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Speaker 2: All right, let's get it started our third and final
Speaker 2: hour here on a Monday afternoon. Super Bowl Week is underway,
Speaker 2: and I feel like, so far, the only real talking
Speaker 2: points thus far at Super Bowl Media radio.
Speaker 3: Row, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think everybody got there this past weekend,
Speaker 2: and there'll be all kinds of coverage all over the
Speaker 2: place from the national outlets, and I'm sure we'll we'll
Speaker 2: get some stuff that comes from it. But I think
Speaker 2: the trade request from what's his name, Brown's best player defensively,
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. Yeah, Males Garret, don't know. I couldn't think
Speaker 2: of his name, but he requested a trade from the Browns.
Speaker 2: And you know, I like this move on his part
Speaker 2: because he'll, I mean, he's using this to his advantage.
Speaker 2: This comes out publicly today for obvious reasons, because he's
Speaker 2: going to be there doing multiple radio interviews. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think his first interview was going to be with
Speaker 2: Rich Eisen once he got there in New Orleans. And
Speaker 2: he'll he'll he'll he'll be able to control the narrative
Speaker 2: here he'll be able to talk and obviously he can't
Speaker 2: get into too much as far as like details, but
Speaker 2: like he'll basically be able to sell himself to other
Speaker 2: franchises out there as to why maybe they should make
Speaker 2: some moves and try to go get him, because obviously
Speaker 2: he's still a really, really good player. I think he's
Speaker 2: made it clear that his trade request is just based
Speaker 2: more so than anything off of wanting to win a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. And the Browns don't really look to be
Speaker 2: in that in that in that great of a shape,
Speaker 2: in that great of shape to win it. In fact,
Speaker 2: what am I talking about? The Browns That probably never
Speaker 2: want to role in my lifetime, but the Browns. But
Speaker 2: one of the things the NFL has has well maybe
Speaker 2: I'm wrong with saying this, but I feel like more
Speaker 2: than the in the NFL, but like players don't have
Speaker 2: like they have controlled despite being under contract, Like they
Speaker 2: can put up as big enough, as big of a fight,
Speaker 2: and more often than not they'll get traded right Like
Speaker 2: they have a contract for a reason, they can be
Speaker 2: fined if they want to sit out. But if you
Speaker 2: are a star player and you are behaving that way,
Speaker 2: and it comes to somebody having to like budge, the
Speaker 2: team's gonna budge more often than not because they have to, right.
Speaker 2: So in the NFL, I feel like you've got when's
Speaker 2: the last time this happened Austin in the NFL where
Speaker 2: a really good player made it clear he wanted out,
Speaker 2: and the conversation turned into, well, look, this guy's so good,
Speaker 2: they'd be foolish not to get rid of him, like
Speaker 2: they I mean, he may not like it in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: but why would they give up a guy that is
Speaker 2: that good? Like wasn't it when Rogers became kind of
Speaker 2: prickly with the Green Bay for like the last time,
Speaker 2: Like it's one of those things where he was under contract,
Speaker 2: he didn't want to play there, but at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, like how many more good years does
Speaker 2: he have left?
Speaker 4: That kind of thing, And maybe the same thing with
Speaker 4: Brett Fahr, but remember he like retired a couple of times,
Speaker 4: so that was his way out of it. And I
Speaker 4: don't know, being a Vikings fan, I know Stefan Diggs
Speaker 4: was very vocal about wanting to get out, but I
Speaker 4: don't think that he was like the best at his
Speaker 4: position like Miles Garrett was and then he got shipped
Speaker 4: to Buffalo and we all laughed at it because you know,
Speaker 4: it's Buffalo and Josh Allen wasn't proven yet. But both
Speaker 4: those teams got better without him. Yeah, of course they did.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's it's it's just I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know. And any other defensive end that I
Speaker 4: can remember like that, remember, oh, who was Khalil Mack member?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, uh started with the Raiders, right, yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Gruden apparently didn't want to keep them or
Speaker 4: something like that, or they didn't want to pay him,
Speaker 4: and then he goes in the very next year. He
Speaker 4: just an absolute beast in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there have been some examples in recent years
Speaker 2: like that, where you know, it looks like a guy's
Speaker 2: just kind of, you know, getting in his own way
Speaker 2: too much and his best days are in the past.
Speaker 2: Then they go, I mean again, being within a winning
Speaker 2: culture matters a lot, and maybe more guys are realizing
Speaker 2: that now, Like maybe, I mean, as good as Miles
Speaker 2: Garrett has been in clear Eveland, you can't tell me
Speaker 2: that what he's seeing with Sequon Barkley now being with
Speaker 2: a organization, then more often than not, they do things
Speaker 2: the right way, they succeed, and the Browns aren't that.
Speaker 2: In fact, the Browns are in this position where their
Speaker 2: future looks very, very bad, is just because they're still
Speaker 2: stuck with Deshaun Watson and that horrible contract that only
Speaker 2: the Browns would give him. So I know it's just
Speaker 2: to me, Miles Garrett's one of those guys that if
Speaker 2: you're the Browns and you know he wants to be traded,
Speaker 2: I mean I would spend the next forty eight hours
Speaker 2: working with him. And because your mindset has to be right, now,
Speaker 2: why would we How would we get better by getting
Speaker 2: rid of a guy that we know everybody else would
Speaker 2: want and we've already invested a lot of money in him.
