WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.200 She's such a beautiful shade of blue. I'm gonna call 2 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:06.799 you blue Well at the whale. 3 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:13.679 Check it out world's biggest, aren't it far? You just 4 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:48.039 made above wading four finger discount dude. 5 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:35.799 Welcome to four figure discoup where this week we're going 6 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:39.280 to be squirting a whale Hondano. I didn't realize we're 7 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:41.320 going to be doing that this episode. Okay, but I'm 8 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:43.560 ill prepared. But I'm guy, yes quite in the whale. 9 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.000 We I've already actually reviewed this one with Mitch many 10 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:48.840 moons ago. Someone paid one hundred dollars for us to 11 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:52.560 specifically review this one, really, and I remember liking it 12 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:54.280 a lot more when we did it back to then 13 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:57.799 this one here, I want to review it now. Maybe 14 00:00:57.840 --> 00:00:59.600 it's because we've been doing a lot more season twenty 15 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.039 one episod. I'm seeing more trends of things that I 16 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:05.640 don't like, in particular characters and sort of plot points 17 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:07.920 and beats and whatnot. I saw a lot of that 18 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:09.719 in here as well. There was a lot to enjoy 19 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:11.680 in this story, but also a lot of it when 20 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:14.000 I just went why are we doing this? As well? 21 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:17.439 Just sort of pick a lane and say in it, well, yeah. 22 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.920 I mean this does feel like, oh, we had two 23 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.000 ideas for episodes, but we couldn't quite flesh them both out. 24 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.560 So let's take let's go so far with one and 25 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.359 then let's move on to the other one with the 26 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:30.400 two stories for you then, so it's like, okay, well, 27 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.599 energy costs too much, let's get off grid. How can 28 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.599 we do that. Let's get a wind turbine comic Shenannigans 29 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.719 ensue there's too much wind. Ah, Okay. Then it does 30 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:41.400 happen a lot in the Simpsons, though, where they have 31 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.480 just a bunch of shit happens in the first act 32 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:45.200 that leads to the main story. But you really didn't 33 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.040 really feel like an inciting incident. It felt more like 34 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:50.000 an It felt four than and insight. I don't like 35 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:52.840 it when they waste too much time on that setup career. 36 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.040 Go ah, so that's not the that's what this is 37 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.439 going to be about. Okay, Yeah, that's what you That's 38 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.760 what you got the feeling the episode was going to 39 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:03.519 be about. It's like, yeah, an energy centered episode. I 40 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.079 always lost a living kind of stif I go back 41 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:08.400 to the Tremopoline episode where you know, a good the 42 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:10.199 first third of the episode is home of getting this 43 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:12.960 trampoline and turn into a theme park and kids get 44 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:14.840 injured and blah blah blah, and that all leads to 45 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:16.879 the self help guru voiced by other books coming to 46 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:19.319 spring But it's like, ah, so all that has nothing 47 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.039 to really do in the episode. Yeah, I'm gonna have 48 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.360 to revisit that episode, which is one of my favorites. 49 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.599 But yeah, the whole trampoline bit with felt like really 50 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:30.479 two or three scene, No, it goes it's the entire 51 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:33.159 first act. Really, Yeah, that's theeropoline and yeah, and then 52 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.560 he gets it and people get injured and all that 53 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.280 kind of stuff that feels like, yeah, it's like maybe 54 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:41.080 five minutes of the episode or something like that. I 55 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:44.280 don't know, maybe they have been the act of seven minutes. Okay, 56 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:49.120 time has no meaning anymore. Yeah, but then there's a storm, 57 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.120 Whaler's beached itself and yeah, the rest of the episode 58 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.319 is just that and Least's reaction to it, and I 59 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:57.879 guess the community is reaction to it as well. The 60 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:03.360 Springfield community is reaction to it. Yeah, I felt odd. 61 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.759 I feel like this could have been almost like a 62 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:08.759 mini movie plot just if handled correctly. If it was 63 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:11.479 just focusing on the whale because to feel like there's 64 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.199 a lot of things I needed to explore there that 65 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.000 they didn't have real time too, because I don't think 66 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.879 we really had enough time to be emotionally connected to 67 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:22.199 this whale. No, And that's the thing I mean thinking 68 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.280 about this episode and thinking about this particular sort of 69 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:28.840 plot line about the whale beaching itself, and it seems 70 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:31.960 like the community comes together in some way. The first 71 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:34.919 tenet of reviewing is review what it is, not what 72 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.439 it's not. But I was looking at going, well, here's 73 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:38.759 how I would have done it, or here's how this 74 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.919 could have been better. You have it about Oh this 75 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.120 terrible thing. Here's a whale, one of God's wonderful creatures. 