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Speaker 2: 911, what are you reporting? We got someone or something
Speaker 2: crawling around out here.
Speaker 3: Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Was it a person or an animal?
Speaker 3: I can't tell.
Speaker 2: All I know is that my sensor light came on
Speaker 2: and I just happened to glance and see this thing
Speaker 2: running across the yard. A good-sized man or something that
Speaker 2: looks like a man. I don't know what it was.
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Speaker 2: give voice to the mystery and those who pursue it.
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Speaker 2: in research and respect. We've interviewed eyewitnesses, experts, and skeptic alike,
Speaker 2: because understanding Bigfoot isn't just about belief. It's about the journey.
Speaker 2: Nearly two decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories.
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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, you better.
Speaker 2: Sheriff?
Speaker 4: See ya!
Speaker 3: Hello? Get somebody out here.
Speaker 2: And folks, we apologize for the delay tonight as we
Speaker 2: had an unusual situation there with the audio. I know myself,
Speaker 2: Matt Arner, Henry are here, Baker's there. But whether we
Speaker 2: can hear him or not, I don't know. He can
Speaker 2: still wave and pantomime and everything else he'd like to do. But, well, easy.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that was. And hopefully nobody else
Speaker 2: did either. Folks, I'm Sean, the Fork Shop Forker. I'm
Speaker 2: your host here on the Sasquatch Experience. And tonight we've
Speaker 2: got a great show for us. We're going to be
Speaker 2: talking about Bigfoot and wildfires. And quite the point of
Speaker 2: topic right now with, as we've all kind of dealt
Speaker 2: with these in one form or another, Baker. Rather, you're
Speaker 2: getting the smoke from the wildfires coming through your state
Speaker 2: Providence locale. I think the air quality is diminished for
Speaker 2: quite a few of us there for a little while,
Speaker 2: but it seems to have started to clear up a
Speaker 2: little bit. But interesting topic nonetheless. But before we get started, guys, one,
Speaker 2: how the hell are you doing? It's great to see
Speaker 2: you all this week.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: Blay.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Henry. How are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 5: I'm good. Like I said, I can't complain.
Speaker 2: We can. We don't care, but you can complain. Henry,
Speaker 2: our 20th year of Sasquatch experience, by the way.
Speaker 5: 20 years.
Speaker 2: 20 years.
Speaker 6: Can you believe we've been together that long?
Speaker 2: Actually, we've been together longer. Yeah.
Speaker 5: We're like a married couple.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: Baker's got the snaps, I guess. All right. I was
Speaker 6: testing the mic.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 5: Oh, there we go.
Speaker 6: The Canadians took my voice when they added the smoke.
Speaker 5: Blame Canada.
Speaker 2: We've gone back to the blog talk radio days a
Speaker 2: little bit with the technical issues tonight. You know, everybody's
Speaker 2: using a different streaming platform and we've stayed here. We
Speaker 2: were stream yards and we moved to stream labs and
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's any better, but nonetheless, I
Speaker 2: think we were able to get it started. And of course,
Speaker 2: we have our good listeners in the chat. Folks, we
Speaker 2: always depend on you to tell us how we're doing.
Speaker 2: We got our producer, Brian Corbett, hanging around. One of
Speaker 2: our number one super fans, Jay Charlotte. Good to see
Speaker 2: Jay here. And of course, Mr. Scott Dieterle, our man
Speaker 2: of the hour, man of the power, always supporting us
Speaker 2: no matter what we do, where we go. He's there
Speaker 2: in the mix letting us know how we're doing. And
Speaker 2: we appreciate each and every one of our supporters greatly.
Speaker 2: And I'm being told to pump up the jams. Pump
Speaker 2: it up. Pump it up. There we go. All right.
Speaker 2: And Matt, man, I know it's been a day for you, buddy.
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm doing good. I'm doing good. It was a rough
Speaker 4: day at work, but we got through it. And, you know,
Speaker 4: just looking forward and... I left for work today. I
Speaker 4: had the heat on in my truck.
Speaker 2: In the 60s here.
Speaker 4: When I left this morning.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was beautiful. And you know what?
Speaker 4: When that weather starts to cool, there's all sorts of
Speaker 4: animals that are on the move.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
Speaker 4: And this is when we generally start getting good reports
Speaker 4: between August through November.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Now is the time, and I'm pretty much all set
Speaker 4: to do some backcountry exploring this fall.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Matt, like I said, we've had no
Speaker 2: shortage of reports since the Central PA Bigfoot Conference, our festivals.
Speaker 2: At least a dozen reports have come in. And we
Speaker 2: had one of the newest members of what I'm calling
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch Experience Research Team, Brianna, who was kind of
Speaker 2: keeping us abreast of that sighting report that came in
Speaker 2: for the gentleman we're calling Randall, she actually went on
Speaker 2: site and did an investigation. And I'll tell you guys,
Speaker 2: we're going to have a full workup on that probably
Speaker 2: next week to the listeners. What we're trying to do
Speaker 2: on days where we're opposite having a show, Mondays we're opposite,
Speaker 2: we're going to put in one of the sightings we've
Speaker 2: investigated and kind of get some of the information out
Speaker 2: there to kind of keep you guys engaged and titillated
Speaker 2: with what's going on here at the Sasquatch Experience. Because
Speaker 2: keep in mind, We're not just a podcast. We're an
Speaker 2: investigation service. And we go out there and we take
Speaker 2: all these claims seriously. And we go out and provide
Speaker 2: it with excellent, you know, just top notch investigations. We're skilled.
Speaker 2: We have people we network. So if we can't get
Speaker 2: out there in a timely fashion, be rest assured, whoever
Speaker 2: we're going to pass you off to is going to
Speaker 2: be a qualified person. We feel that someone's going to
Speaker 2: take your report and be able to treat it with
Speaker 2: as much seriousness as we would.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: They have our stamp of approval, hence the Sasquatch Experience
Speaker 2: Research Team. And I'll be glad to get a workup.
Speaker 2: Brianna said I had full permission to post it. And Matt,
Speaker 2: you and I will work on that as we continue
Speaker 2: to work on our book, A Loose and Proof, coming
Speaker 2: to you soon at some point.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 2: I'm done talking there for a minute. Go ahead, Matt.
