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your support. So all right, in the last twenty four hours,
we have gotten more information about the assassin of Charlie Kirk.
Individual by the name of Tyler Robinson, and according to
the article by Chris NeSSI at the New York Post,
Robinson had grown quote more pro gay and trans writes
oriented in the past year. That's according to his mother,
who told the police that. In new details that were
revealed yesterday, as the accused Charlie Kirk assassin was hit
with charges that could land him in front of a
firing squad. Utah has the death penalty and it has
the firing squad as one of the options. Utah County
Attorney Jeff Gray called Kirk's killing quote an American tragedy.
He provided more details about the role that Robinson's parents
played in his surrender while speaking at that press conference,
which we carried live yesterday in the third hour. If
you want to go back and hear the outlining of
all of the evidence that was presented by County Attorney Gray,
you can do that. It's in the podcast at the
peapod dot com. The developments came as the seven state
charges were announced against Robinson, a twenty two year old
with a trans boyfriend, including the top rap of aggravated murder,
which qualifies for the death penalty. Later in the story here,
a disturbing text exchange revealed in Robinson's indictment between the
suspect and his trans roommate slash romantic partner shed new
light on the alleged killer's twisted mindset in the hours
before the shooting, which he said he had been planning
for a bit over a week.
Speaker 1: The okay, well, the.
Speaker 2: Text exchange is now being used by leftists as well
as conspiracy theorists on the right who blame Israel see
Jews behind every tree for some reason. The text exchange
is now proof that law enforcement actually made up the
entire conversation.
Speaker 1: They're just ask good questions. Here, people were just asking
the questions.
Speaker 2: This is the thing I've talked about this for years
with conspiracy theories, is that when people go down that path,
they they don't ever stop with one. Right, They're like,
what are they ruffles or something?
Speaker 1: You can't stop? You can't have just one.
Speaker 2: People who go down the path on conspiracy theorizing never
encounter a conspiracy theory that they don't they don't adopt,
or they don't kind of sort of believe in just
asking questions. So I am at a loss to understand
that kind of a mindset and having a conspiracy theory
and believing in one is not the same as having skepticism.
And they use the just asking questions as sort of affront,
They use it as a deflection. They use it so
they don't have to make the assertion. And that's why
whenever I encounter them, usually say something like, what's the assertion?
Make the assertion? Don't don't just ask questions because that's
sort of the Michael Moore way of conspiracy theorizing, Right,
That's what Michael Moore did, and he would he would
do this this argument by juxtaposition. I think I heard
it referenced a long time ago, which is I'm going
to put out this piece of information, I'm going to
put out this other piece of information. The two do
not have really any relationship to one another. And then
I'm going to ask you, well, what do you think
it means? No, no, no, no, that's on you to
make this connection, right, That's how you present evidence to
build a case. Okay, And this is why you know
the woke left and the woke right, this horseshoe theory
of politics, where people on the far edges here the
woke on each side, they engage in the same sort
of te tactics. And you're seeing it in this in
this conspiracy theorizing because even when presented with the evidence
which comes from the shooter's phone and it comes from
his boyfriend's phone, right, they have the information from the phones,
but it is apparently somehow easier to believe that what
the entire law enforcement mechanism system in Utah is colluding
and creating a fake transcript of text messages that I
guess also, then what planted DNA or maybe lied about
the DNA that's on the trigger of the gun. That's
on the towel that the gun was in. They've I guess,
fabricated all of the videos. They've apparently convinced the parents
that came forward and identified their own son to law
enforcement in the first place, I get or maybe they didn't.
Maybe law enforcement's just lying about all of that too.
Like you have to believe that every single person involved
in the investigation is lying about all of these pieces
of evidence.
Speaker 1: And if you are the type.
Speaker 2: Of person that goes down that path, if you are
the person that's just asking the questions, I implore you
never serve on a jury. Please do not ever serve
on a jury. You will never be able to come
to any kind of a decision. You won't be able
to because you will construct facts, quote unquote facts, You
will construct evidence. You will ask questions that aren't relevant,
that have already been answered because, by the way, that's
another part of these theories is that when you have
the answer to the question, then that's just proof that
the conspiracy exists. I don't understand the mindset. I really don't.
I don't understand the mindset that, when presented with this EVAs,
that you feel the need to somehow find a connection
to Israel, to the Jews. It's just beyond me. This
is from the New York Post. While no definitive motive
has officially been announced, and I know what you're gonna say.
