Speaker 1: Tell me what you lift was like before you died.
On the seventeenth of May, I had a very large
mass on my neck. It was swallowing like this. I
had gone previously gone to an outpacing the emergency room
stand alone, and the doctors said. He came back at
we did MRIs blood test and all that stuff. I
was having trouble breeding is why I went there and swallowing.
And the doctor came back in and told me. He
said that there's about a ninety nine percent chance that
this is a very aggressive form of cancer. And he said,
I've sent your information out to two other doctors. They
have all agreed that this is very aggressive and you
need to go see this cancer searching immediately on Monday.
He cleared his schedule so I could go in on Monday.
He says, do not put this off. It's very aggressive,
and he said you need to go see him now.
I said, okay. I never made it to Monday, Friday
or on the seventeenth of May, I was having extreme
difficulty swallowing and breathing. I couldn't swallow water, I couldn't
swallow anything. We have little oxygen meters that measure your
oxygen and my oxygen at that point was registering about
eighty eight to eighty nine percent, and they say below
ninety you need to get to an emergency room fast.
So my wife said, let's go. We went to the
emergency room in downtown four where she drove. I. I
was feeling enough out of it at that point. I
didn't feel safe to dry. She drove. We went to
the emergency room. She I said, drop me off in front,
parked a car. Come on in. She said, okay, And
I walked through the emergency room doors, and there's a
line in emergency rooms, you know, people checking in. The
lady at the who was behind the window kind of
went like this and looked at me and says, are
you okay? Well, I had to struggle to get to
get out some of them. I'm having a little trouble breathing.
And she says, going in the back right now, and
she pushed a button, a door open and I went
straight into the back. She didn't even check me in
at this point, just sent me right straight back to
the emergency room. The doctor met me back there, sat
down and started looking examined me and taking his little
preliminary tests and everything else. And my wife got there
about the same time that the doctor said, we're going
back here and we're going to intubate him, which is
an oral tube down my throat. So they took me
into the back room and of course they put me
to sleep to put this tube down and intubated me.
They put the tube in and then so I could
get oxygen, and took me immediately they admitted me to
the intensive care unit. That was the last thing I
last time I was awake. And what happened as the
doctor came in, looked at the charts, looked at all
the machines, you know, because they had me, you know,
they put you on the machines and everything, and of
course the oxygen going in and tubes everywhere and that.
The doctor looked down and says, well, he seemed to
be His stats look real good. Let's see how he
does without the tube and see if he could breathe
without it. Well, she kind of messed up because she
should have had should have done an X ray prior
to that, which she didn't, or an mi I or something.
She took it out. I asked my wife to leave
the room, took it out, and you know, started watching
my wife came back in, and she was in there
about thirty thirty five minutes, and I was I was
breathing fine, everything, it was looking great, and I'm getting
oxygen stats into my you know. They put it on
a figure and I said, I said, everything was good,
and she said, all right, looks like he's doing okay
on this. And she left the room with my wife
out there, and of course my wife came back in. Well,
they were gone about forty thirty five or forty minutes,
according to medical records. And that's the other nice thing
about unique thing about this. Everything was recorded, so I
can when I say the time, I can look up
the metal rocket and say how long it was during
that thirty five to forty minutes that they were gone.
That mass rolled over my airway and I suffocated to death.
My heart stopped. I had no oxygen. My wife is
the one that discovered me. Turned in blue, deeper blue,
deeper blue, deeper blue. It looked like somebody in the
Blue Man group, except I had no makeup. I was
just no oxygen. She ran out of the room out
there and hollered, he's blue, he's blue, and the doctor's
at the nursing station, and the doctor of course ran
in and discovered me. She was right and stopped breathing.
My heart had stopped. That course, hit the code blue button.