Speaker 2: So but again, more often than not, this day and
Speaker 2: age players do get their way, and you know.
Speaker 3: That's just where we are. The one guys that come
Speaker 3: to mind.
Speaker 2: For me, And this wasn't really about a trade, but
Speaker 2: if you remember when Le'Veon Bell held out in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: I mean, could that have worked out any better for
Speaker 2: the Steelers? I mean he never did anything of no
Speaker 2: after that and they never missed a beat. You know,
Speaker 2: they had some better teams, of course, when he was
Speaker 2: there and Brown was there. But you know, for the
Speaker 2: most part, they like it wasn't as if they never
Speaker 2: recovered from those two players who kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: felt like they needed more than what they were getting.
Speaker 2: But anyways, as you could expect, despite it being Super
Speaker 2: Bowl week, we've talked a lot of college basketball because
Speaker 2: that's what we do around here, and on Mondays we
Speaker 2: react to the weekend. And it was not a good
Speaker 2: weekend for Louisville fans or for Kentucky fans.
Speaker 3: And with this Louisville loss to Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: A couple things And I'm going to try to go
Speaker 2: through this quickly because I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 2: regurgitate too much, because it's been a big talking point
Speaker 2: for the show, uh so far throughout the show today.
Speaker 3: But I still feel like Louisville is the.
Speaker 2: Same team that they were during that ten game winning
Speaker 2: streak where they went undefeated in the month of January,
Speaker 2: because you know that that had value. And I don't
Speaker 2: mean that they were out there mowing down teams that
Speaker 2: are going to be Final Four contenders, but they were
Speaker 2: playing good basketball, and they were playing against better teams
Speaker 2: and winning me meaning better teams than than Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: who got him so more than anything for me, it's
Speaker 2: just a remind because you actually saw it right, it
Speaker 2: played out right in front of your eyes, that Louisville
Speaker 2: could lose to a team like this. There's a reason
Speaker 2: I kept mentioning here and there as far as when
Speaker 2: we would look ahead, I would mention, well, you know
Speaker 2: that Noah Waterman bucket against Ku.
Speaker 3: How big was that?
Speaker 2: And it wasn't because I was trying to act like
Speaker 2: we should be doubting Louisville because they nearly lost to Eku.
Speaker 2: I'm just referencing it as a real reminder that if
Speaker 2: they don't play well, if they miss free throws, if
Speaker 2: they let a team get hot where they're just making
Speaker 2: big shots, then then you could, you know, you could lose,
Speaker 2: and Georgia Tech did that. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: to act like it was all Georgia Tech Louisville. You know,
Speaker 2: they miss free throws and I just missed some shots
Speaker 2: around the room you typically don't miss. I think the
Speaker 2: flow that they need in the amount of possessions that
Speaker 2: they really want, meaning Louisville was disrupted by the fouls
Speaker 2: that were called and I think, you know more than
Speaker 2: anything for Saturday. As far as like Louisville as a team,
Speaker 2: I thought they called I mean, I don't think there
Speaker 2: were many foul calls that I was like, like stunned by.
Speaker 2: There were a couple, but with Chucky and really Louisvill's guards,
Speaker 2: I feel like, and Javon Hadley's not a guy that's
Speaker 2: guarding perimeter players, but he's also a physical defender and
Speaker 2: it works out well for him. But I feel like
Speaker 2: sometimes they don't call thousand, they easily could, And I
Speaker 2: think Saturday was a reminder that you may get that
Speaker 2: kind of a whistle. And I mean, all you want
Speaker 2: is consistency. But I think Louisville during their run where
Speaker 2: they were really playing good basketball. They were physically imposing
Speaker 2: from the beginning of the game and kind of setting
Speaker 2: the tone to where they you know, they were able
Speaker 2: to play with some contact when you know Chucky's you know,
Speaker 2: basically harassing the opposing point guard and keeping him from
Speaker 2: from getting his team into an offense. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's just one game, but it is a game that
Speaker 2: now changes your resume. Right Louisville right now, according to Leonardi,
Speaker 2: is a seventh seed. I think the other bracketology updates
Speaker 2: that I saw today had.
Speaker 3: Him as an eight seed.
Speaker 2: But one thing we could say for a while that
Speaker 2: did have value we can no longer say, and that
Speaker 2: is that one of the things that makes Louisville a
Speaker 2: team safely in the tournament it might be able to
Speaker 2: even get a good seed, top four seed maybe, is
Speaker 2: because they had no bad losses. Well, now they have
Speaker 2: a bad loss. It's not a killer, it doesn't ruin
Speaker 2: your season, but it not only is one that's going
Speaker 2: to hurt you as far as the metrics, it now
Speaker 2: again changes Really what I mean, I guess because you
Speaker 2: only have one loss, and all your other losses are
Speaker 2: against good teams, I guess technically you can, you know,
Speaker 2: you can claim that Louisville outside of Georgia Tech, really
Speaker 2: they only have you know, one bad loss, but overall,
Speaker 2: I mean without any signature win, right, and there's not
Speaker 2: a win Louisville has against a team that I mean,
Speaker 2: That's what's kind of scary to me. And the more
Speaker 2: I look at the numbers, the more I'm thinking, all right,
Speaker 2: please don't slip up and lose to another team like
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3: Because I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to have to really sweat
Speaker 2: it out on selections Sunday. And look, I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not there yet thinking that we're going to be in
Speaker 2: that position. But this resume is just weird.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: They have until Saturday no bad loss at all, and
Speaker 2: their best win was is Clemson, I mean Clemson in
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and I guess West Virginia although they're they're you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're borderline top fifty, like those are their best wins.
