Speaker 1: Hello lazies, gentleman, Welcome back to the Penguin Review Series,
Episode six. I'm the clown Prince of podcast Trust. Now
I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am Sophia's Shoulder, Kirk Colempatsy.
Speaker 1: I just saw that.
Speaker 3: I am the Mushrooms Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: There you go, laizes Himan. Yes, we are talking about
episode six, as I just said, of a show that
you know what every week when Sunday rolls around, he's like,
oh fuck, yeah, it's Penguin, you know, like I had
that the whole day. It's a football. But still it's
just like, that's just we still got three episodes. But
just sucks now that we're in the official back half
because I'm thinking about, like, man, we're almost done. This
show's gonna be done. We still got two years till
the Batman. But lo and behold, at least it's good
or is it still good? I don't know. We'll find out.
And Kirklan he starts off obviously we maybe we'll revisit
the Shoulder when we get into spoilers.
Speaker 2: But that's a bit spoiler.
Speaker 1: Looks like that left the impression on you. But what
do you think about this episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I Uh, I still think the show is immaculate.
I think it's fantastic. I think it's it's still just
the best thing to be watching every week. And yeah,
I like you, Sundays is just like a big viewing
day for me now, especially F one's done their summer break,
so they came back for a race to day, so
it was like football race and then watch this after
a little bit more football. So it's a lot of
just viewing today. But no, definitely ends it off in
a nice, nice, nice way. It would be terrible to
end all that viewing which is a gone awful episode.
And now that we're in the back half of this series,
it's nice that I definitely feel like things are ramping up,
Like after this episode, it feels like we're getting into
I don't know, just danger territory. This whole season's felt
like that, but now it's like really just amping up
with I think just some of the moves certain people
are making now, and a lot of.
Speaker 1: Moves this episode. People are moving shaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: A lot of heat going on, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of heat going on. Maybe not enough with some things,
but maybe too much for others.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps I don't really know what else to say.
I feel like, coming off of last week's episode, this
might be like a minor step down, just because last
week's episode, I think, I think that was my favorite
episode so far of the season. Tough to kind of
match that, but this is still like, I don't know,
like plug like over nine, over nine out of ten.
Maybe maybe closer to ten out of anything, but just
comparing to last week's episode, I think it's not quite there.
But yeah, I know it's still still super fantastic. Yeah, no,
I'll just I'll just save it there else, I'll save
that in the shoulder for later.
Speaker 3: Mister Field, this episode was fucking awesome. Oh my gosh.
She having to have a little bit of story in
the past couple of episodes, just the history with our
some of our characters and whatnot. Finally getting to this though,
and seeing just how the current situation has just blown
up and seeing how Oz is handling it. Absolutely love it.
I think it was great. I am just I'm over
the moon. When certain things were just happening in this episode,
certain decisions and just certain plays that were going down,
they can holy shit, this is crazy. It's just it's
nuts and I love not being able to necessarily keep
up with certain things that happen. There's one there's one
character in here that you think they're going one way
with the with their story, and then it just immediately,
just without a second's thought, it just changes. It's like,
holy fuck, like they just did that. Okay, I thought
they were going a completely different route, but no, you
len okay that this this person was brought into this
specific situation just to set this specific tone for other characters.
And again, the characters necessarily aren't major story players, but
they are heavily impacting the main character that we're dealing with,
and it's part. It's just it's overall, it's fantastic. I'm
excited to break down into spoilers because this show's so
fun fucking good. I I just I love I love
the writing of this, and it's yeah, it's there need
to be there needs to be more shows written like
this and just have a great character depth and motivations so.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you might have to specify, like
in this genre, I feel like there's lots of shows
like this that we're probably not reviewing, you know, that
have great writing, Like like you're you're you didn't pole
back five seasons of Succession, which is supposed to be
like one of the best shows of all time.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll give it a watch. I'll let you know.
If it's the Penguin tier, I think.
Speaker 1: It's probably on par with it. That's next on my bucket.
I just here. It's like fucking a class. So I
bet there's there's lots of shows great, right, and there's
just too much stuff to watch, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it's true. I'll I'll have to give that
a go and see it's us up there.
Speaker 1: Suppressions to or suppressions, suppressions sopranos, especially if you're like
in the mobster stuff. That's that this show is pretty
much red. Yeah, watching suppressions. No, at least Daredevil, I
think you're gonna really enjoy because I don't think it's
I think it has like a lot of isms, like
the crime stuff and crime syndicate stuff. So I think
if that transitions for people that don't know kirk lanon
Tel should be retroing Daredevil in honor because they officially
dated Darrevil March fifth, So each season is gonna get
a month coming up in December and on. But Uh, yeah,
it had, like especially the Kingpin storylines definitely has Penguin
elk and I think it's That's where I was talking
about with Mike as he was saying that today too,
And it's tough to disagree. It's so hard with combook
shows because there's some that are like Watchmen, where it's
there's another one, Tayo, you didn't watch the Watchman TV
show fantastic, right? Would I would consider that that. It's
to me, it's daredeviln Watchman. Those are the top two.
But it's so hard even with Penguin to combine them now,
right or compare them, because like Daredevil three soon to
before season show, where Watchmen it's just like a one
and done season that's said, here's the story, and that's
what Penguin's gonna kind of be. But at the same time,
like I guess you could, you could still watch Penguin
without the Batman, but you still need like a little
bit of context. But yeah, no, I don't have I
feel like every week do the same kind of nonslow
as opening. That's it doesn't last long. I don't have
much to say. The show continues to be great. I
really have no notes everything that I go, oh, what
are they gonna do with this? They they answer it.
It's not like some shows where it's like oh, not
that it's a negative, like this doesn't make sense, but
just like okay, they present an issue or problem. There's
things I Wonderkay, how will this work and what they're
gonna do. And there's many times shows that we review
that that doesn't happen. They just skip those steps like oh,
well this is happening now you go, okay, cool. I
guess I'm just supposed to like it. Hey, but this show,
there's two things. In particular, last week, I would say
with Sophia's storyline, I was like, okay, you kind of
have to you're juggling this for me to buy in,
You're gonna have to give me some concrete, you know,
evidence aka just good writing of how can we get
from point A to point B? And to me, they
did it, and I continue to be floored by her.
I think, you know, Colin Farrell's also just continue to
kill it. But it feels like definitely this episode last week,
like Penguin's still in this a lot more than it
wasn't last week. But this still feels like a big
Sofia kind of one two punch in my opinion. It's
not a Sofia Center episode, but just feels like it's
a big coming out party for Sophia. We'll talk about
her name in a little bit here, but yeah, I
loved it, very very fun surprise appearance by a character.
