WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:03.560 All right, let's get a drivetime Wednesday afternoon, ten minutes 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:07.400 past the hour of two o'clock. Beautiful day outside beautiful 3 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:11.599 beautiful May Wednesday afternoon. It's about seventy degrees and crystal 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 clear here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, right outside 5 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.519 of our Broadway Media studios. And as it is every 6 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:20.039 single day, it's good to have you along for the 7 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:22.839 rides fence check. It's behind the Mike Porter Larson beyond 8 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:27.320 the glass today producing the program, booking the program as well. 9 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.519 We got a lot to do. We have a jam 10 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:34.320 packed Wednesday show. Good guest list on the program today 11 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.560 to tackle a bunch of different topics, a lot of 12 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:41.399 random college football news in the new cycle today, there's 13 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:45.119 a lot of pushback on the new proposed expanded sixteen 14 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.920 team CFP, which would give four auto bids to the 15 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.359 Big ten of the SEC, two auto bids to the 16 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:55.439 Big twelve, and the acc one auto bid to now 17 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:59.119 group of six programs shout out the newly rebranded PAC 18 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.920 twelve and then a couple of different at large bids. 19 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:04.560 But of course it would benefit. 20 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:08.239 You know, the Big ten in the SEC, which college 21 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:12.079 football typically benefits anyway, and the latest on the House 22 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:14.560 for NC Double A because there are pushback. 23 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:16.159 There's a lot of pushback about that. 24 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.200 There's a lot of pushback state by state passing legislation 25 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:25.879 that would actually counter what the House for NC Double 26 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:29.840 A would present. It is a messy situation that continues 27 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:31.640 to get mess here. We do have some breaking news 28 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:34.400 right off the top of the show today. Your MVP 29 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:36.840 in the world of Pro basketball is none other than 30 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:44.239 Jannis just kidding, shake Gilgus. Alexander Sga wins the MBA MVP. 31 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:46.000 A lot of people thought it might go once again 32 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.840 to Nacola Jokic. And if it would have gone to Jokic, 33 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.840 no problem, another historic season for the greatest player of 34 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:56.400 this generation, Nicola Jokic. But Sga wins the MVP in 35 00:01:56.439 --> 00:02:00.079 the world of pro basketball. Of course, Oklahoma City sixty 36 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.519 wins in the regular season. I think they're gonna win 37 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:04.959 the NBA Championship. We're gonna talk about what we saw 38 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.639 last night. We are gonna talk about what we hope 39 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.560 to see tonight or what we anticipate teaing tonight is 40 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.360 probably a better way of putting that. As the New 41 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.960 York Knicks welcome in the Indiana Pacers to the world's 42 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:21.719 most famous arena, one of the most audacious claims in 43 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.680 the world of pro sports, the mecca of basketball, Madison 44 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:28.240 Square Garden is where we find tonight's game. So we'll 45 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.639 preview tonight's game on the show today. We'll look back 46 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:34.159 on what we saw last night. One I, of course, 47 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.560 continues to be on the NBA Draft, which will come 48 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:39.159 our way June of the twenty fifth. We're gonna have 49 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.560 great draft coverage for you guys. It'll be myself, Gordy Chiesa, 50 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.199 Richard Smith, and we'll take you through the entire first round. 51 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.560 Round two follows Round one the next day. It's kind 52 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.039 of a new thing they've only been doing for a 53 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.879 few years. So the second round of the NBA Draft, 54 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:56.319 where the Jazz find themselves with a couple of different picks, 55 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:00.280 will actually take place during our afternoon drive show called 56 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.080 The Drive We spent check Its, which is what you're 57 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.360 listening to right now. Thank you for doing that, by 58 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.439 the way, and that is my name, I host the show. 59 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.400 With a lot to do on the program today, some 60 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.439 unfortunate news that we'll get to you right off the top. 61 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:14.960 According to the Salt Lake Tribune. 62 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.800 BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz Laugh has been accused of sexual 63 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.360 assault in a new civil lawsuit. A Salt Lake County 64 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.240 woman claims she was assaulted in twenty twenty three, so 65 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.840 a couple of years ago now, which her lawsuit says 66 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.800 she reported to the police. So we'll get into this 67 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.000 on the show. We do have a BYU guest today. 68 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.400 We have a couple of college football guests today. Actually, 69 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.280 we'll do a lot of college football on the show today. 70 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.199 Grown men arguing about pushing other men's in the tush 71 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:47.360 NFL football, It's fantastic. We talked about it yesterday. What 72 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:50.919 a dumb, dumb topic. This just shows the thirst for 73 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:56.719 football in our country that we're so obsessed about a 74 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.840 quarterback sneak that will remain. By the way, they needed 75 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:06.879 to twenty four votes to ban the tush push. Sometimes 76 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:08.719 football is so weird, dude, I'm sorry, it just is. 77 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.360 But the tush push remains. Big grown men being able 78 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:15.120 to shove other grown men in the tush is still 79 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:16.279 part of NFL football. 80 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:16.839 So there you go. 81 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.439 Josh for Along will be our first guest. Right out 82 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:21.120 of the gates. He covers the University of Utah for 83 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:24.279 our friends at KSSEL. You're gonna bring in Christopher Cameronnie 84 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:27.439 who is live in midtown Manhattan. 85 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.040 Not for the Nick game, but for some athletic meetings. 86 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.040 We'll bring in Ck today, Spencer Lytton, our friend from 87 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.639 BYU TV. I will ask Spencer Lytton about the solid 88 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.800 A Tribune report. He is a Brigham Young employee. So 89 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.560 my guess is we will pivot quickly from that, and 90 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.160 then we'll do some college football and some hoops with 91 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.639 Spencer Lytton today, and then Dave mcminnimon stops by to 92 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:52.519 recap okc's title wave in the second half last night 93 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.519 dispatching of the Minnesota Timberwolves, and we'll talk Nick Celtics, 94 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:58.720 we'll talk NBA Draft, and we'll talk about the breaking 95 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.399 news that just came down too long ago. Shake yelgis 96 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.560 Alexander is your MVP. No surprise there. In my opinion, 97 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.439 I do not have a vote. If I did, I 98 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:10.720 would have voted for SGA. All due respect to Nicola Jokich. 99 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.759 So there you go, Josh Furlong, Chris Camaraddie, Spencer Linton, 100 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.079 Dave McManamon, me, Spence check. Its all of you the 101 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:21.199 great listeners on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon, and that guy 102 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.680 Porter Larsen who is just beyond excited that pro football 103 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.879 continues to feature grown men pushing other grown men in 104 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:29.279 the tush. 105 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.720 Yes, I thought you were actually going to say that 106 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.680 I was excited for Eastern Conference Finals Game one, and 107 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:39.000 I was going to correct you that I'm more excited 108 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.199 about what I thought was going to be an overturned 109 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.439 rule in the NFL. Today, Spence was a win for 110 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:51.639 football and an l for like the pretty large faction 111 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:55.959 of what I think sports fans, sports media, sports business 112 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.000 aligned to people who are moving in the direction of 113 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:01.839 just wanting to a product for TV and just wanting 114 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.600 to create something that you know is as seamless and 115 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.160 well packaged as possible. I just want football, man, Stop 116 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:14.040 changing football, Stop changing basketball, stop changing baseball. I'll sit 117 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.879 on my porch all day long, Spence. As long as 118 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:21.399 it's like money and gambling and TV that are changing 119 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.360 instead of like some pure reasons for changing rules and whatnot. 120 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:25.720 I'm out. 121 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:26.079 I'm out. 122 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:26.560 I'm out. 123 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.879 Sorry, fair enough, seth Wickers. You know what we'll get 124 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.680 to opening tip. We have a couple of things to 125 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.439 get to with opening tips. Seth Wickerstram has some details 126 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.040 from this. He did exchange that took place today during 127 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:43.079 what's called a general session of NFL owners and team 128 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.839 in League executive Jeffrey Laurier apparently gave an hour long 129 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.279 speech and use some nomenclature that I don't know. 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We've got a little 175 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:38.600 Nick Pacers tonight. All right, real quick, The tush push 176 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.679 debate is so dumb. This entire thing is beyond stupid. 177 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.679 It is dominated headlines. You people love football so much 178 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.559 that you know ESPN and Fox and everybody else can 179 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.679 throw out links and you guys click on it to 180 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:58.120 understand the debate that's occurred over what is a quarterback sneak? So, 181 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.840 according to Seth Wickerstrand, tempers flared today as the Eagles 182 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:06.759 defended the tush push in a general session of NFL 183 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:10.679 owners and league executives. Jeffrey Lowry made what's called an 184 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:14.600 impassioned speech in defense of the play. Towards the end 185 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:16.960 of the speech, according to Seth Wickerstram, that lasted close 186 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.120 to an hour, Lowry made an off the cuff analogy. 187 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.360 He told the room that regardless of whether the play 188 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:25.039 was banned, it was quote a win win for the Eagles, 189 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.559 adding that it was like a wet dream for a 190 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.080 teenage boy to create a play that was so successful 191 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.039 that the only way for it to be stopped was 192 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.840 it to be banned. What exactly are we doing with 193 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:43.840 these analogies? I mean, this is beyond strange. Bottom line 194 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:44.080 is this? 195 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:45.960 You know? 196 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.879 Jed Yorke apparently wanted. Jeffrey Laurie said, how much more 197 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.399 bleep do we need to hear from you? Jerry Jones 198 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:57.039 gave an impassioned speech. Terry Pagula, the owner of the Bills, 199 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.639 a critic of the tush push. Also, we'll push back 200 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.399 on the entire thing. Bottom line is the tush push remains. 201 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.039 Grown men will be able to push other grown men 202 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.360 in the tush in the NFL this year, So we 203 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.360 can put that to bed. Thank goodness, all right, Moving 204 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.279 over to what really is just an unfortunate situation. This 205 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.200 broke about forty five minutes ago, according to the Salt 206 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.879 Lake Tribune BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz. Laugh is accused of 207 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:27.159 sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit, and a Salt 208 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.960 Lake County woman says she was assaulted in twenty twenty three, 209 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.080 which your lawsuit says she reported to the police. So 210 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.039 this is according to the Salt Lake Tribune. If you're 211 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:39.120 looking for the entire kind of depth and breadth of 212 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.159 the situation, go to sl triu dot com. 213 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:42.360 So we'll just go. 214 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.240 Over some of the some of the pieces that the 215 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.919 trip has in their piece that they have up today, 216 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:51.000 and then we just kind of have to wait and 217 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:54.799 see what BYU decides to do. Jake deserves due process 218 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.600 like everybody else in our country. It's one of the 219 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.679 great things about living in America. Most people, all people 220 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.360 should good, most people do get due process. 221 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:03.600 We'll kind of leave that aside today. 222 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.080 But assault Lake County woman has accused Jake rhet's Laugh 223 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.440 of sexually assaulting her at his home, according to a 224 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.279 civil lawsuit filed today, and it said that she also 225 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.200 reported the incident to the police when it happened. So 226 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.080 let's be clear, Jake has not been charged with anything criminally. 227 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:20.360 This is a civil lawsuit. 228 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.840 The woman, identified in a third District court filing as 229 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.840 Jane doe Ag, alleges in the lawsuit the ret's Laugh 230 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.559 assaulted her in November of twenty twenty three, so not 231 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:34.440 last year. Year before last, after they had connected on 232 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.120 social media and beg and began messaging about a month earlier. 233 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.399 She issuing Rahet's Laugh in civil court for alleged battery, assault, 234 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.320 an intentional infliction of emotional distress, and is asking for 235 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:49.159 punitive damages from him. Jake has not been criminally charged 236 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.919 as of today. As I referenced, this young lady said 237 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.159 in her lawsuit that she was connected with police after 238 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:56.639 she had a rape kit exammed on at a hospital 239 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.440 after the alleged assault, but initially withheld Rehet's Laugh name. 240 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:04.440 The woman did eventually tell Provo police that it was Jake, 241 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:08.000 the lawsuit states, after an officer asked her who he 242 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:12.320 was because quote someone else filed a similar complaint against 243 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:14.240 a football player and the police wanted to see if 244 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.240 it was the same person. The lawsuit says, the officer 245 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:19.840 that encouraged her not to do anything, saying quote sexual 246 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:23.440 assault victims never get justice. Jake and his family of 247 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.720 declined comment when contacted by the Salt Lake Tribune BYU, 248 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:30.279 and the Provo Police did not respond to multiple requests 249 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.759 for comment today. According to the lawsuit, this young lady 250 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.399 and a friend had gone to Jake's home on November 251 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:39.600 twenty second, twenty twenty three to hang out, and the 252 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.080 women stayed at the home. After her friend left, she 253 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.240 said she started to watch a movie with Jake in 254 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.080 his room. They began kissing, but she asserted in her 255 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:49.159 lawsuit that she did not want to do anything more. 256 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.879 Jake continued to quote escalate the situation. The lawsuit alleges 257 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.120 when he tried touching her sexually and told her to 258 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:56.200 give him oral sex. 259 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.720 Sorry if the kids are in the car. Quote. 260 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:02.559 As the situation continued escalate, the lawsuit reads, Jane Doe 261 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.240 ag reacted in a way that made Reetz laugh. Angry, 262 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:08.440 he started to shout at her. She reached for her 263 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.399 phone to call somebody, but her phone was dead. According 264 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.799 to this filing, she was scared started to panic, she 265 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.639 said in her lawsuit. She just lay down on his 266 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.000 bed waiting for her phone to charge so she call 267 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.799 her friend. She alleges Jake fell asleep, but soon woke 268 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.120 up again and began forcially kissing her and touching her. 269 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:27.559 The woman said she told Jake to stop, and he 270 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.639 said no, he was grabbing a condom, but alleges in 271 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.000 the lawsuit that he did not stop and that sex 272 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.720 with her anyway she says she went to the hospital 273 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.320 had a rape kid examination completed. She said she reported 274 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.919 a provo police, but the lawsuit said initially did not 275 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.279 tell the officer whom she was accusing of the assault. 276 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.799 Hearing that detectives would question him and share that she 277 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:50.039 had reported him, she was scared and in shock and 278 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.840 not ready to confront him, according to the lawsuit. So 279 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.960 Jake transferred from Riverside City College in California to BYU 280 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.960 in twenty twenty three, and of course rose to Nash 281 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.000 prominence last year. So Jake must have been on campus 282 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.000 not very long when this incident took place. 283 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:07.080 So we'll see. 284 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.639 Of course, I'm trying to talk about football when there's 285 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:11.600 something as serious as an alleged sexual assault. 286 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:12.759 That's kind of an awkward thing. 287 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.039 And BYU and the powers that be, the governing bodies 288 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.360 at Brigham Young have shown in the past that these 289 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.360 are things they take very seriously and certainly over you know, 290 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.159 any perceived success on the football or the basketball field. 291 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.120 It's always a tricky thing to try to draw an 292 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.200 analogy with some of the stuff that comes off as 293 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:36.480 pretty obtuse, and I'm not trying to do that. I 294 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.720 will bring up the Brandon Davies situation. Brandon was never sued, 295 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.039 he was never charged with a crime. It was an 296 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:46.559 honor code violation. This certainly violates BYU's honor code according 297 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:49.720 to what's been alleged. Now i'll repeat all days as 298 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:52.840 we unpack this, that Jake deserves to process and has 299 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:53.720 not been charged. 300 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:54.039 With a crime. 301 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.879 That team that Brandon was playing on, featuring Jimmerfurdett, had 302 00:14:57.919 --> 00:14:59.879 a chance to go to the Final four and maybe beyond, 303 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.120 and BYU didn't blink. They suspended him for the entire 304 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.600 NCAA tournament. Jimmer was so good that they want a 305 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:07.200 couple of games. 306 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:07.799 But that was that. 307 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:11.559 And we could go over several other examples of BYU 308 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.600 just simply having no tolerance for this stuff. And so 309 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.399 now we wait. Now we wait for jakes due process. 310 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:20.440 Now we wait to hear from BYU. Now we wait 311 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.720 to hear from the parties involved, and we kind of 312 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.559 see how this plays out. But according to the Salt 313 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.679 Lake Tribune, if you're just joining the show, this news 314 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.720 broke about forty five minutes ago. BYU quarterback Jake rehtz 315 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.399 Laugh has been accused of sexual assault in a new 316 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.279 civil lawsuit and a Salad County woman said she was 317 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.639 assaulted in twenty twenty three, which your lawsuit says she 318 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:40.840 reported to the police. 319 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:41.600 So now we wait. 320 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:45.360 All right, coming up on the other side, more college football, 321 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:49.200 less of this, but more college football. Josh Furlong from KSL. 322 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:52.679 We'll bat lead off on a Wednesday afternoon. All right, 323 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.559 show rolling along today. Always fun to welcome in. My 324 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.399 next guest, my friend Melissa from Sound Sleep Medical. Melissa, 325 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.120 how are you doing? Great siate your time today? 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No, he's not not 367 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.480 there for the next Spacers game. He's there for the 368 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:58.000 athletic headquarter meetings. A lot of college football in the 369 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:01.079 show Today. Spencer linton yut rolls by. We're going to 370 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.000 do some NBA with Dave mcminnimon in preparation for tonight's 371 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:09.119 Eastern Conference Finals. Look back on Oka see dismantling Minnesota 372 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.880 in the second half last night. But batting lead off 373 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.240 on a Wednesday, Josh Furlong covers the University of Utah 374 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:17.480 for KSL Josh, Happy Wednesday, Man, how are we doing? 375 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:20.680 I'm doing well as the leadoff hitter. I don't know 376 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:25.279 if I'm very adequately prep No, Skins, just need you. 377 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.680 To drop a bun get over the first that's all, Josh. 378 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:29.599 I know you got some speed left in those legs, 379 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:32.160 and we do have to start with an uncomfortable story 380 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:33.880 and you know, I don't know if you want to 381 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.279 add any color or context to this entire situation because 382 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.240 it's just coming out. But the Solid Lake Tribune is 383 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:43.000 reporting that BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz Laugh has been accused 384 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:45.720 of sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit. 385 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.359 He has not been criminally charged. 386 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.000 Jake deserves to process like everybody else, So we'll kind 387 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.200 of see how this plays out. But of course this 388 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:54.920 is a bit of a bombshell and bring him young. 