Speaker 2: Finish off where you were. It got cool. And then
Speaker 2: I went on. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So now, like I said, the reports are coming in. Uh, we're,
Speaker 4: it's not just prints or, uh, howls or, you know,
Speaker 4: your typical class B, but, uh, it was exciting to
Speaker 4: actually hear from a class A sighting that, that literally
Speaker 4: just occurred. Not only that, but going back to our
Speaker 4: small town monsters, uh, production of investigation Bigfoot, that was
Speaker 4: probably within 10 miles. of where the cabin was where
Speaker 4: we were staying at. And unfortunately I had to leave
Speaker 4: the night before, but, uh, or the day of when
Speaker 4: you guys had all that, um, uh, you know, all those, uh, uh,
Speaker 4: things going on. But, uh, it really, you know, if
Speaker 4: you're looking at it on, on a, on a face value,
Speaker 4: you have, you know, us going out there last fall, having,
Speaker 4: you know, some sort of experiences out there. Then you have,
Speaker 4: you know, now in August, you have a Class A sighting.
Speaker 4: During the Marionville Forest County Bigfoot Festival, just a number
Speaker 4: of locals came up to us and were telling us about,
Speaker 4: you know, the Class B encounters that they're having. We
Speaker 4: do try to rule out a lot with the howls.
Speaker 2: Is it an owl?
Speaker 4: Is it a coyote? Now we've got to deal with
Speaker 4: fisher cats here in Pennsylvania. Yes, sir. Could it be
Speaker 4: one of those three? Which fox? Fox make that female
Speaker 4: screaming sound. What does a fox sound?
Speaker 3: There it is.
Speaker 2: There it is. But we go through and.
Speaker 4: And out of these reports that we get, I'd probably
Speaker 4: say that there's about 15%, 15% to 20% that we
Speaker 4: just can't say for sure. We can't say that it's
Speaker 4: this or that or a coyote, an owl. And those
Speaker 4: are the ones that are unexplained. And then when you
Speaker 4: have other encounters, whether it's somebody seeing a print We
Speaker 4: had a lot of people come up to us and
Speaker 4: tell us about they had heard noises, they heard the footfalls,
Speaker 4: but then they had that odor that hit them. So
Speaker 4: the odor is definitely something that is enticing as well
Speaker 4: when it comes to the research for data. So we're
Speaker 4: putting all that together. We have some great people that
Speaker 4: we're working with. you know, we have, um, uh, you know, the, uh,
Speaker 4: the data, um, a person from Georgia, we have Mondo, um,
Speaker 4: and a few others that are, are putting all this,
Speaker 4: data together to try to come up with some sort of, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, some sort of, I can't say it's conclusive, but,
Speaker 4: but just something there that, that we could say, okay, when, uh,
Speaker 4: during August, uh, during this moon phase, during this weather pattern, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, this is more likely to appear. And speaking
Speaker 4: of which, too, I was talking with the guys from
Speaker 4: Study Sasquatch. Great, great guys. And Chris Spencer, in one
Speaker 4: of his videos, had put out a really interesting hypothesis
Speaker 4: about vocalizations, wood knocks. And he said, look at the
Speaker 4: moon phase. And he thinks that when it's dark, when
Speaker 4: the moon is in a new moon phase and it's
Speaker 4: dark out, that these creatures probably are closer together when
Speaker 4: they're on the hunt. When it's a full moon, when
Speaker 4: it's a waxing crescent, waning crescent, and that light is
Speaker 4: out there, that's when they're getting vocalizations, wood knocks and such.
Speaker 4: And he believes that it may be from them being
Speaker 4: more spread out, you know, because of the illumination factor.
Speaker 2: That's something I've always hypothesized too, Matt, is that, you know,
Speaker 2: I think the allure of a full moon makes everything
Speaker 2: spooky and exciting and whatnot. But I don't think it
Speaker 2: makes sense for an animal that depends on the cover
Speaker 2: of darkness to move to be so... Correct. active during
Speaker 2: a full moon uh and then if you look at
Speaker 2: the time of year like specifically you and i have
Speaker 2: always said how our area is incredibly active from the
Speaker 2: end of august through fall partner that with moon cycles
Speaker 2: and what do you see when do we see the
Speaker 2: most activity so that's what we're looking at and the
Speaker 2: more and more we feed to mondo you know our
Speaker 2: data guy the more and more he's able to uh
Speaker 2: really put it together. And I told you at the
Speaker 2: last festival we were at there and, uh, and, uh,
Speaker 2: Sealand's Grove, Susquehanna Valley Mall, Gwen's event, uh, Gwen Purcell, uh,
Speaker 2: he put that data out there for the public. And
Speaker 2: I was like a kid in a candy shop. Like
Speaker 2: I couldn't get enough of that. I had to keep
Speaker 2: stopping myself from interjecting in his presentation because I was
Speaker 2: just absolutely enthralled by what the data was showing that
Speaker 2: not what our Gut was, and not what our, you know,
Speaker 2: any of those things. I was excited by what the
Speaker 2: data was showing that he pulled out from the witness reports. Now,
Speaker 2: we know there's always room for error with data, right?
Speaker 2: You know, because it's witness reports. It's not infallible. That
Speaker 2: being said, still pretty good with what we've got. Bake,
Speaker 2: you were going to say something, and then we'll jump
Speaker 2: back to you.
Speaker 3: One, I wanted to say that that was a really
Speaker 3: good conference we had at the Susquehanna Mall. I liked
Speaker 3: a lot of the speakers. Never let Mondo give you
Speaker 3: a Mexican strawberry.
Speaker 6: Just going to put it out there.
Speaker 2: Brian, you're forgiven, by the way.
Speaker 3: One thing I would say is we also are looking
Speaker 3: at the opposite of the data. Everybody's looking at this
Speaker 3: data proves this exists, this data proves this exists. But
Speaker 3: also when you look at some of the data that
Speaker 3: they've collected, you can also say that it can't be
Speaker 3: a bear or it can't be a deer or it
Speaker 3: can't be a muskrat or it can't be something else.
Speaker 3: The data isn't just 100% proving it has to be
Speaker 3: a cryptid. It's proving that we don't know what it is,
Speaker 3: but we definitely know it's not a woolly mammoth. I
Speaker 3: know it's an extreme to say it, but if you
Speaker 3: think about it, the data they've been collecting, it's the
Speaker 3: same data that I collect when I'm up at my
Speaker 3: land or me and Forker go out for a stroll
Speaker 3: or something like that. We get, okay, we heard a noise. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: it can't be this, can't be this, can't be this.