76 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.039 It beats itself. This is really sad phenomenon. Oh you know, 77 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.759 we're all all the community rallies behind it. Got to 78 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:53.360 get it back in the ocean, all this kind of stuff. 79 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.199 But then once it's like no one seems to care. 80 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.599 Yeah yeah, but it's this is kind of a lost cause. 81 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.360 And then everyone's like, Okay, well back to our normal lives. 82 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:02.759 And Liasa is the one who can't let it go 83 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.960 because Lisa is very sensitive. It's like, I think you 84 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.280 could do a whole episode around this. I think it 85 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.520 would be not a very special episode in quote marks, 86 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.039 but it would be like one that has more heart 87 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:18.160 than laughs. And it's an opportunity for again for Lisa 88 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.560 and Homer to kind of bond because you know, he 89 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:23.160 doesn't always get it right, but he recognizes how important 90 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.000 this is to her and how much how deeply it's 91 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:26.839 affecting her, and he wants to help in any way 92 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.399 he can, but his time, so he fucks up. They 93 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.639 sort of do that, but they don't really do it 94 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.959 all that well if you ask me, because we've reached 95 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:37.839 the stage of the game we're in season twenty one. 96 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.120 Homer's not being sort of a well meaning clot He's 97 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.680 just being a fucking dummy. Yeah, and that same with 98 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.319 a Bart character as well, well yeah, yeah, and yeah, 99 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:52.000 and Bart's being just not a brat but a capital 100 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.560 Letter's brats and kind of yeah, a little psycho and 101 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.240 all this kind of stuff. And I think, as I'm saying, 102 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.680 I think I like this more because we will in 103 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.399 midst like season nine or ten or whatever. When we 104 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:04.199 were reviewing this one originally, I think because I'm seeing 105 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.560 Bart so often lately and homos so often lately being 106 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.040 this dummy, and Bart feeling like he's pointless, and see 107 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.600 me in here, I'm like this shit again, where it 108 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.360 wouldn't have felt as wrong when I only saw it 109 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:16.800 just once. It's like, oh, I'm not being beaten over 110 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.360 the head with it. Yeah, And I mean I think 111 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:22.720 there's the potential in there for a harsh but valuable 112 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:27.519 lesson in that this was tragic, but life kind of 113 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:29.879 has to go on, you know, and some people just 114 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.319 can't let it go and that really sort of lingers 115 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.199 with them in this case with Lisa, and what do 116 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:37.319 they call it blueller the way, Well, yeah, I was 117 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.120 annoyed that no one really besides Homer like comforted Lisa 118 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.600 in the loss of the whale, like bar should have gone, ah, yeah, 119 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.600 I made fun of Lisa. I probably should say sorry. 120 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:48.600 And I know there's not really much humor in there, 121 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.800 but you can find humans in it, oh absolutely, But 122 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.160 it just felt like there wasn't they expected us to 123 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:55.959 feel this emotional connection to this whale. Now this I 124 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.399 actually really liked when she died and you can't hear 125 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.360 Lisa cross, She's just you can see that she's sobbing, 126 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.639 and it's the pan wide shot, right, But then it 127 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.279 just cuts them just we're gonna blow her up and 128 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:08.800 we're gonna turn her into corsets. And it's like, okay, 129 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.160 but this all right? Now apparently the blowing up the 130 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.720 whale is based on a real incident. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 131 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.879 but I don't know. It's terrible being sort of a 132 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.879 Monday morning quarterback here. It's like, but there must have 133 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.399 been better ways to fold all this into into the story. 