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Speaker 1: How did an online furniture company get wrapped up in

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child trafficking? And how are they still in business today?

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Follow me down the rabbit Hole about Wayfair. Hello, friends,

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and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm your host Danny,

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and today we were talking about Wayfair. We're also going

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to touch on Etsy towards the end of the episode

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because they're basically doing the same thing, and I thought

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it was important to include. Thank you Melissa Kenny, Dolores

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Andrew Nathan Kaysen Amber for requesting this episode. I feel

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like I get a lot of dms about this topic

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as well, so thank you. And of course, before we

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I really appreciate that. Wayfair is an American e commerce

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company that sells furniture and home goods online. The company,

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which is based in Boston, Massachusetts, was started in August

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of two thousand and two by Nearraze Shaw and Steve Conin,

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and it was originally known as CSN Stores. Both Narage

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and Steve graduated from Cornell University with a Bachelor of Science.

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Prior to starting Wayfair, they had two other companies, Simplify

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Mobile and IXL, a global consulting firm not to be

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confused with the tutoring app that you might get ads

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for in a podcast, or at least like that's where

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I hear.

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Speaker 2: Ads for IXL.

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Speaker 1: CSN started with the website Rasinstands dot com, selling media stands.

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Speaker 2: And storage furniture.

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Speaker 1: The following year two thousand and three, they added patio

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and garden goods suppliers, three online stores, and more than

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a dozen employees.

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Speaker 2: So they started with just the two of them.

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Speaker 1: By the second year, now they've got over a dozen employees.

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Of course, the expansion didn't stop. They continued expanding their

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catalog over the next years, adding home to core office, institutional,

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kitchen and dining furniture and materials, as well as bed

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and bath materials, luggage.

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Speaker 2: And lighting.

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Speaker 1: By two thousand and six, the company had one hundred

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million dollars in sales. Seeming to expand into every catalog

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they could, they set their sights on expanding to international markets.

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They started with Canada and the UK in two thousand

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and eight, and Germany in two thousand and nine. At

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the end of two thousand and nine, they launched jos

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and Maine, a member's only online store. By twenty eleven,

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CSN Stores owned over two hundred online stores. These shops

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were pretty niche in their products, which is why they

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had to buy like so many of them, shops like

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Cookwaar dot com, every Atomic clock dot Com, and strollers

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dot Com. In order to consolidate all the online stores

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in one place, they created the online store Wayfair. They

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rebranded CSN Stores to b Wayfair, and they specified quote

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a name chosen by a branding firm with no other

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meaning end quote.

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Speaker 2: I actually laughed out loud when I read.

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Speaker 1: That, like, why are they specifying this and why are

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so many people questioning the name Wayfair. Wayfair dot Com

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officially launched on September first, twenty eleven. A year later,

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they had all the other websites consolidated into Wayfair, except

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for josep Maine and all modern in August of twenty twelve,

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they launched Wayfair supply for all their government, institutional and

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business contracts. By twenty fourteen, the company was valued at

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more than two billion dollars. It was also given the

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title the largest online only retailer for home furniture in

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the US and the thirty third largest online retailer in

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the US overall. In twenty seventeen, a South Dakota lawsuit

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aimed at forcing Wayfair to collect and pay sales tax

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made it to the Supreme Court. The court held that

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states may charge tax on purchases made from out of

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state sellers even if the sellers do not have a

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physical presence in the taxing state. The next year, they

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held their first Wayday sale It's kind of like Amazon

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Prime sale Wayday. This helped to increase their sales by

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four hundred percent. They were also hiring more people. The

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problem was, according to a marketing professor at Emory University,

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the company was losing ten dollars for every new customer.

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They were forecasted to do six point six billion dollars

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in sales that year, but they had significant losses in

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the years leading up to twenty eighteen. In twenty seventeen,

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they reported a two hundred and forty five million dollar loss.

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They were prioritizing growth over profitability. With all this, they

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were approved for a thirty one point four million dollar

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tax break in December of twenty eighteen, as long as

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they hired at least three thousand more people in Boston

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and three hundred people at their call center in Pittsfield.

