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Speaker 1: random college football news in the new cycle today, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of pushback on the new proposed expanded sixteen
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Speaker 2: But of course it would benefit.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of pushback about that.
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Speaker 1: the world of pro basketball. Of course, Oklahoma City sixty
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Speaker 1: Square Garden is where we find tonight's game. So we'll
Speaker 1: preview tonight's game on the show today. We'll look back
Speaker 1: on what we saw last night. One I, of course,
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Speaker 1: With a lot to do on the program today, some
Speaker 1: unfortunate news that we'll get to you right off the top.
Speaker 2: According to the Salt Lake Tribune.
Speaker 1: BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz Laugh has been accused of sexual
Speaker 1: assault in a new civil lawsuit. A Salt Lake County
Speaker 1: woman claims she was assaulted in twenty twenty three, so
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago now, which her lawsuit says
Speaker 1: she reported to the police. So we'll get into this
Speaker 1: on the show. We do have a BYU guest today.
Speaker 1: We have a couple of college football guests today. Actually,
Speaker 1: we'll do a lot of college football on the show today.
Speaker 1: Grown men arguing about pushing other men's in the tush
Speaker 1: NFL football, It's fantastic. We talked about it yesterday. What
Speaker 1: a dumb, dumb topic. This just shows the thirst for
Speaker 1: football in our country that we're so obsessed about a
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak that will remain. By the way, they needed
Speaker 1: to twenty four votes to ban the tush push. Sometimes
Speaker 1: football is so weird, dude, I'm sorry, it just is.
Speaker 1: But the tush push remains. Big grown men being able
Speaker 1: to shove other grown men in the tush is still
Speaker 1: part of NFL football.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Josh for Along will be our first guest. Right out
Speaker 1: of the gates. He covers the University of Utah for
Speaker 1: our friends at KSSEL. You're gonna bring in Christopher Cameronnie
Speaker 1: who is live in midtown Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Not for the Nick game, but for some athletic meetings.
Speaker 1: We'll bring in Ck today, Spencer Lytton, our friend from
Speaker 1: BYU TV. I will ask Spencer Lytton about the solid
Speaker 1: A Tribune report. He is a Brigham Young employee. So
Speaker 1: my guess is we will pivot quickly from that, and
Speaker 1: then we'll do some college football and some hoops with
Speaker 1: Spencer Lytton today, and then Dave mcminnimon stops by to
Speaker 1: recap okc's title wave in the second half last night
Speaker 1: dispatching of the Minnesota Timberwolves, and we'll talk Nick Celtics,
Speaker 1: we'll talk NBA Draft, and we'll talk about the breaking
Speaker 1: news that just came down too long ago. Shake yelgis
Speaker 1: Alexander is your MVP. No surprise there. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I do not have a vote. If I did, I
Speaker 1: would have voted for SGA. All due respect to Nicola Jokich.
Speaker 1: So there you go, Josh Furlong, Chris Camaraddie, Spencer Linton,
Speaker 1: Dave McManamon, me, Spence check. Its all of you the
Speaker 1: great listeners on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon, and that guy
Speaker 1: Porter Larsen who is just beyond excited that pro football
Speaker 1: continues to feature grown men pushing other grown men in
Speaker 1: the tush.
Speaker 3: Yes, I thought you were actually going to say that
Speaker 3: I was excited for Eastern Conference Finals Game one, and
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Speaker 3: just wanting to a product for TV and just wanting
Speaker 3: to create something that you know is as seamless and
Speaker 3: well packaged as possible. I just want football, man, Stop
Speaker 3: changing football, Stop changing basketball, stop changing baseball. I'll sit
Speaker 3: on my porch all day long, Spence. As long as
Speaker 3: it's like money and gambling and TV that are changing
Speaker 3: instead of like some pure reasons for changing rules and whatnot.
Speaker 2: I'm out.
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Speaker 2: I'm out.
Speaker 1: Sorry, fair enough, seth Wickers. You know what we'll get
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Speaker 1: what's called a general session of NFL owners and team
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Speaker 1: debate is so dumb. This entire thing is beyond stupid.
Speaker 1: It is dominated headlines. You people love football so much
Speaker 1: that you know ESPN and Fox and everybody else can
Speaker 1: throw out links and you guys click on it to
Speaker 1: understand the debate that's occurred over what is a quarterback sneak? So,
Speaker 1: according to Seth Wickerstrand, tempers flared today as the Eagles
Speaker 1: defended the tush push in a general session of NFL
Speaker 1: owners and league executives. Jeffrey Lowry made what's called an
Speaker 1: impassioned speech in defense of the play. Towards the end
Speaker 1: of the speech, according to Seth Wickerstram, that lasted close
Speaker 1: to an hour, Lowry made an off the cuff analogy.
Speaker 1: He told the room that regardless of whether the play
Speaker 1: was banned, it was quote a win win for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: adding that it was like a wet dream for a
Speaker 1: teenage boy to create a play that was so successful
Speaker 1: that the only way for it to be stopped was
Speaker 1: it to be banned. What exactly are we doing with
Speaker 1: these analogies? I mean, this is beyond strange. Bottom line
Speaker 1: is this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Jed Yorke apparently wanted. Jeffrey Laurie said, how much more
Speaker 1: bleep do we need to hear from you? Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: gave an impassioned speech. Terry Pagula, the owner of the Bills,
Speaker 1: a critic of the tush push. Also, we'll push back
Speaker 1: on the entire thing. Bottom line is the tush push remains.
Speaker 1: Grown men will be able to push other grown men
Speaker 1: in the tush in the NFL this year, So we
Speaker 1: can put that to bed. Thank goodness, all right, Moving
Speaker 1: over to what really is just an unfortunate situation. This
Speaker 1: broke about forty five minutes ago, according to the Salt
Speaker 1: Lake Tribune BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz. Laugh is accused of
Speaker 1: sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit, and a Salt
Speaker 1: Lake County woman says she was assaulted in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: which your lawsuit says she reported to the police. So
Speaker 1: this is according to the Salt Lake Tribune. If you're
Speaker 1: looking for the entire kind of depth and breadth of
Speaker 1: the situation, go to sl triu dot com.
Speaker 2: So we'll just go.
Speaker 1: Over some of the some of the pieces that the
Speaker 1: trip has in their piece that they have up today,
Speaker 1: and then we just kind of have to wait and
Speaker 1: see what BYU decides to do. Jake deserves due process
Speaker 1: like everybody else in our country. It's one of the
Speaker 1: great things about living in America. Most people, all people
Speaker 1: should good, most people do get due process.
Speaker 2: We'll kind of leave that aside today.
Speaker 1: But assault Lake County woman has accused Jake rhet's Laugh
Speaker 1: of sexually assaulting her at his home, according to a
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit filed today, and it said that she also
Speaker 1: reported the incident to the police when it happened. So
Speaker 1: let's be clear, Jake has not been charged with anything criminally.
Speaker 2: This is a civil lawsuit.
Speaker 1: The woman, identified in a third District court filing as
Speaker 1: Jane doe Ag, alleges in the lawsuit the ret's Laugh
Speaker 1: assaulted her in November of twenty twenty three, so not
Speaker 1: last year. Year before last, after they had connected on
Speaker 1: social media and beg and began messaging about a month earlier.
Speaker 1: She issuing Rahet's Laugh in civil court for alleged battery, assault,
Speaker 1: an intentional infliction of emotional distress, and is asking for
Speaker 1: punitive damages from him. Jake has not been criminally charged
Speaker 1: as of today. As I referenced, this young lady said
Speaker 1: in her lawsuit that she was connected with police after
Speaker 1: she had a rape kit exammed on at a hospital
Speaker 1: after the alleged assault, but initially withheld Rehet's Laugh name.
Speaker 1: The woman did eventually tell Provo police that it was Jake,
Speaker 1: the lawsuit states, after an officer asked her who he
Speaker 1: was because quote someone else filed a similar complaint against
Speaker 1: a football player and the police wanted to see if
Speaker 1: it was the same person. The lawsuit says, the officer
Speaker 1: that encouraged her not to do anything, saying quote sexual
Speaker 1: assault victims never get justice. Jake and his family of
Speaker 1: declined comment when contacted by the Salt Lake Tribune BYU,
Speaker 1: and the Provo Police did not respond to multiple requests
Speaker 1: for comment today. According to the lawsuit, this young lady
Speaker 1: and a friend had gone to Jake's home on November
Speaker 1: twenty second, twenty twenty three to hang out, and the
Speaker 1: women stayed at the home. After her friend left, she
Speaker 1: said she started to watch a movie with Jake in
Speaker 1: his room. They began kissing, but she asserted in her
Speaker 1: lawsuit that she did not want to do anything more.
Speaker 1: Jake continued to quote escalate the situation. The lawsuit alleges
Speaker 1: when he tried touching her sexually and told her to
Speaker 1: give him oral sex.
Speaker 2: Sorry if the kids are in the car. Quote.
Speaker 1: As the situation continued escalate, the lawsuit reads, Jane Doe
Speaker 1: ag reacted in a way that made Reetz laugh. Angry,
Speaker 1: he started to shout at her. She reached for her
Speaker 1: phone to call somebody, but her phone was dead. According
Speaker 1: to this filing, she was scared started to panic, she
Speaker 1: said in her lawsuit. She just lay down on his
Speaker 1: bed waiting for her phone to charge so she call
Speaker 1: her friend. She alleges Jake fell asleep, but soon woke
Speaker 1: up again and began forcially kissing her and touching her.
Speaker 1: The woman said she told Jake to stop, and he
Speaker 1: said no, he was grabbing a condom, but alleges in
Speaker 1: the lawsuit that he did not stop and that sex
Speaker 1: with her anyway she says she went to the hospital
Speaker 1: had a rape kid examination completed. She said she reported
Speaker 1: a provo police, but the lawsuit said initially did not
Speaker 1: tell the officer whom she was accusing of the assault.
Speaker 1: Hearing that detectives would question him and share that she
Speaker 1: had reported him, she was scared and in shock and
Speaker 1: not ready to confront him, according to the lawsuit. So
Speaker 1: Jake transferred from Riverside City College in California to BYU
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, and of course rose to Nash
Speaker 1: prominence last year. So Jake must have been on campus
Speaker 1: not very long when this incident took place.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm trying to talk about football when there's
Speaker 1: something as serious as an alleged sexual assault.
Speaker 2: That's kind of an awkward thing.
Speaker 1: And BYU and the powers that be, the governing bodies
Speaker 1: at Brigham Young have shown in the past that these
Speaker 1: are things they take very seriously and certainly over you know,
Speaker 1: any perceived success on the football or the basketball field.
Speaker 1: It's always a tricky thing to try to draw an
Speaker 1: analogy with some of the stuff that comes off as
Speaker 1: pretty obtuse, and I'm not trying to do that. I
Speaker 1: will bring up the Brandon Davies situation. Brandon was never sued,
Speaker 1: he was never charged with a crime. It was an
Speaker 1: honor code violation. This certainly violates BYU's honor code according
Speaker 1: to what's been alleged. Now i'll repeat all days as
Speaker 1: we unpack this, that Jake deserves to process and has
Speaker 1: not been charged.
Speaker 2: With a crime.
Speaker 1: That team that Brandon was playing on, featuring Jimmerfurdett, had
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the Final four and maybe beyond,
Speaker 1: and BYU didn't blink. They suspended him for the entire
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament. Jimmer was so good that they want a
Speaker 1: couple of games.
Speaker 2: But that was that.
Speaker 1: And we could go over several other examples of BYU
Speaker 1: just simply having no tolerance for this stuff. And so
Speaker 1: now we wait. Now we wait for jakes due process.
Speaker 1: Now we wait to hear from BYU. Now we wait
Speaker 1: to hear from the parties involved, and we kind of
Speaker 1: see how this plays out. But according to the Salt
Speaker 1: Lake Tribune, if you're just joining the show, this news
Speaker 1: broke about forty five minutes ago. BYU quarterback Jake rehtz
Speaker 1: Laugh has been accused of sexual assault in a new
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit and a Salad County woman said she was
Speaker 1: assaulted in twenty twenty three, which your lawsuit says she
Speaker 1: reported to the police.
Speaker 2: So now we wait.
Speaker 1: All right, coming up on the other side, more college football,
Speaker 1: less of this, but more college football. Josh Furlong from KSL.
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Speaker 1: do some NBA with Dave mcminnimon in preparation for tonight's
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals. Look back on Oka see dismantling Minnesota
Speaker 1: in the second half last night. But batting lead off
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, Josh Furlong covers the University of Utah
Speaker 1: for KSL Josh, Happy Wednesday, Man, how are we doing?
Speaker 7: I'm doing well as the leadoff hitter. I don't know
Speaker 7: if I'm very adequately prep No, Skins, just need you.
Speaker 2: To drop a bun get over the first that's all, Josh.
Speaker 1: I know you got some speed left in those legs,
Speaker 1: and we do have to start with an uncomfortable story
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know if you want to
Speaker 1: add any color or context to this entire situation because
Speaker 1: it's just coming out. But the Solid Lake Tribune is
Speaker 1: reporting that BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz Laugh has been accused
Speaker 1: of sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit.
Speaker 2: He has not been criminally charged.
Speaker 1: Jake deserves to process like everybody else, So we'll kind
Speaker 1: of see how this plays out. But of course this
Speaker 1: is a bit of a bombshell and bring him young.
Speaker 1: In the past has shown they have no tolerance for this,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be stunned if we hear some sort
Speaker 1: of action from the institution as the kind of process
Speaker 1: plays out. Josh, But what's your reaction to a story
Speaker 1: that could have some serious ramifications moving forward and obviously
Speaker 1: an unfortunate situation all the way around.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is pretty unfortunate all the way around, right, Like,
Speaker 7: you know, it doesn't matter who you are, Like, if
Speaker 7: these things are true, they need to be taken care of.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: The unfortunate thing here is it's a civil suit, and
Speaker 7: civil suits aren't always the easiest to kind of understand
Speaker 7: in the sense that you know, no criminal charges have
Speaker 7: been filed right now, that's not to say that this
Speaker 7: isn't true or that there isn't anything there, but I
Speaker 7: think there's a really complicated situation here where it gets
Speaker 7: much more messy where civil suits anybody can kind of
Speaker 7: put anything in there. With that being said, I generally
Speaker 7: believe women, right like I think we should believe women more,
Speaker 7: and it's unfortunate that many don't and they say, oh,
Speaker 7: it's just for extortion or you know, you're trying to
Speaker 7: get something out of this guy. The reality is this happened,
Speaker 7: the alleged event happened before he was even the starting quarterback.
Speaker 7: So to me, this feels like this has been a
Speaker 7: couple of years kind of rising, and it's been trying
Speaker 7: to get it out there, and we still don't know
Speaker 7: the probo police, you know, kind of what they're what
Speaker 7: their role in this is. Did they investigate, did they
Speaker 7: look into this as an entity. I'm trying to get
Speaker 7: my reporters to get more in that information so that
Speaker 7: we understand that. But it's it's a challenge, right, I mean,
Speaker 7: this is one of those things where unfortunately people go
Speaker 7: too far. People try to get in situations that they
Speaker 7: shouldn't and it doesn't matter your status or your influence
Speaker 7: or anything that way, like you should be held accountable
Speaker 7: to that. So if this is true, you know, by
Speaker 7: us in a very sticky situation where they now have
Speaker 7: to maybe potentially change their starting quarterback. You know this,
Speaker 7: Regardless of whether this is true or not, this becomes
Speaker 7: an off the field issue that BYU doesn't want a
Speaker 7: distraction for it, right, and you know that's really going
Speaker 7: to hamper kind of how this season is viewed. Now.
Speaker 7: With that said, football becomes secondary, right, I want to
Speaker 7: make that player football is secondary. The allegations. You know,
Speaker 7: if they're true, they need to be investigated seriously and
Speaker 7: if they aren't serious, which you know, it's unfortunate that
Speaker 7: would be the case, you know, be when you needs
Speaker 7: to try to get this behind them as best as
Speaker 7: they can without it being a distraction. So tough situation
Speaker 7: for the Cougars. You know, it's it's not a position
Speaker 7: that anybody wants to be in. Every school has some
Speaker 7: sort of legal issues with players from time to time,
Speaker 7: So this isn't, you know, indicative of one school. It's
Speaker 7: just unfortunate kind of the situation that we present ourselves
Speaker 7: with sometimes in needs lives where where you know, kids
Speaker 7: are trying to figure themselves out and sometimes they cross
Speaker 7: the line.
Speaker 1: All right, So we've all been waiting with baited breath,
Speaker 1: quite frankly, for the House first NCAA settlement just to
Speaker 1: kind of be completed so we can understand maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit more about the landscape of what college football specifically,
Speaker 1: but college athletics overall will look like. And it continues
Speaker 1: to run into snag after snag after there was a
Speaker 1: roster limit discussion, and now there's another portion of the
Speaker 1: pushback has to do with power conferences trying to exude
Speaker 1: their control state by state, having legislation passed by lawmakers.
