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I'm Brandola here with Ryan and I'm gonna tending the
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Speaker 3: Okay, Today we're talking about the arc of evolution yep.
Speaker 1: If you want to hear the full explanation. A couple
of weeks ago, we didn't want a white we kind
of did. Why we're doing this, give us the the
Coles notes of it is. People say Universes Beyond is
too strong, it's taken over the format, it's wrecking everything.
So we went back to the time before Universes Beyond,
using some data from the glorious folks and wonderful people
over at dh rec dot com.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like those guys.
Speaker 1: We got the top ten commanders in yep. Is it
descending order when you go from ten to one? Whatever?
Sure from twenty nineteen, because that's the year before Universe
Is Beyond happened to I Korea. Wow, And we're going
all the way forward to today, and we're going to
compare the two top ten lists to see if really
it's what's changed. And I think that over the last
couple of weeks we've found that, yeah, there's some UB influences, Yeah,
but I think more over than that.
Speaker 3: Far less, far less than I was expecting, and.
Speaker 1: We're doing it really kind of points out that they've
they've been supporting under supported win conditions and strategies, and
I don't know, I think that it kind of shows
that maybe the game is actually kind of pretty healthy
right now. I think so based on what we've done
forty percent of the monocolor decks that we've done, I
don't know, it seems pretty good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I think in White there was two
in the top ten and Blue had two in the
top ten or one and two something like that.
Speaker 1: I think so Blue had two for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, White had two because it had Anti Venom and
it had Cloud.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got one more. Thank you before
we get into the list. And you'd know what I'm
talking about if you're watching on YouTube. Should I've got
my pile of bones brewing co hat on.
Speaker 1: It's it's I can't flash, I couldn't see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like I got only half a head.
Speaker 1: I just saw like a little like a buffalo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got a Northern Planes bison on. It's crazy,
but it's actually pile of bones brewing cold. They're on
the table here. I have gloriously on display our cosmic celebration.
IPA very sweet cuts the bitterness of the normal IPA
with the sweetness of space. Space. I suppose space is sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm washing it.
Speaker 3: Down with a little frickin' Uncle Brando special hold brew
Americano stout.
Speaker 1: I like stout slots maybe.
Speaker 3: Black black sniff my crack. Are we getting into it?
I don't want this episode to take two hours like
the one which was some of them are.
Speaker 1: It's hard because like you're seeing stuff that you didn't
expect and we're getting surprised.
Speaker 3: It's like, we got a lot to say about this game.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie about
this one in order to prevent myself from knowing the
lists really well. There is a non zero percent chance
that I had maybe imbibed a few pile of bones
is while I made the slideshow for the episode, So
maybe I don't necessarily know what we're gonna see either,
so we should maybe get into that so we can
all be surprised together. This is very fun then then,
meaning twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: Good graphic. I can tell you had some pile of
bones because it's just a black blob. You see it
if you're watching.
Speaker 1: On YouTube, which you should be.
Speaker 3: Okay. First card, this is card number ten from twenty nineteen. Yes, hmm,
Schizos Caretaker from Camera Gala Betrayers. That is, this is
a two to two spirit for five. What this is
sucky already?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why are we playing that?
Speaker 3: Whenever a creature power one or less is put into
your graveyard from the battlefield, you may return that creature
play under your control. Uh if chary blah blah blah
stilln't play at the end of turn, yes, so small
thing dies, you get it back at the end of turn.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You sack all your little dudes to do a thing,
all make magic, put counters on your black market, kill
the creatures with attrition, whatever you're doing. Then you get
it back. All of the above and we'll never see
this card again probably, hey.
Speaker 3: Like definitely not, especially if there's no like rat colonies
or relentless rats or oh persistent petitioners. Yeah, definitely, God, yeah,
this is this is this is a Ron Karr's commander
for his freaking the coolest death that ever existed.
Speaker 1: Way to blow the surprise. Are gonna see Sharai this
shitty Camagawa commander again. Way to ruin it for everybody, Ryan.
Speaker 3: Oh, I guess I'm just inexperienced at this.
Speaker 1: Now we should probably just go to the next card.
Speaker 3: Just to this card's good. It is very good, this card.
I see this card in the ninety nine lots.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm actually surprised that it was on the list
for twenty nineteen because things that you had mentioned rat
colonies and all that shit, like they didn't really exist yet.
Speaker 3: So are you sure?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: We' rat colony and consistent conditioners. What I meant is
restless those are star stars, So those stars exist everywhere
that they are right, So actually she can't get those back,
so I shouldn't have said those. What I meant was
the other cards that you could play any number of
in a deck, and that is.
Speaker 1: Well, star is less than one, Well no.
Speaker 3: Not if you've got a bunch of.
Speaker 1: When they're in the bin. There star it's not big.
Speaker 3: Are they zero when they're in the bin, Yes, because
it's only in play.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh so if you sacrifice all them, you get them
all back. Yeah, that's really good. That's why this card's good.
And the same with what's the demon one that I.
Speaker 1: Just said, Presidition. No, that's the blue one with Mills Godol.
Speaker 3: Shadow Born Apostle. That's we did and we almost got
yelled at the man Apostles.
Speaker 1: I can actually feel the gears in my head stop turning.
Speaker 3: Yes when we're looking. Yeah, like I never find this.
Speaker 1: I hope Brian gets it because I will not.
Speaker 3: Okay, she ray, Yeah, she's good, she's good. She's good.
Speaker 1: Man are oh man speak like it's like people are
playing rats. We just talked about rats. This is a
two three also from Cama Gabba block Ye black black
three for a two three rat rogue. All rats have
fear that means they can only be blocked by black
or artifact creatures. Yep, you can tap her. I believe
Zach a rat. You put x one to one rat
creatures into play, where x is the number of rats.
Speaker 3: You can see it's a rat doubler. Yes, it's a
rat doubler and sense this and sense relentless rats, and
sense rat colony and share goes in this deck. By
the way, you got like the Piper thing from Piper
of the Swarm. Piper of the Swarm. You got a
bunch of rat stuff in Ninja Turtles. There's there's a
ton of rat support. Rat might be the de.
Speaker 1: Facto like go wide strategy in Black Now I think
that it is over zombie.
Speaker 3: I think so. I think zombies zombies kind of have
that go tall and make a stronger army. But that's
all for nought if I've got like ninety rats.
Speaker 1: That's true, right, that's true. It's easier to make the
rats bigger than the zombies. It's easier to shrivel the
zombies down too. With like the little couple removal spells.
You got to sweep the rat, but you can like
pinpoint kill the zombies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta sweep the rats. And a lot of
the times they are tokens, but not with colony or relentless,
But with.
Speaker 1: Maron are they are probably the best mono Black Rat commander.
I'm just gonna say it, Well, I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to see if we've see the.
Speaker 1: Others will have to to find out and see what
we get.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, let's move on next on our list.
Speaker 1: Let's have a look. Oh yeah, razakat the Foul Blood.
It is an eight eight four eight demon flying trampler,
pay two life, sacrifice another creature. Search your library for
a card, put that guard into your hand, then shelfy
your library. So it has demonic tudor attached to it
and it's an eight eight and it flies and it's
against trample.
Speaker 3: This guy focks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is insane.
Speaker 3: This guy is good.
Speaker 1: He's the backbone to a lot of combo decks, like
a Razakath deck.
Speaker 3: Will just look to power him out as fast as
you can.
Speaker 1: And another creature in play to find the thing you
need to tutor for combos. Or he'll be the leader
of your demon deck. So you could just find all
the Liliana demons, right, and it's like a theme deck.