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Speaker 2: This tax break.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the largest ever rewarded by the state

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of Massachusetts. Twenty nineteen brought another lawsuit to the company.

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Investors sued Wayfair, claiming the company's executives misled them about

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the value and actions of the company and were losing

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the money while the top brass cashed out. These lies

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had to do with the level of demand for the

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products and how much the company was spending on advertising,

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which wasn't much up to this point. They had done

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some advertising in twenty seventeen, but they didn't spend.

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Speaker 2: A lot of money on it.

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Speaker 1: But also they have reported a strong second quarter in

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twenty eighteen and made claims that the third quarter would

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follow suit, which kind of makes sense, right, But when

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the numbers came out, they had higher losses in the

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third quarter. Than they had in the previous year. It

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doesn't help that the owners sold off thousands of their

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own shares in between the positive announcement about the second

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quarter and the negative announcement about the third quarter. Investors

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obviously felt like they were being misled, but the case

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was dismissed in twenty twenty. Apparently the investors failed to

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make adequate allegations that Narage and Steve misled investors with

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their forward looking projections before they collectively sold sixty nine

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million dollars worth of stock. That same year, twenty nineteen,

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they opened their first permanent physical storefront and made the

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Fortune five hundred list for the first time. But the

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lawsuit wasn't the end of issues. In twenty nineteen, Wayfair

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employees announced plans to walk out and protest of a

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contract the company was putting together to sell beds to

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temporary migrant detention camps in Texas. The employees demanded the

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contract to be terminated or at least for the company

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to donate all the profit from the order. They refused

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to do either, so on June twenty sixth, several hundred.

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Speaker 2: Employees walked out.

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Speaker 1: The thing that is so interesting about this is that

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it seems to be pretty politically motivated, and just two

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months after this Walkoutnarrage spoke at an event where he

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said that they hire based on talent and being non political,

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specifying that he doesn't want anybody that comes in with

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politics in the forefront of their mind.

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Speaker 2: Probably because of this walkout that had.

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Speaker 1: Just happened, The company went on to hire fifteen hundred

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more people before the year ended. However, the next year,

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before COVID even hit, so it wasn't because of COVID,

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they announced a layoff of five hundred and fifty employees,

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about three percent of their global workforce. Three hundred and

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fifty of those employees were let go from the Boston headquarters.

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Despite getting that thirty one point four million dollar tax

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break just two years prior to hire a bunch of people.

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a profitable quarter, which, like, how can you operate a

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company with zero profits? I don't really understand that, especially

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like such a large company. I guess it's not for

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me to understand. During COVID, everything was kind of quiet,

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but in twenty twenty two, the employees were notified that

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there would be a nine hundred person in layoff because

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the post pandemic growth wasn't what they had anticipated. They

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were facing losses in a stock drop of seventy percent

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from the beginning of the year through August when they

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finally made the layoff announcement. They posted a loss of

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three hundred and seventy eight million dollars in Q two

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of twenty twenty two. However, they did open another physical

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location that year as well, which you're having all these losses,

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you're about to fire a bunch of people, so put

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a bunch of money into a physical location.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna help.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, they opened yet another physical location,

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although this one was the first non outlet location. In

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twenty twenty five, in an attempt to downsize a bit,

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they withdrew from the German and Austrian markets, which caused

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seven hundred and thirty people to lose their jobs, which

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is again about three percent of their workforce. Today, Wayfair

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is still operating. They have four brands that still operate

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their own sites, all Modern, which first launched in two

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thousand and six, Birch Lane, which launched in twenty fourteen,

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Jos and Maine their second specialty retail brand that launched

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in twenty ten, and Paragold their newest brand that launched

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in twenty seventeen, and it's also known as their luxury brand.

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Normally I would go more into the history of the

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owners Nearrage Shaw and Steve Cooning, but there isn't a

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whole lot about them. They seem to have met in university.

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I'm assuming because they both went to the same university,

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they did not come from similar backgrounds prior to that.

