WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and on with Cliff and Bulbo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.199 are your favorites, so like Shay, subscribe and rade. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.280 It live star s and. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.000 Greatest con Ques today and listening watching Limb always keep 5 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:24.879 its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:33.439 Hey, everybody, welcome back to another big Foot and Beyond 8 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:35.399 with all of us on this side of the microphone. 9 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.560 We have a fantastic episode for you today, I mean 10 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:40.039 normally at this time, Boba and I catch up a 11 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:41.640 few minutes. We talked about what's been going on in 12 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:43.759 the field, what we've been up to. But we're not 13 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.079 gonna waste any time with us today because we have 14 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:49.439 one of our favorite guests on of all time back 15 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.799 for a second dip in this pool, our brother from 16 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:55.560 another mother, one of our best friends and colleagues for 17 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.799 many many years now, mister Matt Moneymaker. Matt, how are 18 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:00.560 you doing today? Thanks so much for on our little 19 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:01.359 podcast here. 20 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.239 I am quite well. It's good to be back on 21 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:09.000 your great show. It being better than so many Bigfoot 22 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:13.079 podcasts out there. I won't diss them all. 23 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:15.159 Go ahead and disc I mean. 24 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:20.000 Tell you want Okay, good. 25 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.040 Well, well, it's very very nice of you to slam 26 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.159 everybody else and prop us up. We really do appreciate that. 27 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:27.480 I'd like to think that anything that we do here, 28 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.840 whether it's the podcast or my museum or my fieldwork 29 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.400 or anything that I'm doing personally and with anybody else, 30 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:36.159 is something that I personally would like to see that 31 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.000 I don't see out there anywhere else. And we are 32 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.359 kind of a lighthearted yet serious podcast here, which we 33 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.560 really appreciate you coming on because we have so much 34 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.000 to talk about. We've got you and Bobo and I 35 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:48.560 have been friends since I don't even know how long. 36 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:50.200 I mean, I met you guys back in two thousand 37 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.239 and four or five or something like that, and you 38 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.000 guys are already friends before that, so we have quite 39 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:54.680 the history together. 40 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:55.879 Yeah. 41 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.599 Absolutely, And that's one of the reasons, as you know, 42 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.359 I think why are show worked well was because of 43 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:03.200 that chemistry. 44 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.120 I do hear that a lot like people would tune 45 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:08.439 you know, at the very beginning. I think I was 46 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:10.879 a little foolish, a little naive, perhaps, said I thought 47 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.800 sasquatches were the star of finding Bigfoot, but it wasn't. 48 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.879 I mean, people tuned in, Yeah, the Bigfoot stuff was tangential, 49 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.400 but I think people tuned in to watch us, you know, 50 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.800 do our thing. And because we're kind of strong, weird personalities, 51 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:25.639 a lot of us, you know, and all of us really, 52 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:28.400 and they liked seeing us do all these things out 53 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:30.120 there that they wish they could be doing. And I 54 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:32.120 think it was foolish of me to think that was 55 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:33.319 more about Bigfoot than us. 56 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.560 And then I remember the realization a couple of times 57 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:39.159 when I had with that, and I kept it kept happening, 58 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.599 and I was like, no, this can't be. We'd be 59 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:43.800 in a town hall, and after a town hall, of course, 60 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.039 there's lines of people coming up, wanting autographed, wanting to 61 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:50.120 talk to us, and I like would get like a 62 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:53.520 group of people there and it would be standing sometimes 63 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:54.879 not just like what are the time, but a group 64 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.800 of people, and I would start talking to them about like, okay, 65 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.560 where do you live and there's an area nearby you 66 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:03.280 and dad, da da da da. I would talk, you know, 67 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:07.000 I would talk about bigfoot stuff and and and it 68 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.599 didn't I could see the expressions on their faces that 69 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.639 they weren't really keen on that as I expected they 70 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.879 would be. And I would finally say well, you know, 71 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.240 I just figured, you know, you guys are into bigfoot 72 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.719 that much, you probably want to know like where the 73 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:26.039 hot stuff is happening around you. And then finally I 74 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.439 would get like a comment back. People would see my 75 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.360 puzzle and just say, well, we want to