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Speaker 1: Tell me what you lift was like before you died.

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On the seventeenth of May, I had a very large

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mass on my neck. It was swallowing like this. I

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had gone previously gone to an outpacing the emergency room

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stand alone, and the doctors said. He came back at

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we did MRIs blood test and all that stuff. I

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was having trouble breeding is why I went there and swallowing.

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And the doctor came back in and told me. He

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said that there's about a ninety nine percent chance that

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this is a very aggressive form of cancer. And he said,

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I've sent your information out to two other doctors. They

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have all agreed that this is very aggressive and you

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need to go see this cancer searching immediately on Monday.

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He cleared his schedule so I could go in on Monday.

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He says, do not put this off. It's very aggressive,

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and he said you need to go see him now.

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I said, okay. I never made it to Monday, Friday

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or on the seventeenth of May, I was having extreme

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difficulty swallowing and breathing. I couldn't swallow water, I couldn't

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swallow anything. We have little oxygen meters that measure your

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oxygen and my oxygen at that point was registering about

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eighty eight to eighty nine percent, and they say below

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ninety you need to get to an emergency room fast.

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So my wife said, let's go. We went to the

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emergency room in downtown four where she drove. I. I

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was feeling enough out of it at that point. I

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didn't feel safe to dry. She drove. We went to

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the emergency room. She I said, drop me off in front,

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parked a car. Come on in. She said, okay, And

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I walked through the emergency room doors, and there's a

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line in emergency rooms, you know, people checking in. The

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lady at the who was behind the window kind of

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went like this and looked at me and says, are

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you okay? Well, I had to struggle to get to

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get out some of them. I'm having a little trouble breathing.

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And she says, going in the back right now, and

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she pushed a button, a door open and I went

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straight into the back. She didn't even check me in

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at this point, just sent me right straight back to

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the emergency room. The doctor met me back there, sat

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down and started looking examined me and taking his little

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preliminary tests and everything else. And my wife got there

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about the same time that the doctor said, we're going

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back here and we're going to intubate him, which is

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an oral tube down my throat. So they took me

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into the back room and of course they put me

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to sleep to put this tube down and intubated me.

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They put the tube in and then so I could

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get oxygen, and took me immediately they admitted me to

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the intensive care unit. That was the last thing I

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last time I was awake. And what happened as the

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doctor came in, looked at the charts, looked at all

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the machines, you know, because they had me, you know,

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they put you on the machines and everything, and of

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course the oxygen going in and tubes everywhere and that.

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The doctor looked down and says, well, he seemed to

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be His stats look real good. Let's see how he

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does without the tube and see if he could breathe

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without it. Well, she kind of messed up because she

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should have had should have done an X ray prior

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to that, which she didn't, or an mi I or something.

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She took it out. I asked my wife to leave

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the room, took it out, and you know, started watching

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my wife came back in, and she was in there

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about thirty thirty five minutes, and I was I was

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breathing fine, everything, it was looking great, and I'm getting

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oxygen stats into my you know. They put it on

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a figure and I said, I said, everything was good,

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and she said, all right, looks like he's doing okay

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on this. And she left the room with my wife

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out there, and of course my wife came back in. Well,

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they were gone about forty thirty five or forty minutes,

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according to medical records. And that's the other nice thing

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about unique thing about this. Everything was recorded, so I

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can when I say the time, I can look up

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the metal rocket and say how long it was during

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that thirty five to forty minutes that they were gone.

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That mass rolled over my airway and I suffocated to death.

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My heart stopped. I had no oxygen. My wife is

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the one that discovered me. Turned in blue, deeper blue,

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deeper blue, deeper blue. It looked like somebody in the

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Blue Man group, except I had no makeup. I was

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just no oxygen. She ran out of the room out

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there and hollered, he's blue, he's blue, and the doctor's

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at the nursing station, and the doctor of course ran

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in and discovered me. She was right and stopped breathing.

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My heart had stopped. That course, hit the code blue button.

