Speaker 1: Hold on, you got to stop interrupting, Okay, let him finish.
Speaker 2: Size.
Speaker 3: So the tragedy that's been inflicted on Gaza is orders
Speaker 3: of magnitudes greater than October seventh, even if you had
Speaker 3: the right Let's say somebody broke onto your property and
Speaker 3: killed some of your family members, and you want to
Speaker 3: go kill this guy. If he goes back to his
Speaker 3: apartment building, and you know that there's women and children
Speaker 3: in that apartment building, and so your move is to
Speaker 3: blow up the building, what you would be charged with
Speaker 3: is murder in the first degree, cold blooded, premeditated, intentional murder.
Speaker 3: Now you could sit there and tell the judge, I
Speaker 3: didn't want to kill all those people. Why would I
Speaker 3: want to kill all of those people. I just had
Speaker 3: to kill that one guy. But that's that's not what counts.
Speaker 3: You did it intentionally. You dropped a bomb knowing that
Speaker 3: there were women and children in that building. That is
Speaker 3: intentionally murdering innocent people. And you, if you're going to
Speaker 3: advocate for this war, so why can't you just say yes,
Speaker 3: that price is acceptable, because then we could have a
Speaker 3: real conversation about why the other side is going to
Speaker 3: look at you like a monster.
Speaker 2: Dave Smith, what a week, brother.
Speaker 4: So Dave goes on Rogan does back to back episodes,
Speaker 4: which is fairly rare. Apparently he got Douglas Murray to
Speaker 4: take on the debate, and he did so yesterday, and
Speaker 4: the internet is quite on fire as a consequence of it.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you this, the only thing that you
Speaker 4: really take away from this is that there is only
Speaker 4: one group of people left that actually sides with the
Speaker 4: Douglas Murray's of the world, and that is the Ryder
Speaker 4: die Zionist crowd, the israel First crowd.
Speaker 2: And look, that's fine.
Speaker 4: Of course, there's going to be a constituency that agrees
Speaker 4: with anybody on any side of a debate. But if
Speaker 4: you actually watch that debate impartially, which I'm not capable of,
Speaker 4: but I know based off of the comments, there's a
Speaker 4: ton of impartial people. There's a ton of fans of
Speaker 4: Douglas Murray that are like, Jesus Christ, is Dude's insufferable?
Speaker 4: Like how could you possibly go? All right, so let
Speaker 4: me start square one. Douglas Murray opens up and I'm
Speaker 4: not exaggerating. I am not exaggerating one iota. He spends
Speaker 4: the first forty five minutes of this debate, lecturing Joe
Speaker 4: Rogan about the guests that he's had on and the
Speaker 4: level of scrutiny that he's applied to them, and whether
Speaker 4: or not he's had enough experts, whether or not he's
Speaker 4: had enough diversity of opinion when it comes to Israel Palestine.
Speaker 4: It is amazing to witness, particularly for those that don't know.
Speaker 4: Douglas Murray has made his name over the past decade
Speaker 4: raging against the woke, and then he proceeded to utilize
Speaker 4: almost every woke tactic you can muster, so much so
Speaker 4: that he actually chastises Dave Smith when he mentions some
Speaker 4: of the architects of not just the War on Terror,
Speaker 4: but Clean Break and the entire new Conservative foundation in
Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties that changed the geopolitical outlook for the
Speaker 4: United States Empire. It's irrefutable, but Dave doesn't even mention
Speaker 4: the religion of the people that he's talking about.
Speaker 2: He just says their names.
Speaker 3: That he had seen the plans at first in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety one, that they came from Paul Wolfowitz, that basically
Speaker 3: then they got what's funny about what the four star
Speaker 3: general said? They can continue no I'm just curious what's
Speaker 3: laughable about this.
Speaker 4: He's like Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas worry. He goes, whoaa, whoa.
Speaker 4: Do you know what you're doing right now? Do you
Speaker 4: know what kind of fertile ground you're creating for anti
Speaker 4: Semitism to foster.
