Speaker 1: Ah, somebody give me a doctor. Make sure they're from
Speaker 1: Reclaim Wellness Group. That's where I'm going to for all
Speaker 1: of my many, many issues as I bring in Jessica.
Speaker 1: Also doctor street Russell my doctor. Oh, I'm sorry. Here
Speaker 1: you go, doctor, Yes, what's up? Good to be here again, Jessica.
Speaker 1: How you doing Okay? The reason we got you on
Speaker 1: today is because it is OCD Awareness Month and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking OCD at buy me the hour. We
Speaker 1: might even take your phone calls. So if you follow
Speaker 1: the show, you know that recently I was diagnosed PTSD
Speaker 1: severe depression and if you call, you only have to
Speaker 1: call once. Hey, by the way, I've got OCD as well,
Speaker 1: so I can make the OCD jokes. I was putting
Speaker 1: out signs for my wife yesterday, Dave, and she was like,
Speaker 1: why do you take us so long on each sign?
Speaker 1: I said, listen, if I get this wrong, you going
Speaker 1: to lose the OCD vote. They all have to be
Speaker 1: but serious business. O c D is Uh. It's a
Speaker 1: pain in the rear, and I have it. I'm getting
Speaker 1: evaluated right now. I'm guessing the reason we waited to
Speaker 1: the last for OCD for the last because I had
Speaker 1: more issues, more severe issues to deal with. But we're
Speaker 1: at the point now where we're dealing with that. I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of o c D that I didn't
Speaker 1: I wasn't even aware until we started with this. You know,
Speaker 1: stop on each shoe. If you ever see me out,
Speaker 1: you'll notice the tops of my shoes are filthy dirty.
Speaker 1: Except for now. Look at that, doctor Street Russell look good.
Speaker 1: But here's one thing I didn't realize when getting through
Speaker 1: this OCD treatment. And I talked Dave, I was telling, uh,
Speaker 1: doctor Russell, look, there's certain things around the house I've
Speaker 1: got to do. We have these We have these coffee
Speaker 1: pods in a coffee pod storage facility in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: The top two rows are mine and the bottom five
Speaker 1: rows or whatever it might be, is all Susan's coffee pods. Now,
Speaker 1: when she replaces my coffee pods, if I fail to
Speaker 1: do it, they're all just turned different ways because she
Speaker 1: just sticks them in there. And I feel compelled to
Speaker 1: make sure that they're all straightened out. And I say, so,
Speaker 1: what's the deal. I've got to straighten that out. But
Speaker 1: yet my bathroom is just a mess. Neatness isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: OCD or is it? No?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily. I mean your OCD is often quite picky
Speaker 2: about the different things that that it will, you know,
Speaker 2: to make you preoccupied for. But so in this case,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, your coffee pods they need to be
Speaker 2: facing a certain way, and you know, meanwhile, the you know,
Speaker 2: you might be leaving your shoes and your socks everywhere
Speaker 2: and your bathroom's messed up. You know, it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that that everywhere else in your life you're nice and
Speaker 2: neat and exact.
Speaker 1: So why should one more question on that? Because I
Speaker 1: don't know how o CD developed, and I'm guessing I
Speaker 1: did something once and decided, hey, man, you might be
Speaker 1: a superstition. I don't know. All I know is I
Speaker 1: have it. I didn't know I had it, so I
Speaker 1: started going, uh to therapy. I take that back. I
Speaker 1: knew I had a little bit. I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was at this measure though. But my point is Susan
Speaker 1: was started to turn the coffee pods to make sure
Speaker 1: they're all straight that way, and I said, look, don't
Speaker 1: do that. I lead that up to me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll do it or not do it? Could could could
Speaker 1: her doing that? Lead her down to a road of OCD.
Speaker 1: Is that just ridiculous, thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not for her, but it's certainly not helping
Speaker 2: your your o c D because the thing that keeps
Speaker 2: it going in the first place is the compulsive behavior.
Speaker 2: And oftentimes family members will it feels like they're supporting there,
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're loved one with OCD by you know,
Speaker 2: by doing all the little things that that would you know,
Speaker 2: make them feel uncomfortable. And when really all along it's
Speaker 2: it's it's not helping, and in fact, it could be
Speaker 2: making it a little bit worse.