I can see why for a couple different reasons. This
guy might be your Oh man, he's from a he's
from an Amanket. He's like from amakt. So I don't
think people are gonna make an ama Cat deck with
this guy as the as the leader. But the Demon deck,
the Combo deck, the Tutor deck, the Sacrifice deck, the
pay life.
Speaker 3: Deck, He's gonna be all of that. Yeah. I like
this guy. I like guy. I play this guy.
Speaker 1: Honestly, He's a dude. I ever think about though as
a commander, never even I like. I get having the
power of having a tutor in the command zone.
Speaker 3: But he costs eight. This this I'm actually surprised that
he is this high because he costs eight and he
goes just as well in the ninety nine of your
Demon deck. I think there's better demon commanders than this guy,
I agree, and better demon commanders than this guy that
actually give you access to more than one color. Yeah,
so we won't see any of those today, but we'll
see if there's any other demons.
Speaker 1: But I'll bet you we will in ractose specifically.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, now that you mention it. What else we
got to say about this guy? Oh, we've been keeping
track of Watssea identifying cards that they think are going
to be good with the pre release date stamp, and
this guy follows suit.
Speaker 1: All three of them so far have had a date stamp.
Speaker 3: Really today, Oh, they did, but all three colors that
we've done, have had multiple date stamped cards in the
top ten. And I said, in white or blue, I
don't remember. It's as if Watsy knows which cards are
going to be good, and some of them I don't
think our cards that I would have thought that are
going to be in the top ten. You know what
I mean? Yes, it just goes to show that they
know more than I do. Yeah, but that's probably not hard.
They Yeah, maybe they're just guessing and they're right more
I got a higher clip than they should be. I
don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 1: Probably isn't. Oh, another date stamp card, Another date stamp card,
and another tutor in the command zone.
Speaker 3: And this time a zombie for five in Sidisi undid
Vizir four to six zombie snakes and I did there
snack yep for five with death death touch that has
exploit when this creature enters the battlefield quite important. Actually
it's not cast. So if I reanimate this guy, I
can still sacrifice something. And when I do, when it
exploits a creature, I search my library for a card,
put it into my hand, then shuffle. This card has
everything that it takes to be a good commander. It
costs five or less, which is becoming increasingly important with
the speed of the format.
Speaker 1: Now, yep, it's a zombie, which is important, and or
a snake if it's in your ninety nine, that could
be important. I like snake.
Speaker 3: It's got a high toughness.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: It has sacrifice a creature written.
Speaker 1: On it, which is good in black.
Speaker 3: And it could sacrifice itself. That's how exploit could work.
And it tutors for something, yes, and at ETBs not
cast et. Everything about this card is good and it
fucking blocks good because it's got death touch. Yes with
the six toughness, the six in the ass, Yeah, six
in the ass, don't go that it's a mini van. No,
that's five in the back. Two in the front.
Speaker 1: You're right, two in the front, five of the back. Yeah,
you're right, you're right. When you're right, you're right. What's
four in the front, two in the back, four in
the front, two and four in the front.
Speaker 3: Six in the back. That's like four. That's like four
dudes in a pack of Pilsner.
Speaker 1: Now, four in the front, six in the back is
the drive in movie in the sixties.
Speaker 3: When you hide in the trunk. Yeah, can confirm. My
wife and her sister hid in the trunk in the
drive through drive in so her parents didn't have to.
Speaker 1: Pay in the drive the burger cake get in the
trunkrunk right, like, But why shut up in the trunk.
But it's it's stuffy in there. Just let air out
of the spare tire. You'll be fine, right, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: The fucking spirit tire is a snorkel.
Speaker 1: Oh man, what's the next card. We've got two tutors
in the commands.
Speaker 3: This card cards from time guy card and I played
the last two cards in the ninety nine? Am I
the bad guy?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Dang, dang, he's supposed to say, No, I enjoy my
time with you. Couldn't be happier to have a podcasting
partner that plays these frick gandhy asshole.
Speaker 1: No, this guy sucks. He's terrible. He is a two
three with death touch four four. Whenever he enters the battlefield.
Look at the top card of target Opponents Library. Remove
it from the game. You can play it for as
long as it remains exiled. You can pay any man
as was any fucking type whatever. So instead of tutoring it,
lets you steal your opponents cards.
Speaker 3: Do people just play this because it lets you steal
their cards?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, because it's an ether born rogue two three for four,
Like none of that matters. Yeah, this guy's not doing anything.
They can't fucking blink them because it's black unless you
do a bunch of bullshit, because it's like artifact blink stuff.
Speaker 1: You have to jump through so many goddamn hoops, or
play cards that aren't very good. Yes, Like because you're
not playing blue or white to black. That's a hoop. Oh, okay,
playing bad cards hoop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on the same page.
Speaker 1: At ah.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm I got some feelings about this card and
our good friend Fugoff, he plays this card. It's fine.
I like playing with Geoff.
Speaker 1: I do too.
Speaker 3: I do too, And I don't mind playing against his
Gaunty deck because he's my friend and I like playing
with him, and I kind of know what it's about,
and it's a stereotypical Gaunty deck. But then I sit
down when somebody's playing Gaunty in the wild, like at
Command Magic con Las Vegas in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I will take my deck that was fun and put
it back in my bag. And pull out bellow, yeah,
and just pound the shit. Man. It's just not.
Speaker 3: I think the person who plays Gaunty is the person
I don't like playing against. Yes, that's why I made
a point to say that I like playing against Jeff.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's the exceptions to every rule, but I would
say that the rule is you probably I don't like
playing against Ganti deck. I just I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna push this a step further. I'm gonna push
this a step further, the way people don't like to
play against Baral chief of Compliance and a zombie lady
of scrolls counterspell dot deck from last week. That's how
I feel about playing against Gaunty. And it's not even
that they're stealing my stuff. If I build my deck right,
losing four cards or eight cards or twelve cards isn't
gonna make my deck not work.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Probably if it does, it does, like you got me fine,
I don't care about that. It's the play pattern that
it creates. It takes so fucking long because all my
cards I know what they do. Yeah, and the amount
of words on cards these days, jesus right, it's a
fucking dissertation. Yeah, you take four of my cards or
you blink gaunty and you're just like, oh, just give
me eight all at once. I'll do both triggers. It's like, man, bitch,
it's like, Okay, I guess I'll go for tacos and
I'll come back later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after you're done reading. If you're trying to figure
out my deck my combos exactly, I don't like and
I play fucking rev who's way worse.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying in that yes, because does Rev L
you cast them? Yep, Okay, ID of like that either.
Speaker 1: But man, I can't be used as any color.
Speaker 3: Ah yeah. So if you get like a white thing.
Speaker 1: And you're like, I can't do this, it's just like
treasures and all that stuff. Like the point is I
don't I can understand why people get frustrated with REV
because I get frustrated with Guanty.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, that's I like that. I like that,
And that's you having perspective because you've done it, You've
done the thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I appreciate I play the deck that does this
exact same thing for the same cost with higher power.
Speaker 3: Give me this, give me this, give me the give
me the mono black blink deck that blinks. Gaunty to
fucking mil me give me that deck.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it'll get there eventually. That's what I want,
you know, I want it to happen to me. I'm
full spready, I'm waiting for it. I don't because I'll
bet you it's gonna not just happen.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like a like a Gunty steals some
blink engine and then blinks you and they leave you
at like one card. Because if they fucking take all
your cards and you draw and then you lose, you
they lose their blink engine.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I don't like about steal decks.