389 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.200 In the past has shown they have no tolerance for this, 390 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:00.480 and I wouldn't be stunned if we hear some sort 391 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.920 of action from the institution as the kind of process 392 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.839 plays out. Josh, But what's your reaction to a story 393 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:10.359 that could have some serious ramifications moving forward and obviously 394 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:12.319 an unfortunate situation all the way around. 395 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.920 Yeah, this is pretty unfortunate all the way around, right, Like, 396 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:18.920 you know, it doesn't matter who you are, Like, if 397 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.039 these things are true, they need to be taken care of. 398 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:22.279 Right. 399 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.880 The unfortunate thing here is it's a civil suit, and 400 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.559 civil suits aren't always the easiest to kind of understand 401 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.799 in the sense that you know, no criminal charges have 402 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:34.759 been filed right now, that's not to say that this 403 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:36.920 isn't true or that there isn't anything there, but I 404 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.559 think there's a really complicated situation here where it gets 405 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.039 much more messy where civil suits anybody can kind of 406 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.359 put anything in there. With that being said, I generally 407 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:49.000 believe women, right like I think we should believe women more, 408 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:51.880 and it's unfortunate that many don't and they say, oh, 409 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.519 it's just for extortion or you know, you're trying to 410 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.519 get something out of this guy. The reality is this happened, 411 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:01.440 the alleged event happened before he was even the starting quarterback. 412 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:05.720 So to me, this feels like this has been a 413 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:07.880 couple of years kind of rising, and it's been trying 414 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.079 to get it out there, and we still don't know 415 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.880 the probo police, you know, kind of what they're what 416 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.799 their role in this is. Did they investigate, did they 417 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.680 look into this as an entity. I'm trying to get 418 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:21.079 my reporters to get more in that information so that 419 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.359 we understand that. But it's it's a challenge, right, I mean, 420 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:28.880 this is one of those things where unfortunately people go 421 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.200 too far. People try to get in situations that they 422 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:34.240 shouldn't and it doesn't matter your status or your influence 423 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.279 or anything that way, like you should be held accountable 424 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:38.920 to that. So if this is true, you know, by 425 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.559 us in a very sticky situation where they now have 426 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.519 to maybe potentially change their starting quarterback. You know this, 427 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:49.759 Regardless of whether this is true or not, this becomes 428 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.119 an off the field issue that BYU doesn't want a 429 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.599 distraction for it, right, and you know that's really going 430 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.480 to hamper kind of how this season is viewed. Now. 431 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.759 With that said, football becomes secondary, right, I want to 432 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.839 make that player football is secondary. The allegations. You know, 433 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.319 if they're true, they need to be investigated seriously and 434 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.640 if they aren't serious, which you know, it's unfortunate that 435 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:14.960 would be the case, you know, be when you needs 436 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:16.480 to try to get this behind them as best as 437 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.200 they can without it being a distraction. So tough situation 438 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:23.359 for the Cougars. You know, it's it's not a position 439 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:25.720 that anybody wants to be in. Every school has some 440 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:27.720 sort of legal issues with players from time to time, 441 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.720 So this isn't, you know, indicative of one school. It's 442 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.160 just unfortunate kind of the situation that we present ourselves 443 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.079 with sometimes in needs lives where where you know, kids 444 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.200 are trying to figure themselves out and sometimes they cross 445 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:39.680 the line. 446 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.480 All right, So we've all been waiting with baited breath, 447 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.519 quite frankly, for the House first NCAA settlement just to 448 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.440 kind of be completed so we can understand maybe a 449 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.519 little bit more about the landscape of what college football specifically, 450 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:57.400 but college athletics overall will look like. And it continues 451 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.680 to run into snag after snag after there was a 452 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:06.440 roster limit discussion, and now there's another portion of the 453 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.000 pushback has to do with power conferences trying to exude 454 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:15.039 their control state by state, having legislation passed by lawmakers. 455 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:17.640 Some of it is kind of josh like behind the scenes, 456 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.519 but Ross, Dellinger and others have been able to uncover 457 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:25.279 some of these pieces of legislation that specific schools and 458 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:28.519 specific states are passing through their state legislators and kind 459 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.480 of ignoring what it could mean for the ramifications of 460 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.240 the House settlement, and they want to basically control athlete 461 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:38.880 compensation and take away any sort of control from the 462 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.480 NC DOUBLEA. Now, after a bit, I'm conflicted here because 463 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.319 I don't think the NC DOUBLEA has shown that they're 464 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.759 capable of governing college football or college athletics otherwise. And 465 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:54.079 I don't necessarily hate the potential of either individual schools 466 00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:57.440 or conferences or one governing body, which seems to be 467 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:01.160 the momentum here kind of taking away decision making and 468 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.160 also punitive control from the NC double A. But the 469 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.680 other thing this does is muddy the waters even more. 470 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:08.759 And now we kind of sit and wait, what this 471 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:10.880 What you know as far as what this could mean 472 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:13.759 for the timeline of this settlement of the house versus 473 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:16.079 NC double A. How you how have you digested the 474 00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:17.880 news over the past seventy two hours. 475 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.799 Yeah, it's been it's been crazy. I feel like once 476 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:22.720 we kind of start getting a handle of it, something 477 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:28.000 completely changes, and it's it's different, you know. I think 478 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:31.839 there is a consensus here in the sense that every school, 479 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.039 whether you be in power forward group of five, they 480 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.480 want to abide by some sort of rules. Right, every 481 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:38.119 school is going to try to skirt the rules to 482 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:40.000 some extent and try to push the limits and try 483 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.440 to find the loopholes. But at the same time, it's 484 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:46.880 becoming such of the wild wild West that a lot 485 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.000 of these schools are starting to realize, Look, we can't. 486 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.119 We can't compete in this nature. Right, Yes, Ohio State 487 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:55.400 or Texas or some of these schools can can potentially 488 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.880 pay their way to get a bunch of players. But 489 00:23:57.920 --> 00:23:59.960 at the end of the day, this isn't this is 490 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.000 conducive to a growing sport. 491 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:02.240 Right. 492 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.559 If anything is going to handicap the sport, it's going 493 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:06.559 to make it much more difficult for anybody to be 494 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.400 engaged into it. And so I think people are well 495 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.680 intentioned in trying to find solutions. Right at the end 496 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:14.680 of the day, the NCAA is better to do the 497 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:17.079 bidding of the university of presidents. That's what it is. 498 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.960 This is a group. This isn't some binding contract necessarily. 499 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.799 It's more just there the collective agreement between all of 500 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:27.359 these universities. And so however they get to that, whether 501 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.880 that means these athletes are going to be employees someday, 502 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.119 whether it's the sports you know, college Sports Commission that 503 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.279 Ross Ellinger is reporting about this agreement that is going 504 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:41.000 to force schools into basically this contract that keeps them 505 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.920 from suing and going into arbitration or else leaving their conference. 506 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:47.839 I mean, I don't know if it'll go about extreme 507 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.759 but I think people are getting serious with it, right. 508 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.200 I think people really want some sort of framework that's 509 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.319 going to work well, still having some flexibility in it 510 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:58.279 so that players can get paid, schools can still have 511 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.240 their benefits, you know, the SEC Big Ten. They still 512 00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.039 feel like that they can compete at a higher level 513 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:05.880 than anybody else. But it's just a mess, honestly, And 514 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:07.279 at the end of the day, the only one that's 515 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.200 really winning at this point at lawyers, and they're getting 516 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:13.000 all the money. So uh, it's it's a tough situation, 517 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:14.680 but you've got a gonna be on your toes to 518 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.079 stay in college sports at this point. And you know 519 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.920 that that deadline of July first is closing soon. But 520 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.079 I think they're going to get to at least the settlement. 521 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.160 What happens after that, that remains to be seen. 522 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:28.480 Do you think there are any ancillary benefits to removing 523 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:31.400 power completely from the NC double A and putting that 524 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:35.000 power in the hands strictly of the power conferences and 525 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.680 this proposed new committee that is being formed. Do you 526 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:39.759 think there are actually ancillary benefits to that? 527 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.920 I mean, I think there can if there's unification, right, 528 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:49.440 I think there's just so much disjointedness inside the NCAA, 529 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:53.079 where you know they themselves have to recognize, okay, we're 530 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:55.960 too deared right there. There may be the FBIS system 531 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.319 and you may have the power for and then the 532 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:00.240 group of five or group of six, however we want 533 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.720 to classify that now. But I think they need to 534 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:04.599 structure this in a way to say, Okay, this is 535 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:06.960 what we need to do to benefit this group. This 536 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.839 is what we need to do to benefit this group. 537 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:10.640 And at the end of the day, I don't know 538 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.160 that anybody that has a vested interest in it is 539 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.799 going to do the right thing. Right. There's always going 540 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.960 to be something that another party wants to be involved 541 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.240 with it. To be honest, I think the best approach 542 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.240 should be with the professional leagues. It should be the NFL. 543 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.799 It should be the NBA dictating some of this to say, 544 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.240 if this is truly going to be in a feeder 545 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.680 program for our leagues, we need to have more consistency 546 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.359 and start putting some of their collective bargaining agreement type 547 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.519 stuff into it. They need to start putting up a 548 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.680 framework that works. If this is the direction that college 549 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.079 wants to go or else, it's still going to cause 550 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.440 some problems. So until you know there is a college 551 00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.160 commissioner or there is somebody that's maybe kind of a 552 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.359 person that's removed from the individual schools, I don't know 553 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.720 that there's really anything that's going to solve this. You 554 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.799 can go into as many contracts as you want, but 555 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.200 as we've seen, lawsuits will break up anything and that 556 00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.799 becomes a challenge. And until they can figure out something 557 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.000 that way, I just don't see anything changing that's going 558 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.440 to benefit everybody. At the same time, the. 559 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.279 Other piece of news that is of interest I would 560 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:16.519 imagine to our college football fans here locally is the 561 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:22.240 proposed new expanded sixteen team CFP, which is clearly being 562 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.920 pushed by the Big ten in the SEC, is receiving 563 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.759 a tremendous amount of pushback from the Big twelve, the 564 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.200 ACC and. 565 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.400 Essentially everybody who's not at their lunch table. 566 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:35.039 So just to bottom line, it will make it as 567 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.240 simple as possible the proposal. It was a twelve team 568 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.200 expansion last year CFP. The proposal is for twenty twenty six, 569 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:46.240 I believe, expanding it to sixteen teams. Four auto bids 570 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.279 for the SEC, four auto bids for the Big ten, 571 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.640 two auto bids for the Big twelve, two auto bids 572 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.720 for the ACC, one auto bid for what's now the 573 00:27:55.759 --> 00:28:00.240 new group of six shout out Pack twelve, and I 574 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:05.000 think three at large bids or something like that. So essentially, 575 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.240 you know, half of the sixteen team bids automatically go 576 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:09.599 to both the. 577 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:10.640 Big ten and the SEC. 578 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.359 Now, this is a two tiered application of a conversation 579 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.240 because nobody can debate that the best football is not 580 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.079 played in the Big ten and the SEC more often 581 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.839 than not. But this is receiving a tremendous pushback from 582 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.279 people that don't want to seed all this power and 583 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.559 control and autonomy to those two conferences. 584 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.200 So what are your thoughts? Do you like the sixteen 585 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:32.240 team expansion? 586 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:35.400 You do you think that because the best football is 587 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.799 played in the Big ten and the SEC consistently, they 588 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:38.960 deserve more auto bids. 589 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:40.000 How do you see this play out? 590 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.160 Yeah, that's a that's a tough one, right, Like you said, 591 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.319 like it's clear that the Big ten and the SEC 592 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.079 are going to be the top dogs and buying large 593 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.200 the probably going to get that many teams in regardless. 594 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.920 I think you're you know, the hard part here is 595 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.039 is you've got, you know, them trying to say, hey, 596 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.480 we're we're giving you guys some act to it. We 597 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.759 could just take it on and run because they're in charge. Honestly, 598 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.480 the Big ten and the SEC are in charge of 599 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.960 this this structure, and so they could do that. They 600 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.680 could say, hey, we're only going to give you one 601 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.240 and so it's kind of this breadcrumb to say, hey, 602 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.039 we're giving you some instead of one, we're giving you 603 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.920 access to two. And at the same time, there's part 604 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.599 of me that says, I think the ACC and Big 605 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.960 twelve should take it because then at least they're guarantee 606 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.119 two spots. But on the other hand, that becomes a 607 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.400 really flippery slope for what these teams can be because 608 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.680 what if they have a team that's higher than one 609 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:31.920 of these SEC teams, but they get in because they 610 00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.319 get an auto bid. It becomes a challenge, right, and 611 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.960 I don't know that there's an easy way around this. 612 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.920 The problem is is that the rest of these leagues 613 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.519 acquiesced this power to the Big ten and the SEC 614 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:44.759 because they were afraid that they were going to just 615 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.200 kind of run away. In some ways, they should have 616 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:48.880 just called them on their bluff. Is the SEC and 617 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:50.759 the Big ten really going to pull away? Imagine the 618 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:54.279 lawsuits then at that point. But unfortunately that's where they're at. 619 00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:57.119 And so to me, right now, this is them kind 620 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.880 of saying, here's the proposed plan, and then if they 621 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.200 can't come to an agreement, suddenly, now the Big ten 622 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.759 and the SEC says, look, we tried. Now we're going 623 00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:07.640 to do it our way and do whatever they want. 624 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.480 So there's no winning situation here. I personally think it's 625 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:14.799 probably a fine structure, by and large most of the 626 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.920 time that's going to be an okay model. I just 627 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.000 don't love auto bids because that's you know, there should 628 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:23.519 be I don't want to call it a straight rank, 629 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.720 but you should have some sort of consistency that way, 630 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.279 where the top sixteen ish teams with some metrics in 631 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.440 there kind of help because there's going to be a 632 00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.279 team in there that gets left out that they didn't 633 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.160 get in just simply because they weren't an auto bids. 634 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.880 So it sucks. But also that's the nature of the sport. 635 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.599 You're going to start seeing more Big ten SEC teams 636 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.519 in there anyway, So maybe it's just the easiest way 637 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:45.759 just guarantee at least the Big twelve and the acc 638 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.079 have a pass into the playoffs. 639 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.000 All right, moving on, because it feels like we're in 640 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.559 class and I'm making you answer questions and do homework 641 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.559 assignments as making everybody's head hurt. 642 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.920 So let's let's have some fun. Seven point five. 643 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.079 That's the over under Vegas has said for the University 644 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.400 of Utah coming up this season. Does that feel right? 645 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.319 Does that feel high? Does that feel low? What are 646 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:06.799 your thoughts? 647 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.000 I personally think it's accurate, but I think it's pretty 648 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.240 easy that you can go over. And the reason I 649 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:19.000 say that is Utah was closer than many expected last year. 650 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:23.160 Despite the terrible situations on offense. They kept the games close. 651 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:25.480 The defense held team still. I think it was like 652 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:27.400 twenty point seven points. I don't have it right in 653 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:31.119 there with me, but it was enough where if this 654 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.519 offense could score three touchdowns, you know they win games. 655 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.759 So I have to believe that this year's offense is 656 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.000 better than that. I have to believe that this year's 657 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.000 defense is going to be at least somewhere on par 658 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.079 with that. Maybe not quite that low, but at least 659 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:48.519 close that That gives me belief that Utah can get there. Now, 660 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.039 you know they've got a good schedule in the sense 661 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.000 that it lays up well. 662 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:53.480 At home. 663 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.119 You've got some of your more difficult games like Texas 664 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.279 Tech at home. You've got Kansas State at home, some 665 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.319 of the Arizona States even at home, and so you've 666 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.720 got some of the top teams in the conference that 667 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.240 are at home. And you also don't have to leave 668 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.480 the state for the month of October. So I mean, 669 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.200 I think it benefits Utah. I think if they can 670 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.039 get their offense figured out, eight seems kind of the 671 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.880 floor in my mind. That doesn't mean I'm over here 672 00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.480 predicting ten eleven wins, but I think they're at least 673 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.200 going to be in contention, and I think eight has 674 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:24.400 to be kind of that starting point. 