Speaker 1: So I want to come back to you in just
Speaker 1: a second and talk about one of the most I
Speaker 1: guess one of the highest rated OCD movements. We'll just
Speaker 1: say that things that people do out there, and of
Speaker 1: course I did is I turned to Jessica. Jessica, why
Speaker 1: an OCD Awareness Month in the first place?
Speaker 3: To be.
Speaker 4: To be honest, the OCD has been historically just very
Speaker 4: under research and not really caught. It takes on average,
Speaker 4: when I say, the last time I looked it up,
Speaker 4: like ten plus years to be diagnosed with OCD and
Speaker 4: then seek treatment. And part of that is not a
Speaker 4: whole lot of people know exactly what it is. We
Speaker 4: think of stereotypical behaviors like neatness or cleanliness, but then
Speaker 4: the taboo thoughts or thoughts about harm or religious socid
Speaker 4: kind of gets lost because they're not exactly sure, or
Speaker 4: the general public sees things that are portrayed in the
Speaker 4: media that are really stereotypical.
Speaker 1: Doctor Street Russell, we were going through many, many, many, Well,
Speaker 1: what do I call them quirks? The OCD behavior that
Speaker 1: I exhibit on a daily basis, and there's many of them.
Speaker 1: What would I call it quirks or I don't want
Speaker 1: to mislabel something.
Speaker 2: Well, if it's the thought, like, if it's the fear,
Speaker 2: then you would call that your obsession. Okay, if it's
Speaker 2: the behaviors, then those are your compulsions.
Speaker 1: What are the compulsions that I do on a daily basis?
Speaker 1: And you said, you know what, that's one of the
Speaker 1: highest ranking ones there is is in the morning, I've
Speaker 1: got to put my towel exactly the same way on
Speaker 1: the towel rack, and I said, I feel like an
Speaker 1: end and goes no, no, no. That's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest ones. That's a lot of people. I mean, is
Speaker 1: that a is that the most common one or what?
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's the most it made I think
Speaker 2: it's it's close up to the top of the list.
Speaker 2: And but most people when they tell us that one,
Speaker 2: they think that, man, wait just wait until they hear
Speaker 2: this one. And this is really gonna be a you know,
Speaker 2: a ton different than than what they're used to hearing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, fixing the towel just right on the uh,
Speaker 2: you know, on in the bathroom, that tends to be
Speaker 2: one that we hear of a lot. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of folks who who turned the car around pretty frequently
Speaker 2: to go and check to see if they, you know,
Speaker 2: hit pedestrians or if they had caused an accident. Uh
Speaker 2: and so, but we hear, we hear quite a few.
Speaker 2: It's certainly more than than what's uh what's often conveyed
Speaker 2: in movies, like you know, like hand washing or straightening
Speaker 2: up a you know, a pillow on the sofa. Those
Speaker 2: we don't hear quite as as frequently.
Speaker 1: Uh five seven eighty four eighty four. If you'd like
Speaker 1: to ask a question five seven one eighty four eighty
Speaker 1: four as we're talking O c D. I've been diagnosed
Speaker 1: with it. What wasn't really a shock. I think the
Speaker 1: level that I had is a shock. I kind of
Speaker 1: had a feeling I might have been there. But it's
Speaker 1: been confirmed and I've got many of them, and we've
Speaker 1: just started working through this, so I'm in the infancy
Speaker 1: of my treatment, but I'm telling you it's starting to work.
Speaker 1: What other forms of OCD are there out there, because
Speaker 1: you know mine is repetition, almost ritualistic. But what other
Speaker 1: forms are if someone does something they might not know
Speaker 1: that they have OCD.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I'll share what what tend to
Speaker 2: be the you know, maybe the top five or six
Speaker 2: different what we call subtypes of OCD. Most people have
Speaker 2: heard of the contamination type or like the germ type
Speaker 2: of OCD. That one's up there. But what we would
Speaker 2: call like harm related OCD is is really close to
Speaker 2: being the top one or two. And so that could
Speaker 2: be you know, harmed or fear that you might harm yourself,
Speaker 2: or the fear that you might harm other people because
Speaker 2: you're not careful enough. I know Jessica mentioned those religious
Speaker 2: types of fears and obsessions or existential obsessions. There are
Speaker 2: also identity fears, relationship obsessions, sexual obsessions, and really the
Speaker 2: list could go on and on and on. I think
Speaker 2: so far, I mean, we've established at least greater than
Speaker 2: thirty to forty research subtypes of OCD, But you don't
Speaker 2: tend to hear, you know, more about the ones that
Speaker 2: really go beyond contamination and straightening things.
