1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: We go behind the counter with our good friend John Murray, 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,320 the vice president of the super Book here at the Westgate, 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,000 Las Vegas. Brought to you by our great friends at 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,000 water Talk dot com. For all your betting needs, go 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,679 to waiter Talk dot com. Doesn't matter the sport, Major 6 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:15,960 League Baseball playoffs underway, boom, go there, college football this weekend, 7 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:20,000 and the NFL of course, get Marco d'angelo's selections and 8 00:00:20,039 --> 00:00:24,559 the great crew of cappers over at waiter talk dot com. 9 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: John, what's going on? Brother? 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: Not much? 11 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:27,559 Speaker 2: Man? 12 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:28,839 Speaker 3: You know, I think, uh, I. 13 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,199 Speaker 2: Don't believe that there's a lot going on. 14 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,439 Speaker 4: Man, I've got a million things going on. I don't 15 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,520 think this Saturday is as good as last Saturday. 16 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's not a good card at all. 17 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:41,799 Speaker 3: Last Saturday was so good. Yeah, you know last Saturday, honestly. 18 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 4: Handle was great. The crowd was great, the results were great. 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,439 We did very well all the games. 20 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: It was awesome. 21 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 4: It was as good as a cultural Saturday as I 22 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,399 can remember in a long time. 23 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,119 Speaker 1: Where are we now? About five A week? Five or 24 00:00:55,119 --> 00:01:02,200 weeks I week? I believe we've had one really good 25 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,959 week of college football as far is games and results 26 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:07,519 I think, well, I mean, when we go back, I'm 27 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,719 not really counting that week zero because there's only a 28 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,560 couple of games, Like. 29 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: We got Labor Labor Day weekend. 30 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Week one okay is good, and then we had 31 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,400 last week. But last week we've got a lot of duds. Man? 32 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 4: Is that because is it the the weeks that are 33 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:22,920 set to come or so loaded? 34 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: Is that what it is? I don't. 35 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 4: I only look. I look on Sunday mornings. I'll go 36 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,599 look see, I want what's going on next week? I 37 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:31,480 think Miami and Florida State it's a better game though 38 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,879 than maybe we're giving a credit for it. Loads a 39 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,439 little bit of luster because Florida State lost on last 40 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:38,959 Friday night, right, But florist State is a good team 41 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,159 and Miami's pretty good too, and that's a big rite. 42 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: That's that's that's one of the maybe three games that 43 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:46,719 are that are really rock solid. 44 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: I think they can't all be home run hitters, mark 45 00:01:49,519 --> 00:01:50,120 home We can't. 46 00:01:50,319 --> 00:01:53,359 Speaker 4: We can't have Alabama, Georgia and Oregon Penn State every week. 47 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a lot of hype for Oregon Penn State, 48 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,400 but that was it ended up being good to watch 49 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:01,959 at the end. But the first three quarters of watching 50 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,280 Penn State last week. 51 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: Was it's great if you have the Ducks. What are 52 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:06,400 you talking about? 53 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 4: It's just it shows to me, like I consider that 54 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,639 I know this is like played out when you're talking 55 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,840 about James Franklin, But the fact that as soon as 56 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,080 they needed to do something on offense they could just 57 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,000 immediately do it makes you wonder, like, why weren't they 58 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,800 doing that the whole game? 59 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: I mean, what were they holding back the whole game 60 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:27,280 that they. 61 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 4: Were able to do with two touchdowns in the fourth 62 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,919 quarter and they get the ball first in overtime immediately 63 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,080 score another touchdown. 64 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,719 Speaker 3: So where was that? All game? 65 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,479 Speaker 5: Six drives through the first three quarters they had one 66 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,520 hundred and four yards in three points. And all we 67 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:46,759 heard coming into this season in what world is Drew 68 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,479 Allard an NFL prospect? 69 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: Well? 70 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: Are we sure he's not? 71 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 4: Or I mean, I really I really look at the 72 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,000 coaching stuff. I'll definitely defer to you on Penn Stay. 73 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: You know that much better than. 74 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 5: Oh, James Franklin. Just you know, I don't know why 75 00:03:03,039 --> 00:03:05,960 he does it all the time, every time, every single time. 76 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:09,039 And then you know, I did a show this morning 77 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:12,199 and I gave a playout because a lot of people 78 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:14,319 like to look at the angle after you lose a 79 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,280 game like that, you know, the hangover effect from losing 80 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:20,599 a big game. James Franklin is your typical bully on 81 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,439 the school yard. He has come back the last six 82 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:27,520 he said, six losses mark key losses in the last 83 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,520 three years, and he's beat up on somebody in five 84 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:33,240 of the six games. And what I went, I didn't 85 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,840 want to lay twenty four and a half on the 86 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,240 road going cross country to UCLA. But UCLA's defense is horrible. 