If you're listening nons boys, don't get super hyped. It's
just a mior character from The Batman. But again, yeah,
supermany flew in. But yeah, it's stuff that they continue
to make the world feel very connected to The Batman.
But again, not like oh if you didn't watch the
so far I still don't feel like if you don't
watch the Penguin, you're not gonna get Batman too. Have
not seen Batmanto, But just to be the way they're
layering these characters, it's like, oh, that's really cool and
it's a perfect spot for this character to be. So yeah,
another just kind of like knockout episode. I'm very excited
to see because, like Terry's alluding the the State, I
think the stakes are as high as they can get. Now.
I don't think there's like which is a good thing.
I just think now it's gonna be all out the
carnage and fall out of what's gonna happen. But I'm
very curious and I'm just curious how our man Oz
is going to I'm curious how Oz is gonna just
get out of or into certain situations I U. And
even then, the end of this episode made me kind of,
you know, think about some things again with the Batman.
We go like, there's a couple of things again that
like is definitely gonna play in the future. I don't
know how closely, but this show continues to be great,
So I can't wait to talk about it after the spoilers.
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does anyone have a place at there? I want to
go to Sophia first with talk about that shoulder, So, yeah,
how do you feel about the shoulder going on?
Speaker 2: I feel pretty bad about that shoulder, you know what
I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Right? Oh? Yeah, grotesque.
Speaker 2: The camera angle that they had too is just really
highlighted on it, and I imagine those are just injuries
from her Arkham days, okay, when she was going through
her treatments, and yeah, her battle scars definitely add some
some scariness factor. I feel like ever since last week's episode,
she's been just portrayed as a scarier character. Even when
like she's like air quote, you know, playing the victim
card when the cops like come to the house. She
didn't seem like like it was a big tragedy surprise
from her perspective, like to the cop. But she also
didn't seem like she needed to be like like playing
that card, like it's kind of like, yeah, now that happened,
and this is what's happening going forward. And I don't know,
I just feel like her whole character has had like
a major I don't know, just just shift in her.
I don't know her her persona maybe like like just
the way that she carries herself. Not necessarily just from
last week, but I feel like the last two episodes
really like she just seems like she's a lot more
in charge, but also like dead set on her goal
and like not really worried about like how it might
affect like certain moves that she's making. It's just skating out.
This is what we're doing, and this is what we're
gonna do now, Like I am calling the shots. And
she made the shots in this week's episode with execution
on Johnny, which what a roller coaster of a two
days for that guy. She was going like through the
Jesse Pinkman treatment of being all strapped in the cold
and then he's wearing a suit and then you know,
a couple of minutes later is getting shot in the head.
But yeah, no, for Sophia, I'm I'm getting scared for
the world of Gotham and the the others that are
gonna be facing her wrath.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I'm still very convinced that she dies or
ends up in Arkham. But with each pass week even
more so, I was like, Man, I'd really like this
character being the Batman too. And the whole situation that's
going on with Maroney, which we'll talk about later. I
don't think he can happen because I don't think they
can co exist with Oz and I think at the
end of the series, one of these things gotta give.
But no, she's continued to be, you know, great intimidy.
I feel like they did a good job of Okay,
last week they show that there was a sympathetic side
to her, still in a mob family, still didn't ask questions,
Still her dad gone, you know, was being asked by
her dad. But still is like, okay, maybe he got
a bad rap, right, But I still feel like this
week enforced that. Okay, she had some sympathetic things in
her past, but she's still gonna be a crime boss
and still gonna be she like, she could have just
con run, she could have killed that family, got that
money and left, but no, she wants to run the
crime organization wants to take over Gotham and sorry, like,
if you're taking over Gotham, you're not like a good person,
Like like Bruce Wayne is not trying to take over Gotham.
He's trying to like release it of anything, right, So
it's like anybody, it's like, we can take it over.
It's like, well, I get and that's why I'm fine
with the character. That's a good trajection, but that that
I think also helps for us making her not like, oh,
she's such a good person. I can't believe Oz is
doing this tour where it's like there's definitely some of that,
but there's some of this where she could have gone
off scott free. Who knows how much money was in
that bag, but there's enough money for people to be
fighting over it and like taking it. That's blood dripped money,
literally blood dripped money. So probably millions upon millions of dollars.
She could have been out of there. Easy change your
last name, go live a good life, take Julian Rush,
go fuck them on the beach somewhere. But no, she's
in it to win it. And yeah they had Johnny Vie,
which I'm happy. Last week they talked about or I asked, like, Okay,
why is Johnny alive? Probably has to because the money,
right exactly. Was also to like get a little respect.
She learned like a little bit about her mom. But
it was also like like nothing's gonna say. Like it
wasn't like a brand new information. It's like, okay, sure
you she was gonna run away, it doesn't matter. She
kind of figured out her dad killed her mom, so
it's like a big reveal. But yeah, Johnny viny which
was funny that she pointed out. And I think this
was her whole pitch to everybody, right that Okay, look
at this money. You worked very hard, my father and
everyone held it back. We're gonna go buy. I can't
remember the new name.
Speaker 3: Jitar, but that's that's the.
Speaker 1: Shitani is the toast. Yeah, what's the last name.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like Gante or.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: But anyways, no more speaking of Carmari Falcone more, that's dead.
We got a new family name. We're gonna share all
the money. I think they was very specific that she
said none of us are made man in here except
for Johnny, and then she killed them because like in mafia,
in real life, you never kill made man because there's
like huge, like huge punishments and I'm there's a word
I just can't literally forgot here, but ramification repercussions. Thank
you Kirkland of made men untouchable, right, And that's why
it's a big deal for you be one. So that's
why I think she's literally showing this is the new
era because we are like, we're the underlings and here's
one of the last made man the old family, and
I just fucking kill them. That's how it's gonna go.
It's not like people aren't over us. So, like I said,
I was wondering, Okay, how's she gonna get the money
last week that work with Johnny, and then how's she
gonna get the families? Well, Johnny was like the the
meet cue of like, oh, let's just sit down and talk,
and then she made a good pitch, killed them and
then gave them a bunch of money and they were
just criminals. They're like, oh on bard. So again, what
a perfect setup and too bad. I kind of actually
would have liked maybe one more episode of Johnny being
scared shitless because I love that actor. I think he's
a great job on anything he's in, and that whole thing.
When he's like, she's like, oh yeah, let's just talk
about the elf in the room. I killed them all
and he's like, oh my god, what are you doing?