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Nearrage has a foundation of which he is the board

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of director and his wife is the president. This foundation

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focuses on things like school food, summer meals, open and

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safe schools, pandemic food funding, wellness in schools, social media

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and mental health, women's history and research, and community support.

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Speaker 2: It seems like most of their work had to do

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with the pandemic, though.

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Speaker 1: They both are part of a startup funding company Pillar,

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who specializes in AI and tech startups, and for the

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most part, their lives are pretty private. In twenty twenty,

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rumors started circulating that Wayfair was involved in child sex trafficking.

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This is because people were noticing that some of the

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products on the site were marked up way higher than

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similar items. For example, most bookshelves are posted for less

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than five hundred dollars, most of them being less than

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two hundred dollars actually, but every now and then there

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would be one that's posted for upwards of eight thousand dollars.

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What added fuel to the fire was that the names

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of the items being sold at outrageous costs were people names.

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So I dug in because some companies do like to

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name their items people names, so that's not totally unheard of,

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except that's not the case here. In fact, the naming

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of the items on the site doesn't seem to have

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any rhyme or reason. Some of them do have human names,

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while others have Ikea type names, and still others have

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just dimensions as their names. This could be because of

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the nature of the compon company like Wayfair buying up

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a bunch of smaller companies and then consolidating them all

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into one website. So maybe and maybe they let all

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their companies keep the names of their furniture as it was.

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But it is odd because even under certain stores, the

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names don't always line up. Not all the names are

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human names. With this specific store on Wayfair, there doesn't

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seem to be any rhyme or reason as to why

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some have human names and some don't, but there does

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seem to be a lot of proof of this conspiracy.

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The overpriced items with their associated human names seemed to

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correspond to missing children. What first brought the attention was

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that they were selling what seemed to be the exact

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same storage cabinet, but with different names and at different prices.

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All the cabinets had female names, and they were priced

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between ten thousand and fifteen thousand dollars. Others started noticing

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the oddities as well, things such as ten thousand dollars

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throw pillows and sixteen thousand dollars baby photo albums. Of course,

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Wayfair came out and said it was just a glitch

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in the system and that all those products would be scrubbed.

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Others speculated that maybe they jacked up the price because

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the items were out of stock, but they didn't want

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to admit that they were out of stock, which doesn't

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make any sense to me, Like, I've never heard of

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a company doing that, And they're like, oh, we don't

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have any more of this, but if we make it

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an outrageous price, nobody's gonna buy it. I don't know

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if an item's out of stock, just like mark it

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out of stock. They tried to say, quote unquote peto

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hunters were on a rampage due to the recent allegations

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around Pizzagate and Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: But that sounds an awful lot like a cover up

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Speaker 1: It was quickly noticed that the storage cabinets that all

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looked the same, it just had different names and different prices,

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seemed to line up with missing girls. Uritza Castro went

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missing in twenty twenty. She was from Connecticut and was

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only sixteen, and there was a cabinet for sale on

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Wayfair with the name Euritza for thirteen eight hundred dollars.

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It was marked down from its original price of fifteen thousand,

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nine hundred and seventy five dollars. Annabel Wilson from Kansas

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went missing in twenty twenty at the age of four fourteen.

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Not long after, a storage cabinet named Annabel was put

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on Wayfair for ten thousand, nine hundred dollars. It was

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marked down from twelve thousand, five hundred and four dollars.

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Kyla Coleman from Ohio went missing in twenty twenty, she

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was only sixteen, and a cabinet named Kyla was being

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sold for twelve thousand, one hundred dollars, marked down from

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thirteen thousand, nine hundred and seventy nine dollars. Samaya Mumman

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was a seventeen year old girl from Columbus, Ohio that

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had gone missing in twenty nineteen, and a cabinet with

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the name Samaya was for Salem Wayfair for twelve thousand,

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nine hundred dollars. Although a video did come out with

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a girl, it went viral. Actually this girl was saying

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like I'm Samaya, I'm not missing, and actually it's starting

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to like make me mad that you all think that

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I'm missing. You're tying to this Wayfair conspiracy. I don't

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think that takes away from the other girls that are

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still missing and their names were used by Wayfair. Maybe

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this girl wasn't Samaya at all, because she did seem

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to be like the most popular cabinet that people were posting.

