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I've been you know, home for a 12 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:50.920 few weeks and that's always fun. 13 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.880 Yeah, always fun. Well, let's start it off right because 14 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.840 you know, we got to get through this intro stuff. 15 00:00:57.880 --> 00:00:58.960 It's going to be weird today. 16 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.000 I point out there's only to be sixteen more of these, right, 17 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:03.960 eventually we reach time. 18 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:08.359 We do these sort of weekly mini geek outs and 19 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.359 Rob feel free to join in anytime. All right, this 20 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:16.280 being episode twenty ten, let's talk about what happened that year. Yeah, 21 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.840 first of all, there was a terrible earthquake in Haiti 22 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:24.120 seven point zero bigin devastated Haiti, killing an estimated get this, 23 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:28.959 almost three hundred thousand people. It's crazy, and leaving more 24 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:33.599 than one point five million homeless. Just absolutely devastating. 25 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:38.040 Because there was there was a seven earthquake in christ 26 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.120 Church that same year that killed. 27 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:41.040 I think two people. 28 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:45.079 Yeah, like construction matters, although Church will go through a lot. 29 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:46.920 Chile also had an earthquake. Yeah. 30 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:49.640 Yeah, it's funny because as we're recording this in June, 31 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.239 there's just been a whole string of earthquakes around the 32 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:54.359 Pacific rim that's right, and in Venezuela. 33 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:56.760 Yeah, so Venezuela was just yesterday. 34 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:57.760 Yeah, it's crazy. 35 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:03.040 Yeah. The deep Waters an oil spill which gave dawn 36 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:05.599 dishwasher detergent a new identity. 37 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.360 I'm pretty sure that happened back in the Mesonvaldis. 38 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:11.919 But okay, oh yeah, you're right, that's right. Yeah, the 39 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:16.319 little duck on the down bottle. That was excellent Valdis. 40 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:16.680 Yeah. 41 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.560 But anyway, so this was an explosion of an offshore 42 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:20.400 drilling rig. 43 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:22.400 VP killed a bunch of people, yeah. 44 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:26.560 Eleven workers. Gulf of Mexico caused the largest marine oil 45 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.879 spill in US history. Millions of barrels because it was. 46 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.400 Running deep underwater, right, and it took a long time 47 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:34.919 to get down there and lock it down. It was 48 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:35.360 hard to do. 49 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.240 Yeah, in New Orleans, they weren't selling so many shrimp. 50 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:40.039 Let's just say that. 51 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.319 Oh, well they're still finding that. 52 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:42.599 Well. 53 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:45.039 Yeah, fifteen sixteen years later. 54 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:49.080 The Wiki leaks Document Leaks Julian Massage, of course, published 55 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:54.879 hundreds of thousands of classified US military reports and then 56 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:56.319 scooted to Russia. 57 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:58.719 Yeah, ultimately ended up in England and stayed in the 58 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:06.000 Ecuadorian a consulate for a decade. Like that's tough, but yeah. Yeah. 59 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:10.680 The Arab spring began in twenty ten. In December, Mohammed Bozazi, Yeah, 60 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:15.439 self immolated after harassment by local authorities and that started it. 61 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.599 Yeah, that was the beginning of a tremendous change. 62 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:26.319 European debt crisis intensifies Greece. Remember that Greece basically went broke. 63 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.240 This is when the challenge of the EU infrastructure really 64 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:33.759 took a hold, where Greek euros aren't the same as 65 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.919 German euros, right, and that's the reality they had to 66 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.479 contend with all byproducts of the subprime crisis. 67 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:43.960 North Korea's military aggression. They were blamed for sinking the 68 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:49.879 South Korean naval ship Chionin, killing forty six sailors. And yeah, 69 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:55.240 that wasn't good. Another natural disaster in Iceland, the volcanic eruption. 70 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.080 Yeah, you're going to say that name. Go ahead, say 71 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:01.000 that name, Carl. I'll say it's got three j's in it. 72 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:01.840 It must be easy. 73 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:09.240 I falcol something like that, something like that. I actually 74 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.919 have a bottle of the ash from that's amazing. Yeah. 75 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:16.160 I bought it at the Rekuvik airport and I brought 76 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:17.920 it home and I thought my kids would appreciate it, 77 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:23.680 and they just left it here. That what the hell, dad, whatever? Whatever, Okay, 78 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:29.839 I like it. It's on my minicle. Polish presidential plane crashed. 