Speaker 1: Good morning, welcome to the show. Is this Shanna?
Speaker 2: It is? Good morning? How are you?
Speaker 1: Good morning? Okay, tell me if I'm saying your name correctly,
we're alive on the air. Is it Shana Trahan trey Han?
How do you say your name?
Speaker 2: Sure? Is Shanna trey Han?
Speaker 1: Shanna trey Han. Okay, cool, got it? Thank you, Thank
you for joining us this morning. Very interested in talking
to you. Can you before we talk about your book,
can you tell us about your background and at about
the therapy center and everything, anything and everything we should
know about you before we before we really get into it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I appreciate you very much, for sure. So
I was born and raised in Louisiana, right in your
New Orleans. And then also, gosh, so my life pretty
much is. I was an educator for twenty years. I
was in military leadership, hearing of two beautiful kids, one
beautiful granddaughter, and I love to travel. Insofar is middle
heal health is concerned. I kind of thought about it,
I guess when I was younger, because people used to
always come to me and ask me what do I think?
And so, yeah, so that's a little bit of background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So and tell us about the Tray and Therapy Center,
What is that exactly? What do you do there?
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. So the Trade Hand Therapy Center
is where we shape minds and change lives. And that's
the slogan I came up with because I just thought
about the processes that I thought taking place in the
transformations of people's lives who followed through consistently and more
intentional about the therapeutic process. So that's what we do
and been in private practice for almost eight years and
right now we're licensed in like nine eight states, and
so we started out of Texas though, and so yeah,
so that's we really love to support people who are
challenged having mental health challenges. If it's with marriage, if
it's emotional, just you know, anything that they're dealing with.
I try to streamline it. So I would say, if
I wanted to tell you mainly what we do, sure
it's going to be relationship, marriage, certainly, anxiety, depression, and
had a lot of clients who present it with like
bipolar disorder, okay, but certainly the age range pretty much
is like twelve and up.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay. In your experience, do you feel like the
has it gotten better over time? In terms of the stigma,
you know, a lot of people have a problem admitting
or acknowledging and directly dealing with mental health issues like depression,
for example. I know this from personal experience. I'm someone
who struggles with depression, as a lot of our listeners know,
I've I've been pretty open about it the last few years,
but I wasn't always open about it, and there was
a time where I would try to hide it. And
I know that. I know that there can be a
lot of stigma and judgment that people have to deal
with if they if they start to open up about
these things, whether it be publicly or even to family
and friends. But I do feel like that's gotten a
lot better, especially over the past decade. I feel like
people have become more open and comfortable talking about these things.
And I'm curious what your experience in terms of that
has been. Do you think it's do you think it's
gotten better, or maybe it's gotten worse, or I don't know.
I mean, what do you think in terms of people
being open about this stuff.
Speaker 2: That's an excellent question because there's multiple parts of that.
So the first part I will share is that I
do believe that more doors and more windows have been opened,
and honestly, as people in Hollywood have come out to say, hey,
you know what, I'm experiencing anxiety, I'm experiencing depression. I
do have bipolar, you know, and I do movies as well, right,
So I believe that that has created some shifts. And
then also though, literally I was talking to someone the
other day and you know, someone who's someone that I
know that's not in therapy, and I asked him, I said, oh,
I said, well, you know, have you ever thought about
talking to someone? And they said, well, I just think
of talking to someone as just, you know, saying just
what I'm feeling. And I said, well, you know, therapy
is so much more than that, right, And you know,
don't please, don't come just pour everything on my head
and walk away. For me, therapy is certainly about change.
And I'm such a solution focused type person. But because
of my background, I've taught from babies. I used to
have a daycare, So from babies all the way to
college level, I've taught. And I would say that I've
worked with people who have identified special needs and then
those who don't have identified special needs. Right, And so
in working with those who identified special needs. I think
that that really has helped me to be real specific
in planning and treatment planning for my clients, because they
don't just to give them a broad spectrum antibiotic, for example,
is just not enough, Like they need something that's really
specific to their background and their experiences. So I practice
what's called integrative therapy, and that it uses multiple multiple
theories in one setting as opposed to trying to go
with one theory. But the person really needs a little
bit of this one and a little bit of that one.
