1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,319 Speaker 1: It's time to celebrate the fringest team sport known to man. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,879 We're modern day gladiators, collide for all the glory on 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,800 the Gridi. Let's talk some college football on Cougar Sports 4 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:11,759 with Ben Cridle. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back Cougar Sports. One of three nine ninety eight 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:16,839 point three ESPN the Fan. 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 3: I've been Cridinal broadcasting from our Vanderwall Studios vanderwillth dot com. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,839 Get on a free Q and A no obligation to 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,039 invest Q and A with our tax smart Wealth Advisors, 10 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:28,480 our certified financial planners. Nobody does it better than vander Wealth. 11 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:30,679 I got Andrew Peterson by my side. 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Yeah? 33 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:33,519 Speaker 4: You there? 34 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: H I got you now, loud and clear. 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: Appreciate you joining me, all right, give us an update, man, 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,400 what's new with the Tempkin family. 37 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 4: Appreciate you asking man. We actually happen to spend some 38 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,319 time during the New Year and Christmas around Delray Beach, Florida, 39 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,079 which worked out perfectly for the Orange Bowl. Nice so 40 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:55,120 got to go to the Orange Bowl, which was a 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,200 lot of fun right up until the game kicked off 42 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:03,560 and then yeah, no, it's I mean, I'm as same 43 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,840 with Ron, your producer on we were your producer. I'm 44 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,959 a Bears fan, grew up in Chicago, so super excited 45 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:10,280 about the Bears getting back in the playoffs. I'm ready 46 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,159 to be hurt again, Ben, I'm ready to be hurt again. 47 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:13,879 Speaker 2: I love it. Man. 48 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've had to You've had to stay silent for 49 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:17,960 too long. 50 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: For so long. 51 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: I mean, how how loud were you during like the 52 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:31,280 Jay Cutler era, Like there were some good times, right, yeah, 53 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,639 I mean how long have you been silent then? 54 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: I mean it's been a minute. 55 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: Historically, you know, the Bears have just they've been a franchise. 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,080 It's both of some of the best defensive players in 57 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,280 the in the history of the NFL, you know, and 58 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,360 and our friend Jim McMahon not was standing here. I mean, 59 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,680 Mike Singletary, Dick Bud Case, Brian or Locker, you know. 60 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:53,919 I mean, there's just an a you know, Ron Rivera, 61 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,039 just an insane amount of great defensive players. This year, 62 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:02,240 Caleb Williams was like twenty forty yard shy of setting 63 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:05,240 a record for the Bear Well, He's said a record 64 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,120 for a single season passing for the Bears this year, 65 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,919 but the Bears still have not had a four thousand 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,639 yard passer. Some franchises have had three or four four 67 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,120 thousand yard passers. The Bears have never had one. And 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,639 Caleb almost did it this year. So, I mean, offensively, 69 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:20,680 this is a I mean the Bears. This is the 70 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,759 best context I can give you on this, Ben. The 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,000 Bears finished top five in total offense this year for 72 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:34,759 the first time since nineteen seventy seven. Crazy Ben Johnson 73 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,120 was right higher. That's all I know. 74 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:39,199 Speaker 3: Shout out to Ben Johnson, and I know you and 75 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,680 Ronald you guys can celebrate once again and not be 76 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,639 so silent about your Chicago Bear. Speaking of Bears, BYU 77 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,400 got Bear Bachmeyer back in the fold, our favorite bear 78 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,080 here in Provo. I don't think there was any question 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,719 that he was coming back, but the fact that the 80 00:03:57,039 --> 00:04:00,479 true freshman All American is coming back to b YU 81 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:03,439 to lead the Cougars into twenty twenty six, that's big 82 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:05,520 time right to be able to retain your quarterback this 83 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:09,240 day and age, after a tremendous season to start. 84 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,879 Speaker 4: Off well, and especially considering that you know, I mean, 85 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:14,639 he was a late addition to the roster he's in 86 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,240 Stanford and comes to BYU, and I mean it's huge, 87 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:21,800 you know. And I've been asked Ben already by a few, 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,920 you know, different people, like who's the favorites for next 89 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,959 year in the Big Twelve? And I mean, I think 90 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,680 you've got to start with the teams that finished towards 91 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,240 the top of the Big Twelve at the end of 92 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:34,040 last year, and and you know BYU obviously a part 93 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:36,480 of that. So I think with what BYU brings back 94 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:39,279 the biggest question, and it's you know, I mean, it's 95 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:42,439 it's crazy to think that the decision making by Mark 96 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,079 Harltan and Utah has led to some friendly fire here 97 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,240 from losing j Hill. That's going to be a huge loss. 98 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,519 And you know, I mean I love Kelly Papinga and 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,959 hopefully he's able to pick up right where Jay Hill 100 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,079 left off, but that obviously remains to be seen and 101 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,279 we'll see how how good this defense can be. But 102 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:02,120 I'm excited for BYU next year. You