134 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.439 I mean, I'm just going from that principle of like, yes, 135 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.079 here's a tragedy that affects the whole community, but one 136 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.639 person feels it deeper than everybody else. And yeah, and 137 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.600 it gives father and daughter an opportunity to sort of bond. 138 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:39.199 It just feels like you kind of fumble. You're so close, 139 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.000 but you find kind of fumbling in a lot of way. 140 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.399 They're trying to go for that real emotional endyway. She's like, 141 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:45.360 thanks for not letting me give up, Dad, And I 142 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:50.000 was like, yeah, this really wasn't earned, no, b Yeah, 143 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.000 you've got a wave just conventos up. I've got a 144 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.199 boat that I've borrowed from the boat shop. Hey, let's 145 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:56.399 go stop these sharks. Oh shit, I've fallen in the water. 146 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:01.199 Now hey fuck those hippies. I don't know, but just 147 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.920 the whole. So it cust to Lisa and she's and 148 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.120 she is sitting in what would have been where the 149 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:09.120 whale was sitting right, just the whole there in the end, 150 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:10.959 I'm like, where's the whale gun? They didn't blow the 151 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.519 whole corpse up. They blow a chunk of it off well, 152 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:14.879 so they were able to move the corps where but 153 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:17.279 they couldn't move it away when it was alive. Yeah, 154 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.399 maybe you've got to break it down into Pattie Wheat 155 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:22.759 and elvint one pace of a time maybe, But yeah, 156 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.879 what are your thoughts on the design of the whale? 157 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.040 It didn't look like a Simpsons character. It looked No, 158 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.959 it looks pretty sort of not photorealistic, but different animation, 159 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:34.240 didn't it. The Simpsons characters look like Simpsons characters. They 160 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.279 don't necessarily look like people. Yeah, whereas this whale was like, 161 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:42.240 go like a whale. I just think the whole opening 162 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.480 act it should have been an episode in itself. Right, 163 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.519 talking about very alternative energy, I think they referred to 164 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:49.079 it right. I mean, this is kind of the episode 165 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.680 where you get al Gore in or something to provide 166 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.839 the message. Yeah, but you know, generally is like we're 167 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:58.360 trying Sola, We're trying wind. You know, mister Burns is 168 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.480 trying to sabotage everyone. He makes a little cameo appearance 169 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.800 at the but I want to touch on that, and 170 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:08.519 that annoyed me. It annoyed me. But that story, so 171 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:10.399 the whole point it was it gets that. It was 172 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:12.959 to get to the fact that there's a storm and 173 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.040 a whale is beach as a result. Right, you didn't 174 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.160 need any of anything that came beforehand. It was just 175 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.519 wasn't not just Bart saying hey God, oh Homer, I'll 176 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:21.759 make a deal with your order one of the kids. 177 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:23.000 I think it was Bart because he's on top of 178 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.959 the windmills, I make a deal with you or whatever, 179 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.279 and God creates a storm and I'm like, wait, what non, 180 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:30.279 Why did we have to go through all this to 181 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:32.399 get to that? I think the episode should have started 182 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.360 with them like, you know, a packed beach. It's a 183 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.639 summer day and everyone's like having a great time, and 184 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.440 then something happens is like, oh, irony massive storm. Now 185 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:42.679 ruined there somebody. Everyone run runs away and they come 186 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:45.120 back the next day. Oh, it's nice mother again. Let's 187 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:46.480 go back to the beach and there's a whale there. 188 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:49.200 That's it. Yeah, And you have some people are like, 189 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:50.639 oh my god, this is terrible and something, Ah, you're 190 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.720 ruined my good beach day or something like that. Yeah, 191 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:54.480 and I have people saying and then listening, No, this 192 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:56.360 is not the whale's fault. It's the storm's fault. We 193 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:57.919 had to help this scene. They're like oh. And then 194 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.960 that's when the towns people work together and they realize 195 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:02.039 or we can't. We're trying, we're trying, we're trying. And 196 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.480 then he has like Professor Frank or someone who's intelligent, go, 197 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.159 you do realize that the chances of this things are 198 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.399 very grim. And everyone's like, oh well, boys, let's go 199 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.240 back to mos and a list you can't give up. 200 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:13.399 And Homer's like torns, like come on home. It's kind 201 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.919 of mos. He's like sees Lisa and he's like, I'm 202 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.960 