675 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.599 Do you have a feel at all? 676 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.000 You know, there have been some it's funny you can 677 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.599 do actually off season rankings now in conferences as far 678 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.599 as transfer portal additions, who you lost, who you gained, 679 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.200 and most people have celebrated what Texas Tech has done. 680 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.640 Do you have a feel at all for how this 681 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.000 conference is going to go and whether or not Utah 682 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.880 should be considered as legitimately someone who can contend to 683 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:50.799 win the thing this year. 684 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.440 Yeah, I think Utah should be considered, right. I think 685 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.480 they're absolutely in the mix there. I think you see 686 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.599 Vegas is putting them in there. Eighteen are essentially in 687 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:03.559 the mix there from Vegas with a seven and a 688 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.599 half win or higher. Only three teams at eight and 689 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.920 a half, So I think it shows that there's going 690 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.079 to be a ton of parody. I think that shows 691 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.200 that there's going to be a lot of teams that 692 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.920 are going to be vuying for that top spot. And 693 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.200 I you know, Intel Intel, there's a team that kind 694 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:19.880 of separates themselves. I think this is how the Big 695 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:21.920 twelve is going to be, right, Maybe that's Utah, maybe 696 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.480 that's Erzono State, maybe that's Buyu, whoever it may be. 697 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.599 But I think this is kind of this is kind 698 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.559 of where it's going to be. So I don't see 699 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:31.359 a problem with it. I think Utahs in the mix 700 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.440 for it. You know, as I was going, you know, 701 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.400 I've kind of looked at all these schedules and trying 702 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.200 to pick it all. Those eight teams honestly have a 703 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.279 real pass down the over and so it's a real 704 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.599 challenge to kind of predict losses because you just don't 705 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.839 know what's going to happen. Obviously, teams, you know, have 706 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.720 to live with pressure. Now Arizona State has to now 707 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.680 live with that pressure of being a top dog. They're 708 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.799 going to get everybody's best instead of kind of sneaking 709 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.039 up on everybody last year, BUYU is going to get 710 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.519 everybody's best because of that now and depending on this 711 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.880 quarterback situation, you know what happens there. There's a lot 712 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.839 of changes, and you know, I'm really fascinated to see 713 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.400 how it works. Texas Tech you can buy a bunch 714 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.679 of ways there, but that doesn't mean, you know, you're 715 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.039 guaranteed a trip to this planet. Colorado tried that and 716 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.360 they did. You know, they got marginally better, but not 717 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.599 enough to really compete for the title. So it's really fascinating. 718 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.599 But I think this Big Twelve, the more we get 719 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.920 to learn it, I think it's really fun. I think 720 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.559 it provides a lot of entertaining games. And at the 721 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.519 very least, you get two teams in the state of 722 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.639 Utah with Buau and Utah that I can compete for 723 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:31.039 a title. 724 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.400 All seems to be quiet on the basketball side of things. 725 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.840 We did have Alex Jensen on the show a couple 726 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.480 of weeks ago and we went over some of the 727 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.159 new players, just kind of kicked the tires on kind 728 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:44.880 of where they were at with the process. Have you 729 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.519 heard any I think they still have a few spots available, 730 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:50.079 and obviously there are a number of months until we're 731 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.199 playing basketball. Do you have any sort of an update 732 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.639 on the project that Alex Jensen is undertaking now is 733 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:56.760 a new head coach of the Utes. 734 00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.880 Yeah, right now, it's kind of a wait and see approach. 735 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.880 Right now, they're at eleven scholarships or at least eleven 736 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.840 roster spots whatever we're going to call these now. But 737 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:08.639 I think there's kind of been a wait and see 738 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.800 approach in terms of if this NCAA settlement passes or not. 739 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.159 If it does that, that means they can go up 740 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.320 to fifteen. In the past, men's can only go up 741 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:20.280 to thirteen. So they're pretty much right there anyway, and 742 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.360 so it's just more kind of a wait and see approach. 743 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.239 They do need to try to get some length, to 744 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.840 try to get somebody as a center. I know they've 745 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.920 been out recruiting and doing a bunch of different things 746 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.360 that way, but it's still kind of you know, you're 747 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.679 getting to the point now where most of the best 748 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.639 players are going to go, so you're trying to find depth. 749 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.719 So I wouldn't expect necessarily anybody coming in that can 750 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.079 push for starter minutes. That's not to say it couldn't happen, 751 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:45.639 but I think Utah is pretty content with who they 752 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.400 have right now. It's more just kind of filling out 753 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.639 the roster and kind of finalizing those last pieces, and 754 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.800 there hasn't been any huge urgency to try to fill 755 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.559 them immediately because they feel like they've got their core together. 756 00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.440 Since you and I last spoke, it's been a number 757 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:01.880 of weeks, so I have not talked to you about 758 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.039 the announcement that Cameron Rising has medically retired from the 759 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.840 game of football and he's going to go through the process. 760 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.360 Looks like he might have to have that hand, you know, 761 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.480 surgically repaired, and he will become the offensive coordinator at 762 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.159 his alma mater, or Newbury Park High School in California. 763 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.440 So since we haven't been able to chat about this, Josh, 764 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.039 I mean, I'll speak for myself. I fully anticipated and 765 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.559 certainly would have had no issue for cam to maybe 766 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.119 find a smaller school to go play quarterback at for 767 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.119 a year and make a couple hundred grand, because why 768 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.480 wouldn't you put off the real world. 769 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:37.000 As long as you can. 770 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:38.840 Not many people can get a job that pays a 771 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.320 couple hundred grand right out of college anyway, but an 772 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:47.159 unfortunate end to otherwise a legendary career and somebody that 773 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.280 should always be remembered as one of the greats to 774 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.079 ever do it here in Salt Lake City. So your 775 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.159 thoughts on Cameron Rising now that we have clarity on 776 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.199 his future plans, Yeah, I mean, I think. 777 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.039 You know, time Hills, I'll lound and I think unfortunately 778 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.440 Utah fans were beat down the last couple of years 779 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.320 with kind of injury situations with Cam Rising. Now that 780 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.880 it's kind of official, and then everybody knew it was official, 781 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:11.800 But now that he's officially put it out there and 782 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.639 talked about the severity of his hand, I think that's 783 00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.880 given him a lot more good in the public. Not 784 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.440 that people weren't thinking that, but I think you're starting 785 00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.320 to see more that this is a guy that really 786 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.199 tried to compete and try to fight to get back 787 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.480 on the field that Arizona State game. Was a guy 788 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.639 that was just trying to live out his best life, 789 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.079 seeing if he could do it, trying to appease people, 790 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.119 and it didn't work. 791 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:34.400 Right. 792 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.159 I still think though, that Cam Rising becomes one of 793 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.519 the top players that's ever come through the University of Utah. 794 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:44.760 Not necessarily because of his full talent, right, there's better 795 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.000 players that have come through, But I think everything that 796 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.440 he did at the university and what he did to 797 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.840 kind of propel it into kind of that next echelon 798 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:56.559 of where they're at. Even to Kyle Whittingham's legacy is 799 00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.960 a result of kind of Cam Rising doing what he did, 800 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.880 So I think, you know, he's going to be reviewed 801 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:03.719 with a lot of fondness. I think there's a lot 802 00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.400 of reasons to kind of prop him up there as 803 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.079 one of the best to ever do it. And I 804 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.559 think just for all of those intangibles of what he 805 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:12.599 meant to the program, getting him to the Rose Bowl, 806 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.000 winning the back to back championships, especially during a difficult 807 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.079 time when they lost two of their teammates to you 808 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:23.119 know that that became this incredibly difficult situation and he 809 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:24.679 was the one that kind of stood a top of 810 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.960 that and really kind of rally the troops. So I 811 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.320 think there's a lot to like and respect about him. 812 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.719 I think he's going to, you know, as time goes 813 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.880 more and more people will respect what he did and 814 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.599 and I think that's an appropriate place for him. 815 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.480 All right, Josh, before I said you loose, you know, 816 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.400 the Salt Lake Bees have already ditch smith Ballpark for 817 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.440 their new home out south, and I wonder you know 818 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:50.679 your thoughts on Utah baseball playing their final game at 819 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.639 Smiths Ballpark and some of the reactions that you've seen 820 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.400 as Utah baseball is now also moving on from a 821 00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.519 ballpark that we've all gone to for a number of years. 822 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.559 Yeah, Like I went into that game, going to that 823 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.679 last game against TCU, not really knowing what to expect. 824 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.280 College baseball is a little at least Utah Baseball, they 825 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.800 don't get the same amount of supports as the Bees would, 826 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.719 and so it was always felt like a big venue 827 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.760 for the youths, right, and so having them have a 828 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.000 venue on campus where it fits their their stadium attendance, 829 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.679 that kind of stuff is great. But I found myself 830 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:26.000 kind of reminiscing a lot of the memories that I 831 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.280 had at, you know, the ballpark, whether it be covering events, 832 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.800 you know, talking to Steve Clouke, who obviously has passed on. 833 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.639 Unfortunately had nothing to do with Utah necessarily, but obviously 834 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.880 he's an icon that deserves the respect that went with 835 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.320 with that stadium. And then just kind of my own 836 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.119 personal memories with my family, watching my family grow up 837 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.079 in that stadium as a baseball family, you know, going 838 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:51.320 to games and seeing them excited to see these prospects 839 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.639 as they they talked to, you know, guys on the 840 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.119 Bees that were potentially going to Angels or some other team. 841 00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.079 It's it's sad to see it go right, and it's 842 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.559 sad that, you know, we're we're giving up this beautiful 843 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.199 view to go speak down into suburbia, right, And I 844 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.960 get it, there's troubles in downtown Salt Lake. There's issues 845 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.119 with the stadium. It's old, but I feel like that's 846 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:13.960 what made it so great at the same time, like 847 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.840 it was this this stadium that just kind of rallied 848 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.199 everybody together and we kind of became an icon where 849 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.440 it was. And unfortunately, you know, we always have to 850 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.480 be building these bigger and better and greater things that 851 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.199 we kind of lose history and we lose kind of 852 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.800 the sacred nature of some of these things that they 853 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.199 kind of bind us all together just so that we 854 00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.639 can go build a better facility. So, you know, I 855 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.440 don't want to wax poetic too much, but at the 856 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.360 same time, I think it sucks, right Like I think 857 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.480 it's not always great to be able to have, you know, 858 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.639 new things. But at the end of the day, it 859 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:48.320 is what it is. 860 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:48.559 You know. 861 00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:50.880 Happy for both programs, the bees and the youth that 862 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.119 they can get their own place, but it just sucks 863 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.239 that we now don't have Smiths Ball Park anymore. 864 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:57.360 All right, Josh, appreciate the time, man. I know you 865 00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:58.920 got a lot to do, so we'll shut you loose. 866 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.719 Have a good week, all right, Oh good, Appreciate that. 867 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.880 Josh Furlong covers the University of Utah. Four ksl brought 868 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.519 to you today by IFA Country Stores. When the seasons change, 869 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:11.559 if you're like any good coach, you'll put together your 870 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.400 game plan for a healthy green lawn and you'll turn 871 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:15.480 to the experts at IFA. 872 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.800 Check out their four plus lawn care program. 873 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.079 Everything you need to make everything you need to make 874 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.719 your yard a hit It's the ultimate lawn owner power 875 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.760 move at IFA and IFA dot co op. All right, 876 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:27.800 one hour down, three hours to go, we go live 877 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:29.719 to New York coming up next, and we'll check in 878 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.280 with the legend himself, Christopher Cameronnie, the hell is this? 879 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:35.079 What are we? 880 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.800 What are you playing on a Wednesday afternoon when you 881 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.119 really only had one one job. 882 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:41.079 To do with the music? 883 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:44.719 I did punt on this one to our our guest 884 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.639 k A little fairytale of New York here all right? 885 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.960 And I'm told that k joins us live from the 886 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.639 top floor of the New York Times Building in Midtown Manhattan? 887 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.360 Is that true? A fairytale of New York? 888 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:55.840 If you will? 889 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.800 Big city guy over here, Chris, what's going on? 890 00:41:58.880 --> 00:41:59.079 Man? 891 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.280 Coming to you? Live at the fifteenth floor, staring out 892 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.960 at forty first and eight. Big day in the Big Apple. 893 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.519 Forecast called for rain, not so much rain, but the 894 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:18.719 streets are starting to turn blue and orange. And I 895 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:19.719 wonder why. 896 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:20.559 Love hearing that? 897 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:20.880 So? 898 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.079 As I often say, I like to claim that I'm 899 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.000 from the right coast, Chris, you are from the left coast. 900 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.760 How does a left coast or digest being what I've in? 901 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.599 What I like to call the right coast. 902 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.400 It is a great question, and I'm glad to know 903 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.480 that you accurately stated where we each lie on that 904 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.960 left coast. Best coast is going to be my firm argument. 905 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.760 But I would just say that being here, I would 906 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.559 probably summarize it best by saying, like this is America, 907 00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.599 Like this is everything and anything you could possibly need 908 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:05.519 to know about this great, beautiful, complicated country is right here, 909 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.119 distilled into a very small piece of land between a 910 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:10.639 bunch of random rivers. 911 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.599 It's such a great city. Man, I hate to be 912 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.119 that guy. I miss it so much, and I miss 913 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:19.119 it in the spring date. Do you find yourself enjoying it? 914 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.400 Because most people from the left coach coast, which is 915 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.239 not the best coast, but we will not debate that today, 916 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.920 do not find themselves enjoying the right coast because it's 917 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.880 a little more claustrophobic, shall we say? 918 00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:32.039 So? 919 00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.159 Do you find yourself enjoying the endeavor? 920 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.960 I do. I very much enjoy it, but unfortunately I 921 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.639 came at a very bad weather time. It is like 922 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.840 fifty five and piss and rain off and on, and 923 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:48.559 last year when I was out here, it was like 924 00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:52.280 eighty five and perfect, and I was riding the rentable 925 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.559 e bikes and all this stuff, and now I'm kind 926 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.880 of like it's late May. Like your city should be 927 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.119 giving me a little bit of a little bit of 928 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.880 reason to sweat, you know, should be giving me some humidity, 929 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.639 but instead it's windy, it's rainy, and it's cold. But alas, 930 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.519 we're not going to complain fair enough. 931 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.480 One more thing here you referenced these streets are turning 932 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.199 orange and blue, and there really is not a city 933 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.800 that celebrates their sports teams and summarily dismisses them if 934 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.159 we're fair, quite like Manhattan and the surrounding borough. So 935 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.760 is there a palpable buzz? Can you tell that the 936 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.159 Knicks are about to play in the Eastern Conference Finals? 937 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:33.519 The buzz is palpable. And in Times Square where I am, 938 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.920 people are already walking towards you know, I don't know 939 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.280 the address off the top of my head, so I apologize, 940 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.679 but they are walking toward MSG. And I can tell 941 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.239 you that even just walking up to Central Park last night, 942 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.719 Avan sent you a photo there was a party bus 943 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.960 that was painted blue and orange in honor of the Knicks, 944 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.960 and there was a basketball hoop on the back and 945 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.360 people were screaming into the microphone all sorts of you know, 946 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:04.519 celebrate toy mix information and words that I can't necessarily 947 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.960 express on air, even though I did mistakingly last week. 948 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.360 So for that again, I apologize. But yes, the city 949 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.000 is ready for the garden to go nuts. 950 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.199 The address is very simple. People overthink it. It's four 951 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.840 Penn Plaza, New York, New York. It is between seventh 952 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.519 and eight, between West thirty first and West thirty third. 953 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.320 But the address is four Penn Plaza. 954 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:27.679 C K. 955 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:28.519 That's all it is. 956 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.639 It's only like an eight minute walk from here. So 957 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.280 if it stops raining, I might have to walk down 958 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.599 and go check out some fellow big bombers. You know, 959 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.639 maybe maybe maybe maybe get on a side talk video. 960 00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:42.039 Could you imagine me? 961 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.400 You you should, man, I bet it's a spectacle like 962 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:48.760 I mean, they haven't seen in twenty five years. If 963 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.679 you have an opportunity, you should walk down and check 964 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.920 it out. It's you respect, It's not quite you know, 965 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.360 like what it's like outside Delta Center when the Jazz 966 00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.119 are playing in the playoffs, which is also fun. 967 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.960 It's just different in that city and. 968 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.800 The people watching is as a plus as it gets, 969 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:06.960 which is something that I love to specialize in. 970 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:07.719 Yes it is. 971 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:10.719 What are you doing there, young man? I know you're 972 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:12.440 not there for the nick game? What are you doing 973 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:13.719 in midtown Manhattan? 974 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.400 Once a year, our college football staff has a big 975 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:23.920 annual summit is what you say in big time business 976 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.280 wig parlance. So where the staffers are getting together to 977 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.400 talk about the year that was and the year that 978 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.440 lies ahead, and you know, just getting to see lots 979 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.280 of close friends and be the least smart person in 980 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:37.639 the room. 981 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.679 So that's that's a group of college football heavy hitters 982 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:44.719 on the media side of things. I know you're not 983 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.199 a name dropper, but who are in those rooms? 984 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:53.119 Oh, you know the great Stu Mandel, Bruce Feldman, Chris Vanini, 985 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.920 David Eban, the list goes on and on. We've we've 986 00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.599 had a very strong college football staff over the years. 987 00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.559 We've had some people move on to other endeavors. I mean, 988 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.679 once upon a time you had the Nicole auerbacks and 989 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.920 now Ari Wasserman's who are now at other publications. But 990 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.280 we still have some heavy hitters. And again I'm not 991 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.880 even in the ninth spot. I'm the utility man on 992 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:15.320 the bench. 993 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.440 Well, that's uh, I don't believe that's true. But I'll 994 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.760 allow your feigned humility on the program today. But let 995 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.119 me take advantage of this. What are some of the 996 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.119 if you would care to share? I know these are 997 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.920 closed doors meetings with the athletic college football staff. 