Speaker 2: So if you get to the end of the season
Speaker 2: and you don't have any more I mean again, you
Speaker 2: will play pitt one more time and they're going to
Speaker 2: be at your place, so that's still going to be
Speaker 2: a win that has value. It'll be at home, so
Speaker 2: it won't be a quad one unless Pittsburgh can climb
Speaker 2: back into.
Speaker 3: The top thirty.
Speaker 2: But you know, I still resume, aside from what I've
Speaker 2: watched with this team, I still think if they play
Speaker 2: well and really continue to be the team they've been
Speaker 2: since their run started, even despite Saturday, I still think
Speaker 2: they're a team that that you can think second weekend
Speaker 2: is a real possibility, now, is it? A game you
Speaker 2: should just bank on happening. Meeting Louisville and the Sweet Sixteen.
Speaker 2: Probably not, But I still think that what happened Saturday
Speaker 2: was they just weren't able to withstand one more run
Speaker 2: by Georgia Tech. And then once he got real tight,
Speaker 2: they didn't. You know, they didn't make winning plays. They
Speaker 2: missed some shots, clearly miss free throws in a major way.
Speaker 2: And that's what sucked about the free Like, the free throws.
Speaker 3: Have been an issue all year. We've known it.
Speaker 2: And I shouldn't say that they've like every game they've
Speaker 2: shot it poorly from the line. But what I mean
Speaker 2: is during their ten game winning streak, there were at
Speaker 2: least three four games where it didn't matter because they
Speaker 2: were up by so much or they just played well
Speaker 2: enough to where it didn't kill them. But like, they
Speaker 2: left a lot of points at the free throw line.
Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody would tell you that that
Speaker 2: was wrong, but it's just not something you really think
Speaker 2: about when your team's riding some real riding a ten
Speaker 2: game winning streak. That doesn't happen too often really anywhere
Speaker 2: in college basketball. So free throws are I mean, it
Speaker 2: is what it is I think they've got guys that
Speaker 2: you feel pretty confident in the line at the line,
Speaker 2: I should say, And you've got guys you don't feel
Speaker 2: confident in it, like James Scott, not somebody I really
Speaker 2: love seeing go to the free throw line. CANi Russ
Speaker 2: to me, he's like super inconsistent at the line. He
Speaker 2: might miss four in a row, he might make all
Speaker 2: six of them in a game. Trey ol Ray don't
Speaker 2: love him at the line. And then you've got guys like, honestly,
Speaker 2: all outside of Rain, like Chucky and Javon and Terrence,
Speaker 2: they're good free throw shooters. The percentages, you know, indicate that.
Speaker 2: But I've also seen them like not have good nights
Speaker 2: at the line, right, So it's it's just something that
Speaker 2: I feel like for the first time, it did kind
Speaker 2: of come back to bite you. But but even with that,
Speaker 2: you still could have won that game even if you
Speaker 2: still had a tough night at the free throw line.
Speaker 2: So Louisville will play Boston College on Wednesday night on
Speaker 2: the road. Hopefully they can bounce back get right because obviously,
Speaker 2: you know they now have their first bad loss of
Speaker 2: the season. But if we learned anything about this group,
Speaker 2: I think it's that they don't mean, they don't get.
Speaker 3: Too high, too low.
Speaker 2: I'd be highly shocked if they're not ready to play
Speaker 2: and maybe get a big time win against a Boston
Speaker 2: College team that, yes, they are coming off a rare win,
Speaker 2: but when you go back and look at how it happened,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that. And again, I guess
Speaker 2: they won. They deserve credit for making the shots. But
Speaker 2: the way in which Florida State crumbled there at the
Speaker 2: end with the you let them get an offensive rebound,
Speaker 2: you're up four. They come down and score less than
Speaker 2: ten seconds left. In fact, I'm sorry they try to
Speaker 2: score less than ten seconds left. They get thrown offensive rebound,
Speaker 2: throw it in. They're only down two, and then Florida
Speaker 2: State craps their pants on the inbounds play. Don't know
Speaker 2: who they were trying to throw it to, but it
Speaker 2: just so happens to land about five feet seemingly behind
Speaker 2: the three point line, and a Boston College guard grabbed it,
Speaker 2: chucked it up, and they win. They scored five points
Speaker 2: in less than ten seconds, and that's how Florida State lost.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to assume that the news earlier today
Speaker 2: of Leonard Hamilton resigning at the end of this season.
Speaker 2: I'm going to assume that that was not a coincidence.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they had that prepped to put
Speaker 2: out regardless of what happened in Boston, but wouldn't be
Speaker 2: shocked if that was like the ultimate Hey, let's just
Speaker 2: at least let fans know that we're gonna put them
Speaker 2: out of their misery at the end of the year. Now, Kentucky,
Speaker 2: I mean, before we get into what happened, the energy,
Speaker 2: the tension that you could feel, I mean that was
Speaker 2: as somebody who is a real nerd for college basketball
Speaker 2: and I love it so much, like that was an
Speaker 2: awesome moment when you saw Cal walk out. Clearly he
Speaker 2: was getting booed. Clearly that place was sold out. I
Speaker 2: mean it was a late tip, I mean it was.
