Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mind over Murder podcast.
Speaker 2: My name is Bill Thomas.
Speaker 3: I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am
now trying to use my experience as the brother of
a murder victim to help other victims of violent crime.
I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders,
and I'm the co administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders
Facebook group together with Kristin Dilly.
Speaker 4: My name is Kristin Dilly. I'm a writer, a researcher,
a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the
social media manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway
Murders Facebook page with my partner in crime, Bill Thomas.
Speaker 5: Welcome to Mind of a Murder. I'm Kristin Dilly and
I'm Bill Thomas, and we're recording this on Saturday. And
it is less than a week since the big news
about the Big solves and the Colonial Parkway murders case.
And I can't begin to tell you how exhausted we
both are.
Speaker 3: We forget happy Martin Luther King Day to everyone. We
hope our conversation today about developments in the Colonial Parkway murders,
and the exciting news doesn't overshadow the fact that this
is also a solemn day in that regard.
Speaker 2: With that said, on with the show.
Speaker 5: It has been a head spinning, stomach journeying, heartburnt inducing week.
It's been thrilling and amazing. But I don't think the
two of us ever want to go on social media again.
Speaker 2: We have no choice.
Speaker 6: We have no choice.
Speaker 5: But wow, you're sipping out a cup of tea because
your voice is about to go out because you've been
doing so much media and.
Speaker 3: Podcasting, Yes, both Mind over Murder podcasting, and we'll be
appearing on several other podcasts in the coming weeks. So
there's been a lot going on. As my mom would say.
Speaker 6: It's been unreal.
Speaker 5: Everybody who has really shown up on social media to cheer,
to offer kind thoughts about the fact that there have
been these wondrous new developments in the Colonial Parkway murders.
Thank you all so much for showing up, for being
happy for us, for asking questions, and for downloading episodes
of the podcast.
Speaker 6: We really truly appreciate it.
Speaker 5: We would not be doing this without your love and support,
So thank you guys, first and foremost, we want to
make sure we say it at the end of the
busiest week of our podcasting career.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much for being here with us. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 3: We're thrilled again for the Edwards, Nobling and Howell families.
They received an incredibly important piece of news about the
fact that Alan Wade Wilmer Senior had been confirmed to
be the killer of those three individuals. He is a
serial killer. He is a suspect in all four of
the Colonial Parkway murders, and I think it may be
very likely that he will be identified as a suspect
and ultimately an offender in other unsolved murders in Virginia.
Speaker 5: Mark my words, I one hundred percent agree with you,
and in my copious amount of free time over the
last couple of days, I have been sitting and reworking
a timeline based on other unsolved cases around this area
and around the area where Alan Wade Wilmer Senior is
known to have spent time. And I think it is
very likely that there are going to be other cases
that he is involved in.
Speaker 3: I know there are Virginia State Police cases and FBI
cases in Virginia that are being looked at now. Additionally,
I can't count how many other cases people have reached
out to us to talk to us about. Most important
is that people reach out directly to the Virginia State
Police and the FBI. Kristin Dilly and Bill Thomas are
not investigators. We can't solve the Colonial Parkway murders or
any other unsolved murders in Virginia dependent on law enforcement
to do that important job. So please, if you have
any information about Alan Wade Wilmer Senior and his activities,
particularly in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties, even if
you've reported it before, please reach out to the Virginia
State Police or the FBI. We need their help and
they need all of our help to provide information which
will help position him. As Kristen's saying about timelines, they're
trying to do a really complicated thing, which is to
build out a timeline around a man who's dead and
died in twenty seventeen at age sixty three, and they're
trying to do this thirty something years later. Anything you
know about this man, which can be the most innocuous thing.
