WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.519 Hello everybody, and welcome to the season three finale of 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:08.599 Second Take Cinema, coming at you from the Glorious the 3 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:12.880 Swing in the Hip Hoppy in the Rockin' Im Parlor 4 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:17.359 Film's headquarters in sunny South End on Sea. I'm your host, 5 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:20.960 Jamie Evans, joined as always by Rory Jocelyn June. This 6 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:24.559 is Jazz and because it's the season finale, we are 7 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:29.239 bringing you a double feature episode. That's right, double bill baby, 8 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:34.359 as we talk about two different music based movies made 9 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:38.920 by very popular artists of their respective errors. Today we 10 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:43.280 are giving a second take to nineteen eighty eight's Moonwalker 11 00:00:43.920 --> 00:01:48.319 and nineteen ninety seven's Spice World the movie. So starting 12 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.359 with Moonwalker, this is a nineteen eighty eight American experimental 13 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:56.079 anthology musical film. Now, I just want to put something 14 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.719 in quickly because I've never ever seen this before. As 15 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.640 you know, every time we cover a new film, I 16 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.200 start by reading a little summary off of Wikipedia, the 17 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.280 most you know, great source of information on the Internet, 18 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:10.840 very reliable. It's not like anyone can just edit it. 19 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:16.000 And I've never seen this before. It says verbatim. Moonwalker 20 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:24.280 is a nineteen eighty eight American experimental, open brackets, dubious, discuss, 21 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:30.240 close brackets, anthology, musical film. I mean, and that sums 22 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:33.759 this film up, doesn't it. I think? Is it experimental 23 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.599 genius and it's going over all of our heads? Or 24 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:40.039 is it just insane discuss? That's what we're going to 25 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:45.560 do in a minute, rather than featuring one continuous narrative. 26 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:48.759 This film is a collection of short films, many of 27 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.199 which are long form music videos from Michael Jackson's nineteen 28 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.599 eighty seven album Bad And of course the film is 29 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.960 named after The Moonwalk. It was directed by Jerry Crane, 30 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:05.319 Colin Chilvers, and Jim Blashfield. The screenplay for Smooth Criminal 31 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:09.960 was David Newman, based on a story by Michael Jackson himself. 32 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:11.840 The film was made for a budget of twenty two 33 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:15.840 million dollars and grossed sixty seven million dollars. It is 34 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:18.520 worth noticing, however, that the film ended up not getting 35 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:23.479 a theatrical release in America, because when I read that figure, 36 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.039 sixty seven million dollars, I thought, no, no, that should 37 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.439 be higher, like Michael Jackson, even if the film's bad, 38 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:36.840 Michael Jackson Bad, Yes, Michael Jackson in eight like this 39 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:39.719 should have made one hundred million at yeast, but it 40 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.439 turns out it basically didn't get Warner Brothers pulled the 41 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.439 American theatrical release. It was planned for a Christmas release. 42 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.439 Right, but they which would have fit to be fair 43 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:50.719 with some of the themes in it. 44 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.039 Yes, And it's funny that that's what they do with 45 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.800 musical films because guess when Spice World came out Boxing Day, 46 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.159 Boxing Day nineteen ninety seven. That doesn't look Christmas. See, 47 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:01.960 they should filmed it to look more like Chris. It's 48 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.800 just a music thing they did with music films. They 49 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:06.800 just go, hey, have it in December. I suppose maybe 50 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:08.840 you think people will be more forgiving of the quality. 51 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:10.960 I think so actually, because I think because it goes 52 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.840 with Panto season, so at least in the UK. 53 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.639 I don't know about America because I don't. Although they 54 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.720 didn't go theatrical release, it did incredibly well on VHS. 55 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:23.959 It remained number one on Billboard's Video chart for twenty 56 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.879 two weeks. It also spent fourteen weeks at number one 57 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:32.079 on the Video Cassette Sales chart NICE. In nineteen eighty nine, 58 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:34.800 moon Walker was honored with a certification of eight hundred 59 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.800 thousand copies sold by the Recording Industry Association of America 60 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:43.879 and was certified nine times platinum in the UK. Wow 61 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.839 They Leave Me Alone Music Video aired as a separate 62 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.519 entity and won a Grammy in nineteen ninety for Best 63 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.800 Music Video Short Form, which is the only Grammy Award 64 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.680 Jackson received for the album. Bad They Leave Me Alone 65 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.759 Music Video also won the CANS Golden Lion of for 66 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:05.160 Best Special Effects. Oh Wow. The film did receive mixed reviews, however, 67 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:08.199 with critics praising the music but complaining that there was 68 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.639 no plot and it seemed like a series of music 69 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.959 videos tied together. Variety reported that Moonwalker seems unsure of 70 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.160 what it's supposed to be. At the center of the 71 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:20.639 pick is the Smooth Criminal Segment, a musical slash dramatic 72 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:24.279 piece full of dancing, schmaltzy kids, sci fi effects, and 73 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:29.040 blazing machine guns, directed by Academy Award winner Colin Chilvers, 74 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.720 based on a story by Jackson. I looked up Colin Chilvers. 75 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.000 He actually worked on the Rocky horror picture show Superman, 76 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:40.079 The Christopher Reevewan and X Men Right, not as director 77 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.279 on all of those. To be fair, he was also 78 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.800 a special effects guy. So Moonwalker was added to the 79 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:47.759 list by your good self Rory. So do you want 80 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:50.680 to tell us about the first time you saw Moonwalker. 