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Speaker 1: Hello lazies, gentleman, Welcome back to the Penguin Review Series,

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Episode six. I'm the clown Prince of podcast Trust. Now

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I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I am Sophia's Shoulder, Kirk Colempatsy.

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Speaker 1: I just saw that.

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Speaker 3: I am the Mushrooms Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: There you go, laizes Himan. Yes, we are talking about

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episode six, as I just said, of a show that

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you know what every week when Sunday rolls around, he's like,

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oh fuck, yeah, it's Penguin, you know, like I had

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that the whole day. It's a football. But still it's

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just like, that's just we still got three episodes. But

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just sucks now that we're in the official back half

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because I'm thinking about, like, man, we're almost done. This

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show's gonna be done. We still got two years till

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the Batman. But lo and behold, at least it's good

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or is it still good? I don't know. We'll find out.

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And Kirklan he starts off obviously we maybe we'll revisit

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the Shoulder when we get into spoilers.

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Speaker 2: But that's a bit spoiler.

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Speaker 1: Looks like that left the impression on you. But what

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do you think about this episode?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I Uh, I still think the show is immaculate.

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I think it's fantastic. I think it's it's still just

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the best thing to be watching every week. And yeah,

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I like you, Sundays is just like a big viewing

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day for me now, especially F one's done their summer break,

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so they came back for a race to day, so

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it was like football race and then watch this after

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a little bit more football. So it's a lot of

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just viewing today. But no, definitely ends it off in

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a nice, nice, nice way. It would be terrible to

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end all that viewing which is a gone awful episode.

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And now that we're in the back half of this series,

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it's nice that I definitely feel like things are ramping up,

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Like after this episode, it feels like we're getting into

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I don't know, just danger territory. This whole season's felt

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like that, but now it's like really just amping up

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with I think just some of the moves certain people

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are making now, and a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Moves this episode. People are moving shaking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: A lot of heat going on, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of heat going on. Maybe not enough with some things,

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but maybe too much for others.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps I don't really know what else to say.

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I feel like, coming off of last week's episode, this

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might be like a minor step down, just because last

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week's episode, I think, I think that was my favorite

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episode so far of the season. Tough to kind of

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match that, but this is still like, I don't know,

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like plug like over nine, over nine out of ten.

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Maybe maybe closer to ten out of anything, but just

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comparing to last week's episode, I think it's not quite there.

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But yeah, I know it's still still super fantastic. Yeah, no,

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I'll just I'll just save it there else, I'll save

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that in the shoulder for later.

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Speaker 3: Mister Field, this episode was fucking awesome. Oh my gosh.

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She having to have a little bit of story in

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the past couple of episodes, just the history with our

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some of our characters and whatnot. Finally getting to this though,

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and seeing just how the current situation has just blown

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up and seeing how Oz is handling it. Absolutely love it.

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I think it was great. I am just I'm over

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the moon. When certain things were just happening in this episode,

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certain decisions and just certain plays that were going down,

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they can holy shit, this is crazy. It's just it's

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nuts and I love not being able to necessarily keep

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up with certain things that happen. There's one there's one

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character in here that you think they're going one way

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with the with their story, and then it just immediately,

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just without a second's thought, it just changes. It's like,

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holy fuck, like they just did that. Okay, I thought

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they were going a completely different route, but no, you

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len okay that this this person was brought into this

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specific situation just to set this specific tone for other characters.

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they are heavily impacting the main character that we're dealing with,

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and it's part. It's just it's overall, it's fantastic. I'm

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excited to break down into spoilers because this show's so

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fun fucking good. I I just I love I love

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the writing of this, and it's yeah, it's there need

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to be there needs to be more shows written like

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this and just have a great character depth and motivations so.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you might have to specify, like

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in this genre, I feel like there's lots of shows

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like this that we're probably not reviewing, you know, that

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have great writing, Like like you're you're you didn't pole

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back five seasons of Succession, which is supposed to be

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like one of the best shows of all time.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll give it a watch. I'll let you know.

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If it's the Penguin tier, I think.

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Speaker 1: It's probably on par with it. That's next on my bucket.

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I just here. It's like fucking a class. So I

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bet there's there's lots of shows great, right, and there's

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just too much stuff to watch, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it's true. I'll I'll have to give that

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a go and see it's us up there.

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Speaker 1: Suppressions to or suppressions, suppressions sopranos, especially if you're like

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in the mobster stuff. That's that this show is pretty

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much red. Yeah, watching suppressions. No, at least Daredevil, I

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think you're gonna really enjoy because I don't think it's

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I think it has like a lot of isms, like

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the crime stuff and crime syndicate stuff. So I think

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if that transitions for people that don't know kirk lanon

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dated Darrevil March fifth, So each season is gonna get

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a month coming up in December and on. But Uh, yeah,

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it had, like especially the Kingpin storylines definitely has Penguin

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elk and I think it's That's where I was talking

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about with Mike as he was saying that today too,

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And it's tough to disagree. It's so hard with combook

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shows because there's some that are like Watchmen, where it's

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there's another one, Tayo, you didn't watch the Watchman TV

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show fantastic, right? Would I would consider that that. It's

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to me, it's daredeviln Watchman. Those are the top two.

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But it's so hard even with Penguin to combine them now,

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right or compare them, because like Daredevil three soon to

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before season show, where Watchmen it's just like a one

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and done season that's said, here's the story, and that's

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what Penguin's gonna kind of be. But at the same time,

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like I guess you could, you could still watch Penguin

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without the Batman, but you still need like a little

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bit of context. But yeah, no, I don't have I

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feel like every week do the same kind of nonslow

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as opening. That's it doesn't last long. I don't have

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much to say. The show continues to be great. I

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really have no notes everything that I go, oh, what

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are they gonna do with this? They they answer it.

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that it's a negative, like this doesn't make sense, but

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just like okay, they present an issue or problem. There's

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things I Wonderkay, how will this work and what they're

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gonna do. And there's many times shows that we review

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that that doesn't happen. They just skip those steps like oh,

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well this is happening now you go, okay, cool. I

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guess I'm just supposed to like it. Hey, but this show,

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there's two things. In particular, last week, I would say

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with Sophia's storyline, I was like, okay, you kind of

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have to you're juggling this for me to buy in,

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evidence aka just good writing of how can we get

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from point A to point B? And to me, they

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did it, and I continue to be floored by her.

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kill it. But it feels like definitely this episode last week,

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like Penguin's still in this a lot more than it

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wasn't last week. But this still feels like a big

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a big coming out party for Sophia. We'll talk about

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her name in a little bit here, but yeah, I

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loved it, very very fun surprise appearance by a character.

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just a mior character from The Batman. But again, yeah,

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supermany flew in. But yeah, it's stuff that they continue

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to make the world feel very connected to The Batman.

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so far I still don't feel like if you don't

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watch the Penguin, you're not gonna get Batman too. Have

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not seen Batmanto, But just to be the way they're

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layering these characters, it's like, oh, that's really cool and

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it's a perfect spot for this character to be. So yeah,

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another just kind of like knockout episode. I'm very excited

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to see because, like Terry's alluding the the State, I

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think the stakes are as high as they can get. Now.

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carnage and fall out of what's gonna happen. But I'm

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very curious and I'm just curious how our man Oz

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does anyone have a place at there? I want to

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go to Sophia first with talk about that shoulder, So, yeah,

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how do you feel about the shoulder going on?

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Speaker 2: I feel pretty bad about that shoulder, you know what

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I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: Right? Oh? Yeah, grotesque.

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Speaker 2: The camera angle that they had too is just really

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highlighted on it, and I imagine those are just injuries

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from her Arkham days, okay, when she was going through

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her treatments, and yeah, her battle scars definitely add some

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some scariness factor. I feel like ever since last week's episode,

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she's been just portrayed as a scarier character. Even when

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like she's like air quote, you know, playing the victim

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card when the cops like come to the house. She

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didn't seem like like it was a big tragedy surprise

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from her perspective, like to the cop. But she also

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didn't seem like she needed to be like like playing

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that card, like it's kind of like, yeah, now that happened,

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and this is what's happening going forward. And I don't know,

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I just feel like her whole character has had like

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a major I don't know, just just shift in her.

