Speaker 1: Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one The Eagle,
Speaker 1: the last segment of the week on a Friday. I
Speaker 1: hope you got big plans this weekend. We would love
Speaker 1: it if your plans would include you going to Rollertown
Speaker 1: Beer Works in Salina this weekend. That's the brewery that
Speaker 1: Ben and I are partners in, and we're both going
Speaker 1: to be there this weekend on separate days. Now, Ben,
Speaker 1: you're going tomorrow. You're gonna get there around noontime on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and Mueller Wagu Beef.
Speaker 2: Is going to be serving up grub. That is going
Speaker 2: to be fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always love Mueller Wago. They're an actual Wagou ranch.
Speaker 1: They don't have. This is the only place you can
Speaker 1: get their stuff. It's like they have one food truck
Speaker 1: if you want to get it directly from them, and
Speaker 1: so it's always just incredible. They that's a good place
Speaker 1: to go over We're just looking to have lunch. Just
Speaker 1: come have some Mueller Wago tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then later in the day.
Speaker 1: It's part of our Burns Celebration fourth Annuel Burns Night
Speaker 1: celebration at Rollertown Beer Works, and as part of that,
Speaker 1: we're re releasing The Landlord, which is a seventy shilling.
Speaker 2: Scotch ale and it is awesome. It's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite at beers.
Speaker 1: Later in the night, we'll have proper baking company there,
Speaker 1: we'll have music, and then I'm going on Sunday for
Speaker 1: the NFL Championship game Action. I'll be there around two o'clock.
Speaker 1: Jazzy Tacos will be there. We have crushable pictures playoff pitchers,
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Speaker 1: so come on out. We have jazzy tacos on Sunday.
Speaker 1: We'll be watching the games. Just come hang with your boys.
Speaker 1: Been in skin this weekend at roller Town Beer Works
Speaker 1: in Salana, Texas. But right now it's time for this kill.
Speaker 1: This thing's big, that's right, Cynthia. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: Hollywood Shuffle version of The Big Finish, and Ben, I
Speaker 1: think the best way to get into this. I started
Speaker 1: reading this article and I was like, man, this is
Speaker 1: so great that I kind of just want to read
Speaker 1: a couple passages and then we.
Speaker 2: Stop and talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's an article from I don't know what it's from
Speaker 1: headline Kevin Costner hopes Netflix will bail him out of
Speaker 1: Horizon debt, a hole he has dug for himself.
Speaker 2: Let's jump in, shall we?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner is looking to the Horizon now that his
Speaker 1: Horizon on American Saga Chapter one is racking up impressive
Speaker 1: viewership numbers on Netflix. The actor, who is seventy, is
Speaker 1: hoping that the streaming giant will buy him out so
Speaker 1: he can settle his debts.
Speaker 2: Life and Style reports here's a quote.
Speaker 1: Kevin is good at projecting calm experience in a generally
Speaker 1: level head, but behind the scenes, the whole Horizon project
Speaker 1: has been stressful to him financially, physically, and even intellectually.
Speaker 1: A source familiar with the project told the outlet, all right,
Speaker 1: so let's start there. The seventy year old who was
Speaker 1: gonna do Was there six parts to this thing?
Speaker 2: Do you remember? Yeah, at least when they're or is
Speaker 2: it four movies? I'm not sure. I'm not only three
Speaker 2: but three three hour movies? It was four to three
Speaker 2: hour movies?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it was He met off a lot, yes,
Speaker 1: and he had I think he shot all of them,
Speaker 1: but then edited the first two and the first one
Speaker 1: bombed so poorly. The second one was also at the
Speaker 1: corn Film Festival, so critics saw it and destroyed the
Speaker 1: second one, but it never got released. So the first
Speaker 1: one cost him thirty six million. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I have that wrong. The first one cost him one
Speaker 1: hundred million. Oh and it made thirty six at the theater.
Speaker 1: So the first one, which doesn't even include the price
Speaker 1: of the others, lost sixty four million dollars before it
Speaker 1: went to the streaming platform. Number two was in the can,
Speaker 1: but they didn't release it because Number one was such
Speaker 1: a disaster.
Speaker 2: However, people are watching it on Netflix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is right my wheelhouse because I typically
Speaker 1: like anything Kevin Costner is in night time.
Speaker 2: I hear him or see him, and he's not in
Speaker 2: a movie. I don't like it near as much.
Speaker 1: Saying that, now, he's a good actor, he's a good
Speaker 1: starting quarterback for a project. You could win a championship
Speaker 1: with him as your starting quarterback. He's a leading man,
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. But he seems really pretentious
Speaker 1: and way into himself when I see him talk and
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: Him, No, what dude.
