in the state.

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Speaker 4: Like the if you look at the subsect of people,

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it's like, why I bring up the interest carried loophole,

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the carried interest loophole?

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm sitting there going.

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Speaker 4: If you believe what these politicians are telling you, the

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most egregious loophole in the tax system is carried interest.

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to game the system. Right, and it's it's nonsense. Right,

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Democrats shot that down.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Kristen Cinema was the deciding vote, right, And if you

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go back and look at the met you can you

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can play it any way you want. Nobody had a

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supermajority in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: So what does that mean.

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Speaker 4: It means Congress was split and you had just as

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many Democrats against it as you did Conservatives. What does

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that tell you? It tells you that what they're telling

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you is nonsense. Why didn't they vote for the repeal

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of the carried interest loophole because all those people stuff

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their pockets full of money to not.

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Speaker 1: Do with the carried interest loophole. So if I'm looking

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at this from the perspective of an SEIU or Education

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Union true believer, I'm looking at everything you just said

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and then going like this, yeah, Butt, I hate you.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Yep, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it, yep. But we're charged. And you can say

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that all day long and la la la la la

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la la lah. We'll go for them later. We're using them.

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And this is what socialism does. You and I have

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to have a a as guys who are try I

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tried to be animated by the word of God. I

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try to look at news through the eyes of Christ,

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which I can't do because I'm not Him. But for

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me it's is it biblical? I'm gonna look at every

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news story and say, is it biblical? In this case

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what we've just been talking about. I see hatred and

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coveting and theft and lording power and in fact destroying

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this this stewardship of finances.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: But you and I have to talk about the war

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and some tweets and then your forecasting. Guys, this is

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so important to understand, I'm going to tell you something

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about Zach. He is not excited to tell you what

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he's about to tell you. I'll just tell you that

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that it is a truth that must be spoken. We'll

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talk about this second. Let me give you an example

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of relocation. My friend Steve Anderson when he started Renewed Healthcare,

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which is the world class stem cells. Zach's been there.

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I've been there. I've been there three times. I'm going

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back for their anti aging program. I cannot wait. My

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friend Mark runs our life group. He's down there next

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week to get the use of his hands back because

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he's got the uh he's got bat arthritis. Everything else

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is solid with him. He's gonna use stem cells for that.

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He's going through the reverse aging program. Can't wait to

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see how that goes. Steve is in Mexico because the

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stem cells he uses there are illegal the United States

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because they're too good. Let me just compare frozen stem

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cells and a little thing about the size of a

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cigarette container, frozen for hoverlong, taken from whomever with what

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other health condition, where they injected with m RNA, don't know,

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don't care, shipped around the country, bounces around in a

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FedEx truck singing in a chiropractor's office. Who's going to inject.

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Speaker 3: You with them?

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Speaker 1: Versus the stem cells at renew taken from the literal

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delivery room from a woman they know whose health they've monitored.

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They've monitored the health of the fetus. They take the

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umbilical cord, they take the placenta, They take it down

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to their lab. It's a five minute walk. They analyze them.

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They reject eighty percent to ninety percent of the cells.

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They take the ten percent and they culture them. And

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the morning they inject you, they check to make sure

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the cells are still very active. Which one's better? Gas station,

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sushi or something cut in front of you? In front

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of you. Steve Anderson doesn't want to be in Mexico.

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He likes it. He'd really do this United States. And

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by the way, the United States, Steve Anderson could build

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a clinic here in a week. He could unbox it

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in a week. So if you want real healthcare, you

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want to be the CEO of your healthcare. You want

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to go where care is actually legal. You want the

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use of your hands, back or your knee. You want

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to reverse aging, join me, go to renew r E

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n U e dot healthcare. Please tell me part of

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the Todd Herman Show Family. It's renew r E n

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U E dot Healthcare. Zach Abram's with us, my brother,

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my friends, chief and vestment officer Bulwarck Capital Management, and

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a guy who's not going to take any big thrill

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in this discussion because it's a hard thing. Zach's a

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conservative and a Christian man. But you had a very

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similar response that I did to President Trump tweeting, and

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I believe it was on Easter morning, This ridiculously horrible

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threats to destroy an entire civilization and never come back again,

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not to mention his use as the f words, you

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f ing b words. Open the strait and let's start there.