know, I've been 103 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:05,240 shouting from the rooftops something you and I have talked 104 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,399 a ton about, which is, you know, the the Southeastern Conference, 105 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:11,279 which you know is way more of a paper tiger 106 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,839 now than it used to be, had five bids the 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,680 College Football Playoff this year. They won three games. Two 108 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,439 of them came against itself when Alabama knocked off Oklahoma 109 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:27,800 and All missed then knocked off Alabama, and then the 110 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,720 other win was All miss beating Too Lane. So they 111 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:33,279 in last three years the SEC has had has gone 112 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:36,439 three and seven in the college football playoffs. Now that 113 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:39,680 everybody can pay players, the SEC no longer has their 114 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,879 own strategic advantage. And you know, I say all this 115 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:45,360 to say that the Big Twelve every year gets judged 116 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,480 on one football game. One. They play thousands of games 117 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,519 a year, the entire conference, and they're judged on one 118 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,519 football game. And meanwhile, the SEC somehow has you know, 119 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,879 continues to assert itself as a dominant dog in college football, 120 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,360 continues to prove that it shouldn't be. So, you know, 121 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:06,199 regardless of what Texas Tech did this year in terms 122 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,759 of you know, the Orange Bowl, Like, to me, this 123 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,800 only enhanced the notion that the Big Twelve should get 124 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,079 more bids. Aren't we sick and tired of watching the 125 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,720 same SEC teams lose and lay an egg every single 126 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,959 year in the college football playoffs? I mean, this is 127 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,199 not the Alabama that we used to know. This is 128 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:22,680 not the Georgia that we used to know. These are 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,759 not top dogs anymore. They look average and that's because 130 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,959 they are, and like I would have loved to see. 131 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:29,839 I know we talked about this leading up to it, 132 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:32,759 but like BYU should have gotten a bid now in retrospect, 133 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,800 because we've seen these same the same song advance every 134 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,160 year from the SEC. It's a joke that they continue 135 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,120 to get a pass. 136 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: Do you remember the conversation we had at Big twelve 137 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,079 media days about the Big ten and specifically the SEC 138 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:48,839 and what they were doing with their scheduling, what they 139 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:52,040 were trying to do with their brand equity that they've 140 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:55,160 been built over the last thirtiies. You recall that combo 141 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,759 all that we had somewhat yeah, look this is the thing, Okay, 142 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,079 what they just want to play each other, right, this 143 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:04,920 is the thesis. 144 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: That's all they want to do. 145 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: Like that way they protect themselves because why over the 146 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,199 last twenty five years they've been the best conference. 147 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:13,839 Speaker 2: Right. 148 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,439 Speaker 3: Nick Saban retires for a reason because he sees. 149 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: The writing on the wall. 150 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:23,439 Speaker 3: The bagmen that built the SEC no longer make an 151 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,720 impact because everybody can have bagmen now and they just 152 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:28,639 want you to trust them, be like, hey, we have 153 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,959 a gauntlet, you know in the SEC. Because we've done 154 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,399 all this thing the last twenty five years, that brand 155 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:40,160 equity is no longer is powerful because everybody knows the reality. 156 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,000 They got the best clay, that the best talent because 157 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,839 they're paying players and doing what and Ordern said is, 158 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,399 you know, having the bagmen come through the back door. 159 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,199 Speaker 2: Now they can have him come through the front door. 160 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,279 Speaker 3: But they not as many are coming through the front 161 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:55,439 door in the SEC anymore. 162 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:58,439 Speaker 4: You're exactly right now that you bring it up. I 163 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,439 do remember a conversation about you, right, like the Big 164 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,240 ten and the SEC are trying to stack the deck. 165 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,319 And if I'm the Big Ten, I'm on the verge 166 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:08,240 of winning a third consecutive national championship. It would be 167 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:11,439 the third consecutive different team to win a national championship. 168 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,360 I don't need to partner with the SEC as much 169 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:18,079 as the SEC needs to partner with me. And like, 170 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,160 I think, you know, the last couple of years, you 171 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,360 could chalk it up to whatever excuses you wanted. This year, 172 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:25,879 it's so glaring, like it's beyond belief. The fact that 173 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,480 Bama would lay an egg like that and lose thirty 174 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,360 eight to three, and that after they knocked off Oklahoma 175 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,000 in their first Dround game. I mean, how about Miami 176 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,639 finishing third or fourth in the Atlantic Coast Conference and 177 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,080 going on the road against an A and M team 178 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,840 that was eleven and oh and holding A and M 179 00:08:44,919 --> 00:08:49,039 to just three points. They're not just good and elites 180 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,320 because they say they are anymore. And I think, Ben, 181 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,679 to your point, like this year proves more than without 182 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,320 a shadow of a doubt, five teams is far too 183 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,919 many for one conference that believes it to be as 184 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,759 as alpha as it used to be, and it's certainly 185 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:04,840 more beta now than it's been in a long time. 186 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: Ari Tempkin Big Twelve Insider here on ESPN the Fan 187 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,960 talking from college football. Where has your bandwidth been allocated 188 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,919 over the last week in regards to college football the 189 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,559 topics he'd been broaching. 