Like I would have liked one more episode of him
just being squirrel, Like fuck, I hate my life. But
he was a fun character nonetheless to have around. But
another member of the Falcony family gone, Taylor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they all cease to exist now. And
so I think that's what really really caught me by
a surprise, because I thought, holy shit, like he sold
whatever bullshit he was trying to to Sofia, and now
he's here and he's like a second in command kind
of guy would know it was all just deployed just
to ye execute him in front of everyone and just
dump all the blood.
Speaker 1: And Madison's why didn't get the money? She needed that
money too, Remember she.
Speaker 3: Needed the money too. Madison's like, why, well the money
now all bloody and covered in blood, like what are
you gonna do? Like, well, you just take a couple
of those bills off, It's fine. Like those guys didn't
seem to care. They were taking that money that was
lit some mad stacks of fifties.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, I think in the businesses
they work what, they're not going to care, Like even
a bank, Like if they strong arm somebody like you're
gonna take this bloody money, they're probably just gonna take it, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. But she's turned into such
a crazy powerhouse. I am really really enjoying her character.
Holy shit, she's just she was scary in those trailers
that they were setting up in the show initially before
we started watching it, And so when we actually got
the show and we saw her, I thought, okay, well,
like she's definitely going through like a journey now, but
it didn't feel like she was super threatening because we
had the family, and I thought the family is just
going to kind of be present in the background while
she's doing her own thing. But now, yeah, she's killed
them and she's making plays with Moroni here. It's just
fucking crazy what is going on? And I just I
feel like her killing the family. You see it with
Oz like he I don't think he expected that. I
really don't think so when he saw it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly when we wanted to push the FIA,
It's like no, no, I like that. Even his girlfriend
was like no, like just got the ship already, because
she's like He's like, yeah, Luca, and now this is
exactly what we want Sophia to do. And she's she's
like no, man, like I can tell you're just like
spinning wheels here. So yeah, I don't think he thought that,
but now he's trying to take credit that he like
pushed her in that direction, like no.
Speaker 3: And I think initially like his his plan, if it
worked out, would have been, Okay, you you're you're, you're,
you're basically like clipped. Your wings are clipped because you're
you failed your own empire, and the Maroni's just like
try to let you up, and now you're gonna go back.
And it almost worked like the Falcones were gonna send
you away to Italy or we're gonna like cast you out.
But she took the upper hand and she killed them,
which is not something OZ was counting on. If that worked,
and like she did get out, then like she would
have taken the fall for everything. OZ would have gotten
away Scott free still being able to play the Falcones,
and then he would have been able to play his
movie against the Maronis, which his move against the Maronis
was it. I give him so much credit because it
almost fucking worked out, but he definitely dis dished out
like ninety nine percent damage. I'd say to him, I
guess to the Maroney family right now.
Speaker 1: So yes, and no, he did to like the Direct family.
But now for the extended family, it's really bad because
I feel that that's where I'm because you still.
Speaker 3: Got the main family, Like Salvator is still kicking around, right,
so he still got the power.
Speaker 1: But like, oh yeah, that's why I said, just the
direction to the Direct family, he did so much shit.
But I feel like, now if they're gonna partner with Sofia,
that's why I'm just so curious, like how does Oz
get out of this? Because I feel like the speech
that Sofia gave to those criminals, I feel like Oz
could have made that speech right of oh, we're the
underlings where the you know people, we take shit and everything.
Speaker 3: And he kind of did right to his three boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again his three boys, like his three boys
and Victor, and then that's why I it's just like
I'm very curious, how do that Sofia gets this trust
gives them money? How does Penguin get those people, right,
And maybe it's just the thing of like, Okay, he
kills her and they just follow him. But I hope
it's a bit more deeper than that, because I want
there to be a reason why would they trust Oz.
And same thing with the Maroni. He's like, I don't
think the people like if he kills Salvator, I don't
think they're gonna be like, oh yeah, he killed Salvatore,
he burned his son and his wife, like we should
follow them. Like That's where I'm very curious how they
get Oz back on top of the situation. And what
I love about it is like I don't know particularly,
I don't have like a clear line of oh it's X,
Y and Z right because I didn't I until the
very end, I didn't see the Maroni Sofia combo coming.
Once she had her little speech, I'm like, oh, she's
gonna work with him because exactly like she said, right,
She's like, oh, well, OZ wants me to kill you,
but I don't want to do that. I want to
make like a truce. And I did like where he's like,
oh yeah, I've never I would never ever partner with
a Falcone. She's like well, good thing. You know, I'm
not a Falcone, like it's a new family. So it's like, okay,
that's a fun little twist there, And I was just
very happy that I was bummed for a second when
the guard was shiving Clancy Brown, like, oh fuck, he's
never getting out of there, you know, he's just dying
in prison. But a good cutaway and uh yeah, like
a one two punch there or something about where Penguin
they make this deal. He kidnaps Maroney's son. He wants
his bliss back, so they're gonna make a trade. It's
Maroney's wife and him with the son. They make the trade.
But uh, she had some extra people up top, you know,
scouting Penguin good Shot and his buddy good Shot caught
out of it. But I do gotta laugh that. Okay,
he doused the sun in gasoline. He goes to hug
his mom Penguin, which I knew that's what it was.
Penguin has a lighter throws it sets from fire. That's
where it's like, Penguin's so great and an idiot because
his fire is what caused like the alarms and everything
to go off and shoot the stuff down and that
killed the fucking mushrooms. But he's just smiling like he's
And again I think they did a good job of
I understand, like a criminal needs to make a move
to be a bad guy, but they should like smiling
at them burning. It's like, well, that fucked up, like so,
but I love that Oz kind of he fucked himself
with the mushrooms. That was his fault. If he would
he could have just shot them. He didn't have to
get so cocky like to set them on fire, but
no him, Like it's like that's like a classic OZ thing,
one step forward, two steps back. And then also Maroney
got out the assassination went poorly, and then he calls
to gloat about it. But now Maroney's team of Sophia.
So again that's what it's like. Sure he got two
barrels of mushrooms, but now it's like, okay, all the
Maronis are gonna be after him, and now all the
Sophia's the new name, are gonna be after him. So
it's like he made a big play but almost made
it much worse. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved how like terrified he was too like
after that because it was like a big all for
like all the in move that he was doing, he
would have basically taken out like the whole head of
the Maroni's right with the son, the wife and then
Salvator himself. And I I really liked what happened there.
I found like both with sal getting out and uh
like the mom dying like a bit of like a
really like a bit of a stretch there. Like like
like with sal so what he gets stabbed by the cop,
just beats the shit out of the cop, takes his
keys and then escapes the prison, Like are you serious
right now? Like what it.
Speaker 1: Does feel like I agree with you, takes in that.
I'm happy it happened because I want him out playing
with the characters. But it is like, how come I
didn't do this like years ago? We're like pretty easy
to like you just need keys to get out? Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2: Like like I feel like there's a lot more guards
and like security cameras and checkpoints like in the in
the Black Capers and.