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I don't know her her persona maybe like like just

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the way that she carries herself. Not necessarily just from

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last week, but I feel like the last two episodes

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really like she just seems like she's a lot more

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in charge, but also like dead set on her goal

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and like not really worried about like how it might

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affect like certain moves that she's making. It's just skating out.

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This is what we're doing, and this is what we're

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gonna do now, Like I am calling the shots. And

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she made the shots in this week's episode with execution

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on Johnny, which what a roller coaster of a two

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days for that guy. She was going like through the

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Jesse Pinkman treatment of being all strapped in the cold

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and then he's wearing a suit and then you know,

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a couple of minutes later is getting shot in the head.

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But yeah, no, for Sophia, I'm I'm getting scared for

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the world of Gotham and the the others that are

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gonna be facing her wrath.

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Speaker 1: Yeah again, I'm still very convinced that she dies or

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ends up in Arkham. But with each pass week even

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more so, I was like, Man, I'd really like this

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character being the Batman too. And the whole situation that's

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going on with Maroney, which we'll talk about later. I

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don't think he can happen because I don't think they

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can co exist with Oz and I think at the

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end of the series, one of these things gotta give.

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But no, she's continued to be, you know, great intimidy.

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I feel like they did a good job of Okay,

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last week they show that there was a sympathetic side

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to her, still in a mob family, still didn't ask questions,

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Still her dad gone, you know, was being asked by

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her dad. But still is like, okay, maybe he got

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a bad rap, right, But I still feel like this

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week enforced that. Okay, she had some sympathetic things in

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her past, but she's still gonna be a crime boss

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and still gonna be she like, she could have just

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con run, she could have killed that family, got that

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money and left, but no, she wants to run the

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crime organization wants to take over Gotham and sorry, like,

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if you're taking over Gotham, you're not like a good person,

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Like like Bruce Wayne is not trying to take over Gotham.

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He's trying to like release it of anything, right, So

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it's like anybody, it's like, we can take it over.

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It's like, well, I get and that's why I'm fine

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with the character. That's a good trajection, but that that

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I think also helps for us making her not like, oh,

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she's such a good person. I can't believe Oz is

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doing this tour where it's like there's definitely some of that,

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but there's some of this where she could have gone

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off scott free. Who knows how much money was in

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that bag, but there's enough money for people to be

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fighting over it and like taking it. That's blood dripped money,

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literally blood dripped money. So probably millions upon millions of dollars.

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She could have been out of there. Easy change your

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last name, go live a good life, take Julian Rush,

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go fuck them on the beach somewhere. But no, she's

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in it to win it. And yeah they had Johnny Vie,

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which I'm happy. Last week they talked about or I asked, like, Okay,

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why is Johnny alive? Probably has to because the money,

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right exactly. Was also to like get a little respect.

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She learned like a little bit about her mom. But

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it was also like like nothing's gonna say. Like it

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wasn't like a brand new information. It's like, okay, sure

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you she was gonna run away, it doesn't matter. She

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kind of figured out her dad killed her mom, so

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it's like a big reveal. But yeah, Johnny viny which

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was funny that she pointed out. And I think this

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was her whole pitch to everybody, right that Okay, look

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at this money. You worked very hard, my father and

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everyone held it back. We're gonna go buy. I can't

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remember the new name.

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Speaker 3: Jitar, but that's that's the.

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Speaker 1: Shitani is the toast. Yeah, what's the last name.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like Gante or.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, no more speaking of Carmari Falcone more, that's dead.

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We got a new family name. We're gonna share all

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the money. I think they was very specific that she

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said none of us are made man in here except

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for Johnny, and then she killed them because like in mafia,

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in real life, you never kill made man because there's

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like huge, like huge punishments and I'm there's a word

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I just can't literally forgot here, but ramification repercussions. Thank

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you Kirkland of made men untouchable, right, And that's why

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it's a big deal for you be one. So that's

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why I think she's literally showing this is the new

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era because we are like, we're the underlings and here's

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one of the last made man the old family, and

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I just fucking kill them. That's how it's gonna go.

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It's not like people aren't over us. So, like I said,

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I was wondering, Okay, how's she gonna get the money

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last week that work with Johnny, and then how's she

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gonna get the families? Well, Johnny was like the the

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meet cue of like, oh, let's just sit down and talk,

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and then she made a good pitch, killed them and

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then gave them a bunch of money and they were

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just criminals. They're like, oh on bard. So again, what

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a perfect setup and too bad. I kind of actually

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would have liked maybe one more episode of Johnny being

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scared shitless because I love that actor. I think he's

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a great job on anything he's in, and that whole thing.

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When he's like, she's like, oh yeah, let's just talk

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about the elf in the room. I killed them all

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and he's like, oh my god, what are you doing?

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Like I would have liked one more episode of him

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just being squirrel, Like fuck, I hate my life. But

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he was a fun character nonetheless to have around. But

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another member of the Falcony family gone, Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they all cease to exist now. And

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so I think that's what really really caught me by

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a surprise, because I thought, holy shit, like he sold

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whatever bullshit he was trying to to Sofia, and now

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he's here and he's like a second in command kind

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of guy would know it was all just deployed just

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to ye execute him in front of everyone and just

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dump all the blood.

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Speaker 1: And Madison's why didn't get the money? She needed that

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money too, Remember she.

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Speaker 3: Needed the money too. Madison's like, why, well the money

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now all bloody and covered in blood, like what are

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you gonna do? Like, well, you just take a couple

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of those bills off, It's fine. Like those guys didn't

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seem to care. They were taking that money that was

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lit some mad stacks of fifties.

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Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, I think in the businesses

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they work what, they're not going to care, Like even

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a bank, Like if they strong arm somebody like you're

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gonna take this bloody money, they're probably just gonna take it, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. But she's turned into such

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a crazy powerhouse. I am really really enjoying her character.

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Holy shit, she's just she was scary in those trailers

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that they were setting up in the show initially before

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we started watching it, And so when we actually got

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the show and we saw her, I thought, okay, well,

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like she's definitely going through like a journey now, but

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it didn't feel like she was super threatening because we

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had the family, and I thought the family is just

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going to kind of be present in the background while

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she's doing her own thing. But now, yeah, she's killed

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them and she's making plays with Moroni here. It's just

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fucking crazy what is going on? And I just I

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feel like her killing the family. You see it with

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Oz like he I don't think he expected that. I

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really don't think so when he saw it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly when we wanted to push the FIA,

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It's like no, no, I like that. Even his girlfriend

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was like no, like just got the ship already, because

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she's like He's like, yeah, Luca, and now this is

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exactly what we want Sophia to do. And she's she's

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like no, man, like I can tell you're just like

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spinning wheels here. So yeah, I don't think he thought that,

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but now he's trying to take credit that he like

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pushed her in that direction, like no.

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Speaker 3: And I think initially like his his plan, if it

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worked out, would have been, Okay, you you're you're, you're,

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you're basically like clipped. Your wings are clipped because you're

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you failed your own empire, and the Maroni's just like

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try to let you up, and now you're gonna go back.

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And it almost worked like the Falcones were gonna send

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you away to Italy or we're gonna like cast you out.

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But she took the upper hand and she killed them,

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which is not something OZ was counting on. If that worked,

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and like she did get out, then like she would

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have taken the fall for everything. OZ would have gotten

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away Scott free still being able to play the Falcones,

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and then he would have been able to play his

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movie against the Maronis, which his move against the Maronis

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was it. I give him so much credit because it

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almost fucking worked out, but he definitely dis dished out

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like ninety nine percent damage. I'd say to him, I

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guess to the Maroney family right now.

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Speaker 1: So yes, and no, he did to like the Direct family.

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But now for the extended family, it's really bad because

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I feel that that's where I'm because you still.

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Speaker 3: Got the main family, Like Salvator is still kicking around, right,

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so he still got the power.

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Speaker 1: But like, oh yeah, that's why I said, just the

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direction to the Direct family, he did so much shit.

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But I feel like, now if they're gonna partner with Sofia,

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that's why I'm just so curious, like how does Oz

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get out of this? Because I feel like the speech

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that Sofia gave to those criminals, I feel like Oz

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could have made that speech right of oh, we're the

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underlings where the you know people, we take shit and everything.

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Speaker 3: And he kind of did right to his three boys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but again his three boys, like his three boys

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and Victor, and then that's why I it's just like

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I'm very curious, how do that Sofia gets this trust

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gives them money? How does Penguin get those people, right,

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And maybe it's just the thing of like, Okay, he

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kills her and they just follow him. But I hope

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it's a bit more deeper than that, because I want

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there to be a reason why would they trust Oz.