know about you. 76 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:35.680 And that's when I realized, Yeah, there was so many 77 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.599 fans of the show where we assumed they watch you 78 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:40.560 just like you. 79 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:40.879 You and I. 80 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.759 We all thought the only reason they were interested in 81 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:48.919 us is because we were really into bigfoots and we 82 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.319 were kind of a bridge to bigfoots. But the bigfoot 83 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.000 thing was the thing that they were most interested in. 84 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.560 And then we'd come to find out, well, they're not 85 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.520 really tear that really interested in bigfoot stuff, certainly not 86 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.120 as much as us, And they were more interested in us. 87 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.680 And of course we're sitting there thinking us like we're 88 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:10.479 in like compare the the you know, the gravity of 89 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:14.400 interest about us compared to bigfoots, you know, just like 90 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:18.319 how could we be more interesting than than bigfoots? But yeah, 91 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.079 but for a lot of people, that was us. They 92 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.720 were they they wanted to know all about us, and 93 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.360 you know, and and get close to us and and uh, 94 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.079 you know, get close to the person they saw on TV. 95 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.000 And so after a while I was like kind of like, okay, well, 96 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:33.519 it's like I have a whole lot more to say 97 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:37.600 about bigfoots than I do about myself. 98 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.639 Yeah, I personally don't find me be very interesting, you know. 99 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.079 But uh, but it was a it was a shock 100 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.160 to me because my curiosity about sasquatches is endless. 101 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.199 Yeah, because I get shock you right now, money, Remember 102 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.480 remember my my big encounter up in ball Hills, right 103 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.319 my first encounter where it came up and I was 104 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.040 with fraid Us and all that. My buddy and I 105 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.160 watched it with the night scope. 106 00:04:57.639 --> 00:04:59.879 What's that road that little spur off a ball to 107 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.399 road called Johnson. 108 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.319 Yeah, I totally remember this. 109 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.519 That was twenty four years ago. In two days. 110 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.240 Oh my god, I need to be. 111 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:12.839 Shocked because I was shocked when I was like twenty 112 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:13.839 four years my god. 113 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:15.040 I can't believe it. 114 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.839 I know, but that she tells me, We've had a 115 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:19.639 lot going on in our lives, and it feels like 116 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.399 it all went by so quickly. But yeah, we've been 117 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.160 doing this for a long time. And some people look 118 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.480 at that and say, see, look you've been doing this 119 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:28.639 for a long time, and you know, have you caught 120 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:30.120 bigfoot yet? 121 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.519 It's like, yeah, I guess you don't understand. 122 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.920 You know, we're we're learning about these things, and so 123 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:40.360 we're not measuring our success or failure based on whether 124 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:44.879 we've caught bigfoot or quote found them. And then if 125 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.399 I have somebody there, then I have to say, okay, 126 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.079 let's drill down as to what you mean by fine. 127 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.079 You know, when you mean fine, are you really what 128 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:54.399 you're really trying to say is do we have one 129 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.759 in a bag you know or you know? Or is 130 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.839 it by our measure that we figured out we're some 131 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.120 where we got close enough to them to at least 132 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.279 hear them. Definitely, so we found you know, an area 133 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.920 where some are around, which is feels like a pretty 134 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.959 big accomplishment when you're there and you were just trying 135 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.399 to guess it based on reports and a map. But 136 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:18.839 of course that doesn't satisfy the people who were not 137 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.639 there and didn't hear it with their own ears. 138 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.800 Yeah, you know, when you were saying, yeah, that shows 139 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.720 we've been doing it for a long time, at what 140 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:30.319 the thought in my head was like, Yeah, it just 141 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.560 shows that we're old men. 142 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.879 Yeah exactly. 143 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.199 I think I told you that that funny story about 144 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:41.319 how I had a producer. They were thinking they wanted 145 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.879 to do a show. They were asking me about different 146 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.680 people that could be in some kind of show, like 147 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:48.800 a one off or something else that they were trying 148 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.720 to develop. And they always want young people. They want 149 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:52.879 young energetic. 150 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:54.160 That's why I was there. 