190 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 4: I mean the transfer portal, right, I mean, it's it's 191 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,360 so hot in terms of the movement. I mean, Texas 192 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:29,600 Tech is continuing to you know, bring in top level talent. 193 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,879 They've you know, they've gone fishing now within the Big Twelve. 194 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,320 They've landed Brendan Soresby, wh's, you know, one of the 195 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:38,799 highest paid players in college football. Next season, they added 196 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:41,960 Austin Romaine. It looks like they're on the the precipice 197 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,960 of adding the freshman stud pass rusher from Oklahoma State, 198 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,840 Wendel Gregory, who in his first career game had three 199 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,519 and a half sacks in a half, albeit against the 200 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,720 inferior opponent. But still, so, I mean, and it's not 201 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,720 just that. I mean they're just loading up, you know, 202 00:09:57,159 --> 00:09:59,480 in watching the Orange Bowl then, I mean they were 203 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:02,120 so dom minute on defense, but they just could not 204 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,000 do anything on offense. And when they lose David Bailey, 205 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:07,000 when they lose Ramelo Height, when they lose some of 206 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,320 the guys that made that defense to elite, you know, 207 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,320 it's one thing to improve on offense, but they also 208 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,360 then have to improve improve on defense too, because they're 209 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,600 not getting those guys back that made them so elite 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,200 on defense. Jacob Rodriguez has gone, Romelo Height has gone, 211 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,720 David Bailey is gone, and so I think they needed 212 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:24,399 to re up on defense to make sure that they 213 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,879 don't take a step back on defense while keeping their 214 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:29,360 eyes on the prize because their offense was not good enough, 215 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:31,279 and they did. They are going to bring back their 216 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,200 three running backs. Quinton Joyner was the biggest name last 217 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,440 offseason when when they added him, and he missed the 218 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,639 entire season. So he, along with Dickey and Jacoby Williams 219 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,440 be back if they can, you know, aside from matting Soorsby, 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,759 and look, there's legitimate questions about Thoresby too and how 221 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:47,720 last couple of years have gone in terms of the 222 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:50,600 finish for Cincinnati. But if they can add that that 223 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,000 Auburn receiver who's a legit NFL wide receiver, they look 224 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,679 like they could be even better next year than they 225 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,399 were last year. So you know, look, I do think 226 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,480 a rising to I lists all boats of the Big Twelve. 227 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,320 You know, it's one thing for the Big Twelve to 228 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,080 lose talent to other conferences. So I think, you know, 229 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,240 even if k State fans or you know, Oklahoma State 230 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,440 fans or Cincinnati fans are upset the Tech is poaching 231 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,120 their players, I mean, I feel as a member of 232 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,399 the Big Twelve conference, I'd rather lose them internally than 233 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,399 lose them to the SEC or the Big Ten. And 234 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,919 it's good to see Tech spending on the level of 235 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,840 those teams, because remember, as much as we talk about 236 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,000 how much Tech spent Oregon, they who beat Tech spent 237 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,639 outspent them. I mean, it's funny how that wasn't even 238 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:31,519 brought up as part of the conversation. All anybody want 239 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:34,639 to talk about was how much Tech spent. So yeah, 240 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,840 I mean, the focus right now I think is full 241 00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:39,559 on off season for the Big Twelve in terms of 242 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:42,360 the transfer portal, and then you know, as a huge 243 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:45,360 piece to that, just how horrible the schedule is. They 244 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:47,879 need to change the off season calendar. And I think 245 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:50,919 like there's two parts to this. There's the off season calendar, 246 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,600 which which again obviously needs to change, and then there's 247 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:55,320 the question of whether or not they need to change 248 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,639 the regular season calendar. And I don't think those two 249 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,799 need to necessarily go together. I think if they have 250 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:05,000 to this offseason change the calendar, we cannot have the 251 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:06,879 early signing period anymore. I think we go back to 252 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:09,399 the February signing period and that being the only one, 253 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,039 and the transfer portal opening up on January second is unbelievable. 254 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:17,399 That needs to also be follow the NFL's offseason calendar. 