And we'll say this and then we'll move on. But
I think that one of the things, and again i've
experienced this, is it almost encourages you to keep players
in the game because they're stealing their stuff. When they die,
their stuff goes away. So like, if you're really working
on a guy because they have the best shit, you're
the dinosaur deck, I'm gonna steal all your great shit.
Yeah yeah, well, now I can't kill you, and I
can't let them kill you either, because I've been in
a situation it's like, holy shit, Like, he's got this
board state that's insane and we can't get through it.
So let's kill the guy that owns all the cards
that he's using to get us a.
Speaker 3: Right, so all your cards go away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is it's fun, but if you're not prepared
for that, it can make for kind of shitty games sometimes,
and if you're playing against decks that are garbage, just
especially now in the era of like, uh synergy as
opposed to just bombs, sometimes you just end up with
a gamer like my deck doesn't fucking work?
Speaker 3: Cards are we should do the arc of synergy versus bombs?
What's better? That's a working working title obviously bombs bombs bomb.
Speaker 1: I always play bombs like bombs.
Speaker 3: You're a nass guy though.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, I smother me, yes, I don't want.
I fucking hate air. Ryan hates money. I hate air.
Speaker 3: I hate money and free time. Yeah yeah, next card,
massacre girl, speaking of smothering.
Speaker 1: Weren't expecting that, were you? Not?
Speaker 3: At all?
Speaker 1: It's a wrath in the command, Zoe, That's what it is. Uh?
Speaker 3: Actually the last gaunty end this one also uh please
promoms Yep. It's like they do I know. I think
that's just such a cool thing.
Speaker 1: Four four for five. It has menace when it comes
into play. It kills everything but her, and it doesn't
say that on the card, but that's what it does.
That's what it fucking does. To the point where I'm
not even gonna bother reading. I'm not and they I
think it's here because it's a wrath in the command zone, and.
Speaker 3: I think that a human assassin. Maybe that matters, that
that that's not irrelevant.
Speaker 1: It matters. Now I don't think it mattered then.
Speaker 3: No, But you know what, this is the kind of
way that it matters that people don't always think about
is like, oh, I cracked a kavan as souls and
I play ten creatures in my deck because Massacre massacregirl
dot deck is a control deck, and I play ten
creatures and like nine of them are humans. She's a
human And you just lay down Kavan or searle cavern
up souls and then you've got an uncountable wrath in
your command zone. That's fucking sick. So that's mega powerful.
Speaker 1: So we've had two rat commanders, a tutor, two tutors.
A tutor, Yeah, a drawing engine and a wrath of God.
That's a lot of utility in the command zone so
far in Mono Black in twenty nineteen. I suppose that's
a lot of utility, not a lot of theme, not
a lot of any of that stuff.
Speaker 3: No, there's there's no through line that I've identified yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tutors is close.
Speaker 3: If we if we get another one, yep, sacrifice engine
or reanimate engine. If we get another one or two. Sure,
like we've seen sacrificing, maybe be a theme massacre girl.
Maybe we want our guys to die, Maybe we want
death triggers. Then we've got Razikkath, We've got Sheira, right,
we've got the Marronar, Like, these are all things that
care about sacrificing. Maybe that's the very up to way
to build that argument, though I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1: Let's just keep going and we'll we'll see.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like this guy is another eight eight for eight.
It's another demon. It's another Liana demon too, right, that's
the theme.
Speaker 3: Demons.
Speaker 1: It's a flying and black pay two life creature gets
minus one minus one to let them turn, and whenever
you lose a life, you draw that many cards.
Speaker 3: Fuck This card is so good.
Speaker 1: It's another draw engine and it enables itself like this.
Do we need to explain why that's good?
Speaker 3: Is this the most powerful card so far that we've seen. Yes,
Black Pay two life minus a dude. I'm just gonna
do that till your dude is dead. I don't care
if it takes ten life to do, because I'm gonna
draw ten cards. Yeah, freaking grizzle brand. Who yuh what
this guy costs eight is way more than grizzle Brand. No,
it ain't. This card is so freaking good. Yeah, least
promo two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: Who'd you rather play? Razikkath or Villis Villais Villis.
Speaker 1: He doesn't just let you tutor, I know, but let's
mean draw more ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the cost of life. I hate life. Life
is for the weak, Life is for shitty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If I could give my life up at any moment,
I would do it, except for when you have one
life even then, even then, even because you your Platinum Angel.
Yeah yeah, that's totally why. Oh that's definitely why.
Speaker 3: Because you drew yourbistle persecutor and then donated it to somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's more likely. Yeah, maybe that happened. Yeah,
that might have happened.
Speaker 3: Yes, somebody else was playing gaunteer rev and cast your
bristle persecutor and you go, oh, idiot, villis all my life?
Kill everybody except that guy, Kill everybody except a bistle persecutor.
What a what a great world? Can you imagine living
in that world?
Speaker 1: That would be a good world to live, man, That
would be less sucky than the world we live in.
I heard that. Let's see the next.
Speaker 3: Phyllis broker of blood.
Speaker 1: Man, he fucks, it's a good one.
Speaker 3: Jeez, look at his biceps.
Speaker 1: It's jacked. He's only mildly jacked. He's less jack than me,
I suppose. Yeah. Oh, now we're.
Speaker 3: Into another promo card, Ayara? Is that how we say that?
Speaker 1: Ayara? First? That the lock thwe I knew that.
Speaker 3: We would see this card somewhere on the list.
Speaker 1: Two three for black, black, black Elf noble. So it's
got one relevant creature type.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Hey, that noble deck type that's coming together.
Speaker 1: And whenever she or another black creature comes to play
under your control, each point it looses a life, you
gain a life, and you can tap her to sack
a black creature to draw card.
Speaker 3: So she this is the Aristocrat dot deck. That's what
people do.
Speaker 1: This is mana black aristocrat.
Speaker 3: So you go turn one, aristocrat, turn two, aristocrat, turn three,
her turn four. Just blast out as much of everything
that you can as you can, because when they etb
you lose life. And when they die, like I don't know,
when I sacrifice a guy to draw card, you fuck
can lose life because all my aristocrats and there's a
mega redundancy of aristocrats now in Commander.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's the deck we're talking about. That's the
only deck we're talking about.
Speaker 3: She might go on, Oh no, she's an elf?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Does she go in the and she's sexy too?
Which I like?
Speaker 3: But yeah, she's kind of sexy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't I don't like to go to like
the physical, but oh no.
Speaker 3: We can, we can go to physical.
Speaker 1: But here we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Ah does she go in the Gulgari elf deck?
Does she go there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I guess she'd be in the ninety nine. That's not
what we're talking about this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would say that she probably does. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is there other decks other than Aristocrat doc deck that
we put her in is she is she the commander
of any shadow born apostle decks that you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: No, No, she's she'd be fine, but you can do
better elsewhere she's she is the aristocrat commander.
Speaker 3: What about a self mill shadow bourn apostle deck where
you mass reanimate them all and then mass sack them
all to get all your demons, because there's a lot
of freaking life losing when that shit happens.
Speaker 1: Well, that's I mean, you might as well. If you're
gonna do that, you just play Sir Conrad and just
do it better.
Speaker 3: Good point, Sir Conrad. Pretty good. I wonder if you're
going to see him?
Speaker 1: Who can say? I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't either. I don't know, but that's a good guess.
If this bitch is on the list, Sir Conrad better
be on the list because.
Speaker 1: He costs five though, who cares for how good he is?