81 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.560 I would have seen this as a child. I do 82 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:55.600 not know exactly when, but I was born in eighty six, 83 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:57.680 so I was two years old when this came out. 84 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.800 I remember some very early memories of Michael Jackson. Not 85 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.560 to connect this too much as I would normally do 86 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.319 with EGMP, but a lot of my early memories of 87 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:08.879 Michael Jackson wasn't only the music videos that I saw 88 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.240 on TV when they got shown, because I didn't have cable, 89 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.480 so I didn't have MTV. But it wasn't just that. 90 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.279 It was also I remember pictures when I went to 91 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:19.240 Saga World. I went to Saga World once as a kid, 92 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.000 and they had a big photograph where Michael Jackson had 93 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:26.920 signed a Mega drive and stuff at Segaworld. Because that 94 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.319 in the early nineties, there was a huge cross connection 95 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.879 there between Michael Jackson and Saga, so there was this 96 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.160 huge sort of Michael Jackson was hugely in the zeitgeist. 97 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.120 I was aware of him. I'd seen the music videos, 98 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.519 and at some point I got to see this movie, 99 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.000 and I remember when I watched this movie as a 100 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.920 kid that there were bits that I really enjoyed, and 101 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:53.199 I also remember it being absolutely batshit, which I then 102 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.399 didn't watch it again from probably the early. 103 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:58.160 To mid nineties. 104 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.160 There would be a huge bit where I'd forget this 105 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.879 film existed. And then I got it on Blu Ray 106 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:10.000 about ten years ago, maybe a bit more, and I'll 107 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.720 tell you what this is the version that we watched. 108 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.800 It looks incredible on Blu Ray. Like the visual quality 109 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.759 of that is. If you're itching to watch Moonwalker, that 110 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:19.519 would be the way I would suggest to watch it, 111 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.959 because it looks so much better and the sound is great. 112 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.000 But watching it again, I was like, I remember this 113 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.319 being a little bit zany I'll watched. 114 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.879 And yeah, you could say that. I will give one 115 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:35.519 last thing. 116 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.920 About my perception of Moonwalker as a kid was I 117 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.120 remember the absolutely adoring the speed demon section where he 118 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.720 becomes a plastic scene rabbit and rides away on a motorcycle. 119 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:51.879 We'll get to that specifically for the motorcycle. Yeah, And 120 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.560 it was one of the early movies from my youth 121 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.680 that I watched and made me really love cruiser motorcycles. 122 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:04.079 That terminate two with Arno Schwarzenegger's big Cruiser motorcycle like 123 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.439 Big Harley. So I have some affection for this film. 124 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:10.360 It doesn't stop it being batshit, and I knew that 125 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:12.079 when I recommended it for this show. 126 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:13.360 I knew that. 127 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:18.079 I'll be honest JB a little bit. It was can 128 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.800 I break JBI with this film? Because I knew it 129 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.160 goes so off the rails. I wanted to see if. 130 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:29.000 You could follow along, right. So I was not familiar 131 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:30.920 with this movie. I knew it existed. I knew there 132 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:35.480 was a Michael Jackson Milwalker film, but I, believe it 133 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:38.320 or not, did not really know much about Michael Jackson 134 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.639 growing up. I know most people did well, because he 135 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.039 was a fucking megastar. You were born in ninety one, 136 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:48.559 so you were five years ninety ninety Okay, sorry, but yeah, 137 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.919 so you were born four years later than me, and 138 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.120 so by the time you would have had a memory 139 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:56.519 of Michael Jackson, you were looking at sort of ninety 140 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:00.559 five ninety six, So by that point he's star had 141 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.799 faded quite a bit. Yes, but you know what I mean, 142 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.679 Because of how big a story was, a lot of 143 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.000 people my age knew him still, yeah, because their parents 144 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.480 liked him, and my parents just didn't particularly like Michael Jackson, 145 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.559 so I never really got exposed to his music. They 146 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:20.240 liked Elvis Presley, so I wasn't super familiar with Michael Jackson. However, 147 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.200 I will just tell a very quick story about how 148 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:29.320 Michael Jackson has permeated pop culture so thoroughly. I years 149 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.879 and years later, I got hired when I first moved 150 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:34.799 to South End, I got hired to film on Michael 151 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:39.879 Jackson tribute concert. Right, So, me a couple of other 152 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.039 guys were paid a small amount of money. We have 153 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.480 three cameras and we just filmed this Michael Jackson performance. 154 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.799 And to be fair, I was surprised how many songs 155 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.600 I knew because I went in being like, okay, I 156 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:55.919 know Thriller, Billy Jean, and beat It. I didn't even 157 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.120 know bad. I was like, I know three songs, and 158 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:03.919 I actually almost every song he played I recognized, even 159 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:05.440 if I couldn't name it. I was like, oh, yeah, 160 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.000 I've heard this before. So this was my first time 161 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:11.799 seeing Moonwalker. I didn't know what to expect, except for 162 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.360 a handful of things you told me were cheers. You 163 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.639 had told me that Joe Peschi was in it. Yeah, 164 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.600 he's the only other celebrity in the film. Yeah, playing 165 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:23.440 mister Bige. Although he's actually got a name. He's Lideo 166 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:27.840 Frank Ldeo, which I noticed is a anagram of the 167 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:32.559 co producer's name. Oh really, Yeah, interesting, Joe Peshi is Ladeo. 