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And same thing with the Maroni. He's like, I don't

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think the people like if he kills Salvator, I don't

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think they're gonna be like, oh yeah, he killed Salvatore,

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he burned his son and his wife, like we should

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follow them. Like That's where I'm very curious how they

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get Oz back on top of the situation. And what

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I love about it is like I don't know particularly,

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I don't have like a clear line of oh it's X,

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Y and Z right because I didn't I until the

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very end, I didn't see the Maroni Sofia combo coming.

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Once she had her little speech, I'm like, oh, she's

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gonna work with him because exactly like she said, right,

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She's like, oh, well, OZ wants me to kill you,

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but I don't want to do that. I want to

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make like a truce. And I did like where he's like,

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oh yeah, I've never I would never ever partner with

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a Falcone. She's like well, good thing. You know, I'm

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not a Falcone, like it's a new family. So it's like, okay,

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that's a fun little twist there, And I was just

467
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,759
very happy that I was bummed for a second when

468
00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:07,400
the guard was shiving Clancy Brown, like, oh fuck, he's

469
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,240
never getting out of there, you know, he's just dying

470
00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:13,359
in prison. But a good cutaway and uh yeah, like

471
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,240
a one two punch there or something about where Penguin

472
00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:18,319
they make this deal. He kidnaps Maroney's son. He wants

473
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,880
his bliss back, so they're gonna make a trade. It's

474
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,480
Maroney's wife and him with the son. They make the trade.

475
00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:28,640
But uh, she had some extra people up top, you know,

476
00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:31,839
scouting Penguin good Shot and his buddy good Shot caught

477
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,799
out of it. But I do gotta laugh that. Okay,

478
00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:36,839
he doused the sun in gasoline. He goes to hug

479
00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:38,680
his mom Penguin, which I knew that's what it was.

480
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,519
Penguin has a lighter throws it sets from fire. That's

481
00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,000
where it's like, Penguin's so great and an idiot because

482
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,200
his fire is what caused like the alarms and everything

483
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,720
to go off and shoot the stuff down and that

484
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,440
killed the fucking mushrooms. But he's just smiling like he's

485
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,039
And again I think they did a good job of

486
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,400
I understand, like a criminal needs to make a move

487
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,880
to be a bad guy, but they should like smiling

488
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,200
at them burning. It's like, well, that fucked up, like so,

489
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,119
but I love that Oz kind of he fucked himself

490
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,079
with the mushrooms. That was his fault. If he would

491
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,640
he could have just shot them. He didn't have to

492
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,720
get so cocky like to set them on fire, but

493
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,039
no him, Like it's like that's like a classic OZ thing,

494
00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,640
one step forward, two steps back. And then also Maroney

495
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,519
got out the assassination went poorly, and then he calls

496
00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,720
to gloat about it. But now Maroney's team of Sophia.

497
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,160
So again that's what it's like. Sure he got two

498
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,680
barrels of mushrooms, but now it's like, okay, all the

499
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,279
Maronis are gonna be after him, and now all the

500
00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,519
Sophia's the new name, are gonna be after him. So

501
00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:37,640
it's like he made a big play but almost made

502
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,640
it much worse. You know.

503
00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved how like terrified he was too like

504
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,400
after that because it was like a big all for

505
00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:45,400
like all the in move that he was doing, he

506
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,279
would have basically taken out like the whole head of

507
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,480
the Maroni's right with the son, the wife and then

508
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,119
Salvator himself. And I I really liked what happened there.

509
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,920
I found like both with sal getting out and uh

510
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,799
like the mom dying like a bit of like a

511
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,319
really like a bit of a stretch there. Like like

512
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:09,119
like with sal so what he gets stabbed by the cop,

513
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,839
just beats the shit out of the cop, takes his

514
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,160
keys and then escapes the prison, Like are you serious

515
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,400
right now? Like what it.

516
00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: Does feel like I agree with you, takes in that.

517
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,599
I'm happy it happened because I want him out playing

518
00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:22,599
with the characters. But it is like, how come I

519
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:25,720
didn't do this like years ago? We're like pretty easy

520
00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:27,799
to like you just need keys to get out? Yeah,

521
00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:28,000
I know.

522
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: Like like I feel like there's a lot more guards

523
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,480
and like security cameras and checkpoints like in the in

524
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:34,519
the Black Capers and.

525
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: No I will I would I would think so.

526
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,079
Speaker 2: So he just has a trapdoor like in his cell

527
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,920
that he just took to his cabin in the woods.

528
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,640
Like it just seemed like like such a jump from

529
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:47,200
what was going on where he's getting stabbed too. He's

530
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,200
just home and yeah, like you motherfucker you sent the

531
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,960
guy with the keys. Sucks to you now, and not

532
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,680
like like it was just like oh wow, okay, that

533
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,559
was pretty easy for him to get out. And then

534
00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,119
the other one was like I have no issues with

535
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,160
him greasing up the sun and then doing like the

536
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,480
fire execution. That's always a bad, badass move. But when

537
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:12,759
the mom just like grabbed like instantly gets lit up

538
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,920
as well, like like she just like doesn't like let

539
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,519
go of the kid, Like it just seemed like instantly

540
00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:20,160
she was just as on fire as the sun was.

541
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: Well, Madison was like, couldn't you smell the gasoline?

542
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,279
Speaker 2: Like yeah, was all for sure, like kerosene or something

543
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,160
whatever the hell they have them coated, and and I

544
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,200
think it was just like how fast it happens, Like Okay,

545
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480
it's one thing that the sun's gonna light up and

546
00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,039
burn right in front of the mother, Like that's a

547
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:36,720
big that's already a fucked up move, but like it

548
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:39,000
just instantly lights up the mom And I'm like, what,

549
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,880
like really like she went off a whole u she

550
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,759
got the oil dry?

551
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: No, I don't.

552
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: It was so it was so quick though, like how

553
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:49,720
instantly she got lit up.

554
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,079
Speaker 1: Okay, I will say that that's true. I could believe

555
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,559
she's go on fire, but she gone fire, and then

556
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,480
when was looked back, she was like Freddy Krueger her

557
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:56,960
entire she.

558
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,599
Speaker 2: Was just like, yeah she was. She was dead at

559
00:24:58,599 --> 00:24:59,960
that point, like she wasn't even burning a lot.

560
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: What I wonder bring with sal though, is I wonder

561
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,640
because we had talked about this in episode one where

562
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,039
it's like, Okay, he's in prison, but like he seems

563
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:10,720
pretty comfortable there and they were still wanting running operations.

564
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:14,119
I wonder if just because he the assassination attempt happened,

565
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,160
if he felt I gotta get the fuck out of here,

566
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,000
Like my what I'm head? Yes, but it's like, okay,

567
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:22,839
easier to stay in here, like it's just playing ball,

568
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,799
you still got your wife. It's like it could be

569
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,480
something for safety whatever. So that's where I think that

570
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,359
maybe because things were getting so bad, he's like, I

571
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,400
get out here now. They didn't say that. They could

572
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,079
still say that because the show's done that many times

573
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:35,359
where I have a question, then the show I answers like, oh, okay,

574
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,240
but if not, Yeah, I agree, it's a little quick.

575
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,640
But that's where my head canon is that he knows

576
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,240
that if he's if there's assassinations at tent on his life,

577
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,599
he's probably especially because the fucking cop is like Oswald

578
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,920
says hello, Like it's not even like.

579
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,599
Speaker 2: Who could it be, It's like that's red.

580
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: That's how bold Oz was the thing that makes you

581
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,079
say my name when you kill him, Like that's a

582
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:58,599
if it goes great fine, but it doesn't. So that's

583
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:01,519
where maybe he's hears that call up kills them. Okay,

584
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:03,599
I get fuck, I gotta get the fuck out of here.

585
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,759
And then unfortunately now he's a widower, so it's.

586
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: Not even that big of a deal, like like it

587
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,200
is just like a minor thing. But I feel like

588
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,119
it's the first time this show that I've been like

589
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,559
that's kind of inconsistent or like that's not as clean

590
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,680
of an execution that they've had elsewhere. So it just

591
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,240
speaks to the quality of the show yea all around.