79 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.800 Ninety five others, including the president died when they are aircraft 80 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.920 crashed near Smolensk, Russia. 81 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:39.639 Slensk. 82 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:47.480 Yeah, Smolensk, Iran's nuclear program ambitions intensified. New sanctions were imposed. 83 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.600 We don't know how that's going to end. Nice. The 84 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:58.560 US Affordable Care Act takes effect in March, became the 85 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.439 largest overhaul of the uslthcare system in decades and dominated 86 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:06.480 American politics for years afterwards, including this day. They're still 87 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.279 fighting over it still. Yeah, and the FIFA World Cup 88 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:11.240 in South Africa. 89 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.160 Don't forget about the Winter Olympics in Vancouver. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, 90 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:18.399 and that was and that was the silver Light Olympics. 91 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.279 Our friend Scott Stanfield had the contract to do silver 92 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:23.120 Light for NBC. 93 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:28.120 Yeah, that's right. Scott basically had a streaming video platform 94 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.519 on silver Light and sold it to Major League Baseball eventually. 95 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.879 Eventually by that time he was doing it for NBC 96 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.680 and we were we were watching it, and I realized 97 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:38.519 we were talking about it as he was working on it. 98 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:40.240 He had no plans to come to the games, and like, 99 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.240 what are you doing? Yeah, get on a plane, get 100 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.079 up here. And we ended up going to a lot 101 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:44.560 of currently. 102 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:49.519 Yeah, so, oh, should I tell that story about Scott 103 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:54.040 Stanfield We had after he sold to Major League Baseball. 104 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.000 We were at an MVP summit. I think we were 105 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:03.519 at Daniel's restaurant. Michelle was there and you were there, 106 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.480 and Kelly was with me and we had to Kelly 107 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:08.519 and I had to leave early. So we offered to 108 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.279 you know, chip in and pay for stuff, right, And 109 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:15.519 he says he's drunk. He goes, you're not paying and 110 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.079 I said, come on, let's just you know, we can 111 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.639 pay our way. He goes, look, I'm really really rich 112 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:27.079 and I'm really really drunk, so fuck off or something 113 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:35.759 like that. Yeah, good on, Scott, just honorable mentions. He 114 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:41.560 attempted Times Square car bombing, record flooding in Pakistan, the 115 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:46.879 UK election resulting in the Conservative Liberal Democrat coalition government 116 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:51.279 in the end of the N one influenza pandemic. So 117 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.279 it was a disastrous year for global events except for those, 118 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.720 you know, sporting events. A right, Yeah they did, okay, Richard, 119 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.199 tell us about space tech, the spacey stuff. 120 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:03.879 There are three shuttle flights, all early in the year. 121 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:07.000 February Endeavor brings No. Three in the couple up to 122 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:11.800 the Space station, and April Discovery brings the Leonardo cargo carrier, 123 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.040 and in May Atlantis brings a Russian research module, the 124 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:20.959 Mini Research Module. And that's it for shuttles that year, amazingly, 125 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.079 and this is almost it right. Next year will bee 126 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.920 a last of the shuttle flights. Much more activity though. 127 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:32.800 In May, the Japanese Space program launches Akatsuki, which is 128 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.839 their Venus climate orbiter to Venus later that year, in December, 129 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.079 it's supposed to do a twelve minute burn to go 130 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.079 into orbit around Venus, and something goes wrong. The problem 131 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.720 is that because it's trying to go into orbit around Venus, 132 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:48.879 as the burn that starts, they can see the burn starts, 133 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.680 and then the spacecraft she goes behind Venus relative to 134 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.480 the Earth, so they have no communication with it, and 135 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:59.000 then too long goes by, and when they finally get 136 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.279 a hold of it, it's in safe mode and tumbling, 137 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:06.160 and they managed to get it, communicating with it again 138 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.199 and get it recover realized it only ran that burn 139 