Speaker 5: It's a very strange thing always when Wolf's his name
Speaker 5: comes up, because he was a relatively low level person
Speaker 5: to whom almost everything can be ascribed, and.
Speaker 2: I didn't describe. Again, if this is I didn't describe
Speaker 2: every you didn't, I'm literally telling you what anyway. No,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: What the four star general said about him, and I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say Deputary Secretary of Defense is like a nothing position.
Speaker 3: It's pretty consequential.
Speaker 4: Possisi and Dave's like, I'm just telling you the name
Speaker 4: of the guys. He's constantly lambasting Dave as not being
Speaker 4: an expert and others other guests that have been on
Speaker 4: Rogan not expert enough. You shouldn't be talking to these people.
Speaker 4: You ought to be having more people like me, Douglas,
Speaker 4: Mary with my Paul shackcent. Don't you understand that you're
Speaker 4: in the presence of royalty. I have the most brilliant
Speaker 4: ideas you ever did hear. Sorry, that's not as potious
Speaker 4: he is, but you get the idea. He's chastising him
Speaker 4: for not having experts on and then Dave gets on
Speaker 4: a roll and starts rattling off the names and quotes
Speaker 4: of different politicians and intellagency heads and things of that
Speaker 4: nature that have demonstrated definitively that, yeah, America's foreign policy
Speaker 4: has been dedicated and dictated to the ends of Israeli
Speaker 4: desires many times over the past forty years. In particular,
Speaker 4: Instead of just contending with the argument, he just Lambassa
Speaker 4: him for mentioning a Jewish last name that is woke
Speaker 4: one oh one worse, it gets way worse than that.
Speaker 6: Have you been to the Crossing Poins?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: When we lost out at all?
Speaker 2: I've never been. You've never been? Well? Am I not
Speaker 2: allowed to talk about it? Now?
Speaker 3: I have never been to Have you ever been to
Speaker 3: Nazi Germany?
Speaker 2: Are you allowed to have feelings about them?
Speaker 6: You can't time travel, but you can't travel, Okay?
Speaker 2: But so what so what's the point?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: No, I find that lots of people have been there
Speaker 3: and agree with me, and lots of people have been
Speaker 3: there and agree with you.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to spend a year.
Speaker 6: And a half talking about about a place. You should
Speaker 6: at least do the courtesy of visiting it, all right,
Speaker 6: I just think this is a non argument. No, I
Speaker 6: think it's a non argument.
Speaker 4: But if you have to go and touch the ground,
Speaker 4: I think you.
Speaker 2: Have to see.
Speaker 6: I think it's a good idea to see stuff, particularly
Speaker 6: if you spend a career talking about it something. Yes,
Speaker 6: I have a journalistic rule of trying never to talk
Speaker 6: about a country, even IMPOSSI unless I've at least been there.
Speaker 4: So and what was near universally perceived to be a slaughter.
Speaker 4: The only thing that's being brought up is is this moment,
Speaker 4: this own by Douglas Murray as he criticizes Dave for
Speaker 4: talking about a war zone that he hasn't attended. Well,
Speaker 4: first off, let's point out the woke tactic there, that
Speaker 4: this is straight out of the woke booklet of how
Speaker 4: to defend yourself. This is lived experience argumentation that you
Speaker 4: can't possibly have any opinion on. I don't know abortion rights,
Speaker 4: women's rights, trans rights unless you are those things. And
Speaker 4: Douglas Murray would be the first to tell you, this
Speaker 4: is not an argument. I can have opinions on all
Speaker 4: of these things, and in fact I can convey an
Speaker 4: opinion in probably a less biased way, So that's just
Speaker 4: not an argument at all.
Speaker 2: He did so.
Speaker 4: Poorly that his supporters are leaning on this as this
Speaker 4: anvil moment that just shattered Dave's entire defense. For the
Speaker 4: life of me, I can't understand how, but I just
Speaker 4: want to point out that the only reason you utilize
Speaker 4: a tactic like that is because you are losing, because
Speaker 4: you are being flatlined, because you don't actually know as
Speaker 4: much about this topic as you claim to. And I
Speaker 4: genuinely mean this when I say it again, no hyperbole.