Speaker 3: Oh man, So we were talking about Joey Schultz yesterday
on the cecopreciow we were and he's playing Babba Asagna
his bubbaa Saga deck and he had a Sir Conrad
in play, and I before he played his Sir Conrad,
I ripped out a freaking the one where you switch
your grave aird in your library morality shift. I morality shifted,
so I had like eighty cards in my graveyard. My
library had like ten cards. Yeah, and then he goes,
Sir Conrad, cool, cool bro right. So it comes back
to my turn and.
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 3: Rallity shift again. No, I go like Twilight's call, and
I go, wait a second. I can't Twilight's called because
like eighty creatures are gonna come on of my graveyard. Man,
Twilight's call gets me into a lot of trouble, doesn't
it does?
Speaker 1: Frick? Yeah, I shouldn't have eaten that one.
Speaker 3: No, keep going yogma. This has got to be number one.
It's number one. Okay, let's go back, let's go all
the way back.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is man like. We're going pretty
slow one okay. No, she raised ten ten, nine nine,
Marinara eight, Raven DC six, Gante five, ask Girl four
Vellous three Iyara two log mob yoggy.
Speaker 3: Maybe it is Sir Conrad Man we suck okay, yom
this guy. I thought this guy is going to be
number one.
Speaker 1: He's a two four for black black two human cleric
generally well associated stripes, Protection from Humans. Sure, pay one
life sack of bro put a minus from minus one,
calendar up to one target creature and trock.
Speaker 3: Card very good in hypatra, very good.
Speaker 1: Black black discarded card, proliferate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of good words on this card. High toughness,
that's good. Pro humans, that's surprisingly relevant. Actually, there's this
guy gets in for two frickin' lots and blocks frickin' lots. Yes,
pay one life, sack another creature. Actually good. I would
probably just play a card that said that.
Speaker 1: Yes, pay a life sacking creature. We've gone on the
record as saying if you had a card that said
sacrifice a creature.
Speaker 3: On it, you'd probably just pay it.
Speaker 1: And it's just what you did. You would play that card. Yes,
it gets your dudes the go out of here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you put a minus one on a guy
and then discard a card, which you might want to do.
Speaker 1: You don't just struck card.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But his other ability discard a card like I
don't know a Villas or a Razakath, so it's in
my graveyard. And the card I drew with yogmath from
his first ability is like an anime dead yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 3: And there's all kinds of ways to build efficiencies into
this guy. Everything he does is a decision point for
what you put into your deck. So not only does
he reward you for doing lots of different things and
giving you options and the ability is a smart, thought full,
creative social DH player. I'm better than you because my
card has more words. But I can put things into
play that have et B and etby, enter the battlefield,
enter the bin abilities that trigger and draw and proliferate
and die triggers and cast triggers and ETB triggers, and
I can play reanimate spells, and I can like every
single frickin' guy that we've seen on this list so far,
and this is number two, yep, could go in this
guy's deck.
Speaker 1: Yes, And and you can go in all of their
decks like it's they're all it's we're basically building a deck.
Here's like ten really good cards for your fucking black deck,
is what we've sort of done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that the first time that we've seen this?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in white and in blue, these are very
like acute like pointed decks.
Speaker 1: Whereas these are not.
Speaker 3: These maybe marronar like, that's kind of like one.
Speaker 1: Deck you'd probably play Marronar with these other eight dudes
in it.
Speaker 3: I put Yogmoth in a Maronar deck. There you go,
that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is. I played him. I played him
in a Patra and it just maybe win all the
games that they came out together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And how different is a Patra snake deck from
Maronar rat deck?
Speaker 1: Not a ton?
Speaker 3: Not a ton exactly, That's what I mean. Yeah, huh yeah,
yom really freaking good.
Speaker 1: Number one black card from twenty nineteen. Baby, here we go,
Peop pew be prepared Crick crick, son of boy human
is boy.
Speaker 3: Do you think they went to Little League together?
Speaker 1: Yes? And when you read what the guy does, you're
immediately gonna understand why he's here. Oh yeah, he's a
two to two for seven. Fuck two of those seven
or three of those seven can be played paid with
two life instead of.
Speaker 3: Man, so he cuts four. He's a two two for
four instance, colorless. You could play this guy on turn
two with a freaking grim monolith or some ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's got life link so you can get
some of that life back and each black in the
cost of spells you pay can be paid with two
life rather than black, and whenever you cast a black
spell he gets a plus one plus one counter.
Speaker 3: He gives all your guys can has Ferrexian black manner. Yes,
that's combo waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: I would suggest that he is the most he embodies
like the philosophy of playing mono black in magic. Yes,
so much more than any other. Grease is like I
love the power at any cost, kind of the philosophy
that kind of went into building Black Cards is Crick
son of Yama. That's what it is. It's like you,
you don't give a shit about life. Fuck it, We're
just gonna do it.
Speaker 3: I hate life.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play all this shit.
Speaker 3: That's what's like on Hello Stone, what's the what's the plan?
Fuck it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Fuck it?
Speaker 1: Probably fuck it. Never seen that show?
Speaker 3: Well, just trust me, I I do fuck this one case. Yes, Yes,
Krick is freakin' rip and jog Math is Kevin Costner.
Speaker 1: Are we talking rip from now Hold's part? No? Rip
them that an awesome movie. No, he brucy Gary like
that when he gets that one.
Speaker 3: But man, I've played against Crick decks before.
Speaker 1: Yep. They are brutal.
Speaker 3: I've played against decks with crick decks in Krick in
the ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: And as soon as he lands, it's a different game, yep,
because Krick rips.
Speaker 1: Yes, very good. Yeah, we have to appe all this life,
but you have to remember right on the card, he
also gets all that life.
Speaker 3: Back because and he has plus one counters on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And when you put him and I know this is
not what we're talking about in the ninety nine, but
you put him in a freakin Arzov deck, he gets
even better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy because you're all his life and shit,
it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: What's what's the combo in the crick deck? Do you
just like, do you just trying to freakin' add nauseum
your whole deck and then just crick everything and you
obviously you tutor for something and you play a bunch
of like low cost stuff that gives you extra man out.
Speaker 1: It's blood bot combo. Let's not fuck around.
Speaker 3: I suppose that is a thing that you could do.
Speaker 1: That for sure, that's what it is. Probably I don't know,
but that people will tell us in the comments. But quick,
very good, And again he's an enabler. We did the
top ten list of cards with. I would say the
exception of Marin on her have been things that just
enable the deck that you're playing to do the thing
more consistent.
Speaker 3: They're kind of like the block of the engine, where
it's like, hey, this is a really strong piece of
forged iron. Yeah, put whatever components on it that it's
asking you to put on it. Yep, and it's gonna
it's gonna hold up to the abuse.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is certainly the first time we're seeing
that in the arc. Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is okay. Here's another one. You know, I
like the automotive analogies similes. This is as to magic
as a transmission is to a race car. It's putting
the power onto the road. Yes, Krick is the guy
that's putting the power down. Razakath the power down. Villis
the power down. Ayara the power down. Sir Conrad. I
thought we were going to see in the top ten, didn't.
He is the guy that you land it. You keep
an opening hand because you know this is the opening
hand that contains the pathway to my win. Con and
a bunch of the Mono black guys have have showed
us that that's a strategy that you can take.
Speaker 1: And the then list, we're not seeing the path to
my win con. We're seeing that it makes the road
wider to get to my wing con. Right, Okay, well
this is the the Nows. We're gonna move to the nows. Yes, okay,
so we've got the the Nows, the Nows.
Speaker 3: Yes, what.