And so I believe that that is the most for me,
the best approach, and it seems to have worked for
the people that I see. But yeah, just to answer
your question, yes, I think that it's more people are open. However,
there's still so many people. If we look at the
number of people committing suicide, there's still so many more
people that need to be reached.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so tell us about the book The Anxiety Fix.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Anxiety Fixed. While Yeah, just as
I was observing, I guess what's been happening. And I
don't watch the news much, but I guess back last
year I was watching it a little more and I
was just listening to even clients and friends and family members,
and it just dawned on me that people were really
suffering from anxiety, I mean almost to what could be
like nearly OCD levels.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's unfortunate because you know, there's ways and systems
and processes, and you know there's so many solutions. Sure,
and so I came up with anxiety Fix, and I
believe that all of the components of it are so important.
And so the book talks about like the biology of anxiety,
which I think that it's important to understand, like where
is this coming from? Right, what's the source of all this?
And then the next thing, certainly we look at food
that you eat and then the best foods for you
know that you should eat if you're having anxiety, and
like everything, a lot of times we overlook it. I mean,
food and water are like the foundational you know, it's
foundational like ourselves, right, So what foods are contributing to
how we're feeling and how we're feeling is presenting into
the world. Also, we look at things such as community
building community. When I talk to a lot of people,
you know, I find that they don't have you know
their core group. Souse families kind of spread away, spread
out and move the different states, and then it's like
now you have to come up with your own group.
And so I believe that certainly finding your people is
a thing that you know, people have said use the
term your people, but it's meaning that group that fits you, right,
So in finding your people, that that part is really
important to reducing anxiety because you feel like, hey, I'm
not alone. And also looking at holistic supports because it's
not everyone doesn't necessarily need a medicine from the pharmacy,
but sometimes people can definitely benefit, so let me say that.
But also looking at holistic supports for that purpose. And
I think that understanding what those things are is important.
And if those things work for you, then you may
not need medication. However, if your person suffering with severe
anxiety or severe depression, or you know, severe case of
your mental health concern, you may you know, need the medication.
So I mean, just have to be honest with yourself, right,
So if the holistic supports are not working for you,
then we may have to move towards, you know, medication.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're suggesting to that, tell me if
I'm understanding this correctly, that it's probably better to try
to with with something like anxiety, it's better to try
to address it, you know, holistically, or you know, you
mentioned nutrition, the importance of nutrition, and you know most
people don't exercise enough obviously that you know. I'm a hypnotherapist,
and I talked to my clients a lot about that
mind body connection, and I tell them, look, the better
you feel mentally, the better you'll feel physically, and vice versa.
But it sounds like you really suggest kind of trying
these other things before, because I think there's a misconception
that some people have that you know, you can cure
anything with a pill, But the reality is there's other
things that you do want to try first, because you
might not need medica, and if you can address these
things with diet and exercise, and you know, you talked
about community, you know, because a lot of people struggle
with loneliness and that obviously that does inflate anxiety and
depression and all these things. So I mean, it sounds
like you're saying there are ways to address these things,
and medication might be I don't know if the last
resort is the right way. Of putting it. But am
I on the right track with that?
Speaker 2: You are so so on the right track as we
watch these lovely commercials that pass on the different stations
and then at the end somebody says about forty different
side effects very fast. Yep, yep, I am. Everybody's in
the business of medicine and or the line of work
that we're in for different reasons, right, We all have
our different reasons, and I pretty much I would say
that my motive, if you will, has always been to
help and support. And so that's my military background, that's
my teaching background, that's my even store manager background, that's
my daycare background. Everything I've always done has been to
support and train, teach, help, you know, And so that
for me is this thing as well, because you know,
I could I could say, hey, go go get the Mets,
Go get the mets, go get the mess because it
doesn't hurt me physically. But it's just the moral part,
like just knowing that hey, maybe if they had done
you know, a little more exercise or maybe kind of
gotten you know, went out and you know, developed a
new hobby and you know, met some new people that
that could have been the beginning to something new and
better for them. You know, Yeah, you don't go just
straight to the pill or straight to the medicine that
has you know, a lot of side effects. But again,
some people certainly are benefited by that, right, So we
don't want to say that medicine is not good, because
medicine certainly has helped many people for a lot of things.
But certainly we want to take it in terms of medication,
how you kind of tie trade up or tie trade down.