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But then let's quickly get into you guys looking at

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this simply as financial forecasters. That was your job. What's

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likely to happen financialized? So you had to look at

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the war contingency. So here we go. You saw the tweets.

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Speaker 4: I call these bad business discussions, right, meaning meaning they

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don't make you any any friends.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: The people that already hate you, it's not going to

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win you any favors. There.

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Speaker 4: The people that love you, the majority of your supporters,

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they're not going to be happy about it. But I

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think you feel similarly to I that I do, which is,

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when you dedicate your life to following Christ, you're going

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to fail at it all the time. Right, It's like

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a it's a it's a game of failure. But at

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the same time, you've you've elected to live your life

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by a rule of laws that are higher than man's. Yes,

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and I and I think that that obligates you to

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tell the truth, especially when it's not popular, indeed, especially

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when it makes you hated, especially when it costs you. Right,

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and I talk my kids about that all the time.

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I'm like, you know, the way you know that it's

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the most important time to tell the truth, it's when

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the cost is the highest.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I found it completely repugnant. I found it reprehensible. I

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found it disgusting. I didn't want to be associated with it.

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And the reason why is it does not correspond to

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my understanding of the way that we are.

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Speaker 3: Challenged to act.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't correspond with the way that I believe that

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we were challenged to speak. I don't think it corresponds

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with our general respect toward human life. I do not

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think it's reflective of our values as a country. Certainly

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not reflective of my values individually, and especially in my

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opinion when.

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Speaker 3: It's the result of a series of.

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Speaker 4: Undescribable and irrational decisions.

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Speaker 3: And I would be happy to explain what I mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's get to the rationality of this in

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a second. But let's start with something that that that

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we're told to do. We're told to take all thoughts

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captive to Christ. Okay, and how do we do that? Well,

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we have the fruit of the spirit as a tool.

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We've got the definition of biblical love as a tool.

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We've got the way Jesus communicated and acted as a tool.

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We've got mature Christians people Mum mature, and the faith

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in us to run things by wise counsel. We do

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that with you, financially and spiritually. So the President puts

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out a statement that contains the f words, open this,

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open the the fing straight you b words. Does that

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contain let's say, patience, kindness, self control?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Does it contain charity, long suffering? No?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: You could deliver a direct message. The President could say,

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look it reluctantly. If you don't open the strait. We're

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going to bomb a bunch of your facilities and your

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bridges and your power centers. And we don't pray that

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civilians aren't harmed, but we're going to destroy these things.

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They're going to be gone, they won't exist any longer.

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Please just open the street. And then then at one

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point to add praise be to Allah and to hear

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people like Dnsch, Desuza and Ben Shapiro come out and

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defend that as intellectual giant hood. I'm sorry, I'm looking

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at that. Then I'm looking at the destroy an entire civilization?

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Is that what you mean when you say, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: History is replete with this, and if we haven't learned

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our lessons, we're illiterate.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: If you become what you seek to destroy, then that

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is the worst outcome. Meaning I know people that yell

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Glory be to God when they're about ready to kill

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a bunch of civilians.

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Speaker 3: And ain't Americans right?

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Speaker 4: If we become the monster that we're trying to vanquish,

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then we've accomplished nothing.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: The reason what gives us that moral recte, what gives

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us that moral certainty of our cause, is that we

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don't act like them. And the minute you start doing

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like again, I understand, it's just words, and I get

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the people that are going to say, Okay, but if

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we will not call this out on our side, we

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have absolutely zero moral standing to call it out on

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the opposite side.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly, And yes, it's just words. And Alex and

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the deal, and at the second I made this criticism,

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I knew people go, well, you don't get it. This

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is Trump negotiating Todd. You're never going to get it

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to you. He always goes in hard and he always

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comes back. And I've said on the show, though, I

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get it, but I'm sorry. You work for me, mister president.

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You are elected by me. I do not stand with

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the desire or even a willingness to wipe from the

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face of the earth the Persian society.

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Speaker 3: We don't do that. We don't do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not Americans, that's not Christians, that's not our game.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then I see Ben Shapiro come out and say, well,

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in the Bible, in your old old Testament, God tells

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people to utterly obliterate, coiled the Jewish people to utterly

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obliterate the society multiple times in the Old Testament. It's

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not new for God to do this. And maybe God's

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saying that that that President Trump should go utterly obliterate

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the society. Why are you surprised by this? This is

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in the Old Testament.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you make your wife stay in a red

478
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tent when she's menstruating too? Like, meaning there's a new contract?