998 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:34.119 What are some of the big. 999 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.960 Time college football storylines and topics that are being bantered 1000 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.239 about in a room such as that. 1001 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:42.280 Well, as you can imagine the house settlement that appears 1002 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.960 to be close to being done, we've been waiting for 1003 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.719 this ruling for a long time. One of my best 1004 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.199 and favorite colleagues, Justin Williams, is the man who's been 1005 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.519 tasked with sifting through these documents ad nauseum for the 1006 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.320 last year plus and getting to know so versu is 1007 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:06.519 at the you know, the law, the judicial, you know, collegiate, 1008 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.039 all these levels that are necessary that you need to 1009 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:12.719 learn to try to distill this down into something that 1010 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.800 is tangibly easy to digest. He does a way better 1011 00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.039 job than I ever could. We all make a joke 1012 00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.519 that we decided to get into this business to cover 1013 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.440 college football, and we, in a weird way, turn out 1014 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.199 we had to learn how to cover the court system 1015 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.960 in real time, so lots of you know, have settlement stuff, 1016 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:35.800 the state of nil transfer portal, lots of lots of 1017 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.280 things that you could easily imagine. And then you know 1018 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:44.519 the interesting storylines this upcoming season. You know, you can't 1019 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.039 get into a meeting about college football without talking about 1020 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.199 Deon Sanders or Bill Belichick at UNC or is Ohio 1021 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:56.679 State going to repeat lots of very you know, typical things. 1022 00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:58.559 But it's just nice to be able to get together 1023 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.920 with colleagues one year and just kind of shoot the breeze. 1024 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.800 So I mean, let's start with probably the hottest topic. 1025 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.280 Can you confirm or deny that Bill Belichick and Jordan 1026 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:10.440 Hudson are engaged? 1027 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:11.440 Oh? 1028 00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:12.840 I cannot confirm that? 1029 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.880 All right? How much was how much was that topic 1030 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:17.880 banteed about today? 1031 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.920 I didn't hear much about it, just because I think 1032 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.199 we've been broken up into different groups. But I can 1033 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:30.480 guarantee you there will be reported very fascinating stories on 1034 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.159 the topic of Bill Belichick at North Carolina at the 1035 00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.039 athletic in the coming weeks and months. 1036 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.159 Fair enough, Fair enough? 1037 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.079 All right, Chris, My guess is, I don't even know 1038 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.960 if you've seen this, But because it's the big news 1039 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.119 here locally. I do need to ask you about it, 1040 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.559 and if you want to punt until you can look 1041 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.400 into it a little bit more, I totally understand. But 1042 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.840 according to the Salt Lake Tribune, our friends of the 1043 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:56.039 trib Kevin Reynolds, and I don't know Jessica Shrifles. Is 1044 00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:59.960 that correct? I mean, okay, so Jessica Strifles, Kevin Reynolds. 1045 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:03.599 This was posted ten minutes before I cracked this microphone 1046 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:07.199 today BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz. Laugh has been accused of 1047 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.519 sexual assault in a new civil suit. Okay, so he 1048 00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.159 has not been criminally charged. And this alleged incident happened 1049 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:18.760 in twenty twenty three. Jake had just transferred from Riverside 1050 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.760 in California, so he was very new on campus. And look, 1051 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:26.559 everybody has due process, well everyone should, but let's leave 1052 00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.760 that aside. So we'll kind of see how this plays out. 1053 00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.119 Have you had a chance to dig into this, and 1054 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:32.960 if so, what are your thoughts on the news that 1055 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.519 broke about hour and a half ago today? 1056 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.119 This is literally the first time hearing about it. All right, 1057 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.400 I apologize to you and your staff. We've been in 1058 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:45.000 a closed door meeting, just talking about story ideas for 1059 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:48.679 the upcoming college football season. So this was basically the 1060 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.679 last thing I was expecting you to tell me. So 1061 00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.199 I'm going to have to get into my best punt 1062 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.119 formation and fire away. 1063 00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:56.599 All right, fair enough, fair enough. 1064 00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.119 So sltrip dot com for our listeners that are just 1065 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.599 maybe hopping in your car, starting your commute home or 1066 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.280 what have you, streaming online, go to sl trip dot com. 1067 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:08.039 It's all over the socials, you know, ultimately, Chris, when 1068 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.159 it comes to a situation like this, we'll move away 1069 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.840 from the specifics because you are not familiar with it 1070 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.519 and talk about more of a macro viewpoint. You know, 1071 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.960 BYU as a track record of having zero tolerance for 1072 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.559 anything like this. And you know, again I'm being very 1073 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.760 careful here, Jake deserves to process. 1074 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:26.800 This is not a criminal charge. 1075 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.440 It is a civil suit, and trying to be analogous 1076 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.719 with any other situation feels a little up to sp 1077 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.519 The Brandon Davies situation comes to mind. Brandon was not 1078 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:39.079 charged with a crime, nor was he sued. But that 1079 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.199 was a really good basketball team that had a chance 1080 00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:43.719 to maybe even win a national championship with for debt 1081 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.840 and they suspended him for the NCAA tournament. BYU is 1082 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.000 a team that most people have ranked in their top 1083 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:55.599 ten top fifteen range and thought to maybe have a 1084 00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:59.360 really really good chance to have an excellent season based 1085 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.320 off of your understanding and knowledge of the way that 1086 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.119 BYU works, I mean, this feels like something that they're 1087 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.880 not going to mess around with, and like I said, 1088 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.559 do process is needed, so we'll give the space for it. 1089 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.960 But your thoughts on what could potentially go. 1090 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:14.239 Down with BYU and how. 1091 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.239 They're going to kind of traverse this space. And obviously 1092 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.880 Brian Santiago is a new ad, has a new list 1093 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:21.159 of things to take care of. 1094 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:21.400 Now. 1095 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:27.519 Yeah, it's a tricky, complex situation, and my guess would 1096 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:32.360 be that the university, Brian Santiago, the athletic department, they're 1097 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.440 all going to say that they're going to let the 1098 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:40.599 judicial process play out. I don't know for sure. Do 1099 00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.119 you know, Spence, if if the court or if the 1100 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.360 case filing was filed today, it. 1101 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:46.719 Was filed today according to the trip. 1102 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.920 Yes, so this is obviously very brand new information for 1103 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:55.639 everybody if it's just been today and they're going to 1104 00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.719 have to my guess would be that they're going to 1105 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:00.559 be very tight lipped about it, and they're going to 1106 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:03.000 say that they're going to let the judicial process play out. 1107 00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.559 And honestly, I think that's the right thing to do. 1108 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.440 And when it comes to the nature of things like this, 1109 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.920 it is irresponsible to really speculate on, you know, how 1110 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.280 certain outcomes may come about, especially considering the sensitive nature 1111 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:24.599 of it. But you know, you're right. Historically BYU has 1112 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.800 had a fairly strict policy when it comes to off 1113 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.239 the field incidents or you know, allegations of the nature. 1114 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.559 I don't have a great answer for you right now, 1115 00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.320 just because I don't know the specifics, like I said, 1116 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.840 and it is unfortunately just way too sensitive of a 1117 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.039 topic for me to try to pontificate upon. So I apologize. 1118 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.840 No, you're you're right, and I mean, the one last 1119 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:50.760 thing I'll say on this now we'll move on, is 1120 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.880 for the idiots online taking victory lapse because you cheer 1121 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.199 for a different football team, like put the phone away. 1122 00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.159 You don't need to tweet like, let's there's a victim, 1123 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:03.079 alleged victim who is potentially involved here that probably has 1124 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:05.599 gone through something traumatic that none of us fully understand. 1125 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.719 So you don't have to tweet, put the phones away, 1126 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.800 move on, and we will now move on. 1127 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.400 There's no comfortable way of doing that. 1128 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:13.719 But let me ask you this, so you reference the 1129 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.239 conversations you're having in the rooms about the House v 1130 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.320 NCUBA settlement, which I don't know, maybe two months ago 1131 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.519 felt like it was imminent and now it feels like 1132 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.280 it might be far away and continues to be far 1133 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.199 away based off of some of the state by state 1134 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:32.119 legislation that has been passed to protect member institutions from 1135 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:35.519 the very settlement that we've been waiting for. So what 1136 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.760 are some of the conversations you guys are having about 1137 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.119 where we're at with House VNC DOUBLEA And what do 1138 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:42.079 you think the latest kind of sounds like right now? 1139 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.960 Yeah, you basically took the answer right out of my mouth, man, Like, 1140 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:49.480 it is so ironic that every time they seem to 1141 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.880 make a few steps forward, you take a few extra 1142 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.519 steps back. The fact that states are getting involved on 1143 00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:02.800 this at a level individually could potentially make the kind 1144 00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.760 of the blanket result that much more easy for everybody. 1145 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:11.400 Is very on brand for the state of college athletics, 1146 00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.239 for college football and dealing with the NCAA as a whole. 1147 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.440 If and when this settlement gets done, it's going to 1148 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:25.599 be extremely important for everybody to get their ducks in 1149 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:30.559 a row. Obviously, but the fact that these states I 1150 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.519 think Tennessee, maybe Kentucky and a couple other if I'm 1151 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.239 not mistaken, are starting to try to dig their clause 1152 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.159 into this, the fact that they can make it that 1153 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:46.880 much more arduous and basically muddy the waters, it is 1154 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.599 very unfortunate because I feel like we're so close to 1155 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.760 having something like tangible to be like, Okay, twenty point 1156 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:56.039 five million dollars is going to go to each member 1157 00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:00.400 institution and they will be able to basically do that 1158 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:03.280 the whatever way they want to whichever program they want, 1159 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:07.000 and we can go from there. But like I said, 1160 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.840 things aren't done easily in this realm, and I think 1161 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.480 a lot of it, honestly, Spence is like I think, 1162 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.960 people trying to capitalize on a murky situation. Anyways, some 1163 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.480 people are probably trying to come off as you know, 1164 00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:26.159 pseudo want to be saviors, whether that's talking about individual 1165 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:31.599 state legislators or just other people as a whole. It 1166 00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.599 the sooner this gets done, the better it is for everybody, 1167 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:39.159 because once this gets done, then we can finally get 1168 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.360 onto the bigger point of view, and that is, how 1169 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.239 is this twenty point five million dollars going to be 1170 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:50.519 basically chopped up and split up between each you know, 1171 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.800 major Division one university across the country. And then at 1172 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.840 that time, hopefully for public institutions, we'll be able to 1173 00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:02.480 get a program by program breakdown and you'll get an actual, 1174 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:10.440 like real life way to correctly decipher what these guys 1175 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.719 are doing and why they're doing it. And the fact 1176 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.519 that we haven't been able to get there yet is 1177 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.960 very frustrating, and the fact that we could potentially be 1178 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.719 waiting even longer is even more frustrating than that. 1179 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:26.280 So on May one, Bill Lee shout out Bill Lee, 1180 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:30.000 who's the governor of Tennessee. He signed a six page 1181 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:35.199 state bill Bill number five thirty six, and Ross Dellinger 1182 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.400 was able to get the details and it paves the 1183 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.920 way for the state schools at Tennessee, which of course, 1184 00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:44.519 University of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Memphis, et cetera, and their affiliated 1185 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:50.079 collectives to break house settlement related rules and prevents college 1186 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:54.400 Sports quote New Enforcement Entity from penalizing those schools So 1187 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:58.280 what the officials from the powerful conferences have done in 1188 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.480 response is they're circulating aft of what's called a groundbreaking 1189 00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.280 and a first of its kind document intended to prevent 1190 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:11.039 universities from using state laws to violate new enforcement rules 1191 00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:15.239 and essentially require schools to waive their right to pursue 1192 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:18.320 legal challenges against the new enforcement entity, which is known 1193 00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:21.679 as the College Sports Commission. So you combine that with 1194 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:25.360 what happened in February where power conferences simply are seeking 1195 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:30.719 more control over NCAA championships, namely March Madness men's and 1196 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:35.039 women's basketball tournaments, and obviously the CFP. All of this 1197 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.599 feels like we are moving towards the shift where power conferences, 1198 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.360 not the NCUBA, will control policing athlete compensation, and that's 1199 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:48.679 not surprising anybody, Chris. But what we're moving into now 1200 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.719 is the haves are now fighting amongst each other, where 1201 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:56.440 some of the schools that exist in states that are 1202 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.800 passing bills that literally say you do not have to 1203 00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.920 fight the guidelines that are given to you when the 1204 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:07.920 house free NCAA is actually settled. They're now being warned 1205 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:10.360 by the P four institutions that you're not allowed to 1206 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.320 use state rules to circumvent the actual rules that are 1207 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.559 in place when the settlement comes down, Like somehow they've 1208 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.519 managed to make it more convoluted when it seemed like 1209 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.679 we were inching closer and closer to the finish line. 1210 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.400 Okay, I'm in your city and I'm going to draw 1211 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.239 the most perfect analogy possible. 1212 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:31.400 I feel it. 1213 00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.440 You knew it, You knew it. You We have to 1214 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.400 we have to. We have to figure out which conference 1215 00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:39.320 is Connor. 1216 00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:41.920 No succession, yeah, succession? 1217 00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:45.119 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know which conference is shive? 1218 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.920 Which conference is the eldest boy? Like that's that is 1219 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:54.400 what it feels like. And it makes sense because there 1220 00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:57.840 is meat on the bone for the powers that be 1221 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.079 to try to grab power and a lot of that 1222 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.119 it's grand standing and I get that. But again, until 1223 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:08.719 there is a set, firm set of rules in place, 1224 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.599 people are going to try to capitalize on the quote 1225 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.719 unquote wild west of college athletics. So the fact that 1226 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:19.880 the big boys are infighting now and are going to 1227 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.320 do their best to potentially try to police the stuff 1228 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.960 makes a ton of sense because why wouldn't they Because 1229 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.280 they know that they can throw their weight around because 1230 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:28.599 they know, at the end of the day of their 1231 01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:33.159 brands are the things that shoulder the load in college athletics. 1232 01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.960 They know their brands are the things that drive money 1233 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.400 when it comes to TV rights and meteorites and all 1234 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:41.960 of these things. This is the reality of where we 1235 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.960 are right now, and it's going to stay that way 1236 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.400 for a while until we get some sort if we 1237 01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:48.400 ever get that, if we ever get to the point 1238 01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.480 that somebody is going to draw a line in the 1239 01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.880 sand and say this is how you operate within the 1240 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.559 confine of the rules. Otherwise these guys are going to 1241 01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:57.320 throw their weight around. 1242 01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.199 All right, I'm going to try to do this. How 1243 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:00.519 to do this? 1244 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:03.960 Are we Are we allowed to include Walms Gams in 1245 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.159 the conversation or does it have to be the kids? 1246 01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:07.960 I think it's got to be the Core four. 1247 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.159 Okay, Well, because Shiv is married to Tom, they're the 1248 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:16.760 sec they have the power. I'm gonna say Logan Roy 1249 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.280 is Mark Emerate no longer with us. 1250 01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:19.920 Uh, let's see here. 1251 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:25.159 I'm going to say Connor Roy is the PAC twelve. Okay, 1252 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:26.519 I'm gonna say he's the PAC twelve. 1253 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:27.079 Just hanging off. 1254 01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:31.519 How dare you you wrote? You wrote off his presidential 1255 01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:33.239 campaign before he even started. 1256 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.480 Uh, let's see, well, we'll make We're gonna make Kendall 1257 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:41.079 the Big ten because you know, the oldest boy, you 1258 01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:43.960 cannot deny the power. But ultimately he's not the SEC. 1259 01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:47.920 So we're gonna give that to Shiv. We'll make let's see, we'll. 1260 01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:50.480 Make Romans the Big twelve is a great fit. 1261 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:54.639 We'll go Roman Big twelve. Okay, and let's see that leaves. 1262 01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.039 We'll make cousin Greg the a CEC. No one really 1263 01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.280 cares about him with They're fun. 1264 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:03.239 Great, great, great move. I mean, dude, I don't know, man, 1265 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.760 this is sports talk radio edit EPEX. I'm not even 1266 01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:09.360 being funny either. This is and I'm on the fifteenth floor. 1267 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.000 You know, the city is alive. There's an ambulance driving 1268 01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.039 right by right now, like this is as real as 1269 01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:15.519 a kiss. 1270 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.079 We need to get a little succession soundtrack. We need 1271 01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:21.840 the piano in the background we get we need to 1272 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:25.119 get that time. Okay, So there we go. So Roman's 1273 01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:29.840 the Big twelve. Shiv is the SEC. We're giving Kendall 1274 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:34.119 the Big ten. We're given. We're giving Connor the Pac twelve, 1275 01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.440 and we'll make cousin Greg the ACC and again logan 1276 01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:39.920 is Mark Emerd because he's dead and doesn't matter anymore 1277 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:46.559 that you said it not me that all works. Oh goodness, gracious, 1278 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.199 all right, let's move over to what are we doing? 1279 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:50.960 What is going on today? 1280 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:52.079 I'm so sorry. 1281 01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.159 No, it's wonderful, it's great, it's great. All right, let's 1282 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:54.679 move over here. 1283 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:58.440 So I'm sure you guys discussed this today, and I'm 1284 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:02.519 honestly conflicted because you cannot debate that the best football 1285 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.920 is not played in the Big ten of the SEC consistently. 1286 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:08.960 It does not mean that there couldn't be a Clemson 1287 01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:12.119 or a Florida State or a Utah or a Texas 1288 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.800 Tech or whatever that rises up, and it belongs in 1289 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.320 the ranks of the College Football League from time to time. 1290 01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:22.199 But the expanded sixteen team CFP proposal includes four auto 1291 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:27.440 bids four Shive, four auto bids for Kendall, two auto 1292 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:31.320 bids for Roman, two auto bids for cousin Greg, one 1293 01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:33.400 auto bid for our guy Connor Roy. 1294 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:34.360 And the group of six. 1295 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.280 So again, this is a proposal that gives half of 1296 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:41.079 the sixteen team auto bids. I wonder how many people 1297 01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.079 are like, what the hell are they talking about this 1298 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.119 is a proposal that gives sixteen like half of the 1299 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:48.639 sixteen auto bids to the Big ten, of the SEC 1300 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.960 two auto bids to the Big twelve, and the ACC 1301 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.960 one auto bid to the Group of six, and then 1302 01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:59.039 three at large bids and then ultimately that's how you 1303 01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.639 land on the number sixteen. Apparently there's there's a lot 1304 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.400 of pushback on this, but again I'm conflicted because at 1305 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:08.199 some point there's the conversation about the Big ten and 1306 01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:10.800 the SEC taking their ball and doing their own thing. Anyway, 1307 01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:13.280 how do you think this plays out? What are some 1308 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.800 of the conversational pieces you guys are having about the 1309 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:18.679 proposal on the table to expand this thing to sixteen. 