I read that the first time and I was like,
we do know the motive. He literally told us the
motive and the text messages and in the note that
he wrote to the boyfriend that he hid under the keyboard,
we know the motive, but they say, I read it again,
No definitive motive has been officially announced. Okay, so like
in the charging documents, I guess. But his own texts
say that he had to eliminate Charlie Kirk because of
all of the hate that he was saying. It's the
only way to have confronted that hate. That's a motive.
And I see people that when Charlie Kirk was alive,
bashed Charlie Kirk, accused him of taking money from Israel,
accused him of all sorts of you know, nefarious motives
and such. And these are people on the right, these
are your groypers, these are your your Candae Owens types
and such. While Charlie was alive, they attacked him. But
now they want his audience share, and so I guess
now they're like, oh, Charlie, I can't believe you know
they This is why I know why they killed him.
Speaker 1: I alone know the reason. You know, Okay, no, not alone.
Speaker 2: Everybody who's aware of the text messages understands the motive here.
A picture has emerged over the last week casting Robinson
as having a deep seated disdain for Kirk and having
been steeped in far left politics, particularly in recent years.
When his roommate asked in a text message why he
carried out the assassination, Robinson said, quote, I had enough
of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiate out. That's
in the charging document. That seems to me to be
a pretty clear motive. He was killed for what he
believed in and what he said. That's why he was murdered.
He also expressed consternation about his father's support of President Trump.
He said, since Trump got into office, my dad has
been pretty die hard MAGA. He also held leftist ideology
and was radicalized online in the last few years, according
to prosecutors that accused him of murdering Kirk, father of
two young children, While he debated students at UVU last Wednesday,
he allegedly confessed to the assassination via messages sent through
the online community on discord as a messaging platform, and
the FBI director Cash Bettel said while he was testifying
an a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing yesterday morning that quote
a lot more than the twenty people in the Discord
chat were being investigated by the bureau.
Speaker 1: Quote we are running them all down.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get into some of this and a
later in the program here because Andy No just sat
for an interview with Winston Marshall and some pretty interesting
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gave you the breaking news that the guy that was
initially arrested in the wake of the shooting, like immediately,
like when the news broke that Charlie Kirk had been
shot at I mean almost within I guess, I mean
it was within half an hour, if even that long.
Speaker 1: They said.
Speaker 2: They said that they had the shooter in custody, and
then it turned out shooter wasn't in custody, right. Well,
that was because this guy, George Zinn, fabricated a confession
right there on the spot saying I shot him, Now
shoot me, That's what he was yelling, and so police
took him into custody and they thought, this is the
guy who did it, and turns out he admitted he lied.
He lied about that on the spot in order to
allow the shooter to escape. And so now he has
been charged as well obstruction of justice and possession of
child sexual abuse material because when they looked at his phone,
they found some stuff that he shouldn't have and then
they did some deeper diving and they found out, oh
my gosh, this guy's a pedo. And then he actually
admitted to this guy's seventy one years old, and he
later told investigators he faked the confession to help the
real suspect escape. Authorady said an investigation led to the
discovery of explicit material on his phone, including more than
twenty images of children between the ages of five and twelve.
I did see somebody else make the point that when
Kyle written house, remember shot at the Antifa BLM thugs
that were trying to murder him on the streets during
the mostly peaceful but sometimes fiery riots up in I
think it was Kenosha, Wisconsin maybe, or was that the
one where the leftist drove his car into a crowd.
I get these I get these terrorist acts confused, but
one of the guys he shot turned out to also
be convicted pedophile.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: All pedophiles are Antifa, but there just seems to be
an overrepresentation here anyway. Look, there's no indication this guy
George's in was Antifa, and there's no evidence that he
worked with the actual gunman, So like we don't. It
just appears like he just screamed it out because he
hated Charlie Kirk also, and when Charlie Kirk got shot,
he screams that out in order to distract law enforcement
from catching the actual killer. Over the years, this guy
has built a reputation in Salt Lake City as a
persistent disruptor with a record of minor crimes. He has
a history of run ins with the law. I am
as shocked as you are to learn that, including a
twenty thirteen arrest for sending a threatening email to the
organizers of the Salt Lake City Marathon just days after
the Boston Marathon bombing. He is also known for attending
public events where he often attempts to disrupt speakers or forums.
Speaker 1: So I suspect that's.
Speaker 2: What he was doing at the Charlie Kirk event, trying
to disrupt the event, right, That seems to track, but
I don't know. But if this guy's got a history
of doing that very kind of thing, I suspect that's
what he was there for. I mentioned yesterday that I
had seen reports that this guy was like some local crank,
and it does seem like that now has been confirmed.