592
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,640
And I think it's also one thing that like when

593
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,279
sal gets stabbed and then phones Oz, like that's really

594
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,440
close to when like the mom and the son die.

595
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,920
So it was just like two things back to back

596
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,000
where I'm like, really, okay, that just seemed a little

597
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,759
lazy how we got there. I think I would have

598
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,240
been right there with you on the head canning if

599
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,720
he didn't say, like, oh, you said the guy with

600
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,599
the keys, And that's how I got out, Like like

601
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,039
he goes through the effort of saying that it's just

602
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:45,759
I don't know. Again, it's kind of nitpicky, but it

603
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:47,000
still kind of made me chuckle.

604
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have chuckled, but I did. When Salvator called up,

605
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,440
ohz and it's like like, I know where you are now.

606
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,759
You said a bitch, you're cooked, and I knew, oh yeah,

607
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:00,440
you want to cook. Well, you try calling your your wife.

608
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,599
Speaker 1: He didn't even go as bad as I thought. I

609
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,559
thought he's yeah. I thought he's gonna go much worse.

610
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,240
But uh yeah, I know Oz took out his son

611
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,960
and everything. But yeah, Roney's free. I'm very excited to

612
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,799
see him out and about. I don't think he's gonna

613
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,079
make it either, but I'm excited to see.

614
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,559
Speaker 3: Her fast food and so traveled well.

615
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,079
Speaker 2: The same cab cabin that Kurt has.

616
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,839
Speaker 1: That have been great have been a great poll but yeah,

617
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,319
I know, we talk about you made that deal with

618
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,200
them killed two of his guards, so that kind of

619
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,039
sucks for them that they deal. They died, even though

620
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:36,839
it deals being.

621
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: Or Maroney's. Maroney's are losing a lot of soldiers.

622
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: They are, and even then, it's like, uh, like only

623
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,599
two guys, you know, like you know, like I feel

624
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,519
like if if I've got a prison right, like, I

625
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,799
don't like like again, they've tried to. They've insinuate that

626
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,480
he has lots of power, maybe just because it's quick,

627
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,000
but still it's like, there's gonna be more guys out there.

628
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,359
You're a fan, like you're assuming your family was just

629
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,799
murdered and you were almost assassinate in prison, I would

630
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,000
like two guards, Like no, I think at least get

631
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,319
me a dozen or something, you know, or at least

632
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:10,839
even have one inside with me too. That's one thing

633
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:15,079
like I understood why when Julian because we talked about

634
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,240
new recruits. I imagine it's a crime show or a

635
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,799
crime you know whatever world. They patted him down before.

636
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,839
But I was like, really, would a guard just leave

637
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,279
Julian alone with her in that room? But you know,

638
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,759
I guess it's just she's a badass and that's fine,

639
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:34,279
but Julian, I can't see this was this was my

640
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,559
maybe like minor inconvenience that you had with I almost

641
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,359
called him Kurt fuck with Maroney because he talked about

642
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,759
venison in the fucking cabin. I gotta watch new Blood again.

643
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:50,160
But he's just like, well, I see things are going

644
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,079
on and it's awoken something to me, and I want in.

645
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,759
It was like I predicted last week, like she didn't

646
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,039
kill so clearly he's gonna be of some use and

647
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,039
like he has the hots for right. I wish it

648
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:03,240
was the other way that she went to him knowing like,

649
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,839
hey he can get me x Y and Z even

650
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,319
if it's like, hey she lost all those mushrooms, he's

651
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,039
an Arkham connection. You can start this back up again

652
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:14,079
for me. I just wanted him to also like pitch

653
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,519
her why, Like I'm fine because I like the actor.

654
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,200
I like weird characters. I have some sexual like induendo stuff,

655
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,599
that's fine, but like, what does he have to offer,

656
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,240
especially in this room full of like mobsters and everything,

657
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:29,640
like and I thought he was gonna announce she was

658
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,440
coming in, but no, it was Johnny Vetty. So I'm

659
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,319
not sure if he's gonna maybe take the Johnny VD

660
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,759
roll for her and be her kind of underboss. So

661
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:37,519
I want to see that progress in the next few

662
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:40,400
weeks and hopefully I get an answer there. But I

663
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,200
I knew it was coming. I just didn't feel there.

664
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240
I was like a I had like the Ryan Reynolds gift,

665
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,640
but like, but why, you know, what does he have

666
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,880
to offer. He's just a doctor right as right now,

667
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,680
he's just a doctor. I wish even then he even

668
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,839
if he came and said, hey, like I know you're

669
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:55,960
getting those drugs from Arkham, I can get you even

670
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160
more and she said okay, Like and like I said,

671
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,000
even if it was then like if Sophia just wanted

672
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,839
to fuck him and that's why he's kept around. Sure,

673
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,720
but neither from her or him. I got a reason

674
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,359
why he's around. He just says, was like something's woken

675
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,000
in me because I feel something's going on. It's like, yeah,

676
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,359
all right, bro cool. But she accepted him, so he's

677
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:15,440
a part of the family now. I guess. I don't know.

678
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,839
Speaker 2: It's funny because this episode with him, I had like

679
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,880
a similar feeling that I had with him in his

680
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:27,759
Arkham episode was that last week cardon Yeah Tantoni went wow. Okay.

681
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
So in that episode when when he's like just asking

682
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,920
her interview questions and if you if you know listeners

683
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,279
that they listened to that last week's review, I had

684
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,039
said how I was I was expecting like a twist

685
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,960
with him, that he was just like playing her all along,

686
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,799
but like really he was just I guess a good

687
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,000
guy or like felt bad in hindsight over what was

688
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,400
going on, Like he had like a moral dilemma about

689
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,079
this whole thing, and then he explained that to her

690
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:54,359
and I it just seemed like too easy for me.

691
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,079
I thought that we were gonna be getting like some

692
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,799
complex dynamic. And when he came in and he's like,

693
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:01,720
you know, all the cops were talking to me, I

694
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,160
didn't tell him anything. I'm like, man, he's playing her

695
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000
again here, Like he has to be like like this

696
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,839
make because same thing that you said, Like it was

697
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,480
a like why is he actually here if it's not

698
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,720
for some like complex reasoning on I don't know. The

699
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,400
cops have him with a wire trying to like, uh

700
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240
just bait her into saying something like that's I was

701
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,799
like ninety percent convinced that was actually happening, because it

702
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,519
just doesn't really make sense with everything else that's going on,

703
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,359
like why he would be there. It's just he's obsessed

704
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,400
with her. I guess it's like a weird spin on,

705
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,039
like almost like a Harley Quinn dynamic, where like that

706
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,720
was her therapist and now he's just kind of becoming

707
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,400
obsessed with her, and then he's just following her into

708
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:43,359
the crime world. So yeah, I am a little confused

709
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,400
on what's gonna happen with him, But I think he's

710
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,960
like a good actor, and I do like the two

711
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,400
of them on screen together, so you know, I'll be

712
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,000
patient to see what happens. But I'm right there with

713
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,440
you on just the I don't know, it seemed unnecessary

714
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,000
and I feel like they don't really they haven't really

715
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
they made an effort on to like, like, I I

716
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,079
know Sophia needs some help with you know, running Gotham,

717
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:07,480
but it's just like.

718
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: The why former doctor Julian Rush Julian Rush, Yeah, you know,

719
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,559
unless he is, like I said, unless there's I'm still

720
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:15,759
waiting for some reveal.

721
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: I'm a mushroom expert. Actually that's my That's what I

722
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,359
majored in Scarecrow.

723
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because that's John Why is his

724
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:25,240
name on Jonathan Crane.

725
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:28,799
Speaker 2: She's gonna be like, I'm gonna call you Jonathan Crane

726
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,000
now because I like that name.

727
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Moore and his nipples just gets so smile.

728
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: You're gonna get the fucking and what's it called? What's

729
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,759
that penis piercing called the Prince Albert?

730
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: Get the call the Prince Sofia though the Princess Sophia Taylor,

731
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,880
what do you think about Julian Rush? Now?

732
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,119
Speaker 2: Please don't have that in this season. Please don't bring

733
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,559
down this season quality for that.

734
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,319
Speaker 1: It's just next week you just get a full clock

735
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,559
shot of Julian Rush, Like, look, God differ Soehia, I

736
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,559
love you, trust me.