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They would post that cabinet and then this missing girl

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poster and that picture was of the same girl. So

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maybe that's why they're like, hey, post this picture of

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you saying that you're not missing. Whether we can believe

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it or not, I'm not sure, but that doesn't take

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away from the other people. Outside of the cabinets, there

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were throw pillows that were being sold at an outrageous

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price as well. These pillows were Zodiac sign astrological constellation

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personalized throw pillows out like their whole name. One was

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named Derrett, another was named Duplicus, and another was named Dunning.

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All of these pillows were selling for ten thousand dollars.

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Who's paying ten thousand dollars for a personalized throw pillow

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like a Zodiac sign throw pillow unless it wasn't a

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throw pillow. Because Mary Derrett from Houston, Texas went missing

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in twenty seventeen. She was only sixteen and she was

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heavily reliant on medication daily to continue her life. I

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don't know what the illness was, but she needed that

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medication tomorrow. Duplicis was a thirteen year old girl from Southfield, Michigan,

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who went missing. Tory Dunning from North Carolina was fifteen

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years old when she went missing. Their last names all

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line up with the ten thousand dollars throw pillows, and

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the other pillows didn't have these weird last name connections

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and also weren't ten thousand dollars. Ellen DeGeneres has a

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partnership with Wayfair, which I thought was very interesting. She

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has ed Ellen Degenereses. It launched in twenty fifteen, and

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all the items are inspired by her personality. Through that line,

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she was selling some pillows that were outrageously priced, just

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like the other throw pillows.

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Speaker 2: She was trying to get in on the action or something.

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And if you know.

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Speaker 1: Anything about Ellen DeGeneres, you know that she was one

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of the worst human beings on this planet. So I'll

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go ahead and cover her next week. That way we

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can just dive into how disgusting she is. But these

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were just.

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Speaker 2: Lumbar pillows, that's all.

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Speaker 1: They were called lumbar pillows and they were being sold

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for ten thousand, ninety eight dollars. They didn't have any

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name associated with them, which is different from all the

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other Wayfair items. But I don't think it takes away

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from the fact that these might be part of this

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child sex trafficking. But because they didn't have human names

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associated with these pillows, some people believe that these throw

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pillows that she was selling on her line on Wayfair

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were actually her personal pillows that they were just priced

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really high because they were used by Ellen DeGeneres. But

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if that was the case, wouldn't you advertise that, Like,

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you would just put that in the description because you

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would want people to buy them. Why else would people

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buy ten thousand dollars pillows when most of the throw

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pillows on Wayfair site are somewhere between like less than

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twenty five dollars and two hundred dollars. I didn't see

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any throw pillow that was over two hundred dollars, and

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in fact, as of today, Ellen DeGeneres doesn't have throw pillows.

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Speaker 2: On her site on Wayfair at all.

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Speaker 1: Of course, as soon as this made headlines, the pillows

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prices were changed like the next day to only ninety

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nine dollars, and they sayd that it was just an error,

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But that feels like a convenient excuse. This next story

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is a little out of our timeline, but I'm sharing

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it because of the like I think that it really

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adds credibility to this conspiracy. So, a six year old

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girl went missing in nineteen ninety four from her home

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in La California. Her name was Crystal Ann Timek. Crystal's

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cousin Kristin has never stopped looking for her. She every

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now and then will like put in the search bar

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like Crystal Ann and just see what pops up. When

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Kristin found a tall floor lamp listed under Crystal's name

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on wayfair site for eight thousand dollars, she had this

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like spark of hope that maybe it was her cousin.

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So this was actually before the Wayfair conspiracy had come out.

