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Speaker 2: John, what's going on? Brother?
Speaker 3: Not much?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: You know, I think, uh, I.
Speaker 2: Don't believe that there's a lot going on.
Speaker 4: Man, I've got a million things going on. I don't
think this Saturday is as good as last Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's not a good card at all.
Speaker 3: Last Saturday was so good. Yeah, you know last Saturday, honestly.
Speaker 4: Handle was great. The crowd was great, the results were great.
We did very well all the games.
Speaker 3: It was awesome.
Speaker 4: It was as good as a cultural Saturday as I
can remember in a long time.
Speaker 1: Where are we now? About five A week? Five or
weeks I week? I believe we've had one really good
week of college football as far is games and results
I think, well, I mean, when we go back, I'm
not really counting that week zero because there's only a
couple of games, Like.
Speaker 3: We got Labor Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Week one okay is good, and then we had
last week. But last week we've got a lot of duds. Man?
Speaker 4: Is that because is it the the weeks that are
set to come or so loaded?
Speaker 3: Is that what it is? I don't.
Speaker 4: I only look. I look on Sunday mornings. I'll go
look see, I want what's going on next week? I
think Miami and Florida State it's a better game though
than maybe we're giving a credit for it. Loads a
little bit of luster because Florida State lost on last
Friday night, right, But florist State is a good team
and Miami's pretty good too, and that's a big rite.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's one of the maybe three games that
are that are really rock solid.
Speaker 3: I think they can't all be home run hitters, mark
home We can't.
Speaker 4: We can't have Alabama, Georgia and Oregon Penn State every week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a lot of hype for Oregon Penn State,
but that was it ended up being good to watch
at the end. But the first three quarters of watching
Penn State last week.
Speaker 2: Was it's great if you have the Ducks. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 4: It's just it shows to me, like I consider that
I know this is like played out when you're talking
about James Franklin, But the fact that as soon as
they needed to do something on offense they could just
immediately do it makes you wonder, like, why weren't they
doing that the whole game?
Speaker 3: I mean, what were they holding back the whole game
that they.
Speaker 4: Were able to do with two touchdowns in the fourth
quarter and they get the ball first in overtime immediately
score another touchdown.
Speaker 3: So where was that? All game?
Speaker 5: Six drives through the first three quarters they had one
hundred and four yards in three points. And all we
heard coming into this season in what world is Drew
Allard an NFL prospect?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Are we sure he's not?
Speaker 4: Or I mean, I really I really look at the
coaching stuff. I'll definitely defer to you on Penn Stay.
Speaker 3: You know that much better than.
Speaker 5: Oh, James Franklin. Just you know, I don't know why
he does it all the time, every time, every single time.
And then you know, I did a show this morning
and I gave a playout because a lot of people
like to look at the angle after you lose a
game like that, you know, the hangover effect from losing
a big game. James Franklin is your typical bully on
the school yard. He has come back the last six
he said, six losses mark key losses in the last
three years, and he's beat up on somebody in five
of the six games. And what I went, I didn't
want to lay twenty four and a half on the
road going cross country to UCLA. But UCLA's defense is horrible.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't even factor that in because they're excited to
go play in the Rose Bowl and again you see,
well there'll be more Penn State fans there than u
c LA should in factor that.
Speaker 5: I went team total Penn State over thirty seven and
a half. Because he likes to run down to score.
You know we did Maryland last year. Fleck, you know,
fletch your muscles because he's getting lamb based it as
he does every single time that this happens, that the
offense fails them, he has to go out and show that,
oh no, we get more fine offensively.
Speaker 4: That makes sense. I'm actually probably gonna follow you on that. One, No,
it makes a lot of sense. And another he is
getting lamb based.
Speaker 3: He deserves it, you know, he really does.
Speaker 4: I mean Oregon, well, I think Oregon's got a very
good team this year. But they were, they were there's
a sense there they were rebuilding a little from last
season that they weren't as strong as last season. And
they're going on the road into Happy Valley for the
wide out and they're down seventeen or up seventeen and
three at the end of the third quarter.
Speaker 3: But it just that can't.
Speaker 1: Happen, Mark, I mean, you probably have it in front
of you. But their record against the number is horrible
this year. Even you know, because I remember I got
on him and was against Florida International or whoever in
the heck that was.
Speaker 2: They didn't come close to covering that thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, even when you know they played the Cupcakes,
it's not like they're scoring fifty and sixty, you know,
like we see Florida State or Oklahoma do or something
or some of these other I mean, he'll Columbia realize
done it this year. I think they'll do it this weekend.
But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, it's just he
is the bully. He'll he'll beat up on those guys,
but he's beating up on him like thirty four to
three or you know, forty one to ten or something
like that.