But he is facing charges and we'll probably spend the
rest of his what's left of his short life behind
barns due to the Childboard.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
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Speaker 2: We get to some texts from the WBT text line
driven by Liberty Buick GMC. Eric says the folks, saying
that the text messages don't read like two typical twenty
somethings are right, but it does read like how two
people on the autism spectrum would interact, or one on
one not trying to reach them would or or one
oh sorry, or one on the spectrum and another nod
who is trying to reach them. People on the spectrum
like clear, direct language and formal structure. They don't do
well with abstract language or slang. Now look at the
fact that one was transgender and also a furry And
for people who aren't aware, these are furries or people
who like to dress up in like mascot uniform costumes
kind of stuff, and there is a subset of the
furry culture that then engages in sexual activity whilst wearing
the outfits, which you but also like, what must their
dry cleaning budget look like? But anyway, there are huge
overlaps with people on the autism spectrum, and you can
understand that you are not seeing a text exchange between
two typical twenty somethings. Yeah, like, of all the conspiracy theories,
I don't understand this one where it's like I don't
think this sounds like people would write Okay, well, just
because you don't think that, like what is the evidence
that you have that they did.
Speaker 1: Not write it?
Speaker 2: Just your feeling. You're feeling that this isn't the way
two people would write to each other on a text exchange,
and the evidence against you on that is, oh, I
don't know, they're freaking phones. But then you would have
to then layer into the conspiracy theory that law enforcement
made up the text exchanges, which I suspect would be
quite easy for the defense to rip apart. So, oh,
but what they planted it on the phones and somehow
another got into the code to change the metadata?
Speaker 1: Right? Is that what happened? Also?
Speaker 2: See what I mean it in order to construct that
you're building a house of cards.
Speaker 1: It's just absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Kevin says, do you believe that Republicans are more prone
to believe in conspiracy theories? I know that's a partisan question,
but it amazes me what people will believe is truth.
I'm trying to think back to you. I remember seeing
some sort of a study that was done years ago
that said that that Republicans were more prone to it.
But I also remember that there was that the the analysis,
the methodology was somewhat flawed because things that were categorized
as conspiracies were not actually conspiracy theories, right, they were,
they were true. And then of course you have on
the other side, the left believes in conspiracy theories but
has them reinforced by a massive institutional advantage via media,
Hollywood and and uh uh and academia. For example, Donald
Trump is a Russian asset, just to pick a recent one, right, right,
that's that's one of them, Or that Donald Trump's a
Nazi as another one, and all conservatives are fascists, and
there's another one. These are conspiracy theories as well, but
conservatives don't have the kind of infrastructure to make you know,
people quote normies believe their theories. But but yeah, I
don't know. I'd have to go back and pull that research. Look,
everybody is prone to this sort of stuff because when
you start thinking tribal us versus them, and you know,
my tribe is you know, I'm going to do anything
and it doesn't matter, and my tribe's always good, and
evil doesn't affect my tribe. Evil affects everybody. Okay, evil
doesn't care. Evil is nonpartisan. There will be people on
all sides of any political issue that that are evil.
Psychopaths are attracted to whatever will get them what they want.
It doesn't matter. The ideology doesn't matter to them. So
if they see an opportunity to you know, get clout
and influence others and such, they will they will go
to wherever that space is. I've been listening to the
Candice Owen podcast. All right, well, there's your first mistake live,
don't it's that is a very bad path. She's been
talking about the same thing you are speaking of now.
I would highly recommend listening to it. Not gonna happen.
It's on YouTube. Yes, I'm aware. I can find it
on YouTube. I'm not interested in giving her any views. Oh,
here you go. She's gonna explain some, she says. The
news says the gun was found wrapped in a towel
in the woods, but on video they have the gunman
escaping the building didn't have a gun on him, leaving
the scene. That it takes a screwdriver to dissemble the
gun to put in a backpack he had, but the
gun was found completely assembled in the woods. Very interesting information,
makes you go, No, it doesn't. The prosecutor said that
he dropped the gun off the top of the building
before he jumped and then he picked it up and
ran it into the woods. The screwdriver, while I understand
you're you're saying, well, that would be necessary to take
the gun apart. Well, the screwdriver was also found right
that was recovered had his DNA on. And also what
I posited was that the screwdriver was probably brought in
order to gain access through any doors that he may
have needed to like prop open or pry.
Speaker 1: Open or something.
Speaker 2: Don't know why he had the screwdriver, that's my guess.
I don't know that to be true. I find that
to be a little bit more of a reasonable.
Speaker 1: Guess.