737
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: It's like the weekend song from the Grays movies that

738
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,200
starts playing.

739
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,759
Speaker 3: Earned it Yeah yeah.

740
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: And she's like then she just shoots him right after.

741
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,440
This guy's fucking weird. But Tam, what are you taking

742
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,880
from this Julian Rush connection?

743
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I mean, I I don't know. He's just

744
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,440
such a creepy guy. He probably has like as far

745
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,279
like as much as I love the show, this might

746
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,319
be just the weakest part of it. Just with his character,

747
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,759
just like walking into the room, jus Sophia is like,

748
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:35,400
why are you here?

749
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a payoff though, right though? Maybe?

750
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: So I really really do hope.

751
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,519
Speaker 1: So is there any chance he's working with Oz? Like

752
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,640
any chance? Like I feel like when we talk about

753
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,519
how could Oz make a play? I wonder if that'd

754
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,400
be a play if he's like, no, she's But at

755
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,240
the same time, it's like, then why they make him

756
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,160
so like overly horny for her? Right, Like That's where

757
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,920
I'm still I'm still wondering on him.

758
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:01,279
Speaker 3: But I don't know. If it was the OZ play,

759
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,160
I would definitely get behind that. I think that would

760
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,519
be super super fun. But yeah, he's just he's got

761
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,039
the hots for Sofia. He's overly horny. He just is

762
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,800
like can't even handle himself.

763
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:16,599
Speaker 1: So, which I understand. Powerful woman. She's great. She didn't

764
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:20,440
have a dress or tailor, but every episode she's got

765
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,239
some sick outfit.

766
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: On one Oh absolutely holy shit, so eyeliner to this

767
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,360
episode she's looking.

768
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: He was doing it for That's what he does. He's

769
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,840
her tailor and makeup. He used to dresser in Arkham,

770
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,840
so now he addresses her outside, And I guess there's

771
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,719
three episodes now, right, because this havinged a lot where

772
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,280
like Oz on the back foot, Marony and her already together,

773
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,400
so like maybe next week we'll get something more solid

774
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,760
with him and the rule the y and everything, right,

775
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,639
because especially if she we assume she's gonna die or

776
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,599
go to Arkham, what's he going to be doing?

777
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,119
Speaker 3: Right unless he's back. He's like, I'm got a job back.

778
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: At you guys need doctors, Yeah, yeah, And then he

779
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,880
goes to the middle detector, like what's that old? Uh

780
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:02,039
I gotta.

781
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: Pierce Prince Alvar called the Princess.

782
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Sofia actually, and she's just there. It's like, I'll fuck,

783
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,280
I'm stuck with this guy again. But uh yeah, we'll

784
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,880
see about her or about him.

785
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

786
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,199
Speaker 1: I think we talked about everything with Sophia. I think

787
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Maroni was a squid.

788
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Squid.

789
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: You don't remember Squid. They pulled that back in. Remember

790
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,239
Victor and Francis trying to sneak into the building and

791
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Squid saw them go in.

792
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:34,679
Speaker 1: Have we seen Squid before? I forgotten?

793
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in the flashback when they're on the

794
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,280
roof before the flood and they were talking about like

795
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,199
a squid's just a bad guy. He handles all like

796
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,079
the drops and stuff in this part of town.

797
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: Okay before we go there, because that's gonna take us

798
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,280
to like the penguin, Victor mom stuff I want to

799
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,639
show because I'm gonna forget. I love when Sofia Kirk

800
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:51,199
when you're talking about what the call up that came.

801
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,960
I love that they do. You know, then what's going

802
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,880
on the falcons? You hate them? Like, Oh, that cop.

803
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,480
I hope he's in every they don't kill him off.

804
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,519
I hope he's in every Batman movie, every Batman show.

805
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,519
What a fucking voice that guy has. He's so good.

806
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,079
And again that was such like a good little thing

807
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,119
to put in where yeah, he'd be a like he's

808
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,400
the they said police chief, right, it makes sense that

809
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,199
he's there for the death of the biggest crime boss.

810
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,239
I love that Sophia calls him out like, oh, it's

811
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,199
just are you here to celebrate here? Because you're not

812
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,760
gonna get any kickbacks now, so lots of And that's

813
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,639
why I like they didn't really specify if he's dirty

814
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:28,639
or clean, which we never know in Gotham, right, like

815
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,920
which cops are good, which are bad, and I feel

816
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,679
like with this guy, he go either way with the

817
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,840
voice in the aura he puts out. But I would

818
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,960
have never thought I'd be fist bumping to see this

819
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,400
cop when I saw him, like, oh shit. So it

820
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,519
was great to have him back. I hope he's in

821
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:44,119
another episode, but if not, I was just happy to

822
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:45,519
get this little appearance from him here.

823
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, I like instantly knew, I like forgot about

824
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,119
that character thinking back on the Batman, but as soon

825
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:52,639
as he was in there, I just recognize because of

826
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,079
his voice just so iconic.

827
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: DRY should be him for Halloween.

828
00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: I should should be for Halloween.

829
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

830
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,119
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could do his voice, but

831
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,400
he was. He's definitely a memorable character to be sure.

832
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: M Well, let's take another ad break and then we'll

833
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,519
end it off with talking about Penguin. His crews will

834
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:15,519
be right back and we're back. So yeah, let's, uh,

835
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,599
let's talk about Squid there, because I yeah, I did

836
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,960
not remember he was the one specifically in the flashback,

837
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,719
but yeah, they talked about he was. Uh, he's a

838
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,360
bad guy in the neighborhood. He runs drops the neighborhood

839
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,000
Victor and I guess like, now, you guys clearly remember

840
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,039
it's more than me. Did they establish that he Victor

841
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,400
owes him money or something in that flashback or like why.

842
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: Was hated Victor? Yeah, it was like I'm gonna fucking

843
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,800
kill Victor. And then something happened, like the floods happened.

844
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,639
Speaker 3: Well, I think it was like I wanted him, like

845
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:44,440
didn't he want him on a working for him or

846
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:46,280
did just be part of his crew? And Victor was

847
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,159
just I think Victor had like a I'm too good

848
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,480
kind of like a feeling he was putting off on

849
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:53,320
the squid. Squid just hates him though, no matter what.

850
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah he's a freak.

851
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: You're a freak, Victor. But yeah, so they What happens

852
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:01,719
is at the being of the episode, when Penguin at

853
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,239
first thinks, hey, everything's going well, doesn't go well. He

854
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,239
had told Victor go watch his mom in case because

855
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,239
he's like he's listening to the geek for his podcast.

856
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,760
You know, we said, ah, someone's gonna find about that

857
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,480
mom and you're gonna be in trouble, right, so smart

858
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,719
move move before someone gets here. I did find it

859
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,119
interesting though, that Penguin in this episode said, I let

860
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:24,360
me get the quote here. Victor one to stay with him. Oh,

861
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,360
he said, She's what keeps me good. So one, if

862
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,639
this is Penguin's version of good, pretty fucked up. But two,

863
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,760
that's why, no matter what, she's a fucking goner, because

864
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,360
it's gonna be like if she's gone and this is

865
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,679
like keeping him good, what's it gonna be like? And

866
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440
I thought in this episode that Vic was gonna let

867
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,400
something happen to his mom and that was gonna be

868
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,320
and I still think that could happen. But I think

869
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,639
that might be what makes Penguin fucking kill the shav

870
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Victor at the end of season. I think he's gonna

871
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,800
screw up. He's gonna get careless, like we always saw.

872
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,360
On this episode he fell asleep. He's supposed to be

873
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,480
on guard and he fell asleep. No, luckily, Penguin things

874
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,159
are he's the only gay you can trust it. Oh,

875
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,199
it's fine, whatever, and he gives him a speed She's

876
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,719
in everything. But yeah, Victor was instrucked to get him

877
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,320
out of there, so they went back to some of

878
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,199
the flood homes or apartments to hang out there. His

879
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,719
mom is getting very, very bad, like She's like she

880
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,039
has a medication, but she thought Victor was one of

881
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,159
her sons, which we learned Penguin had two brothers that

882
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:17,559
just got fucked up. I guess because the streets, he

883
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:19,519
just said, like the golf, like the city just walled

884
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:19,800
them off.

885
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,599
Speaker 3: So what's happening to.