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:09.920 only went for three minutes, so it's not in orbit, 140 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.480 it's going to miss, it's going to fly by. It 141 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:14.319 takes them a few weeks to figure out that the 142 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.759 main engines badly damaged, that there was actually a kind 143 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:19.240 of an explosion on board. Really, what had happened was 144 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:21.160 there was a leak in the fuel system and too 145 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:22.959 much oxtars that went to the engine and burned the 146 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:26.480 engine up. This is the same thing that likely happened 147 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.720 to Mars Observer and resulted in a total loss of 148 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.959 Mars Observer a number of years before. So they got 149 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.759 lucky here here's the crazy part. They still have a 150 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.759 spacecraft and they're still trying to figure out what to 151 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:38.759 do with it. So they managed to figure out a 152 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.960 new orbit so that five years later, in twenty fifteen, 153 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.799 they'll get close enough to Venus to attempt to go 154 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.120 into orbit again, but they don't have the main engine. Also, 155 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.240 the vehicle was only supposed to survive for four years, 156 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.799 so they designed a hibernate mode for it that it 157 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.320 didn't have, upload it, shut it down for three and 158 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:01.519 a half years, and then work out all the equations 159 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.480 for using the maneuvering thrusters to actually put it into orbit. 160 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.200 Realize they're carrying too much fuel, so they turn it 161 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.799 on and dump the excess oxidizer, not going to need 162 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.080 to lower its weight enough, and in twenty fifteen managed 163 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.679 to get it into an odd elliptical orbit around Venus 164 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.240 so it can actually do its science and it'll operate 165 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.240 up there till twenty twenty four. Very cool, very cool. Indeed, 166 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.080 another amazing Japanese satellite mission, the Hyabusa, that was the 167 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:34.200 one that actually touched down on Iakawa asteroid. You've seen 168 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.639 the video of the spray of rock. Because it's like 169 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.039 most asteroids. We've now realized their rubber piles. So this 170 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:43.279 little arm touched down to grab some parts and actually 171 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.159 jammed it because there was so much debris. But they 172 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:47.840 managed to get it closed up. They got it into 173 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:51.039 its container, and in twenty ten it done the rendezvous 174 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.279 in two thousand and five. In twenty ten it actually 175 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:59.039 returns part in debris from an asteroid to Earth successfully, 176 00:09:59.279 --> 00:09:59.879 first time we ever. 177 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:00.720 Ha that wow. 178 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.279 Also in June, SpaceX launches the very first Falcon nine 179 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:09.120 with a Dragon qualification unit on board, just a test flight, 180 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.600 and that will lead to the later flight in December, 181 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.879 the second flight, what they call the Cotts demo flight. 182 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.120 Once this is doing resupply to the International Space Station. 183 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:17.919 All this one doesn't actually do resupply. It does go 184 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.000 into orbit proof as it can, does carry a few microsatellites. 185 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.679 Also a wheel of cheese because it needed some kind 186 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:27.679 of payload, so they put an entire wheel of libourriere 187 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:29.879 cheese and then brought it back. It was the first 188 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:33.840 time that a private company put something into orbit and 189 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:35.440 returned it successfully. 190 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.080 I wonder if that improved the flavor. 191 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:40.240 I don't know. It certainly photed around a little it's 192 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:45.480 a great question. Also in October, Chinese launch the Change two, 193 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.200 which goes into orbit around the Moon later that same month. 194 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.320 It'll hang out there for a year or so. In 195 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.320 twenty eleven, it will leave orbit of the Moon and 196 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.120 actually go to lagrange point two, which will make the 197 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.440 only third nation besides NASA and NISSA ever go there. 198 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.960 And then we'll fly on from there to intercept an 199 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.720 asteroid called it Tutatus in twenty twelve. Wow, that was 200 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.960 an amazing mission. And again the Chinese are quite accomplishment 201 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.480 space even by twenty ten. On the computing side, we'll 202 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:18.440 lead in February with the Windows Phone seven announcement running 203 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.960 a modified version of Civilite, and it will ship in 204 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:22.159 the US in November. 