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She did what any family member looking for their lost

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lovel would do. She called the Center for Missing Unexploited Children,

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who basically just brushed her off and was like, that's

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just a coincidence. So then she called the FBI. The

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FBI was like, hey, let's get your information. We'll call you,

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we'll come out to you. We'll come we'll talk to you.

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And then they just never did. They never followed up

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on it. So she was like, what am I supposed

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to do? This has Crystal Anne's name and it's eight

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thousand dollars like this, it's just odd.

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Speaker 2: It was just an oddity.

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Speaker 1: So she decided she'll just buy the lamp herself. She

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logged into her Wayfair account, she clicked purchase, and when

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she went to the checkout page, it asked her to

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log in again. This happens sometimes on sites, so she

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really didn't think anything of it, So she just logged

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in again because she's gonna buy this eight thousand dollars

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lamp that has her cousin's name on it. Well, when

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she logged in again, it told her that she didn't

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have the credentials to purchase said lamp. I'm not aware

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of special credentials needed to purchase certain things on the site,

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but apparently there are some, and maybe that's how people

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like Jeffrey Epstein are able to purchase these items or children.

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In the new wave of Epstein files released, there are

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some interesting receipts. On June twenty eighth, twenty eighteen, Coriina Shulika,

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Epstein's girlfriend, maybe associate, maybe assistant.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. She's spending a lot of his money.

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Speaker 1: She paid wayfair eight four hundred and fifty three dollars.

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Does say why she paid this or what she bought.

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All we know is how much she paid that. She

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then forwarded that email onto Bella Cline, one of Epstein's accountants,

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and said, quote confirmation from PayPal for the same order

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end quote what's interesting is just a few hours after

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she made this payment to Wayfair, she canceled her billing

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agreement with Wayfair.

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Speaker 2: LLC through PayPal.

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Speaker 1: Oddly, just five days prior to this purchase, a fifteen

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year old girl from Columbus, Ohio was reported missing. Her

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name was Joanna Hernandez Pacheco and to this day she

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has not been found. And when this conspiracy was at

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its most popular, there was a Joanna WFX utility cabinet

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for sale. So WFX is the same line on Wayfair

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that was selling all the other cabinets with missing girls

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names at exuberant prices. Oh and by the way, WFX

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Utility is still selling the exact same storage cabinet on Wayfair.

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And guess how much it is? Just guess Nope, you're wrong.

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It's one hundred and forty dollars, not ten thousand dollars,

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not twelve thousand, not fifteen thousand dollars, one hundred and

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forty dollars.

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Speaker 2: You can buy this cabinet. Wayfair tried to.

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Speaker 1: Brush all this off and be like, oh, that's it's

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utility cabinet. That's just how much it is. Well, how

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come today, after inflation has hit crazy. The cabinet is

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only one hundred and forty dollars. In another instance, Karina

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tried to spend three four hundred and ten dollars on Wayfair,

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although she was trying to use a card that was

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maxed out, so the order was declined. Karina seemed to

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really like Wayfair because she also made a number of

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orders from Wayfair that seemed to be like just normal orders.

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For instance, she bought an egg poaching skillet for like

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sixty dollars, which seems to check out right. She also

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bought things to remodel a bathroom, like a sink, a faucet,

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and a light. And while all those things seemed to

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be normal purchases, it did give me pause because if

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you have as much money as Epstein did, don't you

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have people for that? An interior designer, somebody that comes

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in designs this whole new bathroom for you, then goes

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out orders all the things, acquires it, all brings it back.

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And typically, I mean, I don't know for sure, but

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when you're a millionaire, you have a lot more expensive things. Granted,

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a lot of things she was purchasing was on all

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modern and not necessarily just Wayfair I don't know. It

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was just weird to me. I'm not saying it's anything

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to look further into.

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Speaker 2: It was just odd.

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Speaker 1: Krena was also found in the Epstein files making purchases

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off of Etsy. Like her Wayfair purchases, most of them

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are seemingly normal Etsy orders. However, in December of twenty

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twenty three, a couple years after this Wayfair conspiracy was

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hitting really hard, something very similar was happening on Etsy.