168 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.639 The real life person is Delayo. Right, So I thought 169 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:39.720 that was a funny little thing. Yeah, so I'm going 170 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.399 to start. What makes it weird talking about this film 171 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.759 is it's not a movie if you're going to watch it. 172 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.240 I'm not saying this as a don't watch it. I'm 173 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:52.559 just saying this so people go in knowing what this is. 174 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:54.600 It is only a movie in the sense that it's 175 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.559 ninety minutes. It's not a movie in the sense of 176 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.320 it's actually a bunch of short films and music videos 177 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:06.200 that are put together. Now, there's still value, There is 178 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.000 still some value in it. I'm not saying there's no 179 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:11.879 value in it, especially given the impact Michael Jackson had, 180 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.000 the likes of which we probably will never see again. No, 181 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.039 so the film starts with just straight up concert footage 182 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.200 of Michael Jackson doing Man in the Mirror. Yes, it 183 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.720 is so yes, there is a good one. It is 184 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:26.600 a good one, to be fair. The songs in this 185 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:28.200 are all good except for one, which I'll get to 186 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.360 you later, this one and that I didn't like, but 187 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.559 we'll get to it probably. You then get a ten 188 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:38.279 minute long Greatest Hits compilation. Yes, that basically is the 189 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.559 complete history of Michael from the Jackson five to him 190 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.919 going solo, and it's mostly made up of music, video footage, 191 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.919 a couple of stills, some sound clips, randomly a photo 192 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.519 of him meeting President Reagan yep, which seems like a 193 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.720 choice in nineteen eighty eight. Well, actually, on those little 194 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:56.279 inserts I put here on mine, I said, it shows 195 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.440 an ego when has put footage of himself in his 196 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:05.960 Man on the Mirror performances alongside footage of Martin Luther King, 197 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:11.000 Junior GANDHI things like that, it's like, yes, me and 198 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.200 Martin Luther King. It's like, that's a bit of a trip, man, Like. 199 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:17.440 Don't get me wrong. In terms of social impact, probably 200 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.600 is equal value in that sense. But in terms of 201 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.159 the importance of the role you brought Martin Luther King 202 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:27.320 was to do with the face of the civil rights Luther, Yeah, 203 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.600 versus Hey, I make great songs. 204 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.480 Yeah, it's not. You are on a similar level in 205 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.559 terms of being known. You're not on a similar level 206 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:39.720 in terms of what you've brought. It's it's kind of different. 207 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.279 You said something there that will come back to later, 208 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:43.720 but it is one of the things I think it 209 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.679 is interesting to compare with these two films. Yes, is 210 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:52.320 this this film is made by Michael. Yes, he's self fondered. Yeah, 211 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.919 and it's very for better and for worse. It is 212 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.879 very of Michael, if I if I can say this 213 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.879 straight from the off, it is actually though the thing 214 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.320 for me that makes this the more interesting movie because 215 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:10.519 at the very least, while it's and I don't necessarily 216 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.120 think it's always in a good light for Michael, and 217 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.440 we'll get to those pieces, but because it is so 218 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:17.519 much Michael. 219 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:21.720 He wrote the base of it, he fully funded it. So, 220 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:24.399 like we said on VGMP with Uve Bowl, there's no 221 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.919 one to tell him no. He ends up with a 222 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.759 narrative he wants to display, but within that sometimes he 223 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.879 makes statements he doesn't mean to. He doesn't either intend 224 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.919 or doesn't understand he's accidentally making, which means that there 225 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:42.120 is something to discuss and look into whereas with the 226 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.559 next film we're going to discuss, it doesn't have that 227 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:45.440 element to it. 228 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:49.759 Now. I have noticed it takes a full twenty minutes 229 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.720 into this movie before we get any actual original footage 230 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.120 that's been shot for this movie. 231 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.600 Yes, before we get to that bit. But yes, that 232 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:59.440 is a very good point. I have also noted that 233 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:02.120 twenty minutes since we start to do some narrative. If 234 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:06.320 you are into MJ the intro twenty minutes is still 235 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:10.840 very good because it not only shows footage from the past, 236 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.600 but it strikes them from the best available sources. So 237 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:17.679 while Thriller doesn't look amazing necessarily, it is at least 238 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.840 struck from the film negative they used. There are some 239 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.600 bits that are struck from videotape or live TV transmissions 240 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.759 because there wasn't anything more available. And there is also 241 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:29.399 an animated android woman. 242 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:33.279 Bit, yes, which I liked. Yeah, I thought that was 243 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:33.799 really cool. 244 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:35.679 I don't know if that was made for this film, 245 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.440 because it is incredibly high quality, but I don't know 246 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:40.039 if it was made for the film, if it was 247 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.600 made for something else. And like like for one of 248 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:45.960 his other music videos, and he's just sort of planted 249 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.399 it in. That's kind of the difficulty of this is 250 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.120 you can't tell what's made for the movie and what's 251 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:55.720 not unless you already know where the music videos are from. Yeah, 252 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.720 but yeah, there are some where he does these animated inserts. 253 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:02.559 They are fantastic, Like the actual quality of them is 254 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:03.039 very good. 255 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.840 Then you get a parody of the bad music video 256 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:12.679 with children. I didn't get it. I didn't get it. 257 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.480 Like the kids are all great dancers, Like the kids 258 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:17.840 do a wonderful job. There is no slight to the kids. 259 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.000 But why not put the bad music video? But what 260 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.039 does it mean? Yeah? 261 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.000 Well, I can actually answer that as far as I'm 262 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.879 aware from what I've read before about this film. The 263 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.320 reason that that's done that way because realistically he should 264 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:32.840 have just put the bad music video in. 265 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:36.200 Yeah, because White transitions to next is him coming off of. 266 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.519 That set, Yeah, as an adult. But yeah, in the 267 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:41.519 he's also played by a kid who's also a kid 268 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.320 who appears later in the movie. So why is he 269 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.759 he becomes MJ at this point as if that's young MJ. 270 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.960 But then that kid appears later on seeing MJ in 271 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:53.639 another scene. 