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<v Speaker 2>Ten and nine. First Winning one forecasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Partly cloudy, warm, humid late afternoon evening storms are expected

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<v Speaker 1>the forecast. Eighty five for the high, down to sixty

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<v Speaker 1>with the possible wind gus tornadoes and torrential downpoards eighty

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a partly clotty, dry Saturday with the highest

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<v Speaker 2>Hey thirty fifty five KRCD talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Thursday always made extra special because this is the

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<v Speaker 1>time of week when we get to talk to iHeart

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<v Speaker 1>media aviation expert Jay Rattlift, Jay Ratliff, welcome back, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Always love having you on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Highlight of my week. Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that so much, and it's not much of

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<v Speaker 1>a curveball, and I just want to talk to you briefly,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's not on your list. The jet that

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<v Speaker 1>cutter is offering President Donald Trump to serve as any

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<v Speaker 1>air force one. I think the optics of it look bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't even go down that road, was my just

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<v Speaker 1>initial reaction. The Democrats pulling their hair out, saying it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bribe or whatever. It's a violation of the law anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It just it serves to give them some talking point

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<v Speaker 1>because they literally have nothing to talk about. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just that simple, because as I've read, according to

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<v Speaker 1>three aviation experts speaking with NBC and is it would

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<v Speaker 1>cost more than a billion dollars and take years to

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<v Speaker 1>retrofit it. So this isn't exactly a great deal.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it. It is not.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, with President Trump, it's always about he

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<v Speaker 5>always gets from point A to point B. We may

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<v Speaker 5>not like how he gets there, but he doesn't. And

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<v Speaker 5>I always wonder if this, a lot like the initial

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<v Speaker 5>tariff talks, is designed for another purpose. So I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if it's hees gonna have to negotiate with Boeing

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<v Speaker 5>because all that's locked in as far as what the

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<v Speaker 5>government's paying for the next air Force one. But it's

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<v Speaker 5>been delayed, delayed, delayed, and well, I'll be interested to

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<v Speaker 5>see how far this progresses.

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe that's the point he knows about everything I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned and optics and all of that. But maybe by saying, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get a brain, I'm going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>fairly new airport right out of the gate. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be delivered. And by the way, Boeing, where's mine?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that thing's been in order for years and

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<v Speaker 1>years and it's not scheduled to be delivered until what year,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay is like twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think he'll I don't think I'll fly in

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<v Speaker 5>it as president, so he may get on it as

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<v Speaker 5>he you know, as he departs Washington, DC at the

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<v Speaker 5>end of this term. Maybe if he's lucky. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think they'll have it ready by then, because the initial

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<v Speaker 5>delivery time is one thing, but this thing's been delayed

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<v Speaker 5>so many times. I don't believe anything Boeing says. I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's gonna be delayed, should be delayed even further.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you messing with the wrong customer.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think president of the United States of America,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of what political stripe he bears, if you're just

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not delivering on something that's been ordered forever,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd think that they would allocate the necessary resources to

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<v Speaker 1>at least getting that project done and moved ahead. Just

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<v Speaker 1>because the optics are so bad, given everything else that's

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, if you're if you're gonna be late

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<v Speaker 5>delivering aircraft to Ryan Air in Europe, that may fly

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<v Speaker 5>under the radar here. Yeah, if you're going to be

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<v Speaker 5>late in delivering air Force air Force one, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 5>I think somebody's going to notice. So you're right, that

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<v Speaker 5>should be a priority.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you think the Board of Directors would recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that as a priority since it makes the news fairly regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>and now even more so. Going back to your point

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<v Speaker 1>of reason, maybe why he wants to accept the plane

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<v Speaker 1>is this elevates everybody's attention to it. And in this

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<v Speaker 1>in the context of this conversation, you know, the American

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<v Speaker 1>population might be saying, hey, why don't you buy it

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<v Speaker 1>from an American Manufacturer's like, well, we've been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do that now for the past fifteen years, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not delivering right.

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<v Speaker 5>And it also makes the people that are jump backing

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<v Speaker 5>up and down on the other side nipping at his heels, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>look even more full. It's like when Sean Duffy, the

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<v Speaker 5>Transportation Secretary, had his wife's upcoming flight adjusted, or she's

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<v Speaker 5>gonna be flying out of JFK instead of Newark because

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<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of delays.