255 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,519 You go, February should be you're not your signing period, 256 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:23,440 then shortly after that the portal should open. Maybe that 257 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,519 changes what Springs Football looks like. Maybe it's more of 258 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:27,759 an OTA's I know, college football has to change the 259 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:29,679 name of things that it steals from the NFL, so 260 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,600 it probab with some different name, but it's basically what 261 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,919 it would be. And then you can look at all, right, 262 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,879 what are we doing in the regular season. Do we 263 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,799 move the season up a week? You know, Joey maguire 264 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,519 and Dan Lanning talked about, you know that they think 265 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,159 that this thing should be done by the start of 266 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,200 the new year, as opposed to playing playoff games here, 267 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,679 you know, the second week of the new year and 268 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,879 then into the following week for the championship. So I 269 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:54,879 don't think I think the two parts to this, like 270 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,879 you could change the off season. You must change the 271 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:59,759 off season because it's ridiculous what's going on right now 272 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,519 concurrently with the playoffs. And then I think you can 273 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,200 take a long, hard look at what changes might happen 274 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,320 to the regular season in terms of everybody starting a 275 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,279 week earlier or not, you know, whenever you gonna have 276 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:16,679 rivalry games, or you can have a conference championship games. 277 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,799 Will there be an expansion of the playoffs, Like, we 278 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:22,919 can't be prisoners of waiting for the regular season calendar 279 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:25,600 to change without changing the offseason calendar, because the offseason 280 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:26,960 calendar needs to be changed immediately. 281 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wanted to build off this playoff discussion. 282 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:37,759 The Big Twelve has gotten one team in the last 283 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:40,840 two years of the twelve team playoff. The first year, 284 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:43,679 you could make an argument that it was understandable the 285 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,360 Big Twelve only gets one team in. But this year 286 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,279 you have Texas Tech and then a twelve or an 287 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:55,639 eleven and two BYU regular season, one lost team. What's 288 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:58,159 it gonna take for the Big twelve to get two 289 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:00,639 teams in? Or is this gonna to be in every 290 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:04,720 every year occurrence where we just see one team year 291 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:05,840 in year out. 292 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,399 Speaker 4: It's a great question. I mean, I think the number 293 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,200 one thing is continue to build consistency at the top. 294 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,320 And so two years ago, you know, when you see 295 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,600 an Arizona State team go and win the Big Twelve 296 00:14:19,639 --> 00:14:21,919 kind of coming from nowhere, you know that does a 297 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,879 disservice to the narrative at large, which says that the 298 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:27,279 Big Twelve is kind of a mid mid tier league 299 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,679 and anybody can win it because it's a League of Parody. 300 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:32,720 So I think this year fixed that because now we 301 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:35,120 saw league become a lot more top heavy. There were 302 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,440 more dominant teams, and I expect those teams to stay 303 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,080 to a degree in dominance, specifically Texas Tech. I do 304 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,159 expect do Yu to be really good again next year, 305 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,120 but like Texas Tech is going to be at the 306 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,559 top of the conference again. And that's the litmus test. 307 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:51,879 Like when regardless of how good Texas or oh you 308 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,039 were on a year to year basis in the Big Twelve, 309 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,039 when they were in the Big Twelve, that was always 310 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:58,480 a litmus test. You could always say, oh, well they 311 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,600 were good because they beat that this team that's Tech 312 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,720 now and could potentially be BYU as well. Moving forward, 313 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,240 there needs to be more consistency at the top. And like, look, 314 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:11,919 perception is reality as unfair as it is, and perception 315 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,600 takes time to change, and the perception of the Big 316 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:17,519 twelve are now has not caught up with reality. The 317 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,919 League of Parody is the SEC's that's the mid league 318 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,000 right now, with just beating up in each other and 319 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,600 then showing up to the playoffs and laying an egg. 320 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,399 So the Big twelve is more top heavy than it's 321 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:29,120 been and I think it needs to continue to stay 322 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,000 that way, and certainly looks like Tech will once again 323 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:33,960 be a behemoth based on what they're doing in the portal. 324 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,559 And you know, and then like BYU, if you're stringing 325 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:39,720 together really good recruiting classes, like that's also a huge 326 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:40,279 key here. 327 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:40,919 Speaker 5: You know. 328 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: One of the things, guys, that I think is such 329 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,120 an important subplot to the final four here the semi 330 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,279 final games, is there's two teams right now that are 331 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:51,120 playing in the Final four, Indiana and ole Miss. They're 332 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,559 not blue chip ratio teams. So quick refresher teams that 333 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,080 have won national championships in the modern era have have 334 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,120 basically always had every single champion has had fifty percent 335 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,919 of their roster before five star recruits over a four 336 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,039 year period, every single champion. So there's two teams left 337 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,480 that are blue chip ratio teams and two they're not, 338 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:13,320 and they're both playing each other. You know, you've got 339 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,919 Oregon playing Indiana one, the blue ship ratio team on's 340 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,200 not in Ole Miss playing Miami. One's one is and 341 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,440 one's not. Right, So if Miami plays Oregon, right, it 342 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:24,159 sort of goes back to that blue ship ratio thing. 