I used to dock my boat in Hampton or Gloucester
and the Denny Wade. His boat, a thirty two foot
fishing boat was parked right next door, and I used
to see him. There's a lot the things that we
want to get into today that are incredibly important, and
that the FBI and the Virginia State Police need your help,
and they need your help now, and please, I want
to beg people sending the information to Kristen and Bill
is wonderful. And I'm not saying we're not going to
take it to the FBI and the Virginia State Police,
but they want to hear from you directly. The same time,
we're seeing people comment on social media posts, not just
on the Colonial Parkway murders and Mind of a Murder
Facebook page, but on their own personal pages. Then people
are seeing things. There's nothing wrong with you commenting about
it on your social media page, but for God's sake,
copy and paste that if you will, and send it
in to the FBI or the Virginia State Police or both.
You saying, oh, I knew Alan Wade Wilmer and I
used to work with him in his tree business, or
I used to know the Wilmer family when I was young.
Please send that information in because remember, if you're placing
this serial killer at particular places and times while the
VSP and the FBI are building out their timeline. Even
something as simple as I worked on this project with him,
or I used to hang out at this bar with him,
those things place him at locations and times that may
line up with some of the unsolved murders that we're
talking about.
Speaker 5: And it does not have to be an example of
you witnessed him doing something weird or you saw him
commit a crime. It really does just need to be
something as simple as we used to hang out at
this club together, we used to get drinks after a
day's worth of oystering together. We just have to be
able to place this guy in as many locations as possible.
And as Bill said earlier, we really do appreciate everybody
who's sending in tips and information. We aren't investigators, and
the FBI and the VSP have far more resources and
far more manpower than two very overworked podcasters who also
have day jobs in addition to that, have so many
hours available to us in the day, and we can't
follow every lead. We do need everybody, please to make
sure that you send the information in via email or
that you call the FBI. I'm going to give that
information now, we'll give it again at the end of
the podcast, and we'll put it in our show notes.
So to contact the FBI, you call their tip line
at one eight hundred call FBI.
Speaker 6: That's C A L L FBI.
Speaker 5: You can submit a tip online at tips dot FBI
dot gov, and you can email the Virginia State Police
at Questions at vsp dot Virginia spelled all the way
out dot gov.
Speaker 3: Two other quick thoughts real important the public needs to
know and all of us have to remember that the
Wilmer family and the younger generation. He has two kids,
they have children who'd be Alan Wilmer Senior's grandchildren had
nothing to do with this. I think the sun was
eight years old at the time of the Colonial Parkway murders.
This is literally thirty seven years ago. They aren't going
to know anything about this. They don't need to be harassed.
We've heard stories that people are saying mean things to
the grandkids.
Speaker 2: This is outrageous.
Speaker 3: I've seen on social media people lashing out at Alan Wilmer.
I understand the anger, trust me, I'm feeling the same thing.
But putting up nasty grams on his obituary page and
harassing the families. It's not appropriate. Let law enforcement do
its job. Leave the family alone. They are going through
a very difficult time. I have zero sympathy for Alan
Wade Wilmer Senior, but I have no acts to grind
with the rest of that family. We just need to
leave them alone. One other thing regarding tips, very important.
We mentioned this the other day. The FBI and the
Virginia State Police don't care what you were into in
the eighties or nineties, this time frame that we're talking about.
We know that Alan Wade Wilmer Senior was into some
really sketchy stuff. He's a serial killer. He is likely
going to be linked to other unsolved murders in Virginia.
If you're uncomfortable reaching out now when they need the information,
no matter how simple or basic it is, nobody cares
that you were doing something maybe you shouldn't have been
doing or whatever. They don't care about your underage drinking
or the fact that you were involved in a drug
deal or or someplace where you shouldn't have been. They
want the information about Allan Wade Wilmer seniors whereabouts in
the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. To build out a
case and a timeline against a serial killer is incredibly challenging.
Let's be grown ups about this. No one's trying to
bust you for some dumb thing you did back in
the eighties or nineties. And by the way, I should
even say, stretching into the two thousands, I never got
into calling them the oughts. Really, we can't come up
with something better. They think he was an active serial
killer for a number of years, and a lot of
those serial killer cliches about serial killers always kill them
the same way. They always like the same kind of victim.