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<v Speaker 4>He's going to a conference. He wants her to be

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<v Speaker 4>on time.

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<v Speaker 5>But the minute that happens, it's a matter of, well,

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<v Speaker 5>you did that because it's not safe to fly out

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<v Speaker 5>of Newark. Yeah, it's not safe to fly out of Newark.

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<v Speaker 5>Because what President Trump has done in the last one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred days, and of course that's ridiculous. Everybody, well most

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<v Speaker 5>everybody recognizes that, but Brian, I mean, I've been getting

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<v Speaker 5>emails from people all over the country ever since this

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<v Speaker 5>mess started saying, Jay, would you go through Newark? And

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<v Speaker 5>I said no, not if I could avoid it, And

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<v Speaker 5>so all he did was a just thing as you

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<v Speaker 5>and I would. It's a lot like, Okay, it's January,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm blind united. Am I going to connect through Chicago

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<v Speaker 5>or Houston? I think I'll choose Houston because we know

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<v Speaker 5>what happens in Chicago in the month of January. So

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<v Speaker 5>when they make these ridiculous arguments, it's like, that's really

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<v Speaker 5>what you want to jump up and down on. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the point you're going to try to make to make

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<v Speaker 5>yourself look I don't know better. Politically, it's stupidity, and

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<v Speaker 5>I I just don't get Well, I'm glad I don't

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<v Speaker 5>get it because you and I don't think that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we don't think that way.

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<v Speaker 1>We try to stay a little bit closer updated on

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<v Speaker 1>the actual realities that we're dealing with day in and

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<v Speaker 1>day out, rather than just clinging to some ridiculous SoundBite

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<v Speaker 1>that's not based on facts. Let's bring Jay Ratliffe back.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk about the outage at Newark, which seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be happening more often, plus getting parts from eBay

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<v Speaker 1>more with Jay Ratlib. After these brief words up, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can stick around fifty five KRC. I've had a number

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<v Speaker 2>of surgeries. He's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard media aviation expert. We get him every Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>between eight thirty and the close of the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's an enjoyable experience for me. I know my listeners

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy hearing from you, Jay, and maybe you can explain

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell is going on at Newark Airport. I

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<v Speaker 1>was laughing because he said would you want to would

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<v Speaker 1>you want to fly through Newark? And or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>layover in Newark? And I think my initial reaction, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of the status of the air traffic control system, will

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<v Speaker 1>be no, right out of the gate. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Newark for any reason. But most notably,

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<v Speaker 1>they have made the news regularly lately with their with

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<v Speaker 1>the outages. So what's the story behind this one, Jay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got.

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<v Speaker 5>A couple of different issues. It's a technology issue as

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<v Speaker 5>well as a staffing issue. And what we've seen in

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<v Speaker 5>the last two weeks or three occasions were the FAA

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<v Speaker 5>technology for tracking aircraft, which of course we've talked about

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<v Speaker 5>how antiquated last century plus that technology is.

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<v Speaker 4>Where we've had.

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<v Speaker 5>Three instances in two weeks. The first two were primary

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<v Speaker 5>systems that failed that actually caused the scopes, the radar

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<v Speaker 5>screens to go blank. You could not see the air

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<v Speaker 5>traffic that you were managing. You could fortunately then speak

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<v Speaker 5>to them, which was good because you could at least

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<v Speaker 5>still communicate. The second instance, that happened on Sunday morning,

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<v Speaker 5>was a backup or secondary system that failed. And that's

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<v Speaker 5>my biggest concern is like, wait a minute. Now, we've

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<v Speaker 5>got the primary and the secondary systems that are being effected.

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<v Speaker 5>And what's happening is this technology that is so old

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<v Speaker 5>it's simply just wearing down. It just cannot withstand the

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<v Speaker 5>demands that are being placed on it. So what we're

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<v Speaker 5>seeing is the same system which is used across the country.