Everybody in the world came in. They chased my wife
out of there. They were doing CPR. They took them
fifteen minutes CPR to get my heart going, and they
were in the process they were trying to get oxygen
into me, and they couldn't do that. Now, when I died,
I'd actually died three times. So the first time that
I died, I was in heaven for fifteen minutes, basically
about what we tried to equate that time, fifteen minutes
Earth time. We tried to equate this according to how
long no heart, no absence, no nothing, no stimulus, and
everything according to medical records. And I left my body
and I remember hovering above my body and looking down
and going like and I'm watching all the nurses and
the doctor crawl under the tables. There were tubes they
were pushing. They ended up breaking my ribs, of course,
doing CPR, trying to get my heart going. I drifted
out to the hall and I saw my wife just crying.
She was just hysterical she could imagine, and literally there
were puddles of tears on the floor. She has been
done with her. At that point, I knew something isn't normal. Okay,
yes I'm not with my body. I'm going like looking down,
it's surreal. But it wasn't like that. I'm going, oh wow,
I'm down like no pain, no feeling, nothing, I'm just
watching it now. This isn't for a long period of time.
This was like maybe twenty thirty seconds how long it
takes to look down and see what's going on. And
I drifted out here and then that fast, I was
standing in heaven. I didn't see a tunnel light, and
you can go through a tunnel light and do it.
I was just in heaven. I remember the feeling as
soon as I was standing there. Now I could feel,
I could smell, I could hear, I could do everything.
And I'm standing at the edge of what I call
like the inner courtyard, if you would call it. It's
like a huge maze like there were trees and pushes it.
So I'm standing here and I'm looking around literally like
you were just was it like? And I'm looking at
I'm looking at the trees and the flowers and just
disrupt everything. And it's just like there's this massiveness, so beautiful, brilliant,
and like we have forty three oak trees in our backyard,
and our oak trees compared to the trees and having
like little dying branches. The colors are so vibrant, right,
And it's not like three dimensional, that's like a gazillion dimensional.
I mean, it's just they're just they're the flowers and
the colors. There is absolutely no way you could describe all.
There's colors and trees and the greens and different colors
they don't even have here that I am feeling the
most peaceful, loving feeling. It's like a huge giant hug.
It's like you're connected to everything and everything it's just
fills you with love and the peace. And I found
out what that is. In heaven, there's no sun, there's
no night, it's just day. But there's no sun in
this guy. You know, we always say that Jesus is
the light. Well that's literal. He his light lights up
all of heaven. And in his light is his law
that carries out and comfort that just creates everything and everybody,
and everybody's connected by that that love that just you
just feel love. It's just like a giant hug. So
now I'm looking at the trees and the vibrancy of it.
But something unique about the trees and the plants in heaven.
Every tree, every flower, every plant gives off what I
call a little melodic tone or hum. We'll be right
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show. And they all combined together at singing
praises to Jesus all day long. Now it's in the background,
it's like a not a white noise, but I mean
if you're stop and you could hear it, but it's there.
There's no dead silence, but it's there, and it's continuously
and it's the most beautiful song melodic tone that you
ever could think of. Well, the plants and everybody are,
which is just it was just the neatest thing, most peaceful,
loving feeling. You're looking at you going like wow, I mean,
you just can't believe. And it's like you don't feel
any pain, you don't feel it. You just feel vibrant love, warmth.
It's just incredible and the beauty of everything is unbelievable.
Over at the outside. I was outside. I was looking
in the inner courtyard and it's just rows of shrubbery.
There's a rover of pure colorful river white running through
all the way back up to what we would like
a throne, if you would have it. And along it
were benches with trees and flowers on the edge of
the river and stuff. And if you ever seen these
huge mansions that have like all the shrubbery and stuff
in designs and everything only the most elaborate, elegant, beautiful things,
and everything was absolutely perfect. And I remember looking over
and I saw a figure that I recognized these and
I look and it's in the distance and he was
just there tending the bushes and stuff like that, you know,
And it was my dad. My dad had died in
nineteen ninety. He died in twenty eleven. But when I
saw him, I recognized him as the dad of my youth.