479
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Speaker 1: Could we take that out later? Because I actually do

480
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do that. My wife has asked me not mention that.

481
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Speaker 3: No, no, look, and I'm not called like, I know

482
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my Bible. I love it.

483
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Speaker 4: I'm a guy that believes that the living the Old

484
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Testament is living just like the New Testament. But I

485
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also recognize that like there was a there was a

486
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new deal, right, there was a new deal. And you

487
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notice Jesus never wants to asked anybody to roll into

488
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another country and kill all their firstborn right, maybe that

489
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was part.

490
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Speaker 1: Of the new deal, and there were reasons by that

491
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In the Old Testament, the context matters. Those cultures were

492
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seeking to infiltrate the Jewish people and have their idols

493
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inserted into their households and seduce their men into having

494
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sexual relations with these temple prostitutes male and female, to

495
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distract them from falling God. They were to be in

496
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the world and not of it, so God said to them,

497
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and they were warned. The prophets went to them and warned,

498
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these people, leave the Jewish people alone, don't do this.

499
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All that context matters. Jesus came and fulfilled the law.

500
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And I know there's going to be people going, oh, okay,

501
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so you say the Old Testament stands todd but not

502
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the red tenth thing, right, because Jesus made very very

503
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clear on issues of hygiene, et cetera. It's not what

504
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goes into the body. It's not the state of how

505
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you look, the whitewash tomb thing. It's what you speak.

506
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This is what can poison people.

507
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Speaker 3: It's what you.

508
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Speaker 1: Speak, et cetera. He clarified a lot, some things, he

509
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made harder, some things that hes some people would say

510
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he made softer because we've got redemption in him. We

511
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can be rescued by him, and you know that's available that.

512
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But on this is the front that's interesting to me

513
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is you guys, are you're a Christian man. Clearly you

514
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and I felt the same way about these tweets, and

515
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I believe if we're going to go to war, do

516
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it reluctantly. And if we're going to go to war,

517
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say to our war fighters, okay, we're going. You guys

518
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go in and you kill the enemy soldiers and you

519
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,920
break their things as quickly as you can avoid civilian deaths.

520
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Be prayerful about this. Come home alive. We love you.

521
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You're the best military in the world. Go get it done.

522
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Come home alive. Have restraint. But Zach, we should be

523
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praying every morning, Lord, is this righteous? Do you bless this?

524
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Can we do this in a way? You bless? And

525
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we should mourn every single death, even the death not

526
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during the battle, but even afterwards. We should be burning

527
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to death. These are God's creation. Look at these dead bodies.

528
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Look at this. Oh Lord, Oh have mercy, because I'll

529
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remind people this. God said, he who extends mercy will

530
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receive it. So on judgment Day you could be sitting

531
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there saying, Lord, have mercy, and he who go schurey,

532
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I'll give you just as much as you gave them.

533
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How's that?

534
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Speaker 4: And just like you and I said, guys, I get it.

535
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I'm with you. If you think on the other side.

536
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But you've got to remember something. It's when we feel

537
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the most justified to take those actions, is when it's

538
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the most important.

539
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Speaker 3: We don't right like that.

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Speaker 4: That's the whole game, right is death of the flesh,

541
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death of dying to self, right, adhering to a higher standard.

542
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Speaker 3: And that's that's not what we're doing.

543
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Speaker 4: And that was and that's the part of that next

544
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conversation where you go, this was flawed from the outset.

545
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Speaker 1: This is the part. So you guys at Bulwark, you know,

546
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this is my wife and I my wife and have

547
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,640
most of our money with you are their assets elsewhere

548
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,039
and land, et cetera. But you guys sat down and

549
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look at this from a financial perspective. This is going

550
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to be a huge world event. You got this webinar

551
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,839
coming up, you guys are doing one April twenty six,

552
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,279
three thirty pacific. Know your riskpodcast dot com. You can

553
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:55,680
go do that. You got to talk about these things.

554
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But just by financial forecasting, you guys said, okay, what's

555
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the likely outcome on this war? And tell people what

556
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you delivered in terms of the likely outcome of this war.

557
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Speaker 4: Well, the great thing about this is when you do

558
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a daily podcast like ours.

559
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Speaker 3: You don't have to take my word for it. You

560
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can go back and read the receipts yourself.