Speaker 2: Then he brought it to disassemble the gun, but never
used it to do so, So therefore somebody else planted
the gun or something like that. Doesn't even I don't
even follow that logic. And they found his fingerprint or
his DNA rather on the trigger as well as on
the towel. He talked in the text messages about how
he ditched the gun, but he couldn't go back for
it because there was a patrol vehicle police vehicle that
was stationed near the site of the shooting, and so
we couldn't he couldn't go there without being spotted. And
by the way, there is a reason why law enforcement
does that. You know what the reason is why they
post a vehicle near a site like that. It's to
catch the killer if he comes back, because so many
times the killers come back because they can't help themselves,
or they're trying to dispose of evidence they may have
ditched someplace, which is exactly what this guy is alleged
to have done.
Speaker 1: That's why they do that.
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Thank you Jason, the CEO of Discord, Steam, Twitch, and
Reddit are set to testify before Congress on the left
wing radicalization of its users and quote open incitement to
commit politically motivated acts. That's a positive development. That's I
think the way forward. Um, we go over to some
hang on a second. I had a message here also
from Russ who says, when you reported that Zin had
been arrested, I was thinking, wait, was that the dude's
name with the transgender multi state murder cult that killed
one of the girl's parents and a Border patrol agent.
Those are the Zizians. He goes by Ziz, not Zin.
Zin is like a white sparkling wine.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know who this is.
Speaker 2: From no name, says just curious. I'm not buying into
all the conspiracy talk. But as a question, have they
said how he accessed the roof of the building. I
have not seen or heard any account of how he
got access to the top to the roof that I
don't know they may have said, I I have not
seen that. Another thing, I wonder if all these people
that are advocating that Charlie Kirk deserved to die for
his speech believe it would be okay for them personally
to be assassinated for their speech. Oh see, because they're
on the right side. They they view themselves as the
good and so if you have to murder a bunch
of people to silence them in order to usher in
the revolution aka the utopia, which of course always has
violence in it, then they are justified. And they have
created this moral framework that permits them, this permission structure
that allows them to dehumanize their opponents because they are
the good ones. And that is why you are seeing
the media react the way it's reacting. I suspect is
that they don't want to have to acknowledge it. They
don't want to have to acknowledge that they have played
some part in, you know, building this framework, this permission structure.
Dave in Concorde says, I would imagine that the screwdriver
would be used to put the gun back together, being
that he must have had it disassemble, then the backpack
while getting to the roof.
Speaker 1: Also maybe for doors as well.
Speaker 2: So the video that they showed at the press conference
yesterday showed the killer walking across campus and he got
out of his car and he was walking, and he
was walking with a limp. People said that they when
we first saw the videos, they were like, oh, he's
walking with a limp, because people first thought he hurt
himself jumping off of the roof and maybe hurt his
leg when he fell off of the roof because it
was probably a good you know, ten fifteen feet up.
But then people were like, no, no, no, because there's
a video showing before he got on the roof that
he was walking with a limp. But when watching the
video as they showed it yesterday during the press conference,
it's clear to me he's not walking with a limp.
He's walking with a straight leg. He's not bending his leg,
and that tells me he's got the long gun in
the pan leg. That's how he concealed it going from
the car to the roof. Somebody else pointed out here
that you could use the screwdriver to adjust the scope,
but that I don't know. I've never used a scope.
Another thing of note, the perpetrator stated he wanted to
carry his act to the grave. He really wanted to
be caught because when keeping a real secret, you must
not ever tell anyone, right.
Speaker 1: But see, this is the thing.
Speaker 2: In order to be a true ally like you have
to be willing to engage in the violence. This is
a message that the trans community, the antifab or trantyfive.
You merge the two because there's a big overlap of that.
Then diagram. This is what they This is what they
talk about that if you're you know, an ally, you're
not trans yourself, but if you are one of their allies,
you have to be willing to stand in front of
the trans because they're such a small pop ulation. This
is what they post on the message boards. I've seen it.
I've seen their comments. One last thing before I close
this hour, and we're going to get into this andy
no audio in a minute, as well as the media.
But there are two paths that we can walk, and
so you can be filled with rage and anger.
Speaker 1: I have been as well.
Speaker 2: I'm very frustrated and angry too, But we want to
pray for people to turn away from the darkness, evil
destroyed Charlie Kirk's earthly body.
Speaker 1: His family, wounded millions of people.
Speaker 2: In the process. Evil also destroyed that killer too, his
life's over. It destroyed his family as well. Because that's
what evil does. It destroys. It never creates. It just destroys.
Only God creates. So I pray for people to turn
away from that evil and for us to create and
in doing so glorify God.
Speaker 1: That's my prayer.
Speaker 3: All right, that'll do it for this episode.
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