So we want to kind of start at the basic level. Hey,
how much water are you drinking? Right, and then go
up to medication if that is required.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure I do. Yeah, most people don't drink enough water,
and it is so important, especially you know, in the
hot summer. But it's but it's always important. And yeah,
it's interesting too because I know that there's studies that
show that exercise, for example, for many people, and again
you know, obviously we don't want to say for everybody,
but for many people, you know, just exercise, even just
walking every day can be more effective for depression, for
dealing with depression than say going on a on a medication.
And and you're right too, you mentioned those those commercials
that you see for for for medications, and I I
don't remember which one it was, but there's a there's
an antidepressant years ago. I remember seeing this commercial late
at night on a on a cable news channel. I
I think, I I think I know which one it was,
but I'm not sure, so I don't want to say it.
But but one of the side effects for this antidepressant
was may cause suicidal ideations. And as someone who struggles
with depression, I just I remember seeing this commercial and
it mentions the suicidal ideations, and I thought, well, that's
that's a bit counterintuitive. You know, if I'm going to
go on that mad it's because I'm trying not to
kill myself that this antidepressant might make me want to
kill myself, you know, so to be very blunted. So yeah,
so I'm always I'm always skeptical. I've I've never gone
on any kind of medication for my depression, but but
I and maybe I should, but some would suggest I
should try it. I try to deal with it on
my own. But but I do know that, uh, you know,
and again it's something that a lot of people struggle
with depression, is is is very uh very common and
anxiety of course, and they're they're I agree, they tend
to be connected. Do you feel that, uh, do you
feel that people are being well? Let me ask it
this way. Do you think these problems have become more
widespread or do you think people are just becoming more
aware and open about discussing them over time? You know,
we talked earlier about the stigma, and I think you
and I agree that that's been getting better. But do
you think these problems have actually gotten worse or do
you think people are just more open about them? Or
maybe it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: Hmm, you know, I think that people are becoming a
little more aware. Yeah, But honestly, the crazy thing is
that I would say sometimes unfortunately, you know, people are
unaware of some people are unaware of, you know, our
own presentation. And I was talking to a friend the
other day and I mentioned something to them about I guess,
you know, a behavior you know, I observe, not trying
to be their therapist, but it's just that we were
talking about something between us and I said, did you
realize X, you know had happened? And they were like, oh,
maybe because of why you know? And I said, no,
it wasn't Why wasn't present at the time, you know,
And then because they had like they were showing like
little signs of anger or frustration, and like there was
nothing in the moment really that anybody else probably would
have said, Hey, you should be frustrated, you should be
angry right now, right, And so they hadn't even realized
that presentation of themselves. Okay, And so sometimes we don't
even realize our own presentations. So how can we even
you know, talk to the therapist and say, hey, I've
been experiencing X, you know, and with everybody ghosting everybody
in twenty twenty five, I mean, people aren't being on
you know, aren't really talking to their friends, and they just, oh,
that person presented angry, I'm just going to leave them
alone forever, you know, you just sure, you know people,
you know, how do we have friendships? How how can
we be honest with each other and not you know,
concern ourselves with everybody ghosting us or you know whatever. So, yeah,
sometimes we don't even realize our own presentation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And it's easy to not only not only
do we not always recognize our own presentation, but it's
easy to misread other people. Uh. Text messaging I think
has played a big role in that in our society,
in that, you know, I saw somebody make a joke
the other day. It's almost like you have to end
every text with a smiley emoji, or the person you're
sending the text to is automatically going to assume that
you're angry with them. There's a lot of misunderstandings that
happened because of that, you know, and I'm guilty of
it myself. You know, sometimes I misread people or I
misunderstand or especially if I meet somebody new and they
come across to me as a little bit kurt or
perhaps kind of stern, and how they present and then
I and then I get into my own head about,
oh they don't like me, there's something about me that
bothers them. And then I get to know them a
little bit and it's like, oh, no, that's just how
they talk. They're a nice person and they do seem
to like me. They just you know, I misunderstood, I
misread them, and that happens to me a lot. I've
gotten better about it over the years, but it still
happens where it's like, you know, I get a wrong idea,
a wrong impression about somebody else's presentation. So it's something
I think we all need to be aware of and
mindful of. And but but it's tricky. But it's tricky.
I do under if if some of these problems have
worsened over time though too. I mean, obviously, like you said,
people are more open about about talking about these things,
but and there's more awareness. But also I think that
because you mentioned how people eat the foods that we eat,
you know, we we eat all this processed food, and
you know, and and as a country, you know, we
tend to you know, we have higher and higher numbers
of diabetes and and and obesity and all of this.