Speaker 1: Some of it is kind of josh like behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: but Ross, Dellinger and others have been able to uncover
Speaker 1: some of these pieces of legislation that specific schools and
Speaker 1: specific states are passing through their state legislators and kind
Speaker 1: of ignoring what it could mean for the ramifications of
Speaker 1: the House settlement, and they want to basically control athlete
Speaker 1: compensation and take away any sort of control from the
Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA. Now, after a bit, I'm conflicted here because
Speaker 1: I don't think the NC DOUBLEA has shown that they're
Speaker 1: capable of governing college football or college athletics otherwise. And
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily hate the potential of either individual schools
Speaker 1: or conferences or one governing body, which seems to be
Speaker 1: the momentum here kind of taking away decision making and
Speaker 1: also punitive control from the NC double A. But the
Speaker 1: other thing this does is muddy the waters even more.
Speaker 1: And now we kind of sit and wait, what this
Speaker 1: What you know as far as what this could mean
Speaker 1: for the timeline of this settlement of the house versus
Speaker 1: NC double A. How you how have you digested the
Speaker 1: news over the past seventy two hours.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been it's been crazy. I feel like once
Speaker 7: we kind of start getting a handle of it, something
Speaker 7: completely changes, and it's it's different, you know. I think
Speaker 7: there is a consensus here in the sense that every school,
Speaker 7: whether you be in power forward group of five, they
Speaker 7: want to abide by some sort of rules. Right, every
Speaker 7: school is going to try to skirt the rules to
Speaker 7: some extent and try to push the limits and try
Speaker 7: to find the loopholes. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 7: becoming such of the wild wild West that a lot
Speaker 7: of these schools are starting to realize, Look, we can't.
Speaker 7: We can't compete in this nature. Right, Yes, Ohio State
Speaker 7: or Texas or some of these schools can can potentially
Speaker 7: pay their way to get a bunch of players. But
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, this isn't this is
Speaker 7: conducive to a growing sport.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: If anything is going to handicap the sport, it's going
Speaker 7: to make it much more difficult for anybody to be
Speaker 7: engaged into it. And so I think people are well
Speaker 7: intentioned in trying to find solutions. Right at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, the NCAA is better to do the
Speaker 7: bidding of the university of presidents. That's what it is.
Speaker 7: This is a group. This isn't some binding contract necessarily.
Speaker 7: It's more just there the collective agreement between all of
Speaker 7: these universities. And so however they get to that, whether
Speaker 7: that means these athletes are going to be employees someday,
Speaker 7: whether it's the sports you know, college Sports Commission that
Speaker 7: Ross Ellinger is reporting about this agreement that is going
Speaker 7: to force schools into basically this contract that keeps them
Speaker 7: from suing and going into arbitration or else leaving their conference.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know if it'll go about extreme
Speaker 7: but I think people are getting serious with it, right.
Speaker 7: I think people really want some sort of framework that's
Speaker 7: going to work well, still having some flexibility in it
Speaker 7: so that players can get paid, schools can still have
Speaker 7: their benefits, you know, the SEC Big Ten. They still
Speaker 7: feel like that they can compete at a higher level
Speaker 7: than anybody else. But it's just a mess, honestly, And
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, the only one that's
Speaker 7: really winning at this point at lawyers, and they're getting
Speaker 7: all the money. So uh, it's it's a tough situation,
Speaker 7: but you've got a gonna be on your toes to
Speaker 7: stay in college sports at this point. And you know
Speaker 7: that that deadline of July first is closing soon. But
Speaker 7: I think they're going to get to at least the settlement.
Speaker 7: What happens after that, that remains to be seen.
Speaker 1: Do you think there are any ancillary benefits to removing
Speaker 1: power completely from the NC double A and putting that
Speaker 1: power in the hands strictly of the power conferences and
Speaker 1: this proposed new committee that is being formed. Do you
Speaker 1: think there are actually ancillary benefits to that?
Speaker 7: I mean, I think there can if there's unification, right,
Speaker 7: I think there's just so much disjointedness inside the NCAA,
Speaker 7: where you know they themselves have to recognize, okay, we're
Speaker 7: too deared right there. There may be the FBIS system
Speaker 7: and you may have the power for and then the
Speaker 7: group of five or group of six, however we want
Speaker 7: to classify that now. But I think they need to
Speaker 7: structure this in a way to say, Okay, this is
Speaker 7: what we need to do to benefit this group. This
Speaker 7: is what we need to do to benefit this group.
Speaker 7: And at the end of the day, I don't know
Speaker 7: that anybody that has a vested interest in it is
Speaker 7: going to do the right thing. Right. There's always going
Speaker 7: to be something that another party wants to be involved
Speaker 7: with it. To be honest, I think the best approach
Speaker 7: should be with the professional leagues. It should be the NFL.
Speaker 7: It should be the NBA dictating some of this to say,
Speaker 7: if this is truly going to be in a feeder
Speaker 7: program for our leagues, we need to have more consistency
Speaker 7: and start putting some of their collective bargaining agreement type
Speaker 7: stuff into it. They need to start putting up a
Speaker 7: framework that works. If this is the direction that college
Speaker 7: wants to go or else, it's still going to cause
Speaker 7: some problems. So until you know there is a college
Speaker 7: commissioner or there is somebody that's maybe kind of a
Speaker 7: person that's removed from the individual schools, I don't know
Speaker 7: that there's really anything that's going to solve this. You
Speaker 7: can go into as many contracts as you want, but
Speaker 7: as we've seen, lawsuits will break up anything and that
Speaker 7: becomes a challenge. And until they can figure out something
Speaker 7: that way, I just don't see anything changing that's going
Speaker 7: to benefit everybody. At the same time, the.
Speaker 1: Other piece of news that is of interest I would
Speaker 1: imagine to our college football fans here locally is the
Speaker 1: proposed new expanded sixteen team CFP, which is clearly being
Speaker 1: pushed by the Big ten in the SEC, is receiving
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of pushback from the Big twelve, the
Speaker 1: ACC and.
Speaker 2: Essentially everybody who's not at their lunch table.
Speaker 1: So just to bottom line, it will make it as
Speaker 1: simple as possible the proposal. It was a twelve team
Speaker 1: expansion last year CFP. The proposal is for twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: I believe, expanding it to sixteen teams. Four auto bids
Speaker 1: for the SEC, four auto bids for the Big ten,
Speaker 1: two auto bids for the Big twelve, two auto bids
Speaker 1: for the ACC, one auto bid for what's now the
Speaker 1: new group of six shout out Pack twelve, and I
Speaker 1: think three at large bids or something like that. So essentially,
Speaker 1: you know, half of the sixteen team bids automatically go
Speaker 1: to both the.
Speaker 2: Big ten and the SEC.
Speaker 1: Now, this is a two tiered application of a conversation
Speaker 1: because nobody can debate that the best football is not
Speaker 1: played in the Big ten and the SEC more often
Speaker 1: than not. But this is receiving a tremendous pushback from
Speaker 1: people that don't want to seed all this power and
Speaker 1: control and autonomy to those two conferences.
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts? Do you like the sixteen
Speaker 2: team expansion?
Speaker 1: You do you think that because the best football is
Speaker 1: played in the Big ten and the SEC consistently, they
Speaker 1: deserve more auto bids.
Speaker 2: How do you see this play out?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a that's a tough one, right, Like you said,
Speaker 7: like it's clear that the Big ten and the SEC
Speaker 7: are going to be the top dogs and buying large
Speaker 7: the probably going to get that many teams in regardless.
Speaker 7: I think you're you know, the hard part here is
Speaker 7: is you've got, you know, them trying to say, hey,
Speaker 7: we're we're giving you guys some act to it. We
Speaker 7: could just take it on and run because they're in charge. Honestly,
Speaker 7: the Big ten and the SEC are in charge of
Speaker 7: this this structure, and so they could do that. They
Speaker 7: could say, hey, we're only going to give you one
Speaker 7: and so it's kind of this breadcrumb to say, hey,
Speaker 7: we're giving you some instead of one, we're giving you
Speaker 7: access to two. And at the same time, there's part
Speaker 7: of me that says, I think the ACC and Big
Speaker 7: twelve should take it because then at least they're guarantee
Speaker 7: two spots. But on the other hand, that becomes a
Speaker 7: really flippery slope for what these teams can be because
Speaker 7: what if they have a team that's higher than one
Speaker 7: of these SEC teams, but they get in because they
Speaker 7: get an auto bid. It becomes a challenge, right, and
Speaker 7: I don't know that there's an easy way around this.
Speaker 7: The problem is is that the rest of these leagues
Speaker 7: acquiesced this power to the Big ten and the SEC
Speaker 7: because they were afraid that they were going to just
Speaker 7: kind of run away. In some ways, they should have
Speaker 7: just called them on their bluff. Is the SEC and
Speaker 7: the Big ten really going to pull away? Imagine the
Speaker 7: lawsuits then at that point. But unfortunately that's where they're at.
Speaker 7: And so to me, right now, this is them kind
Speaker 7: of saying, here's the proposed plan, and then if they
Speaker 7: can't come to an agreement, suddenly, now the Big ten
Speaker 7: and the SEC says, look, we tried. Now we're going
Speaker 7: to do it our way and do whatever they want.
Speaker 7: So there's no winning situation here. I personally think it's
Speaker 7: probably a fine structure, by and large most of the
Speaker 7: time that's going to be an okay model. I just
Speaker 7: don't love auto bids because that's you know, there should
Speaker 7: be I don't want to call it a straight rank,
Speaker 7: but you should have some sort of consistency that way,
Speaker 7: where the top sixteen ish teams with some metrics in
Speaker 7: there kind of help because there's going to be a
Speaker 7: team in there that gets left out that they didn't
Speaker 7: get in just simply because they weren't an auto bids.
Speaker 7: So it sucks. But also that's the nature of the sport.
Speaker 7: You're going to start seeing more Big ten SEC teams
Speaker 7: in there anyway, So maybe it's just the easiest way
Speaker 7: just guarantee at least the Big twelve and the acc
Speaker 7: have a pass into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on, because it feels like we're in
Speaker 1: class and I'm making you answer questions and do homework
Speaker 1: assignments as making everybody's head hurt.
Speaker 2: So let's let's have some fun. Seven point five.
Speaker 1: That's the over under Vegas has said for the University
Speaker 1: of Utah coming up this season. Does that feel right?
Speaker 1: Does that feel high? Does that feel low? What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts?
Speaker 7: I personally think it's accurate, but I think it's pretty
Speaker 7: easy that you can go over. And the reason I
Speaker 7: say that is Utah was closer than many expected last year.
Speaker 7: Despite the terrible situations on offense. They kept the games close.
Speaker 7: The defense held team still. I think it was like
Speaker 7: twenty point seven points. I don't have it right in
Speaker 7: there with me, but it was enough where if this
Speaker 7: offense could score three touchdowns, you know they win games.
Speaker 7: So I have to believe that this year's offense is
Speaker 7: better than that. I have to believe that this year's
Speaker 7: defense is going to be at least somewhere on par
Speaker 7: with that. Maybe not quite that low, but at least
Speaker 7: close that That gives me belief that Utah can get there. Now,
Speaker 7: you know they've got a good schedule in the sense
Speaker 7: that it lays up well.
Speaker 8: At home.
Speaker 7: You've got some of your more difficult games like Texas
Speaker 7: Tech at home. You've got Kansas State at home, some
Speaker 7: of the Arizona States even at home, and so you've
Speaker 7: got some of the top teams in the conference that
Speaker 7: are at home. And you also don't have to leave
Speaker 7: the state for the month of October. So I mean,
Speaker 7: I think it benefits Utah. I think if they can
Speaker 7: get their offense figured out, eight seems kind of the
Speaker 7: floor in my mind. That doesn't mean I'm over here
Speaker 7: predicting ten eleven wins, but I think they're at least
Speaker 7: going to be in contention, and I think eight has
Speaker 7: to be kind of that starting point.
Speaker 2: Do you have a feel at all?
Speaker 1: You know, there have been some it's funny you can
Speaker 1: do actually off season rankings now in conferences as far
Speaker 1: as transfer portal additions, who you lost, who you gained,
Speaker 1: and most people have celebrated what Texas Tech has done.
Speaker 1: Do you have a feel at all for how this
Speaker 1: conference is going to go and whether or not Utah
Speaker 1: should be considered as legitimately someone who can contend to
Speaker 1: win the thing this year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Utah should be considered, right. I think
Speaker 7: they're absolutely in the mix there. I think you see
Speaker 7: Vegas is putting them in there. Eighteen are essentially in
Speaker 7: the mix there from Vegas with a seven and a
Speaker 7: half win or higher. Only three teams at eight and
Speaker 7: a half, So I think it shows that there's going
Speaker 7: to be a ton of parody. I think that shows
Speaker 7: that there's going to be a lot of teams that
Speaker 7: are going to be vuying for that top spot. And
Speaker 7: I you know, Intel Intel, there's a team that kind
Speaker 7: of separates themselves. I think this is how the Big
Speaker 7: twelve is going to be, right, Maybe that's Utah, maybe
Speaker 7: that's Erzono State, maybe that's Buyu, whoever it may be.
Speaker 7: But I think this is kind of this is kind
Speaker 7: of where it's going to be. So I don't see
Speaker 7: a problem with it. I think Utahs in the mix
Speaker 7: for it. You know, as I was going, you know,
Speaker 7: I've kind of looked at all these schedules and trying
Speaker 7: to pick it all. Those eight teams honestly have a
Speaker 7: real pass down the over and so it's a real
Speaker 7: challenge to kind of predict losses because you just don't
Speaker 7: know what's going to happen. Obviously, teams, you know, have
Speaker 7: to live with pressure. Now Arizona State has to now
Speaker 7: live with that pressure of being a top dog. They're
Speaker 7: going to get everybody's best instead of kind of sneaking
Speaker 7: up on everybody last year, BUYU is going to get
Speaker 7: everybody's best because of that now and depending on this
Speaker 7: quarterback situation, you know what happens there. There's a lot
Speaker 7: of changes, and you know, I'm really fascinated to see
Speaker 7: how it works. Texas Tech you can buy a bunch
Speaker 7: of ways there, but that doesn't mean, you know, you're
Speaker 7: guaranteed a trip to this planet. Colorado tried that and
Speaker 7: they did. You know, they got marginally better, but not
Speaker 7: enough to really compete for the title. So it's really fascinating.
Speaker 7: But I think this Big Twelve, the more we get
Speaker 7: to learn it, I think it's really fun. I think
Speaker 7: it provides a lot of entertaining games. And at the
Speaker 7: very least, you get two teams in the state of
Speaker 7: Utah with Buau and Utah that I can compete for
Speaker 7: a title.
Speaker 1: All seems to be quiet on the basketball side of things.
Speaker 1: We did have Alex Jensen on the show a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago and we went over some of the
Speaker 1: new players, just kind of kicked the tires on kind
Speaker 1: of where they were at with the process. Have you
Speaker 1: heard any I think they still have a few spots available,
Speaker 1: and obviously there are a number of months until we're
Speaker 1: playing basketball. Do you have any sort of an update
Speaker 1: on the project that Alex Jensen is undertaking now is
Speaker 1: a new head coach of the Utes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right now, it's kind of a wait and see approach.
Speaker 7: Right now, they're at eleven scholarships or at least eleven
Speaker 7: roster spots whatever we're going to call these now. But
Speaker 7: I think there's kind of been a wait and see
Speaker 7: approach in terms of if this NCAA settlement passes or not.
Speaker 7: If it does that, that means they can go up
Speaker 7: to fifteen. In the past, men's can only go up
Speaker 7: to thirteen. So they're pretty much right there anyway, and
Speaker 7: so it's just more kind of a wait and see approach.
Speaker 7: They do need to try to get some length, to
Speaker 7: try to get somebody as a center. I know they've
Speaker 7: been out recruiting and doing a bunch of different things
Speaker 7: that way, but it's still kind of you know, you're
Speaker 7: getting to the point now where most of the best
Speaker 7: players are going to go, so you're trying to find depth.
Speaker 7: So I wouldn't expect necessarily anybody coming in that can
Speaker 7: push for starter minutes. That's not to say it couldn't happen,
Speaker 7: but I think Utah is pretty content with who they
Speaker 7: have right now. It's more just kind of filling out
Speaker 7: the roster and kind of finalizing those last pieces, and
Speaker 7: there hasn't been any huge urgency to try to fill
Speaker 7: them immediately because they feel like they've got their core together.
Speaker 1: Since you and I last spoke, it's been a number
Speaker 1: of weeks, so I have not talked to you about
Speaker 1: the announcement that Cameron Rising has medically retired from the
Speaker 1: game of football and he's going to go through the process.
Speaker 1: Looks like he might have to have that hand, you know,
Speaker 1: surgically repaired, and he will become the offensive coordinator at
Speaker 1: his alma mater, or Newbury Park High School in California.
Speaker 1: So since we haven't been able to chat about this, Josh,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll speak for myself. I fully anticipated and
Speaker 1: certainly would have had no issue for cam to maybe
Speaker 1: find a smaller school to go play quarterback at for
Speaker 1: a year and make a couple hundred grand, because why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you put off the real world.
Speaker 2: As long as you can.