272 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.360 Just like It's one of those things that again, you're 273 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:58.960 just like, you just didn't fucking think any of this through. 274 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:04.120 But yeah, during that segment, the reason was MJ thought 275 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:10.120 it would be funny, and he genuinely loved that sequence. 276 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.919 He thought that the guy who plays the young MJ 277 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:16.440 doing the dancing was hilarious. Apparently he was cracking up 278 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.320 off camera all the time, which is fair enough. 279 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.559 If you enjoy it, Michael, that's great. It's one of 280 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.799 those things though, where I think a producer would have gone, 281 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:28.399 cool idea. But maybe because this is about MJ, we 282 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:29.919 should actually show the MJ video. 283 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.879 Yeah, if we're gonna do it, it's funny to you, Michael, 284 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.000 it's not funny to anybody. 285 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.399 Yeah, but again, where he's the guy bankrolling the whole thing, 286 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.240 he's also his own producer, and he's the guy right 287 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:42.919 in it. Who's going to tell Michael what to do 288 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:43.759 with his own money. 289 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:48.080 Oh, certainly not in nineteen eighty eight. No, so as 290 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.600 we said, this then transitions to Michael being an adult, 291 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.399 and this launches us into the next segment of the film, 292 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:58.879 which is called speed Demon. And this is the first 293 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.399 time we get to see Michael Jacks an act. YEP. 294 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.200 If you can call it that, and he is being 295 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:09.440 chased through a studio lot, yes, by caricatures of tourists. Yes, 296 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:10.799 as are made of claymation. 297 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.160 Yes, we also get a couple of claymation caricatures of 298 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.000 Steven Spielberg and Lee van Cleif, Yes, who chased him 299 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:18.640 a horseback. 300 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.359 And I don't even turns into a dragon for some reason. 301 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.640 Yeah, he gets some angry turns into a dragon. The 302 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.599 other thing, as well is I don't think Lee van 303 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:32.720 Cleeff was alive at this point, so having Steven Spielberg 304 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.920 directing Levan Cleef in a western seems a bit out 305 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.119 of place, like at least make it seem like a 306 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:39.000 believable shoot. 307 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.960 Yeah, I thought it was interesting because obviously this is 308 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.720 stop motion crossed with live action footage. Yes. And I 309 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.319 also noticed a little trick they've used. I don't blame 310 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:55.720 them one bit because stop motion is incredibly time consuming, Yeah, 311 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.319 which also means it's incredibly expensive. 312 00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.960 And they do it through it pretty much the entire 313 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.440 music videos, so actually fair play, they don't. 314 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.200 So they do a little trick I know, if you notice, 315 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.160 they do a little trick to get around some of it, 316 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:11.359 which is whenever it's a person in the background who's 317 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.960 not really the focus. They're not actually stop motion animation. 318 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.519 It is a regular person where they've actually made latex 319 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.680 heads of the stop motion model. And it's just you 320 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.599 can always tell because the person's movement is obviously well, 321 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:26.960 they're acting smoother. 322 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.480 They're moving like a person, but the head doesn't move 323 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.680 and it's clearly unbalanced on their head, wobbling on their head. 324 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.599 I did what I like about this sequence. It's not 325 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.000 a good sequence, let's put it that way in terms 326 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.559 of what it says. But that's kind of the bit 327 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:44.680 that I was saying about where this is all from 328 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.119 Michael's brain. This kind of feels like a slip up 329 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:50.759 that a producer would have caught and not had him make, 330 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:54.039 where it kind of fills it with the journalists, it 331 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.200 makes sense. There's bits of journalists, which there's a bit 332 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:57.960 that's really odd where you have like a line of 333 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.880 journalists in a row or walking in lockstep with. 334 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.759 Their cameras in front of their faces. That sort of 335 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.160 imagery is great. Yeah, the problem is is when he's 336 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.160 trying to run away from his fans and his fans 337 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:12.640 are like, my god, they're turning into like grotesque monsters 338 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.079 almost because they are so obsessed and they're not girl 339 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.359 sort of stuff. You're like, do you hate your fans? 340 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.599 Like this kind of feels like I understand, like not 341 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.279 liking the obsession from fans, that's that I get and not. 342 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.000 But you could have done that same story and in 343 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.839 fact did with the journalists having the being the paparazzi 344 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.119 that have the obsession and not had the statement almost 345 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.640 about your fans. And I'm not sure that I don't 346 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:41.720 I doubt that Michael Jackson wanted to make a statement 347 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.920 about his fans. But this is the interesting bit. 348 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.240 Is he making a statement about his fans and now 349 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.440 you can have that discussion. Yeah, personally, I think he's 350 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:56.759 accidentally let slip a little bit of frustration. Yeah, yeah, 351 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.519 I think he's accidentally saying more than he intended. But 352 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.279 it could just be an accident, and he was just like, 353 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.119 I love my fans, but you know, I just thought 354 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:04.920 it would be funny. 