Speaker 2: And also, again, I feel like there was an element
Speaker 2: that even if you didn't follow Arkansas or Kentucky closely
Speaker 2: and you don't care about either team, you just knew
Speaker 2: that the game was interesting because Cali Perry was making
Speaker 2: his return to Arkansas and that I mean, that's that
Speaker 2: regardless of where the teams were at this point in
Speaker 2: the season, they could both be terrible, both be great,
Speaker 2: one be great, one be awful, which is kind of
Speaker 2: the way it was Saturday. None of that really mattered
Speaker 2: because it was just all about Cal. He's a larger
Speaker 2: than live figure within college basketball. Certainly he's not had
Speaker 2: many recent good years when it comes to winning in
Speaker 2: the tournament, but still he can, you know, he can
Speaker 2: generate interest and attention, I should say more, in fact,
Speaker 2: probably better than I mean, is there a college basketball
Speaker 2: coach left that sort of has that, like that aura
Speaker 2: of cal and I don't mean that like everybody loves him.
Speaker 2: In fact, he's really polarizing. Most people don't like him,
Speaker 2: but you know, he's a He's just a he's an og.
Speaker 2: What I mean by that is you could be a
Speaker 2: rock star in coaching now, but you wouldn't be doing
Speaker 2: it the same way guys like Cal and Rick did
Speaker 2: it back in the day. It's just different now now.
Speaker 2: I think the way to be on top is to
Speaker 2: be relatable and you know, high energy, humble, that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. I mean, Cal and Rick say a lot
Speaker 2: about him, but I don't think anybody'd claim that they
Speaker 2: appear humble, And I don't mean like they're the biggest
Speaker 2: a holes out there, but like those guys carry themselves
Speaker 2: like they are rock stars within the sport of of
Speaker 2: of college hoops, and they also they still are, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I mean, and I was gonna ask,
Speaker 2: is there anybody that could do something that could command
Speaker 2: attention quite like Caliperry? And if there is somebody, it'd
Speaker 2: be Rick Patino. But I kind of feel like Rick,
Speaker 2: like he's done it enough now and he so much
Speaker 2: injected himself into the I mean, like the video last
Speaker 2: week encouraging them to cheer.
Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: Crazy, but like now we are just now we're not
Speaker 2: surprised when when Rick does things like that. But anyways,
Speaker 2: the moment was was awesome for college basketball and the result,
Speaker 2: of course was great for Caliperry, not great for Kentucky fans.
Speaker 2: And I said this at the beginning of the show,
Speaker 2: Cal I think what Kentucky fans that were worried about
Speaker 2: the game, And I don't know how many of them
Speaker 2: were actually worried.
Speaker 3: I think it was pretty clear as.
Speaker 2: Far as you know, I'm sure everybody you know, I know,
Speaker 2: everybody's different, not everybody's the same. As far as how
Speaker 2: you feel, But I think Kentucky fans knew they were
Speaker 2: better and that they should expect to win that game.
Speaker 2: Kentucky is one of the top ten teams in the
Speaker 2: country at that time, and Arkansas's one and six in
Speaker 2: the SEC. But you also know the guy on the
Speaker 2: other sideline in moments like that, when the stage is
Speaker 2: set and there's a lot of attention, he may lose
Speaker 2: because he has lost games like that. But man, the
Speaker 2: one thing that would be a real show was his
Speaker 2: guys not coming ready to play and really embracing that
Speaker 2: moment in really playing their best in that situation. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know, as a Louisville fan, Kentucky had teams that
Speaker 2: I knew weren't nearly as good as a lot of
Speaker 2: Cow's teams.
Speaker 3: I knew they had teams that weren't good right that
Speaker 3: Louisville should be.
Speaker 2: But I knew going in, Hey, cal Perry, this is
Speaker 2: a personal game for him, not because he hates Louisville,
Speaker 2: because he hates Rick, and he's going to have his
Speaker 2: guys loose. They're going to be ready to play, and
Speaker 2: that's exactly what played out the other night. I mean,
Speaker 2: that Arkansas team was not the same team that you've
Speaker 2: watched all year. I mean, they clearly have had talent,
Speaker 2: but Nellie Davis, I mean, that guy was easily one
Speaker 2: of the biggest I guess, you know, fraudsters in the portal,
Speaker 2: meaning he got a ton of money from those Chicken people,
Speaker 2: right Tyson Chicken Nuggets to go play at Arkansas, and
Speaker 2: they were getting very little return on that investment because
Speaker 2: he was he was like their fourth best guard earlier
Speaker 2: this year, and he really hadn't been good this year overall.
Speaker 2: But what he did do the other night probably had
Speaker 2: his that's got to be his Arkansas career high eighteen.
Speaker 4: I mean think he had eighteen the day before too,
Speaker 4: or the game before. I think that's what the commentators are.
Speaker 3: Saying really against in their loss. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's averaging less than double figures, which
Speaker 2: is crazy considering he was the most talked about player
Speaker 2: in the portal.
Speaker 3: But he was hot. He played well from the jump.
