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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Surely you can't

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be serious, get hold.

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Speaker 2: Hold hold. Why is bon Jovi's bed always messy? Why

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because he doesn't think it matters if you make it

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or not.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we can only go up from here, folk. Yeah,

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we are back today to discuss bon Jovi's fourth studio album,

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New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited to talk about this album. This

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is one that I had. I told you i'd never

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Got Slippery when wet loved the songs off of it,

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never bought the album, but when New Jersey came out,

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I was there picking up my copy, had my tape.

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I still have it today, same tape that I bought

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when I was twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, this is the honest truth. On

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September nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, the day that this album

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was released, Yeah, and I think they were always released

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on Tuesdays, if that's I remember correctly. I told my

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mom I got up for school, said Mom, I can't

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go to school today. You have to take me to

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the record store so that I can buy bon Jovi's

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new album. Uh huh, you know what my mom said?

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Speaker 2: She said what she said, let's go oh, that's a

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good one.

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Speaker 1: She took me and I was the first person that

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I knew that owned bon Jovies New Jersey album.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a sorry. She and I went to lunch

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and then she took me to school after lunch. Uh huh,

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so I could show it and brag it nice.

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Speaker 2: So that is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we love this album. Oh thank you, mom. I'm

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still grateful for that. If you haven't had a chance

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to go back and listen to our Slippery win Wet

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episode that was last week. The week prior to that,

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we kind of did a bon Jovi introduction. We call

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it Prelude to Prayer. So this is the third part

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of a three part on bon Jovi. So, from the

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release of the Slippery win Wet album in August of

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eighty six, yes, bon joviy tours and tours and tours

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until October of eighty seven. Yes, they take about a

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month month break and John and Richie start calling each

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other yep, and it goes from Hey, what are you

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up to today? To Hey, I've got this couple of

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chords I want you to hear, or I've got this

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hook or I've got this lyric, and so it progressed

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into hey, I've got some stuff that we can start

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working on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's seventeen songs that they end up.

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Speaker 1: With seventeen demos, yeah, And they were anxious to get

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back at it. If you've ever done something great, yeah,

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you want to get out there and prove that you

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can do it again. And it wasn't a fluke, right,

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and so they were very anxious to get back in

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the studio and record more hits.

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Speaker 2: They didn't want the album to be a one hit wonder,

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and so they were out there doing everything they could

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to create another You Give Love a Bad Name, right,

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which is pretty tricky, and so they enlisted the help

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again of Desmond Child. Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: They tried so hard to recreate the next big You

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Give Love a Bad Name, that the first song they

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wrote is a song called Love is War, Yeah, which

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you can hear it's on the special Day in New Jersey.

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They actually had to omit it because it's the same

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chord progression as You Give Love a Bad Name. Like,

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they wanted to make it so bad that they actually repeated.

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Speaker 2: It, right. And it's interesting. I've heard Desmond Child talk

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and he says, there's a real hook in the title

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is a key part of songwriting, and what he tries

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to do is do things that seem to have almost

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opposite meaning, you know, love and bad name that title alone.

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Speaker 1: Sure is dude looks like a lady. I hate myself

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for loving you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so there are several songs. I mean, love is

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War is an obvious title there, but I mean Bad

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Medicine yep, obviously good inb Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's all

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that kind of idea of let's take two things that

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don't seem to go together because it captures people's attention.

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Speaker 1: All right. So when New Jersey comes out in September

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of nineteen eighty eight, the first week it goes to

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number eight, the second week it goes to This second

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week his number one. People were ready for bonjob.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They had released Bad Medicine as a single about

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two weeks before the album came out. They did a

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good job, you know, talking about what do you follow

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slippery when wet with right? Right. They did a good

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job of doing it quickly too. Yes, you know my

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complaint with Bad versus Thriller is that it was five

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years later they went back into the studio with Bruce

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Fairbairn and back to Vancouver, Yeah, back to Yeah, back

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to Canada, back to the same recording studio and looked

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to create the magic again.

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Speaker 1: They came up, like you said, seventeen original demos and

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turns out they didn't really like any amb they were

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trying too hard. Yeah, but the second batch produced Born

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to Be My Baby and Bad Medicine. That is a start.

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That's a good start, right for sure. Okay, I don't

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know if you know this or not, but did you

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know New Jersey is the first American album officially released

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in the USSR. No, yeah, how about that? But yeah,

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So they had all these songs that they wanted to

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put out and kind of like Princess Simon the Times album,

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they had all these songs that they thought were good.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do a double album.

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Speaker 1: Let's do a double album. And again the record company's like, no, no,

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it's too expensive. Kids won't buy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they cut it down to a single album.

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I don't know if you know this. There's a couple

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of working titles for this album, right, Okay, one of them,

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I like, one of them is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Son of a Beach, Sons of Beaches, Sons of Beaches,

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which comes from the song ninety nine in the Shade, right, Okay,

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Sons of Beaches.

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Speaker 1: It kind of has that naughty word play, that slippery

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and what did Okay, But the other title was sixty

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eight and I'll Owe you one, Oh My, that that's

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it's like a title that Bill and Ted would name

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the first Wild Stallions.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, they settled on New Jersey. New Jersey, I

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guess is more of an attitude rather than a place.

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Not a lot of people brag about being from New Jersey, right,

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all right, So were ready to get into the track listing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go, all right.

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Speaker 1: The first song on the album lay your Hands on It.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they wrote this song in nineteen eighty eight. Okay.

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We talked last year last season about two of the

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best albums from nineteen eighty seven, four of them actually,

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but one of them was George Michael's Faith. Right when

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the organ comes in on this, I could not help

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but think of Faith. Yeah, and then he's got preacher

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and teacher in there. Just I'm just like, I really

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feel like they might have been listened to some George

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Michael albums before the end. Why wouldn't you Why wouldn't

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you if you are, if you are a hard rock

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band looking for poppy kind of hooks, why wouldn't you

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go listen to the biggest selling album of nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: That's true, That's true.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think that they definitely coty this.