151 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:58.759 You go all ton monsters who goes around and like 152 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:03.000 interviews people all over with a place and and has 153 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.959 talked to all kinds of researchers who at least call 154 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:11.680 themselves researchers, you know, And and said I said, O, Kate, 155 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.079 like tell me give me that, like your a list 156 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.920 of like young energetic bigfoot researchers from which they can 157 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.720 maybe do screen tests and stuff like that. And the 158 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.079 guy was an Alex, No, it was it was one 159 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.759 of the guys just said, uh, young and energetic. 160 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.439 H that's a tough one. 161 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.120 I mean you told me that everybody's old that it's 162 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.800 involved in and stuff, and it's just like, yeah, I mean, 163 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:41.600 it's an older crowd that does bigfoot stuff. But our 164 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.959 show did help bring like a younger group. 165 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.959 To the table, oh for sure. 166 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.839 But it is it's different than the old group because 167 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.639 the younger group is just absorbing stuff purely through the 168 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.439 internet for YouTube, and through TV and stuff like that. 169 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.639 And back way back when we were watching you know, 170 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.879 documentaries and in search of and stuff like that, but 171 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.079 there was also written stuff. We were aware of the authors. 172 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:12.720 We were aware of Brover Krantz and John Green and 173 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:16.360 and all those guys who were really were going out 174 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.040 and doing stuff and and putting information together. And the 175 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.319 young group is just like, you know, you can hear 176 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:25.360 some kids personally, Oh, he's the he's so into bigfoots. 177 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.480 It's like he lives and breathes this stuff. And you know, 178 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:30.879 i'd say so, so you must, you know, what do 179 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:32.840 you think about John Green? And they're like, who's that? 180 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:33.919 Oh? 181 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.639 It was aggravating, right, aggravating when it's I want to 182 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:38.399 pull my eyes out, right. 183 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:43.120 They were the celebrities before TV kind of stuff. The 184 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.600 celebrities were John Green and anyone that wrote books, and 185 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:48.559 Bob and Roger. 186 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.639 Right exactly, anybody wrote books. And then there was like 187 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:57.399 the only kind of new scientist who was like coming to. 188 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.080 Take the reins was Meldrum. 189 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.200 And you would have hoped that there would have been 190 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.240 like at least as many of you know, form new horsemen, 191 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.120 you know, to make up for the four horsemen that 192 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.559 were fading away that were at least scientists, you know 193 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:17.120 that we're to universities. But it's I know, there's a 194 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.200 lot that are out there. I mean, at least according 195 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.600 to Darby, there's there's a lot of them that are 196 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:24.799 out there that you know, just kind of keep their 197 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:29.679 interest under their hat, but they're very willing to quietly 198 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:34.519 help the North Carolina effort and and and be involved 199 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.480 in stuff like that. So there is a rumbling of 200 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.799 interest in scientific community, and in large part it's I 201 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:44.320 think it's because of our show, because that's what allowed 202 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.080 the conversation to open up. People could broach the subject 203 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:53.840 in an academic environment by saying, you know, not sounding crazy, 204 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.200 just starting off saying, so have you seen the show 205 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:59.759 finding Bigfoot? Like you know, and then approaching it from 206 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:03.240 that way, and that made it like enabled people to 207 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.200 have a conversation about it because I think they didn't 208 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.360 immediately hit the stumbling block is they're talking to a 209 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.679 person who's been who's been that it was a brainwashed 210 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.679 or misinform that Bigfoot is this one lonely creature, that 211 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.000 supposedly phantom thing that keeps popping up here and there, 212 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:23.600 and they're speaking to somebody who understands it a little 213 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.799 bit more on a little more sophisticated level. 