561
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, you said, yeah, right, I'll go back

562
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to the beginning, the very beginning, when we first moved

563
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a carrier into the Persian Gulf. Okay, I think it

564
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,279
was the Reagon was that it, I think? So anyway,

565
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,279
move the carrier into the golf. And at that point

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are my head of research, who used to work for

567
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Air Force Intel. He's like, oh, we're going to go

568
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on Iran, and I was like, I disagreed.

569
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Speaker 3: He and I disagreed.

570
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Speaker 4: And the reason I disagreed was because our assessment from

571
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the outside was that the only reason to go in

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Iran anymore would be regime change, meaning you took out

573
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the nuclear facility as best we can tell, right, And

574
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I think our actions in Iran have proven that because

575
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you've noticed nobody's claiming victory of taking out another nuclear force, right,

576
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which means they pretty much got it. So we were

577
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looking at that and saying, what have we learned through history? Again,

578
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an aerial bombing campaign in military history has never resulted

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in regime change ever.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So.

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Speaker 4: What our first thought was, well, why would you expect

582
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this to work? And I believed Trump, and I think

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Trump has been good to his promise. I didn't think

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he ever intended to put boots on the ground, and

585
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I think he didn't want to.

586
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Speaker 3: And I still believe that. But our whole thought, and.

587
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Speaker 4: I want people to realize this, it wasn't that we

588
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were against it. If you weren't going to put boots

589
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on the ground, there was nothing to accomplish. Now you're

590
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going to hear people come out and say, well, we're

591
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going to get their uranium. I said this about two

592
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weeks ago. The minute the uranium topic came up. I

593
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actually took that as a sign that we were close

594
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to a resolution. Why did I take that as a

595
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sign to a close to a resolution? Because the only

596
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reason that you would include include the uranium in any

597
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deal is so you could look back at the American

598
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,960
public and say, look what we got. Meaning taking their

599
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,599
uranium means nothing. They can have it back within six

600
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to three to six months. They have the ability to

601
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make it internally. That's not the real trick. Even enriching

602
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uranium isn't the real trick to make a nuclear bomb.

603
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So it's it's it's a total non sequent right it.

604
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They pivoted to uranium when they realized they had just

605
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entered into an extraordinarily concave outcome scenario, meaning virtually no

606
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,839
upside and all downside if you're not willing to put

607
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,119
boots on the ground, right, And so people have been like,

608
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I don't know why you're against the war, and I go,

609
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I'm not. You're not listening to what I'm saying. I

610
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,599
think the Iranian regime is awful. I don't think Trump

611
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is willing to risk another Iraq And by putting boots

612
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,079
on the ground, that's what you do because the minute

613
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you put soft targets in play, you can't if twenty

614
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of them get blown up by a missile, you can't

615
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just say, oh, that's no good route.

616
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Speaker 3: Right now you're in it.

617
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Speaker 4: And we just never thought he was willing to He

618
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is demonstrated now that he's not willing to put boots

619
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on the ground. And so that goes back to my

620
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,759
original question. If we weren't ready to put boots on

621
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the ground, why did we go there in the first place.

622
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Speaker 1: You guys made another prediction economically, and it was real

623
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it was oil.

624
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Speaker 3: Right, So what we said, and this is just through

625
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basic research.

626
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Speaker 4: Remember, I don't have access to Masad until we just

627
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I give my researchers.

628
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Speaker 3: They're really good, a lot of credit.

629
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Speaker 4: But they really dug into this and they said, listen,

630
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for the last twenty years, Iran's entire defense strategy is

631
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the straight They have geared everything toward it.

632
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Speaker 2: Right.

633
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,519
Speaker 3: It reminds me of like.

634
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:41,319
Speaker 4: Lord of the Rings when they go Saarron is bent

635
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,160
on the ring, right, all of his energy is focused

636
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,160
on it. Yeah, that was their strategies. They become an

637
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,279
extremely effective porcupine. So the question everybody was asking the

638
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,400
wrong question. The question wasn't can you go in there

639
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,240
and beat them? Yes, we can beat them with our

640
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,119
slippers on. That's not the question.

641
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Speaker 3: The question is once the strait is closed, which faries

642
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,559
through twenty percent of global oil supply. Okay.

643
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,279
Speaker 4: And the other thing people don't understand about oil. If

644
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,440
you're three percent short or you're eleven percent short, the

645
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,759
outcome is virtually identical.