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it was maybe Ritchie sand Borer's ex girlfriend or something

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like that that said that they would just sit on

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a stack of tapes, listen to the tapes, try to

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play it, and try to steal whatever they could from

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those tapes to put in their music. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The great thing to me about lay your hands on Me.

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I mean, it's similar we talked about last week Let

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It Rock to sort of get you ready for the

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concert and get you ready for the album and get

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you prepared for what's coming. And that slow drum beat,

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that doom doom, doom doom. But the song that most

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reminds me of is Let's Go Crazy About Prince. You

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have the organ yep, And it's almost an invitation to church. Yes,

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it's like the Church of bon Jovi. Yeah, you actually

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have female backing singers.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Of course this song is phenomenal. Yes, and the

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layer hands on Me definitely has that religious like faith

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healing kind of emotion going on hands on. This was

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the third song of the eighties called lay your Hands

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on Me. So in nineteen eighty two Peter Gabriel had

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a song called lay Your Hands on Me, and in

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nineteen eighty five The Thompson Twins has a song called

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your Hands On Me. They actually asked the Tom Bailey

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of the Thompson Twins about what he thought about bon

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Jovi's version. He's like, I don't think I've heard that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, give me a break. While they're working

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on New Jersey, a couple of buddies, including director Wayne Eisham, right,

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we talked about him last week. Video, the guy who

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did all the videos encouraged Bonjovi to write this big,

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grandiose concert pleaser. Write something really big that we can

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put on a video. They'll be awesome. And with the

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encouragement of Wayne Eisham, they said, man, we got to

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write some freaking blow the doors off song. And lay

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your Hands on Me was their result on that. Have

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you heard the Dolly Parton version of lay Your Hands

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on Me.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I've heard it, but I don't

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think you can hear it enough.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to it. Okay, So I think this song

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is really interesting. She of course, Dolly is Queen of country,

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and she loved the song and she actually thought to herself,

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she grew up in the Pentecostal Church and thought, this

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sounds like a church song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. The Pentecostal Church does that faith healing stuff.

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Speaker 1: They do. And so she contacted Richie and John has said,

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can I change the lyrics just a little bit to

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be become a religious song?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Huh?

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Speaker 1: And they're like Dolly Parton, heck, yeah you can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that's why the lyrics are changing the song, but

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it's still lay your Hands on Me classic. Okay. I

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want to talk about the video.

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Speaker 2: For a second. Okay, So when you got a formula

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at work, why don't you stick with that? I mean,

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does Bonjo of you have any songs that doesn't have

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them doing some concert footage.

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Speaker 1: In the No? No, But I think they took it

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up a level for these videos. Yeah, okay. Yeah, So

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this song reached number seven in August of eighty nine.

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For me, this is the biggest of the biggest top down,

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turn it up summer songs. Okay, I mean just pulling

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up to a stoplight thumping lay your Hands on Me

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the car next she was gonna be like, yeah, my

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job right. But the video, so the video was shot

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in Tacoma, Washington and Portland, Oregon. Okay, you have the

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awesome entrance where they're underneath the stage when lay your

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Hands on Me hits, they like jet up through the

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floor and the pyrotechnics go crazy.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Also in this video you see the big ramp where

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they can run and be like the people in the

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back can have front row seats because they're up and

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they're walking all over the place and from the I

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don't know what they call it. That that landing, that

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platform that they've got set up John is he's cut

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the band out and it's just the people singing the

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chorus of lay Your Hands on Me, and then it

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comes back in full floors. Video is great, love it.

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I want to make mention one other thing in this video.

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He's wearing this weird jacket and the only reason I

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know this is because he mentioned it in the concert

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that I saw until Soo I go home at nineteen

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eighty year. This jacket that he wore in this video.

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Kids had thrown a bunch of jackets and clothing and

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patches and stuff on stage over the years. Yeah, and

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he took those, all those patches and stuff and he

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put him on one big jacket.

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Speaker 2: Made his big patch. Check. Yep, that's awesome. I had

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no idea that was from fans. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, lay your hands on Me, awesome kickoff song, perfect,

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top down, turn it up, love it, love it Okay.

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The next song on the album song number two, the

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opening single, Bad Medicine.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: This song was released September the third, nineteen eighty eight.

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It hit number one in the US November nineteenth, nineteen

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eighty eight, so on that day it edged out wild

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West by the Escape Club.

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Speaker 2: I Remember This.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, spent twenty weeks on the chart and was featured

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in the two thousand and one film Jane Simon Bob

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Straight Back Nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This one is such a phenomenal song, and it's

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one of those that is timeless. I mean, you hear

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this today and you're like, this is still fantastic. Yeah.

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It has lost nothing with age.

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Speaker 1: It starts right off with a boom like that organ

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dun dund dun dun dunt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the video on this one is very cool

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and a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what they did was they said we're gonna we're

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gonna try something new. They gave cameras out to their fans,

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like I think it was like two hundred and fifty

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different people got cameras and they said, Okay, whatever you do,

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we will keep the best of it, and for the

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ten bests of the best, you get to come on

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the road with us and go on tour with us.

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And it sounded like this awesome thing until like people

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were so intent on being the best that they were

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like bringing in assistance and tripods and lighting. Like they

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really made a production out of it, and so it's

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not as amateur as they had wanted, but they really

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did ended up with some new It was new and

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exciting kind of thing for then.

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Speaker 1: You know, at the beginning of the video, it's Sam

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Kennison's like, this is gonna be the same crappy video

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that we see all the time on EMTV. Is that

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good enough for us? No? And let's grab the cameras

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and Sam Kennison going going crazy. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's showing Sam Kennison, Yeah, the kid that's

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next to him wearing the blue cutoff T shirt. Yeah

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that's bon Jovi's brother.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's Matt Okay, Yeah, that's cool. Love this song.