343 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,240 But if Indiana goes and wins the national championship, I 344 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,759 think this says a lot about where the future trajectory 345 00:16:28,799 --> 00:16:31,399 of the Big twelve is because there's been this history 346 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:34,320 that says Big twelve team can't win a national championship 347 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,080 because of these None of these teams are blue ship 348 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:40,360 ratio teams. And even if Tech or BYU or Colorado, 349 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:43,039 who kind of was on a trajectory to be there, 350 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,480 it takes three or four more years of doing what 351 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:47,559 they're doing in order to get there. So if Indiana 352 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:50,320 or Ole miss goes to winnes A National Championship, I 353 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,679 think it shows that in this era of the Transfer portal, 354 00:16:53,879 --> 00:16:56,559 you can build a championship caliber team through the portal, 355 00:16:56,559 --> 00:16:59,519 which I think would be huge, huge piece for the 356 00:16:59,519 --> 00:16:59,960 Big Twelve. 357 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: Ari Tempkin Big Twelve Insider here on your Utah ESPN 358 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Radio Network, want to ask you about what you've heard 359 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,559 about this hold him on Williams situation. 360 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: His agent has dropped him. 361 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: He's hired lawyer to try to get out of his 362 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,920 nil deal that he signed just a day before he. 363 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:20,839 Speaker 2: Entered the portal. 364 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,519 Speaker 3: How do you think this this plays out legally? I 365 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:31,880 know there's been efforts to maybe hold young men accountable 366 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,039 that have signed an IL deals and have maybe rescinded 367 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:39,680 on that, trying to get out of the deal, but 368 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,640 they signed it. You know, certain teams are trying to, 369 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:45,680 you know, try trying to hold them accountable in some way, 370 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,240 shape or for him. 371 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: How do you think this thing plays out? 372 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, as I think we all 373 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,759 can agree, like when you're living in a society, there's 374 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:56,839 certain rules you probably a bye bye, and you know, contracts, 375 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:00,880 you know, should probably be a little bit more you know, 376 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,920 set in stone than how they're being treated in college 377 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,119 sports right now. You know, Williams is one example, and 378 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,799 it's an obvious, glaring example, but there's plenty other examples 379 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:13,240 of this. I don't I'm not going to say that 380 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:15,720 rob Wright signed a deal with Baylor, but according to Baylor, 381 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,079 rob Wright had agreed in principle to a deal and 382 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,160 then turned around and went to BYU. So this happens 383 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,599 all the time, and it's it sucks, right, I mean 384 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,519 it even if it benefits you, it sucks. And I 385 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:31,200 think the Williams thing is just such a glaring, Like 386 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,160 it's almost as if he signed a deal, realized his 387 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,400 market value was higher than it was, and then rescinded 388 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,559 the deal. And I mean, you're totally right. Then I'm 389 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:39,920 holding people accountable. I mean, this is kind of how 390 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,759 things work, right, Like if you sign a bad deal, 391 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,839 that's sort of how negotiations work. Sorry, but that's just 392 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,319 how these things go. At the end of the day, though, 393 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,599 the reality is we need collective bargaining. That's the only 394 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,160 way to fix this. And I don't know how this 395 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,920 will go into court of law. The problem is in 396 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,079 a court of law, these things drag out. And meanwhile, 397 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Williams can just, you know, like other players have before him, 398 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:05,680 you know, enroll in a different school and hey, I'm 399 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,359 a student, I can play football. Can I come play 400 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,519 in your football team? Yes? So, like there's there's major 401 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:16,160 ways around the transfer portal and you know, easy loopholes 402 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,240 right now to jump through in order to that, guys 403 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:20,319 are going to get their way, Like he's gonna leave, 404 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,640 He's not going to stay at Washington because the system 405 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,359 is set up for him to take advantage of loopholes 406 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,079 that will allow him to leave and potentially go to 407 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,000 LSU or wherever else he wants to go. So you know, 408 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:33,880 the only fix to this is collective bargaining. You know, 409 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,880 the reality is collective bargaining is not good for the 410 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,720 student athletes because I mean they can leave at any 411 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:42,079 time and not and not a buye bind an these contracts, 412 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,319 they're constantly free agents, so every year they go back 413 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,279 into free agency. So and it's not it wouldn't be 414 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:50,640 an easy and dev either collective bargaining. I mean, there's 415 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,880 so many athletes, how do you get them to organize. 