Put outside all that stuff, Kristain and I have met
with amazing profilers, many of whom you've heard of and
read about. We've been lucky enough to have a chance
to speak to and by the way, some of them
may be coming on mind of a murderer in.
Speaker 2: Them not too distant future.
Speaker 3: They've educated us we're not the experts, but we are
lucky enough to know some experts.
Speaker 2: They'll actually talk to us.
Speaker 3: These cliches about serial killers are like an automaton, and
they only kill one way, using a knife or a
gun or whatever, or they only kill one kind of victim.
None of those things are true. And even as Kristin
has been and studying what we know so far about
Alan Wade Wilmer Senior, we're seeing a real variety. We'll
be talking about that in a future episode of Mind
Over Murder. But there's some very interesting things about this
man's career as a serial killer, if you want to
call it that, that completely blow out any preconceived notions
you might have had about the only attack this kind
of person and they only use this kind of weapon.
That is not true in the Colonial Parkery murders, and
it's not true in what I believe will be other
cases linked to him.
Speaker 5: One of the things that you've probably noticed that we're
doing a lot in this episode is we are using
the term serial killer, and that is because that is
precisely what this man is. According to the criteria from
the FBI, the definition of a serial killer is someone
who has killed two or more people in two distinct,
separate events. That meets the criteria. Robin Edwards and David
Nobling were killed on Ragged Island in September of nineteen
eighty seven. Teresa Howell was killed in June of nineteen
eighty nine. That is three victims in two distinct events.
He meets the criteria for a serial killer.
Speaker 6: The FBI has not.
Speaker 5: Used that terminology yet in their press conference, but let's
be clear here, folks. There was a serial killer stalking
the Tidewater area of Virginia and there are going to
be more crimes attributed to him. So you're going to
hear us use that term a lot.
Speaker 3: The other thing that comes out of the press conference,
and this wasn't made clear at all in the press conference,
is that the confirmation of Alan Wade Wilmer Senior as
the Colonial Parkway killer, an expression I don't particularly care for,
is important here. His identification as the killer of three
people confirms that the Colonial Parkway murders is real and
that we have a murder series on our hands. We
can't lose sight of the fact that Alan Wade Wilmer
Senior was the number one suspect in the disappearance of
Keith cal and Cassandra Haley on the Colonial Parkway in.
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3: That disappearance is bracketed by as Kristen saying, the nineteen
eighty seven murder of Robin Edwards and David Nobling, now
confirmed to be Wilmer, and then the nineteen eighty nine
murder of Teresa Howell, also now confirmed. Not yet confirmed
is any role that he might have played in the
disappearance and likely homicide of Keith Colin Cassandra Haley. He
was the first suspect from the very first few days
of the disappearance of Keith Colin Cassandra Haley, as Blaine
Pardo has talked about in his book, and I want
to be clear about this. I heard this story from
my father, Joseph Thomas, who passed away a couple of
years ago at age ninety. My father told me this
exact story in nineteen eighty eight, and he heard it
from the FBI agents who were working this case at
that time. Remember, my sister Kathy Thomas and her girlfriend,
Rebecca Udowski were killed in nineteen eighty six in October.
My father then acted as our family liaison with the FBI,
and he spoke to the FBI agents, the case agents frequently.
He held them in very high regard. I was nearly
thirty years old at the time of that murder, and
I was very interested in what had happened to our
sister Kathy and her girlfriend Rebecca. So my dad and
I would sit down out of your shot of the
rest of the family. This was so upsetting for my family,
as you can imagine, especially from my mother. I would
sit down with my dad. We'd go off into a
quiet corner in our house somewhere, and my dad would say,
you might say, even over dinner, I spoke with the
FBI today, which happened a lot. We heard these agents'
names around the dinner table so often that I remembered them.
John Maybray, Bob Meadows, Robert Meadows is his real name.