Speaker 1: Up Again, if you have a question five seven one
Speaker 1: eighty four eighty four five seven one eighty four eighty
Speaker 1: four A lot of people and you hear those quite often,
Speaker 1: you know, those straighten to pure or they'll do whatever
Speaker 1: it might be, and they'll say, oh, that's my OCD.
Speaker 1: Is it frustrating for patients to hear that, because there's
Speaker 1: a difference between O c D and just liking things neat?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most people use it like it's an adjective,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, I'm so O c D, you
Speaker 2: know about you know, this thing or that thing. And
Speaker 2: for folks who actually have it, yeah, it's pretty frustrating
Speaker 2: for them to hear. They're they're already worried that that
Speaker 2: that people might even find out about their their their thoughts.
Speaker 2: Many of the thoughts are quite strange, some of them
Speaker 2: could be pretty dark, and so they just don't share them.
Speaker 2: With other people. But yeah, most people don't like to
Speaker 2: hear that that, you know, those common expressions of like yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm so OCD about this or that it contributes to
Speaker 2: the stigma that that there is about OCD.
Speaker 1: If you have a question five seven one, eighty four,
Speaker 1: eighty four, as we go to Barbara, Barbara, you're on
Speaker 1: with Jessica and straight, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: We got you? Barbara?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: Good? Yeah, I have concerns about myself. When I park
Speaker 3: my car, I'm always afraid that I have left the
Speaker 3: lights on it even though I turned the switch off.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wonder if I did the automatic thing
Speaker 3: or what, And so I know it looks weird, but
Speaker 3: I got to go check, especially if I'm going to
Speaker 3: be gone for a while and I got to go
Speaker 3: make sure the lights are off because I don't want
Speaker 3: my battery to run down and I don't want to
Speaker 3: be stuck. Is that O c D?
Speaker 2: So it absolutely could be. The One of the important
Speaker 2: things that you're that you're pointing out there is that
Speaker 2: you know, logically in your mind, it's like you might
Speaker 2: have remembered or even you know, you might recall that
Speaker 2: you did you know, turn the lights off? You know,
Speaker 2: this is something that you've done for probably a very
Speaker 2: long time. But with with O c D, it's not
Speaker 2: necessarily about what's logical. It's it's often that we fear
Speaker 2: what what's at least possible. And so it is possible
Speaker 2: that someone left their lights on, and it's also possible
Speaker 2: that the energy from their their battery starts to run
Speaker 2: out because of it. And so now again the trick
Speaker 2: is is to is to then try and and and
Speaker 2: you know, and it's gonna be different for each person,
Speaker 2: but do your best to you know, uh, check the
Speaker 2: what we would call just the the typical amount of times,
Speaker 2: which is usually once, walk away from it, and then
Speaker 2: as that uncertainty starts to set in, let yourself know
Speaker 2: that that's okay, it's okay to have that uncertainty. It's
Speaker 2: okay to you know that that that maybe sometimes you
Speaker 2: leave it on, but perhaps the majority of the time
Speaker 2: you're you're you're turning it off.
Speaker 1: Barbarie, have you ever tried to just check it once
Speaker 1: and then walk away? Does it drive you uh a bit?
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, I can check it once and walk away. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, sometimes it's like it's daylight because I
Speaker 3: drive with my lights on all the time because I'm
Speaker 3: just I just do that. But it's like it's it's daylight.
Speaker 3: Then I'm thinking, was that the sun hitting at or
Speaker 3: was the light one? So I just I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: I know this looks weird, but I don't want to
Speaker 3: get stuck somewhere because I don't have a battery charger
Speaker 3: in my vehicle or whatever, and so I just, you know,
Speaker 3: I want to just be pre cautious, I think logically,
Speaker 3: because you know, I'm on my own, I'm a I'm
Speaker 3: a widow, and I don't want to get stuck somewhere.