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Speaker 2: So it's got this fantastic part where he seems to

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be done. He's he's worn out there. It's like they're

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taking him off stage and then he's like, no, I

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can't do it, I gotta go back. It's so James Brown,

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it's so the Preacher from Coming to America. It's spot

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on awesome. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not done one more time with feeling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the lyrics of the song are nicely comparing being

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addicted to a drug.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Is it compared to being addicted to a lady or you.

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Speaker 1: Know whatever your love is like drugs?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Desmond Child, Yeah, co wrote this song exactly. I

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need a respirator because I'm running out of breath. It's

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almost like a rap.

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Speaker 2: It's really it is a very rhythmic lyric. That is,

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I mean, it sticks in your head. It's great, it

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is it's it's fantastic. Yeah, that's why it's timeless.

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Speaker 1: I think I just talked to my buddy Doug Gray

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here tonight. Shout out to my buddy Doug Gray for

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end of the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey Doug.

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Speaker 1: He said that for his basketball team in high school,

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their shirts said bad Medicine for the conference or whatever.

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So it it invaded pop culture a little bit. Yeah,

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this is a great story from Richie Sambora. Okay, so

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he was talking about writing this song. He said they

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were in Japan doing a commercial for Fuji tape, right,

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and then whatever they were doing, they were standing in water,

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and Richie had been in this terrible relationship and while

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they're shooting this commercial, he walked up to John and

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just said, this is like bad medicine, man, And it

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was just one of those things that came into his head.

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And and John's like, yeah, we're gonna have to write

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that one down because that sounds really good.

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Speaker 2: Fine, that's great. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Are we done with bad Medicine? One months down? Yes,

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bad Medicine. Great song. Two songs in.

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Speaker 2: You're already You've got me, You've got Me, two songs.

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Speaker 1: In We're killing it already.

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Speaker 2: I'm like I've already had a good purchase with buying

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this cassette tape.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right. Song number three, This song is

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called Born to Be My Baby.

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Speaker 2: I love the beginning of this. It's got a great

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jump in your face feel to it. Then when he

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starts singing the lyrics, it's got a very eleanor Rigby

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kind of strings behind the lyrics. Then the lyrics are

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very much Tommy and Gina from Living on a Prayer,

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only it's from Tommy's perspective, you know, it's just fantastic.

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And then the chorus of the songs, it may be

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the most perfectly written chorus I've ever heard. I mean,

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you could conceivably you know, this is almost like a

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lullaby to your loved one at night. You were born

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to be my baby. I was made to be your man.

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We've got something to believe in, even if we don't

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know where we stand. Only God would know the reason.

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But I guess he must have had a plan, because

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you're born to be my baby and I was made

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to be your man. It's like Doctor SEUs, it is

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but magical.

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Speaker 1: The chorus is fantastic. Yeah, it's like a warm Snickers bar.

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I mean, it just melts together so well.

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Speaker 2: And you can't. I mean, you hear it one time

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and you've got it like you're you will be singing

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that chorus along with him by the time the song

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is over. First time you hear.

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Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right. Thematically, it's very similar to living

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on a prayer. It's the working man and we're doing

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what we can and take my hand, We'll make it.

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Speaker 2: I swear. I'm genuinely surprised that this was not a

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bigger hit than it was.

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Speaker 1: It reached number three.

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Speaker 2: Right, which is good, it's great, but it should have

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been number one and number one for a while. So

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they originally said that this song was supposed to be

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an acoustic song. It wasn't as poppy and.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, Okay, I want to talk about that for

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a second. Okay, the original demo. You can actually listen

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to that demo of the song. It's full on acoustic,

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played very softly, very tender, and John feels strongly that

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if they had left it that same way, it would

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have been a number one hit.

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Speaker 2: Yephas less bless you want more Nebo because of something

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of the.

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Speaker 1: Demon And I listened to it and it's still that

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same magical, beautiful song, but it's not that oh, that

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pomp and rocker.

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Speaker 2: That it's certain. I mean, we're obviously married to what

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we have the nostalgia with, right, there's no question about it.

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And I don't think that that demo probably would have

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been would have done it justice. I think that if

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you had, if you had the twelve string that they

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used from One and Dead or Alive, sure, and you

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had a more full sound behind those those lyrics, that

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it definitely because it just has that kind of lullaby

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feel to it, and I could I could definitely see

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it being I mean, I'd have been asking the girls

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to slow dance on this song if it had been

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one of those acoustic numbers. It was Bruce Fairbain who

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who convinced them to switch it over to be more

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hard hitting.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Bruce Fairbain. The song that kept this out

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of the number one spot. Yeah, straight up by Paula

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abdul Well. That was a pretty big, one, pretty iconic song.

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Nine eighty eight yep, Okay, I want to talk about

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the video. For whatever reason, these videos hit me a

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lot stronger than the slippery one White videos did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's filming them. It's in black and white.

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They're in the studio and you can actually hear you

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hear different pieces of the song. For instance, you see

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Richie playing the guitar, so it's more of the guitar sound.

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Then you see Tico and he's banging the drums, and

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then there's a it's kind of a breakdown in the

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middle of it, and John and Richie are like, what

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do you think, No, I don't like it. Let's do

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it again. And when they do that, then it comes

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the full version, full on and it sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a part in the video o where

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like all the guys are singing together right like they're

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they're harmonizing.

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Speaker 1: They're all harmonizing around the microphone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things to note on the video. Yeah,

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there's a one part in the video where John is

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given a fair hug to a woman that is Dorothea.

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That's the woman that became his wife. Yeah, they're still

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married too.

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Speaker 2: They get married in eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: I think they eloped.

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Speaker 2: In They went to Vegas, yep, and didn't tell anybody.

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Speaker 1: Including their band or the managers or their parents.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think literally no one was happy with them.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I heard that too. One other thing to mention,

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the very last scene in the video. Yeah, they all

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kind of stand on this table and they kind of

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do this football huddle and they're all kind of squealing.

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They could tell they're very happy. Yeah, that is the

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camera captured the moment of the band when they learned

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that their album was number one.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: So that's great in the Born to Be My Baby video.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, ready.