205 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.559 It's almost like a eulogy, isn't it. 206 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.080 I mean, you know, you know, the funny thing is 207 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.960 when you like to have that phone now, with the 208 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:31.840 way phones are at the moment, like I kind of 209 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:32.279 miss them. 210 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:33.639 I do too. 211 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:36.480 Also, and in March we have the Mixed twenty ten, 212 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.639 which is when we get NBC two point zero and 213 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.879 a bunch of other cool announcements. March is also when 214 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:46.039 Apple announces a thing they call the iPad a really 215 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:51.279 big iPhone and freak everybody out, which then is followed 216 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:54.600 in March by an open letter published by Steve Jobs 217 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:59.360 called thoughts on Flash. Right now, what did Steve say 218 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.000 in his Thoughts on Flash? Well, he he didn't say 219 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:04.720 was the truth, which is Flash was murdering the battery 220 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.480 of his iPad, Yeah, because that was his Flash was 221 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.240 never made for mobile devices, right, it was for PCs 222 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:11.840 and so but it was. 223 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.840 Bigger than that. It was about the security of plugins, 224 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:16.480 or the lack of security of plugins. 225 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.840 Oh, you're absolutely right. Yeah, that the real issue here. 226 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.240 And the thing I whenever I talk about this is 227 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:25.000 I do fairly often doing the history talks. We all 228 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:30.360 in you know, the two thousands. Every Christmas going to family, 229 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.960 we're replacing people's address bars because over the course of 230 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.120 the year, inevitably they downloaded something that swapped out their 231 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.320 address bar with some kind of spyware, right, And so 232 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.639 you were always fixing that because that was the nature 233 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:43.240 of plugins at the time. And so Steve wasn't wrong. 234 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.480 Plugins are a huge risk and he was going to 235 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.399 eliminate and he said, Safari's never going to run plugins 236 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:49.200 like this, is it? 237 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.559 And that was kind of a death knell for for 238 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:57.039 silver Light, but also just the lack of plugins is 239 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.200 the death knell for silver Light. You know, if you 240 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:01.720 don't silver used to plug in technology and if you 241 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.600 don't have that, you know it's well. 242 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.120 The problem, of course is that in April is also 243 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.480 the launch of Visual Studio twenty ten. I helped run 244 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:09.919 that event. 245 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:10.559 Yeah, me too. 246 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.639 And this is framework four. Oh, this is the WPF 247 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.480 version of Studio. This is the release of f sharp, 248 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.080 this is j Query and open source library bundling the box, 249 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.519 you know, with its regular license still attached to it. 250 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.279 And of course silver Light four the first version of 251 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.440 support chrome and out of browser and was pitched in 252 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:34.600 April as this is the way that enterprises do cross 253 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:35.639 platform development. 254 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.639 Internally, I believe my band played at the launch party, 255 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:42.919 yeah in Las Vegas at the Mirage when we were there. 256 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.840 Yeah, we also have Windows Azure shipped with sql Azure, 257 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.759 php support for Phpjava dot Net with webrolls and approles. 258 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.120 If you remember, most of us didn't understand it. We 259 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:54.919 were trying to do shows about it and noverybody was confused. 