Speaker 5: Part of that I think too. And again I drank
the kool aid and went into play in Penn State
last week, mainly because Saturday night, you know factor there.
But a lot of times coaches will in those early games,
if you've got that big game coming up, you don't
want to open up the playbook and show everything right away.
So that's why I thought, you know, he had some
of those vanilla games, but hard to watch, hard to watch.
Speaker 3: Sorry to bring it up.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the NFL side.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about last night Niners getting eight and a half,
win the game outright, twenty six twenty three in overtime,
and holy moly, just the blunders on the Rams side.
Speaker 4: It always hurts to lose in Survivor, you know, no,
but like to lose like that is just so exceptional
because there's no way they should have lost.
Speaker 3: I mean there's no way. Like they don't they don't
show up at the start of the game.
Speaker 4: It's like they're not even out there, and then it's like, Okay,
come on, guys, let's get it together.
Speaker 3: They take over the game.
Speaker 4: You had a blocked field goal, then Pinero hits a
fifty nine yard field goal. It's amazing how good these
kickers are. And then they fumble going in for the
winning touchdown on first down just and then obviously overtime.
Speaker 2: Now, I apologize for bringing it.
Speaker 5: Up, full disclosure. I thought you were gonna have a
smile on your face. Didn't know that you had him
in Survivor. But from the sports book side.
Speaker 3: Everybody bet the Niners.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I saw another sportsbook another sportsbook manager said,
you know, we need the Rams every which way.
Speaker 5: I thought you would have had so many money lying
parlays and teasers last night.
Speaker 4: There was, But there was a lot of Niners, even
before all the full extent of the injury report was known.
There were so many people betting Niners like plus six
and a half plus, but the nine kept the line
kept drifting up because the Niners didn't have any players
on offense. And I don't know what what can you
say other than just give full credit to Kyle Shanahan.
I mean that opening drive with a backup QB and
backup receivers and the Rams are pretty darn good on defense,
and they just went right down the field like it
was nothing. And I remember I was in my office going,
oh boy, me a long one. No, that's what you
get though, for playing a division game on a Thursday night.
Speaker 3: That's that's a stay away.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the line movement we've seen with Baltimore.
So we know Lamar Jackson is out, got hurt last
week and after opening. Now correct me if I'm wrong.
This is what we talked about in the show yesterday.
This line, a look ahead line or early line was
minus nine in favor of Baltimore, and now it is
it is Baltimore plus two and a half. Take us
through the line movement from like I said, the local
headline to the open to where we are now.
Speaker 4: Well, last week it was Houston Baltimore minus ten, and
we had a sharp account took ten and that's why
we went down to nine to nine and a half.
From there, I think there's a few things you got
to consider. It's not like Lamar Jackson being out moved
the number eleven twelve points on its own. Baltimore lost
again on Sunday, they have struggled. Baltimore's got myriad other
players that are out too. Houston finally looked confident, at
least defensively. They beat Tennessee, and all of a sudden,
now Houston is a small favorite because Baltimore is the
walking wounded. They don't have their quarterback and the season
is getting away from them. You know, we thought coming
into the year Baltimore was the best team in the league.
Then about halfway through the game that's opening Sunday night,
we thought they're the best team in the league, and
then some it's unbelievable that they could be one in
four after Sunday.
Speaker 3: Right now, it really is. It's shocking.
Speaker 5: And you've got a disconnect right now with lamar j.
I mean, you saw the sideline incident. You know with Harbaugh.
Wasn't too long after that that suddenly he had a
hamstring problem. It was out of the game. They were
still in the third quarter. And if any team should
know that the game's never over in the third quarter,
it should be Baltimore because they had Buffalo come back
on him and the fourth to wave and if it
was waving the white flag and pulling him out whatever
I've you know, there's no questioning Lamar Jackson talent, whatever,
but he's not a leader. I've just never to me,
I've never got that confidence of him being that leader.
And that goes back to you know, when he missed
the playoffs, you know a couple of years ago at
the end of the season where could have played, didn't
play whatever.
Speaker 3: Baltimore should have won that game.
Speaker 4: If Huntley doesn't reach the ball out over the goal
one like a knucklehead, Baltimore might have won that game.
Speaker 3: On Sunday night in Cincinnati, this.
Speaker 2: Is my favorite game of the week.
Speaker 1: I just I just can't be that the jad's Cowboys
know when we're talking without Baltimore. I mean, I'm totally
fine with Cooper Rush over Lamar Jackson. Totally fine. And
people have lost their mind. I mean for this kind
of a line swing seems like such an overreaction. It's ridiculus.