Speaker 4: Dave Smith understands this conflict way better than Douglas Murray.
Speaker 4: He's read more about it, He's sure, he's talked to
Speaker 4: more experts about it, he's talked to more people about
Speaker 4: he's listened to more things about it. It's so evident,
Speaker 4: and I implore you if you haven't watched this, despite
Speaker 4: the fact that it's absolutely excruciating, maybe fast forward through
Speaker 4: the first hour, but if you actually listen to the
Speaker 4: content of the arguments, it's not close. Dave knows everything
Speaker 4: every in and out of this better than Douglas Murray.
Speaker 4: And the only people that can't see that are those
Speaker 4: that are so so indoctrinated, so biased towards the Israeli side,
Speaker 4: that they're just going to dismiss out of hand everything
Speaker 4: Dave has to say, And Douglas Murray intentionally gives them
Speaker 4: that opportunity to dismiss Dave's arguments by saying, you haven't
Speaker 4: even been there. Now, let me point out one real
Speaker 4: flaw in that argument. There has been hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 4: and hundreds, arguably thousands of journalists and aid workers that
Speaker 4: have been blown up over the past eighteen months during
Speaker 4: this war. So for you to argue, oh you have
Speaker 4: if you haven't, if you haven't been there, how could
Speaker 4: you even have an argument. Well, if he goes there,
Speaker 4: he may not come back to be able to debate you, Doug, Dougie.
Speaker 4: I know it probably really pisses him off if you
Speaker 4: just him as anything other than Douglas. Oh, Douglas. But
Speaker 4: that's the truth. This is a vicious war zone, one
Speaker 4: of the most vicious when it comes to non enemy
Speaker 4: combatants in recent history, far more dangerous than Ukraine. You
Speaker 4: can go to Ukraine as a journalist and probably get
Speaker 4: out alive. You go to Gaza, you're definitely taking your
Speaker 4: life in your hands if you're not just a reporter,
Speaker 4: not just a journalist, but also aid workers, ambulance drivers, paramedics.
Speaker 4: There's footage of massive slaughter of these people time and
Speaker 4: time and time again, so much so that you have
Speaker 4: reports that come out of the UN and others that
Speaker 4: are saying, yeah, like these are human rights violations. This
Speaker 4: is just a total non argument. And then on top
Speaker 4: of that, do you think that Douglas Murray went to
Speaker 4: Gaza during the war and just wandered about talking to
Speaker 4: did he interview Hamas or do you think that he
Speaker 4: was probably brought in there by the IDF and shown
Speaker 4: a very curated view of everything. And this is the
Speaker 4: broader point I want to get to. Despite describing himself
Speaker 4: as an expert, because obviously that's the insinuation of saying, well, Rogan,
Speaker 4: you should have on more experts. Why would you talk
Speaker 4: to this silly lad like Dave Smith, a good comedian.
Speaker 4: You're going to get information from him? Are you a fool?
Speaker 4: Marta Maide, Daryl Coopa, you fool? He doesn't even classify
Speaker 4: himself as a historian. Here's the thing about Douglas Murray
Speaker 4: that people don't know. Douglas Murray is not an expert either.
Speaker 4: He opines on everything from Ai to China, to Iran
Speaker 4: to Russia Ukraine war to Israel Palestine war or What
Speaker 4: he is is a professional propagandas he travels around to
Speaker 4: these war zones. Yes, I would imagine at the at
Speaker 4: the expense of the empire that wants him to then
Speaker 4: travel around defending their empire. But that doesn't make him
Speaker 4: an expert. It makes him a propagandasm. Might I add
Speaker 4: he's not some PhD. He's not a historian himself. He
Speaker 4: doesn't have any sort of honorifics that would give him
Speaker 4: despite the fact that you shouldn't do this, but if
Speaker 4: you're going to do it, you better at least have
Speaker 4: you know, master's, PhD something if you're gonna just be
Speaker 4: all snooty about it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have any of that.
Speaker 4: He's got a bachelor's in English. I have a bachelor's too, Doug.