My dad held these people in really high regard. Now
I can't tell you which agent told my father this story,
but this driveway story, as I called it, was something
that I knew had happened as far back as nineteen
eighty eight. Some of you may remember that a few
years ago we did a television series called The Lover's
Lane Murders for Oxygen. Don't ask me why they renamed
the show was supposed to be called.
Speaker 2: The Colonial Parkway Murders. Don't even go there.
Speaker 3: As part of that series, we actually shot a whole
series of interviews with various players with expert knowledge of
the case, as well as family members and media people,
and you know what goes into creating a television documentary.
We actually shot all those interviews twice, so I went
to IRV Wells home. IRV Wells was the special Agent
in charge. They called him the SAC. He was the
SAC during the Colonial Parkway murders. He was in charge
of all of the FBI agents who were working on
Kathy Thomas and Rebeccadowski's murders, and then a year and
a half later, the disappearance of Keith Colin Cassandra Haley
also on one of these half moon pull offs along
the York River. I sat with him on two separate
occasions in his living room in Virginia Beach for for
probably three to four hours. Kristen, and only a couple
of minutes of that footage ends up in a television
documentary like The Lover's Lane Murders, which by the way,
is worth going back and taking another look at a
lot of times when you're doing television, there's all this
setup time. Kristen's appeared in this documentary and knows about
this as well. They shoot for hours they only used
two minutes. And at the same time, it's a complicated
process from a technology perspective. I've worked in film and television,
and I find it fascinating. It takes hours to set
up the equipment, get the lighting right. This is all
very important, and get the sounds sorted out. So Irv
and I had hours together to just sit and talk.
Irva was a wonderful man. Unfortunately passed away recently, so
he's not here to talk with us anymore. He told
me the driveway story. We went back over that. He
also told me that the Colonial Parkway murders were his
single greatest professional regret as an FBI agent and a
special agent in charge. So here's this man who's went
to retirement by the time I was sitting down with
him and just filled with regret to that day, the
single greatest disappointment in his professional career as an FBI agent.
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So this driveway story is real. Just to finish that out,
the FBI was looking for a very distinctive truck. The
truck you're seeing in all the media. Yeah, and we'll
include in the show notes. This is the blue green
nineteen sixty six Dodge Fargo truck and it's got tongs
on the back of it, which almost to me, as
a civilian, looked like a tow truck. Kristin educated me
a little bit about oystermen and watermen and how you
would use these tongs to reach into the water to
pull out crab pots or haul oyster. So that truck
was very distinctive, and the FBI was looking for that
truck because it was reported to have been on the
Colonial Parkway the night that Keith and Sandy went missing,
pulling in from one of these half moon pull offs
to another. Now, once the FBI figured out who that
truck belonged to, because it had a very distinctive license
plate E M Raw, which, by the way, blam Pardo
was obligated to change slightly in his book because he
didn't want people harassing what we thought at that point
might be an innocent man. So the em Raw license
plate was very distinctive. Within days, the FBI had this information,
and these two FBI agents rolled up on Wilmer's home
up in Lancaster County and interviewed him, and he was
We've heard a couple of different versions, but cleaning with
solvent of some sort and repainting the bed of his
truck and the interior of his truck in a way
that the FBI agents found highly suspicious. I'm not sure
whether they ever took him into custody or not, but
ultimately they gave him and a second man a lie
detector test, polygraph examination. He passed the polygraph examination and
for whatever reason, was dismissed as a subject. So what's
heartbreaking is Alan Wade Wilmer Senior was a suspect from
essentially day one of the Keith Collin Cassandra hi Elite disappearance.
And I want to be clear here he could be
regarded as a suspect in all four of the double
homicides in the Colonial Parkway murders.
Speaker 6: Now let's also clear up another thing, because for anybody
who's saying, Bill, I guess I missed that at the
press conference where they talked about the fact that he
was the first suspect prime suspect if you will, in
the call Haley disappearance.
Speaker 5: No, you didn't miss it. They never talked about it.