Speaker 3: So that that to me, is like the ultimate because
Speaker 3: then that could lead further, you know, And I know
Speaker 3: that's panicking a little bit. And you know, sometimes my
Speaker 3: kids say, oh, because I panic over storms too. I mean,
Speaker 3: I had a hurricane. I mean, not a hurricane. I
Speaker 3: had a tornado go over my house. And you know,
Speaker 3: I hate thunderstorms and stuff like that. But you know,
Speaker 3: to me, that's logical. So when I know that tornadoes
Speaker 3: are coming, I learned everyone and they're like, I think
Speaker 3: they're probably tired of hearing my weather forecast. You know so,
Speaker 3: but you know, but I'm probably still going to do
Speaker 3: it because you know, some people younger, I'm generalizing that
Speaker 3: they just don't listen to the weather. And then I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, this could be bad. Okay, there's like tornado.
Speaker 3: Like the last time tornados came through Louisville, I was
Speaker 3: out of the I was out of the state, and
Speaker 3: I've got a notice on my phone that there were
Speaker 3: tornado warnings in Louisville And I had to call my
Speaker 3: kids and say, do you hear the sireens? And they're like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's just me and my
Speaker 3: personal you know, relationships with people that they don't pay attention,
Speaker 3: and I maybe they count on me to do it,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, please pay attention.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for the call of Barbara, And if you
Speaker 1: have a call, if you want to find out if
Speaker 1: you have those well not can't get diagnosed over the air,
Speaker 1: but if you have a question about OCD, maybe for
Speaker 1: you or family member five seven one eighty four eighty
Speaker 1: four five seven one eighty four eighty four Doctor Street
Speaker 1: Russell I started with a reclaim because of severe depression
Speaker 1: and PTSD. The therapy has been quite wonderful for me,
Speaker 1: I'll say that. But one thing I learned is it's
Speaker 1: not going to get rid of depression. It's not going
Speaker 1: to get rid of anxiety, it's not going to get
Speaker 1: rid of the PTSD. But it is going to make
Speaker 1: it more manageable. And that's what I'm dealing with right now.
Speaker 1: And I've exhibited some days that didn't go as well
Speaker 1: as but it's been fewer and far between, and I've
Speaker 1: learned that I'm gonna have to deal with this, but
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with it in a much easier way. How
Speaker 1: about OCD? Is this something Am I ever getting rid
Speaker 1: of this? Or is it just something like the depression?
Speaker 1: Like the PTSD, it's going to be more manageable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's similar to that. In the OCD is still
Speaker 2: considered a chronic condition. That doesn't mean that the severity
Speaker 2: of the disorder is always going to be you know,
Speaker 2: moderate to extreme. If if you're able to get the
Speaker 2: correct form treat of treatment for it, then you can
Speaker 2: reasonably expect to uh to you know, reach more of
Speaker 2: those mild levels of severity and UH and that that
Speaker 2: tends to be quite durable, that that that should hold
Speaker 2: up for for quite a while. This is not intended
Speaker 2: to be uh necessarily like a long term type of therapy.
Speaker 2: We we teach you several skills, ways to think of
Speaker 2: the O C D, and then you know, we we
Speaker 2: let people get back to living their lives and uh,
Speaker 2: they can come back if they ever need, you know,
Speaker 2: any any tune ups or check ups.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, things get rough.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Bob Bob you're on uh with Jessica
Speaker 1: and doctor Street Russell. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to give him on a couple of
Speaker 5: little quirks. I'm all about symmetry, m h. Things. Things
Speaker 5: have to be balanced. I mean, if I'm looking at
Speaker 5: a wall and there's three things on one sorry, three
Speaker 5: things on the other side, if the pictures have to
Speaker 5: be arranged, I mean, I'm all about balance and equal
Speaker 5: distances between objects and that sort of thing and this
Speaker 5: and And'll show you a stupid example. I happened to
Speaker 5: be I happened to walk by a TV that had
Speaker 5: the Lawrence Welk Show on, and it had these singers
Speaker 5: lined up on the stage and there were there were
Speaker 5: six women on one side and seven men and seven
Speaker 5: men on the other side, and it it bothered me.
Speaker 5: They weren't balanced, you know. So I understand. I know
Speaker 5: what hotly need, but I don't consider it a problem.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of a neatness thing, really, But
Speaker 5: but I do have those students and the towel thing
Speaker 5: you talked about. Oh, I'm the worst. My wife will
Speaker 5: hang her towel up and I'll hang out up and
Speaker 5: I'll straighten her.
Speaker 1: Tower up.
Speaker 6: Right right right.
Speaker 5: But I'm with you, guys man, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Hey tell you from the bar, thinking for the call, Bob.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, there you go again. Uh doctor Street Russell.