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Speaker 1: We are done with Born to Be My Baby. Let's

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move on to the next song. It's called Living in set.

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Speaker 2: Less Breach Once again. I gotta say, I think they're

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a listen to.

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Speaker 1: George Mine think so this is one more try.

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Speaker 2: It's no, it's Father Figure. I mean it's totally it's

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so similar to Father Figure. Okay, I can hear him

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say put your tiny hand in mind in the song.

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I just I can almost hear him say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's probably true. This song was

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released October seventh, and nineteen eighty nine. This was the

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fifth single. I find it interesting that they're still releasing

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songs a year after the release of the album. There's

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squeeze this for all it's worth. I'm gonna go to

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bat for this song. I love this song. It's beautiful.

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It's not one of the strongest songs on the album.

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In fact, there's other songs that I would have released

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before this as a single, but I love it. It

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has that same never say goodbye, I don't care what

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anybody says. I love you and we're gonna make this work,

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that youthful passion that high schoolers feel when they're at

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the problem. I'm gonna run away and marry this person.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's kind of what the video does too, right,

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isn't it. This is one of the rare bon Jovi

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videos that has it like a storyline beyond them in

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concert or in the studio.

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Speaker 1: It's a couple of young people sneaking around at a

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hotel and their parents are very upset catching them and slapping. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'd slapped anybody, but I would

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have been upset in that same situation, right.

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Speaker 1: My position has changed over the years on the.

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Speaker 2: Leave them Alone, Me Alone? Yeah, shut up your stupid kid.

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Speaker 1: This was the fifth song to reach the top ten.

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That's the first time that a hard rock band had

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ever achieved that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this album had more top ten hits than any

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other glam rock album in history.

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Speaker 1: The orchestra in the background of this song gives it

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a breadth that I love. It's youthful passion.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nostalgia again, I know it hits you right at

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that time too, right, Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean eighty eight you were fifteen, eighty nine, sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're right there feeling those crazy hormonal emotions

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for some girl out there for several I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know if I'm capable of divorcing the nostalgia from this album.

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I'm just doing the best.

474
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: I can before in case you've missed it, those folks

475
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,000
out there listening in Jason is a pop culture savant.

476
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:12,720
If he hears the music, he can tell me band name,

477
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,839
song name, and year it came out, and probably month

478
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,880
that was most popular, if it was if it had

479
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,920
some some popularity to it. But I think that always

480
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,920
goes to he has it attached in his head to

481
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,000
some event in his life that he can remember, and

482
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:35,039
so that'd being the case, I can see how you

483
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:36,200
would have a hard time.

484
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm super nostalgic yeah, but that's why we're here, man,

485
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,839
I know, I know, that's why I love doing this.

486
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,039
Speaker 1: All right, last song on side one, song called Blood

488
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:58,119
on Blood.

489
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: Speaking of nostalgia, here you go. This is it, right.

490
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,920
This is the song about when you're a kid and

491
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,480
you become blood brothers with your best friends. Yeah. Yeah,

492
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:21,839
I can still remember when I was just a kid,

493
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,480
when friends were friends forever and what you said was

494
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:26,880
what you did.

495
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. This song is about friendship and loyalty and being

496
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,640
able to depend on somebody and count on them when

497
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,200
you need them. It's all about those teenage relationships right right.

498
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: And it's a great the music that they have going

499
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,240
along with this, It just feels right, It feels perfect

500
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,200
for that kind of idea. It's really a great song.

501
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,920
It's not one of the most popular songs on the album,

502
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,079
but it's a solid It is a solid mixture of

503
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,359
lyrics and music for sure.

504
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. At this time, the band was unified and loved

505
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,559
each other and were making these incredible songs and doing

506
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,680
these incredible concerts and they were in sync. So this

507
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,960
song was great in concert. Yeah, because you believe they

508
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,119
were a brotherhood. By extension, the fans were sort of

509
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,000
in that family.

510
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,559
Speaker 2: I think that's important that you've got to the fans

511
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,799
have got to feel that camaraderie among the band to

512
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,319
really buy in the way that they want them to.

513
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,160
And I think that, you know, I could call I

514
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,559
think they call themselves the New Jersey Syndicate. Yeah, but

515
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:34,599
they had a really strong, you know, band of brothers

516
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,480
type of relationship until they had been on the road

517
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,720
for something like seven years straight. They toured constantly with

518
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,720
Slippery when Wet, toured constantly with New Jersey, and by

519
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,400
the time they were done touring New Jersey, they all

520
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,039
got on a plane, a different plane and all went

521
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,000
to different places and didn't say goodbye. Yeah, never said goodbye.

522
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,920
You know, it's said they were it was time for

523
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,720
them to be done for a little while. Yeah, it was.

524
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,000
It was a tough little spot right after this album.

525
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: So, yep, for sure. Did you know the Blood on

526
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,799
Blood was inspired by the movie stand By Me? No, Yeah,

527
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:14,880
Rob Rynders, stand by Me because that.

528
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,559
Speaker 2: Movie is about yeah, yeah, I mean friendship and yeah

529
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:21,519
it's yeah kids doing in eighty six if that came out, yep, right,

530
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,599
oh wow, that's fantastic. Yeah, that because Honestly, that's the

531
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,920
movie when my friends from that age, when we would

532
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,759
talk about how close we were, we would compare ourselves

533
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,279
to stand by me. Yeah, there is definitely a big,

534
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,720
big nostalgia associated with that movie, and this song captures

535
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,079
it well.

536
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lyric that says, through the years and

537
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,240
miles between us, it's been a long and lonely ride,

538
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:46,640
but if I got that call in the dead of

539
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,960
the night, I'd be right by your side. Blood on Blood. Yeah,

540
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,880
it's great stuff. Yeah, there's only one lyric that kind

541
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,400
of bothers me in this song. Yeah, it says Danny

542
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,920
knew this white trash girl. Oh yeah, we each threw

543
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,440
in a ten.

544
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: She took us to this cheap hotel and turned to sentiment.