355 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.720 The part that's really weird in this section is he 356 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.599 goes and hides in a room, comes back out as 357 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:13.799 the rabbit Spike, yes, implying he has transformed into a rabbit. However, 358 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.519 when he then after we've had the chase sequence. He 359 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:18.640 then takes the rabbit costume off. You're like, oh, okay, 360 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.079 it was just Michael wearing a costume, but then the 361 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.440 costume comes to life. Yes, so so what was it. 362 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.480 Did he turn into a rabbit? Did he split into 363 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.920 two different people? Because right at the very end, the 364 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:35.079 rabbit becomes a mountain? Yeah, so does it really matter, Jamie, No, 365 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.519 this is my least favorite part in the film because 366 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:43.240 I also don't like the song speed Demon. It's the 367 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:44.880 only song in it that doesn't sound like a Michael 368 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:47.359 Jackson song to me. Oh, it's what I think of 369 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:51.000 with Michael Jackson weirdly. Oh really, Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, 370 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.519 I mean obviously different strokes for different folks and any 371 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.559 sort of music, but yeah, for me, it's kind of 372 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:57.920 the epitome. But it is. 373 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.680 What is kind of interesting with Speed Demon in terms 374 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.359 of album releases is it is on The Bad Album 375 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.359 in the UK, but it's not on The Bad Album 376 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.680 in America. Okay, so Speed Demon actually you could classify 377 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:12.720 as being part of one of like the Bad is 378 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:18.000 arguably his best ever album, and either depending on where 379 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:20.400 you live, it either is on that album or it 380 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.480 isn't right, and it's so very depending on territory. 381 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.359 But with this the one. So there's two things that 382 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.519 I something I don't understand in this is he comes 383 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:34.440 out as Spike, steals a bicycle to escape, and then 384 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.759 when he realizes he's gonna get away, he then turns around, 385 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.079 go whistles at the fucking crowd and goes it's me 386 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.599 basically and dancing. Oh, he's dressed as a rabbit. You're like, 387 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:46.960 so you're big a little more then, so Chase Mid 388 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:51.119 chase me. Oh, they're not chasing Chase Mid chasing Michael. 389 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:54.920 This doesn't make you look good. You're you're encouraging it 390 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.640 if nothing, But to be fair, that is kind of 391 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:01.839 the duality of celebrity, isn't it is they both love 392 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.759 the attention and come to resent it. Yeah, but again, 393 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:06.799 I don't think he's trying to make a statement on it. 394 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:10.279 He's just accidentally done so because there's no one checking 395 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.359 the work and going, Michael, you know how this looks? 396 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.200 I will say, like, as I say, speed Demon is 397 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.440 one of the reasons that I absolutely love the type 398 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.759 of motorbike that I now own. So that's another reason 399 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.400 I watched this as a kid this music video separately 400 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.440 and fucking adored it. What I will say about this bit, though, 401 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.119 is something else about this footage. Now, obviously there's stop motion, 402 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.839 but the backgrounds aren't stop motion. The backgrounds are live action. 403 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.920 Footage speeding through cities, sometimes with like a frame like 404 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:43.240 a like where they have a long exposure, that's it. 405 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.599 Sometimes with a long exposure so that you get like 406 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.079 streaks from the street lights as they pass. That footage 407 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:53.559 is gorgeous, and I really one thing that's really good 408 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:55.839 about this film is a cinematography, and this bit doesn't 409 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:01.440 doesn't let let you down either. We've lost being able 410 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:03.839 to shoot night shoots in streets for some reason in 411 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:06.240 modern cinema. I don't know why, and I'm not just 412 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:08.920 going with oh because it's all cgi even when we 413 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:13.160 do film in actual streets in actual night. But we 414 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:16.400 can't get street lights to look like this anymore, the 415 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:18.400 sort of the way you get the glare come off 416 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.240 from the lights, sort of bluish tint you get out 417 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:21.880 of the lighting. 418 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.680 We talked about this on our Terminator episode. They use 419 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.480 mercury light in the light. The light bulbs are physically 420 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.319 different now and they don't have the same, not even 421 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:34.200 just the mercury ones. They're at least in the UK. 422 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.279 I don't know about America, to be fair, in the 423 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.920 UK they're nearly all led now. But I get what 424 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.680 you mean. Yes, it's not the same. Stuff doesn't look 425 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.960 the same on film anymore. Everything looks workman like now 426 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.480 because they get in they and I get it. Budgets 427 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.359 are getting tighter and tighter because everything's becoming more expensive. 