646
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: Okay.

647
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,799
Speaker 3: It's not one of those things where you're like, oh,

648
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,160
well we still have eighty percent.

649
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: Twenty percent of people aren't gonna be able to turn

650
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,759
their lights on, right, That's not how this works. It's

651
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,720
a much more acute issue. So going into Iran never

652
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,440
should have been a conversation about who's going to win.

653
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,160
The conversation would have been about so when we moved

654
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,039
on Iran. Here's how convinced we were of this. When

655
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,359
we moved on Iran, I looked at my head of

656
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,640
research and I said, holy smokes man, they must have

657
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,599
a plan for the straight Like I was sitting there, going,

658
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,480
this is going to be crazy. I don't know what

659
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,920
they've got planned, right, Like, they must have a plan.

660
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000
They didn't have a plan. They didn't have a plan.

661
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And if here I don't say this.

662
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: This, here's the heck outemy.

663
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: I don't say this to brag, to stick our chests

664
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,400
out to say we got it right. I say it

665
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,039
because it scares the living heck out of me. The

666
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:11,039
two guys sitting in an office in downtown Tacoma were

667
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,960
able to ascertain the exact problems, the exact choke points,

668
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,240
and said, we think within six to eight weeks will

669
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:21,319
end up having to leave, and it's probably going to

670
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,279
be with Iran in a better position than they were

671
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:23,640
to start.

672
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: And I just guess what here we are? I just

673
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,519
say this, Zach. You know Bulwark. You guys do what

674
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,799
you do and you're the best at it. But I

675
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,839
would say this. I think there was a plan militarily.

676
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,839
I'll tell you why, because all the steps I went through,

677
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,039
talking with my friends who served in you know, Team guys,

678
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:42,440
Tim Krukshank, Michael Rocar, the people there was taking up Maduro,

679
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,519
then positioning in Greenland and going in and trying to

680
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,279
block China and Russia. And I think they had a

681
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,920
plan for the street armits. I think it involved navy seals.

682
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,799
I think it involved drone submarines, drone boats. I think

683
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:58,240
the drone boats are going to go off and set

684
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,440
off his explosives, drone subs. I think they had sealed teams.

685
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,079
I understand Delta. Was there a Delta team? I understand

686
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:06,440
sealed team sixers in there. And then here's what I

687
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,079
think happened. I think the oil prices skyrocket, and I

688
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,799
think the last person in the room with President Trump

689
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,759
came and said, sir, you're gonna lose the midterms. Gas

690
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,519
prices are going to lose the midterms. And I think

691
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,519
that somewhere along the line President Trump looked at that

692
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:23,960
and said, yeah, you're right, we can't afford to lose

693
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,559
the midterms.

694
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 4: Well, that that and I think there's another part of

695
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,720
this that again through our research, I can't confirm it,

696
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,480
but it is very clear to us that they know

697
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,720
a lot of people did this, that they greatly underestimated

698
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:42,519
that the technological advances of their missile systems, meaning their

699
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:43,920
missile systems.

700
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,119
Speaker 3: Have gotten way more accurate, right, And that was.

701
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Speaker 4: The yeah, And that was the issue with the straight

702
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:54,640
because they've just packed those They've got missiles everywhere, right,

703
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,359
and I'm talking like not big batteries that are easy

704
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,480
to take out. They were smart about how they did this,

705
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,319
meaning they might have a battery that's only got three

706
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,119
or formoscles on it, well, right, and they.

707
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: Rolled them around on these big transports and then they

708
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,839
roll them back out of these deep, deep caves that

709
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,400
we'd need bunker busters and we could eventually go get

710
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,519
but we need bunker busters all over the place. So

711
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,719
I believe our military. Look, I'm with you, our military

712
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can do anything. But they can't. They can't overcome a

713
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president looking at a massive midterm loss based upon gas

714
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,599
prices when the economy has been his strength. And I

715
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,480
happen to think that, just like with COVID, that President

716
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,679
Trump accidentally gave control of the country to this psychopath Fauci.

717
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I believe this has two wins for the deep state.

718
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,119
I think it puts President Trump at risk for the midterms.