He was about thirty five thirty six years old, maybe
perfect health, happy, and I remembered him from when I
was growing up. And I'm looking and I'm like wow,
because now the sensory overload is just I realized, I'm
pretty sure I'm in heaven here, this is you. Know,
but I'm still not thinking about having been Dad dying,
and you know, there was no pain that I was
just eve when I was down there, and I remember
walking over approaching my dad and I walked up to
him and I said, Dad, Now, my dad and I
had this kind of little thing that we had when
I was growing up. I was in the military and
in some pretty precarious positions, and I remember I get
shot or wounded or something. I spent three and a
half years in Vietnam alone. But I'd come home and
he'd say, well, you really did it now, didn't you,
son you? And I yes, Dad, I didn't do anything,
you know. But it was his little way of putting
light on the situation. But it was kind of a
little thing that we did well every time I get
and teld me you did it now, didn't you. I
walked up to him and I said Dad, and he
goes yeah. He says, well, you did it now, didn't you.
And it was kind of like his way to let
me know, this is my dad right, And I'm going, Dad,
I didn't do anything. I died. He says, I know,
I know, and I said wow, And I went like,
am I happening. He says, where do you think you are?
And I says, I think it's happening. He goes yes.
And we talked a little bit about, you know, things
in the past, and I remember looking over seeing over
in a far distance of light and a silhouette, oh man,
which you know you have a silhouette of Jesus. When
I'm looking at him again, I says, who's that over there?
And he said, who do you think it? I says Jesus,
and he goes yes as well. He says, the first
thing you do when you're approaching me, you start with
your right knee on the ground. Then you left me
on the ground, and if there's a conversation to be had,
he'll start it. And I said, okay, so we're talking
a little bit more. And of course, my being me,
I wanted to go me Jesus. So I started to
walk in that fast. Just as fast as I was
there that fast, I was back in my body. Those
cotton picking doctors got my heart going. I went from
total absolute ecstasy to bam right back all the pain
and everything. And at this point, fortunately I wasn't there
that long. But then it was almost as fast as
I was back. I died again. This time, I didn't hover.
I was right back in heaven again. This time I
was standing outside of a field. The huge pasture and
the trees, the familiar smells and the hug and the
feeling of love was like I'm home. It was absolutely incredible.
While what happened down there, and the reason that I
died again was because of stress pain. I suffocated the
first time the second time, during the time I was gone,
they were trying to took fifteen minutes in my heart
going again. This time, they were trying to get a
trait down me again so I could get oxygen again,
but they couldn't get it down in there because that
mass had rolled over it was blocking it. So then
they decided they had to trake me and they're doing
CPR again because my heart stopped again. And what had
happened was they could still couldn't get oxygen to me,
so I continued being without oxygen. So I've already been
without oxygen for fifteen minutes. Took him another twenty minutes
to get anything back down in there, and the reason
for that when they inserted the tubes, they couldn't get
oxygen in still, and my lungs were filled with blood
and the trait tubes got filled with blood and all
it was doing was pumping blood oxygen in there, and
they couldn't get any oxygen because my inside of my
lungs had been coated with blood. They were coagulating. And
when my heart stopped the second time and they went,
they came out to my wife, he's gone. It's gone again.
He's gone. He's gone. And they came out and to
my wife and says, what do you want us to
do when we had a living will? My wife says,
you'd do everything you can't And they went back in
and said his wife says, keep doing everything we can.
So they did. They continue in that fast and on
the back of my body, and it was not pleasant.
I went through surgery. The doctors had no idea that
I could feel anything. Believe in the one that God
has said. That's God's works. All the works he has
you do, he says, and that is through faith, and
that not of your own. So he gives you the
faith because you can't do anything. No works will get
you into Heaven. It makes no difference. You have to
do that here through the faith that he gave you,
but those works are done without believing in him. It
takes those works, and then once you do that belief,
then he says everything else is not work. You can
still go help the poor, help the needing, do this,
do that, do good things, but you're not doing it
out of guilt or obligation or out of trying to
get your way into heaven. There's no works that can
get you into heaven. That isn't the way it works.
You have to believe, and that's able to anybody, anywhere, anytime.
That's the big difference right there.