Speaker 1: You can win with him as a quarterback. But he
Speaker 1: also wants to run the offense. Yeah, and make all
Speaker 1: the moves actually right, you know. And that's where it
Speaker 1: gets difficult. And this is where his ego got out
Speaker 1: of control because he's like, oh, the.
Speaker 2: Movie business is dying.
Speaker 1: Well, let me pull my ten pounder out and put
Speaker 1: it on the table and let it breathe like a catfish.
Speaker 1: Everyone look at it. I'm going to make a western
Speaker 1: that's four movies. It's it's an epic and four three
Speaker 1: hour movies. And you know what, I'm gonna pay for
Speaker 1: it all and watch people flock to Oh my god,
Speaker 1: no one went and saw it.
Speaker 2: And here's why.
Speaker 1: I watched the first one Hu And anytime he was
Speaker 1: on screen, I'm like, Okay, this is pretty good. Anytime
Speaker 1: he was off screen, I was like, now when is
Speaker 1: he back on screen? Like what are they doing? And
Speaker 1: part of it was they waited so long for him
Speaker 1: to get on the screen, and they're trying to tell
Speaker 1: a story that is a movie or four movies long,
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and so it's hard to that's all.
Speaker 1: It takes a long time to set up in a movie.
Speaker 1: This would have been way better off as a Netflix
Speaker 1: series because you have the ability to you know, develop
Speaker 1: these characters and do these things. But man, what was
Speaker 1: the what's the thing on Netflix with the lawyers? That
Speaker 1: was everyparn know that everybody watched with the hot shot lawyer,
Speaker 1: the guy go to law school, lock cats.
Speaker 2: I'm a hot shot lawyer that didn't go to law school.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna work for your law firm and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: he Suits. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Suits comes out on Netflix a gazillion years after
Speaker 1: it's out in real life, and it becomes the number
Speaker 1: one show in America. And so part of it has
Speaker 1: to do with fishing where the fish are biting. The
Speaker 1: fish aren't biting at movie theaters. The fish are biting
Speaker 1: on Netflix. So put your content in front of Netflix
Speaker 1: and it has a chance to do even better. And
Speaker 1: you never know, there's no rhyme or reason as to
Speaker 1: what catches on, Like why did Suits become the number
Speaker 1: one show on Earth years after it aired on TV?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have I have a thought on it.
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the audience and defend depends
Speaker 1: on the platform. But I'm basing this off of my
Speaker 1: daughter's viewing habits. You know, my daughter has watched every
Speaker 1: single mett of Blind Craze anatomy. Oh really, and that's
Speaker 1: I don't know, what is there decades of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's very standard nighttime soap. Turn your brain off
Speaker 1: with good looking people. And I saw at least four
Speaker 1: and a half minutes of suits, and it seems like
Speaker 1: turn your brain off good looking people like the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're not really going to do a lot of
Speaker 1: engagement with suits.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it changes over time. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw a very short amount of it,
Speaker 1: but it reminded me of that formula that I've seen
Speaker 1: many times. It Gray's Anatomy totally works. Grey's Anatomy was
Speaker 1: a phenomenon. And then oh my god, there's a guy
Speaker 1: named Macdreamy. And you know, it's just it was a
Speaker 1: thing that people like to turn their or The Bachelor
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing, right, And I think that
Speaker 1: those things do great for people that just want to
Speaker 1: plow through stuff.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's like Yellowstone, Yellowstone wildly popular. It's not deep material.
Speaker 1: It's just entertainment for your brain. It's just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a crazy character.
Speaker 2: That's fun.
Speaker 1: It's all so it's all the same crap, but it's
Speaker 1: all in just different situations.
Speaker 2: It's all the same crap.
Speaker 1: What you've told me and what I've read about Horizon
Speaker 1: is it's not that.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? It's not turn your brain off.
Speaker 1: Just it's like, we're going to tell the story of
Speaker 1: manifest destiny, and man, it's a.
Speaker 2: Really important story and I'm the one to tell it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretentious. It's a history book. It's too it
Speaker 1: is a bit of a history book. It's just that
Speaker 1: you could have done. You could have just instead of
Speaker 1: trying to do to make four movies at once, if
Speaker 1: you just want to focus on making the first one
Speaker 1: a good movie, it would have been a different franchise.
Speaker 1: In other words, like we're gonna put our worst hitter
Speaker 1: in the baseball batting order at first, second, and third,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna start with our leadoff hitter and
Speaker 1: the clean offs.
Speaker 2: And it's like cause we're going for the long all Like, no,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get out of the first inning.
Speaker 1: And this is what It goes back to what you said,
Speaker 1: and I have a quote here to support it. Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner's ego got way too big and he thought he
Speaker 1: was more special than he was.
Speaker 3: He tried to do a dune thing, right, yes, Dune.
Speaker 3: He didn't really not a lot was happening in that
Speaker 3: first one, but it's Dune.