Speaker 1: No I will I would I would think so.
Speaker 2: So he just has a trapdoor like in his cell
that he just took to his cabin in the woods.
Like it just seemed like like such a jump from
what was going on where he's getting stabbed too. He's
just home and yeah, like you motherfucker you sent the
guy with the keys. Sucks to you now, and not
like like it was just like oh wow, okay, that
was pretty easy for him to get out. And then
the other one was like I have no issues with
him greasing up the sun and then doing like the
fire execution. That's always a bad, badass move. But when
the mom just like grabbed like instantly gets lit up
as well, like like she just like doesn't like let
go of the kid, Like it just seemed like instantly
she was just as on fire as the sun was.
Speaker 3: Well, Madison was like, couldn't you smell the gasoline?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, was all for sure, like kerosene or something
whatever the hell they have them coated, and and I
think it was just like how fast it happens, Like Okay,
it's one thing that the sun's gonna light up and
burn right in front of the mother, Like that's a
big that's already a fucked up move, but like it
just instantly lights up the mom And I'm like, what,
like really like she went off a whole u she
got the oil dry?
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: It was so it was so quick though, like how
instantly she got lit up.
Speaker 1: Okay, I will say that that's true. I could believe
she's go on fire, but she gone fire, and then
when was looked back, she was like Freddy Krueger her
entire she.
Speaker 2: Was just like, yeah she was. She was dead at
that point, like she wasn't even burning a lot.
Speaker 1: What I wonder bring with sal though, is I wonder
because we had talked about this in episode one where
it's like, Okay, he's in prison, but like he seems
pretty comfortable there and they were still wanting running operations.
I wonder if just because he the assassination attempt happened,
if he felt I gotta get the fuck out of here,
Like my what I'm head? Yes, but it's like, okay,
easier to stay in here, like it's just playing ball,
you still got your wife. It's like it could be
something for safety whatever. So that's where I think that
maybe because things were getting so bad, he's like, I
get out here now. They didn't say that. They could
still say that because the show's done that many times
where I have a question, then the show I answers like, oh, okay,
but if not, Yeah, I agree, it's a little quick.
But that's where my head canon is that he knows
that if he's if there's assassinations at tent on his life,
he's probably especially because the fucking cop is like Oswald
says hello, Like it's not even like.
Speaker 2: Who could it be, It's like that's red.
Speaker 1: That's how bold Oz was the thing that makes you
say my name when you kill him, Like that's a
if it goes great fine, but it doesn't. So that's
where maybe he's hears that call up kills them. Okay,
I get fuck, I gotta get the fuck out of here.
And then unfortunately now he's a widower, so it's.
Speaker 2: Not even that big of a deal, like like it
is just like a minor thing. But I feel like
it's the first time this show that I've been like
that's kind of inconsistent or like that's not as clean
of an execution that they've had elsewhere. So it just
speaks to the quality of the show yea all around.
And I think it's also one thing that like when
sal gets stabbed and then phones Oz, like that's really
close to when like the mom and the son die.
So it was just like two things back to back
where I'm like, really, okay, that just seemed a little
lazy how we got there. I think I would have
been right there with you on the head canning if
he didn't say, like, oh, you said the guy with
the keys, And that's how I got out, Like like
he goes through the effort of saying that it's just
I don't know. Again, it's kind of nitpicky, but it
still kind of made me chuckle.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have chuckled, but I did. When Salvator called up,
ohz and it's like like, I know where you are now.
You said a bitch, you're cooked, and I knew, oh yeah,
you want to cook. Well, you try calling your your wife.
Speaker 1: He didn't even go as bad as I thought. I
thought he's yeah. I thought he's gonna go much worse.
But uh yeah, I know Oz took out his son
and everything. But yeah, Roney's free. I'm very excited to
see him out and about. I don't think he's gonna
make it either, but I'm excited to see.
Speaker 3: Her fast food and so traveled well.
Speaker 2: The same cab cabin that Kurt has.
Speaker 1: That have been great have been a great poll but yeah,
I know, we talk about you made that deal with
them killed two of his guards, so that kind of
sucks for them that they deal. They died, even though
it deals being.
Speaker 2: Or Maroney's. Maroney's are losing a lot of soldiers.
Speaker 1: They are, and even then, it's like, uh, like only
two guys, you know, like you know, like I feel
like if if I've got a prison right, like, I
don't like like again, they've tried to. They've insinuate that
he has lots of power, maybe just because it's quick,
but still it's like, there's gonna be more guys out there.
You're a fan, like you're assuming your family was just
murdered and you were almost assassinate in prison, I would
like two guards, Like no, I think at least get
me a dozen or something, you know, or at least
even have one inside with me too. That's one thing
like I understood why when Julian because we talked about
new recruits. I imagine it's a crime show or a
crime you know whatever world. They patted him down before.
But I was like, really, would a guard just leave
Julian alone with her in that room? But you know,
I guess it's just she's a badass and that's fine,
but Julian, I can't see this was this was my
maybe like minor inconvenience that you had with I almost
called him Kurt fuck with Maroney because he talked about
venison in the fucking cabin. I gotta watch new Blood again.
But he's just like, well, I see things are going
on and it's awoken something to me, and I want in.
It was like I predicted last week, like she didn't
kill so clearly he's gonna be of some use and
like he has the hots for right. I wish it
was the other way that she went to him knowing like,
hey he can get me x Y and Z even
if it's like, hey she lost all those mushrooms, he's
an Arkham connection. You can start this back up again
for me. I just wanted him to also like pitch
her why, Like I'm fine because I like the actor.
I like weird characters. I have some sexual like induendo stuff,
that's fine, but like, what does he have to offer,
especially in this room full of like mobsters and everything,
like and I thought he was gonna announce she was
coming in, but no, it was Johnny Vetty. So I'm
not sure if he's gonna maybe take the Johnny VD
roll for her and be her kind of underboss. So
I want to see that progress in the next few
weeks and hopefully I get an answer there. But I
I knew it was coming. I just didn't feel there.
I was like a I had like the Ryan Reynolds gift,
but like, but why, you know, what does he have
to offer. He's just a doctor right as right now,
he's just a doctor. I wish even then he even
if he came and said, hey, like I know you're
getting those drugs from Arkham, I can get you even
more and she said okay, Like and like I said,
even if it was then like if Sophia just wanted
to fuck him and that's why he's kept around. Sure,
but neither from her or him. I got a reason
why he's around. He just says, was like something's woken
in me because I feel something's going on. It's like, yeah,
all right, bro cool. But she accepted him, so he's
a part of the family now. I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's funny because this episode with him, I had like
a similar feeling that I had with him in his
Arkham episode was that last week cardon Yeah Tantoni went wow. Okay.