Speaker 3: And that's the data you also need. We had a
Speaker 3: gentleman that came with his parents and he wanted to
Speaker 3: become a cryptozoologist. I said, first of all, no. Go
Speaker 3: outside and suck in nature. You know, go do some hikes,
Speaker 3: some other stuff. I said, get an idea what nature
Speaker 3: is before you think you saw something. Because that'll help
Speaker 3: you realize whether you saw something or your friends are
Speaker 3: too stupid to realize it's a skunk coming your way.
Speaker 6: And there's a story to that. Yeah, we have firsthand
Speaker 6: account of that one.
Speaker 3: You know, the guy who couldn't watch, the guy who
Speaker 3: fell in the hole could modify, could tell that that
Speaker 3: was not a bear or an elk or a Bigfoot
Speaker 3: coming at us, but a small animal.
Speaker 6: Wasn't sure it was a skunk, but knew damn well
Speaker 6: it wasn't a bear. So, I mean, this data that.
Speaker 3: They're collecting is not only just proof there's something odd
Speaker 3: out there, it disproves other things it could have been.
Speaker 2: I guess that's my on that. No, very good. Very good.
Speaker 2: We do have a full episode here, though. We may
Speaker 2: actually have to create a part two for it because
Speaker 2: it's almost 20 after nine already. We'd be doing the
Speaker 2: bullhorn advancements here. Vance is on assignment tonight, by the way.
Speaker 2: Just a note, though, upcoming on September 12th, myself, James Baker,
Speaker 2: and potentially Matt Arner will be in attendance at the
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and Bluegrass Festival in White Deer, Pennsylvania. I'll be speaking,
Speaker 2: but if those two are there, they'll also be with me.
Speaker 2: So you get a, uh, you get a, uh, at
Speaker 2: least a twofer or a threefer for your money folks.
Speaker 2: It's always a good time when we present together. We're,
Speaker 2: we're very interactive. It's, it's a great time.
Speaker 6: Usually there's wine taste.
Speaker 4: There's a much better.
Speaker 2: What's that Matt?
Speaker 4: There's a much better chance that I will be attending.
Speaker 2: Oh, very good. That'll be exciting. Cause we mentioned whiskey.
Speaker 5: Uh, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: This is the first one you've missed at the Central PA. And,
Speaker 2: you know, but unfortunately.
Speaker 4: And I'm bummed out.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: We were bummed out, too. But I really, I just
Speaker 2: sent my chair flying backwards because I really wanted you
Speaker 2: to see Mondo's presentation. It was amazing. I had a
Speaker 2: lot of fun at that. And anybody who was in attendance,
Speaker 2: I think, likewise, enjoyed that part. Thunderbird.
Speaker 4: I won an archery contest up in Elk County, so
Speaker 4: I had to go up and get my $ 500 gift certificate. Money! Yeah,
Speaker 4: two cellular game cameras, an elk target for archery, and
Speaker 4: an elk dartboard, which was actually pretty neat.
Speaker 6: An elk target? Is it like full size?
Speaker 5: Does it got the horns?
Speaker 4: No, it's actually a third the size. It does have
Speaker 4: the horns. James, I will get a picture for you
Speaker 4: tomorrow and send it in our group chat.
Speaker 2: A third-sized elk is still like, what, a deer target almost?
Speaker 2: It's a little bit bigger than a deer target? Yeah.
Speaker 6: Those things aren't cheap.
Speaker 2: It's the size of a deer.
Speaker 5: No, they're not.
Speaker 6: Those things aren't cheap, though. Wow, that's a good job.
Speaker 3: That's better than what I got for my 20 years
Speaker 3: at work.
Speaker 2: And listen, guys, whenever we go somewhere as a team
Speaker 2: and Baker and Matt either enter the contest or they raffle,
Speaker 2: one of them always wins. Sometimes between the two of them,
Speaker 2: they win almost everything. Oh, yes.
Speaker 6: And there's anger.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 6: We're like, did Baker play? And I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 6: I played.
Speaker 2: Last week, a week and a half, and it was
Speaker 2: really sad to me. Henry's announced his retirement from touring.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be doing conferences anymore. Is that right, Henry?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Henry, you've been doing them for how long?
Speaker 2: Like 20, 25 years you've been going to these?
Speaker 5: 18 years. I went to 18 events. That's pretty, that's
Speaker 5: pretty round number.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty, that's a pretty rough number. And, uh, Well,
Speaker 2: we're going to miss you at these Henry, but we
Speaker 2: are going to get the cardboard cut out of you
Speaker 2: there so people can still get their pictures taken.
Speaker 4: I just want to interject.
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: I do want to interject that there was somebody that
Speaker 4: was asking about speakers for a national Bigfoot conference and
Speaker 4: everyone's up there promoting themselves or promoting this person, that person.
Speaker 4: And I, I put up there, I said, listen, I said,
Speaker 4: if you're going to do a National Bigfoot Conference, you'd
Speaker 4: need one of what I consider the big three in
Speaker 4: Bigfoot historians. And that would be, number one, Todd Prescott.
Speaker 4: Number two, Daniel Perez. And number three, our own Henry May.
Speaker 4: And so hopefully they get a hold of you. So
Speaker 4: if they offer this, come out to the National Conference.
Speaker 4: Come out for that one. I think those are the
Speaker 4: big three, I think, in the Bigfoot world today is Henry, Daniel,
Speaker 4: and Todd.
Speaker 2: No, Matt doesn't whore me out, Baker, because he ends
Speaker 2: up going along with me. So it's not like we
Speaker 2: always give people the bang for their buck out of us. But,
Speaker 2: you know, Matt, you and Les were.
Speaker 6: I don't even get paid. I don't even get a billing.
Speaker 2: No, and you don't know pay attention to verbal cues
Speaker 2: either Matt and Les were featured on Eric Mental Investigates
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Jim Thorpe that's out now posted on our Sasquatch
Speaker 2: experience page go check it out I think you'll enjoy
Speaker 2: it Matt tell us a little bit about filming that
Speaker 2: experience how was that.
Speaker 4: Well I wasn't too happy about it because I The
Speaker 4: whole reason I was supposed to be there was to
Speaker 4: talk about the encounter that literally happened a quarter of
Speaker 4: a mile from where we were taping.
Speaker 2: And you know what?
Speaker 4: We got into this gentleman from Jim Thorpe who had
Speaker 4: a Class A sighting last August. Here we go in
Speaker 4: August again. And it was so similar to one of
Speaker 4: the reports that we got up in Luzerne County. which
Speaker 4: wasn't that far away. It's, and it's part of the Lehigh, uh,
Speaker 4: waterway system. And as the guys told me, I, I,
Speaker 4: the hair was standing on the back of my, my neck.