Speaker 1: Uh fucking Brando, No, no, no, don't go back to
the nows. See, it's a ghost, the ghost of black. Now,
it's a ghost ghost, spooky like black. Okay, moth yog
moth thrond physician went from number nine, number two to
number ten. Oh no, right, and this is the final
fantasy areas. Yes, Emperor, Emperor, hell.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was cool.
Speaker 3: So h yeah, that's fine. That's number two to number ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a long way to fall, that's.
Speaker 3: A well yeah, but they're still on the list. We
saw ones that went from something on the list and
not even being on the list. That's true, So we
don't even know how far they felt they could have
fallen into infinity.
Speaker 1: Also true. Let's let's see how the rest of the
Blacklist turns out here.
Speaker 3: Now, the Blacklist, the Blacklist. Everybody shout up that you
know what it's it's it's not the Blacklist because people
are playing these cards.
Speaker 1: That what does that make it?
Speaker 3: It makes it the white List.
Speaker 1: No, that's not okay, it's just the list.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, this is nine she ray Oh look at
she ray again.
Speaker 1: Because it got better because shadow Born Apostle was printed.
There's a lot more interest, I would suggest in your colony.
Speaker 3: Shadow Born Apostle got reprinted, Yes, because it was like
creeping up at five and six dollars, eight dollars for
a while, wasn't it. Yes, And then it got reprinted.
Then I got the Secret Layer treatment. Remember it was
the CCO Experience Minneapolis when Zoidi j cracked like the
four hundred dollars shadow Born out of his secret card
in the in the Secret Layer.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, that's pretty sweet.
Speaker 3: He traded in for a duel land. Good for him,
good investment, Yes, yes, very smart. Cool. So Smitty ordered
all those white Castleburgers.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was one of the best moments because he
was he was asleep in the fucking chair.
Speaker 3: He was the world records all the time. Smitty has
the world record for most times falling asleep in a chair.
Speaker 1: During a magic game. He was playing a game of
magic and he went to sleep and he was sitting
a and he wakes up and he gets his phone
and doesn't say a word, doesn't play his turn, doesn't
say a word to anybody.
Speaker 3: We just acted like he got eliminated from the game.
Speaker 1: And then he goes yeah, and a half hour later,
fucking white Castle shows up with a briefcase full of
cheeseburgers you ordered, and he hope he wakes up, those
are my burgers.
Speaker 3: It was freaking the door getting banged on. I thought
it was the police.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, because we had already been like, yo,
you're gonna go on the list because you pete in
the alley because apparently you can't pee in publican America.
Speaker 3: No, can't be in public in America. Fuck with not
with freaking Uncle Brando's too Popkins stuff.
Speaker 1: But the guy, let's go to the next card. We've
talked about Charre Lotts. She's only gotten better with time.
Oh no way, here's our very very first you be
commander coming in number seven on the modern list. Im
the storm Lord. It's from them Techmo tech The Storm
Lord it's from the Mono Black Commander deck from Warhammer
on Deck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Warhammer forty thousand, Yeah, Yeah. This is a three
to three for Black Black route to Artifact Creature Necron Necron. Look,
it's an artifact creature which which matters, and whenever one
or more artifact cards leaves your g create two two
to Necron artifact creature tokens and at the beginning of
combat on your turn other target artifact creature you control
gets plus one and gains menace until and the turn
plus two plus two. Sure. The important part there is
when one or more artifact card leave graveyard. So instances
of artifacts leaving your graveyard makes this trigger, and every
time that happens you get a two two.
Speaker 1: Give two.
Speaker 3: Two two twos. This card is good. It feels a
lot like the the one that you get a bat
when when it leaves your graveyard. And there's also there's
a legendary zombie from like Commander Legends that does kind
of the same thing, right when something leaves your graveyard
Tormaud maybe Merciless or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think so I don't remember crime Geese it is
the same thing too, where you commit a crime and
you get two guys.
Speaker 3: So there's some redundancy at that slot, but you could
have probably what is the best version of it in
your command zone. This one is surprising, really, you know,
I think so. Granted, the Warhammer forty K decks were
very popular, very well received. Everybody loved it and are
clamoring for more Watsey. By the way, this is the
best deck out of the four of them, and it's
in a strategy that people like Mono Black Graveyard bullshit,
which I think is a win win win win. Like
I've said a couple of times, every every word or
sentence or ability or piece of information on this card
can be used for good or bad in this case
evil evil, yeah yeah, and or can be weaponized. Yes,
It's like there's no wasted text here, you know, there's like, oh,
we just played for this top and the rest is
just bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this one doesn't have any We play it
for the bullshit.
Speaker 3: Though we would, we would, but most.
Speaker 1: People probably would. Let's just see number six, Ryan, let's just.
Speaker 3: Six braids, new braids.
Speaker 1: It's new braids. Well, old braids was banned for a
long time, so yeah, I bet you if we did
this list in two years old braids would be on here.
Speaker 3: Old braids.
Speaker 1: She hits, She just hits different new braids. Is a
three to three for black black one. She's a nightmare.
At the beginning of your end step, you may sacrifice
an artifact or creature or enchantment or land or planes walker.
If you do, each opponent can sacrifice permanent that shares
a type. You draw a card for each opponent that doesn't,
and those players lose two life if.
Speaker 3: They don't, I'm gonna sack my bro. You got a
socker bro or pay two life and I draw card. Yes,
this feels a little bit to me like slow massacre girl. No, no, no,
this card is wild card in real life, like.
Speaker 1: Us reading it. Isn't you playing against.
Speaker 3: Braids, feeling how she makes you feel?
Speaker 1: I play braids in the ninety nine of one deck,
and every game I get her onto the field with
she immediately takes over and just fixs everybody's life up.
Speaker 3: And that's at the beginning of your end step. So
you it's it's not like you don't have to wait
a hole round to the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you pay three, it comes in. You pay you
could hypothetically and this is real. Pay one on turn
one dark ritual, Braids and your turn sacrifice your fucking land,
and if you went last, everybody else either sacks their
land they have in play, or they take two when
you draw card. That's the reality of Braids is so
good and she's so game defining when you can if
you were to build around her, she'll fick your whole
life up. She's the ultimate goth baddie. She will ruin
your life and you will love every moment.
Speaker 3: She will sit on your face until you stop moving. Yeah,
and you'll say thank you, Could I have some more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, You'll have an erection the whole time, Corby, or
like a lady erection. I don't know what the word
for that is, but like whatever folts your boat, you'll
have it, and Braids will do it to you because
she's she's great.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna revise my previous sentence. I don't know if
I like that. I like the idea that that exists,
I don't know if i'd like playing against it, And
I don't think it would be the kind of thing
I like doing because I like a little bit more
engaging game in like outside of hard control sacrifice control,
Nie stacks, not always the kind of thing I like
to do, because my friends don't like it. If you
guys like doing that, I would do that all the
time because I like control decks. I like control decks
that just control and stay alive until I can combo.
I like that, but my friends don't. So yeah, this
card gepers creepers. She's a face sitter.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she'll sk you up bad.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 1: So that's why she's there. She should probably be higher.
I was actually surprised she was.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's because people don't like playing against her.
Speaker 1: Give the list time, I might not remember the list.
There's a couple of people being on here that I
remember that you will reach. Consider what you just said.
Let's just keep going.
Speaker 3: This is number five coming up.
Speaker 1: Yes, tiny Bones, Babble Burglar one three with is this
the death Touch one? No, it's not, Mother as Black one, Skeleton, rogue, whatever.
An opponent discards a card, exile it from their graveyard
with a stash counter on it. Of course, during your turn,
you can play cards you don't own with stash counters
on them from exile. Man I can be used as
if it was any type, and you can pay some
number of manna and tap and tap him. Each opponent
discards a card activated a Sorcerer that one. So this
is discard dot deck, plus it's Gaunty. This is new Gaunty.