So in that episode when when he's like just asking
her interview questions and if you if you know listeners
that they listened to that last week's review, I had
said how I was I was expecting like a twist
with him, that he was just like playing her all along,
but like really he was just I guess a good
guy or like felt bad in hindsight over what was
going on, Like he had like a moral dilemma about
this whole thing, and then he explained that to her
and I it just seemed like too easy for me.
I thought that we were gonna be getting like some
complex dynamic. And when he came in and he's like,
you know, all the cops were talking to me, I
didn't tell him anything. I'm like, man, he's playing her
again here, Like he has to be like like this
make because same thing that you said, Like it was
a like why is he actually here if it's not
for some like complex reasoning on I don't know. The
cops have him with a wire trying to like, uh
just bait her into saying something like that's I was
like ninety percent convinced that was actually happening, because it
just doesn't really make sense with everything else that's going on,
like why he would be there. It's just he's obsessed
with her. I guess it's like a weird spin on,
like almost like a Harley Quinn dynamic, where like that
was her therapist and now he's just kind of becoming
obsessed with her, and then he's just following her into
the crime world. So yeah, I am a little confused
on what's gonna happen with him, But I think he's
like a good actor, and I do like the two
of them on screen together, so you know, I'll be
patient to see what happens. But I'm right there with
you on just the I don't know, it seemed unnecessary
and I feel like they don't really they haven't really
they made an effort on to like, like, I I
know Sophia needs some help with you know, running Gotham,
but it's just like.
Speaker 1: The why former doctor Julian Rush Julian Rush, Yeah, you know,
unless he is, like I said, unless there's I'm still
waiting for some reveal.
Speaker 2: I'm a mushroom expert. Actually that's my That's what I
majored in Scarecrow.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because that's John Why is his
name on Jonathan Crane.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be like, I'm gonna call you Jonathan Crane
now because I like that name.
Speaker 1: Moore and his nipples just gets so smile.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get the fucking and what's it called? What's
that penis piercing called the Prince Albert?
Speaker 1: Get the call the Prince Sofia though the Princess Sophia Taylor,
what do you think about Julian Rush? Now?
Speaker 2: Please don't have that in this season. Please don't bring
down this season quality for that.
Speaker 1: It's just next week you just get a full clock
shot of Julian Rush, Like, look, God differ Soehia, I
love you, trust me.
Speaker 2: It's like the weekend song from the Grays movies that
starts playing.
Speaker 3: Earned it Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And she's like then she just shoots him right after.
This guy's fucking weird. But Tam, what are you taking
from this Julian Rush connection?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I mean, I I don't know. He's just
such a creepy guy. He probably has like as far
like as much as I love the show, this might
be just the weakest part of it. Just with his character,
just like walking into the room, jus Sophia is like,
why are you here?
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a payoff though, right though? Maybe?
Speaker 3: So I really really do hope.
Speaker 1: So is there any chance he's working with Oz? Like
any chance? Like I feel like when we talk about
how could Oz make a play? I wonder if that'd
be a play if he's like, no, she's But at
the same time, it's like, then why they make him
so like overly horny for her? Right, Like That's where
I'm still I'm still wondering on him.
Speaker 3: But I don't know. If it was the OZ play,
I would definitely get behind that. I think that would
be super super fun. But yeah, he's just he's got
the hots for Sofia. He's overly horny. He just is
like can't even handle himself.
Speaker 1: So, which I understand. Powerful woman. She's great. She didn't
have a dress or tailor, but every episode she's got
some sick outfit.
Speaker 2: On one Oh absolutely holy shit, so eyeliner to this
episode she's looking.
Speaker 1: He was doing it for That's what he does. He's
her tailor and makeup. He used to dresser in Arkham,
so now he addresses her outside, And I guess there's
three episodes now, right, because this havinged a lot where
like Oz on the back foot, Marony and her already together,
so like maybe next week we'll get something more solid
with him and the rule the y and everything, right,
because especially if she we assume she's gonna die or
go to Arkham, what's he going to be doing?
Speaker 3: Right unless he's back. He's like, I'm got a job back.
Speaker 1: At you guys need doctors, Yeah, yeah, And then he
goes to the middle detector, like what's that old? Uh
I gotta.
Speaker 3: Pierce Prince Alvar called the Princess.
Speaker 1: Sofia actually, and she's just there. It's like, I'll fuck,
I'm stuck with this guy again. But uh yeah, we'll
see about her or about him.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about everything with Sophia. I think
Maroni was a squid.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Squid.
Speaker 3: You don't remember Squid. They pulled that back in. Remember
Victor and Francis trying to sneak into the building and
Squid saw them go in.
Speaker 1: Have we seen Squid before? I forgotten?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in the flashback when they're on the
roof before the flood and they were talking about like
a squid's just a bad guy. He handles all like
the drops and stuff in this part of town.
Speaker 1: Okay before we go there, because that's gonna take us
to like the penguin, Victor mom stuff I want to
show because I'm gonna forget. I love when Sofia Kirk
when you're talking about what the call up that came.
I love that they do. You know, then what's going
on the falcons? You hate them? Like, Oh, that cop.
I hope he's in every they don't kill him off.
I hope he's in every Batman movie, every Batman show.
What a fucking voice that guy has. He's so good.
And again that was such like a good little thing
to put in where yeah, he'd be a like he's
the they said police chief, right, it makes sense that
he's there for the death of the biggest crime boss.
I love that Sophia calls him out like, oh, it's
just are you here to celebrate here? Because you're not
gonna get any kickbacks now, so lots of And that's
why I like they didn't really specify if he's dirty
or clean, which we never know in Gotham, right, like
which cops are good, which are bad, and I feel
like with this guy, he go either way with the
voice in the aura he puts out. But I would
have never thought I'd be fist bumping to see this
cop when I saw him, like, oh shit. So it
was great to have him back. I hope he's in
another episode, but if not, I was just happy to
get this little appearance from him here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I like instantly knew, I like forgot about
that character thinking back on the Batman, but as soon
as he was in there, I just recognize because of
his voice just so iconic.
Speaker 1: DRY should be him for Halloween.
Speaker 3: I should should be for Halloween.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could do his voice, but
he was. He's definitely a memorable character to be sure.
Speaker 1: M Well, let's take another ad break and then we'll
end it off with talking about Penguin. His crews will
be right back and we're back. So yeah, let's, uh,
let's talk about Squid there, because I yeah, I did
not remember he was the one specifically in the flashback,
but yeah, they talked about he was. Uh, he's a
bad guy in the neighborhood. He runs drops the neighborhood
Victor and I guess like, now, you guys clearly remember
it's more than me. Did they establish that he Victor
owes him money or something in that flashback or like why.