1310 01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:22.760 Well, I think what we've talked about and what everybody 1311 01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:27.320 realizes is that there may never be an end point 1312 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.800 to this thing. I think it could be a moving target. 1313 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.000 It could be twelve, it could be fourteen, it could 1314 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.000 be sixteen, depending on the success each year, depending on 1315 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.480 the amount of money they make with media rights feals 1316 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.480 and on campus home games. You never know, man, Like, 1317 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.960 never in any sense of reality did we think one 1318 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:49.559 day we would leave the BCS system behind for you know, 1319 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:54.280 a fourteen playoffs and never in you know, nobody in 1320 01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.000 their right mind never thought it would go to twelve, 1321 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.840 and here we are already talking about it expanding again. 1322 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.239 I don't personally have an issue with the Big ten 1323 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:06.480 and the SEC getting the bulk of the auto bids, 1324 01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:09.599 mainly because they feature the best teams in the country. 1325 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:13.639 And if you're talking about it, logically, even the most 1326 01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:17.440 casual of fans want to tune in to watch potentially 1327 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:20.440 dominant teams that they don't really want to root for. Now, 1328 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:24.119 that isn't great for a market like ours, where we 1329 01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:28.239 have a couple of Cinderellas who want to dance once 1330 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:31.280 every decade or so. But if you think about it, 1331 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.800 when was the last time a non Big ten or 1332 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.760 SEC team won a national title? And we can take 1333 01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.400 Clemson that like Clemson is the answer, but like when 1334 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.960 it was the last time a non Big ten, non SEC, 1335 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:47.800 non Clemson team won a national title? I honestly couldn't 1336 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:49.440 even tell you yeah. 1337 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.639 And that's what makes it complex because we're in Big 1338 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:53.960 twelve countries, so we can yell as loud as we 1339 01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.440 possibly can, as we can yell as loud as we 1340 01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.360 want to, but it doesn't change the fact that the 1341 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:02.199 majority of the blue bloods in college football exists in 1342 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.719 the Big Ten and in the SEC. Does it feel 1343 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:08.519 like to you that we are still moving into a 1344 01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.920 world where college football, when the dust settles, will look 1345 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.360 a lot like pro football, or to your point, will 1346 01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.920 this just be an ever living organism that changes kind 1347 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:18.679 of year by year. 1348 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.800 I believe it's going to do the latter. I think 1349 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.079 the fact that they've the powers that be have been 1350 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.199 proven year in and year out that they can change 1351 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.199 the game, they can move the goalpost, they can do 1352 01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.800 it differently and still make more money. It behooves them 1353 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.559 to be able to maintain that flexibility rather than kind 1354 01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:42.199 of putting themselves in a box. So I could be 1355 01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:46.159 proven wrong and eventually one day they could be deciding 1356 01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:48.719 to do that super league model that has been bandied 1357 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.239 about for a long time. But I think, at least 1358 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.000 in the very near future, it doesn't really benefit them 1359 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:59.119 to constrain themselves that way, because they've been proven time 1360 01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:01.400 and time again that they can make more money even 1361 01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:02.440 though changes can come. 1362 01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.960 Is the New York Times building somewhere where you find 1363 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:08.280 that it's a nice, nice, safe space where you don't 1364 01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:09.880 have to pretend that you like Hamilton. 1365 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:14.480 Well, I find it a safe space to pretend that 1366 01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:17.960 I don't like college football, because until people figure that out, 1367 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:19.320 the ruises up. 1368 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.159 Man, See the problem. 1369 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.559 The problem with these interviews is now I'm just thinking 1370 01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:27.760 about succession quotes that are just bouncing around in my mind. 1371 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.719 All right, Chris, before we set you loose, we'll let 1372 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:33.519 you get back to what you have going on. I 1373 01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:36.000 still can't believe this conversation with the direction it did, 1374 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.159 but you know, that's what makes it fun. I'm quite 1375 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.039 sure you did not have a chance to listen to 1376 01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:44.480 the gaffer himself, Pablo masch Junni on the program yesterday. 1377 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:49.239 Yes, I was on a Delta flight to JFK, so apologies. 1378 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.360 I was not able to Did you watch anything on 1379 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.360 the plane? How did you How did you pass the 1380 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:54.159 five hour flight? 1381 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:59.280 I took a little bit of a fake nap, closed 1382 01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:01.400 my eyes for about an hour, and then watch the film. 1383 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.760 Would you share a care or would you care to share? 1384 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:05.440 Which film you want? 1385 01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:09.480 It's called The Bike Riders. It's a film with with 1386 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:15.320 Tom Hardy and a couple other very handsome looking gentlemen. 1387 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:18.239 It's about a motorcycle club in Chicago in the sixties. 1388 01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:20.239 I enjoyed it plus interesting. 1389 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:21.039 I'll check it out. 1390 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:25.399 So Pablo, and this took three or four different follow 1391 01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:28.880 up questions where I definitely was blaboring the point. Because 1392 01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.920 the fact of matter, Chris, is this like, once upon 1393 01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:34.760 a time in MLS, you didn't have to belabor the 1394 01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:37.920 point about economic infusion in your club. You didn't have 1395 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:41.239 to spend twenty thirty forty million whatever it is. Hence 1396 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.560 two thousand and nine our guys lift the trophy beating 1397 01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.239 David Beckham and Landon Donovan, you know, with that club 1398 01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:50.840 with Javier and Kyle and Nicky in the whole group. Well, 1399 01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:53.600 MLS is not on the level of the NBA or 1400 01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:55.960 the NFL, but it's grown to the point where it's 1401 01:08:56.039 --> 01:09:00.039 no longer even an option to build a club with 1402 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.640 out economic confusion. If you want to build a winner, 1403 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:04.560 and if you want to be competitive, if you want 1404 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:08.760 to be unseerious about competing and simply develop young players 1405 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:10.920 and then move them on for a premium so you 1406 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:14.199 can satisfy your investors, you can do that. But that's 1407 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.640 such an unserious approach, and that is what we've kind 1408 01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:19.560 of experienced over the past little bit, and I think 1409 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:20.199 it's got a lot of. 1410 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:20.880 People off guard. 1411 01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:24.760 Pablo yesterday dropped a bit of a bomb on the program. 1412 01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:28.199 It's a little breaking news, accidental journalism that he was 1413 01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:31.199 told this week by the new ownership group that they 1414 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:35.039 are no longer interested in selling any of their young players, 1415 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:38.880 namely Diego Luna, who rumors flying that he might be 1416 01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:40.159 gone during this summer transfer. 1417 01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:40.399 Windo. 1418 01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:43.319 Now, look if a La Liga club. 1419 01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.079 Or Bundesliga or EPL or whatever, if any club in 1420 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.039 Europe calls Kurt Schmidt and says we will pay you 1421 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:51.640 twenty five or thirty million dollars for Diego Luna, I 1422 01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:54.920 get it. But what do you make of what I 1423 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.760 perceive to be a really massive change of direction in 1424 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.600 ethos by the Miller family now that they take taken 1425 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:04.079 over informing Pablo in the front office. They're not interested 1426 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.880 in this ethos of developing as a you know, developing 1427 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:09.520 players as a club and then moving them on. 1428 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.359 They want to build something for the long haul. 1429 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:18.840 Well, this is a multi layered conversation, and if we 1430 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:22.880 take Diego as the prime example, it kind of makes 1431 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:27.399 sense because if you haven't had that twenty to thirty 1432 01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:32.159 million dollar offer. Yet unless he goes on to score 1433 01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:36.079 twenty goals and has fifteen assists, maybe you're going to 1434 01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:39.920 get an offer from alligat Mchi's team in the ten 1435 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.640 to fifteen million dollar range. But is Diego Luna worth 1436 01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:47.279 that much to you as a club? I would argue yes, 1437 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:51.479 especially considering where you are with the state of the 1438 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:55.960 franchise and the roster as a whole. There are some 1439 01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:59.319 decent bones beyond Diego Luna. I know, you know, a 1440 01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:05.720 Mecca is a potential MLS, you know, all eleven caliber player, 1441 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.520 and there are some nice bit pieces, but Diego Luna 1442 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:12.880 is a pretty damn good starting off point if you 1443 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.159 want to say, like, this is the guy we want 1444 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:17.960 to build our team around. And maybe I'm gonna get 1445 01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:20.039 lazy here and I'm going to do the sports radio 1446 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:23.199 thing and say, like, does it make sense to compare 1447 01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.680 having a Diego Luna to a Donovan Mitchell type figure 1448 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:30.600 perhaps in the MLS RSL soccer realm. I don't think 1449 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:34.560 it's that far off. If you talk about a young, dynamic, 1450 01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:39.840 very you know, tantalizing player that that has captivated the 1451 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:43.239 heart and soul of your of your fan base that 1452 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:48.279 has been through the Ringer in the last five years. 1453 01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:50.840 If he wants to stay and you can pay him 1454 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.399 the wages that he will eventually deserve if his star 1455 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:56.680 continues to climb, then it makes sense to build around him. 1456 01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:01.239 Now their problem isn't you know, the potentially ditching that ethos. 1457 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:04.720 Their problem is is they have to figure out that 1458 01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:07.319 the new Ethos is going out and spending a lot 1459 01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:11.479 of money, more money than RSL historically ever has. And 1460 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:15.079 I know last year they sold Oner Skomas for reported 1461 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:18.199 twelve to fourteen million and the Barajas Kid went to 1462 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.119 achieve us for like four to five. But really, if 1463 01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:24.760 you think about it, in the annals of RSL history, 1464 01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.119 those are really kind of the two big transfers. RSEL 1465 01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:32.560 hasn't really developed any other players at least especially out 1466 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:35.119 of their academy system that have gone on to become 1467 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:40.279 big time purchases from clubs overseas or on this continent. 1468 01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:44.960 So great on you on you know, getting Pablo to 1469 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:50.520 divulge some accidental journalism. I know that's your secret superpower, 1470 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.279 but it's listen, man, this summer is going to be 1471 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:58.920 big and they regardless I think Rsel is kind of 1472 01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:01.439 firmly out of the playoff spot. I think they've already 1473 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.119 lost more games so far this year than they have 1474 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:07.520 than they did in the entirety of twenty twenty four. 1475 01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:10.720 But if, if, if the Millers say they want to 1476 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.560 hold onto players and not sell them, that's great. But 1477 01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:15.279 you have to be willing to spend a whole lot 1478 01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.920 of money to bring in players as good or better 1479 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:19.680 than Diego Luna if you want to prove to your 1480 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:24.039 fan base you're serious about winning there. 1481 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.279 It is, had to do it, had to do it. 1482 01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:29.920 I really don't know what's my favorite? Which one is? 1483 01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:30.680 My favorite? 1484 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:31.159 Ship? 1485 01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:35.199 Is the SEC rules If I'm honest, Roman is the 1486 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.840 Big twelve is incredible? But you know Connor is the 1487 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.439 Pac twelve seems to work? Yeah, do you have a favorite? 1488 01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:42.239 Before I set you this? 1489 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.239 Connor is the Pac full for sure? An independent you know, 1490 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.920 living off the grid on the West coast, you know 1491 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.600 Connor living in that New Mexico, you know mansion you 1492 01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:55.199 know north of Santa Fe. It just plays that hits 1493 01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:55.840 for me the most. 1494 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:57.159 Give me a Nixon six. 1495 01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:03.720 K are we are? We are? We worried about what 1496 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:06.880 Tyrese Haliburton and Miles Turner can do in the pick 1497 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:08.439 and roll. Are we worried about. 1498 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:10.600 Look at you? Look at you? We are not, but 1499 01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.840 I appreciate the ball breaked out all right. Let me 1500 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.600 know if you need any restaurant rex. I'm sure you're 1501 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.159 well taken care of save travels. Thanks for the time, Bud, 1502 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.920 appreciate you. Chris com Roddy from the Athletic got Lou says, 1503 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:26.600 it always does. Going to bring in our friend Spencer 1504 01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:31.800 Linton from BYUTV covers BYU Athletics, So join us at 1505 01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:35.520 about fifteen minutes from right now. We will talk to 1506 01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:38.680 Spencer about the news broken by the Salt Lake Tribune 1507 01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:42.479 at about one forty five mountain time, so ten to 1508 01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:44.640 fifteen minutes before we crack the mic here in the 1509 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.960 afternoon drive space, the BYU quarterback jak Rreetzlov has been 1510 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.680 accused of sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit. 1511 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:52.960 So we'll talk to Spencer about that. 1512 01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:57.359 Obviously, just an unfortunate situation, one that's not easy to 1513 01:14:57.399 --> 01:14:59.960 talk about, one that's not not easy to kind of unpack. 1514 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.479 But that broke not too long ago, So we'll get 1515 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:05.960 to Spencer Litton coming up on the other side of 1516 01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:09.640 four o'clock. Dave mcmannimon joins us for our NBA Daily 1517 01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:13.760 Assists Today. News broke right when we started the show. Actually, 1518 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:19.000 SGA Shay Gilgas Alexander is your MVP for the NBA, 1519 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.840 an announcement that took a long time to kind of 1520 01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.760 permeate throughout the news cycle. I'm not sure why the 1521 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:29.960 NBA decided to wait that long. So we'll get to 1522 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.840 Dave McManaman, we'll do some NBA playoffs, and then we'll 1523 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:37.079 also get to some NBA Draft stuff, as the Jazz 1524 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.319 have two first round picks two second round picks as well. 1525 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:43.199 Reminder that we will have great draft night coverage on 1526 01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:47.800 June the twenty fifth. I will anchor the show and 1527 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:51.119 it will be Gordy Chiasa and Richard Smith smity forty 1528 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:54.279 years with the Utah Jazz. Gordy of course, a lifetime 1529 01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:58.000 in both college and pro basketball coaching with some of 1530 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:00.720 the Titans in the business, of course, not your Jerry Sloan, 1531 01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:04.760 Rick Patino and others. Gordy's the best, and obviously Smitty 1532 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:08.359 rules as well. So don't forget we will get you 1533 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:08.960 taken care of. 1534 01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:13.720 In that direction. Did you watch Succession? Did you? Uh? 1535 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:18.239 Did you tune into Succession? I remember I haven't finished it. 1536 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.039 You still haven't finished Succession? 1537 01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.279 I don't think so. All right, but I did. I 1538 01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:25.680 did get into it. It's a good show, it is. 1539 01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:29.279 I do think I need to to catch up on. 1540 01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:32.159 Chris Camrodnie joined us last segment and it got loose. 1541 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:36.920 We decided to draw parallels between Succession characters and conferences 1542 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:37.880 in college football. 1543 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.600 Uh c K is in New York where. 1544 01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:43.880 College football, the college Football round Table from the heavy 1545 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:46.760 hitters at the athletic are all gathering. Uh So that's 1546 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.520 kind of driven the majority of the show today. 1547 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:51.560 All Right, Porter, I've waited. 1548 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:56.760 I've waited almost two hours to ask you confidence level tonight, 1549 01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.520 Midtown Manhattan, New York Knicks, Indiana Pacers. 1550 01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:02.560 The Knicks are a four point five point favorite. 1551 01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:05.199 I've listened to a lot of back and forth, a 1552 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.720 lot of NBA podcasts, I've checked out the news cycle today. 1553 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.760 I ignore anything Steven A. Smith has to say. Reminder, 1554 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:19.840 the Eastern Conference finals luckily are on TNT ESPN as 1555 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:22.760 the West, and therefore you do not have to explain 1556 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:23.880 to your children that Steven A. 1557 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:25.520 Smith does not actually play for the next. 1558 01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:29.319 And I don't think there's a consensus about this series. 1559 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.159 I've heard a lot of Pacers picks. I've heard a 1560 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:33.520 lot of Knicks picks. What's your confidence level in the 1561 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:34.000 New York Next. 1562 01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:36.840 I don't think there should be a consensus because it's 1563 01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:41.119 it's a series that I think should be really competitive. Now, 1564 01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.800 the one thing that gives me semblance of hope is 1565 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:47.279 that what we saw in the last series against the 1566 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:54.239 Boston Celtics was a team kind of full of players 1567 01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:56.920 that you would like to if you were to create 1568 01:17:56.920 --> 01:18:00.399 players in a lab to throw at Jalen Brunsonlics have 1569 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:05.039 them all, Drew Holliday, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown. You go 1570 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:07.520 down the list and you kind of have everything you need, 1571 01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:10.760 everything you would want in a Swiss army knife to 1572 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:14.319 throw at a player like Jalen Brunson, And they didn't 1573 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:19.239 have an answer. Indiana doesn't have a player better than 1574 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:22.720 any of those guys. Now, Indiana has some, as you mentioned, 1575 01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:25.079 some dogs on the defensive ends, some guys that are 1576 01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:28.920 are young and hungry and really fun to watch and 1577 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:32.399 really aggressive, But they don't have defenders that are necessarily 1578 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:37.319 any better than Tatum, Brown and Holiday so confident about 1579 01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:42.600 the Knick's ability to get theirs, and the series might 1580 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.520 come down to, similar to the last one, the Knicks 1581 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:52.239 ability Annobie mckel bridges the defensive wings. They have their 1582 01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:56.560 ability to bother Tyrese Halliburn, to bother Indiana and force 1583 01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:00.119 someone else to beat you. That may be what it's 1584 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:03.840 a big picture very simply decides the series. 1585 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:08.960 You know, Jalen might be approaching that level of an 1586 01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.319 offensive player, did it might not matter who's on him. 1587 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:16.199 I mean really like you referenced Drew Holliday, Derek White 1588 01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:20.399 and then switches before Tatum went down, Like New York 1589 01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:22.279 would try to get the switch if Porzingis was in 1590 01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:25.640 the game, if Cornette was in the game, even Horford 1591 01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:28.239 as well. But if it's any of the four perimeter 1592 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:31.319 players and you're trying to get the right switch on Jalen, 1593 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:34.439 you're up a creek without a paddle against Boston on paper. 1594 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:37.000 Because it's Jalen Brown who's six A, it's Jason Tatum 1595 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:37.479 is six eight. 1596 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:38.920 It's true Holliday he was six y four. 1597 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.159 It's Derek White who six three sixty four, and it 1598 01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:45.399 it didn't matter you know, I was listening to Raja 1599 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:49.439 Bell our guy Howard Beck does a podcast with Raja 1600 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:52.800 Bell called The Real Ones and Rajah Bell former jazz 1601 01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:57.560 man by the way, phenomenal NBA analyst on the podcast, 1602 01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:01.159 spas on the radio and TV space. ESPN could take 1603 01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:03.720 a look at him instead of Perk. But anyway, Roger 1604 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:06.520 does a really good job. And I was listening to 1605 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:08.880 him break down kind of how he would guard Jalen, 1606 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.840 and he kind of admitted, like the level that Jalen 1607 01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:15.760 Brunson has ascended to, a lot of it is making 1608 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.800 him uncomfortable and hope you just hope you miss his shots. 