428 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.920 But it is most content. You see, Well, they're the 429 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.440 word content. It's viewed as content, not as art. So 430 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.960 it's getting do the basic angle, shoot the damn thing 431 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.000 and get out. Well, you say everything's getting more expensive, 432 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.440 but to a certain level. Does it have to be. 433 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:12.920 Because like, for example, yes, like the cost of people, 434 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.160 for example, is more expensive now than it was, and 435 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.240 that is, to be honest, the bulk of costs in 436 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:23.519 any production, however, the cost of actually filming something should 437 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:27.039 be way down in terms of the technical costs should 438 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:27.359 be But. 439 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.960 It's not because capitalism sucks. Yeah, well no, because everything's 440 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.160 going up because of inflation, isn't it raw materials and shit, 441 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.799 I get that, but the raw material isn't really a 442 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:41.000 big issue anymore in at least one particular way, in that, 443 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.599 despite what Tarantino might say about what's real film and 444 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.720 what's not, most films now don't need to be shot 445 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:51.039 on cinema film, So the cost of the reel is 446 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.440 obviously you've got only so much real and you've got 447 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:55.079 to you know, blahlah blah blah. 448 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:56.880 But with digital you don't really have that issue. It's 449 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.440 not a you don't run out of it. You you know, 450 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.160 you have to empty the cards and stuff, so you've 451 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.599 still got more time, but you don't run out of it. 452 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:10.519 It's not a disposable material. So theoretically you've got as 453 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.680 that that's a cost saving. But then I think the 454 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.200 other problem with that, of course, is half the time, 455 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.960 even if you've got a big budget studio, they lease everything, 456 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.920 don't they, rather than buy their own equipment. So actually 457 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.279 the cost saving they would have had is thrown out 458 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:25.759 the window. 459 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:32.039 That's the things films are almost designed to be as 460 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.680 expensive as possible. It is a little bit of a 461 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.640 money pit buy design so that they can then claim 462 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.559 films cost more to make than they actually do. Yeah, 463 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.759 A discourages little guys from getting into it, and b 464 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.079 it means they can fiddle the books on the back end. 465 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.559 Maybe it also gives it from me. 466 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:50.680 Maybe it also gives the studios a bit more power 467 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:52.880 because if they go right, well, you've got twenty million, 468 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:54.480 make a decent film out of that. 469 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:56.799 You might go right well, as. 470 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.400 The director, I want to stipulate I want this, this, this, 471 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.440 and this in it. If they go, well, we're spending 472 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:03.839 two hundred million on this film, so whatever you say 473 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.119 doesn't really matter because it's not your two hundred million. 474 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:07.839 But that's what I mean by that, keeping the little 475 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:09.480 guys out of it as well. Yeah, because once upon 476 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:11.039 a time you'd have had a directicle all right, I'm 477 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:12.559 not gonna work like this. I'm gonna go to a 478 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:16.000 smaller studio, yeah, and make the film cheaper. But they're 479 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.039 convincing everyone that the minimum you can spend on a 480 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.519 film is one hundred million. Yeah, which is insane. It's insane. 481 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.960 So the next section is leave me alone again. This 482 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.480 is just a music video. It's a good music video. 483 00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:30.640 I enjoyed it, and I enjoyed this song. Yeah, it's 484 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:31.119 a good song. 485 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.920 And actually, this is where I think Michael Jackson's put 486 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.440 in a message that he did intend, which is he 487 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.599 is the fair ground ride that all of the animeatics 488 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:45.359 are being built around, and yeah, and him eventually breaking 489 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.480 out of it at the end, and obviously the meaning 490 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.839 of the song itself, just Leave Me Alone, makes a 491 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:53.319 lot of sense. I think this should have come before 492 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:59.000 the speed Demon section because this basically explains the speed 493 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.240 Demon section. Yeah, so it would have been a case of, 494 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:06.480 you know, he comes off of bad and gets harassed, 495 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.680 and then he makes this song just leave Me Alone, 496 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.079 and then in the end wants to fuck off, so 497 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.920 he gets on the motorbiking goes on his way, and 498 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:16.759 then that would lead us to the next section, because 499 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:20.160 then we have after this it like is really disjointed. 500 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.680 You get this whole song just Leave Me Alone, and 501 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.839 the whole film at this point has basically been segments, 502 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.200 and then the next bit suddenly is like, hey. 503 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.640 Let's open up this fantasy film. Hurrah narrative begins and 504 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:36.160 that is at thirty seven minutes into A ninety s. 505 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.119 I wrote that down as well, thirty seven minutes smooth 506 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.920 Criminal begins. Yeah, but not actually smooth Criminal. Over that 507 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:47.200 segment is smooth Criminal. So some of the headlines in 508 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:50.160 the leave me alone. Thing are taken from real headlines, 509 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.319 real news stories that we're written about Michael, like sleeps 510 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.519 in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. Yes, that he has Bubbles 511 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.599 the monkey as a pet, that he's got surgery addiction, 512 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.079 but no, I really liked the image of him being 513 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.160 the amusement park. This film's got almost This video has 514 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.279 got almost a stop motion quality to it as well. 515 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.160 It does not claymation though. 516 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.039 No, they live action footage of Michael, like when he's 517 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:13.640 in the rocket ship and stuff like that. 518 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:15.400 It's the ride, but he's not. 519 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:17.880 It's not a I think they've dropped it to like 520 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.000 twelve frames a second to make it feel like animation. 521 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.200 It reminded me this very high quality though something else 522 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.519 they like to do in the eighties, because it reminded 523 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.559 me a lot of Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer video, which is 524 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.599 a similar thing. Okay, but no, I liked this one. 525 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.240 But again, it's not a film. Yeah, it's a music video. 526 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.519 We're not seeing a narrative actually start and finish yet. 527 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.519 So we're thirty seven minutes in, We're nearly halfway through 528 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.160 the movie, and we if we were to pause at 529 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.799 this point and go, Jamie, what's the theme of this movie. 