Speaker 6: Cause I, it was so similar to that experience.
Speaker 4: So I ended up talking about that and completely forgetting
Speaker 4: about the incident where the girl was washing dishes. And, uh,
Speaker 4: she looks out the back window and there's a gorilla
Speaker 4: staring at her. And then when she, uh, went to
Speaker 4: tell her parents, uh, Uh, everyone ran out and there
Speaker 4: was two big imprints, uh, in the, uh, mulch that
Speaker 4: was up by the, uh, or the kitchen window and
Speaker 4: the kitchen window is about six and a half feet
Speaker 4: up from the ground. So obviously it was something pretty big. And, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, that was the encounter I wanted to talk
Speaker 4: about and I totally forgot, but otherwise, Les did an
Speaker 4: awesome job.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Les did an awesome job, uh, uh, telling you about
Speaker 4: his encounters. We had, again, this gentleman who was riding
Speaker 4: on the Lehigh Trail between Whitehaven and Jim Thorpe, where
Speaker 4: he saw this creature. And that was a great experience.
Speaker 4: So it was. It was fantastic. But man, I wish
Speaker 4: I would have been able to Uh, tell that encounter
Speaker 4: about that, about that young lady that had seen the
Speaker 4: gorilla face. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what though? And it happens when we
Speaker 2: get involved in these things and you know it because
Speaker 2: it happens to us on the reg. We're in there.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about something else like tonight's show.
Speaker 2: And we ended up talking about something more that's pressing
Speaker 2: on our minds.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: And, uh, even happened when we were filming a little bit, uh,
Speaker 2: when we were doing the investigation, Bigfoot deal, uh, uh,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just part of it. You get into
Speaker 2: a good conversation, you get into a good rhythm, and
Speaker 2: then everything else goes out the window. But while we're
Speaker 2: talking about Small Town Monsters, there's a slight segue. August 30th,
Speaker 2: something that if you're a fan of Bigfoot, everybody needs
Speaker 2: to pay attention to. Go to Small Town Monsters on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Science and Sasquatch, the legacy of Jeff Meldrum. will be
Speaker 2: airing at 2 p.m. on Monday, August 30th. It's a
Speaker 2: Small Town Monsters special. I'm looking forward to that. We
Speaker 2: love our friends over at Small Town Monsters. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: have a little bit of bias, but they've always treated
Speaker 2: us well, but they always put out a top-notch production,
Speaker 2: and I think it would be nice to have something
Speaker 2: special done for Doc Meldrum. I mean, we were going
Speaker 2: to sponsor Dr. Meldrum at the Bigfoot camping adventure weekend.
Speaker 2: That didn't get to happen. That was a big pile
Speaker 2: of suck, as Baker would say. Very tragic for us.
Speaker 2: We didn't get that time. We did get Ron Moorhead,
Speaker 2: and it didn't turn into a weekend at Bernie's thing,
Speaker 2: so we were all right with that.
Speaker 6: Any weekend with Moorhead's better. But go tune in August 30th.
Speaker 2: 2 p.m., Small Town Monsters, Vines and Sasquatch, A Legacy
Speaker 2: of Dr. Jeff Meldrum. Of course, all these things will
Speaker 2: be posted on the Sasquatch Experience Facebook page. We do
Speaker 2: have a new website, SasquatchExperience.com. I took us off getting
Speaker 2: that up. It's a much better website for you guys
Speaker 2: to go and navigate to. And if you're so inclined,
Speaker 2: just as easy to go and become a member for
Speaker 2: $ 2 a month via our Patreon, which we're going to
Speaker 2: have a lot of our research stuff starting to post
Speaker 2: over there. I know we promised, promised, promised to bring
Speaker 2: you more content, but we have so much going on
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. I think you folks will be happy.
Speaker 2: The new website's just the beginning. A lot of stuff
Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 5: Oh, I hear the train.
Speaker 3: I hear the train a-coming.
Speaker 2: There we go. It's a little late tonight. little league
Speaker 2: world series in full effect here in williamsport pennsylvania james
Speaker 2: baker and i are uh dealing with that uh just
Speaker 2: just a small inconvenience in our lives to bring so
Speaker 2: much joy to uh the world with little league being
Speaker 2: here in our own backyards but now let's get in
Speaker 2: the the crux of things i can't talk tonight the
Speaker 2: crux i i quit somebody else want to take over
Speaker 2: here uh You know, a central question I have for
Speaker 2: you guys when we get started into this, do you
Speaker 2: think these wildfires are pushing Bigfoot out of hiding? If
Speaker 2: Sasquatch is a flesh and blood animal in North America,
Speaker 2: what happens when thousands or millions of its acres are burning?
Speaker 2: Where do they go? Do they go closer together? Do
Speaker 2: they go further into the woods? What say you? Let's
Speaker 2: get some questions and some dialogue going on this.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, James. Well, it's a good question.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Henry.
Speaker 5: We may not get the answer to it.
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think? Over all the years, Henry,
Speaker 2: you've done this. You've collected the stories, read the stories.
Speaker 2: What do you think? Why do we not get more sightings,
Speaker 2: or why do you think something hasn't been proven, given
Speaker 2: the nature of all these wildfires?
Speaker 3: Hmm. Hmm.
Speaker 6: Henry, you want me to take a crack at it?
Speaker 5: I don't know. You got it. Well, do it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: go ahead. Go ahead, babe. Okay.
Speaker 3: So my opinion on a lot of this is, and
Speaker 3: I've always had the two, I'm of the two schools
Speaker 3: of thought either.
Speaker 6: It's not real.
Speaker 3: And we've been, we've been, you know, hypothesizing or it's
Speaker 3: real and it's highly intelligent. I mean, the two, you know,
Speaker 3: have to kind of go together a little bit. I
Speaker 3: think the big thing with these wildfires and everything is...
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I have the name right,
Speaker 3: but I think it's Rene DeHinden.
Speaker 6: Was the one who studied the bears?
Speaker 3: No. No.
Speaker 6: Okay, Forker knows names.
Speaker 2: I know facts.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: So, he'll tell us in a minute when he's done
Speaker 3: pulling on whatever he's got over there.
Speaker 6: So, they.
Speaker 3: This person always looked at how do bears interact with
Speaker 3: their environment during certain times, certain moon cycles, certain things.
Speaker 2: John Mayanzinski was who you're looking at.
Speaker 5: John Mayanzinski. Thank you. Okay.