Speaker 3: This is discard dot deck New Gaunty, and it costs two. Yes,
I don't like it because I think it's miserableplaypattern dot deck.
Speaker 1: I agree, one hundred percent agree. So but I and
I forget if Gunty exists on the list anymore. But
I feel like tiny Bones Babble Burglar is the same
deck as Gaunty, but even more miserable because taking your
top card is gal whatever. Maybe I wouldn't have drawn that.
That card could have been on the bottom of my libry.
I never would have saw it anyway. Sure this one
takes something out of your hand. Maybe you kept your
opening hand thinking okay, and then turn after turn after
turn and said, yeah, I discard your fucking shit and
it rips your hand apart, like uh, decks of old
turn one dark ritual like we talked about before mind
twist and the hypno expector and then turn then the
next turn is.
Speaker 3: Dark to mind twist discard four Yeah, and now you're fucked. Yeah,
And that's that's the game.
Speaker 1: And I think Tiny Bones Babble Burglar aims to do
that same kind of like kind of miserable play pattern,
which I HATEKA but I understand why people want to
do it. But I also hate it.
Speaker 3: But do we now? More important than the how is
the why? I think, why do people want to do this?
What is it about this card that has people saying
I want to do this thing? Is it because they
say I want to make my opponents miserable?
Speaker 1: Now? If yes, those there are those people.
Speaker 3: If my experience on every big social media group is
any indicator, it's yes, I want to make this miserable
thing because I want to see how miserable I can
make my opponents. I want to see how powerful I
can push this thing that doesn't let them do anything
as if they enjoy that or think that they're going
to enjoy it. Because most people who ask that question
don't have any knowledge of other players's experience outside of
their own.
Speaker 1: This is or don't give it any consider This is
a deck that you build and then take apart like
pretty quick, but.
Speaker 3: It exists on dh wreck And because people don't don't
delete their arcadect.
Speaker 1: List, they haven't figured it out.
Speaker 3: Yet they theory craft this list and say, hey, I
want to do this, and this is a thing. We
haven't talked about this yet, but I know that they
talk about it on dhreck dot com or Edia trick
has because those guys are smart. Is how many people
are doing this in theory? How often does this actually happen?
How often does it happen A couple times, like your
dragon storm deck or your whatever it was, right, your
tmat dragon jerk off deck, and then you take it apart,
but it still exists on arcadect dot com. Therefore it
exists in dhreck dot com.
Speaker 1: Mind doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's great. You're responsible at all, which is
fucking weird of me saying that to you.
Speaker 1: I know, right, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: How often do people play tiny Bones? That's that's a
legitimate question. I have zero times ever played against a
tiny Bones deck.
Speaker 1: I have seen it two times.
Speaker 3: Times.
Speaker 1: I've seen it two times, and it was at the
same event, same guy, And no, it wasn't the same guy,
but the guy and the guy were like friends, so
I think it wasn't the same guy, but it might
have been the same deck.
Speaker 3: Oh, so, I actually don't hate that sharing a deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've played Tiny Buddy twice, but I think
they were I think that they were just sharing just
different decks or whatever. And I think in the second
game it was one of those ones where it's like
player three and four were like, yeah, we're gonna go
this level of power, and I'm like, okay, I'll kind
of go, and then Buddy was like, I don't think
I have anything to compete with. That asked his buddy, Hey,
can I borrow something that's like to compete with this
and this and this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, here's Tiny Bones. And I think that's how
that went. That was in Calgary actually last November.
Speaker 3: I actually think that Tiny Bones be because it's a
hand disruption control deck can compete above its weight class. Yes,
in the bracket system, because it can stop you from
what you're doing very efficiently, and I think that that's
great for it. I think also that people don't like
to be stopped in that way. Yes, am I gonna
tell people not to play the deck? No, I'm not,
because I like to sit down and play magic, especially
against shit I've never seen before.
Speaker 1: Empty hand control is shitty, but like you can do it.
Speaker 3: It's fine. Last thing I'll say about Tiny Bones. The
art that you have on the screen you'd see if
you're watching on YouTube, which it should be, is the
Magic Foundation's Extended Art wide screen version. Fucking love it.
Speaker 1: If you're a YouTube watcher of this arc, I'm always
going to try and find the og printing or the
date stamp. One. Yeah, for the then and all of
the now is are going to be like the coolest art.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna see some there's some neat stop action.
This I remember this too. This list in particular has
some pretty cool ship on it. Okaya looking cards. Okay,
we're while we're on number five or four whatever, that
was fire, whatever the fun.
Speaker 3: Let's check it out.
Speaker 1: Let's see it.
Speaker 3: Apocalypse.
Speaker 1: What the goddamn card? And there's this one. I don't
think this card actually needs a ton of explanation. Why
it's here.
Speaker 3: It's four five for Exian praytor for four. It's a
four or five for four with death touch. Fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it and that's enough.
Speaker 3: Also, we've got two more abilities, two more.
Speaker 1: Lines of text. Are they Are they good? You think
they're good? Let's read them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever you draw card. That's me. I gained two
life fully ship. That's the opposite of what black does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this card sucks.
Speaker 3: Well wait, there's more.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's more.
Speaker 3: Whenever an opponent draws a card, they card fucking.
Speaker 1: This card is insane, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go,
I'm gonna I'm gonna flex my privilege here a little bit.
I opened so many of this whoa bro, can I
have one? You could have had? I not if you
came to Vancouver. I probably would have given you one
day because I traded three and in Vancouver, and I
still have my like Ferrexian foil one and my ink
stay in foil one and like two of this one
and another one.
Speaker 3: So what your says in is I can still have one.
Speaker 1: Probably. Okay, this card is crazy, but that's that's just
me talking about like it's obvious why this card is good.
Speaker 3: It's this this sheer efficiency and power, and it rewards
you for everything you're doing and it punishes them for
everything that they want to do.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's just which is just insane. It's insane. I
would argue that maybe this card is better in the
ninety nine because in a deck that includes something like,
I don't know red where you can play I don't
know wheels Like that's where this card really shines.
Speaker 3: I don't know, doesn't it just like go infinite with
a pay life draw card freaking demons that we just
looked at.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, pretty good, not too bad, not too bad,
pretty good.
Speaker 3: I hate things that are not too bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She goes in villis a lot, and villas is
gonna always be in her deck because you can pay
two life to draw two cards and gain four life
and do it right, right, Like, that's the kind of
shit that she sets up. This card is insane.
Speaker 3: Nobody who heard that for the first time does that.
I don't want to be the influence of that bullshit.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, everybody ignore that. I said that just now. Yeah,
elis Norn, she's the best creator.
Speaker 3: It's like I will edit that out and post or something.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna neither of you. No, but just ignore that.
I said that. Let's go in the card real quick, right,
go fucking first, goddamn it, let's pick the next one.
There she is, there's my girl.
Speaker 3: Turget game. Change your freaking nine band card.
Speaker 1: I think she is the last? Is she the only
commander because in the ninety nine Turgrid is nothing in
the command zone. Tur Grid. And again, there's an episode
of c CEOs Sidewalk Slam that illustrates how much of
a menace turgrit Is and Turgrid. And I'm gonna, I'm
gonna make this call right now for when we go
to Vegas. If you're going to Vegas, be fucking prepared
because they're printing pox.
Speaker 3: Again in Stricta and pox plague.