545
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,839
Speaker 1: Yep, thirty dollars.

546
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,519
Speaker 2: Make you holler because I get paid to do the wild.

547
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: Just such a great emotional Once again, I'm gushing. I'm

548
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440
trying not to. I love it song. Yeah, all right,

549
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,599
hit stop on your tape player, kick it out, flip

550
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,799
it over side to New Jersey.

551
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: The name of this song is homebound Train.

552
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, homemound train, and you've got the you've got some

553
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,759
of the train sound effects to start this off, Yeah,

554
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:42,000
and then it blows in full on rocker. Like we

555
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,000
said last week, it's like raise your hands on the

556
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,839
first song of side two of Slippery when wet. Yeah,

557
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,079
it's the hardest rocking song on the album.

558
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: Well, and it does that. You know. I talked to

559
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,920
you before about Crossroads. One of the ideas and Crossroads

560
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:01,839
is you've got to be able to imitate a train.

561
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,119
There's just something about trains and rock and roll and

562
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,079
the blues that you've got to be able to do it.

563
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:11,200
And they've got a sound effect at the beginning. It

564
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,079
has a trained sound within that guitar that down is

565
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,119
very much a train rhythmic style of sound. And then,

566
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,359
of course, to go along with the crossroads theme, you've

567
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:25,519
got When I was just a boy, the devil took

568
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:26,799
my hand, so.

569
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: It's very cross I'm wondering. In the middle of this song,

570
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,160
you have the harmonica and you have the dueling organ

571
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,720
that it's it's very different from most Bonchovi songs.

572
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,039
Speaker 2: It's far more blues based, yep.

573
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: And then you have that great guitar solo so you

574
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,680
can see Aero Smith and Jeff Beck. You've got that

575
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,200
slide guitar. Maybe some led Zeppelin, I don't know.

576
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: It's I definitely felt led Zeppelin when I was listening

577
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000
to it today, kind of like led Zeppelin Black Crows.

578
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,119
Nice little mix up there. Yeah, it's good, really good.

579
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,119
Speaker 1: I love the part the song where John at the

580
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,559
top of his range screams woo like like a train,

581
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,799
you know, like the sound of a train. Yeah, all right,

582
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,400
it's a great song. I enjoy it. I'm loving it.

583
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, exciting, feel good song.

584
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, next song it's called Wild is the Wind.

585
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,519
Speaker 2: I just gotta say I am a sucker for the

586
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:44,920
Spanish style guitar. I love, love, love it. Talked about

587
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,920
first song that bon Jovie learned. First song that I

588
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,640
learned was House of the Rising Sun. It has a

589
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:54,599
very Spanish guitar kind of cord progression, and this beginning

590
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,640
is awesome. I love it, and I love the transition

591
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,839
that they make. I love the music that is behind

592
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,240
the lyrics and the song, and I love the lyrics

593
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:25,880
to the song men. But for some reason, to me,

594
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,160
the lyrics and this and the music don't seem like

595
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,400
they belong together. I don't know what it is. I

596
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,680
can't put my finger on it. It just doesn't sound

597
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,319
quite right. It doesn't sound quite like they fit. And

598
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,240
so I wanted to love the song because I loved

599
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,519
all of the components, but it was one that I

600
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,720
just kind of left me going up that wasn't just

601
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:49,839
wasn't quite right. Okay.

602
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,559
Speaker 1: To me, this song feels like a lot of the

603
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,920
stuff that's on the Young Guns two soundtrack that we

604
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,079
get a couple of years later. It has that sort

605
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:04,640
of Western maybe Southwest cowboy type of feel. The Spanish

606
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,680
guitar definitely has that feel to it. Okay. So here's

607
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,799
the story with this song. When they got done with

608
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,759
their thirty demos, Bruce Fairbairn got all the teenagers he knew,

609
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,480
and babysitters and friends and friends of kids and kids

610
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:23,279
friend they put together their little pizza parlor jury. And

611
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,279
when they did it, John asked everyone listening, say, all right,

612
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:27,839
we're gonna listen to these songs. I want you to

613
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,880
rank them. Which ones you think are the best?

614
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: Okay?

615
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: You know what got number one, Born to Be My Baby?

616
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,200
You know what got number two Stick to Your Guns,

617
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,319
which we'll talk about here in a second, okay, And

618
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440
number three was Wild is the Wind? Wow, and John

619
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,720
was like Wow, he was really blown away. He's like,

620
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,680
people really like those songs. And John was like, I

621
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,839
didn't think they were going to make the album. Wild

622
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,240
is the Wind is now on the album because of

623
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,599
that little mini pizza parlor jury.

624
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,839
Speaker 2: Wow. It's kind of one of those things that I

625
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240
don't want to have not heard it. Yeah, it just

626
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,400
I just I feel like it just didn't fit together.

627
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: Like I wanted it to. I still love it, Okay,

628
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,599
I love it. Yeah, Okay, we're done with this one.

629
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:09,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

630
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: Next song is a song called Ride Cowboy, Ride, Devel, Ride.

631
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: Badgy or the sound.

632
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: On the Cuss Memory Round.

633
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: So this beginning with the sound of a record like

634
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,880
you hear the scratch of the record as the as

635
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,840
the needle drops right and you've got that chord at

636
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,599
the beginning. I immediately thought of Pink Floyd Wish You

637
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,199
Were Here, because that's basically the same beginning you've got

638
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,119
that it changes, it's a totally different sounding song past

639
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,119
that first chord, but the record needle and the strum

640
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,559
of the guitar where it sounds like it's not a

641
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,320
good recording and it's off in the distance. That is

642
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,039
straight out of Wish you Were Here.

643
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,639
Speaker 1: I can see where you feel that way, Yeah for sure.

644
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,880
So that was recorded in mono sound. This is not

645
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,760
really a song. I mean, it's just.

646
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: Kind of an intro.

647
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: I would call it an intro to Stick to your Guns.