Speaker 3: But they looked at an animal that they could trustfully
Speaker 3: see and had things that were exact. Like a lot
Speaker 3: of the people look at the great apes and they
Speaker 3: go and they use that as a base. in the
Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest and, you know, the Dakotas and all that.
Speaker 3: And then the woods, you know, Pennsylvania woods, they look
Speaker 3: at the bears because it's a large enough animal and
Speaker 3: it would be affected by the same thing that a
Speaker 3: larger animal that was a carnivore slash herbivore would be
Speaker 3: affected by. So what you would look at is these California, Oregon,
Speaker 3: Canada wildfires. Even if the fire doesn't directly do it,
Speaker 3: I live in Pennsylvania and the fire was in Canada.
Speaker 3: And I still got some process during for like a week.
Speaker 3: So anybody that was in like North or South Dakota
Speaker 3: or Chicago, you know, Illinois, Chicago, all those places were
Speaker 3: choking for like a month. So these animals have, you know,
Speaker 3: if the animal is there, it has to be affected.
Speaker 3: And it's got to be, you know, finding places where
Speaker 3: it's clearer. I would think with the way smoke works
Speaker 3: and things like that, they would go to lower elevations.
Speaker 3: They would be closer to things that would block the wind.
Speaker 3: But again, if you look at a bear, you could
Speaker 3: see what their movements are and then you.
Speaker 6: Might be able to track. Because we're all one big guessers.
Speaker 3: That was the one thing I tried to point out
Speaker 3: to the gentleman that wanted to be a cryptozoologist. I said,
Speaker 3: A big portion of what we do is walking around
Speaker 3: the woods and guess, you know. So, I mean, I
Speaker 3: would say study bears in those local areas, see what
Speaker 3: they're doing. That might give you an idea of what's
Speaker 3: going on. All right, Henry, I'm sorry I cut you off.
Speaker 3: It's your turn again.
Speaker 5: No, no, no. I couldn't put a bear myself, babe.
Speaker 2: Matt, what say you, sir?
Speaker 4: I mean, I have a lot of things to say about,
Speaker 4: you know, with the wildfires first, it's not like people
Speaker 4: and we haven't emergency exit, you know, where you see
Speaker 4: all the deer coming out and all the elk coming
Speaker 4: out and all the bear coming out. They're scattered and
Speaker 4: they're scattering into the areas that aren't under the threat
Speaker 4: of wildfire. And with that, unless you had somebody encircling the,
Speaker 4: every 20 yards around a radius of a wildfire, you're
Speaker 4: not going to see every animal that comes out of it.
Speaker 4: So there's also ways that some animals will burrow to
Speaker 4: escape the wildfire. Again, you're getting very high temperatures, but
Speaker 4: in some of the wildfires, it's just burning off vegetation
Speaker 4: and wood, and it's not burning into the soil as
Speaker 4: much as it would maybe with like the California wildfires
Speaker 4: in Malibu where they were just, you know, just super
Speaker 4: high temperature numbers going into that. So they do, you know,
Speaker 4: they're going to escape. Animals are going to find their
Speaker 4: way to survive. The wildfires have been going on since
Speaker 4: we've had oxygen and everything else going here. So, animals
Speaker 4: know how to keep themselves alive during these times.
Speaker 2: We do have a question there from our panel. What
Speaker 2: do they do with animal carcasses that get burned up
Speaker 2: in wildfires?
Speaker 3: What do the state do? Well, I would think they
Speaker 3: would probably have some kind of machines that go through
Speaker 3: the grind up the trees and grind up everything and
Speaker 3: kind of almost like you'd be almost.
Speaker 6: Like a mass grave, you know, where you grind it
Speaker 6: into the ground.
Speaker 2: Well, here in Pennsylvania, you know, they pick up roadkill
Speaker 2: and they have, I don't know what you call them. Uh, body.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Body piles that they throw these carcasses in or as, uh,
Speaker 2: uncle Z likes to put it lunch. Um, uh, But
Speaker 2: they do, at least in Pennsylvania, they do collect the
Speaker 2: dead animals and dispose of them in large pits or
Speaker 2: what have you. In fact, we've had reports in Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: of these locations being visited by Sasquatch. So it's very
Speaker 2: interesting to think that. Well, and, you know, Brian, you
Speaker 2: kind of set me up to segue into one of
Speaker 2: my favorite encounters that Whenever I think of wildfires or,
Speaker 2: you know, big fires, and Henry, you'll probably relate right
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was going.
Speaker 4: You do? Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you probably saw me pick up the book, The Locals,
Speaker 2: by Tom Powell. This has a great story in it.
Speaker 2: Tom Powell wrote this. And, of course, page 218, published
Speaker 2: by Hancock House. Let me just read the account. This
Speaker 2: compelling account was sent to the BFRO website on Sunday,
Speaker 2: August 8, 1999. Two days earlier, a complex of range
Speaker 2: fires was started by lightning strikes as convective thunderstorms formed
Speaker 2: in the hot, dry August air over Battle Mountain, Nevada.
Speaker 2: This area is a mining district riddled with abandoned mining
Speaker 2: tunnels and shafts. The juniper and scrubby sagebrush of the
Speaker 2: mountainous terrain around Battle Mountain exploded into several simultaneous range
Speaker 2: fires in what would eventually be known as the Battle
Speaker 2: Mountain Complex Fire. This is the report that the BFRO
Speaker 2: received before the fires even got large enough to make
Speaker 2: the news. This was 7 August 1999, Battle Mountain, Nevada.
Speaker 2: And the person writes, I observed an animal wounded by
Speaker 2: fire moving on all fours not like a bear, more
Speaker 2: like an ape. Firefighters captured animal, contacted local vet and
Speaker 2: medical doctor.
Speaker 5: U.S.
Speaker 2: Department of Fish and Wildlife, Department of Interior, Bureau of
Speaker 2: Land Management on the scene. Animal tranquilized and moved to
Speaker 2: unknown location. Those at scene told not to talk about
Speaker 2: what they saw. Approximate animal 7.5 feet tall, long, Human-like
Speaker 2: arms and legs. Face not like man or ape, but
Speaker 2: mixed between. Genitalia.
Speaker 3: Male.
Speaker 2: Uncircumcised and human-like.
Speaker 5: Hair.
Speaker 2: Covering most of its body except chest. Chest has hair,
Speaker 2: but sparse. Hands with sparse hair. Palms bare with five
Speaker 2: digits with human opposition of thumb in fifth digit.
Speaker 6: Speech.
Speaker 2: Attempted to communicate with caregivers once it realized they were
Speaker 2: attempting to careful. Multiple burns to hands, feet, legs, and body.
