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Gacy Bundy, Dahmer, The Night Stalker BTK 65 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.319 every week, another fascinating author talking about the most shocking 66 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:03.599 and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with 67 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:07.080 your host, journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 68 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:17.639 Good evening. 69 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:23.319 There are murders, and there are murders. There are bodies, 70 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.039 and there are bodies, and then there's wet lies waiting 71 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:29.199 behind the front door of the little brick house with 72 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:33.319 its blind strawn and air conditioner, droning on working against 73 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:37.280 the oppressive Hunter Valley heat, A glimpse into the dark 74 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.960 cockroach corners of the soul. A lot of the blokes 75 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:43.439 at the scene that day will never be the same. 76 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.680 On February twenty nine, two thousand, Catherine Knight committed an 77 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.599 unspeakable act. A mother of four and a grandmother, she 78 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.120 seduced and then stabbed John Price thirty seven times. A 79 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:01.319 former abatar worker, she skinned him a loving partner. She 80 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.319 cooked him with vegetables, making a soup with his head 81 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:09.159 made gravy, left him on plates for his family. Why Price? 82 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.199 He was her de facto and he wanted out. 83 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:13.520 She didn't like that. 84 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.319 People said that most of the time kept Catherine Knight 85 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.959 seemed normal until she got angry. She was judged to 86 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.439 be legally sane when she committed a crime so horrible 87 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.680 that the media shied away from the detail. Journalist Peter 88 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.439 Laylor covered the trowel and wanted to know what made 89 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.720 Knight go way over the borderline. In this unflinching account, 90 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:40.720 he uncovers the lairs of her dysfunction, opening the door 91 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.839 of eighty four Saint Andrew's Street and taking us into 92 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:47.879 the lives of Knight's ex partners, her family, and the 93 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:54.800 locals of Aberdeen, North South Wales. Catherine Knight is currently 94 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.800 the only woman serving a life sentence in Australia. She 95 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:01.000 is never to be released. Bloodstained the true story of 96 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:04.439 Catherine Knight, the mother and Avatar worker who became Australia's 97 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:07.959 worst female killer, with my special guest, journalist and author 98 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:10.639 Peter Laylor. Welcome to the program, and thank you for 99 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:18.480 greeting this interview. Peter Laylor, Hi, Dan, good evening, Peter, 100 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.600 Thank you very much for joining me all the way 101 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:21.360 from Australia. 102 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.839 Thank you, thank you. 103 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.160 We have an incredible tale here and this highly anticipated 104 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.360 and somehow or other, I didn't know of this storytelling. 105 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:35.839 Recently thanks to one of the fans of true murder 106 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.759 brought to my attention this incredible story and your wonderful book. 107 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:47.920 Let's first question, what tell us the circumstances in which 108 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:52.360 you came to want to and became the author of 109 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.519 this book Bloodstain? What brought you to this story? 110 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.720 Yeah, well, I was a reluctant author. I mustered meet 111 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.040 I was a journalist at the time looking for the 112 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:07.040 newspaper in Sydney, which is known as the Daily Telegraph. 113 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:11.800 It's quite a large tabloid newspaper. I was a feature 114 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.639 writer and I was sent to Newcastle, which is a 115 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.279 town to the north of Sydney, a sort of coal 116 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:24.839 mining industrial town, to cover Cather Knight's sentencing hearing. Up 117 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:28.800 until that point, very few people knew much about this crime, 118 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:32.279 a little bit like you anyway, Because of a sort 119 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:36.879 of series of circumstances, it actually hadn't been in the media. 120 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.560 One good reason was she was charged with murder immediately 121 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:45.519 and the details were suppressed. But one of the local 122 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.480 newspapers up on the New England Highway reported some of 123 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.480 the details, and there was quite there was public outrage 124 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:54.240 that such things would be in the newspaper, and I 125 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:58.199 think that everybody got a little bit squeamish about it. 126 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.920 So I went up there covered then and seeing wrote 127 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.560 some pieces of newspaper and got a phone call from 128 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:05.800 a publishing house. He said, would you like to write 129 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.879 a book about it? My initial response was, who on 130 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.199 earth we want to read that stuff? It is just 131 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.279 so awful. They chuckled a little and said, well, you know, 132 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.680 we really want to write a book that explores Catherine's 133 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.120 life and how she got to that point. I said, 134 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:24.519 well that sounds I'll give that a shot. But here 135 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.120 we are, what fourteen years later, still talking about this book. 136 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.639 It doesn't go away absolutely. 