648
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Right, which is again the same kind of thing. Once

649
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,559
Wish you Were Here picks up, it becomes a full

650
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,360
fledged song. It's not that mono distant sound that this

651
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,840
song has, but it's still good. I still like it.

652
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. Apparently this was the original intention was

653
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,559
for it to be a full song, but they just

654
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,679
could never finish it, and so they had this kind

655
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,320
of course that they liked Ride Cowboy Ride. They just

656
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,320
didn't have a song with it, but they thought it

657
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,760
was good enough to stick on the album as an

658
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,920
intro to Stick to your Guns.

659
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: So there's a song called Ride, Sally Ride by Al Greene.

660
00:35:49,440 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: And everybody would say.

661
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: One of those tapes that they pulled out whenever they're

662
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,280
in their writing.

663
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: Sessions, Sally Ride. That sounds dead on.

664
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

665
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so do you know who is credited as writing

666
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:09,920
the song?

667
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,159
Speaker 2: Oh? It is this the one that's Captain Kidd.

668
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: Captain Kidd and the King of Swing, which.

669
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,079
Speaker 2: Are the code names the nicknames for bon Jovi and

670
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:20,000
Richie Simbora.

671
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:24,079
Speaker 1: Yes, flashback to last week's episode, the lyrics of Let

672
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,239
It Rock, mention, the King of Swing and the Captain

673
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,559
kidd All. Right, now we're onto a song called stick

674
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:31,239
to Your Guns.

675
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:51,599
Speaker 2: So they really are hitting the cowboy thing on this

676
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,079
side of the tape. Yeah, for sure, very western in

677
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,239
there's I think they're trying to capture that lightning in

678
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,920
a bottle from one to Dead or Alive.

679
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,559
Speaker 1: Absolutely agree with you.

680
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: And I gotta say I love this song. I don't

681
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,039
love it like I love one of Dead or Alive,

682
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,920
but this is still a really good song, fantastic song.

683
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,960
I'm surprised this was not a single, not a hit.

684
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,679
It is single worthy and had the radio have been

685
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,400
blasting it all the time when I was a kid,

686
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,920
I probably would have fallen in love with it.

687
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you. This is single worthy. This would have

688
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:30,119
been a big hit with a big concert and video.

689
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,039
The interesting line in this is when you spit, you

690
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:42,559
better mean it. Yeah, definitely. This is this album's wanted

691
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,440
Dead or Alive or blasel Gory. Not quite there, but

692
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:48,239
it was the attempt Yeah, I would call this one

693
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,920
of my most favorite under the radar Bonjovi songs for sure.

694
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,360
Love it, love it. Like we said earlier, this song

695
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,239
was one of those songs that may not have made

696
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,880
the cut of the album if it hadn't been for

697
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:05,039
or the makeshift pizza parlor jury that Bruce Fairburn organized.

698
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,119
Right stick to your Guns. Great song. Next song, I'll

699
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:16,519
be there for You all right. This song was released

700
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,159
April fourth of eighty nine and it hit number one

701
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,960
May thirteenth of eighty nine.

702
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: So we've got this interesting beginning where, unlike the blues

703
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:34,880
and cowboy songs, we've got a sitar, very South Asia

704
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,599
sound going on at the beginning of the song. But

705
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,480
that's over pretty quickly and we jump right back into

706
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:47,039
a very slow blues song and I love it.

707
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,159
Speaker 1: It takes a little while for this song to build

708
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,800
after the guitar solo, it's full on, great power.

709
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: Ballad, fantastic lyrics. Again, I'll be there for you. These

710
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,920
five were I swear to you when you breathe, I

711
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,800
want to be the air for you. I'll be there

712
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,480
for you. Yeah, it's so good. Steal the sun from

713
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,159
the sky.

714
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: For you in order to fully appreciate this song. I

715
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,480
think you have to watch the video. So you have

716
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,480
the guys on stage kind of like living on a prayer.

717
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,719
It's pre concert, and then it kind of moves into

718
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,480
concert footage of Wembley Stadium and it's packed and people

719
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,719
are crammed in there and that their height of popularity.

720
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,920
And at the key change, once again, we have the

721
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,079
standard bon Jovi massive key change in this song. Right,

722
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,000
there's a girl who's weeping, like crying because she's seen

723
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:53,000
bon Jovi and it's it's kind of a touching moment

724
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:56,320
in the video and I'm a sucker for that. But

725
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,000
it looks it just looks awesome.

726
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: It's a perfectly put together song in all ways. I

727
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,880
cannot there's no fault I can find with this song.

728
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:11,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, this song is this album's never Say Goodbye. Yeah,

729
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,960
this one went on a few mixtapes as.

730
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,039
Speaker 2: Well, the Makeout mixtape make.

731
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: This One slid over to the eighty nine version, but yeah,

732
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:30,920
you're on the right track. That brings us to the

733
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:42,679
song ninety nine In the shade.

734
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:48,039
Speaker 2: Oh okay, we start playing a Beach Boys album. Just now,

735
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,679
what's going on here? What's this chorus? What what's this

736
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,119
harmony going on here? Oh okay, here we go. Here's

737
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,559
bon Jovi. Sorry, burning up with fever. Yeah, that's standard

738
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,840
bon Jovi. Oh wait, Jina about?

739
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean Jina, are about? I mean Gena. I'm living

740
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:19,480
on a prayer. Yes, they actually make a reappearance in

741
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,800
this song, and then later again as we said, and

742
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:22,719
that's my life.

743
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this one's about going on with the buddies.

744
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,360
This is Tommy can come as long as Gina says,

745
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:27,920
it's all right.

746
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: This is about hanging out with your buds, cruising down

747
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,840
to the beach and those sort of endless summer nights

748
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,119
of hanging out and having fun. Tell me what's not

749
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:41,239
appealing about this song?

750
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: I love it.

751
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,119
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's all about having summer nights, endless

752
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:49,519
summer nights. We gotta cover Richard Marks one of these days.

753
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,679
Speaker 2: I was really thinking about Greece. But okay, sure, this

754
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,480
is a fun one.