886
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: Penguin? He just fucking breaking his neck over there. No,

887
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,400
I don't I don't think he took him yet. But

888
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,559
so yeah, we essa she had two brothers. And now

889
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Penguin's girlfriend also left him or you know, didn't go

890
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,000
with him, I guess in a sense, and then him,

891
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:43,719
Penguin or Penguin Vic and the mom are just hanging

892
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,719
out here. So, Kirkle, when do you think about all

893
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,840
the goings on with Penguins? Where he started high but

894
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,559
now it's a kind of kind of low. He started

895
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,800
he started right back to because he said him and

896
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,639
his mom used to live in a shithole like this,

897
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,239
so he started right back where he began. You know.

898
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how he's trying to like spin it like, oh, yeah,

899
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,519
we're living together now, it's gonna be awesome. She's like

900
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,719
just disgusted, like what kind of sun camp? Her mom

901
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,239
and Uh. I like it for just the I think

902
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,760
the tenseness that's gonna come out of it, especially that

903
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,280
a lot of people are looking for Oz and now

904
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,760
that he's you know, his main place of residences is

905
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,639
with his mother and Vic and I don't think it's

906
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,840
I don't think Gotham's that easy to hide in. Like

907
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,880
Victor Further, I thought there, like when he's like, yeah,

908
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,440
get get him out of here, I'm like picturing them

909
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,440
going to the countryside or something. It's like, oh not

910
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,079
at least, Yeah, They're just going to fucking the sketchiest

911
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,840
part of town where you have your old squid word

912
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,000
looking for you, robing the local watering holes. Yeah, just

913
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,079
like broad daylight, just robbing the smashing the windows in,

914
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:51,920
taking all the liquor.

915
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: And he did a terrible sneaker in job. I feel

916
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,199
like the way he was just like like fucking he

917
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,800
put the hood on, like right when he win the door.

918
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,960
It's like, no, you put the hood on right away.

919
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,840
Get over. He just is like worst steff chep driving.

920
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,599
Speaker 2: But I guess he you know, he doesn't really have

921
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,280
anywhere else and like he parks his car there and

922
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,559
I'm like, dude, that car is just gonna get fucking jacked,

923
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,760
like as soon as you leave. Yeah, like they're gonna

924
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,559
take your ring quins squids? Yeah, are they not gonna

925
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,480
be like, oh, this is Victor's car, look at that.

926
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,280
I wonder where he is. Like it just seemed like

927
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,920
kind of a weird sequence in that sense. And that's

928
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,199
not even including like the stealth sequence that you just

929
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,639
listed with Yeah, him getting into the into the house,

930
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:31,119
and I really thought that the squid thing was gonna

931
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,440
happen like in this episode. I thought he was because

932
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,960
they showcase that he sees him.

933
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,159
Speaker 1: Like he he definitely saw him.

934
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,199
Speaker 2: He might be second guessing what he saw, but still

935
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:41,519
he did see him. Like I thought he was gonna

936
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:45,079
be breaking into the building that same episode. I thought

937
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,320
it was gonna be when Oz got back and Oz

938
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,239
was just gonna absolutely beat the shit out of him

939
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,119
or like kill him, like right then and there. And

940
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:54,159
then that's that because I'm not really looking for like

941
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,360
a interesting squid inclusion in the show. I think there's

942
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:00,679
enough big players at play, but I do want to

943
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,840
judge it until we actually see what happens.

944
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,159
Speaker 1: I agree. He could also just be as simple as

945
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,360
like they hear that people looking for Penguin and he's

946
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000
the reason, right, Like it could just be something as

947
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,480
easy as that, and maybe Penguin kind of blames him

948
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,760
because like, oh, you know this guy, and then like

949
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,079
you know, like he says about not being a man

950
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,280
taking him out. Who knows? But I agree with you

951
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,920
where because man, I guess next week's already the penultimate.

952
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,920
Now I thought we had three because this episode six? Right?

953
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,000
No five? Oh, I definitely have it wrong in the

954
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,199
I have it wrong on the title. And then I

955
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,079
think I said episode six in the beginning, and now

956
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:39,400
you corrected me. I have no memory of this, you bastards.

957
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,719
But uh yeah, so episode five, okay, so we got

958
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,800
three more? So okay, I agree with you where maybe

959
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,239
we don't have time for like a big Squid character,

960
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,280
but he can have like a mini character. Or maybe

961
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,280
he's just like maybe he somehow gets his mom killed, right,

962
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,960
and Penguin blames Vick for that or something. I don't know.

963
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:01,800
I think here's my prediction, the Squid storyline and hit

964
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,559
that character will be done by next week. That's what

965
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:05,039
I think.

966
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, one way, I so, I hope. So I thought

967
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,559
it was gonna end this this week. But I'm right

968
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:11,039
there with you.

969
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: Well, it'll be interesting because I think Squid will somehow

970
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,719
obviously connect. I don't think Squid's gonact on his own.

971
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,239
I think Squid is gonna connect to Sophia and Salvatorum

972
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,559
because once they get their operations set up here, and like,

973
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:26,400
we know that this territory is not run by the

974
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,360
Falcons or sorry, the Jigantes, it's not run by the Maronis.

975
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,679
So that's an interesting dynamic, and Squid obviously tries to

976
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,559
capitalize on on that fact by doing the drops and

977
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:41,239
everything in this area. But now you have penguins setting

978
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,880
up shop, which you've got to see a look at

979
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,159
his new hideout, and I think that's going to then

980
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,320
make Squid be like, Okay, there's a big guy in

981
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,199
town and he's doing shit, and I'm gonna maybe go

982
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,199
strike a deal or whatnot. I just think he's gonna

983
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,679
come in with the help of the other crime families

984
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,360
and he's not going to act alone. For him to

985
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,400
act alone, I feel like that would have to be

986
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,039
wrapped up pretty quick in an episode, and considering how

987
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,119
much time they've been focusing on these narratives to do that,

988
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:08,920
in three episodes. I don't think they have the time

989
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,599
to do that. I think it just makes sense just

990
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,960
to tie him in just this one guy, not his

991
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,880
whole crew, one guy with the other families, and then

992
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,679
have him just get killed off in like a bad

993
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,960
fight or something like that, and maybe like, yeah, he

994
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,320
used him as that that revealing point though he's gonna

995
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,880
get Oz and Victor caught up in a bad spot

996
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:31,079
because he's I'm assuming gonna go to the Sophia and whatnot.

997
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I you don't think it could still just

998
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,840
be that he just wants to fuck up Victor and

999
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,960
then something goes wrong and then you know, what.

1000
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: Do you think he would do? Like he goes down

1001
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,360
there and like just tries to steal the shrooms or I.

1002
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: Don't think he's gonna go I don't think he saw

1003
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,480
I don't think that he saw them go down there

1004
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,760
as of yet, I think that's gonna remain secretive because

1005
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,199
I feel like that just kind of blows up the

1006
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:54,920
whole gig right of people look at this place, and

1007
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,800
then episode set like six of the series is like

1008
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,039
we know where you're stash. Like, I think that stays

1009
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:03,519
as a secret until the Batman.

1010
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,119
Speaker 3: With the I think you're probably right with the one

1011
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,159
one episode they could have they could do. I guess

1012
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:11,880
there's they could do a few things because the one

1013
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,159
the next episode they could have, uh, Squid go into

1014
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,880
that apartment. Yeah, just gets super pissed off, and I

1015
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,599
don't know if Victor's there now, Victor could be with

1016
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:24,360
Oz down below, and maybe he just Squid kills Oz's mom.

1017
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,800
Yeah that Oz is like, oh my god, then takes

1018
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,199
Victor with him and they go and they kill Squid

1019
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,599
or do some crazy shit, and that maybe tips off

1020
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,519
Sophia like, Okay, now we know where he is. He's

1021
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,119
out in the Crown Points, so we're gonna go out

1022
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,320
there and take care of him. That's boom. That's your

1023
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,000
penultimate and then your finale episode with them going to

1024
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:42,599
chase Oz.

1025
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: I could see something where Victor like leaves his mom

1026
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,199
to go get something and like, I'm gonna be right back,

1027
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,239
and then while he's gone, Squid comes in and terrogates

1028
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,199
o mother because she's sick. He's gonna think she might

1029
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,280
be fucking with him, but he's not gonna understand because

1030
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,360
you know, Squid is you know, I don't know if

1031
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,719
he's gonna be the most smartest guy.