137 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.519 Why don't you take us back as you do and 138 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:40.680 talk about a little bit about Katherine Knight and her parents, 139 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.240 Ken and Barbara. Just tell us a little bit about 140 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.560 who these people are and as we talk about and 141 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:54.040 we unfold the story of the upbringing of Katherine Knight. 142 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.079 Well, these were people from what we call it, what's 143 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.839 known as the Hunter. It's a very interesting area about 144 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:07.279 two hours drive north of Sydney. On one side of 145 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.600 the road you go off into the hills. There's beautiful wineries, estates, 146 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.680 golf courses. You know, it's the playground of the rich. 147 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.160 Australia's richest man, Kerry Packer had a polo farm up there. 148 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:22.959 But on the other side of the highway it is 149 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:29.160 coal mines, hard industry and a series of avatars up 150 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:32.000 and up and down the small towns. In the past. 151 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:36.000 Now I've got that industry has died. Catherine's parents were 152 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:42.720 from that area. They were abatar workers. They were rough people, 153 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:48.519 very rough people. Barb and Ken got together in very 154 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:53.080 interesting circumstances. She left her husband and ran away with him. 155 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:57.159 They followed work around the Abbatars up and down the highway. 156 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:02.200 Had a number of children. I think there were six children, 157 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.039 but they were spread around a little bit. She didn't 158 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.799 take her first two children with her when she hooked 159 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:10.840 up with her new husband. She had twins with him. 160 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.759 Catherine's a twin. Her sister's name is Joy. And they 161 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.720 settled into a little town called Aberdeen, which is between 162 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.720 Muscle Brook and Scone. It's pretty rough little town. Highway 163 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:25.000 runs right through the middle of it. It has two pubs. 164 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:26.840 In Australia we always call them the Top Pub and 165 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:34.519 the Bottom Pub. And they had a full and unfortunate life. 166 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:42.120 They were fringe dwellers, uneducated people, very rough people, hard 167 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:49.080 drinking people. Catherine grew up in an environment of terrible violence. 168 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.039 Sexual violence was a norm in the home. It's not 169 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:59.120 a norm, it wasn't uncommon, and she became a very 170 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:02.519 disturbed little girl. In fact, the psychiatrist think that she 171 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:09.559 possibly developed stress disorder from being sexually assaulted as a child, 172 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:10.759 and that was within the family. 173 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:17.000 When you talk about sexual violence, I want to get 174 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.720 to the uniqueness of what you're talking about after reading 175 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.200 you know, numbers of these books. We're talking about the 176 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:26.840 sexual violence. What did Catherine enjoy and the rest of 177 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.399 the family get to sea on a regular basis in 178 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:33.320 terms of the sexual promiscuity between her parents, What did 179 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.320 that encompass? 180 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:40.320 Well, it's almost impossible to believe. I still struggle to 181 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.360 deal with this, but Catherine gave this account of her 182 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.039 life and it wasn't contradicted by her siblings either. If, 183 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.679 as he did regularly, he was a man to send 184 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:58.240 his wife or he demanded it, and he would quite 185 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.759 often in front of children. In fact, on one occasion 186 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.720 I've heard about, he knocked her out and raped her 187 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:06.840 on the kitchen table with the children in the house. 188 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:14.320 So it was a level of depravity. It's hard to fathom, 189 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.399 absolutely hard to fathom, and I think that's perhaps what 190 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.000 makes Catherine and her life so fascinating. I think we 191 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.879 all of our lives thinking that, you know, most people 192 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:32.159 are relatively normal, they don't stay too far from what's acceptable. 193 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:38.200 We think that mad people commit violent crimes. We don't 194 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.039 imagine that there are lives out there like that. We 195 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.759 don't imagine what sort of a life Catherine knew as normal. 196 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:51.159 I mean that was to her what a family was. 197 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:55.039 A place where your father raped your mother, where your 198 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:02.519 step brothers sexually assaulted you as a child, she understood 199 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.960 very well. She knew very early in her life that 200 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.919 sex and violence were connected. They went hand in hand. 201 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.440 You didn't have one without the other. 202 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.799 Now, when we talk about the avatar and the kind 203 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.320 of employment that this family had, and everybody worked in 204 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.559 the night family in the Abatoar, what is it exactly 205 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.200 about the job that these people exceled at? Why was 206 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:37.000 it that this family was so noted I guess being 207 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.440 able to being able to handle this job. What was 208 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.519 it about them that made them good workers at the abatire? 