Speaker 1: Not many people can get a job that pays a
Speaker 1: couple hundred grand right out of college anyway, but an
Speaker 1: unfortunate end to otherwise a legendary career and somebody that
Speaker 1: should always be remembered as one of the greats to
Speaker 1: ever do it here in Salt Lake City. So your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Cameron Rising now that we have clarity on
Speaker 1: his future plans, Yeah, I mean, I think.
Speaker 7: You know, time Hills, I'll lound and I think unfortunately
Speaker 7: Utah fans were beat down the last couple of years
Speaker 7: with kind of injury situations with Cam Rising. Now that
Speaker 7: it's kind of official, and then everybody knew it was official,
Speaker 7: But now that he's officially put it out there and
Speaker 7: talked about the severity of his hand, I think that's
Speaker 7: given him a lot more good in the public. Not
Speaker 7: that people weren't thinking that, but I think you're starting
Speaker 7: to see more that this is a guy that really
Speaker 7: tried to compete and try to fight to get back
Speaker 7: on the field that Arizona State game. Was a guy
Speaker 7: that was just trying to live out his best life,
Speaker 7: seeing if he could do it, trying to appease people,
Speaker 7: and it didn't work.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: I still think though, that Cam Rising becomes one of
Speaker 7: the top players that's ever come through the University of Utah.
Speaker 7: Not necessarily because of his full talent, right, there's better
Speaker 7: players that have come through, But I think everything that
Speaker 7: he did at the university and what he did to
Speaker 7: kind of propel it into kind of that next echelon
Speaker 7: of where they're at. Even to Kyle Whittingham's legacy is
Speaker 7: a result of kind of Cam Rising doing what he did,
Speaker 7: So I think, you know, he's going to be reviewed
Speaker 7: with a lot of fondness. I think there's a lot
Speaker 7: of reasons to kind of prop him up there as
Speaker 7: one of the best to ever do it. And I
Speaker 7: think just for all of those intangibles of what he
Speaker 7: meant to the program, getting him to the Rose Bowl,
Speaker 7: winning the back to back championships, especially during a difficult
Speaker 7: time when they lost two of their teammates to you
Speaker 7: know that that became this incredibly difficult situation and he
Speaker 7: was the one that kind of stood a top of
Speaker 7: that and really kind of rally the troops. So I
Speaker 7: think there's a lot to like and respect about him.
Speaker 7: I think he's going to, you know, as time goes
Speaker 7: more and more people will respect what he did and
Speaker 7: and I think that's an appropriate place for him.
Speaker 1: All right, Josh, before I said you loose, you know,
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake Bees have already ditch smith Ballpark for
Speaker 1: their new home out south, and I wonder you know
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Utah baseball playing their final game at
Speaker 1: Smiths Ballpark and some of the reactions that you've seen
Speaker 1: as Utah baseball is now also moving on from a
Speaker 1: ballpark that we've all gone to for a number of years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I went into that game, going to that
Speaker 7: last game against TCU, not really knowing what to expect.
Speaker 7: College baseball is a little at least Utah Baseball, they
Speaker 7: don't get the same amount of supports as the Bees would,
Speaker 7: and so it was always felt like a big venue
Speaker 7: for the youths, right, and so having them have a
Speaker 7: venue on campus where it fits their their stadium attendance,
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff is great. But I found myself
Speaker 7: kind of reminiscing a lot of the memories that I
Speaker 7: had at, you know, the ballpark, whether it be covering events,
Speaker 7: you know, talking to Steve Clouke, who obviously has passed on.
Speaker 7: Unfortunately had nothing to do with Utah necessarily, but obviously
Speaker 7: he's an icon that deserves the respect that went with
Speaker 7: with that stadium. And then just kind of my own
Speaker 7: personal memories with my family, watching my family grow up
Speaker 7: in that stadium as a baseball family, you know, going
Speaker 7: to games and seeing them excited to see these prospects
Speaker 7: as they they talked to, you know, guys on the
Speaker 7: Bees that were potentially going to Angels or some other team.
Speaker 7: It's it's sad to see it go right, and it's
Speaker 7: sad that, you know, we're we're giving up this beautiful
Speaker 7: view to go speak down into suburbia, right, And I
Speaker 7: get it, there's troubles in downtown Salt Lake. There's issues
Speaker 7: with the stadium. It's old, but I feel like that's
Speaker 7: what made it so great at the same time, like
Speaker 7: it was this this stadium that just kind of rallied
Speaker 7: everybody together and we kind of became an icon where
Speaker 7: it was. And unfortunately, you know, we always have to
Speaker 7: be building these bigger and better and greater things that
Speaker 7: we kind of lose history and we lose kind of
Speaker 7: the sacred nature of some of these things that they
Speaker 7: kind of bind us all together just so that we
Speaker 7: can go build a better facility. So, you know, I
Speaker 7: don't want to wax poetic too much, but at the
Speaker 7: same time, I think it sucks, right Like I think
Speaker 7: it's not always great to be able to have, you know,
Speaker 7: new things. But at the end of the day, it
Speaker 7: is what it is.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 7: Happy for both programs, the bees and the youth that
Speaker 7: they can get their own place, but it just sucks
Speaker 7: that we now don't have Smiths Ball Park anymore.
Speaker 1: All right, Josh, appreciate the time, man. I know you
Speaker 1: got a lot to do, so we'll shut you loose.
Speaker 1: Have a good week, all right, Oh good, Appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Josh Furlong covers the University of Utah. Four ksl brought
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Speaker 1: with the legend himself, Christopher Cameronnie, the hell is this?
Speaker 2: What are we?
Speaker 1: What are you playing on a Wednesday afternoon when you
Speaker 1: really only had one one job.
Speaker 2: To do with the music?
Speaker 3: I did punt on this one to our our guest
Speaker 3: k A little fairytale of New York here all right?
Speaker 1: And I'm told that k joins us live from the
Speaker 1: top floor of the New York Times Building in Midtown Manhattan?
Speaker 2: Is that true? A fairytale of New York?
Speaker 8: If you will?
Speaker 1: Big city guy over here, Chris, what's going on?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 4: Coming to you? Live at the fifteenth floor, staring out
Speaker 4: at forty first and eight. Big day in the Big Apple.
Speaker 4: Forecast called for rain, not so much rain, but the
Speaker 4: streets are starting to turn blue and orange. And I
Speaker 4: wonder why.
Speaker 2: Love hearing that?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 1: As I often say, I like to claim that I'm
Speaker 1: from the right coast, Chris, you are from the left coast.
Speaker 1: How does a left coast or digest being what I've in?
Speaker 1: What I like to call the right coast.
Speaker 4: It is a great question, and I'm glad to know
Speaker 4: that you accurately stated where we each lie on that
Speaker 4: left coast. Best coast is going to be my firm argument.
Speaker 4: But I would just say that being here, I would
Speaker 4: probably summarize it best by saying, like this is America,
Speaker 4: Like this is everything and anything you could possibly need
Speaker 4: to know about this great, beautiful, complicated country is right here,
Speaker 4: distilled into a very small piece of land between a
Speaker 4: bunch of random rivers.
Speaker 1: It's such a great city. Man, I hate to be
Speaker 1: that guy. I miss it so much, and I miss
Speaker 1: it in the spring date. Do you find yourself enjoying it?
Speaker 1: Because most people from the left coach coast, which is
Speaker 1: not the best coast, but we will not debate that today,
Speaker 1: do not find themselves enjoying the right coast because it's
Speaker 1: a little more claustrophobic, shall we say?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself enjoying the endeavor?
Speaker 4: I do. I very much enjoy it, but unfortunately I
Speaker 4: came at a very bad weather time. It is like
Speaker 4: fifty five and piss and rain off and on, and
Speaker 4: last year when I was out here, it was like
Speaker 4: eighty five and perfect, and I was riding the rentable
Speaker 4: e bikes and all this stuff, and now I'm kind
Speaker 4: of like it's late May. Like your city should be
Speaker 4: giving me a little bit of a little bit of
Speaker 4: reason to sweat, you know, should be giving me some humidity,
Speaker 4: but instead it's windy, it's rainy, and it's cold. But alas,
Speaker 4: we're not going to complain fair enough.
Speaker 1: One more thing here you referenced these streets are turning
Speaker 1: orange and blue, and there really is not a city
Speaker 1: that celebrates their sports teams and summarily dismisses them if
Speaker 1: we're fair, quite like Manhattan and the surrounding borough. So
Speaker 1: is there a palpable buzz? Can you tell that the
Speaker 1: Knicks are about to play in the Eastern Conference Finals?
Speaker 4: The buzz is palpable. And in Times Square where I am,
Speaker 4: people are already walking towards you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: the address off the top of my head, so I apologize,
Speaker 4: but they are walking toward MSG. And I can tell
Speaker 4: you that even just walking up to Central Park last night,
Speaker 4: Avan sent you a photo there was a party bus
Speaker 4: that was painted blue and orange in honor of the Knicks,
Speaker 4: and there was a basketball hoop on the back and
Speaker 4: people were screaming into the microphone all sorts of you know,
Speaker 4: celebrate toy mix information and words that I can't necessarily
Speaker 4: express on air, even though I did mistakingly last week.
Speaker 4: So for that again, I apologize. But yes, the city
Speaker 4: is ready for the garden to go nuts.
Speaker 1: The address is very simple. People overthink it. It's four
Speaker 1: Penn Plaza, New York, New York. It is between seventh
Speaker 1: and eight, between West thirty first and West thirty third.
Speaker 2: But the address is four Penn Plaza.
Speaker 8: C K.
Speaker 2: That's all it is.
Speaker 4: It's only like an eight minute walk from here. So
Speaker 4: if it stops raining, I might have to walk down
Speaker 4: and go check out some fellow big bombers. You know,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe maybe maybe get on a side talk video.
Speaker 4: Could you imagine me?
Speaker 1: You you should, man, I bet it's a spectacle like
Speaker 1: I mean, they haven't seen in twenty five years. If
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity, you should walk down and check
Speaker 1: it out. It's you respect, It's not quite you know,
Speaker 1: like what it's like outside Delta Center when the Jazz
Speaker 1: are playing in the playoffs, which is also fun.
Speaker 2: It's just different in that city and.
Speaker 4: The people watching is as a plus as it gets,
Speaker 4: which is something that I love to specialize in.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: What are you doing there, young man? I know you're
Speaker 1: not there for the nick game? What are you doing
Speaker 1: in midtown Manhattan?
Speaker 4: Once a year, our college football staff has a big
Speaker 4: annual summit is what you say in big time business
Speaker 4: wig parlance. So where the staffers are getting together to
Speaker 4: talk about the year that was and the year that
Speaker 4: lies ahead, and you know, just getting to see lots
Speaker 4: of close friends and be the least smart person in
Speaker 4: the room.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a group of college football heavy hitters
Speaker 1: on the media side of things. I know you're not
Speaker 1: a name dropper, but who are in those rooms?
Speaker 4: Oh, you know the great Stu Mandel, Bruce Feldman, Chris Vanini,
Speaker 4: David Eban, the list goes on and on. We've we've
Speaker 4: had a very strong college football staff over the years.
Speaker 4: We've had some people move on to other endeavors. I mean,
Speaker 4: once upon a time you had the Nicole auerbacks and
Speaker 4: now Ari Wasserman's who are now at other publications. But
Speaker 4: we still have some heavy hitters. And again I'm not
Speaker 4: even in the ninth spot. I'm the utility man on
Speaker 4: the bench.
Speaker 1: Well, that's uh, I don't believe that's true. But I'll
Speaker 1: allow your feigned humility on the program today. But let
Speaker 1: me take advantage of this. What are some of the
Speaker 1: if you would care to share? I know these are
Speaker 1: closed doors meetings with the athletic college football staff.
Speaker 2: What are some of the big.
Speaker 1: Time college football storylines and topics that are being bantered
Speaker 1: about in a room such as that.
Speaker 4: Well, as you can imagine the house settlement that appears
Speaker 4: to be close to being done, we've been waiting for
Speaker 4: this ruling for a long time. One of my best
Speaker 4: and favorite colleagues, Justin Williams, is the man who's been
Speaker 4: tasked with sifting through these documents ad nauseum for the
Speaker 4: last year plus and getting to know so versu is
Speaker 4: at the you know, the law, the judicial, you know, collegiate,
Speaker 4: all these levels that are necessary that you need to
Speaker 4: learn to try to distill this down into something that
Speaker 4: is tangibly easy to digest. He does a way better
Speaker 4: job than I ever could. We all make a joke
Speaker 4: that we decided to get into this business to cover
Speaker 4: college football, and we, in a weird way, turn out
Speaker 4: we had to learn how to cover the court system
Speaker 4: in real time, so lots of you know, have settlement stuff,
Speaker 4: the state of nil transfer portal, lots of lots of
Speaker 4: things that you could easily imagine. And then you know
Speaker 4: the interesting storylines this upcoming season. You know, you can't
Speaker 4: get into a meeting about college football without talking about
Speaker 4: Deon Sanders or Bill Belichick at UNC or is Ohio
Speaker 4: State going to repeat lots of very you know, typical things.
Speaker 4: But it's just nice to be able to get together
Speaker 4: with colleagues one year and just kind of shoot the breeze.
Speaker 1: So I mean, let's start with probably the hottest topic.
Speaker 1: Can you confirm or deny that Bill Belichick and Jordan
Speaker 1: Hudson are engaged?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 4: I cannot confirm that?
Speaker 2: All right? How much was how much was that topic
Speaker 2: banteed about today?
Speaker 4: I didn't hear much about it, just because I think
Speaker 4: we've been broken up into different groups. But I can
Speaker 4: guarantee you there will be reported very fascinating stories on
Speaker 4: the topic of Bill Belichick at North Carolina at the
Speaker 4: athletic in the coming weeks and months.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Fair enough?
Speaker 1: All right, Chris, My guess is, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if you've seen this, But because it's the big news
Speaker 1: here locally. I do need to ask you about it,
Speaker 1: and if you want to punt until you can look
Speaker 1: into it a little bit more, I totally understand. But
Speaker 1: according to the Salt Lake Tribune, our friends of the
Speaker 1: trib Kevin Reynolds, and I don't know Jessica Shrifles. Is
Speaker 1: that correct? I mean, okay, so Jessica Strifles, Kevin Reynolds.
Speaker 1: This was posted ten minutes before I cracked this microphone
Speaker 1: today BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz. Laugh has been accused of
Speaker 1: sexual assault in a new civil suit. Okay, so he
Speaker 1: has not been criminally charged. And this alleged incident happened
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Jake had just transferred from Riverside
Speaker 1: in California, so he was very new on campus. And look,
Speaker 1: everybody has due process, well everyone should, but let's leave
Speaker 1: that aside. So we'll kind of see how this plays out.
Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to dig into this, and
Speaker 1: if so, what are your thoughts on the news that
Speaker 1: broke about hour and a half ago today?
Speaker 4: This is literally the first time hearing about it. All right,
Speaker 4: I apologize to you and your staff. We've been in
Speaker 4: a closed door meeting, just talking about story ideas for
Speaker 4: the upcoming college football season. So this was basically the
Speaker 4: last thing I was expecting you to tell me. So
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to get into my best punt
Speaker 4: formation and fire away.
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1: So sltrip dot com for our listeners that are just
Speaker 1: maybe hopping in your car, starting your commute home or
Speaker 1: what have you, streaming online, go to sl trip dot com.
Speaker 1: It's all over the socials, you know, ultimately, Chris, when
Speaker 1: it comes to a situation like this, we'll move away
Speaker 1: from the specifics because you are not familiar with it
Speaker 1: and talk about more of a macro viewpoint. You know,
Speaker 1: BYU as a track record of having zero tolerance for
Speaker 1: anything like this. And you know, again I'm being very
Speaker 1: careful here, Jake deserves to process.
Speaker 2: This is not a criminal charge.
Speaker 1: It is a civil suit, and trying to be analogous
Speaker 1: with any other situation feels a little up to sp
Speaker 1: The Brandon Davies situation comes to mind. Brandon was not
Speaker 1: charged with a crime, nor was he sued. But that
Speaker 1: was a really good basketball team that had a chance
Speaker 1: to maybe even win a national championship with for debt
Speaker 1: and they suspended him for the NCAA tournament. BYU is
Speaker 1: a team that most people have ranked in their top
Speaker 1: ten top fifteen range and thought to maybe have a
Speaker 1: really really good chance to have an excellent season based
Speaker 1: off of your understanding and knowledge of the way that
Speaker 1: BYU works, I mean, this feels like something that they're
Speaker 1: not going to mess around with, and like I said,
Speaker 1: do process is needed, so we'll give the space for it.
Speaker 1: But your thoughts on what could potentially go.
Speaker 2: Down with BYU and how.
Speaker 1: They're going to kind of traverse this space. And obviously
Speaker 1: Brian Santiago is a new ad, has a new list
Speaker 1: of things to take care of.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tricky, complex situation, and my guess would
Speaker 4: be that the university, Brian Santiago, the athletic department, they're
Speaker 4: all going to say that they're going to let the
Speaker 4: judicial process play out. I don't know for sure. Do
Speaker 4: you know, Spence, if if the court or if the
Speaker 4: case filing was filed today, it.
Speaker 2: Was filed today according to the trip.