87 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: You shouldn't even factor that in because they're excited to 88 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,680 go play in the Rose Bowl and again you see, 89 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:48,120 well there'll be more Penn State fans there than u 90 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,360 c LA should in factor that. 91 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 5: I went team total Penn State over thirty seven and 92 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,039 a half. Because he likes to run down to score. 93 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:58,280 You know we did Maryland last year. Fleck, you know, 94 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:01,879 fletch your muscles because he's getting lamb based it as 95 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:05,599 he does every single time that this happens, that the 96 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,520 offense fails them, he has to go out and show that, 97 00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:10,439 oh no, we get more fine offensively. 98 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: That makes sense. I'm actually probably gonna follow you on that. One, No, 99 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,040 it makes a lot of sense. And another he is 100 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,079 getting lamb based. 101 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:20,439 Speaker 3: He deserves it, you know, he really does. 102 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,759 Speaker 4: I mean Oregon, well, I think Oregon's got a very 103 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,519 good team this year. But they were, they were there's 104 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,639 a sense there they were rebuilding a little from last 105 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,160 season that they weren't as strong as last season. And 106 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,879 they're going on the road into Happy Valley for the 107 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,920 wide out and they're down seventeen or up seventeen and 108 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,040 three at the end of the third quarter. 109 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: But it just that can't. 110 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,639 Speaker 1: Happen, Mark, I mean, you probably have it in front 111 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:44,720 of you. But their record against the number is horrible 112 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:46,879 this year. Even you know, because I remember I got 113 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,399 on him and was against Florida International or whoever in 114 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:51,120 the heck that was. 115 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:53,199 Speaker 2: They didn't come close to covering that thing. 116 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean, even when you know they played the Cupcakes, 117 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,399 it's not like they're scoring fifty and sixty, you know, 118 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,439 like we see Florida State or Oklahoma do or something 119 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,920 or some of these other I mean, he'll Columbia realize 120 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:06,480 done it this year. I think they'll do it this weekend. 121 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,399 But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, it's just he 122 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,480 is the bully. He'll he'll beat up on those guys, 123 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,000 but he's beating up on him like thirty four to 124 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,680 three or you know, forty one to ten or something 125 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,040 like that. 126 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:20,399 Speaker 5: Part of that I think too. And again I drank 127 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:22,560 the kool aid and went into play in Penn State 128 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:26,399 last week, mainly because Saturday night, you know factor there. 129 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:30,120 But a lot of times coaches will in those early games, 130 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,920 if you've got that big game coming up, you don't 131 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,519 want to open up the playbook and show everything right away. 132 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:37,720 So that's why I thought, you know, he had some 133 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:41,160 of those vanilla games, but hard to watch, hard to watch. 134 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: Sorry to bring it up. 135 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:44,759 Speaker 2: Let's go to the NFL side. 136 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,399 Speaker 1: Let's talk about last night Niners getting eight and a half, 137 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:50,720 win the game outright, twenty six twenty three in overtime, 138 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,600 and holy moly, just the blunders on the Rams side. 139 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 4: It always hurts to lose in Survivor, you know, no, 140 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,079 but like to lose like that is just so exceptional 141 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,120 because there's no way they should have lost. 142 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,079 Speaker 3: I mean there's no way. Like they don't they don't 143 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,439 show up at the start of the game. 144 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,319 Speaker 4: It's like they're not even out there, and then it's like, Okay, 145 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,120 come on, guys, let's get it together. 146 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: They take over the game. 147 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,879 Speaker 4: You had a blocked field goal, then Pinero hits a 148 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,480 fifty nine yard field goal. It's amazing how good these 149 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:24,240 kickers are. And then they fumble going in for the 150 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,920 winning touchdown on first down just and then obviously overtime. 