Speaker 2: some second and third degree burns using rule of nines,
Speaker 2: approximate 45% of body with burns. Doctor and vet working
Speaker 2: together providing care and moved it to unknown location. This
Speaker 2: notice is given in violation of orders given by BLM, DOI,
Speaker 2: and DF & W. Witnesses numbered in the area of
Speaker 2: 20 to 25. Word is out in the government agencies
Speaker 2: and among the firefighters since an MD was called out.
Speaker 2: Many thought a firefighter was injured. Please note that I
Speaker 2: am a government employee, one of the listed agencies fighting
Speaker 2: brush fire in Wilderness Area of Nevada. Large-scale fire, approximately 70,000 acres, burned.
Speaker 2: And under orders not to disclose information. I believe a
Speaker 2: cover-up is in the making. People need to know. The
Speaker 2: animal needs to be kept alive, studied, and released in
Speaker 2: protected area. So that was kind of like it was
Speaker 2: given in a pretty matter-of-fact kind of manner.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Somebody who works in law enforcement, does that sound like
Speaker 2: a report that came from somebody in law enforcement with
Speaker 2: syntax and, and the way it was communicated out very staccato?
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, it sounds like it would be
Speaker 4: a report written by someone that's in the, you know,
Speaker 4: emergency management, you know, first responder program, but I don't,
Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, I've, There's so many stories about,
Speaker 4: you know, from Mount St. Helens, you know, some of
Speaker 4: these other wildfires. And, you know, I think at some
Speaker 4: point there would have been a body, something recovered and,
Speaker 4: you know, made public at this point.
Speaker 2: Baker, I heard at home, what's your reservations?
Speaker 3: I think Matt hits the biggest problem that we all have.
Speaker 3: And we've had this discussion multiple times. It's nice to
Speaker 3: see that they mentioned it was a humanoid one, not
Speaker 3: a red rocket. But the other discussion we have a
Speaker 3: lot is, is that I don't ever think we're ever
Speaker 3: going to find a body by, there's not going to
Speaker 3: be somebody hunting Bigfoot and he shoots it in the
Speaker 3: woods or whatever.
Speaker 6: It's going to be Sally.
Speaker 3: Aunt Sally had a few extra margaritas and she hit
Speaker 3: something with her car and that didn't get her a
Speaker 3: homicide charge. And, and now she's a multimillionaire because in Texas,
Speaker 3: she's making money right left, you know? And, and I
Speaker 3: think that's how, if they find a body, that's going
Speaker 3: to happen. It's not going to be accidentally, or it's
Speaker 3: not going to be whatever, because. Well, that would be accidentally.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's not, sorry. It's not going to
Speaker 6: be purposely.
Speaker 5: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: I don't think somebody walking out, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, um, I was reading something about dinosaurs,
Speaker 3: and before the 1800s, they assessed that any bones they
Speaker 3: found that might be dinosaur-ish were the fabled dragons and
Speaker 3: some of the fabled creatures that were mentioned in the
Speaker 3: old books and stuff, until science said, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: that's a dinosaur. And the same with, like, we see
Speaker 3: the great apes and some of the other ones is,
Speaker 3: you know, We as human beings, you know, we weren't
Speaker 3: the only human type thing sharing the planet. We're just
Speaker 3: the ones that seem to flourish and survive better. You know,
Speaker 3: you look 200,000 years ago and they had the Cro-Magnon
Speaker 3: man and they had this man and, you know, this
Speaker 3: different forms that we kind of all merged together to,
Speaker 3: you know, the epitome of what we are now, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think that we either haven't found it right
Speaker 3: the bodies or like I said is that it's intelligent
Speaker 3: and it finds a way to get rid of them.
Speaker 2: You know just for the record James Baker is not
Speaker 2: a professional anthropologist so his human tree and the history of.
Speaker 3: You know that stupid little timeline that shows the little
Speaker 3: caveman and then shows the guy with the iPod.
Speaker 6: Yeah We're going backwards now, but whatever.
Speaker 2: And on behalf of the Sasquatch experience, we do want
Speaker 2: to apologize for all the Aunt Sallys out there that
Speaker 2: Baker just called alcoholics and may have committed vehicular homicide.
Speaker 6: You guys all have an Aunt Sally, and you're damn
Speaker 6: well she's a drinker.
Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, I think mine's a Doris.
Speaker 5: That's not nice. It's Ada.
Speaker 2: And Ada. Anyhow. Enabling.
Speaker 5: Enabling.
Speaker 6: Listen, at the event over the weekend, it was my
Speaker 6: sister that was the drunk.
Speaker 3: Remember?
Speaker 2: She's never going to forgive me for that. Anyhow, but
Speaker 2: this Battle Mountain, Nevada story, you know, we've talked about
Speaker 2: this for some time. And what's interesting to me is
Speaker 2: it didn't seem like there was any kind of real
Speaker 2: hoopla about it. You know, we, you know, Henry, 1999,
Speaker 2: Internet was still consistent. of just getting its kicks going
Speaker 2: with Bigfoot, right? There weren't a whole lot of websites
Speaker 2: around yet. And I don't know if Bigfoot forums was
Speaker 2: even around quite yet at that time, but maybe the
Speaker 2: Henry Franzoni's virtual Bigfoot conference would have been, would have
Speaker 2: been around, but, You know, the fact Tom Powell got
Speaker 2: this story and the BFRO and that, you know, they
Speaker 2: took it seriously and went through it. I think some
Speaker 2: of the things that are interesting to me is the,
Speaker 2: how they treated it, you know, with an MD and
Speaker 2: a veterinarian. I mean, Matt, as somebody with long, would
Speaker 2: that sound like something that would be even possible or
Speaker 2: that they would, somebody would attempt?
Speaker 4: You know, so when we have wildfires or we don't
Speaker 4: have veterinarians like on call or anything like that, I mean,
Speaker 4: we're taking care of the humans. So if there are
Speaker 4: any people with veterinary experience, they're going to be almost
Speaker 4: like first responders too. You know, just say if there's
Speaker 4: a horse. that were a pack mule that was brought
Speaker 4: in and got an injury during one of these firefights.
Speaker 4: They would take that, do the first aid, and then
Speaker 4: remove it to an emergency animal hospital.
Speaker 2: As we go through and look at some more of
Speaker 2: these stories, there's a Shaver Lake encounter in 2026 Fresno County. Man,
Speaker 2: you know, I just got to ask you guys, you know,
Speaker 2: and your personal thoughts on this, because I just don't
Speaker 2: want to spend the whole episode talking about Battle Mountain, Nevada, right?