Speaker 4: Yes, so this is obviously very brand new information for
Speaker 4: everybody if it's just been today and they're going to
Speaker 4: have to my guess would be that they're going to
Speaker 4: be very tight lipped about it, and they're going to
Speaker 4: say that they're going to let the judicial process play out.
Speaker 4: And honestly, I think that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 4: And when it comes to the nature of things like this,
Speaker 4: it is irresponsible to really speculate on, you know, how
Speaker 4: certain outcomes may come about, especially considering the sensitive nature
Speaker 4: of it. But you know, you're right. Historically BYU has
Speaker 4: had a fairly strict policy when it comes to off
Speaker 4: the field incidents or you know, allegations of the nature.
Speaker 4: I don't have a great answer for you right now,
Speaker 4: just because I don't know the specifics, like I said,
Speaker 4: and it is unfortunately just way too sensitive of a
Speaker 4: topic for me to try to pontificate upon. So I apologize.
Speaker 1: No, you're you're right, and I mean, the one last
Speaker 1: thing I'll say on this now we'll move on, is
Speaker 1: for the idiots online taking victory lapse because you cheer
Speaker 1: for a different football team, like put the phone away.
Speaker 1: You don't need to tweet like, let's there's a victim,
Speaker 1: alleged victim who is potentially involved here that probably has
Speaker 1: gone through something traumatic that none of us fully understand.
Speaker 1: So you don't have to tweet, put the phones away,
Speaker 1: move on, and we will now move on.
Speaker 2: There's no comfortable way of doing that.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, so you reference the
Speaker 1: conversations you're having in the rooms about the House v
Speaker 1: NCUBA settlement, which I don't know, maybe two months ago
Speaker 1: felt like it was imminent and now it feels like
Speaker 1: it might be far away and continues to be far
Speaker 1: away based off of some of the state by state
Speaker 1: legislation that has been passed to protect member institutions from
Speaker 1: the very settlement that we've been waiting for. So what
Speaker 1: are some of the conversations you guys are having about
Speaker 1: where we're at with House VNC DOUBLEA And what do
Speaker 1: you think the latest kind of sounds like right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you basically took the answer right out of my mouth, man, Like,
Speaker 4: it is so ironic that every time they seem to
Speaker 4: make a few steps forward, you take a few extra
Speaker 4: steps back. The fact that states are getting involved on
Speaker 4: this at a level individually could potentially make the kind
Speaker 4: of the blanket result that much more easy for everybody.
Speaker 4: Is very on brand for the state of college athletics,
Speaker 4: for college football and dealing with the NCAA as a whole.
Speaker 4: If and when this settlement gets done, it's going to
Speaker 4: be extremely important for everybody to get their ducks in
Speaker 4: a row. Obviously, but the fact that these states I
Speaker 4: think Tennessee, maybe Kentucky and a couple other if I'm
Speaker 4: not mistaken, are starting to try to dig their clause
Speaker 4: into this, the fact that they can make it that
Speaker 4: much more arduous and basically muddy the waters, it is
Speaker 4: very unfortunate because I feel like we're so close to
Speaker 4: having something like tangible to be like, Okay, twenty point
Speaker 4: five million dollars is going to go to each member
Speaker 4: institution and they will be able to basically do that
Speaker 4: the whatever way they want to whichever program they want,
Speaker 4: and we can go from there. But like I said,
Speaker 4: things aren't done easily in this realm, and I think
Speaker 4: a lot of it, honestly, Spence is like I think,
Speaker 4: people trying to capitalize on a murky situation. Anyways, some
Speaker 4: people are probably trying to come off as you know,
Speaker 4: pseudo want to be saviors, whether that's talking about individual
Speaker 4: state legislators or just other people as a whole. It
Speaker 4: the sooner this gets done, the better it is for everybody,
Speaker 4: because once this gets done, then we can finally get
Speaker 4: onto the bigger point of view, and that is, how
Speaker 4: is this twenty point five million dollars going to be
Speaker 4: basically chopped up and split up between each you know,
Speaker 4: major Division one university across the country. And then at
Speaker 4: that time, hopefully for public institutions, we'll be able to
Speaker 4: get a program by program breakdown and you'll get an actual,
Speaker 4: like real life way to correctly decipher what these guys
Speaker 4: are doing and why they're doing it. And the fact
Speaker 4: that we haven't been able to get there yet is
Speaker 4: very frustrating, and the fact that we could potentially be
Speaker 4: waiting even longer is even more frustrating than that.
Speaker 1: So on May one, Bill Lee shout out Bill Lee,
Speaker 1: who's the governor of Tennessee. He signed a six page
Speaker 1: state bill Bill number five thirty six, and Ross Dellinger
Speaker 1: was able to get the details and it paves the
Speaker 1: way for the state schools at Tennessee, which of course,
Speaker 1: University of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Memphis, et cetera, and their affiliated
Speaker 1: collectives to break house settlement related rules and prevents college
Speaker 1: Sports quote New Enforcement Entity from penalizing those schools So
Speaker 1: what the officials from the powerful conferences have done in
Speaker 1: response is they're circulating aft of what's called a groundbreaking
Speaker 1: and a first of its kind document intended to prevent
Speaker 1: universities from using state laws to violate new enforcement rules
Speaker 1: and essentially require schools to waive their right to pursue
Speaker 1: legal challenges against the new enforcement entity, which is known
Speaker 1: as the College Sports Commission. So you combine that with
Speaker 1: what happened in February where power conferences simply are seeking
Speaker 1: more control over NCAA championships, namely March Madness men's and
Speaker 1: women's basketball tournaments, and obviously the CFP. All of this
Speaker 1: feels like we are moving towards the shift where power conferences,
Speaker 1: not the NCUBA, will control policing athlete compensation, and that's
Speaker 1: not surprising anybody, Chris. But what we're moving into now
Speaker 1: is the haves are now fighting amongst each other, where
Speaker 1: some of the schools that exist in states that are
Speaker 1: passing bills that literally say you do not have to
Speaker 1: fight the guidelines that are given to you when the
Speaker 1: house free NCAA is actually settled. They're now being warned
Speaker 1: by the P four institutions that you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: use state rules to circumvent the actual rules that are
Speaker 1: in place when the settlement comes down, Like somehow they've
Speaker 1: managed to make it more convoluted when it seemed like
Speaker 1: we were inching closer and closer to the finish line.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm in your city and I'm going to draw
Speaker 4: the most perfect analogy possible.
Speaker 2: I feel it.
Speaker 4: You knew it, You knew it. You We have to
Speaker 4: we have to. We have to figure out which conference
Speaker 4: is Connor.
Speaker 2: No succession, yeah, succession?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know which conference is shive?
Speaker 4: Which conference is the eldest boy? Like that's that is
Speaker 4: what it feels like. And it makes sense because there
Speaker 4: is meat on the bone for the powers that be
Speaker 4: to try to grab power and a lot of that
Speaker 4: it's grand standing and I get that. But again, until
Speaker 4: there is a set, firm set of rules in place,
Speaker 4: people are going to try to capitalize on the quote
Speaker 4: unquote wild west of college athletics. So the fact that
Speaker 4: the big boys are infighting now and are going to
Speaker 4: do their best to potentially try to police the stuff
Speaker 4: makes a ton of sense because why wouldn't they Because
Speaker 4: they know that they can throw their weight around because
Speaker 4: they know, at the end of the day of their
Speaker 4: brands are the things that shoulder the load in college athletics.
Speaker 4: They know their brands are the things that drive money
Speaker 4: when it comes to TV rights and meteorites and all
Speaker 4: of these things. This is the reality of where we
Speaker 4: are right now, and it's going to stay that way
Speaker 4: for a while until we get some sort if we
Speaker 4: ever get that, if we ever get to the point
Speaker 4: that somebody is going to draw a line in the
Speaker 4: sand and say this is how you operate within the
Speaker 4: confine of the rules. Otherwise these guys are going to
Speaker 4: throw their weight around.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to try to do this. How
Speaker 2: to do this?
Speaker 1: Are we Are we allowed to include Walms Gams in
Speaker 1: the conversation or does it have to be the kids?
Speaker 4: I think it's got to be the Core four.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, because Shiv is married to Tom, they're the
Speaker 1: sec they have the power. I'm gonna say Logan Roy
Speaker 1: is Mark Emerate no longer with us.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's see here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say Connor Roy is the PAC twelve. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2: Just hanging off.
Speaker 4: How dare you you wrote? You wrote off his presidential
Speaker 4: campaign before he even started.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see, well, we'll make We're gonna make Kendall
Speaker 1: the Big ten because you know, the oldest boy, you
Speaker 1: cannot deny the power. But ultimately he's not the SEC.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna give that to Shiv. We'll make let's see, we'll.
Speaker 4: Make Romans the Big twelve is a great fit.
Speaker 1: We'll go Roman Big twelve. Okay, and let's see that leaves.
Speaker 1: We'll make cousin Greg the a CEC. No one really
Speaker 1: cares about him with They're fun.
Speaker 4: Great, great, great move. I mean, dude, I don't know, man,
Speaker 4: this is sports talk radio edit EPEX. I'm not even
Speaker 4: being funny either. This is and I'm on the fifteenth floor.
Speaker 4: You know, the city is alive. There's an ambulance driving
Speaker 4: right by right now, like this is as real as
Speaker 4: a kiss.
Speaker 1: We need to get a little succession soundtrack. We need
Speaker 1: the piano in the background we get we need to
Speaker 1: get that time. Okay, So there we go. So Roman's
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. Shiv is the SEC. We're giving Kendall
Speaker 1: the Big ten. We're given. We're giving Connor the Pac twelve,
Speaker 1: and we'll make cousin Greg the ACC and again logan
Speaker 1: is Mark Emerd because he's dead and doesn't matter anymore
Speaker 1: that you said it not me that all works. Oh goodness, gracious,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move over to what are we doing?
Speaker 2: What is going on today?
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: No, it's wonderful, it's great, it's great. All right, let's
Speaker 2: move over here.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you guys discussed this today, and I'm
Speaker 1: honestly conflicted because you cannot debate that the best football
Speaker 1: is not played in the Big ten of the SEC consistently.
Speaker 1: It does not mean that there couldn't be a Clemson
Speaker 1: or a Florida State or a Utah or a Texas
Speaker 1: Tech or whatever that rises up, and it belongs in
Speaker 1: the ranks of the College Football League from time to time.
Speaker 1: But the expanded sixteen team CFP proposal includes four auto
Speaker 1: bids four Shive, four auto bids for Kendall, two auto
Speaker 1: bids for Roman, two auto bids for cousin Greg, one
Speaker 1: auto bid for our guy Connor Roy.
Speaker 2: And the group of six.
Speaker 1: So again, this is a proposal that gives half of
Speaker 1: the sixteen team auto bids. I wonder how many people
Speaker 1: are like, what the hell are they talking about this
Speaker 1: is a proposal that gives sixteen like half of the
Speaker 1: sixteen auto bids to the Big ten, of the SEC
Speaker 1: two auto bids to the Big twelve, and the ACC
Speaker 1: one auto bid to the Group of six, and then
Speaker 1: three at large bids and then ultimately that's how you
Speaker 1: land on the number sixteen. Apparently there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pushback on this, but again I'm conflicted because at
Speaker 1: some point there's the conversation about the Big ten and
Speaker 1: the SEC taking their ball and doing their own thing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: how do you think this plays out? What are some
Speaker 1: of the conversational pieces you guys are having about the
Speaker 1: proposal on the table to expand this thing to sixteen.
Speaker 4: Well, I think what we've talked about and what everybody
Speaker 4: realizes is that there may never be an end point
Speaker 4: to this thing. I think it could be a moving target.
Speaker 4: It could be twelve, it could be fourteen, it could
Speaker 4: be sixteen, depending on the success each year, depending on
Speaker 4: the amount of money they make with media rights feals
Speaker 4: and on campus home games. You never know, man, Like,
Speaker 4: never in any sense of reality did we think one
Speaker 4: day we would leave the BCS system behind for you know,
Speaker 4: a fourteen playoffs and never in you know, nobody in
Speaker 4: their right mind never thought it would go to twelve,
Speaker 4: and here we are already talking about it expanding again.
Speaker 4: I don't personally have an issue with the Big ten
Speaker 4: and the SEC getting the bulk of the auto bids,
Speaker 4: mainly because they feature the best teams in the country.
Speaker 4: And if you're talking about it, logically, even the most
Speaker 4: casual of fans want to tune in to watch potentially
Speaker 4: dominant teams that they don't really want to root for. Now,
Speaker 4: that isn't great for a market like ours, where we
Speaker 4: have a couple of Cinderellas who want to dance once
Speaker 4: every decade or so. But if you think about it,
Speaker 4: when was the last time a non Big ten or
Speaker 4: SEC team won a national title? And we can take
Speaker 4: Clemson that like Clemson is the answer, but like when
Speaker 4: it was the last time a non Big ten, non SEC,
Speaker 4: non Clemson team won a national title? I honestly couldn't
Speaker 4: even tell you yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it complex because we're in Big
Speaker 1: twelve countries, so we can yell as loud as we
Speaker 1: possibly can, as we can yell as loud as we
Speaker 1: want to, but it doesn't change the fact that the
Speaker 1: majority of the blue bloods in college football exists in
Speaker 1: the Big Ten and in the SEC. Does it feel
Speaker 1: like to you that we are still moving into a
Speaker 1: world where college football, when the dust settles, will look
Speaker 1: a lot like pro football, or to your point, will
Speaker 1: this just be an ever living organism that changes kind
Speaker 1: of year by year.
Speaker 4: I believe it's going to do the latter. I think
Speaker 4: the fact that they've the powers that be have been
Speaker 4: proven year in and year out that they can change
Speaker 4: the game, they can move the goalpost, they can do
Speaker 4: it differently and still make more money. It behooves them
Speaker 4: to be able to maintain that flexibility rather than kind
Speaker 4: of putting themselves in a box. So I could be
Speaker 4: proven wrong and eventually one day they could be deciding
Speaker 4: to do that super league model that has been bandied
Speaker 4: about for a long time. But I think, at least
Speaker 4: in the very near future, it doesn't really benefit them
Speaker 4: to constrain themselves that way, because they've been proven time
Speaker 4: and time again that they can make more money even
Speaker 4: though changes can come.
Speaker 1: Is the New York Times building somewhere where you find
Speaker 1: that it's a nice, nice, safe space where you don't
Speaker 1: have to pretend that you like Hamilton.
Speaker 4: Well, I find it a safe space to pretend that
Speaker 4: I don't like college football, because until people figure that out,
Speaker 4: the ruises up.
Speaker 2: Man, See the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem with these interviews is now I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: about succession quotes that are just bouncing around in my mind.
Speaker 1: All right, Chris, before we set you loose, we'll let
Speaker 1: you get back to what you have going on. I
Speaker 1: still can't believe this conversation with the direction it did,
Speaker 1: but you know, that's what makes it fun. I'm quite
Speaker 1: sure you did not have a chance to listen to
Speaker 1: the gaffer himself, Pablo masch Junni on the program yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was on a Delta flight to JFK, so apologies.
Speaker 2: I was not able to Did you watch anything on
Speaker 2: the plane? How did you How did you pass the
Speaker 2: five hour flight?
Speaker 4: I took a little bit of a fake nap, closed
Speaker 4: my eyes for about an hour, and then watch the film.
Speaker 2: Would you share a care or would you care to share?
Speaker 2: Which film you want?
Speaker 4: It's called The Bike Riders. It's a film with with
Speaker 4: Tom Hardy and a couple other very handsome looking gentlemen.
Speaker 4: It's about a motorcycle club in Chicago in the sixties.
Speaker 8: I enjoyed it plus interesting.
Speaker 2: I'll check it out.
Speaker 1: So Pablo, and this took three or four different follow
Speaker 1: up questions where I definitely was blaboring the point. Because
Speaker 1: the fact of matter, Chris, is this like, once upon
Speaker 1: a time in MLS, you didn't have to belabor the
Speaker 1: point about economic infusion in your club. You didn't have
Speaker 1: to spend twenty thirty forty million whatever it is. Hence
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine our guys lift the trophy beating
Speaker 1: David Beckham and Landon Donovan, you know, with that club
Speaker 1: with Javier and Kyle and Nicky in the whole group. Well,
Speaker 1: MLS is not on the level of the NBA or
Speaker 1: the NFL, but it's grown to the point where it's
Speaker 1: no longer even an option to build a club with
Speaker 1: out economic confusion. If you want to build a winner,
Speaker 1: and if you want to be competitive, if you want
Speaker 1: to be unseerious about competing and simply develop young players
Speaker 1: and then move them on for a premium so you
Speaker 1: can satisfy your investors, you can do that. But that's
Speaker 1: such an unserious approach, and that is what we've kind
Speaker 1: of experienced over the past little bit, and I think
Speaker 1: it's got a lot of.
Speaker 2: People off guard.
Speaker 1: Pablo yesterday dropped a bit of a bomb on the program.
Speaker 1: It's a little breaking news, accidental journalism that he was
Speaker 1: told this week by the new ownership group that they
Speaker 1: are no longer interested in selling any of their young players,
Speaker 1: namely Diego Luna, who rumors flying that he might be
Speaker 1: gone during this summer transfer.
Speaker 8: Windo.