1609 01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:21.239 That's really kind of what it is. 1610 01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:23.199 Just try to get him off the spots, try to 1611 01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:28.000 make him uncomfortable. I do anticipate Andrew Nemhart is a pest. 1612 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:31.560 He is a pest, and so is TJ McConnell. And 1613 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:36.800 Indiana has all these different dudes that aren't necessarily on paper, 1614 01:20:37.079 --> 01:20:40.800 the same size as the Boston Celtic perimeter defenders. But 1615 01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:43.600 I wouldn't be surprised if we see aaron Ne Smith 1616 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.800 get some time on him. I wouldn't be some Benedict 1617 01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:48.479 Matherin wants to fight the world he does, you know, 1618 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:52.119 and so I wouldn't be surprised if you see Andrew 1619 01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:55.880 nemhard TJ McConnell, any of these perimeter players picking Jalen 1620 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:58.199 up full court, making him work for five or six 1621 01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.560 seconds to bring the ball up the floor. And then 1622 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:02.279 the biggest thing you have to do with an offensive 1623 01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:06.439 player who's elevated himself to this level is and certainly 1624 01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:09.079 the way they're officiating the playoffs if you've tuned in, 1625 01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:11.439 and by the way ratings through the roof people are 1626 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.399 watching NBA playoffs, with the way they're officiating the stuff 1627 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:18.880 they are allowing, a ton of hand checking, a ton 1628 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:22.039 of physicality. Rajah was saying it kind of reminds him 1629 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:24.760 of when he was playing. I mean, it's like nineties basketball. 1630 01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.760 You are allowed to control movement of an offensive player 1631 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:29.960 with your physicality. 1632 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:32.920 So pick him up full court Jalen. 1633 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:35.119 You know, he brings the ball down, gets rid of it, 1634 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:37.359 passes it to the wing, and then you just make 1635 01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:39.359 it really difficult for him to get the ball back, 1636 01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:41.840 whether it's face guard, whether it's blitz off pick and roll, 1637 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:44.000 and then you just have to make him work as 1638 01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:47.800 much as it possibly can and the unfortunate part porter 1639 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:51.800 about this whole thing is Halliburton can have a bad game, 1640 01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:55.159 and you know, people forget Pascal Siakan was an All Star, 1641 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:57.439 and they've been able to get some offensive punch from 1642 01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:00.000 some of these other players. And we've seen some good 1643 01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.680 mckel bridges for quarters, We've seen some good Ogannoobee games. 1644 01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:06.279 I think so much of this has to do with Kat. 1645 01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:08.159 I think so much of this series has to do 1646 01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:12.279 with Kat. But if Jalen can't be Jalen, this series 1647 01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:14.720 concerns me. I mean, I really think the Basers have 1648 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.199 a chance if they can make Jalen work and then 1649 01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:20.000 put him in blender situations. On the other end, I'm 1650 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:22.600 not sure if you can hide Jalen in this series. 1651 01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:25.720 My guess is OG's going to get the Halliburton assignment, 1652 01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:27.399 not not Jalen Brunson. 1653 01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:29.560 They'll probably put him on nem Hard or even Nie 1654 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:34.000 Smith a little bit. But if Jalen isn't Jalen, it's different. 1655 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:34.199 Man. 1656 01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:36.319 Halliburton can have an off game and the Pacers can win, 1657 01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:37.199 and that concerns me. 1658 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:41.119 Yeah, And that's why when you bring up Karl Anthony Towns, 1659 01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:44.199 I think that is that is a huge X factor 1660 01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:47.039 in this series, just because you know it's the other 1661 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:52.399 guys that you may turn to because New York has 1662 01:22:52.479 --> 01:22:57.920 the personnel mckel Bridges, Josh Hart even you go to 1663 01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.359 the to the bench with McBride and others to row 1664 01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:04.760 bodies at Tyrese Haliburton to really, you know, as you said, 1665 01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:06.800 pick him up the full court, do similar things with 1666 01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:11.000 Tyresee that the Pacers are going to try with Jalen Brunson, 1667 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:17.119 and because of that, yeah, it's going to be what 1668 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:19.479 can mckel bridges do on the offensive e vent what 1669 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:22.560 can Passcal Siakam, as you said, a former All Star 1670 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.920 do on the offensive event now that the bright lights 1671 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.199 are on. That's a guy who's been a huge part 1672 01:23:29.319 --> 01:23:32.960 of really deep playoff runs. So you look at Pascal 1673 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:35.000 Siakam and yeah, I think you look at Karl Anthony 1674 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:40.680 Towns because the team that gets the most out of 1675 01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:43.600 the other guys. Not that Karl Anthony Towns is another 1676 01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:47.880 guy in this roster, but you know, not your number 1677 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:50.640 one option. The team that gets the most out of 1678 01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:53.479 those players, I think is not a hot take, but 1679 01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:55.319 they're going to be in the in the driver's sea here. 1680 01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:58.159 Are you aware that Karl Anthony Towns has now developed 1681 01:23:58.159 --> 01:23:59.119 a New York accent? 1682 01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:01.319 I saw that, did you get I sent you the tweet? 1683 01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:04.399 Yeah, you either sent me a tweet a message with 1684 01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:08.319 him a postgame interview, he sounded like a Sopranos character 1685 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:08.920 all of a sudden. 1686 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:09.479 What was that? 1687 01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:11.159 Now he did grow up in New Jersey, but I 1688 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:12.680 want to be clear, I've been listening to my man 1689 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.039 be interviewed since he was eighteen years old. That came 1690 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:17.119 out of knowing he's never had a New York accent. 1691 01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:20.319 It was a less no Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly 1692 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:23.279 when he moved down LSU and suddenly out of Southern accent. 1693 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:27.239 That is the That is such clown behavior, Like, don't 1694 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.000 do that. You don't have to fake an accent. We've 1695 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.119 been listening to Kat be interviewed for literally fifteen years 1696 01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:35.119 or so because he was such a highly sought after 1697 01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:38.119 high school player ruck a pock. You know, like he's 1698 01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:40.800 dropping the New York hard and he's never had a 1699 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:44.359 New York accent. I gotta be honest, man, there's a 1700 01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:46.520 little corniness to him that I have a hard time getting. 1701 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.359 Oh, one hundred percent there is a little bit of 1702 01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:51.920 the the same stuff we talk about with Donovan a 1703 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:54.880 little bit right, and that Carl goes with, but hey, 1704 01:24:56.119 --> 01:25:00.119 I never know how to like it's not so one 1705 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.760 thing you can like quantify or identify. Really it's just 1706 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:07.680 a weird, like performative thing. I like in it too. 1707 01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:10.119 And this is really more of a case with Donovan. 1708 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:13.159 You know, when you have the two K the video 1709 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:15.720 game and you play the career and you have like 1710 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:17.800 you go through like there's an interview, or you're in 1711 01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:20.439 the GM's office and you have like circle X square 1712 01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:24.560 and you can respond to conversations with those yep. When 1713 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:28.399 Donovan Mitchell is getting interviewed, and sometimes Karl Anthony Towns Spence, 1714 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:30.399 I feel like someone is sitting there pressing circle. 1715 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.840 It's such a good pressing X, It's such a good call. 1716 01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.720 Little performance stuff, oh big time. And the other problem is, Kat, 1717 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:40.399 we have hundreds of hours of you giving interviews and 1718 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:43.439 you've never talked like that in your life. One more 1719 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:47.800 basketball topic that's been permeating throughout the course of the 1720 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:52.640 conversation last night and today, Jay Gilge Alexander foul Merchant, 1721 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:54.960 do you have an issue with this or is this 1722 01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:57.239 a skill that you need to win basketball game? 1723 01:25:57.279 --> 01:25:57.920 It's not new. 1724 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:02.319 James Harden is kind of perfected this side. Then on 1725 01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:06.640 that list, Jonovvian Mitchell, absolutely, and it's not limited to 1726 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:08.840 those guys. You can go back to the list of 1727 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:11.800 all time greats. Karl Malone was really good at getting 1728 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:13.800 to the free throw line. He did it with more physicality. 1729 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:16.760 He did it more so instigating contact and then just 1730 01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:18.840 being bigger and stronger than you, so it kind of 1731 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:20.039 like forced you into fouling him. 1732 01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:21.600 Right, Shaquille O'Neil did the same thing. 1733 01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:25.000 Getting to the free throw line is is an art, 1734 01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:29.159 but there is a line where you know, I don't 1735 01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:34.960 I don't mind people getting frustrated with like non basketball moves. 1736 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:38.680 There have been some rules, some of them seemed almost 1737 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:44.479 James Harden, I say, inspired the three point one where 1738 01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:46.640 you're kind of kicking your foot out, like. There are 1739 01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:50.920 are un natural basketball moves that I do think should 1740 01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:55.680 be taken out of the game and not necessarily ruled against. Right, 1741 01:26:56.199 --> 01:27:00.239 but officials in the NBA should be trained to watch 1742 01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:04.359 specifically things like that. Right when when James Harden is 1743 01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:08.479 kind of baiting folks in and then ripping through. That's 1744 01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:12.640 that's something that's it's difficult to officiate. I don't mind 1745 01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:16.800 the uh the let them play through it a little bit, 1746 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:20.000 especially when it's guys like SGA, it's guys like James 1747 01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:23.359 Harden who they lean into it a little bit more 1748 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:24.279 than more than others. 1749 01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.079 Chris Paul like, there's a lot of guys that have. 1750 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:30.159 Done there are two specific offensive movements right now that 1751 01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:33.600 the NBA, in my opinion, needs to look at. One 1752 01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:36.720 is the Jokic and I love Jokic, okay. One is 1753 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:39.760 the jokicic. I am going to trap your arm under 1754 01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:44.720 my armpit, yep, and then turn around and then flail. 1755 01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:46.359 As if you're the one that was grabbing me. Steven 1756 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:48.399 Adams gets a bunch of calls that way too. It's 1757 01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:49.279 such bs. 1758 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.119 And the other one and this is Donovan is the 1759 01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:56.760 worst with this one, simply throwing your head back. Gordon Hayward. 1760 01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:59.760 Hayward's bad at it. And you know we gotta be 1761 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:01.880 on our guy. Jalen does it a bit yep, big 1762 01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:05.039 body Brunson, our guy Perk, shout out Perk. But the 1763 01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:07.439 whole driving to the bucket and then you just get 1764 01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:09.479 touched and you throw your head back. 1765 01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:11.279 Makes it look like you've received contact. 1766 01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:15.640 It's cheating. It should be eliminated from the game altogether. 1767 01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:18.039 And here's what I'll give Shay. I mean, Shay is 1768 01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:21.920 six' eight, Physical he can handle. It his angles are. 1769 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:26.079 Impeccable where there's some calls last night that upon review were, Horrific, 1770 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.359 yes BUT i think he has become like a master 1771 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:32.439 at his craft in a way That jordan. Did you, 1772 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:34.319 know with the ability to handle the ball with your 1773 01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:37.399 size and strength and your speed and understand. Angles and 1774 01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:40.359 if you're a defensive player GUARDING sga these, days you 1775 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:43.239 have to be so disciplined with angles and understand that 1776 01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:46.000 he is going to take this straight line and then 1777 01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:48.840 date you into believing he's moving in a different. Direction 1778 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.199 and then if you make a mistake as a defender 1779 01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:52.960 with your, footwork he is going to take advantage of. 1780 01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:55.119 You and that to me is a skill set that 1781 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:59.000 should be rewarded if the contact is. Merited, now if 1782 01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:01.800 you don't touch like a couple times last, night, SURE 1783 01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.159 i just thought he was taking a lot of crap 1784 01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:08.359 for the dark arts of pro basketball that so many, 1785 01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:11.359 great great players have capitalized down over the, years so we'll, 1786 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:13.680 see we'll catch a quick. Break we're gonna do a 1787 01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:17.000 quick hit coming up With Spencer linton FROM. Byu we're 1788 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.399 going to talk about the news reported by The Salt 1789 01:29:19.439 --> 01:29:21.640 Lake tribune That jake has been accused of sexual assault 1790 01:29:21.680 --> 01:29:25.159 in a new civil. Lawsuit then we will bring In dave. 1791 01:29:25.239 --> 01:29:28.199 Mcminnimon so keep it right here on this Beautiful wednesday. 1792 01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:34.000 Afternoon we GOT nhl playoffs and THE Nba playoffs, Tonight 1793 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:36.760 Eastern Conference Finals game one between The knicks and The 1794 01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:40.640 pacers on the Fan Dallas, edmonton six o'clock here ON 1795 01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:43.600 espn seven, hundreds so stay tuned for. That all, right 1796 01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:45.359 let's get out to the phone, lines bringing our Buddy 1797 01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:47.880 Spencer LINTON BYU tv style on A wednesday. 1798 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.000 Afternoon, Spencer Happy. Wednesday how are we doing. 1799 01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:51.600 Doing? 1800 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.880 Well? Man great to talk with you and always to 1801 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:54.399 be on your. 1802 01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.800 Show interesting day to say the, least it. 1803 01:29:56.840 --> 01:29:59.600 IS i appreciate the time and for our. Listeners spencer 1804 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:02.640 is a B yu, employee so let's get that out. 1805 01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:05.319 There AND i know there are portions of this that 1806 01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:07.600 you probably can't even talk, about but because it is 1807 01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:10.960 news and very, newsworthy this sol A tribune has reported 1808 01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:13.600 THAT byu Quarterback Jake Rhetz laugh has been accused of 1809 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:15.439 sexual assault in a new civil. 1810 01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.600 Lawsuit no criminal charges have been. 1811 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:21.560 Filed so just your, thoughts what you, know your your 1812 01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:23.199 reaction to the, news and then let's go from. 1813 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:28.640 There, obviously as an employee of, university we have been 1814 01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:33.760 cautioned to let the courts kind of pan out and 1815 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:38.760 and let what happens. Happen AND i don't want to 1816 01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:40.840 offer any type of opinion that's going to put the 1817 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.840 university in a bad light or shed any type of 1818 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:47.960 or make people think That I'm i'm offering an official, 1819 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:49.319 statement so certainly not doing. 1820 01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:51.159 THAT i will add. 1821 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:51.920 A couple of blanket. 1822 01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.319 Statements, One i'm glad that you pointed out that this 1823 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:56.640 is a civil, case it is not a criminal. Case 1824 01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:00.399 those two things are very, different and there been no 1825 01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:06.439 criminal charges. Filed, secondly it's unfortunate for all parties, involved 1826 01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:10.159 and so my hope is that this thing can be 1827 01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:15.680 settled fairly and, promptly and that all parties involved can 1828 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:19.560 go on and move forward or bounce back in whatever 1829 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:25.800 capacity they. Can but it's an unfortunate situation to say the, 1830 01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:29.600 least and the timing is never, good but again just 1831 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:32.560 wanted to double down on AND i hope all parties 1832 01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:35.560 can can get to a place where they can move 1833 01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:39.920 forward and that there will be no significant and weighty 1834 01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:42.880 lasting repercussions from. 1835 01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:46.760 This we do have this from a, gentleman you, KNOW 1836 01:31:46.840 --> 01:31:49.439 i believe It's mark about who is the legal counsel 1837 01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:52.720 for jacobreets. Laugh he just Releases David he said, QUOTE 1838 01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:54.439 i am the counsel For jake rhets. 1839 01:31:54.520 --> 01:31:56.279 Laugh i've met. Him he's a nice young. 1840 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.319 Man he's also factually, innocent and we look forward to 1841 01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:01.800 proving that inn Since jake's focus this year will be on. 1842 01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:04.800 Football we don't try cases in the. Media we will 1843 01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:08.439 respect the process and Establish jake's innocence through the judicial. 1844 01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:11.520 System so we have a statement From jake's, Lawyer So 1845 01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:17.159 spencer again understanding acknowledging the sensitivities and complications of topics 1846 01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:19.760 such as, this and even drying a parallel or being 1847 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:22.199 a analogous to anything feels. 1848 01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:22.359 A little bit of. 1849 01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:25.840 Toose BUT byu in the past has shown they have 1850 01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:28.279 zero tolerance for any of. This, obviously there is an 1851 01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:31.399 honor code that anyone who attends the university signs and 1852 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:33.960 has to abide by and if they, don't they are 1853 01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:37.199 subject to. Punishment Namely Brandon davies who played for a 1854 01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:40.000 basketball team that could have gone to A final four 1855 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:42.239 and maybe even beyond. That we all remember, it And 1856 01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:45.880 brandon this is. Different brandon was not, sued he was 1857 01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:49.279 not charged with a, crime but he was found to 1858 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:52.199 violate the honor code and suspend it for THE ncaa. Tournament, 1859 01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:55.520 so as somebody that understands the process behind the, scenes 1860 01:32:56.199 --> 01:32:58.520 how do these things play, out how do these things 1861 01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:00.680 kind of, work what's next in the, process as we 1862 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:03.119 Allow jake his due, process as we're all allowed as 1863 01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:04.039 citizens of The United. 1864 01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:08.640 States, again to be, Clear i'm not an expert in 1865 01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:12.479 the matters of the specifics of how this will be 1866 01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:17.680 handled within the university and the athletics. Department WHAT i 1867 01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:20.439 can assure people of is that it will be very 1868 01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:25.199 thorough and it will be very calculated so that there 1869 01:33:25.199 --> 01:33:31.159 can be a firm and fair understanding in every facet of, 1870 01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:36.079 this and that the university they hold themselves to the 1871 01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:41.319 highest level of integrity and no doubt they will work 1872 01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:46.239 with a lot of character and, again the highest integrity 1873 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:51.000 to make sure that they have fully examined the entire 1874 01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:56.840 situation before offering up any type of, penalty if it 1875 01:33:56.960 --> 01:34:01.960 even comes to. That BUT i do trust the process 1876 01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:06.680 that is involved, there and this is a this is a, 1877 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:10.800 challenge no, doubt for the new athletic, director Brand santiago 1878 01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:14.479 to encounter this so early in his. Tenure BUT i 1879 01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:18.800 have the utmost confidence in the administration And brian and 1880 01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:22.239 The Honor Code. Office it's been revamped and, frankly it 1881 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:28.920 has taken, on by, necessity an approach THAT i feel 1882 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:33.039 is better than it's ever. Been and So i'll leave 1883 01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:35.439 it at. That i'm confident that the due process will 1884 01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:38.439 will play out and that they'll handle this the right 1885 01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:42.119 and proper, way and every stone will go turned over 1886 01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:45.680 and they'll get to a, resolution and then whatever happens after, 1887 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:46.680 that then so be. 1888 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:49.000 It you, know this does lend itself to a bigger, 1889 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.439 conversation so away from the specifics Of jake and time 1890 01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:55.880 will you, know time will manifest how this thing plays. 1891 01:34:55.920 --> 01:34:59.279 Out but you, KNOW i always kind of roll my 1892 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:02.920 eyes When i've right here at Talking head discussed the 1893 01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:06.039 Honor code AT byu and if an athlete has found 1894 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:08.600 in violation and is. Punished there are a lot of 1895 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:10.920 people that are in media and sports soccer radio that 1896 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:12.800 decide to crack a mic and, say, well they need 1897 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:14.319 to do away with the honor. Code they need to 1898 01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.159 change the honor. Code it's, like, dude you don't get. 1899 01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:19.760 It you don't, Understand like it is part of THE 1900 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:24.479 dna of THE byu. Experience it's part of exactly you, 1901 01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:27.760 know why people go there and why people in charge 1902 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.479 of the institution take it so deathly. Serious it will 1903 01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:32.680 never be changed no matter how many athletes get in. 1904 01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:35.479 Trouble AND i just wonder if you could kind of 1905 01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:38.039 elaborate on that a little, bit because you, know over the, 1906 01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:40.239 years you hear The jim McMahon, stories you hear the 1907 01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:43.640 Way lavelle handled. Things The gary crochten years of course 1908 01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:47.279 got really loose And Bronco menenhaal was tasked to clean 1909 01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:50.119 up that, program which was in a way like being 1910 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:52.119 asked to clean up after A Led zeppelin. Party And 1911 01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:55.520 bronco did exactly that brought a lot of law and, 1912 01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:57.399 order for lack of a better, term and a lot 1913 01:35:57.439 --> 01:36:01.119 of you, know more of a drenching approach like, no 1914 01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:04.359 we ARE, byu and we will be front facing about our, 1915 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:08.199 faith even if it's after football games during press, conferences 1916 01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:11.039 And klanie is not as in your face As bronco 1917 01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:14.439 is about. That but throughout the course of your time 1918 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:17.319 attending the, institution working for the, institution what do you 1919 01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:20.880 make of kind of conversations that take place surrounding the 1920 01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:23.199 honor code and people that have the nerve to, say, 1921 01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:25.880 well if it's going to affect our athletic, department we 1922 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:28.520 need to look at the honor code instead of the athletic. 