1032
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: So what's the confusion?

1033
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: Boom headshot? So I could see something like that as well,

1034
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,400
Like there's a lot, there's a lot of angles you

1035
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,400
can go with that character. But I luckily don't think

1036
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,519
he's gonna be like a third crime. But you know,

1037
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,559
I don't think it's been anything too massive or like

1038
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,760
he could be dead by next week, might kill him.

1039
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: You know, he's the leader of the Falcons.

1040
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:24,119
Speaker 1: No, yeah, second, I'm gonna take the name, yeah, squid Falcone.

1041
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,360
But yeah, so Victor, he's with his mom. We'll see

1042
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,159
how that goes. Penguin is now like good nice for

1043
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,960
the girlfriend and be like, oh well, like pretty much

1044
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,920
just like if you're back on top, like we'll be

1045
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,400
back together. This is just kind of like it's all

1046
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,760
or nothing for her. She's kind of kind of can

1047
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,639
see that the ground is crumbling beneath him. So I

1048
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,519
think she is just kind of cay. I'm gonna pivot,

1049
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,760
I'm gonna I'm gonna leave you do your stuff. But

1050
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,639
if you ever get back on top, like I'll be there, baby,

1051
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,679
I can't I can't wait for it. So now I

1052
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,280
don't know about her because I actually did think she

1053
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,920
was gonna be someone that might bite it. But the

1054
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,320
way that she kind of distanced herself from him, I

1055
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,920
don't really get that feeling anymore, as actually worked for

1056
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,079
her health and safety when she was breaking up for him,

1057
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:07,760
I thought he might just snap and shoot her. I

1058
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,519
thought he might feel like betrayed. But I could also

1059
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:13,599
see a situation where he does get on top, she

1060
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:15,039
goes to talk to him, and he kind of like

1061
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,159
shushes her away, you know, like no, like you could

1062
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:20,559
have had like because he even like it seems like

1063
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,199
he thought they had something though I thought it was

1064
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:24,679
doing me to the end or something like that, right,

1065
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,440
So I could see him not even killing her, just like, yeah,

1066
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,920
your girls can't work at my club yet, like kind

1067
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,480
of making her pay for leaving him in that moment,

1068
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,920
right something. So I don't necessarily think she's a dead

1069
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,280
woman now, but I don't think her and Alls are

1070
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,480
gonna end up together. But again, she does have that

1071
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,639
last name that belongs to another character, so yeah, you

1072
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:43,559
never know, right, So.

1073
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,119
Speaker 2: I feel like that fact is what makes me think

1074
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,840
we'll get more of her in the future in some way,

1075
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,679
shape or form. But yeah, I was okay with her

1076
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,400
just staying back. I don't know.

1077
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: I didn't need her at the apartment. Yeah, yeah, I

1078
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:57,119
don't need.

1079
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: To say if I was getting two over crowded with people,

1080
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:00,960
you know, so she's getting squid.

1081
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: All their girls are there too, the three guys, all

1082
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,840
her girls, her Victor, the grandma. Yeah, that'd be a

1083
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,440
lot of people.

1084
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: Especially from her perspective, it's like, fuck, I don't want

1085
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,800
to stay with you, dementia mom and Victor, not in

1086
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,519
my apartment.

1087
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,119
Speaker 1: I do feel like though, because she did bring up that, hey,

1088
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,480
Sophia saw knows I am, and saw all the names

1089
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,639
of my girls that might have to come back, right

1090
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:29,280
because she Yeah, if so? Because right now, Okay, I agree,

1091
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,480
it's not the greatest place for penguin Hyde, but if

1092
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,199
they want to staying Gotham, at least it's somewhere they'rehidden.

1093
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,800
So if it's not Squid, her and Moroni are gonna

1094
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,440
be looking to find them, and like, who better to

1095
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,719
go to than the woman that was like his like girl, Right,

1096
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,840
So I feel like she's definitely gonna be maybe even

1097
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,920
the next week, because I feel like that's the only

1098
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,519
goal of Maroni and Sofia want to take over Gotham

1099
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,719
and team up. But I feel like the direct goals

1100
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,599
to get awe, So they're gonna have to start hunting

1101
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:56,159
real soon. They're gonna have to go to all the

1102
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,440
all the different sources and people.

1103
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:03,199
Speaker 2: So I do feel like Sophia's paint the town red

1104
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,400
moment is still gonna happen when. I don't think it'll

1105
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,880
just be one victim like close to Oz. I think

1106
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,599
it'll be like quite a few, So you know, maybe

1107
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:17,360
her or her girls. Could the three be part of that? Yeah,

1108
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,559
the three guys, ye be part of that bloody event.

1109
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: It could be. Yeah, Taylor, how do you feel about

1110
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,639
the odds of his former lover.

1111
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: I'll say I thought that she was gonna pull a

1112
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,559
fast one and like be turning on him or something

1113
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:34,239
like that. Ah, yeah, like she's but I just feel

1114
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,159
like she's going off to the next best thing, the

1115
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,599
next heavy hitter. And I don't necessarily blame her for

1116
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:41,599
kind of moving along because she was put in a

1117
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,440
very bad spot because you just throw Marony Air in

1118
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,079
her apartment and have them kind of like on the

1119
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:54,039
front page of doing some shit with Sophia, so they

1120
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:56,960
know that they're marked basically and she knows that she

1121
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,679
can't stay with as she's gonna have to go figure

1122
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:01,440
out her own way. So what her own way is,

1123
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:04,719
I don't know. Oz was just about to mention to

1124
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,840
her too about the mom So that's very interesting that

1125
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:09,639
it's a good thing he didn't stay up because I

1126
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:11,320
feel like it's not the last we've seen it for

1127
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,920
I think I think she's gonna go to Sofia with

1128
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,920
information or something just to kind of throw him under

1129
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,719
the bus a little bit.

1130
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting. And then yeah, like Tayror mentioned,

1131
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,280
they showed us it was interesting. So Oz he breaks

1132
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,800
open this like Jar has this coin. It's for a

1133
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,360
trolley system. He goes down. There's a place that's just

1134
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,960
like Guard off Guard. It's you know, down in like

1135
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,599
a tunnel whatnot. Oh, it says there's a bunch of locations.

1136
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,960
They open it up, they go down. It's a trolley

1137
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,119
system that they used to use and then got shut down.

1138
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:44,119
So obviously if they use it, I feel like the

1139
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,679
entrances or whatnot are gonna have to be a little

1140
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,800
more guarded. I think you just can't leave a door

1141
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,760
open for that going forward. But they hits a generator,

1142
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,159
lots of heat, and that's a picture. It's warm, it's warm,

1143
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:57,599
and goose, we're going mushrooms and then that's what's gonna be.

1144
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,920
So that's it's gonna be the base. So one, I've

1145
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:01,920
like whatever, I'm not sure. I guess he has the

1146
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,880
two mushroom kids. He's gonna find some way to like

1147
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,880
and I don't know if that's where Julian Rush is

1148
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,440
gonna come in, if he knows a way to like

1149
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,440
help with these mushrooms and Penguin recruits him. I don't know,

1150
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,000
but I guess that's what's gonna be based operations there.

1151
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:16,840
So I guarantee you when we get to in the Batman,

1152
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,480
I wonder if there'll be a set piece of Batman

1153
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:21,519
being there. But two, I was fucking I did not

1154
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,679
think they're gonna do this, but I was very worried

1155
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,559
when they were down there, And like I saw someone

1156
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,320
point out that apparently Bruce's batcave is connected to that

1157
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,119
same subway line, so like, obviously it's probably not like

1158
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,840
right beside each other, but they are dangerously close. And

1159
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,760
I find that kind of funny that you know, Bruce

1160
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,079
Wayne has his Batman operations you know underground, you know

1161
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:44,400
the Batcave subway system. Now Penguin, you know businessman quotation

1162
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,760
Marks is gonna have his drug like operation down in

1163
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,719
the subway. So it's kind of funny they both have

1164
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,519
them there, And I don't know if that's gonna play

1165
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,480
in anything. I'm not sure if like Batman's gonna.

1166
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: Be a plan the finale, Batman is gonna join up

1167
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,039
with him, take down the.