Speaker 2: Now, look if a La Liga club.
Speaker 1: Or Bundesliga or EPL or whatever, if any club in
Speaker 1: Europe calls Kurt Schmidt and says we will pay you
Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty million dollars for Diego Luna, I
Speaker 1: get it. But what do you make of what I
Speaker 1: perceive to be a really massive change of direction in
Speaker 1: ethos by the Miller family now that they take taken
Speaker 1: over informing Pablo in the front office. They're not interested
Speaker 1: in this ethos of developing as a you know, developing
Speaker 1: players as a club and then moving them on.
Speaker 2: They want to build something for the long haul.
Speaker 4: Well, this is a multi layered conversation, and if we
Speaker 4: take Diego as the prime example, it kind of makes
Speaker 4: sense because if you haven't had that twenty to thirty
Speaker 4: million dollar offer. Yet unless he goes on to score
Speaker 4: twenty goals and has fifteen assists, maybe you're going to
Speaker 4: get an offer from alligat Mchi's team in the ten
Speaker 4: to fifteen million dollar range. But is Diego Luna worth
Speaker 4: that much to you as a club? I would argue yes,
Speaker 4: especially considering where you are with the state of the
Speaker 4: franchise and the roster as a whole. There are some
Speaker 4: decent bones beyond Diego Luna. I know, you know, a
Speaker 4: Mecca is a potential MLS, you know, all eleven caliber player,
Speaker 4: and there are some nice bit pieces, but Diego Luna
Speaker 4: is a pretty damn good starting off point if you
Speaker 4: want to say, like, this is the guy we want
Speaker 4: to build our team around. And maybe I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: lazy here and I'm going to do the sports radio
Speaker 4: thing and say, like, does it make sense to compare
Speaker 4: having a Diego Luna to a Donovan Mitchell type figure
Speaker 4: perhaps in the MLS RSL soccer realm. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's that far off. If you talk about a young, dynamic,
Speaker 4: very you know, tantalizing player that that has captivated the
Speaker 4: heart and soul of your of your fan base that
Speaker 4: has been through the Ringer in the last five years.
Speaker 4: If he wants to stay and you can pay him
Speaker 4: the wages that he will eventually deserve if his star
Speaker 4: continues to climb, then it makes sense to build around him.
Speaker 4: Now their problem isn't you know, the potentially ditching that ethos.
Speaker 4: Their problem is is they have to figure out that
Speaker 4: the new Ethos is going out and spending a lot
Speaker 4: of money, more money than RSL historically ever has. And
Speaker 4: I know last year they sold Oner Skomas for reported
Speaker 4: twelve to fourteen million and the Barajas Kid went to
Speaker 4: achieve us for like four to five. But really, if
Speaker 4: you think about it, in the annals of RSL history,
Speaker 4: those are really kind of the two big transfers. RSEL
Speaker 4: hasn't really developed any other players at least especially out
Speaker 4: of their academy system that have gone on to become
Speaker 4: big time purchases from clubs overseas or on this continent.
Speaker 4: So great on you on you know, getting Pablo to
Speaker 4: divulge some accidental journalism. I know that's your secret superpower,
Speaker 4: but it's listen, man, this summer is going to be
Speaker 4: big and they regardless I think Rsel is kind of
Speaker 4: firmly out of the playoff spot. I think they've already
Speaker 4: lost more games so far this year than they have
Speaker 4: than they did in the entirety of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: But if, if, if the Millers say they want to
Speaker 4: hold onto players and not sell them, that's great. But
Speaker 4: you have to be willing to spend a whole lot
Speaker 4: of money to bring in players as good or better
Speaker 4: than Diego Luna if you want to prove to your
Speaker 4: fan base you're serious about winning there.
Speaker 1: It is, had to do it, had to do it.
Speaker 1: I really don't know what's my favorite? Which one is?
Speaker 1: My favorite?
Speaker 8: Ship?
Speaker 1: Is the SEC rules If I'm honest, Roman is the
Speaker 1: Big twelve is incredible? But you know Connor is the
Speaker 1: Pac twelve seems to work? Yeah, do you have a favorite?
Speaker 1: Before I set you this?
Speaker 4: Connor is the Pac full for sure? An independent you know,
Speaker 4: living off the grid on the West coast, you know
Speaker 4: Connor living in that New Mexico, you know mansion you
Speaker 4: know north of Santa Fe. It just plays that hits
Speaker 4: for me the most.
Speaker 2: Give me a Nixon six.
Speaker 4: K are we are? We are? We worried about what
Speaker 4: Tyrese Haliburton and Miles Turner can do in the pick
Speaker 4: and roll. Are we worried about.
Speaker 1: Look at you? Look at you? We are not, but
Speaker 1: I appreciate the ball breaked out all right. Let me
Speaker 1: know if you need any restaurant rex. I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: well taken care of save travels. Thanks for the time, Bud,
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Chris com Roddy from the Athletic got Lou says,
Speaker 1: it always does. Going to bring in our friend Spencer
Speaker 1: Linton from BYUTV covers BYU Athletics, So join us at
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes from right now. We will talk to
Speaker 1: Spencer about the news broken by the Salt Lake Tribune
Speaker 1: at about one forty five mountain time, so ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before we crack the mic here in the
Speaker 1: afternoon drive space, the BYU quarterback jak Rreetzlov has been
Speaker 1: accused of sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk to Spencer about that.
Speaker 1: Obviously, just an unfortunate situation, one that's not easy to
Speaker 1: talk about, one that's not not easy to kind of unpack.
Speaker 1: But that broke not too long ago, So we'll get
Speaker 1: to Spencer Litton coming up on the other side of
Speaker 1: four o'clock. Dave mcmannimon joins us for our NBA Daily
Speaker 1: Assists Today. News broke right when we started the show. Actually,
Speaker 1: SGA Shay Gilgas Alexander is your MVP for the NBA,
Speaker 1: an announcement that took a long time to kind of
Speaker 1: permeate throughout the news cycle. I'm not sure why the
Speaker 1: NBA decided to wait that long. So we'll get to
Speaker 1: Dave McManaman, we'll do some NBA playoffs, and then we'll
Speaker 1: also get to some NBA Draft stuff, as the Jazz
Speaker 1: have two first round picks two second round picks as well.
Speaker 1: Reminder that we will have great draft night coverage on
Speaker 1: June the twenty fifth. I will anchor the show and
Speaker 1: it will be Gordy Chiasa and Richard Smith smity forty
Speaker 1: years with the Utah Jazz. Gordy of course, a lifetime
Speaker 1: in both college and pro basketball coaching with some of
Speaker 1: the Titans in the business, of course, not your Jerry Sloan,
Speaker 1: Rick Patino and others. Gordy's the best, and obviously Smitty
Speaker 1: rules as well. So don't forget we will get you
Speaker 1: taken care of.
Speaker 2: In that direction. Did you watch Succession? Did you? Uh?
Speaker 2: Did you tune into Succession? I remember I haven't finished it.
Speaker 2: You still haven't finished Succession?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. All right, but I did. I
Speaker 3: did get into it. It's a good show, it is.
Speaker 3: I do think I need to to catch up on.
Speaker 1: Chris Camrodnie joined us last segment and it got loose.
Speaker 1: We decided to draw parallels between Succession characters and conferences
Speaker 1: in college football.
Speaker 2: Uh c K is in New York where.
Speaker 1: College football, the college Football round Table from the heavy
Speaker 1: hitters at the athletic are all gathering. Uh So that's
Speaker 1: kind of driven the majority of the show today.
Speaker 2: All Right, Porter, I've waited.
Speaker 1: I've waited almost two hours to ask you confidence level tonight,
Speaker 1: Midtown Manhattan, New York Knicks, Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2: The Knicks are a four point five point favorite.
Speaker 1: I've listened to a lot of back and forth, a
Speaker 1: lot of NBA podcasts, I've checked out the news cycle today.
Speaker 1: I ignore anything Steven A. Smith has to say. Reminder,
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference finals luckily are on TNT ESPN as
Speaker 1: the West, and therefore you do not have to explain
Speaker 1: to your children that Steven A.
Speaker 2: Smith does not actually play for the next.
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's a consensus about this series.
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of Pacers picks. I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of Knicks picks. What's your confidence level in the
Speaker 1: New York Next.
Speaker 3: I don't think there should be a consensus because it's
Speaker 3: it's a series that I think should be really competitive. Now,
Speaker 3: the one thing that gives me semblance of hope is
Speaker 3: that what we saw in the last series against the
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics was a team kind of full of players
Speaker 3: that you would like to if you were to create
Speaker 3: players in a lab to throw at Jalen Brunsonlics have
Speaker 3: them all, Drew Holliday, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown. You go
Speaker 3: down the list and you kind of have everything you need,
Speaker 3: everything you would want in a Swiss army knife to
Speaker 3: throw at a player like Jalen Brunson, And they didn't
Speaker 3: have an answer. Indiana doesn't have a player better than
Speaker 3: any of those guys. Now, Indiana has some, as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: some dogs on the defensive ends, some guys that are
Speaker 3: are young and hungry and really fun to watch and
Speaker 3: really aggressive, But they don't have defenders that are necessarily
Speaker 3: any better than Tatum, Brown and Holiday so confident about
Speaker 3: the Knick's ability to get theirs, and the series might
Speaker 3: come down to, similar to the last one, the Knicks
Speaker 3: ability Annobie mckel bridges the defensive wings. They have their
Speaker 3: ability to bother Tyrese Halliburn, to bother Indiana and force
Speaker 3: someone else to beat you. That may be what it's
Speaker 3: a big picture very simply decides the series.
Speaker 1: You know, Jalen might be approaching that level of an
Speaker 1: offensive player, did it might not matter who's on him.
Speaker 1: I mean really like you referenced Drew Holliday, Derek White
Speaker 1: and then switches before Tatum went down, Like New York
Speaker 1: would try to get the switch if Porzingis was in
Speaker 1: the game, if Cornette was in the game, even Horford
Speaker 1: as well. But if it's any of the four perimeter
Speaker 1: players and you're trying to get the right switch on Jalen,
Speaker 1: you're up a creek without a paddle against Boston on paper.
Speaker 1: Because it's Jalen Brown who's six A, it's Jason Tatum
Speaker 1: is six eight.
Speaker 2: It's true Holliday he was six y four.
Speaker 1: It's Derek White who six three sixty four, and it
Speaker 1: it didn't matter you know, I was listening to Raja
Speaker 1: Bell our guy Howard Beck does a podcast with Raja
Speaker 1: Bell called The Real Ones and Rajah Bell former jazz
Speaker 1: man by the way, phenomenal NBA analyst on the podcast,
Speaker 1: spas on the radio and TV space. ESPN could take
Speaker 1: a look at him instead of Perk. But anyway, Roger
Speaker 1: does a really good job. And I was listening to
Speaker 1: him break down kind of how he would guard Jalen,
Speaker 1: and he kind of admitted, like the level that Jalen
Speaker 1: Brunson has ascended to, a lot of it is making
Speaker 1: him uncomfortable and hope you just hope you miss his shots.
Speaker 2: That's really kind of what it is.
Speaker 1: Just try to get him off the spots, try to
Speaker 1: make him uncomfortable. I do anticipate Andrew Nemhart is a pest.
Speaker 1: He is a pest, and so is TJ McConnell. And
Speaker 1: Indiana has all these different dudes that aren't necessarily on paper,
Speaker 1: the same size as the Boston Celtic perimeter defenders. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if we see aaron Ne Smith
Speaker 1: get some time on him. I wouldn't be some Benedict
Speaker 1: Matherin wants to fight the world he does, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't be surprised if you see Andrew
Speaker 1: nemhard TJ McConnell, any of these perimeter players picking Jalen
Speaker 1: up full court, making him work for five or six
Speaker 1: seconds to bring the ball up the floor. And then
Speaker 1: the biggest thing you have to do with an offensive
Speaker 1: player who's elevated himself to this level is and certainly
Speaker 1: the way they're officiating the playoffs if you've tuned in,
Speaker 1: and by the way ratings through the roof people are
Speaker 1: watching NBA playoffs, with the way they're officiating the stuff
Speaker 1: they are allowing, a ton of hand checking, a ton
Speaker 1: of physicality. Rajah was saying it kind of reminds him
Speaker 1: of when he was playing. I mean, it's like nineties basketball.
Speaker 1: You are allowed to control movement of an offensive player
Speaker 1: with your physicality.
Speaker 2: So pick him up full court Jalen.
Speaker 1: You know, he brings the ball down, gets rid of it,
Speaker 1: passes it to the wing, and then you just make
Speaker 1: it really difficult for him to get the ball back,
Speaker 1: whether it's face guard, whether it's blitz off pick and roll,
Speaker 1: and then you just have to make him work as
Speaker 1: much as it possibly can and the unfortunate part porter
Speaker 1: about this whole thing is Halliburton can have a bad game,
Speaker 1: and you know, people forget Pascal Siakan was an All Star,
Speaker 1: and they've been able to get some offensive punch from
Speaker 1: some of these other players. And we've seen some good
Speaker 1: mckel bridges for quarters, We've seen some good Ogannoobee games.
Speaker 1: I think so much of this has to do with Kat.
Speaker 1: I think so much of this series has to do
Speaker 1: with Kat. But if Jalen can't be Jalen, this series
Speaker 1: concerns me. I mean, I really think the Basers have
Speaker 1: a chance if they can make Jalen work and then
Speaker 1: put him in blender situations. On the other end, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if you can hide Jalen in this series.
Speaker 1: My guess is OG's going to get the Halliburton assignment,
Speaker 1: not not Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2: They'll probably put him on nem Hard or even Nie
Speaker 2: Smith a little bit. But if Jalen isn't Jalen, it's different.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: Halliburton can have an off game and the Pacers can win,
Speaker 1: and that concerns me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why when you bring up Karl Anthony Towns,
Speaker 3: I think that is that is a huge X factor
Speaker 3: in this series, just because you know it's the other
Speaker 3: guys that you may turn to because New York has
Speaker 3: the personnel mckel Bridges, Josh Hart even you go to
Speaker 3: the to the bench with McBride and others to row
Speaker 3: bodies at Tyrese Haliburton to really, you know, as you said,
Speaker 3: pick him up the full court, do similar things with
Speaker 3: Tyresee that the Pacers are going to try with Jalen Brunson,
Speaker 3: and because of that, yeah, it's going to be what
Speaker 3: can mckel bridges do on the offensive e vent what
Speaker 3: can Passcal Siakam, as you said, a former All Star
Speaker 3: do on the offensive event now that the bright lights
Speaker 3: are on. That's a guy who's been a huge part
Speaker 3: of really deep playoff runs. So you look at Pascal
Speaker 3: Siakam and yeah, I think you look at Karl Anthony
Speaker 3: Towns because the team that gets the most out of
Speaker 3: the other guys. Not that Karl Anthony Towns is another
Speaker 3: guy in this roster, but you know, not your number
Speaker 3: one option. The team that gets the most out of
Speaker 3: those players, I think is not a hot take, but
Speaker 3: they're going to be in the in the driver's sea here.
Speaker 1: Are you aware that Karl Anthony Towns has now developed
Speaker 1: a New York accent?
Speaker 2: I saw that, did you get I sent you the tweet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you either sent me a tweet a message with
Speaker 3: him a postgame interview, he sounded like a Sopranos character
Speaker 3: all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 1: Now he did grow up in New Jersey, but I
Speaker 1: want to be clear, I've been listening to my man
Speaker 1: be interviewed since he was eighteen years old. That came
Speaker 1: out of knowing he's never had a New York accent.
Speaker 1: It was a less no Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly
Speaker 1: when he moved down LSU and suddenly out of Southern accent.
Speaker 1: That is the That is such clown behavior, Like, don't
Speaker 1: do that. You don't have to fake an accent. We've
Speaker 1: been listening to Kat be interviewed for literally fifteen years
Speaker 1: or so because he was such a highly sought after
Speaker 1: high school player ruck a pock. You know, like he's
Speaker 1: dropping the New York hard and he's never had a
Speaker 1: New York accent. I gotta be honest, man, there's a
Speaker 1: little corniness to him that I have a hard time getting.
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent there is a little bit of
Speaker 3: the the same stuff we talk about with Donovan a
Speaker 3: little bit right, and that Carl goes with, but hey,
Speaker 3: I never know how to like it's not so one
Speaker 3: thing you can like quantify or identify. Really it's just
Speaker 3: a weird, like performative thing. I like in it too.
Speaker 3: And this is really more of a case with Donovan.
Speaker 3: You know, when you have the two K the video
Speaker 3: game and you play the career and you have like
Speaker 3: you go through like there's an interview, or you're in
Speaker 3: the GM's office and you have like circle X square
Speaker 3: and you can respond to conversations with those yep. When
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell is getting interviewed, and sometimes Karl Anthony Towns Spence,
Speaker 3: I feel like someone is sitting there pressing circle.
Speaker 1: It's such a good pressing X, It's such a good call.
Speaker 1: Little performance stuff, oh big time. And the other problem is, Kat,
Speaker 1: we have hundreds of hours of you giving interviews and
Speaker 1: you've never talked like that in your life. One more
Speaker 1: basketball topic that's been permeating throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: conversation last night and today, Jay Gilge Alexander foul Merchant,
Speaker 1: do you have an issue with this or is this
Speaker 1: a skill that you need to win basketball game?