Speaker 1: Uh that that's something where you had to get evaluated.
Speaker 1: I guess because or is it symmetry? How would you
Speaker 1: can't diagnose over the air? But if you were a
Speaker 1: betting man.
Speaker 2: If I'm a betting man, yeah, I because I could
Speaker 2: get my license taken away. But I no, I but
Speaker 2: I mean just just hearing Bob's you know, his his
Speaker 2: description of what what he was experiencing. And and it's
Speaker 2: funny that as I was listening to him, Dwight, I
Speaker 2: thought of I mean, even for you when you talked
Speaker 2: about the scuff marks on the tops of your shoes.
Speaker 2: It's like you had to even that up. It's not
Speaker 2: that you could just do it on the right side.
Speaker 2: It's like you had to go to the left as well.
Speaker 2: And that's what we call those becose evening up compulsions. Now, again,
Speaker 2: that alone does not mean that that's some might have
Speaker 2: OCD or that Bob has o c D. It just
Speaker 2: means that, yeah, there's this preoccupation with things not being
Speaker 2: even doubt unfortunately. Yeah, Lawrence, uh, Lawrence Welk became the
Speaker 2: ultimate OCD agitator with the dancers.
Speaker 1: And it is having a sense of humor about it
Speaker 1: a good thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 5: Day.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we actually think that it is a
Speaker 2: critical component of the treatment. And I mean, after all,
Speaker 2: it's I mean, we're we're exploring, exploring these areas of
Speaker 2: the mind that are are so outrageous and absurd. I mean,
Speaker 2: you even heard what what Bob said. He said, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna you know, I'm gonna tell you the stupid thing
Speaker 2: you know that I do. I think I think most
Speaker 2: people look at it that way. It's it's that wow,
Speaker 2: I cannot believe that my mind is doing this right.
Speaker 2: And and so yeah, it's like let's bring it up.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it more often than not. We're going
Speaker 2: to have a good laugh and and we're gonna teach
Speaker 2: you how to how to respond to it.
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Speaker 1: Wellness Group as we talk OCD. If you have a
Speaker 1: question five seven one eighty four eighty four News Radio
Speaker 1: eight forty wh as, could you play a song that's
Speaker 1: a little bit more symmetrical than that for me? Because
Speaker 1: it's about as symmetric as the kids. There's Radio eight
Speaker 1: forty WHS. That's Dave Jennings. Where is it? What song
Speaker 1: is it? Doctor? Doctor?
Speaker 6: Oh Thompson twins but hey, but they're not really twins.
Speaker 1: Dwight, Okay, too far. Man's only atleast there's only two
Speaker 1: of them, and not three of them. There's four. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's four entire well good at least it's not five
Speaker 1: of them. News Radio eight forty w h a s.
Speaker 1: We have Reclaim Wellness Group in the studio. That's where
Speaker 1: I went for severe I got. I went for depression
Speaker 1: and got diagnosed with severe depression and PTSD. So you
Speaker 1: got bonus stuff. I got bonus, that's right, and I
Speaker 1: found out I had OCD on top of it. I
Speaker 1: always thought I had a little bit of it. Man,
Speaker 1: it's uh it's a lot of bit as Welcome back, Jessica,
Speaker 1: and also doctor Street Russell my therapist. Uh OCD. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously it can cause anxiety, but has there ever been
Speaker 1: a case where or does it get so drastic that
Speaker 1: people can't even leave the house, Because you know, obviously
Speaker 1: I'm not that way. I'm functioning with plenty of flaws,
Speaker 1: but I could see where this would be so severe
Speaker 1: that it would make them buy agoraphobe, it could not
Speaker 1: be able to leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it happens quite frequently. And obviously, if you know,
Speaker 2: if you're out there and you're struggling with anxiety or OCD,
Speaker 2: you don't want to you don't want to let it
Speaker 2: get to that point. But still plenty of people out
Speaker 2: there who uh you know, who were afraid to leave
Speaker 2: the house for any number of different reasons or obsessions.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we do see people quite frequently who maybe
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's the first time that they've been
Speaker 2: out of the house since uh, you know, for the
Speaker 2: past few years, or or that currently they might only
Speaker 2: agree to see us online and then we're then working
Speaker 2: with them to get out of the house to come
Speaker 2: see us.