Speaker 2: I mean, you had Theerro who kind of Theerra kind
Speaker 2: of did what he always does, but he did it
Speaker 2: like he really dominated Kentucky. And I think he's the
Speaker 2: actual guy that really from a physical standpoint, he could
Speaker 2: expose them, and he did. But other guys like DJ
Speaker 2: Wagner going for seventeen points and by the way, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: DJ Wagner, all of them in the second half, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, let's see, Yeah, DJ Wagner had What the
Speaker 2: hell is it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I keep going. This is where I get confused.
Speaker 2: I hear DJ Wagner, I say, DJ Wagner, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: he plays for Kentucky, but he doesn't. But yeah, DJ
Speaker 2: Wagner he ended up having all seventeen of his points
Speaker 2: in the second half, was seven of eight from the field,
Speaker 2: two of two from three. I mean, he was phenomenal
Speaker 2: and he never does that. But Cali Perry has a
Speaker 2: way in those moments. The talented players, if they end
Speaker 2: up being busted or not, they're gonna play some of
Speaker 2: their best basketball in a moment like that for Calipari,
Speaker 2: and that's what they did. I mean, maybe they do
Speaker 2: turn it on and they make the run to the tournament.
Speaker 2: But I mean I watched enough Arkansas this year to
Speaker 2: know that what I was watching on Saturday night, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's not who they've been. I mean, big z, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's not typically what you see from him either, But
Speaker 2: gotta be a tough one for Kentucky fans. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: As you could expect, the majority of our conversation today
Speaker 2: has been about what happened with the basketball teams around
Speaker 2: here over the weekend. But we are getting set for
Speaker 2: Super Bowl just six days away, and we had I
Speaker 2: think still one of the most surprising trades ever in
Speaker 2: the NBA, and it'll probably blow over and who knows,
Speaker 2: maybe both teams like benefit from this, and you know
Speaker 2: it's not it doesn't get remembered quite like it was.
Speaker 2: But I think everybody had the same reaction because how
Speaker 2: quiet everything was and because of when the news broke.
Speaker 2: But I know everybody thought Shams had to be getting hacked.
Speaker 2: But I think maybe the most and what made you
Speaker 2: think he was hacked more than anything wasn't just how
Speaker 2: quiet and out of nowhere it came, was that the
Speaker 2: deal itself, just as a head scratcher and clearly the
Speaker 2: I guess conditioning of of Luca has been a talking point,
Speaker 2: but I don't, I don't. I mean, has it ever
Speaker 2: been like a real thing to where Dallas has like
Speaker 2: made it clear he's got to lose weight. Like we're
Speaker 2: not talking about Zion here. I mean, I mean even
Speaker 2: James Harden if you remember he got he got pretty
Speaker 2: hefty there when he got traded. I don't even know where.
Speaker 2: I think he's with the Clippers now. But you know,
Speaker 2: and then the internet's great, We get all kinds of
Speaker 2: great memes. Who is in that one you just sent me, Austin, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's one of the one of the late talk shows, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does the carpool karaoke h yeah, I forget
Speaker 4: his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like you know.
Speaker 2: It's it's making fun of Luca being you know, on
Speaker 2: the heftier side, and look, because he does look. I
Speaker 2: mean again, Luca is one of those guys that if
Speaker 2: you saw him in person, I think you may be
Speaker 2: able to tell he's probably an athlete, because you know,
Speaker 2: he's not James Corden. Yeah, James Cordy, he's not. He's
Speaker 2: not short, but like obviously he doesn't. He doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: look like, yeah he's a little chunky, but it's but
Speaker 2: it's worked. And by the way, the guy who's been
Speaker 2: the best player in the NBA for five years running
Speaker 2: now seemingly nobody would claim that he's in good shape.
Speaker 2: He takes off his shirt at the pull. You would
Speaker 2: never guess that he plays sports at all. Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's just like me. Yeah, he's humongous, but like I mean, so,
Speaker 2: I just I feel like that they well as of now,
Speaker 2: I feel like it would have come out if there
Speaker 2: was more. But the first twenty four hours of trying
Speaker 2: to process this trade, it just made me think that
Speaker 2: they are really worried about the future of Luka Doncic
Speaker 2: and they know something that we don't know, because if not,
Speaker 2: none of this makes any sense at all. I mean,
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis is a fine player, really good player, but
Speaker 2: he's also seven years older than Luca. I mean, Luca
Speaker 2: is on track to be one of the best players
Speaker 2: that ever played the game, I mean at twenty five
Speaker 2: years old, and if you watched him play, you know
Speaker 2: how good he is. But also he's somebody that just
Speaker 2: makes everybody else better. I mean, he was phenomenal. They
Speaker 2: didn't win the finals obviously, but their run last year Dallas.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not the only reason for that. He's
Speaker 3: got some good teammates. But I just.
Speaker 2: This move being made simply because you just think it
Speaker 2: makes you better right now, that just doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: because even if it was because you felt like the
Speaker 2: window is closing, because the other pieces you've recently added
Speaker 2: are old. I mean, Kyrie Irving is not young, and
Speaker 2: if he does, like your best case scenario with Kyrie
Speaker 2: is that he kind of just stays, stays the course
Speaker 2: because if he now kind of explodes as a guy
Speaker 2: that can be the face of your franchise again, like
Speaker 2: he was viewed many years ago.
Speaker 3: I guess now you'd be able to sign him because
Speaker 3: you don't have Luca.
Speaker 2: But like Kyrie, you would never sacrifice Don Chick because
Speaker 2: you still want Kyrie and Klay Thompson, you know, good
Speaker 2: legendary player.