Speaker 2: It's not new.
Speaker 3: James Harden is kind of perfected this side. Then on
Speaker 3: that list, Jonovvian Mitchell, absolutely, and it's not limited to
Speaker 3: those guys. You can go back to the list of
Speaker 3: all time greats. Karl Malone was really good at getting
Speaker 3: to the free throw line. He did it with more physicality.
Speaker 3: He did it more so instigating contact and then just
Speaker 3: being bigger and stronger than you, so it kind of
Speaker 3: like forced you into fouling him.
Speaker 2: Right, Shaquille O'Neil did the same thing.
Speaker 3: Getting to the free throw line is is an art,
Speaker 3: but there is a line where you know, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't mind people getting frustrated with like non basketball moves.
Speaker 3: There have been some rules, some of them seemed almost
Speaker 3: James Harden, I say, inspired the three point one where
Speaker 3: you're kind of kicking your foot out, like. There are
Speaker 3: are un natural basketball moves that I do think should
Speaker 3: be taken out of the game and not necessarily ruled against. Right,
Speaker 3: but officials in the NBA should be trained to watch
Speaker 3: specifically things like that. Right when when James Harden is
Speaker 3: kind of baiting folks in and then ripping through. That's
Speaker 3: that's something that's it's difficult to officiate. I don't mind
Speaker 3: the uh the let them play through it a little bit,
Speaker 3: especially when it's guys like SGA, it's guys like James
Speaker 3: Harden who they lean into it a little bit more
Speaker 3: than more than others.
Speaker 2: Chris Paul like, there's a lot of guys that have.
Speaker 1: Done there are two specific offensive movements right now that
Speaker 1: the NBA, in my opinion, needs to look at. One
Speaker 1: is the Jokic and I love Jokic, okay. One is
Speaker 1: the jokicic. I am going to trap your arm under
Speaker 1: my armpit, yep, and then turn around and then flail.
Speaker 2: As if you're the one that was grabbing me. Steven
Speaker 2: Adams gets a bunch of calls that way too. It's
Speaker 2: such bs.
Speaker 1: And the other one and this is Donovan is the
Speaker 1: worst with this one, simply throwing your head back. Gordon Hayward.
Speaker 1: Hayward's bad at it. And you know we gotta be
Speaker 1: on our guy. Jalen does it a bit yep, big
Speaker 1: body Brunson, our guy Perk, shout out Perk. But the
Speaker 1: whole driving to the bucket and then you just get
Speaker 1: touched and you throw your head back.
Speaker 2: Makes it look like you've received contact.
Speaker 1: It's cheating. It should be eliminated from the game altogether.
Speaker 1: And here's what I'll give Shay. I mean, Shay is
Speaker 1: six' eight, Physical he can handle. It his angles are.
Speaker 1: Impeccable where there's some calls last night that upon review were, Horrific,
Speaker 1: yes BUT i think he has become like a master
Speaker 1: at his craft in a way That jordan. Did you,
Speaker 1: know with the ability to handle the ball with your
Speaker 1: size and strength and your speed and understand. Angles and
Speaker 1: if you're a defensive player GUARDING sga these, days you
Speaker 1: have to be so disciplined with angles and understand that
Speaker 1: he is going to take this straight line and then
Speaker 1: date you into believing he's moving in a different. Direction
Speaker 1: and then if you make a mistake as a defender
Speaker 1: with your, footwork he is going to take advantage of.
Speaker 1: You and that to me is a skill set that
Speaker 1: should be rewarded if the contact is. Merited, now if
Speaker 1: you don't touch like a couple times last, night, SURE
Speaker 1: i just thought he was taking a lot of crap
Speaker 1: for the dark arts of pro basketball that so many,
Speaker 1: great great players have capitalized down over the, years so we'll,
Speaker 1: see we'll catch a quick. Break we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: quick hit coming up With Spencer linton FROM. Byu we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the news reported by The Salt
Speaker 1: Lake tribune That jake has been accused of sexual assault
Speaker 1: in a new civil. Lawsuit then we will bring In dave.
Speaker 1: Mcminnimon so keep it right here on this Beautiful wednesday.
Speaker 1: Afternoon we GOT nhl playoffs and THE Nba playoffs, Tonight
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals game one between The knicks and The
Speaker 1: pacers on the Fan Dallas, edmonton six o'clock here ON
Speaker 1: espn seven, hundreds so stay tuned for. That all, right
Speaker 1: let's get out to the phone, lines bringing our Buddy
Speaker 1: Spencer LINTON BYU tv style on A wednesday.
Speaker 2: Afternoon, Spencer Happy. Wednesday how are we doing.
Speaker 8: Doing?
Speaker 4: Well? Man great to talk with you and always to
Speaker 4: be on your.
Speaker 10: Show interesting day to say the, least it.
Speaker 1: IS i appreciate the time and for our. Listeners spencer
Speaker 1: is a B yu, employee so let's get that out.
Speaker 1: There AND i know there are portions of this that
Speaker 1: you probably can't even talk, about but because it is
Speaker 1: news and very, newsworthy this sol A tribune has reported
Speaker 1: THAT byu Quarterback Jake Rhetz laugh has been accused of
Speaker 1: sexual assault in a new civil.
Speaker 2: Lawsuit no criminal charges have been.
Speaker 1: Filed so just your, thoughts what you, know your your
Speaker 1: reaction to the, news and then let's go from.
Speaker 10: There, obviously as an employee of, university we have been
Speaker 10: cautioned to let the courts kind of pan out and
Speaker 10: and let what happens. Happen AND i don't want to
Speaker 10: offer any type of opinion that's going to put the
Speaker 10: university in a bad light or shed any type of
Speaker 10: or make people think That I'm i'm offering an official,
Speaker 10: statement so certainly not doing.
Speaker 2: THAT i will add.
Speaker 7: A couple of blanket.
Speaker 10: Statements, One i'm glad that you pointed out that this
Speaker 10: is a civil, case it is not a criminal. Case
Speaker 10: those two things are very, different and there been no
Speaker 10: criminal charges. Filed, secondly it's unfortunate for all parties, involved
Speaker 10: and so my hope is that this thing can be
Speaker 10: settled fairly and, promptly and that all parties involved can
Speaker 10: go on and move forward or bounce back in whatever
Speaker 10: capacity they. Can but it's an unfortunate situation to say the,
Speaker 10: least and the timing is never, good but again just
Speaker 10: wanted to double down on AND i hope all parties
Speaker 10: can can get to a place where they can move
Speaker 10: forward and that there will be no significant and weighty
Speaker 10: lasting repercussions from.
Speaker 1: This we do have this from a, gentleman you, KNOW
Speaker 1: i believe It's mark about who is the legal counsel
Speaker 1: for jacobreets. Laugh he just Releases David he said, QUOTE
Speaker 1: i am the counsel For jake rhets.
Speaker 2: Laugh i've met. Him he's a nice young.
Speaker 1: Man he's also factually, innocent and we look forward to
Speaker 1: proving that inn Since jake's focus this year will be on.
Speaker 1: Football we don't try cases in the. Media we will
Speaker 1: respect the process and Establish jake's innocence through the judicial.
Speaker 1: System so we have a statement From jake's, Lawyer So
Speaker 1: spencer again understanding acknowledging the sensitivities and complications of topics
Speaker 1: such as, this and even drying a parallel or being
Speaker 1: a analogous to anything feels.
Speaker 2: A little bit of.
Speaker 1: Toose BUT byu in the past has shown they have
Speaker 1: zero tolerance for any of. This, obviously there is an
Speaker 1: honor code that anyone who attends the university signs and
Speaker 1: has to abide by and if they, don't they are
Speaker 1: subject to. Punishment Namely Brandon davies who played for a
Speaker 1: basketball team that could have gone to A final four
Speaker 1: and maybe even beyond. That we all remember, it And
Speaker 1: brandon this is. Different brandon was not, sued he was
Speaker 1: not charged with a, crime but he was found to
Speaker 1: violate the honor code and suspend it for THE ncaa. Tournament,
Speaker 1: so as somebody that understands the process behind the, scenes
Speaker 1: how do these things play, out how do these things
Speaker 1: kind of, work what's next in the, process as we
Speaker 1: Allow jake his due, process as we're all allowed as
Speaker 1: citizens of The United.
Speaker 10: States, again to be, Clear i'm not an expert in
Speaker 10: the matters of the specifics of how this will be
Speaker 10: handled within the university and the athletics. Department WHAT i
Speaker 10: can assure people of is that it will be very
Speaker 10: thorough and it will be very calculated so that there
Speaker 10: can be a firm and fair understanding in every facet of,
Speaker 10: this and that the university they hold themselves to the
Speaker 10: highest level of integrity and no doubt they will work
Speaker 10: with a lot of character and, again the highest integrity
Speaker 10: to make sure that they have fully examined the entire
Speaker 10: situation before offering up any type of, penalty if it
Speaker 10: even comes to. That BUT i do trust the process
Speaker 10: that is involved, there and this is a this is a,
Speaker 10: challenge no, doubt for the new athletic, director Brand santiago
Speaker 10: to encounter this so early in his. Tenure BUT i
Speaker 10: have the utmost confidence in the administration And brian and
Speaker 10: The Honor Code. Office it's been revamped and, frankly it
Speaker 10: has taken, on by, necessity an approach THAT i feel
Speaker 10: is better than it's ever. Been and So i'll leave
Speaker 10: it at. That i'm confident that the due process will
Speaker 10: will play out and that they'll handle this the right
Speaker 10: and proper, way and every stone will go turned over
Speaker 10: and they'll get to a, resolution and then whatever happens after,
Speaker 10: that then so be.
Speaker 1: It you, know this does lend itself to a bigger,
Speaker 1: conversation so away from the specifics Of jake and time
Speaker 1: will you, know time will manifest how this thing plays.
Speaker 1: Out but you, KNOW i always kind of roll my
Speaker 1: eyes When i've right here at Talking head discussed the
Speaker 1: Honor code AT byu and if an athlete has found
Speaker 1: in violation and is. Punished there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are in media and sports soccer radio that
Speaker 1: decide to crack a mic and, say, well they need
Speaker 1: to do away with the honor. Code they need to
Speaker 1: change the honor. Code it's, like, dude you don't get.
Speaker 1: It you don't, Understand like it is part of THE
Speaker 1: dna of THE byu. Experience it's part of exactly you,
Speaker 1: know why people go there and why people in charge
Speaker 1: of the institution take it so deathly. Serious it will
Speaker 1: never be changed no matter how many athletes get in.
Speaker 1: Trouble AND i just wonder if you could kind of
Speaker 1: elaborate on that a little, bit because you, know over the,
Speaker 1: years you hear The jim McMahon, stories you hear the
Speaker 1: Way lavelle handled. Things The gary crochten years of course
Speaker 1: got really loose And Bronco menenhaal was tasked to clean
Speaker 1: up that, program which was in a way like being
Speaker 1: asked to clean up after A Led zeppelin. Party And
Speaker 1: bronco did exactly that brought a lot of law and,
Speaker 1: order for lack of a better, term and a lot
Speaker 1: of you, know more of a drenching approach like, no
Speaker 1: we ARE, byu and we will be front facing about our,
Speaker 1: faith even if it's after football games during press, conferences
Speaker 1: And klanie is not as in your face As bronco
Speaker 1: is about. That but throughout the course of your time
Speaker 1: attending the, institution working for the, institution what do you
Speaker 1: make of kind of conversations that take place surrounding the
Speaker 1: honor code and people that have the nerve to, say,
Speaker 1: well if it's going to affect our athletic, department we
Speaker 1: need to look at the honor code instead of the athletic.
Speaker 1: Department so enlighten us a little bit on this conversation
Speaker 1: that's permeated THROUGHOUT byu for.
Speaker 2: Decades.
Speaker 10: Yeah, sure and a loaded, topic no doubt about, it
Speaker 10: as you've touched on several aspects right. There but WHAT
Speaker 10: i have observed and experienced really especially in the past few,
Speaker 10: years is the university leaning into this rather than pushing
Speaker 10: it away or even coaches trying to say, like, yeah
Speaker 10: you can work through the, art we'll figure it. Out,
Speaker 10: no they have embraced, it Especially Coloni sataki And Kevin
Speaker 10: young and all of the current head coaches as a
Speaker 10: source of, strength which is to, say, look we do
Speaker 10: have this rule system and honor code put in, place
Speaker 10: but we believe it empowers you to show self discipline
Speaker 10: and to be committed to a cause and committed to
Speaker 10: a team that will further unify you and allow us
Speaker 10: to focus on just the sport and the school and
Speaker 10: the things that matter the. Most and so they have.
Speaker 4: AMEN i say they.
Speaker 10: The coach is an athletic department in large, part have
Speaker 10: really dived into this as a way to galvanize an entire.
Speaker 10: Department and all of the athletes, say, look you're you're
Speaker 10: all following, this but let's view it as an opportunity
Speaker 10: and as something that you have committed to and a
Speaker 10: source of strength and something that will help you build your.
Speaker 10: Character AND i wish we had enough time to talk
Speaker 10: about all the particulars in, this BUT i have appreciated
Speaker 10: watching a guy Like Kevin young tell his players and his,
Speaker 10: guys we need to stop looking at the honor code
Speaker 10: as a. Barrier we need to look at it as
Speaker 10: this is something that will allow us to train, ourselves
Speaker 10: to develop our discipline and be. Better and, frankly he
Speaker 10: has said to several athletes speaking Of Coach, young MAYBE
Speaker 10: byu isn't the place for you good, athletes outstanding basketball,
Speaker 10: players but he's very, clear if you don't want to
Speaker 10: commit to, this then this isn't the place for. You
Speaker 10: And Kalani satakia has done the, same looking out for
Speaker 10: the athlete and their well, being, saying we are requiring,
Speaker 10: this we view it as something that is good and.
Speaker 10: Strong but if you don't want this, life then we
Speaker 10: wish you the, best we love, you we support, you
Speaker 10: but MAYBE byu is not that place for. You you
Speaker 10: and so with that, said It i'm with.
Speaker 7: You it's it's just.
Speaker 10: Tough like everybody wants to offer an opinion when there
Speaker 10: is a penalty handed down or some player is suspended or. Whatever,
Speaker 10: look could we be, Frank we're all trying and nobody
Speaker 10: is going to be. PERFECT i believe THAT byu does
Speaker 10: their best to help athletes in this more disciplined culture
Speaker 10: stick to. It there will be slip, ups there will
Speaker 10: be mistakes and now it's become like a kay let's
Speaker 10: lift and. Love sometimes there are are consequences and, repercussions
Speaker 10: but what doesn't mean we love you any less and
Speaker 10: then we don't want you to get you, know back
Speaker 10: to whatever the full status, is it's it's about that.
Speaker 4: Phrase but that's what this is the.
Speaker 10: Emphasis this is the heart of that What Kilanie sataki talks,
Speaker 10: about which.
Speaker 4: Is there will be, mistakes but we.
Speaker 10: This where we stand and and help you get back
Speaker 10: and be a full part of this. Team so that's
Speaker 10: kind of just What i've noticed in the past few
Speaker 10: years is not try and this is a hurdle or
Speaker 10: a barrier or something to avoid or something that let's
Speaker 10: go all in and, say, hey what do you care most?
Speaker 10: About you out of, line be as you, know as
Speaker 10: dedicated as you possibly, can and this will help us
Speaker 10: actually grow stronger as an athletic, community a university and
Speaker 10: certainly galvanize our.
Speaker 1: Teams last, thing and Then i'll set you loose on this.
Speaker 1: SPENCER i wonder if you, can because you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: don't know what the process is as far as the,
Speaker 1: athletes you, know sitting down with the coaches the administrators
Speaker 1: to sign the honor. Code but my very strong, guests
Speaker 1: having five siblings that went TO byu and having parents
Speaker 1: that went TO byu, together there's no, ambiguity, CORRECT i
Speaker 1: mean there's there's it's very very clear what is expected
Speaker 1: of you when you sign THE houto. Code and decide
Speaker 1: to be a student athlete AT, byu, Correct like there's
Speaker 1: no ambiguity in that, process.
Speaker 10: No and that that they have done a great job
Speaker 10: of really doubling down on that.
Speaker 11: Lately like you, know you know what the rules, are
Speaker 11: you know what's expected of, you what is, allowed what
Speaker 11: is not. Allowed that has become crystal. Clear each athlete
Speaker 11: and student, should AND i believe are educated in such
Speaker 11: to sign after they have a full understanding of what
Speaker 11: they are actually committed to.
Speaker 1: Do all, right my, Man, well, look there's a lot
Speaker 1: of other things THAT i want to get you back
Speaker 1: on to talk. About but of, course the news of
Speaker 1: the day is the news of the, day and there's
Speaker 1: a alleged victim involved in this, situation so it feels
Speaker 1: a little silly to talk. Football but of Course jake
Speaker 1: is the starting quarterback at B, yu and that makes
Speaker 1: this thing a sports soccer radio. Topic you get your
Speaker 1: time and willingness to talk about, it. Buddy let's get
Speaker 1: you on soon when we can talk about things that
Speaker 1: are a little bit better than.