214 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:29.399 You know. One of the conversations we had many years ago, Matt, 215 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.919 when we're on the show and you're absolutely You're absolutely 216 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:34.639 right then, and you're still right about it now if 217 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.600 you still think the same way, is that our show 218 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.159 could have been on any network basically, but we ended 219 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.759 up on Animal Planet, and I think that that was 220 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.039 a big deal. You know, if it were on Discovery, 221 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:46.720 I think it would have the same effect. But a 222 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.440 lot of these smaller networks, even though they're maybe all 223 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.840 owned by Discovery Networks or whatever the parent company. I 224 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.679 think Animal Planet had that sort of machine to it, 225 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.679 or things on Animal Planet would be taken serious because 226 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.840 of all the other naturalists and such that were featured 227 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:06.240 on that on that same channel, And I think that 228 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.399 that really helped the Finding Bigfoot show have a have 229 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:12.720 an air of credibility about it. 230 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:15.919 Yes, And you know, I don't have a cable tier 231 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:19.759 anymore that has Animal Planet on it, so I don't 232 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:24.159 know what they're showing these days, but I'm wondering if 233 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:29.080 it's gone full like Treehouse Masters, just like the the 234 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.960 non animal related stuff that just like happened. They happened 235 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:36.240 to be able to get, you know, good advertising stuff 236 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:38.879 for but it did. And I was excited when it 237 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:41.000 was coming out of an animal planet for exactly the reason 238 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.600 that you described, because it gave it the air of respectability. 239 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.559 And I think people were just like they it was 240 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:52.399 still there even after Mermaids and meg Ladon and stuff 241 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.360 like that. It's still people still thought it was. It 242 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.919 was legit kind of like tour in the arena of 243 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.279 national geography. At least, you know, that's what we and 244 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:04.279 and that's all we want. 245 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.039 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 246 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:16.960 We'll be right back after these messages. So three to 247 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.519 six months doesn't seem like a long time right in 248 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:22.720 bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've been looking 249 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.840 for sasquatches for decades and decades and decades. But when 250 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.039 you think about what can happen in three to six months, 251 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.080 like what would you do in three to six months? 252 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.639 I'm going to give me six months go squatching squad 253 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.159 of course, of course, and how much do you think 254 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.720 is going to get done during that time? 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Restrictions apply. 292 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.879 See website for full details and important safety information. 293 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:32.320 I think all of us on the on the call 294 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:35.320 right now would probably agree that finding Bigfoot did a 295 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.200 lot of good for the bigfoot community in general, brought 296 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.000 a lot of new people in, put some new eyes 297 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:42.320 on the subject, brought got some scientists who are quietly 298 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.360 involved or at least interested in the background. Do you 299 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.639 think that finding bigfoot did any harm to the subjects? 300 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:50.039 Not at all. 301 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.720 But if I'm on like on a forum, or I 302 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.720 post something in a forum or comments, there's always some 303 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.840 income poop who's going to pop up and say, oh, yeah, 304 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:06.879 it did damage to the whole scene and hurt real researchers. 305 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.919 And I'm just like, you know, I used to reply 306 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.080 to that, but now I just kind of hold my tongue. 307 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:13.799 But what I'm thinking is, and what I used to 308 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.840 write this, Who the fuck are you? You know, real researchers, 309 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:21.639 What do you do? You know, I've never even heard 310 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.080 of you, And what kind of real research are you 311 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.519 doing except posting online? 312 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:27.960 You know? 313 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.840 And so yeah, it's it's the nobody's who've never done 314 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.279 anything will be very critical about us getting a lot 315 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.279 of attention for what we've done. 316 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:39.279 And and and I. 317 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:42.080 Think some of them have just seen other people write that, 318 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.879 oh yeah, they did more harm to the subject than good, 319 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.759 and it's just like, oh yeah, you're like and you 320 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.879 don't want to dignify it because they just want an 321 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:53.600 argument that's gonna make them. 322 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:54.279 You know. 323 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.480 It's like the young kid coming to town with his 324 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.440 gun and saying, you know, challenging the fast just gone 325 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.080 in the West, because that's gonna make him somebody, you know, 326 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:05.480 even if he gets wounded. 