Speaker 3: He's thirty five years old, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, so if you were making the move and it
Speaker 2: was because Davis only has a few good years left,
Speaker 2: but man, he's the missing piece. Well, first of all,
Speaker 2: is he the missing piece for you.
Speaker 3: To win a championship?
Speaker 2: If you've gotten rid of the guy who got you
Speaker 2: to the finals last year, and any scenario where you're
Speaker 2: making a move to get away from Luka Donchick, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: has to be non basketball related and I could see,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know him at all, none of
Speaker 2: us do, but I could see him maybe being somebody
Speaker 2: that's a little bit like not difficult to deal with,
Speaker 2: but you know, at times he's had bad body language.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm a body language expert, but like you know,
Speaker 2: if they're getting beat, he may look like he doesn't care,
Speaker 2: if he's getting exposed defensively, like those are things that
Speaker 2: stand out, but like you live with that. It's not ideal,
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure he's he's one of many phenomenally
Speaker 2: talented players that can get away with that kind of
Speaker 2: behavior because that's just how it is. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: I keep thinking that we're going to hear something that
Speaker 2: make things fall apart for Dallas in Luca. But Luca
Speaker 2: was surprised, and as his buddy Chandler Parsons used to
Speaker 2: play with him said earlier today on his show, that
Speaker 2: Luca had just bought a like a was it fifteen
Speaker 2: million dollar house? Yeah, fifteen million dollar house in Dallas
Speaker 2: within the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: So I mean again, maybe I just more than anything,
Speaker 2: it's one of those trades that doesn't make a lot
Speaker 2: of sense in my opinion, for Dallas to get rid
Speaker 2: of Luca. But I'm not even really sure what it
Speaker 2: does I mean for either team, Right, Like Luka Doncik
Speaker 2: is a guy that to get the maximum value out
Speaker 2: of him, which there's a lot of it, do you
Speaker 2: know what, he has to have the ball in the ball? Yes,
Speaker 2: and Lebron. Honestly, the longevity for Lebron is better if
Speaker 2: he's not handling the ball a whole lot. But I've
Speaker 2: also never seen Lebron have a sidekick like Luca that
Speaker 2: you know, like is so ball dominant, right, Like Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 2: The first year that Lebron was in Miami, Dwayne Wade,
Speaker 2: that was still his team and he actually the one
Speaker 2: year I can ever the only year I can ever
Speaker 2: remember watching. Look, Lebron was still phenomenal, his stats were great,
Speaker 2: but like in the playoffs, like Wade was still prim
Speaker 2: Wade at the very beginning of the Miami run and
Speaker 2: he was the guy like that was his team, Lebron
Speaker 2: was the best, you know, sidekick you'll ever see in basketball,
Speaker 2: but like that was Wade's team. Other than that, I've
Speaker 2: never seen Lebron, even when he's getting older and older
Speaker 2: every year. He's Anthony Davis was a big factor in
Speaker 2: them breaking through and winning the Bubble title and all that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, one that was just a weird scenario.
Speaker 2: But also, you know, Ad is a frontcourt player. He's
Speaker 2: a little bit you know, hybrid, kind of positionless, I guess,
Speaker 2: but he's certainly not a guard. Luca is a guy
Speaker 2: that needs the ball in his hands NonStop. So maybe
Speaker 2: this is just how you get more life out of
Speaker 2: Lebron long term. But I mean, can you imagine Lebron
Speaker 2: just kind of fitting in as Luca runs the show,
Speaker 2: because you know that's what Luca does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I've been trying to have a hard
Speaker 4: time like imagining is where Lebron fits in this scenario.
Speaker 3: And you don't bring in Luca to be anything other
Speaker 3: than Luca.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And it's not like you're gonna tell Lebron
Speaker 4: to slow his roll down. Lebron's still gonna do what
Speaker 4: he's doing at forty years old. But it's not like
Speaker 4: he's gonna be going off screens and posting up in
Speaker 4: the corner and let Luca create for his shot and
Speaker 4: then him happen to hit him when he's open because
Speaker 4: Lebron's gonna need the ball too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you like, even though he's
Speaker 2: old and you want to get as much out of
Speaker 2: him as you can before he retires, before father time
Speaker 2: actually hits him, imagine knowing what you have and being like,
Speaker 2: you know, we need to limit him because people know,
Speaker 2: like you, this is the point where you if he
Speaker 2: wants to play forty minutes, you let him because you
Speaker 2: never know whenever that that clock is going to hit him.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I think when it comes.
Speaker 2: To this roster overall for the Lakers, I mean, they
Speaker 2: really were good. They were good with the draft picks
Speaker 2: that they did good drafting right, like Dalton connect and
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves are two really good young pieces that are
Speaker 2: still on their rookie deals. And then of course you
Speaker 2: had Ad and Lebron and then really just some role
Speaker 2: players everywhere else. And now you don't have Ad and
Speaker 2: you've added Luca, who I think is clearly a better
Speaker 2: player than Anthony Davis, but maybe I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to really envision the conversation internally with the
Speaker 2: Lakers or even with Dallas as far as like why
Speaker 2: this was the move that needed to be made because
Speaker 2: D'angela Russell was back with Lakers and it just wasn't working.
Speaker 3: He end up getting traded, I think.