You're playing the Houston Texans. They're void of offense. We've
talked about all the time about c J. Stroud, Are
you kidding me? Back against the wall for Baltimore, They've
got plenty of other talent. I don't care everybody's injured
but there are some pretty good backups there with Baltimore.
This is an easy, easy pick, and this is gonna
be an easy win for Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Underdog at Home is a joke. It is a joke
that they are an underdog at home. Derek Henry is
gonna have a monster game and Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: Just like I said, I'm fine with Mac Jones, I'm
okay with Cooper Rush. I don't like him as much
as Mac Jones, but the way Jackson is playing, Cooper
Rush has played in some pretty big games.
Speaker 2: Let's remember that. I'm totally fine with Baltimore at home.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, there's still a couple other key guys
for Baltimore that are questionable.
Speaker 2: Go on, as of I don't think it matters myself. Shock,
that's such as my take.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know why I look at these injury reports.
I pull up the Niners injury report and I go, man,
I gotta take the Rams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how'd that work out?
Speaker 1: Because especially we just talked about it in the last segment,
the wide receiver position, there was always depth. Every team
has white wide receivers. There are so many quality wide
wide receivers who get cut in training camp and they're
just hanging out. I mean it's a it's almost like
a a you know what, what's.
Speaker 2: The what I said earlier, the interchangeable.
Speaker 1: Interchangeable dime a dozen type of that's a position like that.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Good, you know, street free agents that are wide receivers.
That's just what I've seen over the years. But anyway, yeah,
I'm a little surprised.
Speaker 5: My problem though, is the Baltimore defense has not played good. Granted,
they faced Buffalo, they face and they faced Kansas City,
but Kansas City had struggled until last week. That was
the first Now they got worthy back that help. But
Kansas City looked very good offense.
Speaker 2: I think all of those excusable.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about the Lions, you're talking about
the Bills, you're talking about the Chiefs. That that's okay.
I mean those are those are excuses there. This line
is the Texans Lions look better and better, don't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Week one, I really liked Lions plus
two and a half at Packers and they got crushed.
Speaker 3: I'd love to make that bet again. I'd bet I'd
bet that again.
Speaker 5: In two seconds and the Packers were getting penciled into
the Super Bowl at the first two weeks.
Speaker 3: I'll tell right now, I think Detroit's absolutely better than
Green Bay.
Speaker 2: I bet it again, all right.
Speaker 1: John Murray joins this behind the counter with him. Talk
to us about other line moves or some sharp action
in the NFL games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cleveland's getting some sharp money. They're at home.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, there isn't Europe. They're in Europe. Pardon me
pretty much.
Speaker 2: But it is a home game, right they're the home team.
I think gave up their home game.
Speaker 3: But I would I would say that.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's a play against Minnesota's offensive line,
you know, the back to the injury talk. Minnesota's really
banged up on the offensive line. Cleveland's lousy. But if
there is one strength on the team, it would be
the or on their defense. I think they're pretty good obviously.
I'll tell you a team getting a lot of sharp
money is the Raiders. But when we had the Raiders
plus seven, We're getting money on the Raiders from a
number of sharp accounts, that one for sure.
Speaker 3: And Detroit is as well. Detroit.
Speaker 4: Detroit is just like a runaway freight train right now,
and no matter how high we set their lines. We're
seeing the wise guys bet them. They're blowing teams out
right now, Detroit looks really good.
Speaker 5: Did you have that conversation with our friend Kelly, Because
your friend Kelly, when we did our show, she was
loving Indianapolis and she was talking Indianapolis for her Survivor pick.
And I just I said, she's like ninety survivor.
Speaker 2: I said, I will.
Speaker 5: Pray for you. I do not like that play at all.
I said, I do not like that play at all.
Speaker 3: Well, I can I always just tell your friend what
I what I'm seeing.
Speaker 4: What I see is very sharp accounts, multiple accounts. We
respect taking the Raiders plus seven. I wouldn't want to
use Indianapolis to Survivor, but I lost on the I
lost on the Rams.
Speaker 3: Wasn't to me.
Speaker 2: You know, how much credens do you put into this?
All right?
Speaker 1: It is early in the season, so maybe more so.
This will be the Raiders third away game, all three
in the Eastern time zone. All right, so three or
five games on the road Eastern time zone three times
in five weeks that you know, you talk to former
players and Jay Otay, it's something that that means something
and uh and you know again, it's like New England.
They won the game, struggled, did not look good, looked
horrible against your Washington team. Right, and now Colts team
is you know, they're they've been playing extremely well and
you know they're the upset because they gave a game
away last week against the Rams.
Speaker 5: That's an understatement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, are the Colts the better football team?
Absolutely are? But I think you know factor in, you know,
the Raiders, you know, traveling.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why.