gonna stay with my little girl. There's your story. It's 203 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.240 all there. It's all there. But the mister Burns sing, 204 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:25.120 why annoy me? Right? Why'd annoy it? So if this 205 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.320 was season we can't compare it. It's not season five, 206 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.879 seasons six, Simpsons season twenty one. But why would Burns 207 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:33.279 be at this convention? The mister Burns that we grew 208 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.240 up with be at this convention doing a silent, peaceful 209 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.399 protest by himself. There's being a lot of protest being 210 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.879 and kind of ineffectual, making no difference for the sake 211 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.799 of a sign. Gag, Right, It just this screams to 212 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.840 me like a writer's room, knowing no one in the 213 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:53.399 room either saying, haven't thet gus to say? But why 214 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.679 would Burns be there? Or maybe it's just the case 215 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:01.159 of who cares? Who cares? Because mister Burns, the character 216 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.879 who know on love would be either you know, trying 217 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:06.360 to using his power and he's money to shut this 218 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:09.840 thing down the whole not sitting there walking buses with 219 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.639 the little sign. It's like, that's not mister Burns. Yeah, 220 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.039 that's not what mister Burns would do. Yeah, if you're 221 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.679 gonna have whipping Smither's holding it or something, that's what 222 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.080 I was, or have him like on a big screen 223 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.600 or something. You know, he's like a board all the 224 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.759 airtime to say keep poisoning the earth, make me money 225 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.320 something like that, but just walk him. I was like, 226 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:30.879 just the sign sign, No, it should have been the 227 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.440 sign herself was funny, but mister Burns doing this stupid Yeah, 228 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:35.120 it should have been Smither's yeah. And the other thing 229 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.279 that kind of was it was the writer. It's almost 230 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.639 acknowledging that they've ruined this character. Season twenty one, the 231 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.639 Ned Flannder's character is ruined, ruined in my opinion. Howso 232 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:50.159 well they have him pull out the power the fans 233 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:53.039 right from the Simpsons. They say your fan pair club 234 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:54.559 has been shut down, and I was like, you can't 235 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.840 do that, and then he's like, you used to be nicer. 236 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:59.159 It's like, yeah, he did used to be nice. And 237 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.200 that was the whole point of the car Do you 238 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.879 felt sympathetic towards because you were a jerk? And Flanders 239 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.559 always would give in and go okay. He used to 240 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.159 come out and say, how would he really to use 241 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.639 all those fans, shut up flanners, whatever, and that was 242 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.000 the joke. Now Flanders sticks up for himself and it's 243 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:14.279 like it's not funny anymore. It's kind of like when 244 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.919 a fat comedian loses all their weight. You're not funny anymore. 245 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.240 You were funny because you were fat, you know, like 246 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:23.559 you were funny because you were a simpy. You're funny. 247 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.639 You were funny because you were not pathetic, but you 248 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.000 were just so nice to people. And I get their 249 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.360 characters need to evolve, but they don't actually evolve, many 250 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.519 of the characters and the simps, because they are stereotypes 251 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:36.360 and they are there for a specific reason. Well that's 252 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.759 the thing. I mean, we all enjoyed when Smithers, you know, 253 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.679 when Smithers failed, you know, and he oh no, when 254 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.600 they when they built him his house and it was 255 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:48.639 ship that was Hurricane Eddy. Yeah, Smither's flanners, yeah yeah, 256 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.679 and he has the tirade. Yeah, sorry, didn't say Smithers. 257 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.039 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and he goes right, I can't 258 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.519 Levin got in tangents. But yeah, why is the episodes 259 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.080 so great because it runs counter to h to what 260 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:03.960 Flanders used to be yet or he normally was. Yeah, 261 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.000 you make you a really good point about these characters. 262 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.879 You're betraying what they used to be, what they brought 263 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.720 to the table, they brought to the show. I put 264 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.360 the death of the Flanders character. You can pinpoint the 265 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:19.480 second when it happens was the death of mord Flanders. Okay, 266 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.799 it was good for a I'm sure publicity stunt. It 267 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:26.279 was their way of getting back at Maggie Roswell because 268 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.360 she didn't she wanted to pay increase, or she wanted 269 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:29.600 to be able to voice from home, or there was 270 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:31.960 some specific reason a contract dispute, and they're like, well, 271 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.320 she's not coming back, let's kill off one of her characters. 