Speaker 2: To back to Brooklyn maybe, but he's kind of like
Speaker 2: a Luca but nowhere near as good and no offense
Speaker 2: to d Lo. I know he's a Louisville guy from here,
Speaker 2: and he's certainly done a great job in the NBA,
Speaker 2: had a phenomenal career, was an All Star once, but
Speaker 2: like he's a guy who also ball in his hand,
Speaker 2: like he's going to be dancing with it, he's going
Speaker 2: to be distributing, Like that's kind of what he does.
Speaker 2: He runs the show and spine at it, but like
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes he gets doing it too much. So
Speaker 2: like maybe they liked the idea of having a guy
Speaker 2: like that, but they know with Luca now and I
Speaker 2: know they didn't trade for him, but they did get
Speaker 2: rid of Dillo earlier this season, so maybe they just
Speaker 2: like having a dynamic guard. They can do all those things.
Speaker 2: But it's just what you said, Austin is the biggest
Speaker 2: question for me is more because again, you don't trade
Speaker 2: for Luca and then not let him be Luca. So
Speaker 2: it's more so just all right, what's Lebron gonna do?
Speaker 2: Are we gonna see him in a role that we've
Speaker 2: never seen him have before in the NBA? And I
Speaker 2: mean it would make sense, right, I mean, if in
Speaker 2: fact Lebron can be you know, just out there doing
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of everything in that you know,
Speaker 2: maybe he turns it on late and does Lebron things
Speaker 2: because Luca's been carrying the team up to that point,
Speaker 2: like I could see, Like somebody asked this question earlier.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get your thoughts on it. Ceiling for Lebron
Speaker 2: better with Kyrie as his running mate or Luca?
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that's tough because I would say prime Kyrie.
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to say not him.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean because obviously we want a championship with
Speaker 4: them and Kyrie I feel like is a completely different
Speaker 4: point guard than Luke is.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally different.
Speaker 4: I mean one plays defense.
Speaker 3: One is just a revolving door.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, just the talent, And it just
Speaker 4: goes back to I mean, don't let the image deceive you,
Speaker 4: because there's talent everywhere with Luca and what he can
Speaker 4: do with dribbling the ball and split in defense and
Speaker 4: getting Lebron open. But I just I just never seen
Speaker 4: Lebron with that kind of guy before. And Kyrie is
Speaker 4: a guy you know step back shots just as well.
Speaker 4: But it's just gonna be a little bit different, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think, but I do like on conversely, I sort
Speaker 4: of do like this for the MAVs. I don't like
Speaker 4: the whole trade package that they got because they got
Speaker 4: a first round pick and what four or five more.
Speaker 3: Years A D and Kyrie could really work.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that that. I mean, they they shooter.
Speaker 4: I mean, but I mean they have that have a
Speaker 4: couple other centers too. They still have PJ. So I
Speaker 4: really don't trust a lot of teams with two center front.
Speaker 4: But I mean, if you, I mean, if you get
Speaker 4: wide open and let them run the floor, Kyrie and
Speaker 4: Ady can be pretty unstopped.
Speaker 2: And it is it is worth mentioning that Luca has
Speaker 2: been out for a while, so you know, they've been
Speaker 2: playing without him, and you know clearly they're better with him,
Speaker 2: But you know, maybe that sort of maybe them seeing
Speaker 2: what life was like without Luca because of injury, maybe
Speaker 2: that just got them thinking, Okay, maybe we could. But again,
Speaker 2: I just keep trying to envision a scenario where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's move on from this guy. I mean, not only
Speaker 2: was he phenomenal and led you back to the finals,
Speaker 2: but I mean he was I mean, he was a
Speaker 2: fan favorite, like you would have thought somebody died in
Speaker 2: Dallas with all the reaction from fans.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I get it.
Speaker 2: He rarely do you get that as an NBA fan,
Speaker 2: right where your team drafts in the top five because
Speaker 2: they were really bad, and you know this pick is
Speaker 2: going to either get you to believe in that your
Speaker 2: team could get back to winning at a high level,
Speaker 2: or it's going to be a pick that you know
Speaker 2: didn't exactly do what you needed as far as kind
Speaker 2: of shift things in the opposite direction. Well Luca, I
Speaker 2: mean he it made him more notable just because of
Speaker 2: how funny is to watch play, how successful he was,
Speaker 2: and again he got him back to the finals. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just think that's that's I don't know what else
Speaker 2: he could have done that that would have made that
Speaker 2: would have made the Mavericks organization think that, you know,
Speaker 2: they shouldn't keep him like it's just crazy. That's why
Speaker 2: I don't want to act like I think there's some
Speaker 2: like big controversy that we're going to find out and
Speaker 2: he's like some awful human being or something like that.
Speaker 3: But I just I don't know. It's it's kind of
Speaker 3: a head scratcher.
Speaker 2: But to your point, I do think at least in
Speaker 2: the now, the duo of Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: could be could be very very I mean, it should
Speaker 2: be very very successful. I'm being honest with you. All Right,
Speaker 2: quick break, we'll come back here on the other side,
Speaker 2: wrap things up. Talk a little more college basketball, as
Speaker 2: you could expect. We've talked a lot about that today,
Speaker 2: But no doubt that NBA trade not something you see
Speaker 2: very often, especially out of nowhere. And you still wonder
Speaker 2: did that really happen? And yes, if you're a Louisville
Speaker 2: fan and you're wondering that really happened. Did we go
Speaker 2: from winning ten in a row to losing to Georgia Tech, Yes, Kentucky, Yes, happened.