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<v Speaker 5>I look at Newark as an indication of this is

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<v Speaker 5>just the beginning. We could see other types of situations

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<v Speaker 5>like this occur, and that is certainly something that's an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>The question I get is, Jay, does that mean it

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<v Speaker 5>is unsafe for us if we're going to be flying

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<v Speaker 5>in that part of the country. Now, the FAA is

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<v Speaker 5>doing a very good job from a traffic management standpoint,

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<v Speaker 5>where they keep the number of aircraft headed into a

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<v Speaker 5>certain region, especially that congested Northeast, limited to a certain number.

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<v Speaker 5>If they start to have issues with technology, they slow

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<v Speaker 5>that down. We have frequent ground stops in cities like Cincinnati, Columbus, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 5>anything headed towards the Northeast. If there's an issue, they'll

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<v Speaker 5>issue a ground stop and say, no, your plane can't

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<v Speaker 5>take off until this time because we're only managing a

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<v Speaker 5>certain number of aircraft in this vicinity in this timeframe.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think they do a pretty good job of

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<v Speaker 5>managing it. So it's something that their controllers do not

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<v Speaker 5>get overwhelmed with. Obviously, you want them to have the

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<v Speaker 5>technology working because look, we're forty air traffic controllers short

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<v Speaker 5>in Newark at this point in time that part of

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<v Speaker 5>the country, and what's taken place is three thousand air

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<v Speaker 5>traffic controllers short across the country. So you have air

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<v Speaker 5>traffic controllers that are working overtime because they are short staffed,

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<v Speaker 5>and you have a situation where they don't. They can't

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<v Speaker 5>count on their technology because it's failing. And you have

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of these individuals that are just saying, look,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to go get a less stressful job, like

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<v Speaker 5>you know, bomb detection or anything, because this is just

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<v Speaker 5>just We've had five of them that had to take

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<v Speaker 5>a leave of absence because of the emotional distress that

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<v Speaker 5>ninety seconds. Now, sometimes I would be like, oh, not

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<v Speaker 5>come up, but what these men and women are going through,

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<v Speaker 5>I totally understand that where they're taking a forty five

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<v Speaker 5>day leave of absence and going from there. The problem,

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<v Speaker 5>of course, Brian, is neither of those two systems are

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<v Speaker 5>two issues with the shortage of air traffic controllers or

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<v Speaker 5>technology is anything we can fix fast. In other words,

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to take years for us to get the

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<v Speaker 5>technology updated. Thank god President Trump has made this a

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<v Speaker 5>item of priority. And if we have a Manhattan Project

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<v Speaker 5>kind of approach, all hands on deck, we can knock

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<v Speaker 5>it out maybe two years. That's great staffing, It's going

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<v Speaker 5>are going to be resolved anytime soon. And when Sean

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<v Speaker 5>Duffy comes out as the Transfer taking Secretary saying that

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<v Speaker 5>century that they have to go to eBay to buy

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<v Speaker 5>the parts for the FAA, if that doesn't tell you

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<v Speaker 5>what we're up against, I don't know. That's terrifying and

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<v Speaker 5>scary at the same time, because it's one thing to

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<v Speaker 5>seventies and eighties and nineties, but to find parts on

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<v Speaker 5>eBay to do so again. Thank god President Trump's doing

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<v Speaker 5>something because all these useless people in Washington, d C,

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<v Speaker 5>on both sides of the aisle that want to use

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<v Speaker 4>A political ping pong ball.

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<v Speaker 5>Excuse me, you've been in DC for forty fifty years,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty years, twelve and you done nothing to address this

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<v Speaker 5>FAA issue, which we've known it was coming. But the

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<v Speaker 5>idea is, it's a lot easier to give money for

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<v Speaker 5>a bridge where I get my picture taken versus spending

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<v Speaker 5>it on something boring like the FAA's.

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<v Speaker 4>Upgraded computer system.