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Everybody in the world came in. They chased my wife

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out of there. They were doing CPR. They took them

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fifteen minutes CPR to get my heart going, and they

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were in the process they were trying to get oxygen

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into me, and they couldn't do that. Now, when I died,

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I'd actually died three times. So the first time that

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I died, I was in heaven for fifteen minutes, basically

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about what we tried to equate that time, fifteen minutes

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Earth time. We tried to equate this according to how

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long no heart, no absence, no nothing, no stimulus, and

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everything according to medical records. And I left my body

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and I remember hovering above my body and looking down

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and going like and I'm watching all the nurses and

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the doctor crawl under the tables. There were tubes they

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were pushing. They ended up breaking my ribs, of course,

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doing CPR, trying to get my heart going. I drifted

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out to the hall and I saw my wife just crying.

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She was just hysterical she could imagine, and literally there

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were puddles of tears on the floor. She has been

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done with her. At that point, I knew something isn't normal. Okay,

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yes I'm not with my body. I'm going like looking down,

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it's surreal. But it wasn't like that. I'm going, oh wow,

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I'm down like no pain, no feeling, nothing, I'm just

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watching it now. This isn't for a long period of time.

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This was like maybe twenty thirty seconds how long it

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takes to look down and see what's going on. And

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I drifted out here and then that fast, I was

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standing in heaven. I didn't see a tunnel light, and

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you can go through a tunnel light and do it.

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I was just in heaven. I remember the feeling as

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soon as I was standing there. Now I could feel,

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I could smell, I could hear, I could do everything.

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And I'm standing at the edge of what I call

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like the inner courtyard, if you would call it. It's

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like a huge maze like there were trees and pushes it.

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So I'm standing here and I'm looking around literally like

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you were just was it like? And I'm looking at

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I'm looking at the trees and the flowers and just

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disrupt everything. And it's just like there's this massiveness, so beautiful, brilliant,

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and like we have forty three oak trees in our backyard,

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and our oak trees compared to the trees and having

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like little dying branches. The colors are so vibrant, right,

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And it's not like three dimensional, that's like a gazillion dimensional.

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I mean, it's just they're just they're the flowers and

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the colors. There is absolutely no way you could describe all.

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There's colors and trees and the greens and different colors

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they don't even have here that I am feeling the

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most peaceful, loving feeling. It's like a huge giant hug.

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It's like you're connected to everything and everything it's just

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fills you with love and the peace. And I found

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out what that is. In heaven, there's no sun, there's

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no night, it's just day. But there's no sun in

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this guy. You know, we always say that Jesus is

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the light. Well that's literal. He his light lights up

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all of heaven. And in his light is his law

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that carries out and comfort that just creates everything and everybody,

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and everybody's connected by that that love that just you

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just feel love. It's just like a giant hug. So

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now I'm looking at the trees and the vibrancy of it.

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But something unique about the trees and the plants in heaven.

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Every tree, every flower, every plant gives off what I

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call a little melodic tone or hum. We'll be right

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back after a word from our sponsor, and now back

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to the show. And they all combined together at singing

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praises to Jesus all day long. Now it's in the background,

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it's like a not a white noise, but I mean

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if you're stop and you could hear it, but it's there.

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There's no dead silence, but it's there, and it's continuously

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and it's the most beautiful song melodic tone that you

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ever could think of. Well, the plants and everybody are,

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which is just it was just the neatest thing, most peaceful,

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loving feeling. You're looking at you going like wow, I mean,

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you just can't believe. And it's like you don't feel

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any pain, you don't feel it. You just feel vibrant love, warmth.

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It's just incredible and the beauty of everything is unbelievable.

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Over at the outside. I was outside. I was looking

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in the inner courtyard and it's just rows of shrubbery.

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There's a rover of pure colorful river white running through

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all the way back up to what we would like

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a throne, if you would have it. And along it

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were benches with trees and flowers on the edge of

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the river and stuff. And if you ever seen these

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huge mansions that have like all the shrubbery and stuff

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in designs and everything only the most elaborate, elegant, beautiful things,

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and everything was absolutely perfect. And I remember looking over

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and I saw a figure that I recognized these and

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I look and it's in the distance and he was

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just there tending the bushes and stuff like that, you know,

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And it was my dad. My dad had died in

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nineteen ninety. He died in twenty eleven. But when I

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saw him, I recognized him as the dad of my youth.