416 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:55,599 It's a mess, There's no doubt about it. But you know, 417 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,599 and I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like within 418 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,960 contract law, the only viable opp here is for two 419 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,240 sides to come to the table and then it goes 420 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,920 back to leadership. There's just no leadership here, Like there's 421 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,519 nobody in charge. And all anybody could say is that 422 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:13,200 that nobody's in charge. And so you know, there's there's 423 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,799 nobody to complain to, there's nobody lobby to. So at 424 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:19,359 some point, like we need somebody to be a commissioner, 425 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:22,559 We need a collective bargaining agreement between you know, the 426 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,039 the administration and the student athletes, and I mean, there's 427 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:28,839 really no way around it. It's the only six you know, 428 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,799 Congress isn't going to save this. It's been years now 429 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,440 and they haven't even gotten a bill past committee hearings. 430 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,119 I mean, they're they're not even close on a bill. 431 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,720 So and even if they did, who knows that that 432 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:43,799 would even hold up and get signed into law. And 433 00:20:43,839 --> 00:20:46,359 we're five years in without a build geting out of committee. 434 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:49,480 So we've got to get collective bargain. It's the only 435 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:51,319 fix to this to really rein it in. And then 436 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,359 you get deals that are you know, not going to 437 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,000 go be held up in court like this, and you 438 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:58,680 have a little bit more uniformity, and it it's it's horrible, 439 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,759 it's awful. I get why say and are upset about it. 440 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,039 I get why everybody's upset about it. It's it should 441 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,039 it's not how the world functions, and it shouldn't be 442 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:06,440 how college football functions. 443 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:09,039 Speaker 3: I will say this though, and I agree there's a 444 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,039 there's a lot of things I can say that that 445 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,440 that are broken about the current system. But the free market, 446 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,400 capitalistic college football landscape that we're operating in has allowed 447 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,839 Ole Miss, who has been a middling SEC team for 448 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,480 a long time. 449 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,039 Speaker 2: In Indiana, who has. 450 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: Never seen double digit victories in its like in its 451 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:28,880 one hundred year career. 452 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: You know, like lifespan there. 453 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: Indiana may be your national champion this year, Ole miss 454 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:39,119 maybe your national champion. Oregon doesn't have a national championship. 455 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:40,920 They could win it. I don't think they have it. 456 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,279 I don't think they have a national championship. Miami won 457 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:45,720 one in the in the nineties. They've been irrelevant to 458 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:48,640 last twenties, That's what I'm saying, Like Miami really hasn't 459 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,880 been overly relevant since the late eighties and early nineties, 460 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:53,480 you know what I mean. 461 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: So like we are seeing in a leveling of the 462 00:21:56,519 --> 00:22:01,000 playing field. That's actually a good thing, I think. 463 00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:04,279 Speaker 3: Uh, But to your point, it's like, Okay, well, how 464 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:07,359 long do we want this leveling of the playing field 465 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,400 to play out? Like I want more data points of 466 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,279 free market capitalism college football wise, and then maybe we 467 00:22:13,319 --> 00:22:16,400 allow the pendulum because the I'm willing to let this 468 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,079 play out for the next five years and then bring 469 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,720 the pendulum back. I'd like to see the pendulum keep 470 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:25,039 swinging this way, just to just to see what happens 471 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,759 from a evening of the playing field standpoint. 472 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 4: And look, I'm one hundred percent with you on the 473 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,519 like evening in the playing field and the fact that 474 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:36,799 what we've had right now at transpired had allowed for 475 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:38,359 the playing field even I mean, I made the joke 476 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,000 earlier and it's one hundred percent truthful. The sec is 477 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,400 not as good as it was because they everybody else 478 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,519 is paying players now, and there's a lot of truth 479 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,279 to that. But I also don't think if you you know, 480 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,680 have viable contracts and there's collective bargaining, that that necessarily 481 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:54,400 would be the end of that you know, equity across 482 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,839 the board, you know. And I think what's maybe most 483 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,960 interesting about this this dynamic is is like, Okay, Indiana 484 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,880 had the twenty fifth ranked transfer portal class in twenty 485 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,160 twenty five. In twenty twenty four they had these thirtieth 486 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,240 ranked transfer portal class. Right, So it is obviously an 487 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:17,559 extremely inexact science in terms of the players you're going 488 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:21,319 after in the portal I mean twenty four to seven 489 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,759 sports on three sports. The companies that are creating these rankings, 490 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,200 they have the science of the high school rankings down 491 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,240 way better than they do the transfer portal and like 492 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:36,599 we're as media and analysts and fans, you know, glue 493 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,319 to these transfer commitments and then we look and we're like, 494 00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:42,559 where are they ranked? And it seems more inconsequential in 495 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,440 terms of the ranking than anything. Like Indiana has put 496 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,599 together a behemoth by for the most part, adding age. 497 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,039 You know, their average age is twenty three. The Bears 498 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:56,119 are going to play the Green Bay Packers on Saturday night. 