755
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: This is one of the weaker tracks on the album,

756
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,119
but it's still funnest.

757
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,639
Speaker 2: Oh I love this No, I love this song. It's great.

758
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,440
This is another strong song compared to the other song

759
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:06,360
for the album. No, it's not a chart topping hit.

760
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,119
But it's still very very good. Still a great song.

761
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. Nine and nine in the shade, not

762
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,719
a skipper, lots of fun all right. That brings us

763
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,960
to the last track on the album. This song is

764
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:33,199
called Love for Sale hit me all right? What do

765
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:33,519
you think?

766
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: I freaking love it? Another train song. You get that

767
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:41,639
awesome harmonica in there, pulling from the blues again, and

768
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,800
then the lyrics that come in are just what you

769
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,519
want them to be, right, Yeah, woke up wrote out

770
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:49,880
of bit. I love it.

771
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,199
Speaker 1: It's fun, it's it's acoustic, it's bluesy.

772
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:56,079
Speaker 2: It's it's very much like they're in a jam session. Yeah,

773
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,320
like they're just, you know, let's just lay down something

774
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,280
that sounds like a again and see where it goes.

775
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,079
And they they had a nice little finish to this one.

776
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,960
This one reminds me of the end of Back in Black,

777
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,119
where they where they suddenly surprise you with it again.

778
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:18,719
A completely different sounding song and a good I'm.

779
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:23,079
Speaker 1: Talking about rock and roll Lawn's solution. Yes, rock adam roll. Yeah,

780
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:27,000
here's the thing. I've listened to the demos, the extended

781
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,800
version of New Jersey, and there are other songs that

782
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920
are better than love for Sale. That could have easily

783
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:36,440
kicked it off, but I'm glad it made it. It's fun.

784
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:38,519
You can tell they're having a good time recording this

785
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:44,320
that John actually laughs while he's singing. Right, So I'm

786
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,000
I think it's great. I love it. John says, I

787
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,760
feel like a dog that's been kicked in the head,

788
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,440
and Richie goes ouch. Yeah, it's fun.

789
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: We've been living together three years, two hours, twenty minutes,

790
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,440
maybe four hundred beers. You know that this is song

791
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,599
about the band, right.

792
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 1: This was the only song that was recorded in New Jersey.

793
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:06,320
Everything else was recorded in Vancouver.

794
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: Great end. It's a great end to the album.

795
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,079
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's not going to be a radio single,

796
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,920
not probably a top one hundred hit, but it's still fun.

797
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is one of the I feel like

798
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,280
there are some songs that they they're like, let's just

799
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,920
do this for the fans, right, because if you love

800
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:27,079
bon Jovi, you're gonna love listen to them do this

801
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,119
little jam session.

802
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: At this time, they really had the minus touch. They

803
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,159
could have released anything and it would have been a hit.

804
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,559
Speaker 2: They made some that I mean, honestly, they had a

805
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,000
lot of skeptics wondering if they could do what they

806
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,280
did again, and they knocked it out of the park.

807
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,519
Speaker 1: Okay, we're moving into final judgment now.

808
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,559
Speaker 2: I think we can, don't you. Yeah, well, maybe maybe

809
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:48,960
we have a story to tell though before we get

810
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,800
to final judgment.

811
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we got two stories to tell.

812
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we talked about the Moscow Music Peace Festival.

813
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: So the Moscow Peace Festival was how Doc McGee would

814
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,320
have got off. He got Banjo, he got the Scorpions,

815
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,039
he got Ozzie Osbourne, he got skid Row, you got Cinderella.

816
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:06,400
He got all these guys together to go over to

817
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Moscow and play this music festival.

818
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: Right, And the foundation that he put together to make

819
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,960
a difference foundation was an anti drug foundation. And if

820
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,360
you know the history of any of these bands, you

821
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,320
gotta be going.

822
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,159
Speaker 1: Huh right, what right?

823
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: What? Exqueeze me? I listened to Snake Sabos talk about

824
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,480
the getting on the plane and he said, the only

825
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:33,239
guys that were sober was Motley Crue. That's just that

826
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,519
doesn't even make sense.

827
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:35,679
Speaker 1: It makes sense.

828
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: He gets on the plane, He's like, how do they

829
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,280
get all of this booze on the plane and of course,

830
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:44,760
you know, this was just after Girls Girls Girls, and

831
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,760
Nicky six dies twice and they finally were like, you good,

832
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,760
get these guys into rehab and so they were actually clean.

833
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Everybody else was partying, yep, their butts off, And then

834
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:03,440
there's this rumor room reminds you that the CIA might

835
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,599
have been involved in this because of Doc McGee's criminal

836
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,480
stuff and saw it as an opportunity to propagandize the

837
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:17,360
Soviet Union. I mean, actually it was during this festival

838
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:24,039
that the Scorpions wrote Wind of Change, which is about

839
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,079
the changing perceptions that were going on in the Soviet

840
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,559
Union at that time. And then literally the Berlin Wall

841
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,159
comes down within a few months and the Soviet Union

842
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,920
disbands dissolves within a few months. So who knows.

843
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,199
Speaker 1: If you want a really interesting podcast to listen to,

844
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,760
go listen to Wind of Change. It's about the song

845
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,079
Wind of Change by the Scorpions, but it revolves around

846
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:51,000
the Moscow Piece Festival, so very interesting. After you get

847
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,119
done listening to this one, go listen to that. Yeah,

848
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,079
all right, So the Moscow Piece Festival was I believe

849
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,119
August twelfth and thirteenth of nineteen eighty nine. Then just

850
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:03,079
A few weeks later, on September the sixth, nineteen eighty nineties,

851
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,199
John and Ritchie perform at the nineteen eighty nine MTV

852
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,440
Music Awards and they come out with just their acoustic

853
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,800
guitars and they knock out a version of Living on

854
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,039
a Prayer and Wanted Dead or Alive. That absolutely blows

855
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,199
people away this series.

856
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: To each.

