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<v Speaker 1>Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one The Eagle,

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<v Speaker 1>the last segment of the week on a Friday. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you got big plans this weekend. We would love

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<v Speaker 1>it if your plans would include you going to Rollertown

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<v Speaker 1>Beer Works in Salina this weekend. That's the brewery that

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<v Speaker 1>Ben and I are partners in, and we're both going

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<v Speaker 1>to be there this weekend on separate days. Now, Ben,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going tomorrow. You're gonna get there around noontime on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mueller Wagu Beef.

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<v Speaker 2>Is going to be serving up grub. That is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be fantastic. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I always love Mueller Wago. They're an actual Wagou ranch.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have. This is the only place you can

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<v Speaker 1>get their stuff. It's like they have one food truck

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to get it directly from them, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's always just incredible. They that's a good place

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<v Speaker 1>to go over We're just looking to have lunch. Just

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<v Speaker 1>come have some Mueller Wago tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then later in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of our Burns Celebration fourth Annuel Burns Night

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<v Speaker 1>celebration at Rollertown Beer Works, and as part of that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're re releasing The Landlord, which is a seventy shilling.

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<v Speaker 2>Scotch ale and it is awesome. It's one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite at beers.

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<v Speaker 1>Later in the night, we'll have proper baking company there,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have music, and then I'm going on Sunday for

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL Championship game Action. I'll be there around two o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Jazzy Tacos will be there. We have crushable pictures playoff pitchers,

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<v Speaker 1>so our pilsners and our loggers twelve fifty for a pitcher,

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<v Speaker 1>so come on out. We have jazzy tacos on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be watching the games. Just come hang with your boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Been in skin this weekend at roller Town Beer Works

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<v Speaker 1>in Salana, Texas. But right now it's time for this kill.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing's big, that's right, Cynthia. It's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Shuffle version of The Big Finish, and Ben, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the best way to get into this. I started

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<v Speaker 1>reading this article and I was like, man, this is

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<v Speaker 1>so great that I kind of just want to read

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<v Speaker 1>a couple passages and then we.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an article from I don't know what it's from

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<v Speaker 1>headline Kevin Costner hopes Netflix will bail him out of

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<v Speaker 1>Horizon debt, a hole he has dug for himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's jump in, shall we?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Costner is looking to the Horizon now that his

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<v Speaker 1>Horizon on American Saga Chapter one is racking up impressive

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<v Speaker 1>viewership numbers on Netflix. The actor, who is seventy, is

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that the streaming giant will buy him out so

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<v Speaker 1>he can settle his debts.

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<v Speaker 2>Life and Style reports here's a quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin is good at projecting calm experience in a generally

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<v Speaker 1>level head, but behind the scenes, the whole Horizon project

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<v Speaker 1>has been stressful to him financially, physically, and even intellectually.

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<v Speaker 1>A source familiar with the project told the outlet, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's start there. The seventy year old who was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do Was there six parts to this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember? Yeah, at least when they're or is

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<v Speaker 2>it four movies? I'm not sure. I'm not only three

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<v Speaker 2>but three three hour movies? It was four to three

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<v Speaker 2>hour movies?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so it was He met off a lot, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had I think he shot all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but then edited the first two and the first one

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<v Speaker 1>bombed so poorly. The second one was also at the

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<v Speaker 1>corn Film Festival, so critics saw it and destroyed the

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<v Speaker 1>second one, but it never got released. So the first

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<v Speaker 1>one cost him thirty six million. No no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I have that wrong. The first one cost him one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million. Oh and it made thirty six at the theater.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first one, which doesn't even include the price

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<v Speaker 1>of the others, lost sixty four million dollars before it

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<v Speaker 1>went to the streaming platform. Number two was in the can,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't release it because Number one was such

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>However, people are watching it on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is right my wheelhouse because I typically

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<v Speaker 1>like anything Kevin Costner is in night time.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear him or see him, and he's not in

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<v Speaker 2>a movie. I don't like it near as much.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying that, now, he's a good actor, he's a good

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<v Speaker 1>starting quarterback for a project. You could win a championship

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<v Speaker 1>with him as your starting quarterback. He's a leading man,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no question about that. But he seems really pretentious

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<v Speaker 1>and way into himself when I see him talk and

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<v Speaker 1>I see.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, No, what dude.