719
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It took his strength the economy because Zach, he was

720
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bringing the economy back. We were a net oil exporter again,

721
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:52,280
we had manufacturer coming back again, we had sensical tax

722
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,800
cuts again, and they step in, sir, we need to

723
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attack Iran because they're gonna nuke us. And what did

724
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,119
they do with Fauci? You know thirty percent of Americans

725
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:02,519
are going to die from this flu. Oh, we can't

726
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have that.

727
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Speaker 4: Well, and just so people realize too, like Zach, are

728
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,599
you and so you're saying you don't want to get

729
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rid of the regime.

730
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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I want to get rid of the regime.

731
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I want them gone. Here's the issue.

732
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Speaker 4: How many American lives am I willing to spend in

733
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,599
that process? And the answer due to recent historical events

734
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,000
when you look at if this goes wrong, right, I

735
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,320
think it would be irresponsible to have a ground invasion

736
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,880
of Iran. Consider you guys much different topography than Iraq.

737
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,159
Iraq is flat, Iran is not. Iran has three times

738
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:41,440
the population. Okay, So if you use Iraq as an

739
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,760
example of how it can go bad, right, and you

740
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:49,000
set that to the conditions in Iran, I think that

741
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if you go in there with ground too troops, you

742
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,400
have to be prepared to spend thirty to forty thousand

743
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,800
American lives. Now, that could be off, but in my math,

744
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,360
that seems like a prudent thing.

745
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: Ye, I'm not willing to spend. I'm not willing to

746
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,119
do that. I don't want to.

747
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,199
Speaker 4: I don't want to see thirty forty thousand casks come

748
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:07,400
back with a flag on it.

749
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,519
Speaker 1: And I don't want to either. I'm so sick of

750
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,679
fighting this. And I said this the other day to

751
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,280
Michael Rourke, who he did a bunch of deployments over there.

752
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,599
I think you've met, Mike, Yes, I know you have

753
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,079
one of our speaking events. I said that to Mike.

754
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:20,840
I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick. And he goes,

755
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,960
you know what, Todd, I'm sick of having our embassy's attacked.

756
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

757
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,679
Speaker 1: I'm sick of seeing our marines murder. Todd. I'm sick

758
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,360
of seeing our troops who are simply on patrols in.

759
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: Syria murder, then go in.

760
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: But this is this is him who he did it, Zach.

761
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,119
He's the guy who kicked indoors. Yeah, and Tim's the

762
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guy who kicked indoors. He's the guy who fought literal,

763
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,679
literal battles in actual Babylon. These are guys who did

764
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:53,039
it like you and I didn't. And they're saying finally

765
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:56,000
they're going to go get it done. They they were

766
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,280
willing to see the people who are just younger versions

767
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,960
of themselves go face that future, those risks because of

768
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,199
what they've seen from Shia Islam, and they believe that.

769
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,239
They believe Iran is the problem in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: And look, I don't disagree, like I don't disagree with

771
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any of that, but my whole point was you didn't

772
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,320
go in there with that prerogative that read so I

773
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,119
don't I hate halfway pregnant. If you're going to fight

774
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,639
a war, you need to simultaneously say you are turning

775
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:33,360
off political sensibilities. I detest the idea of putting men

776
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,800
in theater and then making political decisions.

777
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Speaker 3: I think it's detestable. Right right.

778
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Speaker 4: So if you're gonna go in, unleash them with a

779
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,400
plan and go do it, don't do this.

780
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Speaker 1: Right right, And maybe the shakanaw thing is we come

781
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,559
in and we take out like like they did with

782
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,159
that great intel, took out the power base where they're

783
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,559
all meeting in that same place. And this is me

784
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,800
and everybody who's ever served the military is gonna laugh

785
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,039
at me. Maybe we do the thing where just that

786
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,719
night then paratures come in, you know, five thousand of

787
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,719
them into the city. We're going to find every leader

788
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,280
we want the bunkers want to know where they're at.

789
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,679
We're going to hang them, yep, and we're gonna do

790
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,079
it publicly, just like they did to the Iranian protesters.

791
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,880
We're gonna hang them in front of their people. Here

792
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,639
they are, here's their faces, here's the generals. You want

793
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,079
regime change, it's done. This is the regime change, by

794
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:21,599
the way. We're running things now, and we're gonna run

795
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:23,840
elections here and you guys get to elect your leaders.