Speaker 2: Cal came back and man, he was at his very
Speaker 2: best at the one time you hoped he would probably
Speaker 2: be at his worst. So we'll wrap things up here
Speaker 2: on the other side, stick aroun right here on Sports
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Speaker 3: So it's on me.
Speaker 2: I can't blame anybody but myself. You'll learn, buddy, y'all learn,
Speaker 2: and we'll get more into the super Bowl throughout the weekend.
Speaker 3: I don't mean we're gonna break it down, get real
Speaker 3: deep into the weeds.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the strategy for the Eagles, how
Speaker 2: do they contain Patrick Mahomes that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 2: guess the question actually would better so be how does
Speaker 2: Kansas City stop Sakwon Barkley, who's been a monster. But
Speaker 2: I just think super Bowl does it's such I mean,
Speaker 2: it's the pinnacle of sports, right. I mean, and I
Speaker 2: don't mean and I don't mean like it's well it is.
Speaker 2: I mean it's winning super Bowl is a big deal.
Speaker 2: But what I mean when it comes to sporting events
Speaker 2: and like you know what this is, right, we talk
Speaker 2: about sports, the super Bowl is the most followed in
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's the super Bowl. I don't really
Speaker 2: need to explain it to you. So we'll continue to
Speaker 2: do that. But because of that, it just it it
Speaker 2: gives us a lot of fun stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2: I mean, I this, let me just give you an example,
Speaker 2: because the interviews that you get on radio row as
Speaker 2: far as like celebrities that are there that are you know,
Speaker 2: making the rounds, right, Like, so all the national shows
Speaker 2: are there this week, the national sports talk shows. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's plenty of other local shows of from
Speaker 2: NFL markets that are there to you know, cover it,
Speaker 2: because you know, I get it. If I was in
Speaker 2: an NFL market, I'd love to do a show on
Speaker 2: Radio Row one time. In fact, even if we even
Speaker 2: though we don't have an NFL team, that's still be
Speaker 2: interested in doing that if we could ever make it work.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot that comes with it, and it's beneficial.
Speaker 2: But this is what more people should. I've only seen
Speaker 2: one person do this. This was Caleb Presley at Barstool
Speaker 2: before he became you know, the kind of the star
Speaker 2: that he is. But he does the Sunday Conversations videos
Speaker 2: that you've probably seen on social media, really really funny stuff.
Speaker 2: But because it became so obvious that if you wanted
Speaker 2: to get interviews with certain people like you had to
Speaker 2: let them pimp out the product that they're there being
Speaker 2: paid by this company to promote. Right, Like, hey, you
Speaker 2: can have an interview with Jerry Rice if he can
Speaker 2: talk about sketchers and you ask two questions about why
Speaker 2: he loves wearing sketchers, And I'm just making that up.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I Jerry Rice war sketches or not.
Speaker 2: But Terrell Owens was there on behalf of a butterfinger.
Speaker 4: Nice in the candy bar.
Speaker 2: Yes, nice, and it's not is really random and yet
Speaker 2: t o. I mean, he's a known name in sports,
Speaker 2: but like I don't know where i'd put him, Like,
Speaker 2: he's not an a lister in sports?
Speaker 1: Is he?
Speaker 4: I probably put too maybe top five receivers ever really yeah,
Speaker 4: I would probably put him maybe number either number five
Speaker 4: or probably like outside of that realm with like Chad
Speaker 4: Ocho Cinco.
Speaker 3: I mean he was he was really good. I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily mean like how good of a player
Speaker 3: he was, but like.
Speaker 4: To me in terms of like yeah, celebrity status though, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: well my bet, well there's my takes.
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, no, wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I would to put him as like a lister. He's
Speaker 4: an afterthought. He's been out of football for like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Like if he just kind of retired quietly and didn't
Speaker 2: do any interviews and like we wouldn't forget about him,
Speaker 2: but we wouldn't think about him. So anyways, this was
Speaker 2: this was a funny bit that like even too laughed
Speaker 2: at because he got what was going on pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: But they they got allotted eight minutes of time with
Speaker 2: to as long as they asked at least one question
Speaker 2: about Butterfly nice, and they did nothing but ask him
Speaker 2: Butterfinger questions for eight straight minutes to where he stopped
Speaker 2: having any answers. He couldn't say anything else that he
Speaker 2: hadn't already said about Butterfinger, and again he played in
Speaker 2: on it. And I just thought that was really funny,
Speaker 2: because look.
Speaker 3: Everybody's different. I wouldn't want to do those interviews.
Speaker 2: It's probably good for me, but I know that I
Speaker 2: would not be good in an interview if I had
Speaker 2: to interview somebody who clearly didn't have any interest in
Speaker 2: talking to me, and that I had to act like
Speaker 2: I really cared about them talking about Butterfinger or you know,
Speaker 2: just for men gel or something like. But anyways, there's
Speaker 2: also some drama, some shenanigans that you typically get on
Speaker 2: Super Bowl week on radio rows, so maybe that'll happen.
Speaker 2: But all I do know is we got to get
Speaker 2: out of here. We're out of time. Enjoy your evening, everybody.
Speaker 2: We'll be back at it tomorrow right here on Sports
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