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<v Speaker 1>You can win with him as a quarterback. But he

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<v Speaker 1>also wants to run the offense. Yeah, and make all

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<v Speaker 1>the moves actually right, you know. And that's where it

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<v Speaker 1>gets difficult. And this is where his ego got out

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<v Speaker 1>of control because he's like, oh, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Movie business is dying.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me pull my ten pounder out and put

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<v Speaker 1>it on the table and let it breathe like a catfish.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone look at it. I'm going to make a western

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<v Speaker 1>that's four movies. It's it's an epic and four three

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<v Speaker 1>hour movies. And you know what, I'm gonna pay for

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<v Speaker 1>it all and watch people flock to Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>no one went and saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's why.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the first one Hu And anytime he was

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<v Speaker 1>on screen, I'm like, Okay, this is pretty good. Anytime

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<v Speaker 1>he was off screen, I was like, now when is

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<v Speaker 1>he back on screen? Like what are they doing? And

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<v Speaker 1>part of it was they waited so long for him

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the screen, and they're trying to tell

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<v Speaker 1>a story that is a movie or four movies long,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is, and so it's hard to that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes a long time to set up in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>This would have been way better off as a Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>series because you have the ability to you know, develop

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<v Speaker 1>these characters and do these things. But man, what was

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<v Speaker 1>the what's the thing on Netflix with the lawyers? That

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<v Speaker 1>was everyparn know that everybody watched with the hot shot lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy go to law school, lock cats.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a hot shot lawyer that didn't go to law school.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna work for your law firm and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>he Suits. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Suits comes out on Netflix a gazillion years after

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<v Speaker 1>it's out in real life, and it becomes the number

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<v Speaker 1>one show in America. And so part of it has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with fishing where the fish are biting. The

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<v Speaker 1>fish aren't biting at movie theaters. The fish are biting

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<v Speaker 1>on Netflix. So put your content in front of Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>and it has a chance to do even better. And

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<v Speaker 1>you never know, there's no rhyme or reason as to

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I have I have a thought on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it depends on the audience and defend depends

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<v Speaker 1>on the platform. But I'm basing this off of my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter's viewing habits. You know, my daughter has watched every

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<v Speaker 1>single mett of Blind Craze anatomy. Oh really, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what is there decades of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very standard nighttime soap. Turn your brain off

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<v Speaker 1>with good looking people. And I saw at least four

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<v Speaker 1>and a half minutes of suits, and it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>turn your brain off good looking people like the same thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're not really going to do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>engagement with suits.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe it changes over time. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I saw a very short amount of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it reminded me of that formula that I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>many times. It Gray's Anatomy totally works. Grey's Anatomy was

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<v Speaker 1>a phenomenon. And then oh my god, there's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Macdreamy. And you know, it's just it was a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that people like to turn their or The Bachelor

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<v Speaker 1>the same kind of thing, right, And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>those things do great for people that just want to

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<v Speaker 1>plow through stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's like Yellowstone, Yellowstone wildly popular. It's not deep material.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just entertainment for your brain. It's just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a crazy character.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all so it's all the same crap, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>It's all the same crap.

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<v Speaker 1>What you've told me and what I've read about Horizon

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<v Speaker 1>is it's not that.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean? It's not turn your brain off.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it's like, we're going to tell the story of

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<v Speaker 1>manifest destiny, and man, it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Really important story and I'm the one to tell it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretentious. It's a history book. It's too it

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<v Speaker 1>is a bit of a history book. It's just that

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<v Speaker 1>you could have done. You could have just instead of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do to make four movies at once, if

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<v Speaker 1>you just want to focus on making the first one

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<v Speaker 1>a good movie, it would have been a different franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, like we're gonna put our worst hitter

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<v Speaker 1>in the baseball batting order at first, second, and third,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like cause we're going for the long all Like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what It goes back to what you said,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a quote here to support it. Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Costner's ego got way too big and he thought he

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<v Speaker 3>He tried to do a dune thing, right, yes, Dune.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't really not a lot was happening in that

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, Look, I know everybody loves me, but

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<v Speaker 1>this will be the important work that I'm remembered for. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm important, but this will be the important work that