151 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:31,519 Speaker 2: Now, I apologize for bringing it. 152 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 5: Up, full disclosure. I thought you were gonna have a 153 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:36,360 smile on your face. Didn't know that you had him 154 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:39,079 in Survivor. But from the sports book side. 155 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: Everybody bet the Niners. 156 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:45,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I saw another sportsbook another sportsbook manager said, 157 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:47,560 you know, we need the Rams every which way. 158 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 5: I thought you would have had so many money lying 159 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,360 parlays and teasers last night. 160 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:53,879 Speaker 4: There was, But there was a lot of Niners, even 161 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,000 before all the full extent of the injury report was known. 162 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,279 There were so many people betting Niners like plus six 163 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,959 and a half plus, but the nine kept the line 164 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,120 kept drifting up because the Niners didn't have any players 165 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,759 on offense. And I don't know what what can you 166 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,199 say other than just give full credit to Kyle Shanahan. 167 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:15,000 I mean that opening drive with a backup QB and 168 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,800 backup receivers and the Rams are pretty darn good on defense, 169 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,680 and they just went right down the field like it 170 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,279 was nothing. And I remember I was in my office going, 171 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,879 oh boy, me a long one. No, that's what you 172 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,399 get though, for playing a division game on a Thursday night. 173 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,439 Speaker 3: That's that's a stay away. 174 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the line movement we've seen with Baltimore. 175 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:39,600 So we know Lamar Jackson is out, got hurt last 176 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,279 week and after opening. Now correct me if I'm wrong. 177 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:45,720 This is what we talked about in the show yesterday. 178 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:49,000 This line, a look ahead line or early line was 179 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:52,319 minus nine in favor of Baltimore, and now it is 180 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,439 it is Baltimore plus two and a half. Take us 181 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,800 through the line movement from like I said, the local 182 00:07:57,839 --> 00:07:59,720 headline to the open to where we are now. 183 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 4: Well, last week it was Houston Baltimore minus ten, and 184 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,720 we had a sharp account took ten and that's why 185 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,040 we went down to nine to nine and a half. 186 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:12,079 From there, I think there's a few things you got 187 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,199 to consider. It's not like Lamar Jackson being out moved 188 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,199 the number eleven twelve points on its own. Baltimore lost 189 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,279 again on Sunday, they have struggled. Baltimore's got myriad other 190 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:27,720 players that are out too. Houston finally looked confident, at 191 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:32,399 least defensively. They beat Tennessee, and all of a sudden, 192 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,240 now Houston is a small favorite because Baltimore is the 193 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:37,919 walking wounded. They don't have their quarterback and the season 194 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,919 is getting away from them. You know, we thought coming 195 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,039 into the year Baltimore was the best team in the league. 196 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,799 Then about halfway through the game that's opening Sunday night, 197 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:49,159 we thought they're the best team in the league, and 198 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,759 then some it's unbelievable that they could be one in 199 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:54,000 four after Sunday. 200 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: Right now, it really is. It's shocking. 201 00:08:56,919 --> 00:08:59,879 Speaker 5: And you've got a disconnect right now with lamar j. 202 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,159 I mean, you saw the sideline incident. You know with Harbaugh. 203 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,759 Wasn't too long after that that suddenly he had a 204 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:11,399 hamstring problem. It was out of the game. They were 205 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:14,120 still in the third quarter. And if any team should 206 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,360 know that the game's never over in the third quarter, 207 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:19,879 it should be Baltimore because they had Buffalo come back 208 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,360 on him and the fourth to wave and if it 209 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,279 was waving the white flag and pulling him out whatever 210 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:31,080 I've you know, there's no questioning Lamar Jackson talent, whatever, 211 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:34,200 but he's not a leader. I've just never to me, 212 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:38,759 I've never got that confidence of him being that leader. 213 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:40,679 And that goes back to you know, when he missed 214 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,639 the playoffs, you know a couple of years ago at 215 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:45,799 the end of the season where could have played, didn't 216 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:46,519 play whatever. 217 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,879 Speaker 3: Baltimore should have won that game. 218 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:50,639 Speaker 4: If Huntley doesn't reach the ball out over the goal 219 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,480 one like a knucklehead, Baltimore might have won that game. 220 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,399 Speaker 3: On Sunday night in Cincinnati, this. 221 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: Is my favorite game of the week. 222 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: I just I just can't be that the jad's Cowboys 223 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,159 know when we're talking without Baltimore. I mean, I'm totally 224 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,120 fine with Cooper Rush over Lamar Jackson. Totally fine. And 225 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:11,679 people have lost their mind. I mean for this kind 226 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,639 of a line swing seems like such an overreaction. It's ridiculus. 