Speaker 1: Jessica, I drink three things. I drink water, I drink
Speaker 1: black coffee, and I drink tequila and that's it. But
Speaker 1: at one point, Dave Jennings and Tony Than they would
Speaker 1: make fun of me because what I would I would
Speaker 1: drink caffeine free diet pepsi and they would say, who drink?
Speaker 1: But that was my preference. That's the only soda I
Speaker 1: would drink. Drive me nuts if I couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: Is there a obviously there's a difference, But what's the
Speaker 1: distinction between preference over o CD.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of different differences. Like we're a better word.
Speaker 4: So for a preference, it's something obviously that we really
Speaker 4: want or that would not necessarily agitate us to the
Speaker 4: in degree or send us into a full on anxiety spiral.
Speaker 4: O CD is much more rigid. There's no breaking away
Speaker 4: from that routine or there's no breaking of that. There's
Speaker 4: some flexibility with the preference. So for example, might have
Speaker 4: a preference to wash my hands after I use the
Speaker 4: bathroom pretty much every time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's I'm going to start doing that, I
Speaker 1: think seriously, I think that's catching on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, you might have a preference to
Speaker 4: wash your hands after use the bathroom for the most part,
Speaker 4: but there are some instances that would warrant you not
Speaker 4: to wash your hands. For example, if he goes to
Speaker 4: a public restroom and you don't have soap, then you're
Speaker 4: just kind of like, you gotta do what you gotta
Speaker 4: do and you gotta get out. That might send someone
Speaker 4: into like a really high anxiety state if that were
Speaker 4: to be something that their OCD focuses on.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. And again to my point, I walk around with
Speaker 1: a bottle of ninety proof alcohol and in the winner
Speaker 1: talk that yeah, we talk about that, but listen. One
Speaker 1: of the things that's been helpful for me is dealing
Speaker 1: with OCD is living in the what is instead of
Speaker 1: the what if? Meaning you know, uh, but that that
Speaker 1: was quite helpful. But I also want to ask, is
Speaker 1: o c D a symptom of a depression or is
Speaker 1: depression a symptom of OCD.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's common to Uh, I would say
Speaker 2: that it's more common for someone to have o c D.
Speaker 2: First that if if they have what we would call
Speaker 2: comorbid depression or that just means co occurring depression, and
Speaker 2: often that depression is than what we would call secondary.
Speaker 1: To the OCD. So you know, if if.
Speaker 2: An individual is unable to to complete their compulsions or
Speaker 2: they're unsatisfied or dissatisfied with uh with you know, the
Speaker 2: extent which they did something, maybe they didn't feel just
Speaker 2: right enough after they they they did a series of
Speaker 2: rituals or compulsions. Then uh, then maybe it gets them down.
Speaker 2: Maybe they've been isolating for a while, maybe they're staying
Speaker 2: at home and not getting out to see people, and
Speaker 2: so uh then that you know, it's we would full
Speaker 2: on expect them to start to develop some symptoms of
Speaker 2: depression and then that could get a lot worse to
Speaker 2: where you know, you know, you're meeting now full diagnostic
Speaker 2: criteria for having a depressive episode.
Speaker 1: Obviously I suffer from OCD. Can you explain to what
Speaker 1: is over the wet if? Sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that most people struggling with O
Speaker 2: c D the uh these obsessive thoughts, these these disruptive
Speaker 2: and intrusive thoughts that that cause this distress. It's getting
Speaker 2: them locked into possibilities or this even this fear of uncertainty.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like the brain is tugging at
Speaker 2: them asking this what if question? And they're uh trying
Speaker 2: desperately to answer it or to resolve it in some way.
Speaker 2: And and again, like I said before, it's that compulsion
Speaker 2: or it's that ritual that that drives the disorder. And
Speaker 2: so one of the things that we try to focus
Speaker 2: on early on in the in the treatment is to
Speaker 2: train people to learn how to be in what's real
Speaker 2: right now. And so we call that the what is,
Speaker 2: and so we we trade in, uh, the the what
Speaker 2: if for the what is.
Speaker 1: One last question, I'll cut you guys loose. Obviously, you're
Speaker 1: experiencing OCD, you're training on OCD. Somebody's going out there
Speaker 1: and they might just pick any therapist. What should people
Speaker 1: look for in a therapist if they think they have OCD?
Speaker 1: Is there specific OCD therapists out there? You're one, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jessica.