Speaker 4: Can I talk to you? Okay, maybe Dave doesn't have
Speaker 4: a college degree.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: Now are we on the same level? Will you take
Speaker 4: my opinion?
Speaker 2: Seriously.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's so absurd. And then you have the entire,
Speaker 4: the entire defense brigade for Douglas Murray consists of as
Speaker 4: I was saying, all all of the woke right, what like,
Speaker 4: the actual rogue woke right, not the James Lindsay described
Speaker 4: woke right, which is anybody who's even remotely critical of Israel, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, James, we figured out I gotta point
Speaker 4: this out. In the middle of the night last night
Speaker 4: James Lindsay posts and he says, now people are referring
Speaker 4: to Douglas Murray, this man who wrote X Y Z
Speaker 4: book as a neocon.
Speaker 2: LMAO.
Speaker 4: You won't believe this. But Douglas Murray, in two thousand,
Speaker 4: I think it was two thousand and five, maybe it
Speaker 4: was six, writes a book, Neo Conservatism, Why We Need It,
Speaker 4: and it is a defense of neoconservatism. He is arguing
Speaker 4: overtly that neo conservatism is the way forward, particularly because
Speaker 4: of the threat of radical Islam. He is a neocon.
Speaker 4: You don't even need to have the book to know that.
Speaker 4: You could just listen to the debate with Dave and
Speaker 4: you would have concluded the same thing, which any impartial,
Speaker 4: observer or just fair minded person was capable of gleaning
Speaker 4: right away. Yeah, he's a neocon. But if you need
Speaker 4: proof of that because you can't think for yourself, well,
Speaker 4: here's a book written from Douglas Murray called neo Conservatism,
Speaker 4: Why We Made It. That is an affirmative statement based
Speaker 4: off of an advocacy for an ideology, which is neoconservatism,
Speaker 4: which means that you are a neokon. It's irrefutable. Douglas
Speaker 4: Murray is a neokon. So this is how tilted the
Speaker 4: worldview of people like James Lindsay and others has gotten
Speaker 4: that they can't even despite proof to the contrary that
Speaker 4: they are wrong. He got community noted too, But people
Speaker 4: are like, what are you talking about? This guy is
Speaker 4: a self described neocon. That doesn't matter though it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter that he's written a book on it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: that he is literally literally his entire job for the
Speaker 4: past twenty years has been to talk about and debate about,
Speaker 4: and go around in high flutint areas and defend the empire,
Speaker 4: defend the latest war like there's almost no war that
Speaker 4: he hasn't defended and been an advocate for from Israel, Palestine, Ukraine, Russia,
Speaker 4: the War Afghanistan, every major war, and it happens to
Speaker 4: be that it's all of the major wars that the
Speaker 4: US has funded one side or the other on or
Speaker 4: fought in for that matter. And I don't think that's
Speaker 4: a coincidence. Now I can't prove this, I absolutely can't
Speaker 4: prove it. But if you look at his track record,
Speaker 4: and you look at his inability to actually make an
Speaker 4: argument with the slightest bit of pushback, you might conclude
Speaker 4: that this man is not not a historian, not an
Speaker 4: honest actor, not a debate participant, not an author, none
Speaker 4: of these things. He's a propagandist. And I have to wonder,
Speaker 4: and I do, just being honest, I do wonder it
Speaker 4: if he's not an intelligence asset. This is the type
Speaker 4: of guy that you would want just put it like this.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he is, but would you like to
Speaker 4: have some high falutin, very intelligent sounding, despite not being
Speaker 4: very intelligent, type of guy that can go along and
Speaker 4: go around rather on the media circuit and just say
Speaker 4: you must understand that the Hamas will not accept anything
Speaker 4: short of the complete destruction of Israel, and therefore there
Speaker 4: is no choice. Sure, sure, yes, the death of innocence
Speaker 4: is always tragic, But forty fifty small drop in the bucket.
Speaker 4: Have I told you what happened on October seventh, Maybe
Speaker 4: I could remind you. Maybe we could circle back to that,
Speaker 4: Maybe we could stirkle back to the beginning of this war.