260 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.960 And then we fast forward to the fall till October 261 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.600 with the Larry last PDC on the campus in Redmond, 262 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.279 Rained the whole time. It's only about a thousand people 263 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:10.039 there because there's not a lot of space and exactly 264 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:15.559 no silver light sessions, which is an amazing transformation from 265 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:21.240 April six months later Microsoft Premier Conference. No civilight sessions. Now, 266 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.279 I subsequentely discovered just by asking around, like why a 267 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:25.840 there are no civil light sessions because there was no 268 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:29.039 silver light team left. They'd essentially been dismantled. A bunch 269 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.840 of them had gone over to win Phone seven, and 270 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.200 a bunch of them had gone to the new version 271 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.120 of Windows that was going to react to the iPad, 272 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:40.039 and so they didn't submit any sessions. And famously, again 273 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:44.480 we're talking about our history. Mary Joe Foley asked Bob 274 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.120 Mugli at that point, the president of Server and Tools 275 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:50.519 he owns Azure and oll of DEVNIV, why there was 276 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.279 no mention of silver light, and Bob looks vaguely confused 277 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.360 and says, well, our strategy has shifted. What Bob doesn't 278 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.679 know is that there's been no public announcements about the 279 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:03.320 impact of thoughts on flash, on silverlight and so forth, 280 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.759 because for the most at that point when the iPad 281 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.399 came out, there was a real lockdown in talking about 282 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.679 how Microsoft was going to respond to the iPad. There 283 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.679 was a lot more fear about the iPad then when 284 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.240 it was still a mythological product than the way we 285 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.960 feel about tablets today. And so you know, I've subsequently 286 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.919 interviewed Bob Mugley about this and he said, point blankly, 287 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:24.320 I didn't know. I was the first person to talk 288 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.759 about it. And to MJ's credit, all she said was 289 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:31.320 what Bob said, our strategy has shifted. Yeah, it was 290 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.000 everybody else who said silverlight is dead and Microsoft really 291 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.679 said nothing, and that upset a lot of people. Like 292 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:40.600 there's lots of folks that are still not over that. 293 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:44.080 Like that's that was a tough day and a tough 294 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:48.000 situation to be in October, when our friend Phil Hack 295 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.519 leads the project that becomes the first version of New Get. 296 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.720 All these things in the same year, and then in 297 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.600 November the Xbox Connect not the same thing at all, 298 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.360 and I'll mention too other products. Then we wrap this up. 299 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:05.279 Instagram ships this year, Kevin Seistrom and Micah Krieger, and 300 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:07.000 also Facebook Messenger. 301 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:10.679 I have some things to add because twenty ten marked 302 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:15.519 the beginning of the streaming era in audio, streaming subscriptions 303 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:20.000 became commercially viable. Spotify established the business model that most 304 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:24.519 competitors would follow. Pandora familiarized millions of listeners with streaming. 305 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.960 Smartphones made streaming convenient enough for mainstream adoption, and the 306 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:33.200 music industry began shifting away from ownership towards access. And 307 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.039 this also kind of is a death noell for musicians 308 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:39.320 and recording artists. 309 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:40.279 It's the final straw. 310 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:42.480 It was the Yeah, it was the beginning of the 311 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.679 end for the for the music business as far as 312 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.240 artists being compensated for their work goes were. You know, 313 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:56.679 record sales continued, you know, digital downloads continued, but really 314 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:01.360 people stopped buying CDs and map and it was all 315 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:04.079 about the MP three and your stream and all of 316 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:08.880 that kind of stuff. Download still dominated revenue, but streaming 317 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.759 was started on his way, on its way. So twenty 318 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:16.079 ten marks the the end of the music business as we. 319 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.319 Know it, well, at least the beginning of the end anyway, 320 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.039 the beginning of the end. Right, So there you go. Okay, 321 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.359 so I guess we should get onto better no framework awesome, 322 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:36.680 So our friend Simon Kropi, Simon, you're us. He's the 323 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.839 guy who said, you guys should get Rob Menching back 324 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:43.319 for you know, a one year update on open source monetization, 325 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.359 and we said sure, so that's why he's here. But 326 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.920 he also says, hey, have you seen geo convert And 327 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:54.720 I said, no, what's g convert? Geoconvert maps between gjson, topo, 328 00:17:54.880 --> 00:18:01.640 json flat, g O buff kml, kmz, gpx, wkt, wkb CSV, 329 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:09.839 and gopark mousc entirely in your browser. So all of 330 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.160 the formats for geographical data. 331 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:16.599 Yeah, okay, yeah, all in the browser. So you basically 332 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:18.680 choose a map file, upload. 