796
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: But again, here's here's one other thing. I want to

797
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:28,719
answer it into this too. Just see you know now

798
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,920
this is I can't I can't give you my source

799
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,360
on this one. But the other thing is I think

800
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,360
that the belief that the regime was on the ropes

801
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,480
from their own citizen replayed large into this as well,

802
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,800
because I was I've been informed by people in the

803
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,639
know UH that we actually there was a large effort

804
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,480
to get weapons to the Iranian UH, to the Iranian

805
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,119
citizens via the Kurds.

806
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

807
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Speaker 4: Well, the Kurds kept the money and kept the weapons

808
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,559
and flipped us off. And I look at that and went,

809
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,519
that's why you don't go around breaking promises to people

810
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:06,639
and leaving them hanging.

811
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,639
Speaker 5: Which we did to the Curds big time, right, because

812
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,360
that's when told them right, and Saddam came in with

813
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,639
actual chemical weapons and if you doubt that, you can

814
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,440
go watch the videos.

815
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,679
Speaker 3: And we did it to these multiple times.

816
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: We need to talk about one other major thing, and

817
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,239
this has to do with energy policy, and AI will

818
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,320
talk with Zach Abraham. I was just talking about Tim

819
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,719
who served over there. So let me just mention that

820
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,519
with our guys at risk and this is man cease firetime,

821
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,280
this is one of the surprise attacks coming by the way,

822
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,360
getting your guys out of theater, that's dangerous. That's a

823
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,960
super super dangerous time. So with in mind the people

824
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,079
who served, they were willing to die for us. They

825
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,280
did exactly as they were told. They shined in this.

826
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They showed that we could express our will across the

827
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world because of the best military, largely because they're volunteer

828
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and they train and they love, et cetera. So honor

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I was, this is a horrible thing that happens, and

845
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:50,679
don't do this. If you hate, you know, get to

846
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,159
the Bible. Give that hate to God. He wants that

847
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,199
from you. He can handle it. But a guy apparently

848
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:59,239
shot up the door of a city councilman because the

849
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,719
city councilman voted for a data center. And this data

850
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,400
center they're destroying farmlands, water rights, and they are just

851
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:13,159
destroying energy rates in many sectors. I have really struggled

852
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:14,880
with this because, you know, the whole free market thing,

853
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,000
here's where I've landed. Utilities aren't free market. They are

854
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:25,639
monopolies of government. And when these data centers get placed

855
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,519
in people at places like Reardon, Washington. You've ever been

856
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,679
to Ruden, Yeah, okay, so it's a beautiful little time

857
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,719
through it. Yeah, no one really goes into Arden. It's

858
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,679
it's no fence to Reardon. It's but it's it's maybe

859
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,000
two or three cafes and maybe one or two schools.

860
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,920
I think there's you know a couple of churches there.

861
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,440
Nice people I knew people, Farmtown, Farmtown, right, beautiful salts

862
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,239
of the earth. So Google comes along and they need

863
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,039
four hundred acres and they need water, and it's right

864
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:54,960
on the Columbia River. They get that, and then they

865
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,440
plug into the Ruden energy grid and all of a sudden,

866
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,400
you've got people in Ruden going, wait a minute, why

867
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,199
am I paying twelve hundred a month for utilities? I

868
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,800
can't afford this? And Google says, we don't care. I

869
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,119
think these data companies, these AI companies that a they

870
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:16,280
are reselling us the whole history of human knowledge they stole,

871
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,400
they're re scrambling and giving to us as if they

872
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
created it. So we that's they shouldn't be able to

873
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,159
sell us our own knowledge, b Zach. These guys have

874
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,599
got to be forced to build their own energy production facilities.

875
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is in my opinion, this is a perfect

876
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:38,960
example of how the idea and definition of capitalism, antitrust,

877
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,800
all of these things need to get modernized because there's

878
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,639
a big part of free markets that work because you

879
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,400
have interconnected incentives.

880
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,159
Speaker 3: Right.

881
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,199
Speaker 4: So, for instance, if we think about like a small

882
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,760
you know, ironically a small towns like the perfect way.

883
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:55,039
Speaker 3: To look at this.

884
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have a business in a small town.

885
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,599
That small town's prerogative is to make make a profit.

886
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,960
But that or excuse me, that business is prerogative is

887
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,000
make a profit. But that business, because it's in this

888
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:11,800
small town, it understands intricately it cannot put making a

889
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,760
profit above the well being of the people that live

890
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,239
alongside of them, because those are their customers, right, they

891
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,599
be cutting off their nose.