Speaker 4: Now to give Dave a little bit of criticism, even
Speaker 4: though he doesn't really deserve it. The one thing that
Speaker 4: I really, I really thought he should have done, he
Speaker 4: should have taken Murray into deep waters and drowned his ass.
Speaker 4: He doesn't know fucking any like. I sensed this very
Speaker 4: early on. This happened very similarly with the debate I
Speaker 4: did with.
Speaker 2: That Austin guy. I won't even give him the plug.
Speaker 4: But he didn't know the dates. He didn't know the
Speaker 4: history of Israel Palestine, he didn't know the history of
Speaker 4: the creation of Israel.
Speaker 2: He didn't know any of it.
Speaker 4: And I don't know this for a fact, but I
Speaker 4: suspect strongly that if Dave had had done that, he
Speaker 4: would have demonstrated very rapidly that Douglas Murray does not
Speaker 4: know this case. He does not know that this conflict
Speaker 4: or the history therein and I thought he had a
Speaker 4: real opportunity to just absolutely beat him down with that.
Speaker 4: And the reason I strongly believe that, on top of
Speaker 4: the fact that he didn't demonstrate a real breath of
Speaker 4: knowledge when it came to the modern times, is that
Speaker 4: he was constantly, I mean so much so that he
Speaker 4: spent the first forty five minutes of a three hour
Speaker 4: debate putting Dave and Rogan on the back foot. That
Speaker 4: to me is indicative of someone who cannot win on
Speaker 4: the merit of their argument. If you put your opponent
Speaker 4: on their back foot, put them on the defensive, well
Speaker 4: then it's going to be much harder for them to
Speaker 4: dig into your ideology and point out the flaws in it.
Speaker 4: So you spend the first full I'm not exaggerated, the
Speaker 4: full hour of it was not at all about this
Speaker 4: debate on hand. This was just about spinning and framing
Speaker 4: to try and put your opponent on the back foot.
Speaker 4: Had they actually had three hours, I know Dave would
Speaker 4: have gotten here. So this is why I'm not being
Speaker 4: very critical of him. But that was not accidental. I
Speaker 4: think that Douglas Murray went into this debate nervous. I
Speaker 4: think that he knew that he could not win on
Speaker 4: the marriage of his argument on top of the fact
Speaker 4: that we have eighteen months of footage and the destruction
Speaker 4: and public popular support is waning. If not adamantly opposed
Speaker 4: to this conflict, certainly America funding it, we're opposed to
Speaker 4: that for sure.
Speaker 2: So I think that.
Speaker 4: That's that's really why he approached it this way, despite
Speaker 4: the fact that, yeah, sure it may have. It may
Speaker 4: have prevented him from demonstrating a severe lack of depth
Speaker 4: when it comes to this topic. What it did do
Speaker 4: is show how unbelievably smarmy he is and just make
Speaker 4: I think anybody that came into this thing without a
Speaker 4: firm opinion on one side or the other despise him
Speaker 4: like that was that was the main pitfall in that strategy.
Speaker 4: Sure he didn't he wasn't totally unmasked as being a
Speaker 4: rube when it come to this when it comes to
Speaker 4: this issue, But it did demonstrate his character, his condescension,
Speaker 4: his unbelievable you know, he just it was so obvious
Speaker 4: he was looking down on both Dave and Joe like
Speaker 4: and everybody in the audience. I mean, basically what he's
Speaker 4: saying to you by by Lambad sing Rogan about his
Speaker 4: guest selection is that your audience isn't intelligent enough to
Speaker 4: listen to an opinion that they don't agree with and
Speaker 4: not just adopt it as their own. This is the
Speaker 4: exact same argumentation that Sam Harris has been making as
Speaker 4: of late. Basically, anybody that was like anti woke warrior,
Speaker 4: not anybody, but a lot of the intellectuals, a lot
Speaker 4: of the like former lefty academics that came out strongly
Speaker 4: against the woke onslaught in twenty sixteen through twenty as
Speaker 4: soon as Israel was in a war, Suddenly none of
Speaker 4: those lessons were extrapolated forward. They just completely circled back
Speaker 4: to all of the woke tactics, including the iron law
Speaker 4: of Wolke projection Colling by James Lindsay, which they now
Speaker 4: utilize against us by calling us the woke right, despite
Speaker 4: the fact that they are in fact explicitly that they
Speaker 4: are the woke right.