Speaker 1: And they're doing another version of Parks like megapox. Yeah,
so Turgrid's gonna be back, baby, and be fucking prepared
because people are gonna they're gonna do this.
Speaker 3: Let's reader, she's a four or five, so she's got
some back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, baby, got back.
Speaker 3: She's a four five for five with mena legendary creach God.
Whenever an opponent sacrifices a non token permanent or discards
a permanent a permanent card, mind you, you may put
that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
So if you sacrifice it or discard it, I get it. Yes,
And do you have the other side of her?
Speaker 1: No, okay, the other side the other side of her,
her lantern that makes your opponent's discard cards and sackreaches. Yeah,
so it's just if you can have both, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: But you play for you.
Speaker 1: Here's how it works. You play tur Grid, you play Pox,
You're probably gonna win that game. I didn't on CCO
sidewalk Slam, but that's the goal.
Speaker 4: And people call me me bad at magic, I played
shields down Turgrid, and to be honest, to be fair,
I never had anybody complain because it was I was
upfront about it.
Speaker 1: This does everything you think it's gonna do, and I
do nothing to stop you from stopping me from doing it.
Speaker 3: I think that that's fine.
Speaker 1: I have no tutors. I'm balls to the fucking wall.
I'm doing it. I that that was my turger deck
and I had a lot of fun playing it.
Speaker 3: I think what you mean is nuts to the wind, Yes, yes,
yes to the.
Speaker 1: Wind, balls to the sidewalk with like the goth baddie
with the really high platform mode. Oh yeah, stepping on Yeah,
that's that's what I did, and it was awesome.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I didn't mind playing against the deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Zero people in our regular playgroup had any complaints
to say about you. Includes everyone.
Speaker 3: You know what shuts down this deck wrath of God. Yeah,
you know what's actually really good against his deck? And
this is a little bit of a misdemeanor or an oxymoron.
Speaker 1: Anything that was a graveyard rest in peace.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's fine. Yeah, Cyclonic rift. Cyclonic rift makes it
so everything for everybody is fair. You tried to do
a bunch of cheat and bullshit with Turgrid ice iclonic rift,
and it goes back to everybody's hands so they can
do it again. It's like as almost like a game
changer and a game changer cancel each other out. It's like,
you know, minus ten plus positive ten equal zero.
Speaker 1: And this is a game changer. Not because she's so good.
Likes the chlonic rift, it's because it feels.
Speaker 3: It's because of the play pattern that it creates.
Speaker 1: The play pattern of tur Grid is brutal. My Turgrid
deck Without tur Grid, I always felt bad because, like
I could you can wipe a board of everything with her,
and you can strip a whole player a whole table
of hands if you want to. But like you kind
of feel shitty because I'm not getting any.
Speaker 3: What are you doing to further the game? Then? It
feels like you're playing a stacks deck, which is kind
of a a bracket four or five style play pattern.
Speaker 1: It feels like you're just doing something shitty for the
sake of being shit. I want to make my opponents
as miserable as I can make them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no bad idea. If you're
doing that pox or hard control, hand disruption stealing play pattern,
have there be a payoff so you can somebody right
and Turgrid gives you that ability.
Speaker 1: But let me hit you with this play smoke Stack
before when Turd comes around, you'll have enough to pay
for her.
Speaker 3: I promise, smoke Stack. I haven't played a smoke stack
in a long time. That is the card that gave
that archetype, that strategy, stacks. It's name just a little
piece of magic history. We've got a couple more here.
Let's go Marnar.
Speaker 1: Mar Naar went up well because we've seen so many
rats with our return to l Drain and our return
to this place, I think name might have been the
big one. But like so, we've already talked about Marinar.
It's the rat deck. It's the best mono black rat commander.
I'm gonna argue, so would this list. And if you're
gonna play Rats in Mono black, here's Maron ar He's
way higher on the list. Good for him.
Speaker 3: Good for him. He got a promotion and you know what,
he deserved it.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm happy about with this card specifically,
and again we're on an MTG finance podcast. I'm glad
that you can get a Marinar for a buck. Hey,
I don't because there was a time when you couldn't
do that.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine using ccation promo code of Fusion Gaming Online,
I can and yess than.
Speaker 1: A buck, believe it or not. If you're watching on YouTube,
which you should be. The art on the screen right now.
I did use CCO Nation promo code to buy the
exact art that's on the screen right.
Speaker 3: Now, the wide screen one from Bloomborough.
Speaker 1: Because I really wanted one, not because I want to
play relentless Rats again, because my Rats got traded in there.
That's gone, it has sailed, I will, but I wanted
to keep one so that I could just remember, like, yeah,
this is my marind that's fucking cool.
Speaker 3: There and here we are.
Speaker 1: So you're such a fucking nerd, I know, I'm very sentimental.
It turns out this is what is this number two?
Let's let's see. I only remember what number one is?
Speaker 3: Crack him? Here we go, Here we go. This could
be number one?
Speaker 1: Oh did it too?
Speaker 3: Also, Crick Crick is fucking still there.
Speaker 1: He's number one. No, he's not number one, you freaking guy.
Crack Crick is still number high because of course, of
course he fucking is for all the reasons we said
that he's very good. He's still good. So here he is?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Am I right? And I got the final Fantasy version.
I think it's the final Fantasy fourteen guy, which immediately
makes him less impressive. I don't but here we go.
Speaker 3: I don't care about Let's.
Speaker 1: Just do the new one. Fuck the new art. Everybody
knows why quick is good.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows is but no, no, no, like is the
next one coming up?
Speaker 5: Number one?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I literally don't remember.
Speaker 3: Let's do a recap. We're doing a recap, everybody.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna go back a little bit and we're gonna.
Speaker 3: See Hey, We're going to see them now, ok is
ten YEP nine.
Speaker 5: Eight mo tech Yeah, seven grades six tony bones, five
children four, Turgrid three, Maron Are two.
Speaker 1: Crick Crick. I was like, oh, man, cat says it.
What the fuck? Okay, what's number one?
Speaker 3: What's your prediction?
Speaker 1: I know what it is.
Speaker 3: Oh, I actually know, and I'm saying, give me a
prediction that isn't it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Let me hit you with this. When I saw
the when I saw number one, of now, I was
surprised because of how knew the card is. But like
when I really sat and thought about it's like, yeah,
of course, of course it is, and not because of fandom,
but because of yeah, this this does a.
Speaker 3: Oh is it the is it the final fantasy? Freakin'
the final fantasy?
Speaker 1: You'll have to push the button to see where it?
Speaker 3: Don't have to push the button, that's my guess. So
I don't remember what his name is.
Speaker 1: I I know who you mean, and you're you're right.
It is se Fabel.
Speaker 3: Soldier for off fabled soldier.
Speaker 1: The three three for three human avatar soldier. Whenever sepharav
enters or attacks, you can sack a bro if you
do draw card. That's a very black thing to do.
Whenever another creature dies, target opponent looses a life and
you gain a life and this is the fourth time
this has happened. You flip them over.
Speaker 3: I do have the other side of this kid flips
over to really muscly dude that looks like freaking Goku.
Speaker 1: One Winged Angel one everybody's favorite wrestler on the Earth,
Kenny Omega name his finishing move one Winged Angel after Sephiroth.
It's a five to five with flying And what does
this do? As this creature transforms into Cephroth wondering the Angel,
you get an emblem that says, whenever a creature dies,
target opponent loses one life and you gain one life.
And whenever it attacks, we can sacrifice any number of
other dudes if we do, we draw that any cards.
Speaker 3: Holy titty ass. Okay, let's let's let's go back in time.