327 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:06.279 You know. 328 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.679 So I just look at this and say, you know, 329 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.799 I'm not even gonna do You're such a nobody trying 330 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.840 to sound in some way morally or intellectually superior, and 331 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.120 you're just not. You're inferior. You're a nobody. You've never 332 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:21.440 done anything, shut up and go away. 333 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:23.919 Well, you know. One of the concerns we all had, 334 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.559 I think on the show is that when when it 335 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.519 was on, we were worried about people going out and 336 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.039 doing too many calls and not doing them right and 337 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.080 knocking at the campfire and cluing in the Bigfoots that 338 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:37.039 we were onto their tricks. And I don't think I 339 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.360 don't really see that as having panned out. I mean, 340 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.279 some areas might be a little blown out, like Salt 341 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:43.360 Fork or something like that, but for the most part, 342 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.159 I don't think that that our fear has really come 343 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:45.679 to fruition. 344 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.799 It has happened to some degree that people would go 345 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.200 out and they'll howl and they'll knock, but they're doing 346 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:54.240 it just like. 347 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.720 They're not doing it in a systematic and continuous way. 348 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.840 It's like something they do once time and like they 349 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.000 maybe here's something, but we hear about it because so 350 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.599 we get some reports sound reports where people are mentioning 351 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.440 that they had seen the show and they did a 352 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.359 couple of howls or knocks and what they heard seemed 353 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.240 to be in response to that. So I get that 354 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:16.799 every once in a while. But yeah, I remember we 355 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.319 had the fears that so many people would go on 356 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.640 and do it and then the trick wouldn't work anymore. 357 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.359 But I kept falling back on. And then of course 358 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:29.200 there was those areas like you know, West Morris Campground 359 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.440 and Yuwari, a couple of places where the locals found 360 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.039 out like our honey hole, and they were going there 361 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.440 trying to get something going. But there was just a 362 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.359 handful of spots like that. Salt Fork would be another 363 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.599 place that people just went in and tried to do 364 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.440 so much stuff. But what I kept falling back on 365 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:52.680 is there's so many locations of where there's bigfoots around 366 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.559 that it's not you know that they're not going to 367 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.559 be able to blow out all of them. And the 368 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:03.200 best reactions responses comes from, you know, when you're finally 369 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.960 going to a place like real remote spot or someplace 370 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.480 it's no but no bigfoot's ever gone before. And it's 371 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:13.200 that that's why it's so important to do it right, 372 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:17.000 to make the sounds and do it properly, because it's 373 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:20.599 that first response where you're going to have the best 374 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.599 chance of getting a good sound recording or getting you know, 375 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.799 getting some thermal footage or something else. And then you 376 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.440 have to rely on after that. Like up at bumping, 377 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.480 they're still curious enough to come around, but that would 378 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:37.319 be like in a case of bumping, it's because they're 379 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.119 up in that valley anyway. And I say that openly 380 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.720 about bumping is because of the fires. I know, it's 381 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.920 it's changed up there quite a bit, So I don't 382 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.039 know if the same kind of stuff would still happen 383 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.559 that used to happen, even though we bring you know, 384 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:55.759 lots of people up there, and and and and but 385 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.279 people would like with Bart still had a pretty damn 386 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.799 good close encounter even though We've been doing expedition, like 387 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:05.799 a dozen expeditions up there in the summertime prior to that, 388 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:11.400 So it doesn't always ruin things, but it depends that 389 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.960 that's the place the Bigfoots are already around, and the 390 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.319 forest is such that they can get It's thick enough 391 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.759 where they can get pretty close to watch you, especially 392 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:22.759 at night, and not worry that you're gonna, you know, 393 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:25.519 race on after them and you know, or line them 394 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.759 up with a spotlight. They'll they'll still have that you know, 395 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.960 curiosity combined with the boldness that comes from having good cover. 396 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:36.079 In this situation. 397 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:40.240 But yeah, there's still still a whole lot of good 398 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.319 places around that even we don't know about yet. I 399 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.160 just found out one just two days ago about you know, 400 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.799 hearing about this daylight encounter that happened yesterday morning, very 401 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.839