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Standalone photos of pizza as well as pictures of children

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holding pizza and wings were being sold for thousands of dollars.

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In one instance, there was a picture of two pizzas

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and a cell phone with the description picture of pizza.

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Only one available for nine thousand dollars. If it really

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is just a picture of pizza, then wouldn't you be

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able to make copies like as many copies as you wanted?

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Speaker 2: Why is only one available?

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Speaker 1: In another case, there was an item that had ai

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photos of young girls holding a slice of pizza and winking.

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One of them did have her tongue out while the

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other one didn't. The description said pizza pile instant download

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encryptied and there was only one left and it was

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for sale for four thousand dollars. They specified that there

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were two JPEGs included, so it makes me wonder if

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it was maybe like child porn. These were being sold

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by the store Yummy Yum Pizza. There were others for

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sale as well. One picture of pizza was three thousand

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dollars with only one left. Several people had that in

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their carts. Another had an AI picture of a kid

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with wings winking. It also said it was for four

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thousand dollars, but it got worse because there were other

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AI looking pictures for items such as cheese Pizza with

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Pepperoni for thirty two thousand, seven hundred and ninety one dollars,

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Stars and Cheese Pizza for twenty six thousand, two hundred

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and thirty two dollars, Forever Young Pizza for twenty thousand,

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four hundred and sixty one dollars, and the once Lucky

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Pizza for nineteen thousand, six hundred seventy four dollars, all

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being sold by the store of the Ash Pizza. And

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we're all digital downloads.

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Speaker 2: What is it? Because it's definitely not a picture of pizza.

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Speaker 1: Because these were just AI pictures anybody could get on

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AI and create that you're not buying that. For twenty

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six thousand, thirty two thousand, there was another item and

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I hate to even say it like that, Like I

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don't even want to say the word item, because it's not.

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It was said to be children's overalls. That's what it's

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marketed as, and it was also marked as a rare find.

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The pictures were of a little girl. She was maybe

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one to two years old. She could walk in a

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hand knitted jumpsuit. However, the price was thirty five thousand,

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two hundred and ten dollars. I don't think that we're

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selling the overalls either way. The stores selling the pizza

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images and the overalls.

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Speaker 2: On Etsy have been shut down.

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Speaker 1: It is unclear if it was Etsy that shut them

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down or if it was the actual sellers that shut

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down their own sites. Also, on Wayfair, all of those

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weird cabinets have been taken down. They're no more weird,

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crazy expensive cabinets or throw pillows. But either way, the

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problem hasn't stopped.

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Speaker 2: It's just moved.

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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, it was Pizzagate. In twenty twenty, it

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was Wayfair. In twenty twenty three, it was Etsy. It

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doesn't stop. This isn't a right wing, left wing issue.

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There is a real pedophile issue. We should be more outraged.

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It's absolutely disgusting what they have been getting away with

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for years, and conspiracy theorists are just playing whack a mole,

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exposing it when it rears its ugly head. But we

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aren't getting to the root cause of the.

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Speaker 2: Problem, which is intentional.

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Speaker 1: And when we do try to bring it to light,

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they call us conspiracy theorists, and half the world doesn't

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even believe what we are trying to say. They just

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bury their heads in the sand. We have to stop

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burying our heads in the sand. We have to stand

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up and say enough is enough. Pam Bondi says that

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if we prosecute the whole system will collapse. Well, let

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it collapse. Then if the system is being held up

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by pedophiles that are blackmailed into compliance, let the system collapse.

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We aren't meant to be governed by career politicians anyway.

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It's time for a new system where children can actually

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be protected, not be be abused by all the people

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in their life that are supposed to be protecting them,

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be sold off to the highest bidder. We have to

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stop this nonsense. It's disgusting. It gets me so heated

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every single time, every time I cover one of these episodes,

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because I want to do something bigger about it, and

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I don't know what that thing is. And I wish

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I had the answer, because then I could tell you

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what to do too. So if you have the answer,

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let me know, please, And until next week, my friends,

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stay skeptical, and I'll see you all then. Hey, friends.

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