499 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,519 The average age the Green Bay Packers is twenty five. 500 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,599 So Inana, regardless of how the players are viewed from 501 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,519 a star standpoint, are performed like they've found a formula 502 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,680 that works. And I think that is what to me 503 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:14,400 is the most intriguing aspect of this is, you know, 504 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,799 the science within the science where it's not just about well, 505 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480 everybody've viewsed this guy as being the best player. This 506 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:23,519 guy's got the best measurables. Like, there's other aspects that 507 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,440 other teams are strategizing to look for. Joey McGuire wants 508 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,359 guys at play, so some, you know, some in the 509 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,440 portal are going to look for guys that are you know, 510 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:35,880 former five stars or four stars that maybe didn't get 511 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,759 on the field as much at Obama or at Georgia 512 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,119 or a LSU. But McGuire's approaches. I don't want guys 513 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,400 that haven't seen the field. I want guys that have produced, 514 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,920 have been on the field. So everybody's got their own approach, 515 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,559 their own strategy. There's there's no one size fits all. 516 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:52,119 I think it's clear and that part, to me is 517 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,599 what's so intriguing about it. 518 00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:57,079 Speaker 3: Ari, best way to support you what you do, how 519 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,079 you do it. For all of our listeners today, she. 520 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,279 Speaker 4: Had that very much, Bud. Yeah, I mean you can 521 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,759 follow me on social media, but I also started a 522 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,640 YouTube channel where I'm talking about Big twelve in college sports. 523 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,079 So just search my name Ari Tempting or ARI Sports 524 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,440 on YouTube and subscribe and like the channel there, and 525 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,960 then of course check out Big twelve today from seven 526 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,240 to ten am, or I guess that would be eight 527 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,680 to eleven am your time on tune in and on YouTube. 528 00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: Love it man, great stuff is always Ari Tempican ladies 529 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,279 and gentlemen. We'll catch up a again soon. 530 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,839 Speaker 4: You're the best. 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I'll text them 543 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:58,960 I was gonna bring up the idea. You've heard the 544 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,400 the phrase we need to rein in NIL the last 545 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,680 few years. I have a theory that's coming from the 546 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,640 SEC teams, mainly the Bamas and the Georgia's of them, 547 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:13,200 who just want to be able to go above a 548 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,920 salary cap that they propose under the table. Again, I 549 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,920 don't I haven't really heard that they want regulation. They 550 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,480 want regulation so that they can circumvent it. 551 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:25,759 Speaker 2: Again. 552 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 5: Like I hear a lot of people say NIL is 553 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,279 ruining college football, but I've yet to hear somebody actually 554 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:34,279 convince me how it is doing that, because I still 555 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,799 go to games on Saturdays, and I still see the 556 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:40,200 same amazing sport that I grew up in love for 557 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,480 the most part. Obviously, there are things that have changed 558 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:47,680 about it, but the product is still amazing. I'm yet 559 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,599 to be convinced what the real problem is. If your 560 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,200 quarterback leaves, which I don't know BYU had go get 561 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,400 a new one, like you can do that. 562 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. 563 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 6: I don't see the problem with it, to be honest. 564 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,559 Speaker 3: Those that think it's ruined they are those who are 565 00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,599 either on they were winning in the former system and 566 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,880 they want to continue to take advantage of the system 567 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,000 through their traditional bag man liquid cash means because they're 568 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,559 going to circumvent the rules because they're going to do 569 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:20,440 anything to win, or they're the people that thought that 570 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,880 they were living under a rock they're ostriching and didn't 571 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,039 know that everyone was cheating. 572 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,079 Speaker 2: Yep, they just didn't know. And they're like, well, it's 573 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,000 going to ruin the sport. These kids, well, these kids. 574 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 5: I just think they underestimated. I think they all thought 575 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,480 that they could establish more dominance with the money, because 576 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,279 that's what they've been doing. I think they underestimated what 577 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:46,119 happens when you let fans impact the sport. Yeah, and 578 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,559 I do think you're gonna see market correction because I 579 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:51,200 think there's going to be in the next few years. 580 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,599 I think there's gonna be a lot of teams where 581 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,119 boosters are tired of paying millions and millions every year 582 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,480 and like they're not getting paid back, not they're doing 583 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:57,960 it out of them. 584 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 6: I think you're going to see a correction if you. 585 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: Get billionaires involved that can actually pay their players. 