They never talked about it. In fact, I'm going to
quote from my transcription of the press conference here as
they speak very specifically about the Colonial Parkway murders. So
here I'm going to go ahead end quote from Corin Geller,
who is the public information officer who was giving this
press conference quote. Now, many in the region will recognize
that the Isle of Wight double homicide as one that
occurred during a series of double homicides collectively known as
the Colonial Parkway murders. Although the similarities in these double homicides,
which spanned a three year period, cannot be ignored. Emphasis mind,
at this time, there is no forensic or physical evidence
to link the Isle of Wight County homicides to those
other double murders. The remaining double homicides, the two in
York County that occurred on the Colonial Parkway and the
one that occurred in New Kent County, are still active investigations,
and our combined investigative efforts continue.
Speaker 3: Far be it from me to parse what's being said there,
but note the use of the word forensic and physical.
Speaker 6: YEP, I was about to say the same thing.
Speaker 3: Look, I agree, there is no evidence that we're aware
of that links the Colonial Parkway murders. We've asked this
as families numerous times, and assuming we're getting a straight answer,
they've told us repeatedly, including a couple of months ago,
that there was no forensic evidence linking the four double
homicides in the Colonial Parkway murders. But there is evidence
linking Alan Wade Wilmer Senior to two of the four
double homicides that I believe there's a strong evidence that
indicates that he was on FBI radar for the disappearance
of Keith Collin Cassandra Haley. It's the following April nineteen
eighty eight, after the September nineteen eighty seven murder of
Robin Edwards and David Noveling, And if we go back
one more year, we've got Kathy Thomas and Rebecca Dowski
also dying on the Colonial Parkway, and then of course
the murder series closes out and we're not sure if
these are all related. He is still being regarded as
a suspect in the nineteen eighty nine murder of Anna
Maria Phelps and Daniel Lower. That's the case up on
Interstate sixty four over Labor Day weekend nineteen eighty nine.
So I'm sorry that when Andy Fox, whose longtime reporter
here in the Williamsburg market, asks the question twice, can
we ask how Ellen Wade Wilmer Senior, And keep in mind,
the suspect's dead, not like anybody's going to jail here,
and it's not like any of this is being brought
into court. Andy Fox is heard at the press conference
asking twice, and this is not an unreasonable question. Can
we ask how Alan Wade Wilmer Senior moved on to
FBI Virginia State Police's radar and they said no, And
I am I'm horrified that we're going to play that
we're going to play these kind of games.
Speaker 2: Shall we say, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Want to pick up on something you said a minute ago.
Speaker 5: You had said assuming we get a straight answer from
the FBI with regard to you and the families, Normally
you're the person who's salty about the FBI. But let
me just go ahead and take a moment to have
mine to I am find being salty about this. I
don't think you can assume you're getting a straight answer
out of the FBI. I truly don't. And to the
FBI analyst who has no doubt listening to this. Sorry,
but I'm willing to be salty about this for a second.
I don't think you can assume that you get a
straight answer out of the FBI with regard to anything
about these cases. I think that's unfortunate because I'm a
big fan and a big proponent of the work that
the FBI does. But I don't think you can assume
anymore that you're going to get a straight answer out
of them. And I think that's really unfortunate because I
do hold them in high regard. Before we get into
the particulars of her case, I do want to speak
to the fact that we didn't really.
Speaker 6: Know a whole lot about this.
Speaker 5: First of all, we have always wondered if there were
I'm going to use my term for it, parkway adjacent cases.
We had always done with the assumption that maybe Brian
Pettinger was going to be a parkway adjacent case, maybe
Lauren Powell was going to be a parkway adjacent case,
until some media sources came to us a couple of
months ago and said, hey, have you heard about the
murder of Teresa Howell. Both of us were like, No,
we haven't heard about the murder of Teresa Howell, and
I do feel bad that we had never linked her
in as a Parkway adjacent case. What we understand about
her murder is so different from what.