857
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: Shot, no power technics, no big band, just two guys

858
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,960
and two guitars, and that performance actually leads to MTV unpluked, right.

859
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:00,960
People were really that performance.

860
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

861
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: And then on September fourteenth, just one week later, I

862
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,519
saw bon Jovi in Tulsa, Oklahoma with everybody in my

863
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,559
high school and it was one of the greatest nights

864
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:12,599
of my high school life.

865
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: So while you were going through that experience, I mean,

866
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,480
I mean, it's amazing that they went from Moscow Music

867
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:24,800
Piece Festival within a few weeks to the MTV amazing

868
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,400
performance that they had, and then a couple of weeks

869
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,199
after that, they're in Tulsa, Oklahoma and you're watching them live.

870
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,039
So that MTV Video Music Awards. I've said it before,

871
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,760
Wanted Dead or Alive is the reason that I started

872
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,760
playing guitar It was that version that made me go,

873
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:44,280
I have to learn how to do what he's doing,

874
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,559
and it was one of the once. I mean, that's

875
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,400
not an easy beginning for a brand new guitarist to play.

876
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,000
It took probably another year or two before I got there,

877
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:57,679
but that was my objective, was I'm going to learn

878
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:59,639
how to play just so that I can learn how

879
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:01,000
to play Want a Dead or Alive?

880
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, kind of an impactful pocket in time

881
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,519
for both you and I.

882
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, isn't it incredible?

883
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:11,199
Speaker 1: All right? Let's talk final judgment, New Jersey versus Slippery

884
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:19,679
When Wet You go first? All right. I love both

885
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
of these albums. I've told you before. These are two

886
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,840
of the four pillar albums in my life. I certainly

887
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,199
don't see anything unseating them. It's New Jersey, it's Slippery

888
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,880
when Wet, It's thriller, and it's hysteria for me. Okay,

889
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,960
everybody else is a little bit different. But when I

890
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:38,159
listen to all these songs for me, Slippery When Wet

891
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,719
has songs like You Give Love a Bad Name, has

892
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,360
songs like Living on a Prayer, which we said maybe

893
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:46,400
the best song of the nineteen eighties. Want a Dead

894
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,480
or Alive maybe one of the greatest eighties rock songs. So

895
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:53,000
you have those three massive pillars from that album, and

896
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:56,199
then you have tons of great songs. There's no throwaway tracks.

897
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,679
Now you switch over to New Jersey. You've got five

898
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,760
tim hits, lay your hands on me. You've got Bad Medicine,

899
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,360
You've got Born to Be My Baby, You've got Living

900
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,519
in Sin, You've got Abby there for you. You've got a

901
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:10,039
couple of weird ones like Love for Sale and Ride

902
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,199
Cowboy Ride. But for me, I think I'm gonna have

903
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,800
to say that Slippery when Wet is probably the better

904
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,039
album of the two, but New Jersey is my favorite album.

905
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,679
I can't divorce my nostalgic feelings from that time of

906
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:32,840
my life. But I'm going with my favorite album, New Jersey.

907
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: Wrap. You totally threw me for a loop. I did

908
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,000
not expect you to do that, son of a gun. Okay,

909
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:46,920
I'm struggling. I'm still struggling. I'm back in the Buldeerham

910
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,159
Major League. Which one of these things is better? And

911
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:58,800
it is almost too difficult to say so. New Jersey

912
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,760
lots of nosalgia. Just like you. I had that album.

913
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,559
I remember it in my I remember listening to that

914
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,280
tape over and over again for years. For years, I

915
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,840
would listen to that tape. And if you look at

916
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,599
the album as a whole, it has less song. It's

917
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:22,320
every single song is at least good. You know, there

918
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,480
are no bad songs on the album. There's the only

919
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,920
one that I mentioned before, as Wild as the Wind,

920
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,519
that just didn't it. I loved each part of it.

921
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:34,519
It just didn't seem to mesh together like it was

922
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,639
supposed to for me. But beyond that, every other single

923
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,440
song on the album is good. And you have more

924
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,719
chart topping songs off of this album than you do

925
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,559
off of Slippery when Wet, and they're amazing. They're timeless,

926
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,440
bad medicine. Lay your hands on me. I'll be there

927
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,800
for you. I mean, there are so many timeless songs.

928
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:58,159
But if I've got to pick, if I got I'm

929
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,280
thinking of a thinking of you out, if I'm walking

930
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,679
out the door and I got to pick one CD

931
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,480
to take with me, which one of it is going

932
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,199
to be? It's got to be Slippery when Wet. You

933
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:13,039
just can't overcome the power of you. Give love a

934
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:16,760
bad name, Living on a prayer, want a Debt or Alive.

935
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,559
I mean, it's just it's too iconic in my my

936
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,760
nostalgic period to not give the nod to Slippery one

937
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,480
Wet for me for.

938
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Sure, fantastic, fantastic, and I can't blame you at all. Yeah,

939
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,000
I got no problem with that. Two fantastic albums. We

940
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:34,719
love them both.

941
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Please, we want to hear from you, guys. Which one

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do you think is the best? Is it Slippery When

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Wet from nineteen eighty six, is it New Jersey from

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nineteen eighty eight?

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Speaker 2: Is it Keep the Faith?

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Speaker 1: Hey? Keep the Faith is one that I would love

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to cover at some point.

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Speaker 2: It's another great album. It's another tape that I had

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that I would make out to all the time.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from you guys. Ride us in email us,

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Go our Facebook page, go to our Twitter page, go

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to our Patreon page. Let's hear from you guys.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say, if you've made it this far,

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we can't tell you how much we appreciate you. You

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guys are awesome. If you can do one thing for us,

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tell somebody that you know about our podcast that you

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think might like it. Do you know somebody who loves

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music from the eighties and nineties. Do you know somebody

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who loves movies from the eighties and nineties. If so,

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just let them know because the more the more clicks

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we get on that subscribe button, the more people find

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out about us. So please, please please let folks know.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, guys, we will see you next thing.