Speaker 3: Killing like that makes sense. And then the Colts are
off a terrible loss. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, if I had to play
the game, I mean I would lean towards towards Indy
that I'm not crazy about late six and a half percent,
I probably will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, money line Parley, there you go. How about how
about that? Baltimore told Scott.
Speaker 1: Sprites are yesterday even Scott says, I love the teaser.
Baltimore plus you know eight and a half or nine.
Speaker 3: I go, thank you, Scott, that makes sense, Bigimore Baltimore
and a.
Speaker 2: Half like yeah like that, Yeah, I tease that. Yeah,
I give you a lot of good tips.
Speaker 1: Well, I said on the show yesterday, I teased the
Niners to to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have teased the Niners.
Speaker 2: And that's what that's what, that's what he said. But yeah,
it worked out for you. You know, it was a winner.
It worked out.
Speaker 3: It won easily, actually exactly. I think it was never
in doubt.
Speaker 2: All right, w NBA Finals. What are you see in? Uh?
Series wise and Game one wise?
Speaker 4: Well, we need the Mercury, you know, we we we've
got some liability on the Aces in the in the
future pool.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a ton on Game one yet, but unfortunately.
Speaker 4: I do have to root against you, TC. I mean
we are we're pretty stuck on the Aces.
Speaker 3: I was told by my team here that they weren't
they couldn't win it this year. That's what I was told.
Speaker 2: The team doesn't listen to the show.
Speaker 3: Huh, I don't know. I don't know what they listen to.
Who knows what they're doing?
Speaker 4: No, they obviously the Aces. I don't want to say
we wrote them off. Obviously TC did not.
Speaker 3: Write them off. There's proofs in the pudding.
Speaker 4: But you know, to have a seventeen game winning streaks
pretty unusual. Yeah, and there was a time where it
looked like the team was not an elite contender, and
they rallied and they righted the ship.
Speaker 3: So champions do man.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the divisional round of the Major League
Baseball Playoffs. A lot of a lot of great stuff happening,
you know tomorrow we got a little new blood in there,
Brew Crew and Cubs. Obviously has got to be a
popular series. Yeah, but is it a pop betting series? Obviously,
the Dodgers involved in Philly, I'm sure that's gonna get
a lot of attention.
Speaker 3: I think the public will, but definitely be on Chicago.
Speaker 4: They bet him against San Diego. They're gonna do it
again in this series. You mentioned it that Dodgers Phillies.
That's the one we've seen money on the Dodgers. So
Phillies have home field, Dodgers are favored. You know, Dodgers
have a lot of question marks in that pitching staff.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much you upgrade them just because
they beat the Reds. The Reds really had no business
being in the postseason with that lineup. That was just
a result of the Mets just completely collapsing. The Reds
were not really a playoff team, so it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: You know what else, they got a question the guy
in the dugout, Oh yeah, he's like a go against
for me.
Speaker 3: Don't forget about the bullpen.
Speaker 4: The bullpen really strugg Philadelphia on paper, has a much
more complete team, and they have home field, and yet
we've seen this.
Speaker 3: Get bet over to the Dodgers side.
Speaker 5: Dodgers always get bet though. You're gonna get Dodgers, you're
gonna get Yankee true.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Yank, We'll get Yankee money against against the
Blue Gens for sure. I think Seattle Detroit's a fun series.
There's a lot of good young players on both those rosters.
Good pitchers too.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: I can't remember last time I've seen a minus two
to twenty five favorite in game one.
Speaker 2: That's what Seattle is over Detroit. That's insane.
Speaker 5: They haven't named the pitcher yet for Detroit. That's that's
part of the problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big numbers because Seattle, Uh, with Detroit,
you know, they've been they've been running on fumes a
little bit.
Speaker 3: It took a lot out of them to get through
that Cleveland series. That was great stuff.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed the last few days having the playoff
baseball and during the day.
Speaker 5: A team like Detroit that was the at one time
had the best record in baseball. Mets had that too
at one time, but we saw it have them. But
Detroit had that complete collapse at the end. Cleveland had
the great run. The fact that they went on the
road the three games in Cleveland got that series. Could
they I think they can make a run. I think
that's got to give confidence coming off that series. A
lot of people, like you said, the reaction is all
that took a lot out of them. I think that was,
you know, gives them the momentum to get that swagger
back they had during the season. And they have got
one of the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have school schoobl Could schoobl can steal a
game in Seattle? Maybe he could win two games in
the series. I don't know if he's gonna go game two.
Is that the plan? Yeah, but I mean, yeah, there's
no in a five game series when you've got the
best picture left in baseball with skeens out, Yeah, of
course they could steal.
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