272 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.240 We'll get we'll get, we'll get a rating out of it, right, 273 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:38.919 And it made for an interesting story for the Flanders 274 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:40.960 character at that time. You know, oh, he's going to 275 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.600 be single now, blah blah blah. But it feels like 276 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.519 going forward, they just didn't know what to do with 277 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.200 the Flanners character anymo, because he couldn't go back to 278 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:49.960 being the Flanners he was anymore because he's had such 279 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.159 a such a terrible incident in his life and it 280 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.320 quick questioned his faith and all this other, all these 281 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.399 other things. It was a fun episode to dove into 282 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.240 who he is his faith in the way he questioned 283 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:04.559 it in that episode, But going forward, he's not. He 284 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:07.000 sticks up for himself now, and that's good. Right, it's 285 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.399 good he sticks up for himself. But from a comedy perspective, 286 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.919 it kind of sucks. How is any of this funny? Well, 287 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:15.759 this is the accentainly wasn't the fan club blame was? 288 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.519 But so when Homer says, used to be nice, and 289 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.600 I was like, that was the point of the character, 290 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.919 and you've stripped that away? Yeah, I didn't see when 291 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.679 that line was uttered. I'm like, this is all you're 292 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:31.200 coming up with. That's not it's just you acknowledging as 293 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.600 a writer. I am this character used to be better, 294 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.360 used to be better. The Flanners character is done. There's 295 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:40.080 no point to him. Now what is the point of 296 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.960 the Flanders character? Now we'll keep we'll keep an eye 297 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.000 open and see what happens in future episodes. But yeah, 298 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:46.840 based on this episode, it's like, I can't recall the 299 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.399 last one had a good Flander story, nor do I. 300 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:51.639 And it takes me back to when we spoke to 301 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.799 Harry Shier and he says, I realized Simpsons wasn't the 302 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.279 Simpsons anymore. I can't remember what it was specifically, but 303 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.960 it was a Flanders line and he goes, I said, 304 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:05.080 they gained me the script and I'm reading the script, 305 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.639 and Harry said. I said to him, Flanners wouldn't say this, 306 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.399 and they said, it doesn't matter, it's just just read it, 307 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.440 and he goes. I realized they were no longer writing 308 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:16.519 jokes for the characters. They were writing jokes and just 309 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.639 assigning into a character. Even that's when I was like, 310 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.679 this isn't the Simpsons anymore. Sucks to hear that, but 311 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:24.240 it's true though, when you've gone through, when you go 312 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.600 through chronological order and you start seeing the deterioration of 313 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.960 these characters. Harry was he not to right in the head. 314 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.519 These jokes don't aren't written for specific characters anymore. It's 315 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:34.720 just let's just write jokes and go, oh, you haven't 316 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:36.600 had Flanders for a while, throwing him in there doing it. 317 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:38.639 There's not a bit in here that annoyed me as well. 318 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.399 Oh my gosh. Okay, So they're having a debate, we 319 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.799 need to find the town's smartest men, right, and they're 320 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.759 doing the tug of war with their heads, and Lisa says, 321 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.039 I'm not really sure any of these people down there 322 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:55.399 can be considered smart. My doctor Hibbitt's there, Who is there? 323 00:14:55.960 --> 00:15:02.240 Principal Skinner is there? What are we doing these ones? 324 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:06.200 These were ones the boss, the most intelligent people in Springfield, 325 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.919 and they're they're fucking They're demoted the point of their 326 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.639 having tuger war with the likes of Lenny and Carl 327 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.720 and Homer with their heads. We're sacrificing, you know, character 328 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:19.799 integrity for the sake of a shitty one side gag, 329 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.799 side gag and Lisa's I don't think what do you? 330 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:24.879 Lisa is no longer thinks are poop smart? And the 331 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.200 only thinks doctor doctor Hibbert is not? So he's doctor Nick? 332 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.200 Now is he? Just? Why couldn't Why could that not 333 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:32.720 have been doctor Nick? Well? Why not say? This doesn't 334 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:36.000 