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He was about thirty five thirty six years old, maybe

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perfect health, happy, and I remembered him from when I

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was growing up. And I'm looking and I'm like wow,

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because now the sensory overload is just I realized, I'm

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pretty sure I'm in heaven here, this is you. Know,

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but I'm still not thinking about having been Dad dying,

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and you know, there was no pain that I was

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just eve when I was down there, and I remember

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walking over approaching my dad and I walked up to

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him and I said, Dad, Now, my dad and I

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had this kind of little thing that we had when

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I was growing up. I was in the military and

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in some pretty precarious positions, and I remember I get

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shot or wounded or something. I spent three and a

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half years in Vietnam alone. But I'd come home and

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he'd say, well, you really did it now, didn't you,

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son you? And I yes, Dad, I didn't do anything,

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you know. But it was his little way of putting

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light on the situation. But it was kind of a

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little thing that we did well every time I get

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and teld me you did it now, didn't you. I

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walked up to him and I said Dad, and he

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goes yeah. He says, well, you did it now, didn't you.

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And it was kind of like his way to let

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me know, this is my dad right, And I'm going, Dad,

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I didn't do anything. I died. He says, I know,

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I know, and I said wow, And I went like,

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am I happening. He says, where do you think you are?

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And I says, I think it's happening. He goes yes.

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And we talked a little bit about, you know, things

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in the past, and I remember looking over seeing over

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in a far distance of light and a silhouette, oh man,

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which you know you have a silhouette of Jesus. When

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I'm looking at him again, I says, who's that over there?

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And he said, who do you think it? I says Jesus,

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and he goes yes as well. He says, the first

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thing you do when you're approaching me, you start with

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your right knee on the ground. Then you left me

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on the ground, and if there's a conversation to be had,

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he'll start it. And I said, okay, so we're talking

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a little bit more. And of course, my being me,

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I wanted to go me Jesus. So I started to

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walk in that fast. Just as fast as I was

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there that fast, I was back in my body. Those

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cotton picking doctors got my heart going. I went from

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total absolute ecstasy to bam right back all the pain

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and everything. And at this point, fortunately I wasn't there

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that long. But then it was almost as fast as

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I was back. I died again. This time, I didn't hover.

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I was right back in heaven again. This time I

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was standing outside of a field. The huge pasture and

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the trees, the familiar smells and the hug and the

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feeling of love was like I'm home. It was absolutely incredible.

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While what happened down there, and the reason that I

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died again was because of stress pain. I suffocated the

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first time the second time, during the time I was gone,

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they were trying to took fifteen minutes in my heart

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going again. This time, they were trying to get a

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trait down me again so I could get oxygen again,

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but they couldn't get it down in there because that

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mass had rolled over it was blocking it. So then

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they decided they had to trake me and they're doing

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CPR again because my heart stopped again. And what had

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happened was they could still couldn't get oxygen to me,

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so I continued being without oxygen. So I've already been

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without oxygen for fifteen minutes. Took him another twenty minutes

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to get anything back down in there, and the reason

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for that when they inserted the tubes, they couldn't get

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oxygen in still, and my lungs were filled with blood

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and the trait tubes got filled with blood and all

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it was doing was pumping blood oxygen in there, and

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they couldn't get any oxygen because my inside of my

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lungs had been coated with blood. They were coagulating. And

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when my heart stopped the second time and they went,

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they came out to my wife, he's gone. It's gone again.

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He's gone. He's gone. And they came out and to

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my wife and says, what do you want us to

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do when we had a living will? My wife says,

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you'd do everything you can't And they went back in

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and said his wife says, keep doing everything we can.

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So they did. They continue in that fast and on

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the back of my body, and it was not pleasant.

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I went through surgery. The doctors had no idea that

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I could feel anything. Believe in the one that God

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has said. That's God's works. All the works he has

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you do, he says, and that is through faith, and

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that not of your own. So he gives you the

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faith because you can't do anything. No works will get

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you into Heaven. It makes no difference. You have to

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do that here through the faith that he gave you,

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but those works are done without believing in him. It

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takes those works, and then once you do that belief,

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then he says everything else is not work. You can

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still go help the poor, help the needing, do this,

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do that, do good things, but you're not doing it

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out of guilt or obligation or out of trying to

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get your way into heaven. There's no works that can

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get you into heaven. That isn't the way it works.

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You have to believe, and that's able to anybody, anywhere, anytime.

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That's the big difference right there.