Speaker 2: Was hated Victor? Yeah, it was like I'm gonna fucking
kill Victor. And then something happened, like the floods happened.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it was like I wanted him, like
didn't he want him on a working for him or
did just be part of his crew? And Victor was
just I think Victor had like a I'm too good
kind of like a feeling he was putting off on
the squid. Squid just hates him though, no matter what.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's a freak.
Speaker 1: You're a freak, Victor. But yeah, so they What happens
is at the being of the episode, when Penguin at
first thinks, hey, everything's going well, doesn't go well. He
had told Victor go watch his mom in case because
he's like he's listening to the geek for his podcast.
You know, we said, ah, someone's gonna find about that
mom and you're gonna be in trouble, right, so smart
move move before someone gets here. I did find it
interesting though, that Penguin in this episode said, I let
me get the quote here. Victor one to stay with him. Oh,
he said, She's what keeps me good. So one, if
this is Penguin's version of good, pretty fucked up. But two,
that's why, no matter what, she's a fucking goner, because
it's gonna be like if she's gone and this is
like keeping him good, what's it gonna be like? And
I thought in this episode that Vic was gonna let
something happen to his mom and that was gonna be
and I still think that could happen. But I think
that might be what makes Penguin fucking kill the shav
Victor at the end of season. I think he's gonna
screw up. He's gonna get careless, like we always saw.
On this episode he fell asleep. He's supposed to be
on guard and he fell asleep. No, luckily, Penguin things
are he's the only gay you can trust it. Oh,
it's fine, whatever, and he gives him a speed She's
in everything. But yeah, Victor was instrucked to get him
out of there, so they went back to some of
the flood homes or apartments to hang out there. His
mom is getting very, very bad, like She's like she
has a medication, but she thought Victor was one of
her sons, which we learned Penguin had two brothers that
just got fucked up. I guess because the streets, he
just said, like the golf, like the city just walled
them off.
Speaker 3: So what's happening to.
Speaker 1: Penguin? He just fucking breaking his neck over there. No,
I don't I don't think he took him yet. But
so yeah, we essa she had two brothers. And now
Penguin's girlfriend also left him or you know, didn't go
with him, I guess in a sense, and then him,
Penguin or Penguin Vic and the mom are just hanging
out here. So, Kirkle, when do you think about all
the goings on with Penguins? Where he started high but
now it's a kind of kind of low. He started
he started right back to because he said him and
his mom used to live in a shithole like this,
so he started right back where he began. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how he's trying to like spin it like, oh, yeah,
we're living together now, it's gonna be awesome. She's like
just disgusted, like what kind of sun camp? Her mom
and Uh. I like it for just the I think
the tenseness that's gonna come out of it, especially that
a lot of people are looking for Oz and now
that he's you know, his main place of residences is
with his mother and Vic and I don't think it's
I don't think Gotham's that easy to hide in. Like
Victor Further, I thought there, like when he's like, yeah,
get get him out of here, I'm like picturing them
going to the countryside or something. It's like, oh not
at least, Yeah, They're just going to fucking the sketchiest
part of town where you have your old squid word
looking for you, robing the local watering holes. Yeah, just
like broad daylight, just robbing the smashing the windows in,
taking all the liquor.
Speaker 1: And he did a terrible sneaker in job. I feel
like the way he was just like like fucking he
put the hood on, like right when he win the door.
It's like, no, you put the hood on right away.
Get over. He just is like worst steff chep driving.
Speaker 2: But I guess he you know, he doesn't really have
anywhere else and like he parks his car there and
I'm like, dude, that car is just gonna get fucking jacked,
like as soon as you leave. Yeah, like they're gonna
take your ring quins squids? Yeah, are they not gonna
be like, oh, this is Victor's car, look at that.
I wonder where he is. Like it just seemed like
kind of a weird sequence in that sense. And that's
not even including like the stealth sequence that you just
listed with Yeah, him getting into the into the house,
and I really thought that the squid thing was gonna
happen like in this episode. I thought he was because
they showcase that he sees him.
Speaker 1: Like he he definitely saw him.
Speaker 2: He might be second guessing what he saw, but still
he did see him. Like I thought he was gonna
be breaking into the building that same episode. I thought
it was gonna be when Oz got back and Oz
was just gonna absolutely beat the shit out of him
or like kill him, like right then and there. And
then that's that because I'm not really looking for like
a interesting squid inclusion in the show. I think there's
enough big players at play, but I do want to
judge it until we actually see what happens.
Speaker 1: I agree. He could also just be as simple as
like they hear that people looking for Penguin and he's
the reason, right, Like it could just be something as
easy as that, and maybe Penguin kind of blames him
because like, oh, you know this guy, and then like
you know, like he says about not being a man
taking him out. Who knows? But I agree with you
where because man, I guess next week's already the penultimate.
Now I thought we had three because this episode six? Right?
No five? Oh, I definitely have it wrong in the
I have it wrong on the title. And then I
think I said episode six in the beginning, and now
you corrected me. I have no memory of this, you bastards.
But uh yeah, so episode five, okay, so we got
three more? So okay, I agree with you where maybe
we don't have time for like a big Squid character,
but he can have like a mini character. Or maybe
he's just like maybe he somehow gets his mom killed, right,
and Penguin blames Vick for that or something. I don't know.
I think here's my prediction, the Squid storyline and hit
that character will be done by next week. That's what
I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one way, I so, I hope. So I thought
it was gonna end this this week. But I'm right
there with you.
Speaker 3: Well, it'll be interesting because I think Squid will somehow
obviously connect. I don't think Squid's gonact on his own.
I think Squid is gonna connect to Sophia and Salvatorum
because once they get their operations set up here, and like,
we know that this territory is not run by the
Falcons or sorry, the Jigantes, it's not run by the Maronis.
So that's an interesting dynamic, and Squid obviously tries to
capitalize on on that fact by doing the drops and
everything in this area. But now you have penguins setting
up shop, which you've got to see a look at
his new hideout, and I think that's going to then
make Squid be like, Okay, there's a big guy in
town and he's doing shit, and I'm gonna maybe go
strike a deal or whatnot. I just think he's gonna
come in with the help of the other crime families
and he's not going to act alone. For him to
act alone, I feel like that would have to be
wrapped up pretty quick in an episode, and considering how
much time they've been focusing on these narratives to do that,
in three episodes. I don't think they have the time
to do that. I think it just makes sense just
to tie him in just this one guy, not his
whole crew, one guy with the other families, and then
have him just get killed off in like a bad
fight or something like that, and maybe like, yeah, he
used him as that that revealing point though he's gonna
get Oz and Victor caught up in a bad spot
because he's I'm assuming gonna go to the Sophia and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I you don't think it could still just
be that he just wants to fuck up Victor and
then something goes wrong and then you know, what.