Here to Cepharroth, human avatar soldier, all relevant creature types
three MANA three three. So he's right on point there,
probably on your curve, fits in above and below other aristocrats.
Whenever he enters, enters or attacks. Mind you draw card.
Maggie is crying all over the place. Whenever another creature dies,
target opponent loses one life and you gain one life.
Why not why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why why wouldn't it say.
Speaker 3: That if this is the fourth time this ability is triggered,
this turn Okay, you get an emblem.
Speaker 1: This is an uninteractable emblem.
Speaker 3: This is all part of the same bullshit. Could I
respond to that a bunch of times and make more
guys die and that'll just trigger and trigger and trigger
and trigger before it transforms. Yes, okay, but it wasn't
It wouldn't matter because as it transforms, you get an emblem.
Speaker 1: So even if he dies, Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 3: A five to five angel avatar that also sacrifices and
draws that many cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's it's insane. And and again I'm gonna
criticize a fandom I am a part of. I would
I'm gonna say this, and you can tell me if
I'm wrong in the comments, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: Probably are.
Speaker 1: I would argue that Sefroth is the Final Fantasy character
that has the most finishes of Final Fantasy characters. I
love finishing, you know, like, if if you have finished
to a Final Fantasy character, I would be willing to bet.
Speaker 3: At least once it was I understand now.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I'm also going to argue that
he's a shitty villain and a badly written character. But
you can at me personally if you want.
Speaker 3: Have you ever finished him?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Oh I have not.
Speaker 1: I was one of a TIFA guy myself.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, No king shame in the nation if you
if you had?
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, yeah, if you're if you like, I
understand why people dig him and think he's fucking cool,
because he was what he was written, designed to be
fucking cool. And then his card that came out is
one of the most expensive cards in the set, one
of the most powerful cards in the set, and it's
a ub card that stands far and away at the
top of the fucking Mono blacklist.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, he's far and away, he's.
Speaker 1: I've digits above the card that came before him.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, let's let's look at this then.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: In our now, we've had two universes Beyond and two
in blue and two in white. Yes, so twenty twenty
percent is an average of twenty is an average of
twenty percent.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I think this is fine. Yeah, I think
that this is our first universe is Beyond at number one.
I think that this this No was cloud no no, no, yes, okay,
I think that this this one is I think that
I I don't know what red or green or any
of the gild colors are going to say, yeah, but
I'm going to say this. I think that this one
is the apparition. This is it, because this, this one
says what every black deck wants on every single line
of ten, every line of the card, on both sides
of the card. This card says so much what the
Black deck wants to do that they had to print
more card on the back. So this one, obviously it's
gonna be really high.
Speaker 3: I give you yes.
Speaker 1: I'll bet you we're not going to see a number
number another number one. I'll bet you we're not.
Speaker 3: And and and everything you said is correct. The manecost,
the toughness, the creature types, the ability, the other ability,
the other ability, the other ability, the other ability, the
other power, and toughness, all of that is all of
what the Black deck wants. The black deck that has
aristocrat themes or sub themes, which we also saw was
a thing. Sacrificing also saw was a thing. Plus. This
is the most popular character in the most popular magic set,
in the most popular universes beyond franchise that we've seen.
So it literally checks every single box everyone and at
some point somebody had to be the top universes beyond Commander.
Somebody had to be the top one. It just so
happened that the top one was also the one that
they gave all of the top abilities in that color to.
So can you be mad at them? I don't think
so them, I mean WATSI and whoever made the design
choices for this card, I don't think so. I've played
against this card one time in the ninety nine ever. Okay,
granted it ain't that old. I own zero of this card,
but if I did, it would go into my lended
deck that is an aristocrat's dat sure for the kind
of the most part, it would go in there and
I would play it. Am I going to build this deck? No,
I've got other Mono black decks that do things that
I think are unique or different or interesting or what
have you, And I don't need to do this. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you have actually in our local playgroup. You
know who plays this five color Angel Aaron Smitty's son Ethan.
Speaker 3: This is not not who I thought you're gonna say.
Speaker 1: And I guess it isn't a white angel, and uh,
to be fair, to be fair, I did trade to Ethan,
like I think it was eight. He gave me a
little piece of papers. Do you have any of these? Brando?
And I was like yeah, yeah, like you want to
trade for him? I was like okay, sure, and I
traded on like those eight cards. And the next game
he played was like yeah, I went infinite and killed
everybody five and it was like, oh, sh no, he
already had. He already plays CEP.
Speaker 3: That's his that's his main that's his that's his main squeeze.
Speaker 1: That's his nor in the Wherry or Soul of Elements,
Animal Animal, So yeah, that's the deck that he wants
to just make sure it's fun good Yeah, and well, hey,
you can't go wrong with this guy. He says all
the right words. Yeah, he says everything right, and he's
from a cool franchise and he's pretty sweet, Like yeah,
I think, let me see it, let me make all
the let me make all the final fantasy nerds. Mad.
He's a pansy, asked Mama's boy. Who is large? Ooh
my appearance student love me. So I'm going to crash
media or into the Earth about it, but he's still
a really good commander. There you go, but let's be honest.
Speaker 3: Fuck media is into the Earth is kind of what
you do in magic, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: You literally play the card called Shiven Meteor.
Speaker 1: Damn right. I play Star of Extinction two in the
same deck. Here you gozep like, did it like out
of angst as opposed to out if I want to
win the game. He didn't want to win the game.
He just wanted to be cool.
Speaker 3: I don't know he was.
Speaker 1: He wrote wristcutter fucking poetry in high school and he
sure he did that. He had I did, and he
had super long, sweet hair like me, pretty sure during
his emo phase, just like me.
Speaker 3: I know how lame it is.
Speaker 1: I know because I was him.
Speaker 3: I got two things.
Speaker 1: I know how lame it is.
Speaker 3: Final two things.
Speaker 1: Okay, stop idolizing this assholes, Go out and do something
with your life. Treat your parents and your friends and
the people in your life with respect, and you.
Speaker 3: Know what's gonna happen. You know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have relationships that mean something, and you're gonna
grow up to be a healthy, happy human being.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't feel like that's what you did.
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm okay.
Speaker 3: Probably I got two things.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Sepharroth's abs not as nice as yours.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: Correct, He's like he's got like thirty percent as mini.
Speaker 1: Abs as he only has six like a whim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brando's got like eight, yeah, twenty four like that?
So many abs? Your abs have six packs each? Yes, Yes,
it's a.
Speaker 1: Little weird sometimes because like when I grate cheese on them,
people like what are you doing? And wash clothes on
them and I'm like, shut up, this is awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like on Kung Pau enter the fist when
the guy's tongue has the tongue Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Second thing, if you wanted to get a Shiven meteor
or a Star of Extinction or a sepher Off or
an Aara or a Villis, where would you go to
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That to me, that's the best thing. So whenever we
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Speaker 3: Of the guilds.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we we would love to do it.
I'm really enjoying this arc. Let us know, and then
I can get the DH guys wreck on it, the
EDH wreck guys on it. There we go to do
some of the work because they don't have enough to do.
Come help us out. And what's the what else?
Speaker 3: What else? We'll see you next time on another.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you know what happens after black in the color?
Holy shit? Let's do in the comments down below if
you can guess the number one, come Mandarin Mono red
from twenty nineteen until today.
Speaker 3: What's the list? What's the freaking top ten list? Give
us your prediction number one.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows it too easy, too easy. What's the top ten.
Speaker 1: Let's just doo easy. Let's do it because it was
a commander that I played, and it might have led
into one of the better Commander Cookout experience moments of
all time. And we're going to tell you about that
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