1923 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:32.119 Department so enlighten us a little bit on this conversation 1924 01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:33.800 that's permeated THROUGHOUT byu for. 1925 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:34.279 Decades. 1926 01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:38.199 Yeah, sure and a loaded, topic no doubt about, it 1927 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:40.600 as you've touched on several aspects right. There but WHAT 1928 01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:44.399 i have observed and experienced really especially in the past few, 1929 01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:50.840 years is the university leaning into this rather than pushing 1930 01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:54.199 it away or even coaches trying to say, like, yeah 1931 01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:56.359 you can work through the, art we'll figure it. Out, 1932 01:36:56.399 --> 01:37:00.479 no they have embraced, it Especially Coloni sataki And Kevin 1933 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:02.960 young and all of the current head coaches as a 1934 01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:07.319 source of, strength which is to, say, look we do 1935 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:11.000 have this rule system and honor code put in, place 1936 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:14.840 but we believe it empowers you to show self discipline 1937 01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:17.600 and to be committed to a cause and committed to 1938 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:23.680 a team that will further unify you and allow us 1939 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:26.840 to focus on just the sport and the school and 1940 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:29.800 the things that matter the. Most and so they have. 1941 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:31.119 AMEN i say they. 1942 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:34.199 The coach is an athletic department in large, part have 1943 01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:42.159 really dived into this as a way to galvanize an entire. 1944 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:45.680 Department and all of the athletes, say, look you're you're 1945 01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:50.279 all following, this but let's view it as an opportunity 1946 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:53.119 and as something that you have committed to and a 1947 01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:56.079 source of strength and something that will help you build your. 1948 01:37:56.199 --> 01:38:01.920 Character AND i wish we had enough time to talk 1949 01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:05.680 about all the particulars in, this BUT i have appreciated 1950 01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:09.479 watching a guy Like Kevin young tell his players and his, 1951 01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:13.319 guys we need to stop looking at the honor code 1952 01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.520 as a. Barrier we need to look at it as 1953 01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:22.199 this is something that will allow us to train, ourselves 1954 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.279 to develop our discipline and be. Better and, frankly he 1955 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.960 has said to several athletes speaking Of Coach, young MAYBE 1956 01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:33.399 byu isn't the place for you good, athletes outstanding basketball, 1957 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:37.359 players but he's very, clear if you don't want to 1958 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:40.239 commit to, this then this isn't the place for. You 1959 01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:43.840 And Kalani satakia has done the, same looking out for 1960 01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:47.800 the athlete and their well, being, saying we are requiring, 1961 01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:50.399 this we view it as something that is good and. 1962 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:54.279 Strong but if you don't want this, life then we 1963 01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:57.399 wish you the, best we love, you we support, you 1964 01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:00.239 but MAYBE byu is not that place for. You you 1965 01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:05.279 and so with that, said It i'm with. 1966 01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:06.399 You it's it's just. 1967 01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:09.520 Tough like everybody wants to offer an opinion when there 1968 01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:15.279 is a penalty handed down or some player is suspended or. Whatever, 1969 01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:20.359 look could we be, Frank we're all trying and nobody 1970 01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:24.119 is going to be. PERFECT i believe THAT byu does 1971 01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:28.560 their best to help athletes in this more disciplined culture 1972 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:31.920 stick to. It there will be slip, ups there will 1973 01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:36.319 be mistakes and now it's become like a kay let's 1974 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:40.319 lift and. Love sometimes there are are consequences and, repercussions 1975 01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:42.479 but what doesn't mean we love you any less and 1976 01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:44.600 then we don't want you to get you, know back 1977 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:52.039 to whatever the full status, is it's it's about that. 1978 01:39:52.199 --> 01:39:53.760 Phrase but that's what this is the. 1979 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.840 Emphasis this is the heart of that What Kilanie sataki talks, 1980 01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:57.560 about which. 1981 01:39:57.439 --> 01:39:59.720 Is there will be, mistakes but we. 1982 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:04.920 This where we stand and and help you get back 1983 01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:09.159 and be a full part of this. Team so that's 1984 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:11.840 kind of just What i've noticed in the past few 1985 01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:15.600 years is not try and this is a hurdle or 1986 01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:18.560 a barrier or something to avoid or something that let's 1987 01:40:18.600 --> 01:40:21.520 go all in and, say, hey what do you care most? 1988 01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:28.960 About you out of, line be as you, know as 1989 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:32.439 dedicated as you possibly, can and this will help us 1990 01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:35.800 actually grow stronger as an athletic, community a university and 1991 01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:37.159 certainly galvanize our. 1992 01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:40.720 Teams last, thing and Then i'll set you loose on this. 1993 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:44.319 SPENCER i wonder if you, can because you, KNOW i 1994 01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:47.439 don't know what the process is as far as the, 1995 01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:51.520 athletes you, know sitting down with the coaches the administrators 1996 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:56.000 to sign the honor. Code but my very strong, guests 1997 01:40:56.159 --> 01:40:59.720 having five siblings that went TO byu and having parents 1998 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:04.359 that went TO byu, together there's no, ambiguity, CORRECT i 1999 01:41:04.359 --> 01:41:07.920 mean there's there's it's very very clear what is expected 2000 01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:10.840 of you when you sign THE houto. Code and decide 2001 01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:13.039 to be a student athlete AT, byu, Correct like there's 2002 01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:14.880 no ambiguity in that, process. 2003 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:18.000 No and that that they have done a great job 2004 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:19.479 of really doubling down on that. 2005 01:41:19.560 --> 01:41:22.960 Lately like you, know you know what the rules, are 2006 01:41:23.079 --> 01:41:25.960 you know what's expected of, you what is, allowed what 2007 01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:31.279 is not. Allowed that has become crystal. Clear each athlete 2008 01:41:31.399 --> 01:41:35.680 and student, should AND i believe are educated in such 2009 01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:39.439 to sign after they have a full understanding of what 2010 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:40.920 they are actually committed to. 2011 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:44.439 Do all, right my, Man, well, look there's a lot 2012 01:41:44.439 --> 01:41:46.119 of other things THAT i want to get you back 2013 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:47.760 on to talk. About but of, course the news of 2014 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.439 the day is the news of the, day and there's 2015 01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:52.600 a alleged victim involved in this, situation so it feels 2016 01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:55.359 a little silly to talk. Football but of Course jake 2017 01:41:55.439 --> 01:41:57.479 is the starting quarterback at B, yu and that makes 2018 01:41:57.520 --> 01:42:00.319 this thing a sports soccer radio. Topic you get your 2019 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:02.159 time and willingness to talk about, it. Buddy let's get 2020 01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:03.880 you on soon when we can talk about things that 2021 01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:04.800 are a little bit better than. 2022 01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:06.680 This how about that you got a. 2023 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:09.600 SPENCE i appreciate all you guys, do and we'll talk again. 2024 01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:13.720 Soon and congrats on three thousand. Episodes buddy appreciates your. 2025 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:15.079 Brother that means a. 2026 01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:18.159 Lot here Is Spencer, lynton one of our, favorites works 2027 01:42:18.199 --> 01:42:21.640 FOR BYU, tv host OF Byu Sports, nation joined us 2028 01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:24.479 on a consistent. 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One tonight's world's most famous, 2080 01:44:51.880 --> 01:44:57.520 Arena Midtown, manhattan Four Penn, Plaza Nick, pacers which brings 2081 01:44:57.600 --> 01:44:59.279 up a lot of lot of, emotion a lot of. 2082 01:44:59.319 --> 01:45:01.439 Memories The west got going last. 2083 01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:05.039 Night we'll bring a little lightness to what's other otherwise 2084 01:45:05.079 --> 01:45:06.760 been a very heavy show with some of the local 2085 01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:07.359 news around. 2086 01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:09.399 Here dave mcmanhiman is our. 2087 01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:11.960 Guest according to The Hoop, Collective dave is the slowest 2088 01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:15.359 of THE nba riders to file his pieces at A 2089 01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:17.720 espn dot Com, dave do you care to confirm or? 2090 01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:18.079 Deny? 2091 01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:23.079 WOW i just want to know who dropped that line on. 2092 01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:25.439 Me it will depend on my. 2093 01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:29.760 Answer it was McMahon and then and then cooperated by 2094 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:32.800 Win horse And, bontemps that you by far the slowest 2095 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:33.520 to file your. 2096 01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:34.319 Pieces is that? 2097 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:38.479 TRUE i may just have more of an art and a. 2098 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:42.079 Craft you. Know they might be slipping burgers And i'm 2099 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:45.359 putting together a meal for my. Readers, okay that would 2100 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:48.920 be my response to. That so McMahon left by what 2101 01:45:49.319 --> 01:45:51.880 seven or eight minutes prior to me, yesterday and he's 2102 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:54.359 taken a victory lap for. That, okay good for you. 2103 01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:57.680 Too so the real question is in, general who is the? 2104 01:45:57.720 --> 01:46:01.000 SLOWEST i, mean. 2105 01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:02.840 It might be, true that might be true on the. Slowest, 2106 01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:06.199 yeah you, KNOW i also THINK i have more of 2107 01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:10.600 a vocabulary rolodex in my mind to flip through than they. 2108 01:46:10.640 --> 01:46:12.199 Do SO i love. 2109 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:13.840 It where do? We where do we find? You on 2110 01:46:13.880 --> 01:46:14.279 this Fine? 2111 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:21.560 Wednesday, Dave Oklahoma, city digesting what was a fun first 2112 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:25.760 half and a avalanche of a thunder wing in the 2113 01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:29.319 second half and wondering what type of series we're going to. 2114 01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:33.319 Get certainly The wolves were pretty confident group today at, 2115 01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:37.359 practice but that's under. Team it's not like they played 2116 01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:40.520 their best Either shay gillis you, know And Shay GILDS 2117 01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:42.119 i was in it starts off in game two for. 2118 01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:46.800 Thirteen they still win by twenty six, Points so we'll 2119 01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:47.560 see how this series. 2120 01:46:47.640 --> 01:46:50.640 Goes acknowledging THAT i do not live in the center Of, 2121 01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:53.560 MILAN i will ask you what does one do on 2122 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:55.119 his day off In Oklahoma? 2123 01:46:55.159 --> 01:47:00.640 City? Work and then actually McMahon AND i found a 2124 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.239 little pickup game with some of THE okc, writers so 2125 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:08.720 to play a little hoops and do a little slow 2126 01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:12.479 writing After i'm done with you and THEN i watch 2127 01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:12.880 the next. 2128 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:15.720 Game you don't sound to be too thrilled to be 2129 01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:19.479 In Oklahoma? City AM i reading this? Correctly that's, Okay it's. 2130 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:23.760 Okay it's a it's a bit of a hike to get, 2131 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:28.199 to not a delta direct type of, city and so 2132 01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:30.920 you know that makes it a little bit more, cumbersome 2133 01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:34.159 but it is a great atmosphere for the, games And 2134 01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:36.680 i'm here for the, games so, yeah, no no real complaints. 2135 01:47:36.680 --> 01:47:38.600 There would you rather be an Okay see Or Salt? 2136 01:47:38.640 --> 01:47:43.000 Lake, well it's like a direct and a lot, Closer 2137 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:44.720 So i'll go Salt lake all. 2138 01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:48.520 Day outside of the Route, dave outside of just your your, 2139 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:51.920 flights it's not bad living around, here, man outside of 2140 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:52.760 just your delta. 2141 01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:57.319 Mind you, KNOW i enjoy uh WHERE i. Stay you, 2142 01:47:57.359 --> 01:48:00.680 know actually There's i've expanded my. Palette there's a few. 2143 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:04.600 Marriottes i'll stay in downtown Salt lake. Now AND i 2144 01:48:04.640 --> 01:48:05.680 do enjoy. 2145 01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.640 The walk to the arena and back and you know 2146 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:12.239 some of the Spots i've been to over the. Years 2147 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:15.319 SO i enjoy Salt lake in the. City no shade 2148 01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:16.720 being thrown by me right. 2149 01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:18.520 Now it's the best you can. 2150 01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:21.880 DO i enjoy the walk to the freaking, arena he, 2151 01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:26.319 says two blocks from my. Marria you know, what Challenge, 2152 01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:29.760 dave next time you're. HERE i don't know when that will. 2153 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:32.800 Be hit me up And i'm going to show you the. City, 2154 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.079 okay there are plenty of things About Salt. Lake you 2155 01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:37.159 need to experience, it clearly you, have and if your 2156 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:40.600 best part is the two block walk to the, ARENA 2157 01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:40.960 i am. 2158 01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:45.319 Down i'm absolutely downb for, that because, Yeah i'm trying 2159 01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:48.640 to like think Of i've been the Red, iguana of, 2160 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:51.920 course which very you, know that was very Good mexican. 2161 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:54.640 MEAL i do do pfchangs a lot In Salt Lake, 2162 01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:58.119 city Which i'm not Knocking, pfchangs But i'm sure there 2163 01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:01.199 are some better non chain that you guys have to, 2164 01:49:01.239 --> 01:49:02.279 Offer so, Yeah i'll pick you. 2165 01:49:02.399 --> 01:49:05.520 Up did you just drop A Pf chang's on? Me 2166 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:13.079 what are you going To chili's before for? Lunch gosh 2167 01:49:13.239 --> 01:49:16.439 day Mcminnimon Salt Lake city fan because he GETS Pf 2168 01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:19.760 changs on us walk to The Delta. Center my, Goodness, 2169 01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:24.960 dave all, right we can move. On so, look last 2170 01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:29.000 night an example of something that we've all. Seen, DUDE 2171 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:31.760 i don't know that anybody left has that. Ceiling okase 2172 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:34.399 hits when they hit that. Ceiling, now we know that 2173 01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:37.439 the first half wasn't, great but when they really turn 2174 01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:39.960 it on, defensively their defense was good in the first 2175 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:42.880 half because it always, is and then all the attention 2176 01:49:43.039 --> 01:49:44.840 was more on the shot making in the second. Half 2177 01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:49.720 But minnesota is a capable offensive basketball team with varied. 2178 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:54.039 Pieces WHEN okc really dials in on defense And shay 2179 01:49:54.159 --> 01:49:57.039 is doing The shay, thing their, Ceiling dave to, me 2180 01:49:57.159 --> 01:49:59.760 is higher than anybody, left and, Honestly i'm not sure it's. 2181 01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:00.560 Club let just give me your. 2182 01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:04.079 THOUGHTS i agree with you on that. ASSESSMENT i think 2183 01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:06.680 that the, team AND i shared it with you before 2184 01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:09.640 THAT i thought had the highest thing was The, celtics 2185 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:12.960 but obviously they're out one and. Two before they go, 2186 01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:17.520 out they got. Injured SO i gave that title along 2187 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:20.680 with you to Okay. See there was a video clip 2188 01:50:21.039 --> 01:50:24.880 of a kind of a bird's eye angle of the 2189 01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:27.640 action last night THAT i saw on some ok see, 2190 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:33.479 blog and it was Tracking Alex caruso fighting through screens 2191 01:50:33.920 --> 01:50:35.720 and basically you can't run pick a roll when he's 2192 01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:39.000 involved because he fights through and gets over every. Screen 2193 01:50:39.399 --> 01:50:42.039 and so you have someone like that who is one 2194 01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:45.239 of three or four wing defenders that they have like, 2195 01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:48.800 that it makes it really hard to get any offense. 2196 01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:51.920 Going and then beyond, that not just a perimeter, defense 2197 01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:55.319 they have really disciplined interior. Defense Or An edwards was, 2198 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:58.439 saying every time he got through a pick a roll 2199 01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:00.840 scenario out on the, perimeter he turned the corner and 2200 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:02.479 he was looking at three or four people in the. 2201 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:05.920 Paint he only had one shot attempt in the paint last. 2202 01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:09.359 Night and beyond, that you, know this is WHERE i 2203 01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:12.119 think there certainly is room for growth for The. Wolves 2204 01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:17.960 they shot terribly five to fifteen from three hundred thirty 2205 01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:22.439 percent on the shots that we track IN espn as 2206 01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:27.640 quote wide open. Looks so you think that theoretically can 2207 01:51:27.640 --> 01:51:29.479 come up a, bit, Right BUT i think you look 2208 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:31.760 at the other, side you, say, well Shat gillis At 2209 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:34.199 vander didn't really have all that good of a, game 2210 01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:37.840 and Its Jalen, williams and it wasn't like it was 2211 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:40.399 a light time game From Chad holger. Either so it's, 2212 01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:43.960 LIKE i don't, KNOW i think it could be pretty 2213 01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:48.640 tough for The wolves to win. Here that doesn't MEAN 2214 01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:51.520 i think it's could be a short series because, certainly you, 2215 01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:54.960 know The wolves have a pretty darn good home court 2216 01:51:54.960 --> 01:51:56.079 advantage Of Target center as. 2217 01:51:56.079 --> 01:51:59.880 Well So i'm a little bit conflicted on the fouls 2218 01:52:00.119 --> 01:52:03.840 off With shay BECAUSE i find it to be a 2219 01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:06.479 bit of an art form when you're able to manipulate 2220 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:08.359 the game a little bit to draw fouls and get 2221 01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:11.520 to the free throw, line especially in the postseason when 2222 01:52:11.680 --> 01:52:15.000 free points like you, know like free throws and layups 2223 01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:19.039 and dunks are at such a. Premium and he's developed 2224 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:22.560 this ability as a six' eight big body dude who 2225 01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:26.079 has great handles and understands angles to really bait defenders into. 2226 01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:29.680 Legitimate fouls, and yes there are the screenshots of nobody 2227 01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:31.439 touching him and him going to, the LINE and i. 2228 01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:34.520 Understand that but over, the, years man we can talk 2229 01:52:34.560 --> 01:52:38.039 about the greatest of, All Time michael jordan becoming a 2230 01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:40.039 bit of a foul. MERCHANT himself i know that's kind 2231 01:52:40.039 --> 01:52:43.680 of a swear word. These days so, and look there are, 2232 01:52:43.960 --> 01:52:47.159 moments where Like when harden kind of kind of was 2233 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:50.000 able to develop his swing, through stuff it felt like it. 2234 01:52:50.039 --> 01:52:52.840 WAS cheating i hate It When donna mitchell throws his 2235 01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:55.840 head back without being touched and gets. The call jokic 2236 01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:58.560 had developed this thing where he hooks you under his 2237 01:52:58.720 --> 01:53:02.159 armpit and. Then flails there are some things that are 2238 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:05.720 irritating and straight. Up Cheating so i'm not really Sure 2239 01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:08.319 where i'm at With the. Shay stuff part of me respects, 2240 01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:10.279 the endeavor then part of me wants the refs to 2241 01:53:10.319 --> 01:53:13.319 call it in a way where, you know you don't 2242 01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:15.880 necessarily reward guys that are trying to cheat. The game 2243 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:19.600 but what's your take on this Conversation surrounding shay after 2244 01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:20.720 last night with fourteen? 2245 01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:22.560 Free, throws well he. 2246 01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:25.720 Had eleven, excuse me he had seven free throws in 2247 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:29.600 the first five minutes of the game and the thunder. Had, 2248 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:32.800 eleven well the wolveshead zero in the, first quarter and, 2249 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:36.159 you're like is? This really is that really a? Fair 2250 01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:39.039 whistle He had it was fourteen for, the game which 2251 01:53:39.079 --> 01:53:43.119 is not an, absurd amount but when he's struggling to 2252 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:47.000 find his shot off of real field goal attempts and 2253 01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:50.840 seemingly is only able to find a rhythm by getting 2254 01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:53.520 to the foul on, That consistently, YOU'RE like i don't 2255 01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:57.239 know a cafe or is? This right, and obviously ever since, 2256 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:01.800 you know Anecdotally About All star break of last season 2257 01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:05.079 of twenty three to, twenty four the refs started to 2258 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:09.520 swallow the whistle a, little bit seemingly in response to 2259 01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:14.920 the league seeing the public apathy towards some of these 2260 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.319 inflated box, score numbers, you know where it's one thirty 2261 01:54:18.399 --> 01:54:19.960 one forty at the end of the game because both 2262 01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:23.720 teams are shooting forty to fifty, free throws and that's 2263 01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:27.880 carried over and it seemingly become intensified in, the playoffs 2264 01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:30.880 where it's kind of let these, guys play and so 2265 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:33.640 if the majority of the players on the court are 2266 01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:36.800 being officiated, that way and then you have one guy 2267 01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:40.239 who is just that good at selling it who isn't 2268 01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:43.600 quite getting the. SAME whistle i think it stands out 2269 01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:47.199 a little. BIT more i think he drew thirteen fouls. 