586 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: It's nice. 587 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know how many billionaires there 588 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:08,640 are in Tuscaloosa, not many. 589 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: Not many. 590 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: But then you had a lot of fans that were 591 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,519 willing to give a little bit of you know, do 592 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,640 little side deals to little side hustles. 593 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:16,599 Speaker 2: Come on down to the come on down to the 594 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,039 car dealership. 595 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 3: We'll get you a little something some you know, and 596 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:22,880 enough money, you know, gets in those hands. I remember 597 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,279 hearing back in twenty seventeen when we were with BA was. 598 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,039 Speaker 2: Going out to LSU. 599 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,279 Speaker 3: I was having a discussion with the recruiting guy and 600 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,000 he's and I was like, Hey, what's the market rate 601 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,079 in the SEC for like a d N. He's like 602 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,240 probably ninety thousand to one hundred and twenty thousand annually. 603 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,359 Can you imagine this day and age having a four star, 604 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,480 five star d ND and you're only paying them ninety 605 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,400 one hundred and twenty thousand. 606 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: That's what they were paying them when they were cheating. 607 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,279 Speaker 3: Now LSU's paying a lot more than that now, but 608 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:53,920 you got to realize that was what their cap was 609 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,160 less than a decade ago. 610 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: What they were willing the SEC was willing to pay 611 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,000 at that time. 612 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,319 Speaker 3: And those donors, right, that's what they were used to. 613 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,079 That's what they're paying Now they're willing to pay a 614 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:12,160 little bit more than that, But eventually those donors will 615 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200 get a little bit of donor fatigue because it's not 616 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,279 necessarily all tax deductible anymore. 617 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm going to say this, I'm gonna make that. 618 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,799 Speaker 5: I'll be very declarative. NIL has not ruined college sports. 619 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,839 It's fixed college sports. I believe that wholeheartedly. I think 620 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,079 Indiana fans will agree to Ole Miss fans. I think 621 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,319 most fans outside of Tuscaloosa would agree with that. 622 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,559 Speaker 3: Signetti is unique in the sense that I mean, I 623 00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:42,680 think it's coaching culture and I mean his roster was 624 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:46,319 ranked like seventy second for their recruiting rank. 625 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 5: Texas Tech the Oregon should agree to because Oregon was 626 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,680 not relevant for most of college football. It's only recently, 627 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,480 mostly the twenty first century, that they've been relevant at all. 628 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,319 Speaker 2: Sure, I think there's a lot of a lot of 629 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:03,799 truth to that. 630 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:05,519 Speaker 3: Like I said, you look at the Final Four right now. 631 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:13,000 Miami has been irrelevant for you know, thirty years. Oregon, 632 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 you know, only in the last decade has it really 633 00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,960 become relevant in college football with Phil Knight started allocating 634 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,200 a ton of money to it, and and then obviously 635 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,160 Indiana has never won any football games. And you know, 636 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,119 you're just looking at oh Miss. They've always been at 637 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,839 bottom of the wrong middling SEC school because remember they 638 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,759 tried to cheat with Hugh Freeze and they got caught 639 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,079 and they got reprimanded, castigated from the power brokers they 640 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,519 were trying to they were starting to win and they're 641 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:44,880 doing what everybody else was doing and they got their 642 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,720 hands slapped. 643 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 5: Just look at the playoffs over the last few years. 644 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,599 Any given Saturday is more is alive now more than ever. 645 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,759 You had Arizona State in the playoff last year. Arizona 646 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,920 State has been horrible Texas to most of my life. 647 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,480 This year, it's crazy so I think you're right. I 648 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,799 think it's fixing college football. Most people just say it's 649 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:08,640 not sustainable. 650 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,839 Speaker 2: We'll see how sustainable it is. Let the pendulum swing. 651 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,279 Speaker 5: It's like, what do you mean it's not sustainable? The 652 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,920 market will correct itself. We're still gonna have college football. Yeah, 653 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,240 I don't see the I'm yet to be convinced what 654 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:22,799 the real issue with NIL is. 655 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,759 Speaker 2: We'll go to break, please don't go anywhere. 656 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:27,839 Speaker 3: Coming up next, do we want to get into this 657 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,000 cougar byte Ronald the three Man Weaver, Yes we do. 658 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna get into a little cougar byte. Not 659 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,559 all as well. Out in Kentucky. 660 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: Lexington is in an outrage right now for regarding their 661 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,880 basketball team. They've spent twenty two million on their roster 662 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:50,319 and their ROI is not what they. 663 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,359 Speaker 2: They're not happy with their ROI. 664 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,599 Speaker 3: That coming up next, This is Cougar Sports one of 665 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,559 three nine ninet eight point three ESPN