Speaker 2: But that's woke projection.
Speaker 4: So just as the woke left was constantly calling you
Speaker 4: a racist while they were saying that, you know, white
Speaker 4: people deserve less rights, and you like, well that seems
Speaker 4: pretty racist, Well you can't say that because you don't
Speaker 4: have power, right, or you do have power. Rather, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just all an absurdity. And I think that what's
Speaker 4: most important about what Dave has been doing. He speaks
Speaker 4: in a common man parlance. He's able to convey his
Speaker 4: ideas in kind of an every man type of way,
Speaker 4: and I think because of that he reaches people. It's
Speaker 4: a much more approachable way of communicating with people, contrary
Speaker 4: to Murray's posh you know, no, do do do do?
Speaker 4: I think that Dave's way of doing that and having
Speaker 4: the truth on his side and having the facts on
Speaker 4: his side and being able to be honest about everything
Speaker 4: enables him to reach people that otherwise we wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to reach. Like if you just had if there
Speaker 4: was two academics there, it would have been people would
Speaker 4: have came away, probably split and just agreeing with whoever
Speaker 4: they lean towards in the beginning. But I think Dave
Speaker 4: really swayed a lot of people because of Douglas Murray's attitude.
Speaker 4: While Dave's attitude was like one of genuine concern for
Speaker 4: the plight of the Palestinians and for the israelis much
Speaker 4: more kind of just a humanistic approach to this conversation.
Speaker 4: Some people will say that's appealed to emotion, but I
Speaker 4: think when you're talking about the death of forty or
Speaker 4: fifty zer innocent people like you ought to have some
Speaker 4: emotion about this. So I didn't have a problem with that.
Speaker 4: But I think the most most important thing that Dave's
Speaker 4: done is that he has shattered time and time again,
Speaker 4: You and I and everybody else in this world has
Speaker 4: done the same.
Speaker 2: But Dave's done it on a very high level.
Speaker 4: Is that he has shattered the expert class narrative, the
Speaker 4: myth that there are only certain people that you must
Speaker 4: tune into to get your news, your information, your analysis,
Speaker 4: your political commentary. This is exactly the type of nonsense
Speaker 4: that he dealt with with Cuomo when he debated him
Speaker 4: last year, which I was there for. There is just
Speaker 4: there is just no There is no defense for this
Speaker 4: any longer. You either have the facts, you either have
Speaker 4: the arguments, or you don't. And time and time again,
Speaker 4: myself and Dave and Tom and everybody else. Scott Horden
Speaker 4: Obviously we have proven with our track record that despite
Speaker 4: not being experts in some of these arenas, we are
Speaker 4: interested in the truth and therefore our analysis, our commentary
Speaker 4: in real time demonstrates a track record that is far
Speaker 4: more accurate than the experts.
Speaker 2: That's a fact. And Dave said it during the debate.
Speaker 4: He said, sure, I'm not an expert, but I will
Speaker 4: put my fucking track record against any of the experts
Speaker 4: during the lockdown era, and you tell me who was
Speaker 4: closer to the truth, and it's not close. All of
Speaker 4: us were far closer to the truth than the experts.
Speaker 4: So I think that's the most important thing is that
Speaker 4: Dave is basically a populous god king. At this point,
Speaker 4: he is arguing on behalf of the little guy. He's
Speaker 4: arguing on behalf of the independent minded, non tribal just like,
Speaker 4: do you want to know the truth or don't You
Speaker 4: don't give me your honorifics, don't give me your degrees,
Speaker 4: don't give me the books that you've read, don't give
Speaker 4: me where you've traveled to give me a fucking argument,
Speaker 4: or get the hell out of here. And in that environment, yeah,
Speaker 4: even a lowly, non college educated comedian like Dave Smith
Speaker 4: can dunk on and embarrass one of the most highly
Speaker 4: touted academics in the past twenty years. That's the new
Speaker 4: world we live in. The expert classes has basically created
Speaker 4: their own grave and Coffin and Dave Smith just slowly driving.