Speaker 1: He was like, Look, I know everybody loves me, but
Speaker 1: this will be the important work that I'm remembered for. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm important, but this will be the important work that
Speaker 1: my importance.
Speaker 2: Is associated with.
Speaker 1: Here's Here's here's an insider Costner quote still doesn't fully
Speaker 1: understand why the theatrical release of the first part of the
Speaker 1: story did connect with most viewers, but he's pressing forward
Speaker 1: with the rest of the films, and he's finally got
Speaker 1: some good news in the form of Chapter one's excellent
Speaker 1: showing on Netflix, where it's landed in the top ten. Man,
Speaker 1: it's like this too, everyone. Look, everyone wants something that's free.
Speaker 1: Times are tough out there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about I have to go to the theater,
Speaker 1: I gotta park. I'm gonna have to pay for those tickets.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to buy everything from the concession stand.
Speaker 1: That's pretty expensive. That's a lot of effort for me
Speaker 1: to get out of my house and go do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got to be really special. But if I'm at
Speaker 1: home on my couch.
Speaker 2: I'll give it a shot. There's nothing else on. I'm
Speaker 2: dying to find something to watch. I'll give this a try.
Speaker 1: And so here's the conundrum that Costner's in. Okay, Netflix
Speaker 1: is the only one with the pockets deep enough to
Speaker 1: quote unquote bail him out, and so that's on them
Speaker 1: to do, right. So's they keep going. They keep talking
Speaker 1: about the hole that he dug for himself. And then
Speaker 1: this says the Oscar winner reportedly up for major financial
Speaker 1: strain as a result of his poorly received Passion project
Speaker 1: and is now looking to Netflix to bail him out.
Speaker 1: The streamer is quote the only company that can provide
Speaker 1: Kevin the resources to finish this saga in the next
Speaker 1: eighteen months without having to cut too many corners.
Speaker 3: Okay? Is this why they had to up the price
Speaker 3: because of Costner to help him off his debt?
Speaker 2: Telling, are you suggesting a Costner tax?
Speaker 3: We am at Costner?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Here's where I love this so much. Now keep in mind,
Speaker 1: I want to frame this. I'm definitely editorializing here. He
Speaker 1: went through an expensive divorce, yes, okay. And here's the
Speaker 1: other thing. He's got a lot of kids, and those
Speaker 1: kids want daddy's money. And so not only did mommy
Speaker 1: and daddy get a divorce in their pissed daddy is
Speaker 1: spending all of their future money on a Western epic
Speaker 1: and he's seventy, so they're pissed about that.
Speaker 2: Listen to this quote.
Speaker 1: Kevin is in an an eight figure hole on this project,
Speaker 1: and he's finally got some hope that Netflix will bail
Speaker 1: him out and expose the films.
Speaker 2: To viewers all over the world.
Speaker 1: But Horizon has to continue to perform on streaming for
Speaker 1: that to happen. The first movie, which premiered in May
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four before hitting theaters in June, grows thirty
Speaker 1: six one hundred million dollars one hundred million dollar budget.
Speaker 1: Costner reportedly spent thirty eight million of his own money
Speaker 1: on the film, so of the one hundred million dollar budget,
Speaker 1: he put up thirty eight percent of it. And he
Speaker 1: just went through a divorce and now he's dating Jewel
Speaker 1: and his kids hate him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I might have added that last point. Yeah, I assumed,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Again in Yellowstone and the deal he had with Taylor
Speaker 1: Sheridan is at the guy's name of Dayls. Taylor Sheridan's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get around to a film. I've got all these
Speaker 1: other projects. You just stand there and wait, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you when we're gonna film yellow Stone again. Casts like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: you want me to just sit out for a year. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start doing my stuff. I'll tell you when
Speaker 1: i'm ready. Oh I'm out on yellows. Oh you're gonna
Speaker 1: do without me? And they're like, yep, see you later.
Speaker 1: While he was saying all that, Billy, Bob Thornton and
Speaker 1: John Hamm walked around him and said, where are you going,
Speaker 1: Taylor and cars?
Speaker 2: Well? Hold on, where'd these guys come from?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Hold on? My kids hate me? Right I dude? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the entire thing this weekend. Yeah, tire what,
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 2: A weekend? All right, that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Monday, and our friend Kevin Turner
Speaker 1: will be back in the fold. But I'll never forget
Speaker 1: the time he sat down to play video games with
Speaker 1: a stripper in Las Vegas. He looked her dead in
Speaker 1: her chest and he said, well, I just think in
Speaker 1: these times, I think it's really important that we all
Speaker 1: consider everything when it comes to the world we're living in.
Speaker 1: That'll put her through college. Christina's up next, playing music
Speaker 1: right here on the Eagle.
Speaker 2: There you going, well, I'm gonna get my sack back. Dude,
Speaker 2: You all right,