Speaker 6: We had considered parkway adjacent cases.
Speaker 5: Brian and Laurie Anne, I don't think we ever considered
the possibility that we should group her in there. We
have considerably less information about Teresa Howell's case than I
would like to have, and I'm hoping to remedy that
in the near future by doing some more research. But
we do know that Teresa Howell disappeared in June of
nineteen eighty nine, after last being seen at the Zodiac
Club on Mercury Boulevard in Hampton.
Speaker 3: We know that Teresa Howell was separated from her husband.
She was heading into a divorce. She was twenty nine
years old. She's seen at this place, the Zodiac Club, which,
as I understand it was adjacent to another club known
as the Ivory Horse. We're learning a lot more people
are reaching out to us. The Zodiac Club was quote
unquote a private club. You had to be a member,
and you had to be signed in either as a
member or by a member in order to be able
to go into the club. I don't know how strictly
they held to. These are told that the Ivory Horse
was right next door and that the Zodiac Club would
stay open until five am, which is way later than
bars are open in Virginia. Because of this private club status,
one of the things we want to ask our listeners
is what do you know about the Zodiac Club? Did
you ever go to the Zodiac Club or the Ivory
Horse which was apparently connected to the Zodiac Club. Did
you ever see Alan Wade Wilmer there. This would have
been in the eighties or nineties, keeping in mind that
Teresa Howell was murdered in June nineteen eighty nine. Some
people have commented on our social media pages they thought
that Alan Wade Wilmer Senior, who was married and had
two kids. But remember they're hours away and he's probably
living on his boat in the Hampton, Gloucester area. So
what's being lost is I think he's an average looking
guy with a neatly trimmed beard. Some people have commented
they regarded him as handsome. He's five foot five inches tall.
He is way outside the norm. He is very short,
he's very muscular. I was saying to Kristen a kind
of picture Popeye, the sailor man. He's apparently he was
really built. He's very buff. I mean, he works on
the water, he hauls oysters. He had a tree business.
Apparently he's incredibly comfortable climbing trees and cutting limbs. And
he's a physically strong guy with a very strong upper body.
But he's five foot five inches tall. This guy should
stand out. He should stand out I think in a crowd,
perhaps not with his head above the rest of the crowd.
But oh, I'm sorry. I'm not feeling terribly charitable to it,
and you.
Speaker 6: Don't have to, It's totally fine.
Speaker 3: But did you see this man? Do you remember a short,
muscular man with a neatly trimmed beard in the Zodiac
Club or the Ivory Horse. We are fairly certain that's
where he met miss Howell. She was newly divorced or
headed in that direction, and she's probably out ready to
socialize and spend time with people. And this bar has
a reputation for being a pickup joint, a singles bar.
I know, for our younger listeners, they're not going to
know what the heck we're talking about, But.
Speaker 2: It was a phenomenon.
Speaker 6: I would say too, if you're familiar with any other
bars along that stretch of Mercury Boulevard, or any bars
around the various marinas where he would have been docking
his boat. We know that he docked at Gloucester, we
know he docked at Hampton, and we know he docked
at Middlesex. If you know of bars and restaurants around there,
if you frequented those bars and restaurants and you saw
this guy or hung out with this guy, or bought
a beer for this guy, or he bought a beer
for you, please make sure that you call in that information.
It is super important that the FBI and the VSP
be able to establish a timeline of this guy getting
off of the boat and socializing in and around the area.
We have to have that information. It is very important.
Speaker 5: So please, we do urge you to take a very
good look at those various photos that are provided by
the Virginia State Police and the FBI. You get photos
of him from nineteen eighty eight, nineteen ninety four, nineteen
ninety nine, two thousand and four, and two thousand and nine. Unfortunately,
there is nothing of him beyond two thousand and nine.
He is a distinctive looking guy, and at least in
the first couple photos. Yeah, you could argue that he
looks handsome, but definitely please do take a look at that.