Speaker 2: Nails one and a half or the other.
Speaker 4: Cuomo bang, Douglas Murray bang, Fauci bang. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 4: That's that's our job. It's not because we hate these
Speaker 4: people as individuals, but because they're deceptive, Like it's the
Speaker 4: I don't even look at them as individuals. I look
Speaker 4: at them as like an amalgamation of propagandistic actors that
Speaker 4: deceive the public. And we're the whole reason that Dave
Speaker 4: and I have any audience, any of us have any audience,
Speaker 4: is because we just seek out the truth and we
Speaker 4: try and tell our audiences the truth. What a novel concept,
Speaker 4: But that's how rare it had been, that's how unheard
Speaker 4: of this was forever, and now it's not because we
Speaker 4: have this kind of democratization of news conveyance through the
Speaker 4: Internet and social media, and now despite whether or not
Speaker 4: you get a gig at CNN or Fox News, it's
Speaker 4: not really relevant. It's going to come down to did
Speaker 4: you get it right. If you didn't, you lose audience.
Speaker 4: You get it right, your audience grows. That's the free market.
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers learn how to play in it.
Speaker 5: Do you think you've had enough people on who are
Speaker 5: supportive by the war?
Speaker 1: I don't know that word enough.
Speaker 2: If that's a good word.
Speaker 5: Let's say, let's say enough people who are on the
Speaker 5: side of Isabel instead of wild critics.
Speaker 1: Well, I've had a few. I mean, I believe God
Speaker 1: said is on the side of Israel, for sure. Jordan
Speaker 1: is on the side of Israel. Yeah, Mike Baker hughes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hold.
Speaker 2: Them and did it for twenty minutes. It wasn't why
Speaker 2: he was here.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, none of them and none of them
Speaker 1: is why they're here. You know, it's a good question.
Speaker 5: Do you think you've tilted one way?
Speaker 1: Me personally? No, no, no, just with the guests, the guests, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably more tilted towards the idea that perhaps the way
Speaker 1: they've done it is barbaric.
Speaker 5: But why do you think that is just out of interesting,
Speaker 5: just because it's interesting in your selection to guess.
Speaker 2: Because you're like the world's number one podcast.
Speaker 4: Your lamentations mean nothing, The cries of your women mean nothing.
Speaker 4: Bring your people before me. Uh, Look, it's over for
Speaker 4: y'all it's over. If you're the expert class, you should
Speaker 4: have no problem dismantling, dismantling someone like Dave Smith, because
Speaker 4: he's such a rube, he's such an every man, he
Speaker 4: doesn't know anything, he's never even been to Gaza. Well,
Speaker 4: then why did you get trounced, Douglas, Why did you
Speaker 4: get flatlined in front of fucking fifteen or twenty million people?
Speaker 4: Because you're a fraud and the entire expert class is
Speaker 4: a fraud, and they have been demonstrated to be a
Speaker 4: fraud empirically over the past five years, much longer than that,
Speaker 4: but it's become glaringly obvious for anyone with eyes to
Speaker 4: see and ears to hear that you are fraudulent actors,
Speaker 4: and we're not playing your game anymore. You don't get
Speaker 4: to dictate who the guest list for Joe Rogan or
Speaker 4: the largest show on Earth will be. You don't get
Speaker 4: to say because there are no gatekeepers anymore. You will
Speaker 4: get known based off of your merits, and if you
Speaker 4: get well known enough, you might get invited on Joe Rogan,
Speaker 4: and if you get really well known, you might get
Speaker 4: invited on there, and they get your fucking ass kicked
Speaker 4: in front of the entire world by a stand up
Speaker 4: comic Eat shit, Douglas Murray. Welcome to Liberty lockdown, ple's
Speaker 4: stand your foc to liberty ain't come, but yeah it's
Speaker 4: on hold. Where did it come from and where did
Speaker 4: it go