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<v Speaker 2>Is associated with.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Here's here's an insider Costner quote still doesn't fully

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<v Speaker 1>understand why the theatrical release of the first part of the

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<v Speaker 1>story did connect with most viewers, but he's pressing forward

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<v Speaker 1>with the rest of the films, and he's finally got

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<v Speaker 1>some good news in the form of Chapter one's excellent

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<v Speaker 1>showing on Netflix, where it's landed in the top ten. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like this too, everyone. Look, everyone wants something that's free.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're talking about I have to go to the theater,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta park. I'm gonna have to pay for those tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to buy everything from the concession stand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty expensive. That's a lot of effort for me

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of my house and go do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be really special. But if I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give it a shot. There's nothing else on. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>dying to find something to watch. I'll give this a try.

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<v Speaker 1>And so here's the conundrum that Costner's in. Okay, Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>is the only one with the pockets deep enough to

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote bail him out, and so that's on them

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<v Speaker 1>to do, right. So's they keep going. They keep talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the hole that he dug for himself. And then

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<v Speaker 1>this says the Oscar winner reportedly up for major financial

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<v Speaker 1>strain as a result of his poorly received Passion project

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<v Speaker 1>and is now looking to Netflix to bail him out.

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<v Speaker 1>The streamer is quote the only company that can provide

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin the resources to finish this saga in the next

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen months without having to cut too many corners.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Is this why they had to up the price

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<v Speaker 3>because of Costner to help him off his debt?

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<v Speaker 2>Telling, are you suggesting a Costner tax?

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<v Speaker 3>We am at Costner?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where I love this so much. Now keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to frame this. I'm definitely editorializing here. He

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<v Speaker 1>went through an expensive divorce, yes, okay. And here's the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing. He's got a lot of kids, and those

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<v Speaker 1>kids want daddy's money. And so not only did mommy

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<v Speaker 1>and daddy get a divorce in their pissed daddy is

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<v Speaker 1>spending all of their future money on a Western epic

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<v Speaker 1>and he's seventy, so they're pissed about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to this quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin is in an an eight figure hole on this project,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's finally got some hope that Netflix will bail

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<v Speaker 1>him out and expose the films.

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<v Speaker 2>To viewers all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But Horizon has to continue to perform on streaming for

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<v Speaker 1>that to happen. The first movie, which premiered in May

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four before hitting theaters in June, grows thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six one hundred million dollars one hundred million dollar budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Costner reportedly spent thirty eight million of his own money

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<v Speaker 1>on the film, so of the one hundred million dollar budget,

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<v Speaker 1>he put up thirty eight percent of it. And he

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<v Speaker 1>just went through a divorce and now he's dating Jewel

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<v Speaker 1>and his kids hate him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I might have added that last point. Yeah, I assumed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Again in Yellowstone and the deal he had with Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Sheridan is at the guy's name of Dayls. Taylor Sheridan's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get around to a film. I've got all these

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<v Speaker 1>other projects. You just stand there and wait, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you when we're gonna film yellow Stone again. Casts like, wait, what,

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to just sit out for a year. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna start doing my stuff. I'll tell you when

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<v Speaker 1>i'm ready. Oh I'm out on yellows. Oh you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do without me? And they're like, yep, see you later.

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<v Speaker 1>While he was saying all that, Billy, Bob Thornton and

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<v Speaker 1>John Hamm walked around him and said, where are you going,

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor and cars?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Hold on, where'd these guys come from?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on? My kids hate me? Right I dude? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna watch the entire thing this weekend. Yeah, tire what,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>A weekend? All right, that's gonna do it for us.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back on Monday, and our friend Kevin Turner

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<v Speaker 1>will be back in the fold. But I'll never forget

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<v Speaker 1>the time he sat down to play video games with

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<v Speaker 1>a stripper in Las Vegas. He looked her dead in

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<v Speaker 1>her chest and he said, well, I just think in

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<v Speaker 1>these times, I think it's really important that we all

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<v Speaker 1>consider everything when it comes to the world we're living in.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll put her through college. Christina's up next, playing music

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<v Speaker 1>right here on the Eagle.

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<v Speaker 2>There you going, well, I'm gonna get my sack back. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>You all right,