We have posted this all over our social media pages
and we do encourage you to share on yours as well,
especially if you have friends in and around this area,
the Rappahannock area in northern Neck, any place in the
Tidewater region. Please share this information. It is vitally important
that we get it out to everyone.
Speaker 3: And the FBI and the Virginia State Police described him
as trangent. So he he lived and I put air
quotes around that up in Lively, Virginia and the Lancaster
County area, but he apparently spent weeks, if not months,
down in the Tidewater area with docking at Gloucester, Hampton
and other locations. Was certainly taking a look at the
oystering season and when he might have been pulling oysters
and selling oysters.
Speaker 2: I know that he was.
Speaker 3: Known for illegally obtaining crabs and oysters, and he was
also known for breaking the rules as a hunter. He
was an avid hunter and outdoorsman. So I'm not locked
into the idea that he would only be fishing or
hunting during the times that were legal. But I think
in terms of selling to restaurants or grocery stores or
even private individuals, I think he'd probably be pushing his
luck to be doing that openly at times where it
was not seasoned and therefore illegal to sell those items.
This puts him in the Tidewater area, going up and
down the York and James Rivers and pulling up sleeping
on the boat. This boat was a thirty two foot
wooden boat, the Denny Wade, painted white, also quite distinctive,
and again will include pictures in the show notes and
in our social media pages. You don't want to get
locked into thinking he's up on the Northern Neck and
he's not there. No, he's right there in the Tidewater area,
raping and killing women and couples. I think we all
have to broaden our thinking. We have an identified suspect.
I know it's not a very satisfying result to have
this person be named when he died in twenty seventeen
at age sixty three. I know we're all very frustrated
that a suspect like this couldn't have been named and
brought before the halls of justice sooner than this. It's
not necessarily the outcome that we all wanted. Understand, from
my perspective as the brother of a murder victim. We're
looking for answers. We've been waiting for answers for as
long as thirty seven years, and Colonial Parkway murders are
thirty three to thirty seven years ago. Now we knew
that there was a very good chance that this suspect
and perhaps other suspects, might be dead by now, we're
still looking for answers. I know that when I spoke
with Jeanette Edward Santiago, who's Robin's sister who's been amazing
in this case. She mentioned her mom, Bonnie Edwards, who's
also just a lovely person and has done a tremendous
amount of work in this case. And the fact that
Jeannette said to me, we wanted to get this news
while my mom was still with us. Thankfully, Bonnie's still here.
More than half the parents, as you've heard me mentioned before,
are gone. Now think about that sixteen moms and dads,
at least nine the last time I counted are gone now. Thankfully,
Judy Noblin is still with us and doing great. She
probably hit me over the head because she's actually quite young.
David's brother, Michael is a young and vibrant man and
a fantastic guy, and he's done a tremendous amount of
work on this case. All of us understand that we
may be looking at an empty chair in terms of
identifying an offender here, waiting for answers.
Speaker 2: As for as long.
Speaker 3: As people in this case have we're still looking for
those answers. It's incredibly important and meaningful to the families
that we help solve all of the Colonial Parkway murders, and.
Speaker 5: The best way that you can do that is to
please submit tips to the FBI and the VSP. We
also want to encourage anyone who has ever reached out
to us about strange encounters on the Colonial Parkway. If
you had an encounter on the Colonial Parkway either with
that very distinctive blue Dodge Fargo truck, please do reach
back out to the FBI or the VSP and re
report that incident so that they can continue to go
back and try to establish a timeline on this guy.
Maybe he was the person who encountered you on the parkway.
Maybe not, but it is important that they have all
of this information so that they can look at this anew.
So please, if you have any information whatsoever with regard
to Alan Wade Wilmer Senior, his truck or his watercraft,
call the FBI at one eight hundred call FBI, go
online to submit a tip at tips dot FBI dot gov,
or email questions at VSP dot Virginia dot gov to
reach the Virginia State Police that is going to do it.
For this episode of Mindover Murder, thank you so much
for listening. We'll see you next time.
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