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<v Speaker 5>We've waited too long, and we're behind the eight ball,

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<v Speaker 5>and we've got to do a lot and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when you talk about getting parts off EVA, that's

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<v Speaker 1>because no one manufactures the type of equipment that these

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<v Speaker 1>jokingly reference five and a quarter floppy drives with you,

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<v Speaker 1>but that sounds to me exactly like what they're using.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's like trying to find, apart from my radio

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<v Speaker 5>Shack computer from nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Six, realistic, where's it gonna be.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, nobody's going to stock that part

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<v Speaker 5>because one person every three years is going to buy it.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what they're running into. And some people thought

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<v Speaker 5>Sean Duffy was making a joke. He's like, no, I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 5>These are the ends that we have to go to

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<v Speaker 5>to try to keep this stuff working. And I've seen

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<v Speaker 5>some of these computers that overheat frequently that are part

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<v Speaker 5>of the air traffic control system where they have to

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<v Speaker 5>open up the back panels and put fans there to

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<v Speaker 5>try to keep them cool from overheating. And I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 5>we've had air traffic controllers have to have an umbrella

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<v Speaker 5>at their desk inside the why because it leaks at

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<v Speaker 5>the ceiling. I'm trying to keep water off of my

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<v Speaker 5>computer and look at all of these different things that

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<v Speaker 5>they have to deal with. Why, oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 5>we're supposed to have fourteen people on duty, we can

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<v Speaker 5>only have three, four or five. It's just an emotional

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<v Speaker 5>mess right now with what they're going through.

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<v Speaker 4>And again.

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<v Speaker 5>The people that politically are saying, you know, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 5>has all these issues. No, We've had issues like this

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<v Speaker 5>for a number of decades, and I blame both sides

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<v Speaker 5>of the aisle because it's been a joint effort that's

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<v Speaker 5>in essence ignored what the FA has needed all these years.

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<v Speaker 5>It reminds me of let's say, Social Security and some

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<v Speaker 5>of these other things that they just don't want to touch.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, there're gonna spend more time seeing that

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<v Speaker 5>they can blame versus trying to fix the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if there were more air traffic accidents and more

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<v Speaker 1>loss of lives than it would have been elevated to

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<v Speaker 1>their attention. I think they figured, as long as it's working,

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<v Speaker 1>there are thousands of flights every single day and nothing

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So status quo is aoka and that is such.

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<v Speaker 5>A great, great point, because yes, we were enjoying the

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<v Speaker 5>safest era of commercial jet travel in as long as

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<v Speaker 5>it's working. Why invest hundreds of billions of dollars in

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<v Speaker 5>something when something's working? And that's exactly the mindset these

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<v Speaker 5>people have. The bridge hasn't collapsed, so what do we

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<v Speaker 5>need to spend money to rebuild it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yees?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, And that's why I'm glad that you're right

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<v Speaker 5>down the middle on things. You call it the way

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<v Speaker 5>you see it, because both sides of the aisle are

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<v Speaker 5>guilty in this. They should be held accountable. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's spent half the energy. Did they spend pointing

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<v Speaker 5>fingers and actually get some work done on all the

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<v Speaker 5>things are there for I'd feel so much better.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, wouldn't the world be a much better place? Jeez?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Jay, now you talk about air traffics and controllers. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if I were to go to and enroll in air

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<v Speaker 1>traffic control school, they're going to be training me on

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<v Speaker 1>how to work equipment that's fifty years old. That I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of be a fact of the current situation,

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<v Speaker 1>right yep.

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<v Speaker 5>And we only have so many we can do. We

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<v Speaker 5>can we can comfortably get fifteen hundred to two thousand

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<v Speaker 5>through at a time. Last year, the FAA had a

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<v Speaker 5>goal for the whole year of hiring fifteen hundred air

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<v Speaker 5>traffic controllers. They did that by September first. I was

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<v Speaker 5>bragging on a big time by hitting their goal. Early

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<v Speaker 5>this year, they were hoping to get two thousand hired.

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<v Speaker 5>But look, only a portion of those make it through

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<v Speaker 5>the training, and it could be three years, four years,

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<v Speaker 5>or even longer before you're final fully trained at your

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<v Speaker 5>post by yourself doing your job.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's the equivalent of getting a four year degree to college.