1168
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,199
Speaker 1: Crimes, gonna join up on them, I'm not I'm not

1169
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,119
sure if he's gonna like be doing push ups in

1170
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:03,679
The Batman too and just hear like, ah, this is

1171
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,679
Cackle a couple of subways down and be like, oh,

1172
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,320
they must be down here. I don't know, but I

1173
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,280
knowing that reason company, I don't think it's a mistake

1174
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,599
that they are close. And I also don't foresee like

1175
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:18,559
Penguin finding out that Bruce Wayne as Batman, but there's

1176
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,880
gotta be something. So I feel like both with the

1177
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,320
location being so close and also just like this is

1178
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,760
his base now, this stuff will definitely see in The

1179
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,599
Batman too, and that gets me pretty excited.

1180
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kinda I kind of chuckled because I'm just like, man,

1181
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:32,400
it just seems like they have all these ready to

1182
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,039
go bases everywhere, got them like you just you know,

1183
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:36,800
you break down a couple of boards. You got a

1184
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,920
generator there with some fuel, not a lot of fuel,

1185
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,480
but like still all the lights are ready to go.

1186
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,800
It's just like some good bones for a hidden base.

1187
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,480
And like they didn't really less a mistaken Oh, I

1188
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,360
guess it was just his nostalgia that's what made him

1189
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:51,639
go there.

1190
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: I was.

1191
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,679
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like there wasn't anything, like, I

1192
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:55,960
got a base that's set up for some mushroom growth.

1193
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,119
Speaker 3: I know where the batman is victims find.

1194
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the generator still works perfectly.

1195
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like with that and the other like

1196
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,960
kind of like okay moments I had in this episode.

1197
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,239
That's where it just seemed like a significant step down

1198
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,800
from last week because I didn't have any of those

1199
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,159
moments really, I don't think at any point of like

1200
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,639
at the show up until now. But they are like

1201
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:23,079
so minor and not really an overall story breaking moment

1202
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:26,320
or anything like that. But yeah, I didn't really think

1203
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,039
about actually Bruce Wayne's base being connected to those tunnels.

1204
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:34,719
And yeah, I'm curious as to how that's gonna be resolved.

1205
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,119
I I don't know, Like part of me is like,

1206
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,559
is this just gonna be his new permanent base that

1207
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:42,280
like this is like any kind that we see all

1208
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,199
was going forward. This is kind of his new Iceberg

1209
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,039
Lounge hit, you know, type type bass.

1210
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: Here, it's just what the fuck is that?

1211
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 3: Elfred?

1212
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: Like a ray of twenty four to seven. Yeah, But

1213
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,679
but then he said, like it's just a new mushroom facility.

1214
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,400
So it's like, Okay, well, I don't think he would

1215
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,840
have his main base in like the place that he's

1216
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,400
making all these drugs, but maybe he is. I don't know.

1217
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just gonna be the drugs and

1218
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,239
he'll still well I was gonna say he'll have the

1219
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,840
Iceberg Lounge because I'm still I'm I'm holding true. He's

1220
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,800
gonna win this war and he's gonna be set up

1221
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,840
in The Batman too, so he'll still have the lounge.

1222
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,239
So I think this will just be the operations. And

1223
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,960
like I said, I could see a cold open here

1224
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,519
being of The Batman too, of Batman like breaking this

1225
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:29,119
place down and you get a season of AWZ building

1226
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:31,719
up find this this base and everything and the Batman

1227
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,360
just fucking just destroys it and everything. So but yeah,

1228
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,239
there any thoughts on how that might plan under the

1229
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:38,800
Batman two.

1230
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, I don't know. I don't have many thoughts.

1231
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,800
I just need to see where this is kind of

1232
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,039
gonna go. I I want I gotta rewatch the first

1233
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,719
Batman because just seeing all these Oz scenes, it just

1234
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,199
makes me want to go back to and watch it,

1235
00:54:54,280 --> 00:55:01,079
just with every time Batman encounters Oz and that Batman this,

1236
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,679
oh god, what he's showing me? And then what's the

1237
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,760
other thing he says? Like when he's driving away, he's like,

1238
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,079
I got you? And then I rewatched this specific scene.

1239
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:12,199
I keep rewatching the intro of the movie because it's

1240
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:14,599
fucking great, just the whole setup. But what does he

1241
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,480
say to Batman? He's talking to him Commissioner Gordon, and

1242
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,840
he gives them like the lesson on.

1243
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: Do they speak Spanish? And it is funny like they've

1244
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,559
kept it up in this show that he knows Spanish.

1245
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,719
Even in this episode they start talking different languages like

1246
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,079
just you know, so that's how I love that, Like

1247
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,320
Gordon and Batman aren't like the grays of Spanish, but like, hey,

1248
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,920
fucking Oswald knows that, so they don't make their criminal like, oh, yeah,

1249
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,440
he's a complete idiot. He's like, no, he's smarter, but yeah,

1250
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,719
he says anything else we haven't touched upon one.

1251
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: That's everything.

1252
00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1253
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,159
Speaker 2: I think that's well. I guess he's said goodbye to

1254
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,840
his chariot.

1255
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: This.

1256
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: I like that he brought up that old gangster again again.

1257
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just talking about.

1258
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: Just like the symbolism I guess to what the vehicle means.

1259
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,239
And I like how Victor was like I'm sorry, man,

1260
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,840
I'm sorry. I crushed it, Like no, you you did

1261
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,920
your job. But I still like that.

1262
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,639
Speaker 1: Scene again him kind of like romanticizing what he's gonna

1263
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:24,880
be like but even in the prison when he's yeah,

1264
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,639
I came after your son and you're gonna trade him,

1265
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:29,199
and then they so like Maroney's wife is like, this

1266
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,440
is not how things are done. So again just like

1267
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,000
the show, like that's how the episode begins, him like

1268
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,039
I want to be this gangster's respected, but then every

1269
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,199
character is telling him like you're doing this in like

1270
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,000
the non respectful like kind of Chet dirting Way right,

1271
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,840
like you're not supposed to up people's kids and everything,

1272
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,559
even Sophia, I feel like the same amount, right, Like

1273
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:47,920
she didn't kill that kid, but she's still killed just

1274
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,159
the family. You wouldn't do that. Well, well, we're just

1275
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:55,199
gonna go adopt her and that's gonna be Robin or

1276
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,159
something of their background.

1277
00:56:56,199 --> 00:57:00,639
Speaker 4: You know, she's gonna find the mushrooms and the Yeah,

1278
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,920
but yeah, again, it comes back to that, And I

1279
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,719
wonder at the end of this show if Oz wins,

1280
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,440
does he look at himself in the mirror and he's

1281
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:12,599
just like Walter right where he's like illogical and he's like, yeah,

1282
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:12,880
that's me.

1283
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,599
Speaker 1: I'm that gangster. Or he's gonna have some speech about

1284
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,960
like how I want to be that gangster, but you know,

1285
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:20,920
you just can't do that anymore and the world's changed

1286
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,079
and you gotta do what's right and what's right. Like

1287
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,800
I wonder if he's gonna push back against that legacy

1288
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,960
he'ps talking about right, like in order to be successful,

1289
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,000
he had to be a piece of shit. But that's

1290
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:33,079
like the better way, and that's the new way. You

1291
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,119
can't He might even blame on other people, like people

1292
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,079
would let me be the guy I wanted to be,

1293
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:39,559
Like I'm curious because that's again. He's referred back to

1294
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:41,519
that a few times, and I thought it was very

1295
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,679
risky for him to stand there or the car was

1296
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:45,639
just on fire. I feel like you'd want to have

1297
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,880
the conversation with the three guys away from there, not

1298
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,840
from the explosion, just like cops and police are gonna

1299
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,840
be showing up. Maybe Sofia Falcon, might you know, look

1300
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,760
at that type of stuff. I don't know, but you know,

1301
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:59,920
he was okay. So, but yeah, we will be back

1302
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:03,599
next week for actually episode six, the real episode six.

1303
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,559
We'll talk about that, break it down, and then we

1304
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,719
will uh yeah, And then we got two more weeks. Well,

1305
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:11,320
like I said, we still have to have a inside

1306
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,559
baseball meeting. What we're gonna do on Extra Life Day.

1307
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:17,159
You know, here's an episode six, so we gonna see

1308
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:20,440
what happened there. We'll talk and I won't be boring