530 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.640 You'd be like, like make music videos, Like that's all 531 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.359 you've got. We've not had an act one. This does 532 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.680 not fit a three act structure by any stretch. Like 533 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:02.440 Act one is forty minutes long, and it's not any narrative. 534 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.240 Not at all. So the smooth criminal segment, So this 535 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.839 is the bulk of the film. This is the bulk 536 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.440 of the narrative. It is a it's an extended short film. 537 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.200 It's probably about half an hour long something like that, 538 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:21.000 from a story by Michael Jackson himself. And it does 539 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:26.160 it not a show, it's it's something. I will say 540 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:32.480 one thing before we start. This entire sequence looks phenomenal 541 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.880 in terms of cinematography, lighting, sets, choreography. When we get 542 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:43.000 to the dance segments, one of the best pieces of cinema. 543 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:48.720 There's clearly there's clearly been money spent here. The lighting's great, 544 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.119 the choreography is great, the camera work is great, fairly certain. 545 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:55.440 The sets there on are sets that are used usually 546 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.200 in gangster films in America that would have been a 547 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:58.119 backlot somewhere. 548 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.319 Yeah, but they look incredibles got a real noir feel. 549 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.759 This film, this part of the film loves a Dutch 550 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:09.039 tilt mate and loves them, but it uses it so well, 551 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:12.880 like it knows when to employ these things. But unfortunately 552 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.559 this is like putting lipstick on a pig, because the 553 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:21.279 story is nothing. It's he comes out of his music 554 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.599 shop and they shoot him. Michael Jackson gets shot by 555 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.279 a bunch of gangsters. Well right, no, does he sing 556 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:31.160 smooth criminal? First he escapes as the car first right 557 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.640 to so he gets shot by but well no, no, 558 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.559 First of all, he frolics in a field with some children. 559 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:39.519 So he comes out of the music So the kids 560 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.720 are on the rooftops of what looks like New York Street. Yeah, 561 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:43.839 we got to find Michael. 562 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.039 They look over the side of a building and they 563 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.839 see him coming out of a music shop in a 564 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.519 white jacket, white like a white overcoat. You get this 565 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.799 sort of almost fantasy musical, beautiful sort of sound coming 566 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.279 through the sound waves. And then as he walks down 567 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.519 the street, you suddenly hear the like the frog marching 568 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.519 of all these soldiers and they look like, I'm gonna 569 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:05.519 put it this way, they look like what you'd expect 570 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:09.039 from a cyberpunk movie. As like a corporate or dystopian 571 00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:13.039 capitalist soldier army, and then just through the middle of 572 00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:14.079 them is Joe. 573 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:19.440 Peshi with a real choice for a haircut. He's made. 574 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.640 To be fair to Joe Peshi, he probably got offered 575 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.599 a shitload of money to be in a film that 576 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.839 didn't take him very long to actually make chew all 577 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.119 the scenery, and later on he slaps the shit out 578 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.039 of the little girl in the film. But it's just like, 579 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:34.319 I get a beat up a kid. 580 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.359 Fuck it I'm doing. He either must have been paid 581 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.200 a fortune or he must have just been a gigantic 582 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.400 Michael Jackson fan. Either way, and it's just like, yeah, whatever, 583 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.400 I'll do whatever stupid thing you want, as long as I. 584 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.720 Don't have any any qualms of Peshi. In this he's 585 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.519 chewing the scenery just the way he should. 586 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.720 His hair is so it's like pulled back really tight, yes, 587 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:56.759 and then it's in a ponytail, but instead of just 588 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.799 hanging down like a ponytail usually does, it's stuck up 589 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.359 ramrod straight, like like it's an antenna or something on 590 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.759 the back of his head. And what's really funny is 591 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.240 later on when his great hat on you could see 592 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:14.599 that that hair style is gone because you down. Yeah. 593 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.319 But yeah, he has all his men shoot and kill Michael, 594 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.119 and we just get close up on the kids show, 595 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.000 no not Michael, and then we get this flashback to 596 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.359 the past where him and the three children and a 597 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.599 dog go running off to play. What's weird is they 598 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.759 play like American football slash rugby, but with a soccer ball. 599 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:32.920 Yeah, this was a bit weird. 600 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.680 This is because it adds to nothing, though I did 601 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:37.640 notice that it's the same location they used in the 602 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.440 pilot episode of Deep Space nine. They run across the 603 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.799 river on that wooden bridge, and that wooden bridge is 604 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.920 where Cisco first meets Jake Cisco. 605 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:49.279 Oh okay, yeah, it's I'm not going to have cast 606 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:54.440 any aspersions here. I'm just going to say, looking back 607 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.279 on this film from this viewpoint where we can't forget 608 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.880 certain accusations that were made about Michael Jackson not necessarily 609 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.240 true but not necessarily true. And I'm not saying that 610 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.279 they're true, but definitely not necessarily falseeen but the fact 611 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.279 that he is this just feels really weird that he 612 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:18.359 made a film it's him in control, and it's just 613 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.640 got scenes of him running around a field with a 614 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.440 bunch of children, hiding behind barrels with a bunch of children. 