209 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.960 Well, I think if I'm in India, don't you that 210 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:51.279 the low the lowest casts are the casts that work 211 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:55.679 with animals in sword houses? And I think in a 212 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:59.240 similar way he the people that end up in avatars 213 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:03.600 are pretty struggling to get a job anywhere else. There 214 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.559 was good employment in those areas, in the coal mines, 215 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:08.519 and it paid very well. But if you couldn't get 216 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:10.519 a job in a coal mine, if you didn't have 217 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:15.240 a proper education, you ended up in these places, which 218 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:20.360 are terribly brutal places. And you'll find that there are 219 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:23.519 two types of people that work in ambatwires. When you 220 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.279 talk to avertwelve workers, there are those that endure it, 221 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.799 that put up with it. It's not a pleasant environment 222 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:34.399 in any way. But then there's a very small group 223 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:40.320 of people who actually enjoy their work. They disturb everybody. 224 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.679 They are people who have an asterisk next to them, 225 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.799 and Catherine was one of these people. Katherine aspired all 226 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.799 the life to work in the Abbatwise, she wanted to 227 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.919 kill animals. She talked about nicking the veins in their 228 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.720 necks to watch them bleed out. She spoke about her 229 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:04.759 joy of removing the bones out of the flesh. She 230 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:10.279 had a perverse fascination with dying animals and with dead animals, 231 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:16.519 and with the products of dead animals. She also, unfortunately, 232 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:19.480 had a fascination with her knives. She was very skilled 233 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:24.480 with her knives. Avatar workers have very sharp, lethal knives. 234 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:28.879 Catherine loved hers. She ended up losing the job in 235 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.919 the Abatid because she got injured and she ended up 236 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:37.120 on welfare. And you can in Australia live a reasonable 237 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.919 life on welfare if you have enough children, which she manufactured. 238 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:45.480 So she was a little bit disappointed about that. But 239 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.960 the interesting thing was she kept her knives. Not only 240 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.000 did she keep her k eyes, much the horror of 241 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:55.279 her first husband, David Callett, she actually kept them above 242 00:14:55.600 --> 00:15:01.159 the bed on the wall, almost a threat to the 243 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:05.080 men that came in there. And she was a woman 244 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:10.240 of particular violence toward me, as all of her partners discovered, 245 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:12.600 and as all of her partners told me when I 246 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:13.879 was researching this book. 247 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.840 Now you, in that researching for this book, you speak 248 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.519 to many of her ex partners at great length, and 249 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.840 of course the very cooperative, you have incredible access to him. 250 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.320 So let's talk about some of her behavior leading up 251 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.279 to meeting David Kellett, and the kind of people that 252 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:39.360 she did meet and what they said about her behavior, 253 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:45.679 and at the same time, what she characterized the relationship 254 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:47.639 as in terms of the behavior. 255 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:55.759 I thought the hindsight's a wonderful thing. But there were 256 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.799 signs very early on that Catherine was going to be 257 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.360 a significant problem. She was a violent child at school, 258 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:09.240 She had violent tantrums, and when she was very young 259 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:14.279 she hooked up with David calot. He was a very 260 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:18.720 small man and she's a very big strong woman. She 261 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:20.639 could knock a man out with a punch, you know. 262 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:24.120 She was very good splitting logs with an axe. She 263 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:30.639 was an intimidating woman. David learned very early on in 264 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.200 their relationship that she had certain demands and unless they 265 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:39.159 were met, she responded with violence. Before he agreed to 266 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:43.440 marry her, it was an alcohol wedding. He was so 267 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:47.840 drunk that I think he could barely stand at the ceremony. 268 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.120 She drove him there on the back of her motorbike. 269 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.080 She actually picked him up from somewhere where he was 270 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.159 drinking and forced him to come along and marry her. 271 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:58.519 Her mother said to him, took him aside and said, 272 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.799 you need to be very very careful. Was a person 273 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:10.200 like my daughter. Never ever upset her, never or never 274 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.160 cheat on her, because she will kill you. David took 275 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.079 it in the Australa. He thought she was a bit fiery. 276 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.759 But then on the first night of their wedding, they 277 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:25.200 were very young, they were teenagers. They consummated the marriage 278 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.400 and they probably consummated and they had sex a couple 279 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.400 of times, David told me, and then he fell asleep 280 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.680 because he'd been drinking all day. And that's what me do, 281 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:38.839 isn't it. The next thing he knew, she had him 282 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.240 pinned to the bed with a knife in her hands, 283 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.240 and she was in a state of apoplexy. She was 284 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:49.400 screaming at him and she said, my mother told me 285 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:53.799 that on her wedding night they had sex seven times, 286 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.400 and she was in this state of fury because he'd 287 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.319 let her down and they'd only ever had sex twice. 