227 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,799 You're playing the Houston Texans. They're void of offense. We've 228 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:21,000 talked about all the time about c J. Stroud, Are 229 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:24,279 you kidding me? Back against the wall for Baltimore, They've 230 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,200 got plenty of other talent. I don't care everybody's injured 231 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,679 but there are some pretty good backups there with Baltimore. 232 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,000 This is an easy, easy pick, and this is gonna 233 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,399 be an easy win for Baltimore. 234 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: Underdog at Home is a joke. It is a joke 235 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:40,000 that they are an underdog at home. Derek Henry is 236 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,120 gonna have a monster game and Cooper Rush. 237 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: Just like I said, I'm fine with Mac Jones, I'm 238 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,879 okay with Cooper Rush. I don't like him as much 239 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:50,080 as Mac Jones, but the way Jackson is playing, Cooper 240 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:51,679 Rush has played in some pretty big games. 241 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,039 Speaker 2: Let's remember that. I'm totally fine with Baltimore at home. 242 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,279 Speaker 3: Come on, man, there's still a couple other key guys 243 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:58,679 for Baltimore that are questionable. 244 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: Go on, as of I don't think it matters myself. Shock, 245 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:02,879 that's such as my take. 246 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know why I look at these injury reports. 247 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,440 I pull up the Niners injury report and I go, man, 248 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,360 I gotta take the Rams. 249 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:09,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, how'd that work out? 250 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: Because especially we just talked about it in the last segment, 251 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,600 the wide receiver position, there was always depth. Every team 252 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:20,600 has white wide receivers. There are so many quality wide 253 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:23,200 wide receivers who get cut in training camp and they're 254 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,799 just hanging out. I mean it's a it's almost like 255 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:28,960 a a you know what, what's. 256 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: The what I said earlier, the interchangeable. 257 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: Interchangeable dime a dozen type of that's a position like that. 258 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,399 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of. 259 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: Good, you know, street free agents that are wide receivers. 260 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,480 That's just what I've seen over the years. But anyway, yeah, 261 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,559 I'm a little surprised. 262 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 5: My problem though, is the Baltimore defense has not played good. Granted, 263 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,600 they faced Buffalo, they face and they faced Kansas City, 264 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:53,799 but Kansas City had struggled until last week. That was 265 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,720 the first Now they got worthy back that help. But 266 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,080 Kansas City looked very good offense. 267 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,919 Speaker 2: I think all of those excusable. 268 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about the Lions, you're talking about 269 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,320 the Bills, you're talking about the Chiefs. That that's okay. 270 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,399 I mean those are those are excuses there. This line 271 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,519 is the Texans Lions look better and better, don't they. 272 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Week one, I really liked Lions plus 273 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:18,120 two and a half at Packers and they got crushed. 274 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: I'd love to make that bet again. I'd bet I'd 275 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,519 bet that again. 276 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 5: In two seconds and the Packers were getting penciled into 277 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,600 the Super Bowl at the first two weeks. 278 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:28,919 Speaker 3: I'll tell right now, I think Detroit's absolutely better than 279 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:29,320 Green Bay. 280 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: I bet it again, all right. 281 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:32,639 Speaker 1: John Murray joins this behind the counter with him. Talk 282 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,399 to us about other line moves or some sharp action 283 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,320 in the NFL games. 284 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Cleveland's getting some sharp money. They're at home. 285 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, there isn't Europe. They're in Europe. Pardon me 286 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,120 pretty much. 287 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,519 Speaker 2: But it is a home game, right they're the home team. 288 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,679 I think gave up their home game. 289 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: But I would I would say that. 290 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:51,159 Speaker 4: I think it's it's a play against Minnesota's offensive line, 291 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:54,080 you know, the back to the injury talk. Minnesota's really 292 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,720 banged up on the offensive line. Cleveland's lousy. But if 293 00:12:56,759 --> 00:12:59,360 there is one strength on the team, it would be 294 00:12:59,399 --> 00:13:03,240 the or on their defense. I think they're pretty good obviously. 295 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:04,960 I'll tell you a team getting a lot of sharp 296 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,120 money is the Raiders. But when we had the Raiders 297 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,120 plus seven, We're getting money on the Raiders from a 298 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,720 number of sharp accounts, that one for sure. 299 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: And Detroit is as well. Detroit. 