Speaker 2: This how about that you got a.
Speaker 10: SPENCE i appreciate all you guys, do and we'll talk again.
Speaker 1: Soon and congrats on three thousand. Episodes buddy appreciates your.
Speaker 10: Brother that means a.
Speaker 1: Lot here Is Spencer, lynton one of our, favorites works
Speaker 1: FOR BYU, tv host OF Byu Sports, nation joined us
Speaker 1: on a consistent. Basis, so if you're just hopping in
Speaker 1: your car getting your commute started, home some unfortunate news
Speaker 1: and there's no other way to put, that because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of things to consider, here including an
Speaker 1: alleged victim who has filed a civil lawsuit Against Jake
Speaker 1: Retz laugh and he has been accused of sexual. Assault the,
Speaker 1: incident according to the, filing was in twenty twenty, three
Speaker 1: right After jake transferred from a community college In california TO.
Speaker 1: Byu of, Course jake blew up last year as THE
Speaker 1: byu football program had an excellent, season and so we've
Speaker 1: been talking about that throughout the course of the show.
Speaker 1: Today it is not a criminal. Charge it is a
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit that was filed. Today, now she said she
Speaker 1: reported to. Police she said she went to the hospital
Speaker 1: and was. Examined and so we'll go over more of
Speaker 1: these details before we get out of. Here but this
Speaker 1: is a situation where only time we'll tell we'll read
Speaker 1: the statement From jake's lawyer coming up in just a little.
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Speaker 1: Assist Eastern Conference Finals game. One tonight's world's most famous,
Speaker 1: Arena Midtown, manhattan Four Penn, Plaza Nick, pacers which brings
Speaker 1: up a lot of lot of, emotion a lot of.
Speaker 2: Memories The west got going last.
Speaker 1: Night we'll bring a little lightness to what's other otherwise
Speaker 1: been a very heavy show with some of the local
Speaker 1: news around.
Speaker 2: Here dave mcmanhiman is our.
Speaker 1: Guest according to The Hoop, Collective dave is the slowest
Speaker 1: of THE nba riders to file his pieces at A
Speaker 1: espn dot Com, dave do you care to confirm or?
Speaker 2: Deny?
Speaker 8: WOW i just want to know who dropped that line on.
Speaker 8: Me it will depend on my.
Speaker 1: Answer it was McMahon and then and then cooperated by
Speaker 1: Win horse And, bontemps that you by far the slowest
Speaker 1: to file your.
Speaker 2: Pieces is that?
Speaker 8: TRUE i may just have more of an art and a.
Speaker 8: Craft you. Know they might be slipping burgers And i'm
Speaker 8: putting together a meal for my. Readers, okay that would
Speaker 8: be my response to. That so McMahon left by what
Speaker 8: seven or eight minutes prior to me, yesterday and he's
Speaker 8: taken a victory lap for. That, okay good for you.
Speaker 1: Too so the real question is in, general who is the?
Speaker 1: SLOWEST i, mean.
Speaker 8: It might be, true that might be true on the. Slowest,
Speaker 8: yeah you, KNOW i also THINK i have more of
Speaker 8: a vocabulary rolodex in my mind to flip through than they.
Speaker 8: Do SO i love.
Speaker 2: It where do? We where do we find? You on
Speaker 2: this Fine?
Speaker 8: Wednesday, Dave Oklahoma, city digesting what was a fun first
Speaker 8: half and a avalanche of a thunder wing in the
Speaker 8: second half and wondering what type of series we're going to.
Speaker 8: Get certainly The wolves were pretty confident group today at,
Speaker 8: practice but that's under. Team it's not like they played
Speaker 8: their best Either shay gillis you, know And Shay GILDS
Speaker 8: i was in it starts off in game two for.
Speaker 8: Thirteen they still win by twenty six, Points so we'll
Speaker 8: see how this series.
Speaker 1: Goes acknowledging THAT i do not live in the center Of,
Speaker 1: MILAN i will ask you what does one do on
Speaker 1: his day off In Oklahoma?
Speaker 8: City? Work and then actually McMahon AND i found a
Speaker 8: little pickup game with some of THE okc, writers so
Speaker 8: to play a little hoops and do a little slow
Speaker 8: writing After i'm done with you and THEN i watch
Speaker 8: the next.
Speaker 2: Game you don't sound to be too thrilled to be
Speaker 2: In Oklahoma? City AM i reading this? Correctly that's, Okay it's.
Speaker 8: Okay it's a it's a bit of a hike to get,
Speaker 8: to not a delta direct type of, city and so
Speaker 8: you know that makes it a little bit more, cumbersome
Speaker 8: but it is a great atmosphere for the, games And
Speaker 8: i'm here for the, games so, yeah, no no real complaints.
Speaker 2: There would you rather be an Okay see Or Salt?
Speaker 8: Lake, well it's like a direct and a lot, Closer
Speaker 8: So i'll go Salt lake all.
Speaker 1: Day outside of the Route, dave outside of just your your,
Speaker 1: flights it's not bad living around, here, man outside of
Speaker 1: just your delta.
Speaker 13: Mind you, KNOW i enjoy uh WHERE i. Stay you,
Speaker 13: know actually There's i've expanded my. Palette there's a few.
Speaker 13: Marriottes i'll stay in downtown Salt lake. Now AND i
Speaker 13: do enjoy.
Speaker 8: The walk to the arena and back and you know
Speaker 8: some of the Spots i've been to over the. Years
Speaker 8: SO i enjoy Salt lake in the. City no shade
Speaker 8: being thrown by me right.
Speaker 2: Now it's the best you can.
Speaker 1: DO i enjoy the walk to the freaking, arena he,
Speaker 1: says two blocks from my. Marria you know, what Challenge,
Speaker 1: dave next time you're. HERE i don't know when that will.
Speaker 1: Be hit me up And i'm going to show you the. City,
Speaker 1: okay there are plenty of things About Salt. Lake you
Speaker 1: need to experience, it clearly you, have and if your
Speaker 1: best part is the two block walk to the, ARENA
Speaker 1: i am.
Speaker 8: Down i'm absolutely downb for, that because, Yeah i'm trying
Speaker 8: to like think Of i've been the Red, iguana of,
Speaker 8: course which very you, know that was very Good mexican.
Speaker 8: MEAL i do do pfchangs a lot In Salt Lake,
Speaker 8: city Which i'm not Knocking, pfchangs But i'm sure there
Speaker 8: are some better non chain that you guys have to,
Speaker 8: Offer so, Yeah i'll pick you.
Speaker 1: Up did you just drop A Pf chang's on? Me
Speaker 1: what are you going To chili's before for? Lunch gosh
Speaker 1: day Mcminnimon Salt Lake city fan because he GETS Pf
Speaker 1: changs on us walk to The Delta. Center my, Goodness,
Speaker 1: dave all, right we can move. On so, look last
Speaker 1: night an example of something that we've all. Seen, DUDE
Speaker 1: i don't know that anybody left has that. Ceiling okase
Speaker 1: hits when they hit that. Ceiling, now we know that
Speaker 1: the first half wasn't, great but when they really turn
Speaker 1: it on, defensively their defense was good in the first
Speaker 1: half because it always, is and then all the attention
Speaker 1: was more on the shot making in the second. Half
Speaker 1: But minnesota is a capable offensive basketball team with varied.
Speaker 1: Pieces WHEN okc really dials in on defense And shay
Speaker 1: is doing The shay, thing their, Ceiling dave to, me
Speaker 1: is higher than anybody, left and, Honestly i'm not sure it's.
Speaker 2: Club let just give me your.
Speaker 8: THOUGHTS i agree with you on that. ASSESSMENT i think
Speaker 8: that the, team AND i shared it with you before
Speaker 8: THAT i thought had the highest thing was The, celtics
Speaker 8: but obviously they're out one and. Two before they go,
Speaker 8: out they got. Injured SO i gave that title along
Speaker 8: with you to Okay. See there was a video clip
Speaker 8: of a kind of a bird's eye angle of the
Speaker 8: action last night THAT i saw on some ok see,
Speaker 8: blog and it was Tracking Alex caruso fighting through screens
Speaker 8: and basically you can't run pick a roll when he's
Speaker 8: involved because he fights through and gets over every. Screen
Speaker 8: and so you have someone like that who is one
Speaker 8: of three or four wing defenders that they have like,
Speaker 8: that it makes it really hard to get any offense.
Speaker 8: Going and then beyond, that not just a perimeter, defense
Speaker 8: they have really disciplined interior. Defense Or An edwards was,
Speaker 8: saying every time he got through a pick a roll
Speaker 8: scenario out on the, perimeter he turned the corner and
Speaker 8: he was looking at three or four people in the.
Speaker 8: Paint he only had one shot attempt in the paint last.
Speaker 8: Night and beyond, that you, know this is WHERE i
Speaker 8: think there certainly is room for growth for The. Wolves
Speaker 8: they shot terribly five to fifteen from three hundred thirty
Speaker 8: percent on the shots that we track IN espn as
Speaker 8: quote wide open. Looks so you think that theoretically can
Speaker 8: come up a, bit, Right BUT i think you look
Speaker 8: at the other, side you, say, well Shat gillis At
Speaker 8: vander didn't really have all that good of a, game
Speaker 8: and Its Jalen, williams and it wasn't like it was
Speaker 8: a light time game From Chad holger. Either so it's,
Speaker 8: LIKE i don't, KNOW i think it could be pretty
Speaker 8: tough for The wolves to win. Here that doesn't MEAN
Speaker 8: i think it's could be a short series because, certainly you,
Speaker 8: know The wolves have a pretty darn good home court
Speaker 8: advantage Of Target center as.
Speaker 1: Well So i'm a little bit conflicted on the fouls
Speaker 1: off With shay BECAUSE i find it to be a
Speaker 1: bit of an art form when you're able to manipulate
Speaker 1: the game a little bit to draw fouls and get
Speaker 1: to the free throw, line especially in the postseason when
Speaker 1: free points like you, know like free throws and layups
Speaker 1: and dunks are at such a. Premium and he's developed
Speaker 1: this ability as a six' eight big body dude who
Speaker 1: has great handles and understands angles to really bait defenders into.
Speaker 1: Legitimate fouls, and yes there are the screenshots of nobody
Speaker 1: touching him and him going to, the LINE and i.
Speaker 1: Understand that but over, the, years man we can talk
Speaker 1: about the greatest of, All Time michael jordan becoming a
Speaker 1: bit of a foul. MERCHANT himself i know that's kind
Speaker 1: of a swear word. These days so, and look there are,
Speaker 1: moments where Like when harden kind of kind of was
Speaker 1: able to develop his swing, through stuff it felt like it.
Speaker 1: WAS cheating i hate It When donna mitchell throws his
Speaker 1: head back without being touched and gets. The call jokic
Speaker 1: had developed this thing where he hooks you under his
Speaker 1: armpit and. Then flails there are some things that are
Speaker 1: irritating and straight. Up Cheating so i'm not really Sure
Speaker 1: where i'm at With the. Shay stuff part of me respects,
Speaker 1: the endeavor then part of me wants the refs to
Speaker 1: call it in a way where, you know you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily reward guys that are trying to cheat. The game
Speaker 1: but what's your take on this Conversation surrounding shay after
Speaker 1: last night with fourteen?
Speaker 2: Free, throws well he.
Speaker 8: Had eleven, excuse me he had seven free throws in
Speaker 8: the first five minutes of the game and the thunder. Had,
Speaker 8: eleven well the wolveshead zero in the, first quarter and,
Speaker 8: you're like is? This really is that really a? Fair
Speaker 8: whistle He had it was fourteen for, the game which
Speaker 8: is not an, absurd amount but when he's struggling to
Speaker 8: find his shot off of real field goal attempts and
Speaker 8: seemingly is only able to find a rhythm by getting
Speaker 8: to the foul on, That consistently, YOU'RE like i don't
Speaker 8: know a cafe or is? This right, and obviously ever since,
Speaker 8: you know Anecdotally About All star break of last season
Speaker 8: of twenty three to, twenty four the refs started to
Speaker 8: swallow the whistle a, little bit seemingly in response to
Speaker 8: the league seeing the public apathy towards some of these
Speaker 8: inflated box, score numbers, you know where it's one thirty
Speaker 8: one forty at the end of the game because both
Speaker 8: teams are shooting forty to fifty, free throws and that's
Speaker 8: carried over and it seemingly become intensified in, the playoffs
Speaker 8: where it's kind of let these, guys play and so
Speaker 8: if the majority of the players on the court are
Speaker 8: being officiated, that way and then you have one guy
Speaker 8: who is just that good at selling it who isn't
Speaker 8: quite getting the. SAME whistle i think it stands out
Speaker 8: a little. BIT more i think he drew thirteen fouls.
Speaker 8: Last night one of them was reviewed and, taken away
Speaker 8: ends up. WITH twelve i think you probably say half
Speaker 8: of them absolutely, completely legitimate and that half a. Judgment
Speaker 8: CALLS and i, don't, know like if you're From the
Speaker 8: minnesota side, of things you want the judgment to go.
Speaker 8: Your way if you're with the okay see side, of things, you, Say,
Speaker 8: no certainly THAT'S the mvp of. The league he should
Speaker 8: be getting a. Good WHISTLE so i don't think it
Speaker 8: sullies his game to the point you can't enjoy. WATCHING him,
Speaker 8: i actually you know now seen a play about ten times,
Speaker 8: this year and he is really really good to get
Speaker 8: into his thoughts and really. Really skilled, you know that
Speaker 8: little snatch back orribble that he has with salon extended
Speaker 8: like that is one of the most insoftful moves INTO.
Speaker 8: His nba so you tip your. Cap there but, you
Speaker 8: know game flow is never as good as it is
Speaker 8: when there's less.
Speaker 1: Free throws speaking OF said mvp two, part question your
Speaker 1: THOUGHTS on sga receiving the award and do you have
Speaker 1: any insight as to why we were all waiting for
Speaker 1: weeks to get.
Speaker 8: THIS news i was disappointed in the league for not.
Speaker 8: ANNOUNCING it, i mean how many times have We, had
Speaker 8: well first, of all let's start. With this, THE league
Speaker 8: i think it was seventeen eighteen is when they started
Speaker 8: to revamp the, awards process and they starting then would announce, the,
Speaker 8: Finalists right so the only reason we knew that the
Speaker 8: Finalists included jokic and Hi. Yis alexander obviously logically we,
Speaker 8: knew that but the only way we knew it empirically
Speaker 8: was because the league announced it Back. In april so
Speaker 8: then if you're already giving the public the information and
Speaker 8: then the bracket works out so that you actually have
Speaker 8: two of the top three finalists playing one another in
Speaker 8: a playoff series with a trip To The western conference
Speaker 8: finals of, the line why would you not announce it?
Speaker 8: During THAT and i haven't heard an explanation. FOR it
Speaker 8: i think in our, sensitive society it was probably, you
Speaker 8: know some politicking from maybe both sides if their guy
Speaker 8: wasn't going to win it and how it could affect.
Speaker 8: The series, but frankly, YOU know i think it will
Speaker 8: be much more compelling to watch, that thing, you know
Speaker 8: the Night after shay gets the Award And nikola jukus
Speaker 8: has something to say about it in. The series that
Speaker 8: would have been great. To see so that's disappointing in
Speaker 8: Terms of shay. Winning it it was a tough vote,
Speaker 8: for ME but i did vote. FOR him i Think
Speaker 8: the cooliochus is a. BETTER player i also believe that
Speaker 8: sixty eight wins is. A rarity, i, mean obviously only
Speaker 8: seven teams have ever won sixty eight wins or more
Speaker 8: in the regular season IN the, nba history and that's
Speaker 8: proving your. Value THERE so i got to reward that.
Speaker 1: You referenced the Confidence of minnesota during, practice today and
Speaker 1: ACCORDING to i believe IT Was espn Stats and info
Speaker 1: eleven of thirty nine on. OPEN threes i will say
Speaker 1: a lot of those open threes were. Pushed BACK like
Speaker 1: i Do Think oklahoma city's defense just continues.
Speaker 2: To be really really difficult.
Speaker 1: To crack vote what sort of adjustments do you exc
Speaker 1: fact for them to try to make so they can
Speaker 1: attempt to go back home tied at one, to one.
Speaker 8: An interesting thing in, a moment And the edwards last
Speaker 8: night SAID that i need to play off the ball
Speaker 8: More and i'll be the guy getting those cuts and
Speaker 8: shoot opportunities because they're going to continue to pack. THE
Speaker 8: paint I asked finch about that today and he actually backed.
Speaker 8: It up, he, said well, you know we want to
Speaker 8: whether he has a ball in his hands or he's
Speaker 8: getting it from, a teammate we just want to create.
Speaker 8: More movement and so, you know whether that is a
Speaker 8: higher screen that they're setting to get him a chance
Speaker 8: to get downhill with the balls in, his hands or,
Speaker 8: quite frankly if you're already, conceding that we're not going
Speaker 8: to have drible pennantation to delay, in anyway this is
Speaker 8: the best three point shooter in the league this year
Speaker 8: in terms of three. Point volume, so, yeah like let's
Speaker 8: Just Have mike conley take a couple of pro dribbles
Speaker 8: and kick out the ant versus. The opposite, you Know
Speaker 8: Commonly tante DiVincenzo nas read all, These GUYS nikhil i was.