Speaker 4: You would want to make sure that they're using evidence
Speaker 4: based treatments. So for OCD specifically, that is exposure and
Speaker 4: responds prevention therapy or ritual prevention therapy. So even if
Speaker 4: they put you know, the used cognitive behavioral therapy which
Speaker 4: ERP is part of that, or is the type of that,
Speaker 4: but it's very specific and it works differently.
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Speaker 1: hit you with some birthdays here my friend? Okay, make
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Speaker 6: Can't promise that it might be an even number here though.
Speaker 6: Scott Bachilo used to be in Quantum Leap. That's right,
Speaker 6: Star Trek Enterprise, murp.
Speaker 1: Take a guess. I'm trying to think. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: sixty two. He's seventy. Oh wow, guy's a vamparks. It
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Speaker 6: Zachary ty Bryan, who is the oldest kid in Home
Speaker 6: Improvement with Tim Allen.
Speaker 1: He is gonna be God, it's a tough one. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be forty two, forty three. He not bad. What's
Speaker 1: on that one?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: John O'Hurley, no idea. He was in Seinfeld. He was
Speaker 6: the host of Family Feed. He's the white haired guy.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's a Jay Peterman. That's it. Ja Peterman is
Speaker 1: gonna be seventy two, even seventy what Scott Back you love?
Speaker 1: How about that? Tony Shaloub. Tony Saluba's maky is another
Speaker 1: guy that suffers from OCD like me. And Tony Shalub
Speaker 1: is going to.
Speaker 6: Be sixty eight, seventy one, dude, Lee, Robert Woohl, he's
Speaker 6: one of those guys w U h L. He was
Speaker 6: in Good Morning Vietnam and Batman. See his face and
Speaker 6: you'll go, oh, yeah, yeah, I know him.
Speaker 1: I don't like him because he's always trying to pull
Speaker 1: the wool over my eyes. Wait, I'm gonna put a dollar.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'll put put a dollar in. Robert wall
Speaker 1: is going to be uh.
Speaker 6: Sixty nine, dude, seventy three gone. I know played one
Speaker 6: of his songs earlier or did I? Actually I had
Speaker 6: one queued up but didn't play it. Jackson Brown, Jackson
Speaker 6: Brown's gonna be seventy seven. Inducted into the Rock and
Speaker 6: Roll Hall of Fame back in four. He's seventy six.
Speaker 6: I was close Sean Lennon, who shares a birthday with
Speaker 6: his father, Believe it or not, Oh really, yes, hey,
Speaker 6: Sean Lennon.
Speaker 1: Sean Lennon is gonna be He's gonna be fifty fifty two,
Speaker 1: forty nine. Oh. I think he got his mom's voice,
Speaker 1: didn't he? I think so. Julian Lennon the Saturday a
Speaker 1: dead ringer for him, Yes, he was.
Speaker 6: I would have loved to have seen the three Living
Speaker 6: Beatles when we had them and Crown Julian Lennon. Wouldn't
Speaker 6: that all all terrific? I missed opportunity. John Entwis sol
Speaker 6: The Who's late bass player John ed Wessel voted number
Speaker 6: one at his instrument back in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Boris the Spider is seventy two. He died No.
Speaker 6: Two, so he would have been eighty eighty. I mentioned
Speaker 6: John Lennon and his birthday today. Also Lennon would have
Speaker 6: been eighty two, would have.
Speaker 1: Been eighty four. Ow m h.
Speaker 6: Guiermo del Toro, I know the guys. The director pans
Speaker 6: Labyrinth hell Boy.
Speaker 1: Uh sixty two sixty ah, not bad. Shane sh Ozzie is.
Speaker 6: Going to Sharon Osbourne's birthday.
Speaker 1: Osbourne her birthday, Let's see, she is going to be
Speaker 1: seventy eight. Sharon is seventy two. She looks seventy eight
Speaker 1: for you. How about Otto Schnaring? Do you know who
Speaker 1: Otto Snaring is? Nine? I don't who is Atto Snaring?
Speaker 1: Otto was born in eighteen ninety one. He's old Snaring.
Speaker 1: He died in nineteen and fifty three.
Speaker 6: She created the baby Ruth Candy bar Oh wow, forever
Speaker 6: remembered in Caddy scheck.
Speaker 1: Of course, there you go. Birthdays for today. Tony Vantny
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