2270 01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:50.920 Last night one of them was reviewed and, taken away 2271 01:54:51.479 --> 01:54:55.279 ends up. WITH twelve i think you probably say half 2272 01:54:55.319 --> 01:54:59.239 of them absolutely, completely legitimate and that half a. Judgment 2273 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:02.439 CALLS and i, don't, know like if you're From the 2274 01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:04.520 minnesota side, of things you want the judgment to go. 2275 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:06.640 Your way if you're with the okay see side, of things, you, Say, 2276 01:55:06.680 --> 01:55:08.840 no certainly THAT'S the mvp of. The league he should 2277 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:11.279 be getting a. Good WHISTLE so i don't think it 2278 01:55:13.439 --> 01:55:16.720 sullies his game to the point you can't enjoy. WATCHING him, 2279 01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:21.640 i actually you know now seen a play about ten times, 2280 01:55:21.640 --> 01:55:26.119 this year and he is really really good to get 2281 01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:29.880 into his thoughts and really. Really skilled, you know that 2282 01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:32.880 little snatch back orribble that he has with salon extended 2283 01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:36.960 like that is one of the most insoftful moves INTO. 2284 01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:40.239 His nba so you tip your. Cap there but, you 2285 01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:43.159 know game flow is never as good as it is 2286 01:55:43.159 --> 01:55:44.079 when there's less. 2287 01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:49.279 Free throws speaking OF said mvp two, part question your 2288 01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:53.159 THOUGHTS on sga receiving the award and do you have 2289 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:55.159 any insight as to why we were all waiting for 2290 01:55:55.199 --> 01:55:55.800 weeks to get. 2291 01:55:55.800 --> 01:55:59.359 THIS news i was disappointed in the league for not. 2292 01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:01.760 ANNOUNCING it, i mean how many times have We, had 2293 01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:04.359 well first, of all let's start. With this, THE league 2294 01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:07.239 i think it was seventeen eighteen is when they started 2295 01:56:07.640 --> 01:56:13.720 to revamp the, awards process and they starting then would announce, the, 2296 01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:17.359 Finalists right so the only reason we knew that the 2297 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:23.680 Finalists included jokic and Hi. Yis alexander obviously logically we, 2298 01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:26.600 knew that but the only way we knew it empirically 2299 01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:29.439 was because the league announced it Back. In april so 2300 01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:32.800 then if you're already giving the public the information and 2301 01:56:32.840 --> 01:56:35.479 then the bracket works out so that you actually have 2302 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:38.039 two of the top three finalists playing one another in 2303 01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:40.399 a playoff series with a trip To The western conference 2304 01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:42.920 finals of, the line why would you not announce it? 2305 01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:46.079 During THAT and i haven't heard an explanation. FOR it 2306 01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:51.239 i think in our, sensitive society it was probably, you 2307 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:56.439 know some politicking from maybe both sides if their guy 2308 01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:58.680 wasn't going to win it and how it could affect. 2309 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.880 The series, but frankly, YOU know i think it will 2310 01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:05.439 be much more compelling to watch, that thing, you know 2311 01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:09.159 the Night after shay gets the Award And nikola jukus 2312 01:57:09.199 --> 01:57:10.800 has something to say about it in. The series that 2313 01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:13.520 would have been great. To see so that's disappointing in 2314 01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:17.000 Terms of shay. Winning it it was a tough vote, 2315 01:57:17.039 --> 01:57:20.359 for ME but i did vote. FOR him i Think 2316 01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:24.039 the cooliochus is a. BETTER player i also believe that 2317 01:57:24.079 --> 01:57:28.560 sixty eight wins is. A rarity, i, mean obviously only 2318 01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:31.520 seven teams have ever won sixty eight wins or more 2319 01:57:31.520 --> 01:57:35.399 in the regular season IN the, nba history and that's 2320 01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:38.199 proving your. Value THERE so i got to reward that. 2321 01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:43.760 You referenced the Confidence of minnesota during, practice today and 2322 01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:46.880 ACCORDING to i believe IT Was espn Stats and info 2323 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:50.720 eleven of thirty nine on. OPEN threes i will say 2324 01:57:50.920 --> 01:57:53.000 a lot of those open threes were. Pushed BACK like 2325 01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:57.079 i Do Think oklahoma city's defense just continues. 2326 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:57.800 To be really really difficult. 2327 01:57:57.800 --> 01:57:59.920 To crack vote what sort of adjustments do you exc 2328 01:58:00.159 --> 01:58:02.520 fact for them to try to make so they can 2329 01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:05.359 attempt to go back home tied at one, to one. 2330 01:58:06.520 --> 01:58:09.640 An interesting thing in, a moment And the edwards last 2331 01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:11.560 night SAID that i need to play off the ball 2332 01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:15.199 More and i'll be the guy getting those cuts and 2333 01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:17.600 shoot opportunities because they're going to continue to pack. THE 2334 01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:21.279 paint I asked finch about that today and he actually backed. 2335 01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:23.520 It up, he, said well, you know we want to 2336 01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:27.000 whether he has a ball in his hands or he's 2337 01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:31.359 getting it from, a teammate we just want to create. 2338 01:58:31.399 --> 01:58:35.000 More movement and so, you know whether that is a 2339 01:58:35.159 --> 01:58:38.840 higher screen that they're setting to get him a chance 2340 01:58:38.880 --> 01:58:40.720 to get downhill with the balls in, his hands or, 2341 01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:43.960 quite frankly if you're already, conceding that we're not going 2342 01:58:44.039 --> 01:58:47.920 to have drible pennantation to delay, in anyway this is 2343 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:50.279 the best three point shooter in the league this year 2344 01:58:50.279 --> 01:58:53.800 in terms of three. Point volume, so, yeah like let's 2345 01:58:53.880 --> 01:58:57.279 Just Have mike conley take a couple of pro dribbles 2346 01:58:57.439 --> 01:59:01.439 and kick out the ant versus. The opposite, you Know 2347 01:59:02.239 --> 01:59:07.600 Commonly tante DiVincenzo nas read all, These GUYS nikhil i was. 2348 01:59:07.640 --> 01:59:09.319 Gonna walker none of them could make a shot. Last 2349 01:59:09.359 --> 01:59:13.680 night so if, you, say hey what's the worst that 2350 01:59:13.680 --> 01:59:17.640 could Happen if ant takes. FIFTEEN threes i think there's 2351 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:21.000 probably some. Wisdom THERE so i think that's one thing you're. 2352 01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:25.119 Gonna See And rudy gobert was putting it, on himself 2353 01:59:25.319 --> 01:59:27.239 like saying he couldn't remember the last time he had 2354 01:59:27.279 --> 01:59:29.880 two thousand in the first two minutes and he, felt like, 2355 01:59:30.199 --> 01:59:32.760 you know that compromised their defense a bit. AS well, 2356 01:59:32.800 --> 01:59:37.239 i mean the paint scoring disparity was Egregious in game 2357 01:59:37.319 --> 01:59:41.000 one and that was a strength obviously Of. The wolves, 2358 01:59:41.039 --> 01:59:44.159 you know they Beat the warriors by just completely owning 2359 01:59:44.279 --> 01:59:46.920 the paint in. That SERIES and i recognize as they 2360 01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:49.680 hard seeing home run are a little bit different than, 2361 01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:53.239 You Know cavon looney and you know the other big 2362 01:59:53.279 --> 01:59:56.359 sit the words who tripped me. Out THERE but i 2363 01:59:56.399 --> 01:59:58.439 do think that's something that they're gonna want to take, 2364 01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:00.560 advantage of so, YOU KNOW i, i, think yeah look 2365 02:00:00.600 --> 02:00:03.159 for a little bit more off ball Action from edwards and, 2366 02:00:04.119 --> 02:00:07.319 You Know rudy gobert doing his job at establish. 2367 02:00:07.359 --> 02:00:09.880 PAD triumple i know you're YOUNGER than, i am but not, 2368 02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:13.000 by MUCH so i can ask you This Favorite nicks 2369 02:00:13.079 --> 02:00:16.199 pacers Playoff moment, HISTORICALLY speaking. 2370 02:00:17.279 --> 02:00:20.239 I eight points in. NINE seconds i think that comes to. 2371 02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:21.800 MIND immediately. 2372 02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:23.319 I. 2373 02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:27.279 Probably, that honestly they're all kind of an amalgam. TO 2374 02:00:27.319 --> 02:00:30.920 me i, couldn't, say well that was, ninety four and 2375 02:00:30.920 --> 02:00:33.199 that was, ninety one and that was. Ninety FIVE but 2376 02:00:33.720 --> 02:00:37.520 i think just the warm fifty a TONE memories i 2377 02:00:37.600 --> 02:00:43.239 HAVE OF Nbn nbc sunday afternoon at, the garden a 2378 02:00:43.319 --> 02:00:48.840 monorshad that sideline potential hatime report and A STORM, peter vessi, 2379 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:53.800 you know breaking down The Latest, antonio daniels you know 2380 02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:58.119 practice report that. He has, you know those those battles, 2381 02:00:58.119 --> 02:01:00.840 Were great so anywhere from, you know say ninety to, 2382 02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:03.640 NINETY nine a lot of great memories of those two 2383 02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:04.199 teams playing. 2384 02:01:04.239 --> 02:01:06.680 One ANOTHER before i set. You loose do you have? 2385 02:01:06.720 --> 02:01:08.720 A lian you know we were talking about. THIS earlier 2386 02:01:08.840 --> 02:01:11.840 i listened to a bunch of, different pods including your 2387 02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:13.920 guys run you down for no reason while you were, 2388 02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:17.279 catching STRAYS and i watched a bunch of. DIFFERENT shows 2389 02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:20.199 i really feel like this. IS split i don't know 2390 02:01:20.239 --> 02:01:22.479 that there's a consensus like everyone's On the knicks Or. 2391 02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:24.319 The pacers do you have? A lien as far as 2392 02:01:24.319 --> 02:01:25.239 how you think this thing is going. 2393 02:01:25.319 --> 02:01:25.560 To go. 2394 02:01:29.479 --> 02:01:31.520 Part of me feels like this is like one of 2395 02:01:31.520 --> 02:01:36.880 those things Where the pacers are completely getting overlooked because 2396 02:01:37.159 --> 02:01:41.279 the story For the knicks and the history behind. 2397 02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:47.279 That franchise is so strong and for, various reasons, you 2398 02:01:47.319 --> 02:01:51.000 know not, just ratings BUT just i think you see 2399 02:01:51.000 --> 02:01:53.920 all the Scene In new york after they clinched the, 2400 02:01:53.960 --> 02:01:57.199 conference finals like that is, That's awesome like that's what. 2401 02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:00.560 Sports is that makes it so compelling to see that 2402 02:02:01.079 --> 02:02:04.039 continue to grow from a conference files to the files 2403 02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:06.680 IS something i think a lot of us are. ROOTING 2404 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:11.560 for I think nixon SEVEN because i think my heart 2405 02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:13.520 is kind of With the, knicks there but my head 2406 02:02:13.560 --> 02:02:15.960 says That the pacers are not an. 2407 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:18.880 Easy out, All, Right david now you got to get 2408 02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:20.640 going because you have to file a story in. Seven 2409 02:02:20.680 --> 02:02:22.600 hours so we'll set you loose so you can slow 2410 02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:24.039 play your piece and appreciate. 2411 02:02:24.079 --> 02:02:27.159 The time man. Enjoy, okac yeah thanks to talk to. 2412 02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:28.199 You soon, dave. 2413 02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:30.760 Mcmannimum whose favorite Part Of Salt lake city Is getting 2414 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:33.239 panda expressed as he walks from his hotel To The. 2415 02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:36.680 Delta center you didn't, Say panda what do? You say pf? 2416 02:02:36.800 --> 02:02:40.680 Changs there. You go what's? The difference? Is there is there? A? 2417 02:02:40.720 --> 02:02:45.560 Difference yeah but? IS there i mean literally they're. 2418 02:02:45.600 --> 02:02:49.079 Different places but don't they Both serve chinese food in 2419 02:02:49.119 --> 02:02:49.399 a very? 2420 02:02:49.439 --> 02:02:52.960 Quick fashion THEY do PF change i think is a 2421 02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:53.680 little more sit. 2422 02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:57.279 DOWN right i, don't, know man but that's the one 2423 02:02:57.399 --> 02:02:59.600 thing you can take from your time And, saw lake 2424 02:02:59.640 --> 02:03:02.119 you and joy staying At the marriotte AND Grabbing pf 2425 02:03:02.199 --> 02:03:04.079 chanin's on your walk From the marriotte To The. 2426 02:03:04.079 --> 02:03:05.560 Delta, center yeah we Gotta get dave. 2427 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:11.479 Out now to, be clear maybe not, like nightlife maybe a. 2428 02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:13.720 Little bit there's some night. Life here i'll let you 2429 02:03:13.760 --> 02:03:15.920 give the. Nightlife tour I'll. Give dave. 2430 02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:20.840 I'll take dave To the daughters Of The Utah. Pioneers 2431 02:03:20.920 --> 02:03:23.640 museum don't. Do that why we're trying. 2432 02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:26.239 To convince i'm Quite sure dave does not want to 2433 02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:28.680 go To the Daughters. Of pine do respect To. The 2434 02:03:28.680 --> 02:03:32.159 pioneers we are pro pioneers on. This show that's. OUR 2435 02:03:32.199 --> 02:03:35.600 stance i don't Know that dave would enjoy spending an 2436 02:03:35.640 --> 02:03:38.359 afternoon At the Daughters of pioneers museum Here In. Salt 2437 02:03:38.439 --> 02:03:40.680 lake maybe we come up with. Different options, we'll see 2438 02:03:40.760 --> 02:03:44.199 we'll see that can't be like He's In. 2439 02:03:44.239 --> 02:03:46.800 Oklahoma city have you ever Been To? OKLAHOMA city. 2440 02:03:48.119 --> 02:03:48.239 I. 2441 02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:50.840 Have, not actually you don't need you don't need to, 2442 02:03:51.239 --> 02:03:53.119 respect respectful respectfully to. 2443 02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:53.920 That city. 2444 02:03:55.760 --> 02:03:55.920 I'm. 2445 02:03:55.920 --> 02:03:58.680 Gonna, Go fine i'm gonna put it on. The, calendar, 2446 02:03:58.720 --> 02:04:02.079 fine go and then you'll learned that we have a nice. 2447 02:04:02.119 --> 02:04:05.239 City here, Oh, yeah no there's A reason i have, 2448 02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:09.279 not left not to go back to. The PIONEERS but 2449 02:04:09.319 --> 02:04:12.760 i do believe this is. The place look, at you look, 2450 02:04:12.800 --> 02:04:13.119 at you. 2451 02:04:13.399 --> 02:04:15.840 AND look i hate to be the guy that's on 2452 02:04:15.880 --> 02:04:18.439 sports soccer Radio In salt lake that's bitching about people 2453 02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:18.920 that don't love. 2454 02:04:18.920 --> 02:04:20.000 Our city i've never really been. 2455 02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:23.319 THAT guy i believe you're over twenty, years NOW and 2456 02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:26.439 i get a little sick of. The NARRATIVE and i 2457 02:04:26.520 --> 02:04:29.560 understand why for some people. It's complicated, and no we 2458 02:04:29.640 --> 02:04:32.119 don't HAVE like i don't even Know a Vegas is 2459 02:04:32.159 --> 02:04:34.079 tao a Nightclub. In vegas still it WAS when i 2460 02:04:34.119 --> 02:04:35.640 went for a bachelor party in like nineteen. 2461 02:04:35.680 --> 02:04:36.319 NINETY eight i. 2462 02:04:36.319 --> 02:04:39.680 Think, so actually but, like, YOU like, I mean i 2463 02:04:39.680 --> 02:04:41.600 could care less about that. 2464 02:04:41.600 --> 02:04:41.720 That. 2465 02:04:41.840 --> 02:04:44.880 Aspect obviously dave mcminnimon has never Been To lake effect 2466 02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:48.439 On a saturday night at ten thirty. Or cheers, shout 2467 02:04:48.439 --> 02:04:52.119 out cheers juniors and by, the Way. Lake, effect yeah 2468 02:04:53.880 --> 02:04:57.199 that's an example of why our nightlife isn't awesome. 2469 02:04:56.960 --> 02:04:57.800 Since it's all of. 2470 02:04:57.840 --> 02:05:03.479 The youths shout Out. To fiddler. It's, Back Sugarhouse, Fiddler's 2471 02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:07.039 Great dennis ericson's. Favorite bar it, was gone now. IT'S 2472 02:05:07.039 --> 02:05:09.159 back i know, the Owner so i'm giving him a guilt. 2473 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:12.199 Guilty shoutout we got at little. Wing action their wings. 2474 02:05:12.199 --> 02:05:13.359 Are good fiddler's wings. 2475 02:05:13.359 --> 02:05:15.199 ARE good i told you last NIGHT after i left, 2476 02:05:15.199 --> 02:05:17.000 THE show i was ON a i should have set. 2477 02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:18.960 You There, SHOULD yeah i mean it's a little out of, 2478 02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:21.560 my WAY but i Lived in sugarhouse for. Twelve years 2479 02:05:21.560 --> 02:05:23.359 then the hipsters, moved in and now it's way. Too 2480 02:05:23.399 --> 02:05:25.680 CROWDED so i got out. Of there got to get 2481 02:05:25.680 --> 02:05:27.199 out of. The escape the woke. 2482 02:05:29.319 --> 02:05:30.239 Nine of the show. 2483 02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:33.199 Is great then we get two woke but little, known 2484 02:05:33.279 --> 02:05:36.000 Fact As dave fox, would say, fun fact even though 2485 02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:40.840 None of dave's facts. Are Fun, Original FOX Original Rsl, 2486 02:05:40.880 --> 02:05:45.359 Watch Parties. Fiddler's elbow, OH really I remember trey used 2487 02:05:45.359 --> 02:05:49.319 to to make himself. Feel better trey would order, an 2488 02:05:49.439 --> 02:05:53.159 entire an entire order of wings, for himself and then 2489 02:05:53.199 --> 02:05:55.279 to make himself feel better that he wasn't just, doubting 2490 02:05:55.319 --> 02:05:58.520 wings he would order a big cob salad drenched the 2491 02:05:58.560 --> 02:06:01.960 cobs salad and ranch down in whiskey's wings. 2492 02:06:01.960 --> 02:06:03.039 And cops and, He's like i'm eating. 2493 02:06:03.039 --> 02:06:05.800 A salad, i'm like it's cob salad with cheese and 2494 02:06:05.880 --> 02:06:07.680 ranch dressing that barely counts as. 2495 02:06:07.720 --> 02:06:10.560 A salad just to, be clear cop salad and pounds 2496 02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:12.319 of chicken wings is right down. 2497 02:06:12.359 --> 02:06:13.439 My alley i'm with trailing. 2498 02:06:13.479 --> 02:06:15.039 That, One well i'm just saying he would try to 2499 02:06:15.079 --> 02:06:17.640 make himself feel better like he was being healthy and 2500 02:06:17.840 --> 02:06:19.680 order a cob salad is like the side to his 2501 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:21.600 wings and then just drenched the cob salad and. 2502 02:06:21.680 --> 02:06:24.279 Ranch dressing i'm. With it i'm. With it so shout. 2503 02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:28.000 Out fiddlers, all right wrapping up the program For a, 2504 02:06:28.039 --> 02:06:31.680 wednesday afternoon halfway through that, work week you are one 2505 02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:32.680 day closer to. 2506 02:06:32.760 --> 02:06:33.960 The weekends. 2507 02:06:34.680 --> 02:06:37.039 Of course big news of the Day Today solid tribune 2508 02:06:37.039 --> 02:06:39.960 REPORTING that Byu quarterback Jake rreetz lath has been accused 2509 02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:41.279 of sexual assault in a new. 2510 02:06:41.279 --> 02:06:43.479 Civil lawsuit jake has retained. 2511 02:06:43.560 --> 02:06:46.479 Legal counsel we read to you earlier the statement from 2512 02:06:46.520 --> 02:06:50.199 his attorney and then the Statement From Brigham. Young university 2513 02:06:50.279 --> 02:06:53.520 they released that just about an. Hour ago so of 2514 02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:55.920 course we'll. Follow this not sure what. It means it's just, 2515 02:06:56.079 --> 02:06:59.000 IT sucks, i mean all the, way around there's an. 2516 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:02.119 Alleged victim and then of course we'll see how this, 2517 02:07:02.159 --> 02:07:05.479 plays out and then we'll follow kind of. The fallout 2518 02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:07.479 it's not REALLY anything i care to offer an, opinion 2519 02:07:07.560 --> 02:07:10.640 On and i'm a little bit disappointed in some of 2520 02:07:10.640 --> 02:07:11.520 the opinions that. 2521 02:07:11.439 --> 02:07:12.319 Are flying around on. 2522 02:07:12.359 --> 02:07:15.439 The internet you can always, not post you can always 2523 02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:17.680 not take victory laps over things like this that are 2524 02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:18.600 very very serious. 2525 02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:21.520 In nature just my, two cents. 2526 02:07:21.880 --> 02:07:24.319 All right We Got eastern conference finals IN, the nba 2527 02:07:24.439 --> 02:07:28.479 We Have western conference Finals in, pro hockey a lot 2528 02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:31.880 of college football topics randomly. As well on the program 2529 02:07:32.399 --> 02:07:35.119 do you nervous Watch? The knicks have you always nervous watched? 2530 02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:37.199 The next i'm kind of like, giddy excited but a 2531 02:07:37.199 --> 02:07:37.880 little bit nervous. 2532 02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:38.880 For tonight very. 2533 02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:44.039 MUCH so i am a nervous sports fan when it 2534 02:07:44.039 --> 02:07:48.439 comes to, you know usually it's it's very easy WATCHING 2535 02:07:48.479 --> 02:07:51.640 because i, just. WATCH folks i just watch sports with 2536 02:07:51.720 --> 02:07:54.800 like a, you know watching, for work watching. 2537 02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:55.159 For. 2538 02:07:56.159 --> 02:08:00.279 GREATNESS right i don't always dial in on the the. 2539 02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:03.640 Fandom side, but man if if my team is good 2540 02:08:04.439 --> 02:08:08.039 and there's, actual pressure there's actually urgency and it Is, 2541 02:08:08.159 --> 02:08:11.039 the Nicks, the Mets the cowboys Or, the, HOKIES man 2542 02:08:12.399 --> 02:08:16.439 i am a nervous nelly edge of my. SEAT right 2543 02:08:16.960 --> 02:08:19.720 i can't seem to focus. At all if There's a 2544 02:08:19.800 --> 02:08:21.880 nick like Tonight spends i'm getting absolutely. 2545 02:08:21.880 --> 02:08:23.000 NOTHING done i. 2546 02:08:22.960 --> 02:08:25.159 Will HAVE things i, HAVE planned i will have things, 2547 02:08:25.159 --> 02:08:27.399 set aside AND then i will just, kind of, you 2548 02:08:27.439 --> 02:08:31.600 know shake my knee and stay at my foot and 2549 02:08:31.920 --> 02:08:35.560 pace across the living room and we'll see how it. 2550 02:08:35.600 --> 02:08:39.119 Plays out but, Nervous, watching yeah that's. That's me are 2551 02:08:39.159 --> 02:08:39.760 you gonna watch your? 2552 02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:43.960 Live all are you gonna tip off before we. 2553 02:08:44.000 --> 02:08:45.520 Get, home no we'll be able to get home. IN 2554 02:08:45.560 --> 02:08:47.399 time i think it's a six. Thirty tip and by, 2555 02:08:47.439 --> 02:08:48.399 The way i'll watch. 2556 02:08:48.399 --> 02:08:48.479 It. 2557 02:08:48.520 --> 02:08:52.239 Live then what they've been doing lately is actually tipping 2558 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:54.039 off like ten to fifteen minutes after the. 2559 02:08:54.039 --> 02:08:55.800 Announced tip here's. 2560 02:08:55.800 --> 02:08:58.720 THE thing i hate watching sports live because of the 2561 02:08:58.720 --> 02:09:01.479 interruptions and. The commercials but when it comes to something, 2562 02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:03.319 Like this i've got too many text threads. GOING on 2563 02:09:03.359 --> 02:09:05.319 i got too many PEOPLE like i Feel like i've 2564 02:09:05.359 --> 02:09:07.520 got to watch a live and just deal with, the 2565 02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:08.319 COMMERCIALS which i. 2566 02:09:08.359 --> 02:09:09.279 Hate doing that's. 2567 02:09:09.359 --> 02:09:13.239 The Struggle, is usually like day to day throughout, the 2568 02:09:13.279 --> 02:09:16.079 year you'll catch me. Watching sports it's usually. On delay 2569 02:09:16.119 --> 02:09:18.920 it's usually, on record just because watching it live is 2570 02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:21.920 kind of time consuming when you have to intake so 2571 02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:25.039 much of it as. We do but when it's my 2572 02:09:25.159 --> 02:09:28.960 team in a conference finals, or later or let's say 2573 02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:34.800 a golf major On, a Sunday, super. Bowl, etc yeah 2574 02:09:34.279 --> 02:09:37.159 That's something i'm gonna block off my time for. 2575 02:09:37.279 --> 02:09:39.760 WATCH live i know we've talked, about it but tonight 2576 02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:42.039 is what makes this. STUFF fun i got into a 2577 02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:45.119 debate with a buddy of mine who. 2578 02:09:45.279 --> 02:09:48.439 Is a he's a bit of, a hipster, you know, 2579 02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:50.279 likes music he likes. 2580 02:09:50.399 --> 02:09:52.800 Art like he's one of those guys that Has a 2581 02:09:52.880 --> 02:09:56.439 christmas tree that's like small with like it looks like a. 2582 02:09:56.479 --> 02:10:00.119 Dead tree it looks like something like Nightmare. Before christmas there. 2583 02:10:00.159 --> 02:10:03.039 We go loves like my. Morning jacket, he's insufferable, little 2584 02:10:03.079 --> 02:10:05.800 indie a, little bit a. Little bit, he's like why 2585 02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:08.560 do you, Like sportsman, i'm like. It's fun life, Is 2586 02:10:08.600 --> 02:10:10.560 hard like life. IS hard i want to sit down 2587 02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:13.520 and watch the. Damn game and it's nights like tonight 2588 02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:16.199 that make. It fun, AND man i just miss being, 2589 02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:18.600 able to, you know kind of experience this through the 2590 02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:20.399 prism of Watching, the jazz because When the jazz, ARE 2591 02:10:20.439 --> 02:10:26.520 good i nervous Watch. The Jazz, Utah Football. New, york Yeah, 2592 02:10:26.600 --> 02:10:30.399 the knicks, of Course. THE yankees i have so far 2593 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:34.279 surpassed any real like nervous watching Of the jets because 2594 02:10:34.279 --> 02:10:34.640 they're such. 2595 02:10:34.640 --> 02:10:36.119 A joke but. 2596 02:10:36.119 --> 02:10:40.600 Twenty, five years twenty, five years, and you, young man don't, 2597 02:10:40.600 --> 02:10:44.680 fully understand even As a, nick fan the gravitas and 2598 02:10:44.760 --> 02:10:45.880 wait Of A nick. 2599 02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:47.039 Pacers matchup. 2600 02:10:47.640 --> 02:10:53.479 NOT REALLY i i do remember, the series and, YOU 2601 02:10:53.520 --> 02:10:57.119 know i remember a little bit Of The, alan Houston 2602 02:10:57.159 --> 02:11:00.840 The trail nicks and. Late, Nineties right i'm A Big patrick, 2603 02:11:00.920 --> 02:11:04.079 Ewing fan but most of it WASN'T like i consumed. 2604 02:11:04.079 --> 02:11:07.439 It, LIVE now i will say there was. 2605 02:11:09.479 --> 02:11:12.319 More Of A PACER's knicks rivalry than maybe you, will 2606 02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:15.560 remember or maybe folks Outside Of new York and indiana. 2607 02:11:15.680 --> 02:11:21.119 Will remember going Back To Mellow, Paul George, Danny granger George, 2608 02:11:21.199 --> 02:11:26.840 hill right those twenty ten to Twenty Fourteen knicks, pacers 2609 02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:30.920 teams both regular season and in, the postseason had, some 2610 02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:34.079 really really. Good matchups SO although i don't have the 2611 02:11:34.159 --> 02:11:39.640 full knowledge Of The pacers knicks rivalry and the playoff 2612 02:11:39.720 --> 02:11:44.319 series ninety nine, CONFERENCE finals I believe i very much 2613 02:11:44.359 --> 02:11:48.840 do have a historical eye to it and a little 2614 02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:51.640 little taste of, my own even as A millennial. 2615 02:11:51.720 --> 02:11:53.960 Knicks fan will, you well we will see how it plays. 2616 02:11:53.960 --> 02:11:57.000 Out Tonight the garden's gonna be, absolutely rocking should be a. 2617 02:11:57.000 --> 02:12:01.000 Fun atmosphere we Also have stanley. Playoffs tonight you can 2618 02:12:01.039 --> 02:12:03.199 hear that on. Our station if you're looking for the, 2619 02:12:03.239 --> 02:12:06.359 basketball game head on over to the fan, all right 2620 02:12:06.399 --> 02:12:07.720 we will say Good, night porter what comes? 2621 02:12:07.760 --> 02:12:09.600 Our way On a thursday edition of the. 2622 02:12:09.720 --> 02:12:12.600 Radio show On a thursday Edition Of, The drive spence 2623 02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:17.159 speaking Of Those Knicks. Tony jones obviously he Covers, the Nuggets, 2624 02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:20.079 the jazz COVERS the nba, at large but A big 2625 02:12:20.119 --> 02:12:23.399 knicks fan as well of the athletic, Of course tony 2626 02:12:23.479 --> 02:12:25.960 drops by each and. Every week we'll Talk With rafael 2627 02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:30.119 BARLOW more nba draft Centric With, rafael Barlow but i'm 2628 02:12:30.119 --> 02:12:32.880 sure he'll be glad to touch ON Some Nba conference 2629 02:12:32.960 --> 02:12:37.159 finals action. As Well And andy larson will stop by 2630 02:12:37.199 --> 02:12:40.399 the program On A Thursday jason chris to talk, Some 2631 02:12:40.520 --> 02:12:42.560 Reale salt lake and some. 2632 02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:45.199 Sports court we'll go. From there there. You go that'll 2633 02:12:45.199 --> 02:12:45.640 be A busy. 2634 02:12:45.720 --> 02:12:47.920 Thursday show we will, say goodnight and we will say 2635 02:12:47.960 --> 02:12:51.640 a special thank you Today To, Josh Furlong, Chris Camaraddie, 2636 02:12:51.640 --> 02:12:54.159 spencer Linton and dave mcmannimon for the sound you may 2637 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:55.960 have missed from the. 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