Speaker 8: Gonna walker none of them could make a shot. Last
Speaker 8: night so if, you, say hey what's the worst that
Speaker 8: could Happen if ant takes. FIFTEEN threes i think there's
Speaker 8: probably some. Wisdom THERE so i think that's one thing you're.
Speaker 8: Gonna See And rudy gobert was putting it, on himself
Speaker 8: like saying he couldn't remember the last time he had
Speaker 8: two thousand in the first two minutes and he, felt like,
Speaker 8: you know that compromised their defense a bit. AS well,
Speaker 8: i mean the paint scoring disparity was Egregious in game
Speaker 8: one and that was a strength obviously Of. The wolves,
Speaker 8: you know they Beat the warriors by just completely owning
Speaker 8: the paint in. That SERIES and i recognize as they
Speaker 8: hard seeing home run are a little bit different than,
Speaker 8: You Know cavon looney and you know the other big
Speaker 8: sit the words who tripped me. Out THERE but i
Speaker 8: do think that's something that they're gonna want to take,
Speaker 8: advantage of so, YOU KNOW i, i, think yeah look
Speaker 8: for a little bit more off ball Action from edwards and,
Speaker 8: You Know rudy gobert doing his job at establish.
Speaker 1: PAD triumple i know you're YOUNGER than, i am but not,
Speaker 1: by MUCH so i can ask you This Favorite nicks
Speaker 1: pacers Playoff moment, HISTORICALLY speaking.
Speaker 8: I eight points in. NINE seconds i think that comes to.
Speaker 8: MIND immediately.
Speaker 10: I.
Speaker 8: Probably, that honestly they're all kind of an amalgam. TO
Speaker 8: me i, couldn't, say well that was, ninety four and
Speaker 8: that was, ninety one and that was. Ninety FIVE but
Speaker 8: i think just the warm fifty a TONE memories i
Speaker 8: HAVE OF Nbn nbc sunday afternoon at, the garden a
Speaker 8: monorshad that sideline potential hatime report and A STORM, peter vessi,
Speaker 8: you know breaking down The Latest, antonio daniels you know
Speaker 8: practice report that. He has, you know those those battles,
Speaker 8: Were great so anywhere from, you know say ninety to,
Speaker 8: NINETY nine a lot of great memories of those two
Speaker 8: teams playing.
Speaker 1: One ANOTHER before i set. You loose do you have?
Speaker 1: A lian you know we were talking about. THIS earlier
Speaker 1: i listened to a bunch of, different pods including your
Speaker 1: guys run you down for no reason while you were,
Speaker 1: catching STRAYS and i watched a bunch of. DIFFERENT shows
Speaker 1: i really feel like this. IS split i don't know
Speaker 1: that there's a consensus like everyone's On the knicks Or.
Speaker 2: The pacers do you have? A lien as far as
Speaker 2: how you think this thing is going.
Speaker 8: To go.
Speaker 14: Part of me feels like this is like one of
Speaker 14: those things Where the pacers are completely getting overlooked because
Speaker 14: the story For the knicks and the history behind.
Speaker 8: That franchise is so strong and for, various reasons, you
Speaker 8: know not, just ratings BUT just i think you see
Speaker 8: all the Scene In new york after they clinched the,
Speaker 8: conference finals like that is, That's awesome like that's what.
Speaker 8: Sports is that makes it so compelling to see that
Speaker 8: continue to grow from a conference files to the files
Speaker 8: IS something i think a lot of us are. ROOTING
Speaker 8: for I think nixon SEVEN because i think my heart
Speaker 8: is kind of With the, knicks there but my head
Speaker 8: says That the pacers are not an.
Speaker 1: Easy out, All, Right david now you got to get
Speaker 1: going because you have to file a story in. Seven
Speaker 1: hours so we'll set you loose so you can slow
Speaker 1: play your piece and appreciate.
Speaker 2: The time man. Enjoy, okac yeah thanks to talk to.
Speaker 8: You soon, dave.
Speaker 1: Mcmannimum whose favorite Part Of Salt lake city Is getting
Speaker 1: panda expressed as he walks from his hotel To The.
Speaker 2: Delta center you didn't, Say panda what do? You say pf?
Speaker 2: Changs there. You go what's? The difference? Is there is there? A?
Speaker 2: Difference yeah but? IS there i mean literally they're.
Speaker 1: Different places but don't they Both serve chinese food in
Speaker 1: a very?
Speaker 2: Quick fashion THEY do PF change i think is a
Speaker 2: little more sit.
Speaker 1: DOWN right i, don't, know man but that's the one
Speaker 1: thing you can take from your time And, saw lake
Speaker 1: you and joy staying At the marriotte AND Grabbing pf
Speaker 1: chanin's on your walk From the marriotte To The.
Speaker 2: Delta, center yeah we Gotta get dave.
Speaker 3: Out now to, be clear maybe not, like nightlife maybe a.
Speaker 2: Little bit there's some night. Life here i'll let you
Speaker 2: give the. Nightlife tour I'll. Give dave.
Speaker 3: I'll take dave To the daughters Of The Utah. Pioneers
Speaker 3: museum don't. Do that why we're trying.
Speaker 1: To convince i'm Quite sure dave does not want to
Speaker 1: go To the Daughters. Of pine do respect To. The
Speaker 1: pioneers we are pro pioneers on. This show that's. OUR
Speaker 1: stance i don't Know that dave would enjoy spending an
Speaker 1: afternoon At the Daughters of pioneers museum Here In. Salt
Speaker 1: lake maybe we come up with. Different options, we'll see
Speaker 1: we'll see that can't be like He's In.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma city have you ever Been To? OKLAHOMA city.
Speaker 8: I.
Speaker 1: Have, not actually you don't need you don't need to,
Speaker 1: respect respectful respectfully to.
Speaker 2: That city.
Speaker 8: I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna, Go fine i'm gonna put it on. The, calendar,
Speaker 1: fine go and then you'll learned that we have a nice.
Speaker 3: City here, Oh, yeah no there's A reason i have,
Speaker 3: not left not to go back to. The PIONEERS but
Speaker 3: i do believe this is. The place look, at you look,
Speaker 3: at you.
Speaker 1: AND look i hate to be the guy that's on
Speaker 1: sports soccer Radio In salt lake that's bitching about people
Speaker 1: that don't love.
Speaker 2: Our city i've never really been.
Speaker 1: THAT guy i believe you're over twenty, years NOW and
Speaker 1: i get a little sick of. The NARRATIVE and i
Speaker 1: understand why for some people. It's complicated, and no we
Speaker 1: don't HAVE like i don't even Know a Vegas is
Speaker 1: tao a Nightclub. In vegas still it WAS when i
Speaker 1: went for a bachelor party in like nineteen.
Speaker 2: NINETY eight i.
Speaker 3: Think, so actually but, like, YOU like, I mean i
Speaker 3: could care less about that.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Aspect obviously dave mcminnimon has never Been To lake effect
Speaker 1: On a saturday night at ten thirty. Or cheers, shout
Speaker 1: out cheers juniors and by, the Way. Lake, effect yeah
Speaker 1: that's an example of why our nightlife isn't awesome.
Speaker 2: Since it's all of.
Speaker 3: The youths shout Out. To fiddler. It's, Back Sugarhouse, Fiddler's
Speaker 3: Great dennis ericson's. Favorite bar it, was gone now. IT'S
Speaker 3: back i know, the Owner so i'm giving him a guilt.
Speaker 3: Guilty shoutout we got at little. Wing action their wings.
Speaker 3: Are good fiddler's wings.
Speaker 1: ARE good i told you last NIGHT after i left,
Speaker 1: THE show i was ON a i should have set.
Speaker 1: You There, SHOULD yeah i mean it's a little out of,
Speaker 1: my WAY but i Lived in sugarhouse for. Twelve years
Speaker 1: then the hipsters, moved in and now it's way. Too
Speaker 1: CROWDED so i got out. Of there got to get
Speaker 1: out of. The escape the woke.
Speaker 2: Nine of the show.
Speaker 1: Is great then we get two woke but little, known
Speaker 1: Fact As dave fox, would say, fun fact even though
Speaker 1: None of dave's facts. Are Fun, Original FOX Original Rsl,
Speaker 1: Watch Parties. Fiddler's elbow, OH really I remember trey used
Speaker 1: to to make himself. Feel better trey would order, an
Speaker 1: entire an entire order of wings, for himself and then
Speaker 1: to make himself feel better that he wasn't just, doubting
Speaker 1: wings he would order a big cob salad drenched the
Speaker 1: cobs salad and ranch down in whiskey's wings.
Speaker 2: And cops and, He's like i'm eating.
Speaker 1: A salad, i'm like it's cob salad with cheese and
Speaker 1: ranch dressing that barely counts as.
Speaker 3: A salad just to, be clear cop salad and pounds
Speaker 3: of chicken wings is right down.
Speaker 2: My alley i'm with trailing.
Speaker 1: That, One well i'm just saying he would try to
Speaker 1: make himself feel better like he was being healthy and
Speaker 1: order a cob salad is like the side to his
Speaker 1: wings and then just drenched the cob salad and.
Speaker 2: Ranch dressing i'm. With it i'm. With it so shout.
Speaker 1: Out fiddlers, all right wrapping up the program For a,
Speaker 1: wednesday afternoon halfway through that, work week you are one
Speaker 1: day closer to.
Speaker 2: The weekends.
Speaker 1: Of course big news of the Day Today solid tribune
Speaker 1: REPORTING that Byu quarterback Jake rreetz lath has been accused
Speaker 1: of sexual assault in a new.
Speaker 2: Civil lawsuit jake has retained.
Speaker 1: Legal counsel we read to you earlier the statement from
Speaker 1: his attorney and then the Statement From Brigham. Young university
Speaker 1: they released that just about an. Hour ago so of
Speaker 1: course we'll. Follow this not sure what. It means it's just,
Speaker 1: IT sucks, i mean all the, way around there's an.
Speaker 1: Alleged victim and then of course we'll see how this,
Speaker 1: plays out and then we'll follow kind of. The fallout
Speaker 1: it's not REALLY anything i care to offer an, opinion
Speaker 1: On and i'm a little bit disappointed in some of
Speaker 1: the opinions that.
Speaker 2: Are flying around on.
Speaker 1: The internet you can always, not post you can always
Speaker 1: not take victory laps over things like this that are
Speaker 1: very very serious.
Speaker 2: In nature just my, two cents.
Speaker 1: All right We Got eastern conference finals IN, the nba
Speaker 1: We Have western conference Finals in, pro hockey a lot
Speaker 1: of college football topics randomly. As well on the program
Speaker 1: do you nervous Watch? The knicks have you always nervous watched?
Speaker 1: The next i'm kind of like, giddy excited but a
Speaker 1: little bit nervous.
Speaker 2: For tonight very.
Speaker 3: MUCH so i am a nervous sports fan when it
Speaker 3: comes to, you know usually it's it's very easy WATCHING
Speaker 3: because i, just. WATCH folks i just watch sports with
Speaker 3: like a, you know watching, for work watching.
Speaker 9: For.
Speaker 3: GREATNESS right i don't always dial in on the the.
Speaker 3: Fandom side, but man if if my team is good
Speaker 3: and there's, actual pressure there's actually urgency and it Is,
Speaker 3: the Nicks, the Mets the cowboys Or, the, HOKIES man
Speaker 3: i am a nervous nelly edge of my. SEAT right
Speaker 3: i can't seem to focus. At all if There's a
Speaker 3: nick like Tonight spends i'm getting absolutely.
Speaker 2: NOTHING done i.
Speaker 3: Will HAVE things i, HAVE planned i will have things,
Speaker 3: set aside AND then i will just, kind of, you
Speaker 3: know shake my knee and stay at my foot and
Speaker 3: pace across the living room and we'll see how it.
Speaker 2: Plays out but, Nervous, watching yeah that's. That's me are
Speaker 2: you gonna watch your?
Speaker 3: Live all are you gonna tip off before we.
Speaker 1: Get, home no we'll be able to get home. IN
Speaker 1: time i think it's a six. Thirty tip and by,
Speaker 1: The way i'll watch.
Speaker 8: It.
Speaker 1: Live then what they've been doing lately is actually tipping
Speaker 1: off like ten to fifteen minutes after the.
Speaker 2: Announced tip here's.
Speaker 1: THE thing i hate watching sports live because of the
Speaker 1: interruptions and. The commercials but when it comes to something,
Speaker 1: Like this i've got too many text threads. GOING on
Speaker 1: i got too many PEOPLE like i Feel like i've
Speaker 1: got to watch a live and just deal with, the
Speaker 1: COMMERCIALS which i.
Speaker 2: Hate doing that's.
Speaker 3: The Struggle, is usually like day to day throughout, the
Speaker 3: year you'll catch me. Watching sports it's usually. On delay
Speaker 3: it's usually, on record just because watching it live is
Speaker 3: kind of time consuming when you have to intake so
Speaker 3: much of it as. We do but when it's my
Speaker 3: team in a conference finals, or later or let's say
Speaker 3: a golf major On, a Sunday, super. Bowl, etc yeah
Speaker 3: That's something i'm gonna block off my time for.
Speaker 1: WATCH live i know we've talked, about it but tonight
Speaker 1: is what makes this. STUFF fun i got into a
Speaker 1: debate with a buddy of mine who.
Speaker 2: Is a he's a bit of, a hipster, you know,
Speaker 2: likes music he likes.
Speaker 1: Art like he's one of those guys that Has a
Speaker 1: christmas tree that's like small with like it looks like a.
Speaker 1: Dead tree it looks like something like Nightmare. Before christmas there.
Speaker 1: We go loves like my. Morning jacket, he's insufferable, little
Speaker 1: indie a, little bit a. Little bit, he's like why
Speaker 1: do you, Like sportsman, i'm like. It's fun life, Is
Speaker 1: hard like life. IS hard i want to sit down
Speaker 1: and watch the. Damn game and it's nights like tonight
Speaker 1: that make. It fun, AND man i just miss being,
Speaker 1: able to, you know kind of experience this through the
Speaker 1: prism of Watching, the jazz because When the jazz, ARE
Speaker 1: good i nervous Watch. The Jazz, Utah Football. New, york Yeah,
Speaker 1: the knicks, of Course. THE yankees i have so far
Speaker 1: surpassed any real like nervous watching Of the jets because
Speaker 1: they're such.
Speaker 2: A joke but.
Speaker 1: Twenty, five years twenty, five years, and you, young man don't,
Speaker 1: fully understand even As a, nick fan the gravitas and
Speaker 1: wait Of A nick.
Speaker 2: Pacers matchup.
Speaker 3: NOT REALLY i i do remember, the series and, YOU
Speaker 3: know i remember a little bit Of The, alan Houston
Speaker 3: The trail nicks and. Late, Nineties right i'm A Big patrick,
Speaker 3: Ewing fan but most of it WASN'T like i consumed.
Speaker 2: It, LIVE now i will say there was.
Speaker 3: More Of A PACER's knicks rivalry than maybe you, will
Speaker 3: remember or maybe folks Outside Of new York and indiana.
Speaker 3: Will remember going Back To Mellow, Paul George, Danny granger George,
Speaker 3: hill right those twenty ten to Twenty Fourteen knicks, pacers
Speaker 3: teams both regular season and in, the postseason had, some
Speaker 3: really really. Good matchups SO although i don't have the
Speaker 3: full knowledge Of The pacers knicks rivalry and the playoff
Speaker 3: series ninety nine, CONFERENCE finals I believe i very much
Speaker 3: do have a historical eye to it and a little
Speaker 3: little taste of, my own even as A millennial.
Speaker 2: Knicks fan will, you well we will see how it plays.
Speaker 1: Out Tonight the garden's gonna be, absolutely rocking should be a.
Speaker 1: Fun atmosphere we Also have stanley. Playoffs tonight you can
Speaker 1: hear that on. Our station if you're looking for the,
Speaker 1: basketball game head on over to the fan, all right
Speaker 1: we will say Good, night porter what comes?
Speaker 2: Our way On a thursday edition of the.
Speaker 3: Radio show On a thursday Edition Of, The drive spence
Speaker 3: speaking Of Those Knicks. Tony jones obviously he Covers, the Nuggets,
Speaker 3: the jazz COVERS the nba, at large but A big
Speaker 3: knicks fan as well of the athletic, Of course tony
Speaker 3: drops by each and. Every week we'll Talk With rafael
Speaker 3: BARLOW more nba draft Centric With, rafael Barlow but i'm
Speaker 3: sure he'll be glad to touch ON Some Nba conference
Speaker 3: finals action. As Well And andy larson will stop by
Speaker 3: the program On A Thursday jason chris to talk, Some
Speaker 3: Reale salt lake and some.
Speaker 2: Sports court we'll go. From there there. You go that'll
Speaker 2: be A busy.
Speaker 1: Thursday show we will, say goodnight and we will say
Speaker 1: a special thank you Today To, Josh Furlong, Chris Camaraddie,
Speaker 1: spencer Linton and dave mcmannimon for the sound you may
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