Speaker 2: That was a very interesting story. Had some very interesting
Speaker 2: takeaways from it. It could also be fantasy, right? It's
Speaker 2: very detailed. And sometimes when you have something so detailed
Speaker 2: like that, you wonder the veracity of it just because
Speaker 2: it's so.
Speaker 4: Clear.
Speaker 2: It's clear and full of information. And, you know, I
Speaker 2: encourage everybody to pick up a copy of The Locals. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: it's probably my second favorite Bigfoot book next to John
Speaker 2: Green's The Apes Among Us. I do enjoy The Locals.
Speaker 2: There's some great stories in there. And pick it up.
Speaker 2: Go read it. Starts on page 218 moving forward. And
Speaker 2: we'd love to have your opinions on it. Post them
Speaker 2: on the show page so we can see what you're
Speaker 2: thinking about it. A little homework assignment for you tonight.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Henry.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Baker.
Speaker 3: Matt, I have a question as a police officer. Sorry,
Speaker 3: the echo is.
Speaker 3: When you take statements and other things, is it easier
Speaker 3: to lie when they have more facts or when they
Speaker 3: generally just have no clue what went on and they
Speaker 3: don't really think?
Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean? The difference?
Speaker 4: I know the difference. There's classes in statement analysis. that
Speaker 4: will answer that so i don't really want to give
Speaker 4: the answers out uh you know on the podcast but
Speaker 4: there when you analyze the statement there are clues that
Speaker 4: we look for for someone that's embellishing versus someone that
Speaker 4: may have to think back to to what happened.
Speaker 6: So it's just not vocal. It's also like words, music,
Speaker 6: and dance. That's how they say it. It's what they do.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: Communication is only, what, 10% of actually talking. The rest
Speaker 4: of it is how we express it.
Speaker 2: Body language, as Ursula would say in The Little Mermaid. Dum, dum, dum, dum. Poor,
Speaker 2: unfortunate skull. Anyhow.
Speaker 6: She got done wrong.
Speaker 5: She did.
Speaker 2: Justice for Ursula hashtag. We anyhow. So back to.
Speaker 6: The big girls with tentacles.
Speaker 2: And there it is, folks.
Speaker 5: Good night. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2: That's not the show I wanted to have. But when
Speaker 2: we look at these sighting reports for, you know, and
Speaker 2: Jeremiah over on Bigfoot Society, he put out an infogram
Speaker 2: the other day for folks to kind of report encounters
Speaker 2: that were happening in the. Let me see if I
Speaker 2: can at least. I'll pull it up here. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you guys all saw it or not. Our
Speaker 2: good friend Jeremiah over there from Bigfoot going through it.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, pulling for him as always as
Speaker 2: he goes through his battle with cancer. Unfortunately, we just
Speaker 2: send our love and support out for him. And it's
Speaker 2: not just a stall because I can't pull it up.
Speaker 2: But anyhow, he put up this great infographic, you know,
Speaker 2: asking folks that if you are having or know of
Speaker 2: any experiences or sightings, please report them. And I think
Speaker 2: it's incredibly important that that happens because one of the
Speaker 2: things that I've had thought is that activity around natural
Speaker 2: disasters would pick up. And I don't know if there's
Speaker 2: a true correlation to that or not. And I didn't
Speaker 2: really think about it until Baker gave me this premise
Speaker 2: yesterday when we were kind of beating around the bush
Speaker 2: for a show topic. And he goes, well, how about
Speaker 2: the wildfires? And again, you know, my thought is, where
Speaker 2: are they going to go? Do they retreat into these
Speaker 2: tunnels and caves and mines? Or do they try to
Speaker 2: progress further and deeper into the woods? Or, you know,
Speaker 2: what happens? I don't have a good answer. You know,
Speaker 2: but then also keep in mind that if it's affecting
Speaker 2: them and their homes, what's it doing to their food supply?
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: They have to adjust for that. So do they go
Speaker 2: into more scavenger mode? And then do you have more
Speaker 2: contact with people because Bigfoot's raiding my shed, you know,
Speaker 2: or going after my chickens? You know, what's that look like?
Speaker 4: And I think we've seen that before in other disasters
Speaker 4: where animals will Sometimes if it's like, just say earthquake,
Speaker 4: animals sense the earthquakes before scientists do. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: you hear about the birds, the mammals that leave an area,
Speaker 4: you know, in mass. And a day later, two days later,
Speaker 4: there's a massive earthquake. It would be similar to the wildfire.
Speaker 4: You know, there's going to be, you know, cues there,
Speaker 4: you know, whether the smell of the smoke. a change
Speaker 4: in temperature, wind direction, that's going to, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of be that, you know, early alarm system for these
Speaker 4: animals to go. Now, you have, you know, a large mammal,
Speaker 4: you know, whether it's a Bigfoot, a bear, that's going
Speaker 4: to be leaving the area. But what else is leaving
Speaker 4: the area? You also have the prey. They're leaving there
Speaker 4: as well. You know, the deer, like I said, the mice.
Speaker 4: some of the, some of the other LA Pika rats
Speaker 4: and stuff, they're going to find places to, to burrow
Speaker 4: down and, and, and wait it out. But some of
Speaker 4: the other, you know, general, uh, uh, birds that would
Speaker 4: be food are going to be going with them.
Speaker 2: No, I, and that's a great question. That's kind of
Speaker 2: called the prey displacement question there, Matt, is what you
Speaker 2: were just talking about. And that, uh, again, you start
Speaker 2: taking away some of the food opportunities, you would think
Speaker 2: contact with people would increase. And, you know, I go
Speaker 2: back to the 70s after the flood of, I believe,
Speaker 2: Agnes up this way, there was an Amish person who
Speaker 2: reported a Bigfoot raiding their storeroom, you know, that their
Speaker 2: root cellar on their back porch, I guess it was
Speaker 2: kind of a root cellar-esque type deal, looking for food.
Speaker 2: And so when these you would think there would be
Speaker 2: more sightings that kick up. A question from Uncle Zen
Speaker 2: there in the chat, he goes, with all the game
Speaker 2: lands and such in Lycoming County, why do we not
Speaker 2: have very many sightings or people saying they see prints
Speaker 2: or smell something foul?
Speaker 6: Well, we do.