Speaker 3: Do you think he would do? Like he goes down
there and like just tries to steal the shrooms or I.
Speaker 1: Don't think he's gonna go I don't think he saw
I don't think that he saw them go down there
as of yet, I think that's gonna remain secretive because
I feel like that just kind of blows up the
whole gig right of people look at this place, and
then episode set like six of the series is like
we know where you're stash. Like, I think that stays
as a secret until the Batman.
Speaker 3: With the I think you're probably right with the one
one episode they could have they could do. I guess
there's they could do a few things because the one
the next episode they could have, uh, Squid go into
that apartment. Yeah, just gets super pissed off, and I
don't know if Victor's there now, Victor could be with
Oz down below, and maybe he just Squid kills Oz's mom.
Yeah that Oz is like, oh my god, then takes
Victor with him and they go and they kill Squid
or do some crazy shit, and that maybe tips off
Sophia like, Okay, now we know where he is. He's
out in the Crown Points, so we're gonna go out
there and take care of him. That's boom. That's your
penultimate and then your finale episode with them going to
chase Oz.
Speaker 1: I could see something where Victor like leaves his mom
to go get something and like, I'm gonna be right back,
and then while he's gone, Squid comes in and terrogates
o mother because she's sick. He's gonna think she might
be fucking with him, but he's not gonna understand because
you know, Squid is you know, I don't know if
he's gonna be the most smartest guy.
Speaker 2: So what's the confusion?
Speaker 1: Boom headshot? So I could see something like that as well,
Like there's a lot, there's a lot of angles you
can go with that character. But I luckily don't think
he's gonna be like a third crime. But you know,
I don't think it's been anything too massive or like
he could be dead by next week, might kill him.
Speaker 2: You know, he's the leader of the Falcons.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, second, I'm gonna take the name, yeah, squid Falcone.
But yeah, so Victor, he's with his mom. We'll see
how that goes. Penguin is now like good nice for
the girlfriend and be like, oh well, like pretty much
just like if you're back on top, like we'll be
back together. This is just kind of like it's all
or nothing for her. She's kind of kind of can
see that the ground is crumbling beneath him. So I
think she is just kind of cay. I'm gonna pivot,
I'm gonna I'm gonna leave you do your stuff. But
if you ever get back on top, like I'll be there, baby,
I can't I can't wait for it. So now I
don't know about her because I actually did think she
was gonna be someone that might bite it. But the
way that she kind of distanced herself from him, I
don't really get that feeling anymore, as actually worked for
her health and safety when she was breaking up for him,
I thought he might just snap and shoot her. I
thought he might feel like betrayed. But I could also
see a situation where he does get on top, she
goes to talk to him, and he kind of like
shushes her away, you know, like no, like you could
have had like because he even like it seems like
he thought they had something though I thought it was
doing me to the end or something like that, right,
So I could see him not even killing her, just like, yeah,
your girls can't work at my club yet, like kind
of making her pay for leaving him in that moment,
right something. So I don't necessarily think she's a dead
woman now, but I don't think her and Alls are
gonna end up together. But again, she does have that
last name that belongs to another character, so yeah, you
never know, right, So.
Speaker 2: I feel like that fact is what makes me think
we'll get more of her in the future in some way,
shape or form. But yeah, I was okay with her
just staying back. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't need her at the apartment. Yeah, yeah, I
don't need.
Speaker 2: To say if I was getting two over crowded with people,
you know, so she's getting squid.
Speaker 1: All their girls are there too, the three guys, all
her girls, her Victor, the grandma. Yeah, that'd be a
lot of people.
Speaker 2: Especially from her perspective, it's like, fuck, I don't want
to stay with you, dementia mom and Victor, not in
my apartment.
Speaker 1: I do feel like though, because she did bring up that, hey,
Sophia saw knows I am, and saw all the names
of my girls that might have to come back, right
because she Yeah, if so? Because right now, Okay, I agree,
it's not the greatest place for penguin Hyde, but if
they want to staying Gotham, at least it's somewhere they'rehidden.
So if it's not Squid, her and Moroni are gonna
be looking to find them, and like, who better to
go to than the woman that was like his like girl, Right,
So I feel like she's definitely gonna be maybe even
the next week, because I feel like that's the only
goal of Maroni and Sofia want to take over Gotham
and team up. But I feel like the direct goals
to get awe, So they're gonna have to start hunting
real soon. They're gonna have to go to all the
all the different sources and people.
Speaker 2: So I do feel like Sophia's paint the town red
moment is still gonna happen when. I don't think it'll
just be one victim like close to Oz. I think
it'll be like quite a few, So you know, maybe
her or her girls. Could the three be part of that? Yeah,
the three guys, ye be part of that bloody event.
Speaker 1: It could be. Yeah, Taylor, how do you feel about
the odds of his former lover.
Speaker 3: I'll say I thought that she was gonna pull a
fast one and like be turning on him or something
like that. Ah, yeah, like she's but I just feel
like she's going off to the next best thing, the
next heavy hitter. And I don't necessarily blame her for
kind of moving along because she was put in a
very bad spot because you just throw Marony Air in
her apartment and have them kind of like on the
front page of doing some shit with Sophia, so they
know that they're marked basically and she knows that she
can't stay with as she's gonna have to go figure
out her own way. So what her own way is,
I don't know. Oz was just about to mention to
her too about the mom So that's very interesting that
it's a good thing he didn't stay up because I
feel like it's not the last we've seen it for
I think I think she's gonna go to Sofia with
information or something just to kind of throw him under
the bus a little bit.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting. And then yeah, like Tayror mentioned,
they showed us it was interesting. So Oz he breaks
open this like Jar has this coin. It's for a
trolley system. He goes down. There's a place that's just
like Guard off Guard. It's you know, down in like
a tunnel whatnot. Oh, it says there's a bunch of locations.
They open it up, they go down. It's a trolley
system that they used to use and then got shut down.
So obviously if they use it, I feel like the
entrances or whatnot are gonna have to be a little
more guarded. I think you just can't leave a door
open for that going forward. But they hits a generator,
lots of heat, and that's a picture. It's warm, it's warm,
and goose, we're going mushrooms and then that's what's gonna be.
So that's it's gonna be the base. So one, I've
like whatever, I'm not sure. I guess he has the
two mushroom kids. He's gonna find some way to like
and I don't know if that's where Julian Rush is
gonna come in, if he knows a way to like
help with these mushrooms and Penguin recruits him. I don't know,
but I guess that's what's gonna be based operations there.