And I mean that all contributes. And I think as
though as those problems continue to worsen, I think that
obviously affects everybody in terms of how they feel and
and their emotional well being and all of that. So
I suspect that people are becoming more aware and more
open about these things, but I think the problems are
probably also getting worse and and that and that's why
that makes it that much more important for people to
read things, for example, that are helpful to them, like
your book The Anxiety Fix and and someone who someone
who reads your book, what what will they what will
they get from it? Like do you lay out in
the book kind of a plan or a strategy for
people who use to deal with their anxiety, or or
do you make it just make a lot of suggestions
about different methods to try to cope or tell us
a little bit more about the book. What do you
present to the reader in terms of what can help them?
Speaker 2: For sure? So I would say number one is that
I think that two things about the book. One is
that it should be on it I mean, you can
read it on your own. However, I really suggest that
you anyone that considers purchasing Anxiety Fix, that they actually
use it alongside their therapists, because really there's things there.
For example, I had someone that was reading the book
and then they were like, oh, you know, I saw
the coping skills, and so I just figured I could
just do them all. No, you cannot do You don't
do them all. You don't do them all at one time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The way that I suggest is certainly choosing one or
two coping skills, practicing those intentionally over a couple of weeks,
seeing you know, the you know which one is benefiting
you most, and if if one of them is benefiting one,
you don't see the benefit, then you know, then drop
that second one at another one. Now you're doing that
one that you know works, and you're trying another one,
and you know on top of that. So definitely, the
book presents with a lot of coping skills support and
I think that that is important that you don't you
can't you don't employ forty coping skills all at one time.
I think that that will lead to overwhelm. And so
the goal one is not so overwhelm, but you definitely
want to. I would say use this with your therapist
so that way, you know, the therapist has the book
Anxiety Fix. You have the book Anxiety Fix, and then
you get to read the first chapter. You're answering questions
and you know, figuring out who you are and what's
happening with you and why it's happening, and then you
get to bring that back to your therapist then kind
of talk about you know, the questions that you answer,
why you answered them that way you know, and your
behaviors and your choices that might be leading to your anxiety. Right,
So This is certainly a book that can be read
on an individual basis, but I certainly suggest that you
do go through it, you know, on an individual basis.
But then when you go to your therapist, Hey, I
read the first chapter of Anxiety Fix this week. Can
we talk about that? Yeah, because I'm certain that your
therapist will be very glad to kind of go through
the process with you step by step because it's going
to lighten their load as well. Sure, and then you've
already done some of the work, right so they don't
even have to assign some homework. Hey, you've got your
homework right there, an Anxiety Fix. And then the therapist
is just supporting and facilitating. It's like, hey, this is
really easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Is this
your first book, by the way, or have you written
other books?
Speaker 2: I've written other books. However, out of all the books,
I will say that this is the best of all
the books. Okay, So if anyone buys any books that
Shanna Treyhan has written, Anxiety Fix is the one. I mean,
this is like the one for you know, you can
buy it for your sister or your brother because you
know that they're struggling and just leave it with them
and walk away. Hey, try this. You know sometimes people
don't want to have the conversation. Here you go and
then just leave them with it. Right, certainly yourself, your kids,
it could be a family, a family book to read.
Let's sit in a circle. Let's talk about this stuff. Man,
this has been affecting everybody. Little Johnny, it's affecting you
at school. You went to a new school. We just moved.
We're having some anxiety because now you have to start
over from scratch making new friends. A husband or wife
just got a new gig because they just moved. You know,
everybody's feeling the anxiety. Let's sit down in the family
as a family. Let's read it, Let's talk about it.