Speaker 2: The key is getting them to report them. And so
Speaker 2: it never fails that whenever we go and do one
Speaker 2: of these reports, what do you call them at town
Speaker 2: halls or festivals or conferences? Somebody comes in and provides
Speaker 2: us with some new information. Oh, Hey, have you ever
Speaker 2: been out to this area? Oh yeah, we have. We've
Speaker 2: been out there, you know, quite a few times. Um,
Speaker 2: but it's just really, especially up here in this part
Speaker 2: of the state, shaking off that stigma. We are a
Speaker 2: very rural hunting, fishing community up these ways. People don't
Speaker 2: want to sully that with, uh, you know, what they
Speaker 2: perceive to be silliness, or they don't want to get
Speaker 2: kicked out of their hunting or fishing lodge. Sometimes that
Speaker 2: in itself is worth its weight. It's gold.
Speaker 5: Is it not? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: That is true. That's life.
Speaker 6: You know, you don't want to get kicked out of that.
Speaker 6: And then you get that reputation.
Speaker 2: Oh, you use. Well, and again, case in point to
Speaker 2: that guy that we had that, uh, in 2016, he
Speaker 2: didn't want us to even, uh, wear anything with Bigfoot
Speaker 2: on it or have anything in our vehicles. When we
Speaker 2: were out there, we were just friends coming up to
Speaker 2: check out the hunting lodge. He didn't want any of.
Speaker 6: Us because he didn't want people to. He didn't want
Speaker 6: the promo.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't. He didn't want that.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, that's the best way to say it. And,
Speaker 2: you know, and I think Steve posts, likewise, with all
Speaker 2: the work going on out past Barber State Game Lands. Now,
Speaker 2: out that way, there's been reports near the pheasant farm
Speaker 2: and up in the spring conservation camp out that way
Speaker 2: where they were dumping stone. So there are sightings. It's
Speaker 2: just getting folks to report them, one in a timely fashion,
Speaker 2: because a lot of times we get these reports. They
Speaker 2: happened 10, 15 years ago, not 10, 15 hours ago. Lately,
Speaker 2: however— We've had some really good reports that have come through.
Speaker 2: You know, stepping back into this, those are some really
Speaker 2: good questions, guys. So thank you for those. Fire is
Speaker 2: not always ecologically negative, right? Sometimes there's a purpose for
Speaker 2: controlled burns. And, you know, I'm sure that probably weighs
Speaker 2: into this whole scenario as well. It also re-enriches the land.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As bad as it sounds, it does because the charcoal
Speaker 3: and the other stuff and a lot of the old
Speaker 3: wood that was making it, that the new trees didn't
Speaker 3: get enough light and water, they're getting out of the way.
Speaker 3: You know, the animals that died, you know, the chemicals
Speaker 3: coming off of them and the bone.
Speaker 6: Meal and the blood meal.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It makes the forest richer. Renutrizes it. Renutrizes it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It gets its goodies back, and that's a very
Speaker 2: important part of the ecological balance right there. But also,
Speaker 2: how long does it take for these animals to come back?
Speaker 2: Once it does burn, when will they start revisiting and
Speaker 2: coming to it? So could sightings drop in areas because
Speaker 2: of these situations? So Canada, rich in Bigfoot sightings, right?
Speaker 2: Depending on the Pacific Northwest, one of these major disasters happened.
Speaker 2: Do sightings drop off? And again, for our data-crunching nerd
Speaker 2: friends out there, that might be something to look at
Speaker 2: and to consider. I mean, there's a lot to this,
Speaker 2: and we're about out of time already, and I know
Speaker 2: we started a little late.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 2: Folks, again, does any of this equate to An influx
Speaker 2: or a decrease in sightings? We don't know. We just
Speaker 2: thought it'd be fun to talk about for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Check out the book, The Locals, by Tom Powell. Page
Speaker 2: 218 starts the Battle Mountain, Nevada story. It's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite ones in the book to go check out.
Speaker 2: And again, we'll go around the horn. Any final thoughts
Speaker 2: from you gentlemen here before we wrap it up for
Speaker 2: the night? As we wrap it up for the night. Matt,
Speaker 2: we'll start with you. We'll go down around the horn here,
Speaker 2: at least in my horn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I was going to say with the wildfires,
Speaker 4: there are benefits. I know we had a wildfire up
Speaker 4: in Elk County that burned quite a few acres. And within,
Speaker 4: you know, a year and a half, the elk were
Speaker 4: just all over that place because there was minerals. Like
Speaker 4: what James had said, there was a chemical process that
Speaker 4: brought some minerals up that were actually, uh, very good
Speaker 4: for the elk, uh, the deer. And, uh, and in
Speaker 4: turn with them basically doing this natural, they're almost like
Speaker 4: natural farmers, you know, is sitting there with their hooves,
Speaker 4: you know, going over the, all this burnt land. Well,
Speaker 4: you know, they're, they're creating a new environment and new ecosystem,
Speaker 4: which was really good. So, um, Again, large animals, they
Speaker 4: seem to get out of the fire, and when they
Speaker 4: come back, they work hand-in-hand with nature to bring the
Speaker 4: forest back.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Henry, what say you?
Speaker 7: Well, we are fortunate enough not to have any forest
Speaker 7: pyres close to us, but if we were to have
Speaker 7: a forest fire, it would be at the local wildlife refuge.
Speaker 7: If we were to have something like that, it would
Speaker 7: be pretty devastating. Because that's quite an ecosystem there that's
Speaker 7: in that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely an ebb and flow to the natural order
Speaker 2: of things. But, you know, in the short term, the
Speaker 2: situation could be quite devastating. Baker, any final thoughts for you, buddy?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the big thing is that we've learned
Speaker 3: is that at the end of the day, we have
Speaker 3: to look at all existing evidence and see what it
Speaker 3: is and what it's not.
Speaker 6: And that we have to come in with a scientific.
Speaker 3: Mind, but a researcher's heart. And we keep doing that. Eventually,
Speaker 3: we're going to figure something out. I mean, there's got
Speaker 3: to be a plateau somewhere. I mean, the world's getting
Speaker 3: smaller every day. you know, we talk about encroachment of
Speaker 3: us encroaching into, you know, other animals domain. Eventually there'll
Speaker 3: be a point where there's nowhere for something that big
Speaker 3: to hide, you know?
Speaker 2: Well, will we see it in our lifetime? I don't
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of land to go.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Still, you know, as these ecological disasters happen and, you know,
Speaker 2: whether it's a controlled situation or just, you know, lightning
Speaker 2: strikes and then that burn baby burn, um, You know,
Speaker 2: I guess we have to hold and wait and see. Folks,
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