288 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:02.920 And she was holding a nice to his throat and 289 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.119 he actually thought he was going to be killed on 290 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:08.240 his wedding night and not performing in bed, which almost 291 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:10.200 sounds like a black comed He doesn't it, But the 292 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.359 poor guy was scared, scared out of his wits. It 293 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:17.640 was very interesting that the former partners were keen to 294 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.680 talk to me, because these are tough guys. I mean, 295 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:26.039 we're talking coal miners, avatire workers, truck drivers, hard drinking 296 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:33.519 Australian men from small towns, poorly educated, tough blokes. But 297 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.759 when I tracked them all down, they all had stories 298 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:44.200 to tell. A terrible domestic violence perpetrated against them. Two 299 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.000 of them wept as they told me stories of what 300 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:53.200 Catherine had done to her. It's a very disconcerting experience 301 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:57.240 to sit across from a tough Aussie by crying as 302 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.559 he tells you how brutal his wife was to him. 303 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.440 I mean, it's done to a degree, it's unbelievable. It 304 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.000 doesn't add up, doesn't fit into your realm of experience. 305 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.720 And in fact, that's in many ways how she got 306 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:12.640 away with it, most of a lot, because nobody would 307 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.279 ever believe those men when they told their stories. They 308 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.160 wanted to tell their stories. They were very teen to 309 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.799 take me aside and say, look, this is what I 310 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.119 went through. And to a man, they all felt terrible 311 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:31.200 sympathy for the partner that she united, because I think 312 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.680 they all saw themselves at one time or another that 313 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:38.920 that could have been then, but they docked that bullet. 314 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:43.519 As such, let's talk about for a great example of 315 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:49.319 not only this violence exhibited towards men her boyfriends. Again 316 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:55.240 you talk about the paranoia and fear of rejection, and 317 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:59.240 of course why not they have children, and so in 318 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.440 nineteen seven six, in August, you talk about a particular incident, 319 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:08.400 very very strange. Tell us about Melissa in August in 320 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:09.440 eighteen seventy six. 321 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:16.640 Yes, well, this is David Callitt didn't heed the warning 322 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:21.720 from Catherine's mother and was having an affair with another 323 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.599 woman in town, and Catherine was starting to become aware 324 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.839 of this. David realized that the only way he was 325 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.319 going to get away with this was to leave town, 326 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:33.680 and he left town with another woman and took off 327 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:39.039 up the highway any woman. They had a young child. 328 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.480 I think Melissa wasn't even one year old at the time. 329 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.720 Catherine was distraught, as any young, sing young mother would 330 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:49.759 be in that situation. Her partner had left her and 331 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:57.000 she'd been holding the baby literally, but her response, her 332 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:02.319 response was so over the top that that detries imagination. 333 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:06.519 She went. She was seen walking down the main street 334 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:09.799 of the town with pushing the baby in the pram, 335 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:14.839 howling uncontrollably and swinging the pram from one side of 336 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:19.319 the street to the other. Everybody in Aberdeen was frightened 337 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.960 of Catherine Knight, frightened of the night, but particularly Catherine Knight, 338 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.359 and they just got out of her way and Catherine disappeared. 339 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:29.799 Nobody I don't think anyone stuck their no, isn't it 340 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.599 because I don't think anyone one of the consequences of 341 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.079 that intruding. Catherine took the baby and placed the baby 342 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.960 on the railway tracks, which it's the coal train runs 343 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:46.559 through Aberdeen and it's down a siding. Nobody goes there usually, 344 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.000 and she left and her clear intention was for the 345 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.240 baby to be run over by the cold tame. Fortunately 346 00:21:55.240 --> 00:22:00.920 for Melissa Well, two veteran who was a little bit 347 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:04.240 of a hobo lived outside the town in a makeshift shack. 348 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.759 He was wandering along the train tracks that day and 349 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.119 found a baby before the train arrived. Some people say 350 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.240 that the train was minutes away. I would they have been 351 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.480 able to confirm that, so he rescued the baby. In 352 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:23.839 the meantime, Catherine was its insane with grief and rage 353 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:27.559 and was picked up by the police and they took 354 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:33.359 her to a psychiatric institution overnight. I spoke to the 355 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.039 policeman's wife about the situation. She said she felt terribly 356 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.599 sorry for this girl, but her behavior was vile to 357 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:46.599 her language and her aggression were off the scale. Somehow, 358 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:50.400 she checked herself out of the psychiatric institution and came 359 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:55.599 back to town the following day and she resolved, which 360 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:59.359 she resolved to have a revenge on her husband, who's 361 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:05.359 left her, so she went to the local. First of all, 362 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.039 she wandered into the house of a girl she went 363 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:12.559 to school. It's with a knife. 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