300 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:19,399 Speaker 4: Detroit is just like a runaway freight train right now, 301 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,240 and no matter how high we set their lines. We're 302 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,279 seeing the wise guys bet them. They're blowing teams out 303 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,639 right now, Detroit looks really good. 304 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,879 Speaker 5: Did you have that conversation with our friend Kelly, Because 305 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,759 your friend Kelly, when we did our show, she was 306 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,559 loving Indianapolis and she was talking Indianapolis for her Survivor pick. 307 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:44,480 And I just I said, she's like ninety survivor. 308 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: I said, I will. 309 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,639 Speaker 5: Pray for you. I do not like that play at all. 310 00:13:47,759 --> 00:13:49,480 I said, I do not like that play at all. 311 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: Well, I can I always just tell your friend what 312 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:54,799 I what I'm seeing. 313 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 4: What I see is very sharp accounts, multiple accounts. We 314 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,919 respect taking the Raiders plus seven. I wouldn't want to 315 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,080 use Indianapolis to Survivor, but I lost on the I 316 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,240 lost on the Rams. 317 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:08,879 Speaker 3: Wasn't to me. 318 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: You know, how much credens do you put into this? 319 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:12,639 All right? 320 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: It is early in the season, so maybe more so. 321 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,360 This will be the Raiders third away game, all three 322 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,559 in the Eastern time zone. All right, so three or 323 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:24,600 five games on the road Eastern time zone three times 324 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,120 in five weeks that you know, you talk to former 325 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:31,799 players and Jay Otay, it's something that that means something 326 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,000 and uh and you know again, it's like New England. 327 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,360 They won the game, struggled, did not look good, looked 328 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,440 horrible against your Washington team. Right, and now Colts team 329 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,399 is you know, they're they've been playing extremely well and 330 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,320 you know they're the upset because they gave a game 331 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,200 away last week against the Rams. 332 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,159 Speaker 5: That's an understatement. 333 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, are the Colts the better football team? 334 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,919 Absolutely are? But I think you know factor in, you know, 335 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:03,000 the Raiders, you know, traveling. 336 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: Maybe that's why. 337 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,679 Speaker 3: Killing like that makes sense. And then the Colts are 338 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,840 off a terrible loss. Yeah that's true. 339 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, if I had to play 340 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,200 the game, I mean I would lean towards towards Indy 341 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,919 that I'm not crazy about late six and a half percent, 342 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,000 I probably will. 343 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, money line Parley, there you go. How about how 344 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,720 about that? Baltimore told Scott. 345 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,279 Speaker 1: Sprites are yesterday even Scott says, I love the teaser. 346 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,639 Baltimore plus you know eight and a half or nine. 347 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,279 Speaker 3: I go, thank you, Scott, that makes sense, Bigimore Baltimore 348 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:33,759 and a. 349 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: Half like yeah like that, Yeah, I tease that. Yeah, 350 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,200 I give you a lot of good tips. 351 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: Well, I said on the show yesterday, I teased the 352 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:42,799 Niners to to Baltimore. 353 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have teased the Niners. 354 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,759 Speaker 2: And that's what that's what, that's what he said. But yeah, 355 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:48,440 it worked out for you. You know, it was a winner. 356 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,360 It worked out. 357 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,759 Speaker 3: It won easily, actually exactly. I think it was never 358 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:52,159 in doubt. 359 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: All right, w NBA Finals. What are you see in? Uh? 360 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,559 Series wise and Game one wise? 361 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 4: Well, we need the Mercury, you know, we we we've 362 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,519 got some liability on the Aces in the in the 363 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:04,200 future pool. 364 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,519 Speaker 3: I haven't seen a ton on Game one yet, but unfortunately. 365 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:09,799 Speaker 4: I do have to root against you, TC. I mean 366 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,960 we are we're pretty stuck on the Aces. 367 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: I was told by my team here that they weren't 368 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,840 they couldn't win it this year. That's what I was told. 369 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: The team doesn't listen to the show. 370 00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: Huh, I don't know. I don't know what they listen to. 371 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,879 Who knows what they're doing? 372 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,919 Speaker 4: No, they obviously the Aces. I don't want to say 373 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,240 we wrote them off. Obviously TC did not. 374 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: Write them off. There's proofs in the pudding. 