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<v Speaker 5>Then that's why you can't turn the spicket on and

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<v Speaker 5>affect immediate results here, because all this stuff takes time,

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<v Speaker 5>and the fa does a good job of training these people,

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<v Speaker 5>but it takes a while to get them there. So

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<v Speaker 5>that's why when you look at all of this, it's

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<v Speaker 5>like you and I are going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 5>Newark and the FAA and all this stuff a whole

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<v Speaker 5>lot more as we move forward, because we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>see other computers around the country that are going to

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<v Speaker 5>start experiencing some of these similar kinds of issues. We've

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<v Speaker 5>already seen them in the past, but this is three

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<v Speaker 5>point part of the country that's incredibly congested, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>become a major talking point for all the obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just hope it doesn't turn into a major

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a point about loss of life. Well, is

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<v Speaker 1>it real quick here on air traffic control? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>a lucrative profession? Is it something that's worth pursuing as

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, some of these people one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 4>That are working over time at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but you remember coming out of the pandemic, how

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<v Speaker 5>we had a lot of people that adjusted their entire

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<v Speaker 5>mindset on work. It was like, I'm working three jobs

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<v Speaker 5>to do this, I'm only going to work too, or

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<v Speaker 5>I'm busting my butt working two jobs quality of life's sake,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm only going to have one. We see pilots that

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<v Speaker 5>could qualify to become captains that turn it down because

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<v Speaker 5>they like the first officer. They like their seniority where

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<v Speaker 5>they can call the shots. If I get promoted and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sitting in the left seat when I'm at the

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<v Speaker 5>bottom of the list, and I can't have that much

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<v Speaker 5>control over my schedule. Yeah, I would get paid more,

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<v Speaker 5>but I control my life more in this situation. And

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<v Speaker 5>these air traffic controllers, it's the same thing when they

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<v Speaker 5>get there and they're saying, I'm going through so much

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<v Speaker 5>for this when I could be happier doing something else,

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<v Speaker 5>and all of that stuff, not all, but a great

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<v Speaker 5>deal of it is stuff that we shove on them

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<v Speaker 5>because we're giving them tools that they can't depend on,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're asking them to do the job of several

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<v Speaker 5>people because we can't keep everything staffed as we should.

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<v Speaker 5>And a lot of these people are just saying I've

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<v Speaker 5>had it in a way they go and Brian, I

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<v Speaker 5>can't blame them, because if every single day you're in

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<v Speaker 5>charge of the safeguarding the lives of people that are

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<v Speaker 5>you know that you're helping to facilitate the movement of

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<v Speaker 5>those aircraft. There's no room for margin as far as

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<v Speaker 5>for safety. You've got to jump in there and do

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<v Speaker 5>your job, and everything has to work as it's supposed to,

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<v Speaker 5>and you're worried every day is it really gonna work?

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<v Speaker 5>Am I gonna be able to get through my shift

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<v Speaker 5>without a problem? And you know that's certainly a concern.

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<v Speaker 1>Well all right, well we always part company on hub delays.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the status today for air traffic.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Minneapolis is gonna be the only problem shot,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think it's gonna be kind of a glancing blow.

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<v Speaker 5>So we might see delays at most that might approach

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<v Speaker 5>an hour, but that's pretty much Yep. We've got these

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<v Speaker 5>afternoon thunderstorms which can pop up anywhere, which goes to

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<v Speaker 5>show why Shary and I when we fly, we catch

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<v Speaker 5>the first flight out in the morning because a that's

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<v Speaker 5>the flight. Airlines concentrate on the most to get it

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<v Speaker 5>these afternoon thunderstorms that can pop up any of that where,

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<v Speaker 5>that really create a lot of afternoon messes and delays.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you've got your bags out of baggage claim,

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<v Speaker 5>you're driving to your destination long before those things hit.

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<v Speaker 5>You fly out early in the morning. I'm not telling

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<v Speaker 5>people to do that. I'm just explaining why we do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Jay, I appreciate your our conversations enlightening and

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<v Speaker 1>in today slightly scary, but got to get the info

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<v Speaker 1>out there, and and let's spread the truth about all

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<v Speaker 1>these things. I'll look forward to next Thursday and another

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<v Speaker 1>edition of this aviation segment. You have a wonderful weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend.

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<v Speaker 5>And looking forward to next week. This has got to

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<v Speaker 5>be the fastest twenty minutes of my week, to be sure,

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<v Speaker 5>it seems like six take ah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, I love it. Eight fifty one fifty five KC detalkstations.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be right back fifty five KRC. Did you hear

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<v Speaker 2>a recent stay