333 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.839 It, boom convert, and then you can dump it back 334 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:24.160 out in whatever other format I want it. Yeah, that's magic, 335 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:26.200 of course it is. It's awesome. 336 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:28.960 Yeah, Richard, who's talking to us today? 337 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.319 Gret A comments off a show nineteen forty eight, that's 338 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:35.119 one where we talked about this open source maintenance fee 339 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:38.039 with some Rob guy. And there's a lot of comments 340 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:40.400 on the show, honestly, and Rob responded to most of them. 341 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.319 Thank you, Rob. That was very kind of you because 342 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:45.440 people are clearly excited and interested, and I think this 343 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.000 recap's a really good idea, but here's one we didn't 344 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:49.839 get a response to, and I thought we might take 345 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.599 it on a little bit. Chris blithe and get asking 346 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:54.519 this about a year ago. I just listened to the show. 347 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.880 The one thing I don't understand and we'd love to 348 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:59.279 hear Robs feel on it. What would be stopping a 349 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.279 big organization just automatically building your open source repo on 350 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.599 their build server and pushing their art effects to their 351 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.359 internal feed and therefore you get all the project management 352 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.480 stuff and security updates, but just not ready to go binary. 353 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.559 Let's be honest, setting up an automate build is pretty 354 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:15.160 low in terms of effort and would be you know, 355 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.319 fit in the short term bracket or is there some 356 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.000 secret way for maintainers to stop that from happening. I 357 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.640 don't think there's any way to stop that from happening, 358 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.039 and I think that's the way most organizations actually do 359 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:26.000 things by design. 360 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.599 No, I don't know that many organizations do that, but 361 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.920 it absolutely is by design that they can't. 362 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:33.519 Yeah. 363 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.480 Yeah, I mean I've seen both things where your build 364 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.160 process actually goes and fetches the bit from the open 365 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.039 source repository and continues on. I've also seen versions where 366 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.640 they maintain a local repository and decide when to push 367 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.559 new versions in and everybody builds off of that. But 368 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:51.319 I don't think that takes anything away from the open 369 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:52.839 source maintainer or the project. 370 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:53.119 No. 371 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.519 His point is, I bet you can do this under 372 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.680 two hours, right, and take care of it. And that 373 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.440 two hours is two hours per year is the cost. 374 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.519 We're talking costs the maintenance feedback then, and that's that's 375 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:10.079 two hours per year. And depending on the project and 376 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.359 what you have to do and what you have to 377 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.759 keep up on, it might be two hours, it might 378 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:18.079 be more than that, but it's absolutely more mind to 379 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:22.400 share that you have absorbed into the company, right, and 380 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:27.000 we'll talk about it. But most people don't think that 381 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:29.599 way about the open source projects, which is why the 382 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:31.720 open source maintenance fee is working. 383 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:34.039 Yeah, so's. 384 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.000 Talk about because it's it's but he's right, he's absolutely right. 385 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:44.440 You could absolutely do all that. That's by design. That's 386 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.359 fantastic because the idea is then hey, you're in the code, 387 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:49.920 you're helping, you're being in there. There's more people then 388 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.119 that are working at that level. Fantastic, You're maintaining the 389 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.599 source code. There you go. Good job, but it's not 390 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:56.160 very common. 391 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:58.200 Awesome, So Chris, thank you so much for comment in 392 00:20:58.240 --> 00:20:59.400 a copy of music co buy. It is on its 393 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:00.519 way to you. And if you like a copy of 394 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:02.079 music cob buy, I write a comment on the website 395 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:03.880 at dot NetRocks dot com or on the facebooks. 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