892
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: Despite their face effectively, yeah, okay.

893
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: As technology has expanded, so too of the reach of businesses. Okay,

894
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,400
so that dynamic no longer exists. If you think about Google,

895
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,960
how bad is Google damaged? If what they do and

896
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,239
reared and completely kills the entire town, it doesn't matter

897
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,360
to Google one iota.

898
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: Okay. So what that.

899
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,679
Speaker 4: Tells you is that Google is operating outside the bounds

900
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,480
or the constraints that capitalism and free markets are supposed

901
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,440
to provide. Another way you can tell that is that

902
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,960
power generation is not being used to produce products for

903
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,039
that area or just for American citizen, and that power

904
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:05,000
generation they are effectively selling the product of that halfway

905
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,880
around the world, right at the cost of the people,

906
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,480
at the cost of the people that live there, with

907
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,360
no benefit to the people who live there, right, So

908
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,400
saying that, look, we have to readdefined.

909
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: That is not an example of free markets.

910
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: That is an example of people taking advantage of the

911
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,159
archaic remnants of what was.

912
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,039
Speaker 3: A free market system at one point. Right, they're working

913
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:29,280
through the loopholes.

914
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 4: And so when that happens, what we should be saying is, yeah,

915
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,719
you can buy land and put up a data center,

916
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,480
but you don't get a plug into the you don't

917
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,920
get a plug into the public grid, right, And creating

918
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,360
legislation around that, that's simple. It isn't punitive, but it

919
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,199
has no loopholes. No, no, if you want it that

920
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,239
part of that lands you bought, put up solar panels,

921
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,400
put up that gas facilities, you figure it out. But

922
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,800
you're not going to go in here and three x

923
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,719
or utility prices and at our cost to sell data,

924
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,719
our data effectively what your LLM is built off of,

925
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,920
halfway around the world to people that don't even pay

926
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,039
taxes here in our own country.

927
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Speaker 2: Yep.

928
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: Right, So we have to get smarter about this.

929
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: And ironically, if you look at it truthfully and it's balanced.

930
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,119
But this is what the left in this country actually

931
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:26,000
used to be useful for. Right, That pushback that counterbalance

932
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,239
to big business. Yep, they're captured. Just they're captured even

933
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,960
more so now than people are there right right, because

934
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,440
because those companies have realized that no, no, no, no, don't

935
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:39,320
back the free market guys, back the regulators and help

936
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,000
them write the regulation.

937
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:44,159
Speaker 1: Right right, and that way you have Now you have

938
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:48,199
the the the the let's say, rhetorical remnants of a

939
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,360
republican form of democracy. You know, this is a public

940
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,320
private partnership. But they know that the regulators, they don't.

941
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,880
They're not behold into elections, election cycles, the opinions of people.

942
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,840
That's exactly, that's Zach. That's how they launched the trans thing.

943
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,400
So here's the irony. They went to the back end,

944
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,480
to the human rights commissions, et cetera, the library commissions,

945
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,440
the school commissions before they ever brought it to the voters.

946
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So I think siliconfide look at I said, well that's

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a good model. Let's do that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: And then here's the other one that'll that you really

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cracks you up too. Right, The profits from that Google,

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the profits from that Google data center over there in Rearden, Washington,

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the profits that they churn out are going to be

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taxed at twenty two percent. The store owner in downtown

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Reard and he's going to be taxed at thirty eight.

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Speaker 3: There you go. That's democracy and action.

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Speaker 1: Baby, Well, it's and democracy.

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Speaker 4: Well and then and now Washington State is going we're

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going to pass an additional tax that's going to slap

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an extra ten percent on that business owner. And again

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Google doesn't have to pay it. Hey, let's design an

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economic system that absolutely crushes small and family owned businesses

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and makes megacap tech companies even more rich.

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Speaker 3: That's what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Ye, well said, well said. Appreciate the wise counsel today,

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my brother, thank you for coming on, and we'll continue

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to pray for your safe exit. I hope you get

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out there out of there before they pass that exit tax,

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because they're gonna call it the Abraham tax. I know.

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Speaker 3: Oh lordy, I'll pray for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, Appreciate you. This is the Todd Hermit Shaw.

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Please go be well, be strong, be kind, and please

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make every effort to walk in the light of Christ.