So I guarantee you when we get to in the Batman,
I wonder if there'll be a set piece of Batman
being there. But two, I was fucking I did not
think they're gonna do this, but I was very worried
when they were down there, And like I saw someone
point out that apparently Bruce's batcave is connected to that
same subway line, so like, obviously it's probably not like
right beside each other, but they are dangerously close. And
I find that kind of funny that you know, Bruce
Wayne has his Batman operations you know underground, you know
the Batcave subway system. Now Penguin, you know businessman quotation
Marks is gonna have his drug like operation down in
the subway. So it's kind of funny they both have
them there, And I don't know if that's gonna play
in anything. I'm not sure if like Batman's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be a plan the finale, Batman is gonna join up
with him, take down the.
Speaker 1: Crimes, gonna join up on them, I'm not I'm not
sure if he's gonna like be doing push ups in
The Batman too and just hear like, ah, this is
Cackle a couple of subways down and be like, oh,
they must be down here. I don't know, but I
knowing that reason company, I don't think it's a mistake
that they are close. And I also don't foresee like
Penguin finding out that Bruce Wayne as Batman, but there's
gotta be something. So I feel like both with the
location being so close and also just like this is
his base now, this stuff will definitely see in The
Batman too, and that gets me pretty excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kinda I kind of chuckled because I'm just like, man,
it just seems like they have all these ready to
go bases everywhere, got them like you just you know,
you break down a couple of boards. You got a
generator there with some fuel, not a lot of fuel,
but like still all the lights are ready to go.
It's just like some good bones for a hidden base.
And like they didn't really less a mistaken Oh, I
guess it was just his nostalgia that's what made him
go there.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like there wasn't anything, like, I
got a base that's set up for some mushroom growth.
Speaker 3: I know where the batman is victims find.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the generator still works perfectly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like with that and the other like
kind of like okay moments I had in this episode.
That's where it just seemed like a significant step down
from last week because I didn't have any of those
moments really, I don't think at any point of like
at the show up until now. But they are like
so minor and not really an overall story breaking moment
or anything like that. But yeah, I didn't really think
about actually Bruce Wayne's base being connected to those tunnels.
And yeah, I'm curious as to how that's gonna be resolved.
I I don't know, Like part of me is like,
is this just gonna be his new permanent base that
like this is like any kind that we see all
was going forward. This is kind of his new Iceberg
Lounge hit, you know, type type bass.
Speaker 1: Here, it's just what the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: Elfred?
Speaker 2: Like a ray of twenty four to seven. Yeah, But
but then he said, like it's just a new mushroom facility.
So it's like, Okay, well, I don't think he would
have his main base in like the place that he's
making all these drugs, but maybe he is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just gonna be the drugs and
he'll still well I was gonna say he'll have the
Iceberg Lounge because I'm still I'm I'm holding true. He's
gonna win this war and he's gonna be set up
in The Batman too, so he'll still have the lounge.
So I think this will just be the operations. And
like I said, I could see a cold open here
being of The Batman too, of Batman like breaking this
place down and you get a season of AWZ building
up find this this base and everything and the Batman
just fucking just destroys it and everything. So but yeah,
there any thoughts on how that might plan under the
Batman two.
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, I don't know. I don't have many thoughts.
I just need to see where this is kind of
gonna go. I I want I gotta rewatch the first
Batman because just seeing all these Oz scenes, it just
makes me want to go back to and watch it,
just with every time Batman encounters Oz and that Batman this,
oh god, what he's showing me? And then what's the
other thing he says? Like when he's driving away, he's like,
I got you? And then I rewatched this specific scene.
I keep rewatching the intro of the movie because it's
fucking great, just the whole setup. But what does he
say to Batman? He's talking to him Commissioner Gordon, and
he gives them like the lesson on.
Speaker 1: Do they speak Spanish? And it is funny like they've
kept it up in this show that he knows Spanish.
Even in this episode they start talking different languages like
just you know, so that's how I love that, Like
Gordon and Batman aren't like the grays of Spanish, but like, hey,
fucking Oswald knows that, so they don't make their criminal like, oh, yeah,
he's a complete idiot. He's like, no, he's smarter, but yeah,
he says anything else we haven't touched upon one.
Speaker 3: That's everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's well. I guess he's said goodbye to
his chariot.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 2: I like that he brought up that old gangster again again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just talking about.
Speaker 2: Just like the symbolism I guess to what the vehicle means.
And I like how Victor was like I'm sorry, man,
I'm sorry. I crushed it, Like no, you you did
your job. But I still like that.
Speaker 1: Scene again him kind of like romanticizing what he's gonna
be like but even in the prison when he's yeah,
I came after your son and you're gonna trade him,
and then they so like Maroney's wife is like, this
is not how things are done. So again just like
the show, like that's how the episode begins, him like
I want to be this gangster's respected, but then every
character is telling him like you're doing this in like
the non respectful like kind of Chet dirting Way right,
like you're not supposed to up people's kids and everything,
even Sophia, I feel like the same amount, right, Like
she didn't kill that kid, but she's still killed just
the family. You wouldn't do that. Well, well, we're just
gonna go adopt her and that's gonna be Robin or
something of their background.
Speaker 4: You know, she's gonna find the mushrooms and the Yeah,
but yeah, again, it comes back to that, And I
wonder at the end of this show if Oz wins,
does he look at himself in the mirror and he's
just like Walter right where he's like illogical and he's like, yeah,
that's me.
Speaker 1: I'm that gangster. Or he's gonna have some speech about
like how I want to be that gangster, but you know,
you just can't do that anymore and the world's changed
and you gotta do what's right and what's right. Like
I wonder if he's gonna push back against that legacy
he'ps talking about right, like in order to be successful,
he had to be a piece of shit. But that's
like the better way, and that's the new way. You
can't He might even blame on other people, like people
would let me be the guy I wanted to be,
Like I'm curious because that's again. He's referred back to
that a few times, and I thought it was very
risky for him to stand there or the car was
just on fire. I feel like you'd want to have
the conversation with the three guys away from there, not
from the explosion, just like cops and police are gonna
be showing up. Maybe Sofia Falcon, might you know, look
at that type of stuff. I don't know, but you know,
he was okay. So, but yeah, we will be back
next week for actually episode six, the real episode six.
We'll talk about that, break it down, and then we
will uh yeah, And then we got two more weeks. Well,
like I said, we still have to have a inside
baseball meeting. What we're gonna do on Extra Life Day.
You know, here's an episode six, so we gonna see
what happened there. We'll talk and I won't be boring