strike me as very smart as opposed to Yeah, yeah, 335 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.159 the situations at the end of your d could be 336 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.519 sid as smart. It's like Poo's probably the smartest guy 337 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.879 on Springfield. You would think so, right, A lot wrong 338 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.080 with this episode. It's just little things that shouldn't mean 339 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.960 so much. But as a lifelong Simpsons van, you watch 340 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.399 this and you go, why have all in this rega? Yeah, 341 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.080 because this episode could have been could have been so 342 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:00.360 much more heart When you're critiquing it, get there's a 343 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.720 difference between just watching something and being entertained and critiquing it. 344 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:06.200 And if you want to critique this man, there was 345 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.159 a lot to have about it. I just have to 346 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:09.600 get off my chest. I was just annoyed by it. 347 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:14.000 I'm glad you did. You did my favorite. Do you 348 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.440 have any favorite moments in the episode. I would probably 349 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.279 watch Tic Tac toe X the O Okay, yeah, I 350 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:23.120 would probably pay money for it. No, All my time 351 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.919 is Mexican prison movie idea has some good points. It 352 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.240 feels it feels like a nineteen ninety seven action for 353 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:35.600 cool and flu. You'd have them what's the dude, Danny? Yeah, 354 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.440 in there, get the villaing of throw a few bucks 355 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.720 down his way. He'd be just at it, just about anything. 356 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:43.799 I like how I get a bit of you'd appreciate 357 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.799 this at least watching House. Yes, yes, I have now 358 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.679 the house formula. Did you see the tweet? Yeah, Hugh, 359 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.519 Laura is getting getting a bit stucky. He admittedly had 360 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.240 a couple of lies. Yeah when he wrote that, but 361 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:57.919 it was just we tried getting it right the first time. 362 00:16:57.919 --> 00:16:59.440 In the MBN said we didn't like it. As it 363 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.080 was finishing sixth minutes and I'm like, I get that, 364 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.359 but like more people need to understand. What I quickly 365 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.359 gathered was this show is not a bin show. It's 366 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.079 a you watch it once a week, you carry on 367 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:10.440 with your life, you come back to it, your you 368 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.279 like this formula. But watching his formula back to back 369 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.559 to back becomes my numbing Oh god. Yeah, I've said 370 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.640 this more than months in this podcast that my relationship 371 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.680 is a very MUCHO sentence. My relationship to Gilmore girls 372 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.200 change forever. When I watched a whole bunch of episodes 373 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.759 back to back, it's like, oh my goodness. Oh it 374 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.400 sucks when you can see the formula like you see 375 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.759 also but boom, Yeah it's our rhythm and pacing is 376 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:37.960 this way, this way, this way, or you know. I 377 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:40.119 had a weekend was like, you know, it's good those 378 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.799 Borne moves, Jason Bourne. I'm gonna watch the like, oh 379 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.759 these are all the same movie. Yeah, it's just fine. Yeah, 380 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.759 they go back to back to back. You're like, ah, yeah, 381 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.279 it's like I'm born out. Yeah a little bit. Yeah, 382 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.039 damn shame. I Nicol and I now have a game. 383 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.440 We watched Lauren Order and we're watching like there it's 384 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.279 called Laura Order twenty one. I don't real had a 385 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:03.039 ten year holiday. You know this? This so Lauren Order. Right. 386 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.680 The original Law and Order started in nineteen ninety, but 387 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:09.160 then it was like they started doing the whole Digwolf universe, 388 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.200 so it was like Laura SVU. We watched it and 389 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.960 I was like, previously on Laura Order. I'm like, what 390 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:15.160 what do you mean. It's like you have to watch 391 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:17.720 this Law and Order specific episode to know it was going. 392 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.880 You're talking about the more recent ones like laur and 393 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.079 Order Organized Crime. I no, no, no, no, So they do 394 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.000 do that with organized crime, but this one specifically was 395 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:26.640 a Lauren Order episode, right, Yeah, And what happened was 396 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.079 in like twenty eleven, Law and Order stopped the original 397 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.519 show and it returned in twenty twenty one as Law 398 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.559 and Order twenty one. Wow, it's so bizarre. That's because yeah, 399 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.200 the original stop, but SBU kept going. Yeah, so season 400 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:44.519 twenty stopped in like twenty ten or whatever. So then 401 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:46.400