Let's experience everything together. Hey, we're going to try some
of these coping feels together. Hey, we're gonna try some
new eating plans together. Right, So don't just let you
know your family members sit in a room with the
blinds closed and the doors closed and not talking. Lets
everybody come together, sit together around anxiety fixed. We can
have some popcorn, take turns reading, and then discuss how
we're feeling and what our experience has been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds great, and I'm sure that probably everyone
can get something out of it, even even people who think,
you know, no, I'm good, I'm good, I've I've got
I've got this. You know, everything's everything's good. There's probably
going to be something in there that they can that
they can glean from it that will help themselves or
or perhaps to help someone they know, because you know,
these problems are so widespread and anxiety is such a
such a thing, such a common thing. Obviously, a little
bit of anxiety. Tell me, tell me if I'm I
try to tell people this, but I'm never sure I'm
explaining it right. Tell me if you think, uh, Shannon,
if you think I've got this right, a little bit
of anxiety is a good thing, right, because you have
to have some level of anxiety and stress in order
to to push you to do things right, to to
to to get you to make sure that you take
care of your responsibilities. You know, if you have bills
to pay, for example, you know you want to have
a little bit of anxiety, like, Okay, I've got to
pay that bill. I got to make sure I do
this on time. I've got to Uh. If you're a parent,
you know, I gotta, I gotta make sure I do
this for my kid. I gotta. You know, so a
little bit of that's a good thing, right, But but
but you don't want it to become too much where
you're you're now you're worrying about things that you can't control,
and now you're you're you have anxiety about things that
to a level where it's actually harming you and not
not helping you because a little bit is helpful. You know,
we human beings were designed, our brains are designed to
want to handle some level of challenge, right, Otherwise we'd
be bored to death if everything was easy. But but
we don't. But when that anxiety begins to take take
us over and and ruin our lives effectively, right, you know,
that's that's when we need to really, that's when we
need to look at some ways to manage it.
Speaker 2: I agree with you one thousand percent. You know, definitely
there's there's what I call good anxiety and bad anxiety, right, yeah,
and so yeah, the bad anxiety is anxiety that has
you up at night and you can't fall asleep, or
you can't or if you fall asleep, then you keep
waking up. You know that's bad anxiety. You know, good
anxiety is, Oh, I better be get up and go
take my job this morning. You know, let me get
up and get my stuff on. You know, that's that's
good anxiety. Right. So, certainly the things you mentioned good anxiety.
So there is, in my opinion, is good and bad anxiety. Right. So, yeah,
we all do live with some level anxiety, and that's
certainly how we you know, Oh, let me go out
and water the plants today. You know, I've got to
do this. Let me make sure this happens. Let me
make my list of five things I got to do today, right,
So those things are good anxiety for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, Shanna, the time goes quickly. We do need
to we need to start to wrap up. But I'm
so glad to get to talk to you this morning
and in the book The Anxiety Fix. I think it's
great everything that you're doing. Please tell our listeners where's
the best place to go online, not only to get
the book, but to learn more about you. Uh, maybe
we have someone who wants to talk to you, maybe
they want to schedule something with you. What is the
what are the best ways for people to reach you?
Speaker 2: Sure? The name of the book is Anxiety Fix and
you can find it on Amazon and just look up
Shanna tray Hann s h a n A t r
a h a N. And then of course our website
where you can find more information definitely about holistic supports
and things like that, and the things that we offer
is going to be www if they still allow us
to use it. Right tray Hand t r a h
a N Therapy t h e r a p Y
Houston dot com. So that's tray Hand Therapy Houston dot com.
And again, we are in eight states on the East
coast and in Idaho, South Carolina, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Delaware,
Rhode Island, in New Hampshire. So yeah, just reach out
to us. We're there.
Speaker 1: Outstanding, outstanding, all right, Shanna trey Han, thank you so much. Well,
we'll have to do this again in the future. It's
been wonderful to speak with you this morning. I really
appreciate you joining us, and it's been great to learn
about you and learn about the book. And you're doing
great things out there in the world, so and we
need that, we need that, So thank you so much
for joining us today.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thank you for your time, many blessings
and we will talk soon.
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good, Thanks Shanna, have a great day.
Speaker 2: Thank you, bub.
Speaker 1: All right, Shanna Treyhan. Check out her book, The Anxiety Fix,
available where well, she mentioned Amazon. Of course that's probably
I assume Amazon is a number one place where people
get their books. But yeah, wonderful to speak with her.
And you know, we focus a lot obviously on the show.
We do more interviews with musicians than anybody else. But
it's wonderful to get into some of these other areas,
especially where I mean partly too. You know, I'm a
certified hypnotherapist, so I have a natural interest in these
things anyway, and I help people with things like anxiety
and stress and whatnot. But it's I think it's great
to bring bring on other people to talk about these
things too, and definitely check out. You know, she's had
an amazing career. We could probably have if we'd had
more time, we could have delved more into some of
her experiences. But but yeah, check out her book, Shanna Treyhan,
The Anxiety Fix