375 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 4: But you know, to have a seventeen game winning streaks 376 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,440 pretty unusual. Yeah, and there was a time where it 377 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:42,919 looked like the team was not an elite contender, and 378 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,120 they rallied and they righted the ship. 379 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:46,519 Speaker 3: So champions do man. 380 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the divisional round of the Major League 381 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,519 Baseball Playoffs. A lot of a lot of great stuff happening, 382 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,720 you know tomorrow we got a little new blood in there, 383 00:16:56,159 --> 00:16:57,799 Brew Crew and Cubs. Obviously has got to be a 384 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:01,480 popular series. Yeah, but is it a pop betting series? Obviously, 385 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,400 the Dodgers involved in Philly, I'm sure that's gonna get 386 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,160 a lot of attention. 387 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:07,519 Speaker 3: I think the public will, but definitely be on Chicago. 388 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 4: They bet him against San Diego. They're gonna do it 389 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,400 again in this series. You mentioned it that Dodgers Phillies. 390 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,720 That's the one we've seen money on the Dodgers. So 391 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,720 Phillies have home field, Dodgers are favored. You know, Dodgers 392 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,119 have a lot of question marks in that pitching staff. 393 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. 394 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: I don't know how much you upgrade them just because 395 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,200 they beat the Reds. The Reds really had no business 396 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,559 being in the postseason with that lineup. That was just 397 00:17:31,599 --> 00:17:35,480 a result of the Mets just completely collapsing. The Reds 398 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,559 were not really a playoff team, so it's hard to say. 399 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: You know what else, they got a question the guy 400 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:45,079 in the dugout, Oh yeah, he's like a go against 401 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:45,279 for me. 402 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 3: Don't forget about the bullpen. 403 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:51,759 Speaker 4: The bullpen really strugg Philadelphia on paper, has a much 404 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:55,440 more complete team, and they have home field, and yet 405 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:56,319 we've seen this. 406 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,599 Speaker 3: Get bet over to the Dodgers side. 407 00:17:58,839 --> 00:18:03,039 Speaker 5: Dodgers always get bet though. You're gonna get Dodgers, you're 408 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:04,119 gonna get Yankee true. 409 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Yank, We'll get Yankee money against against the 410 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Blue Gens for sure. I think Seattle Detroit's a fun series. 411 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:12,359 There's a lot of good young players on both those rosters. 412 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:13,440 Good pitchers too. 413 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:13,839 Speaker 2: Guys. 414 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: I can't remember last time I've seen a minus two 415 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,519 to twenty five favorite in game one. 416 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: That's what Seattle is over Detroit. That's insane. 417 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:23,079 Speaker 5: They haven't named the pitcher yet for Detroit. That's that's 418 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,240 part of the problem. 419 00:18:24,599 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big numbers because Seattle, Uh, with Detroit, 420 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,680 you know, they've been they've been running on fumes a 421 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,039 little bit. 422 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 3: It took a lot out of them to get through 423 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,680 that Cleveland series. That was great stuff. 424 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: I really enjoyed the last few days having the playoff 425 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,880 baseball and during the day. 426 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:41,039 Speaker 5: A team like Detroit that was the at one time 427 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:44,599 had the best record in baseball. Mets had that too 428 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,759 at one time, but we saw it have them. But 429 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:49,599 Detroit had that complete collapse at the end. Cleveland had 430 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:52,279 the great run. The fact that they went on the 431 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,559 road the three games in Cleveland got that series. Could 432 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,240 they I think they can make a run. I think 433 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:02,000 that's got to give confidence coming off that series. A 434 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,359 lot of people, like you said, the reaction is all 435 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,160 that took a lot out of them. I think that was, 436 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,119 you know, gives them the momentum to get that swagger 437 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,319 back they had during the season. And they have got 438 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:11,839 one of the best. 439 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, they have school schoobl Could schoobl can steal a 440 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,440 game in Seattle? Maybe he could win two games in 441 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,200 the series. I don't know if he's gonna go game two. 442 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,720 Is that the plan? Yeah, but I mean, yeah, there's 443 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:23,640 no in a five game series when you've got the 444 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,480 best picture left in baseball with skeens out, Yeah, of 445 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:28,519 course they could steal. 446 00:19:28,319 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: It all right behind the counter with John Murray, appreciate 447 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:34,880 you as always, John enjoy your weekend brought to you 448 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,079 by our great friends at wager talk dot com. 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