615 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.160 He's got no adult friends in this film. 616 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.960 No, But also he has no adult friends. The kids 617 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.960 don't seem to have parents. No, there's no mention of 618 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.519 him being there to look after them, and if he was, 619 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.519 why they're not his house. Like again, if the man 620 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.440 is innocent of all the accusations, this film does not help, No, 621 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.720 because it just it's thrown in there with no context. 622 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.319 I'm sure going to play with these kids. That sounds bad. 623 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.839 I'm gonna go and play football with these kids, just 624 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.039 but for no conceivable reason that matches in with plot. 625 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.039 I'm sure he had good intentions. I'm sure it was 626 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.640 just sort of a well, you know, I want to 627 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.840 show that I'm really friendly and whatnot. 628 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.199 To be fair, with the way this film is written, 629 00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.440 I can imagine he's not even thought about any sort. 630 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.199 Of now and this mean it's just I like kids. 631 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.000 I'll, you know, do scenes where you know I'm being 632 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:21.400 a good guy with these kids. 633 00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:23.840 I want to be a transformer. I'll be a transformer. 634 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.519 And this is five years before any accusations were made, 635 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:30.239 so I'm sure this crossed nobody's mind in nineteen eighty 636 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.159 ninety eight. I just I'm looking back from a twenty 637 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.880 twenty six less. It's hard to separate it when the 638 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.280 allegations were what they were, So like you said, with 639 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.199 mat Joe Peshi, Michaelaedeo, who literally has a line where 640 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.800 he's like, I'm Michu Ladeo, and I won't stop till 641 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.079 every kid on earth is on drugs or something somehow 642 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.039 has a massive death ray at the end. Yeah, like, 643 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.280 what sort of drug dealer has a fuck off huge 644 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:58.599 planetary death ray. Also, I don't understand why they go 645 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.840 into his lair because they him and the girl alone 646 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.079 run off away from the other kids because the dog 647 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:06.800 has run off and they've gone to look for the dog. 648 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.280 They go through an area that says no trespassers, and 649 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.440 they go in anyway because they think the dog's gone there. 650 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.360 They go into a cave which is full of cobwebs 651 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.360 and spiders. For some reason, then spiders the spiders that 652 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.079 have nothing to do with Joe Peshi except for he 653 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.199 doesn't seem to care that they're all around his lair. 654 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.000 I think he's using them to transport the drugs. 655 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.719 Maybe, I mean that makes sense, just inject them through 656 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:28.400 the spiders. 657 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.119 Who's going to know it's him? They go into this 658 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.480 cave and then there's like, oh, there's a spider shaped 659 00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.559 button that Mike uster press that opens the doorway to 660 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.719 the evil hidden lair. And I'm like, Michael, how do 661 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.599 you think the dog pressed that button? Like you're you're 662 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.039 meant to be looking for a dog and it could 663 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.440 be an intelligent dog. You don't know. Okay, speeding up 664 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.039 a little bits. We've got two films to do, so 665 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.519 I talk about this bit. So Michael Jackson gets cordered 666 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.880 by Joe Peshi and his goons, yes, and jumps to 667 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.559 the present day. He's hiding in an alley. Show how 668 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:01.639 he escapes getting shot. 669 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.239 We just see his jacket is full of holes, but 670 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:05.760 he's managed to run off down the street. 671 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.360 Yeah, he's hiding in an Alleyway. You get a modicum 672 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.039 of tension where Joe pes. She's like, oh, he's like 673 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:15.880 he's looking into the alley, like, oh, I think he 674 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.800 knows Michael's there. He orders the firing squadcraftter Michael. Michael 675 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.119 runs to a dead end and then what's he going 676 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:23.719 to do. What is Michael Jackson going to do? And 677 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.960 he looks up and he sees a logical thing to 678 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.239 do at this point, clearly, he looks up and sees 679 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.599 a shooting star and wishes that he was a car. 680 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:38.079 Michael Jackson transforms into a car, a terrible looking sci 681 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:38.840 fi car. 682 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.159 So as well, when I was a kid, I thought 683 00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.800 this car looked really cool. On the behind the scenes 684 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.440 of this the car barely works, so all the scenes 685 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.119 of it moving is mostly it's being pushed because the 686 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.639 car didn't really function very well. And then the bit 687 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:55.880 where it has to blast off, they had to animate 688 00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:58.880 because the car just didn't go that fast and couldn't 689 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.880 travel that far without breaking down. So the car itself 690 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:03.599 is actually shit. 691 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.760 But this is where it devolves for me a little 692 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:12.079 bit on when he becomes the car. How does that devolve? 693 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.039 Then it picks up again because we do the smooth 694 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:18.280 criminal music anyow, which is again the best parts of 695 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.119 this film is when Michael Jackson. Surprisingly enough, the best 696 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.880 parts of this film are the parts where Michael Jackson 697 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.880 does the thing Michael Jackson is famous for, which is 698 00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:27.960 singing and dancing. 699 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.239 Yeah, but I will say this music video is probably 700 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.079 one of the best music videos of all time. It 701 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.599 is incredible, Like, the choreography is super on point, the 702 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.599 cinematography is fantastic, the lighting is. 703 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.960 Incredible, and Smooth Criminals a fantastic song. Yes, a wonderful song. 704 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.119 And weirdly enough, unlike so I wanted to make a 705 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.239 slight comparison. He did a similar sort of gangster video 706 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:49.400 in the late nineties with Chris Tucker. 707 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.480 Yes, I've seen that one. Yes. I can't remember the 708 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.079 name of the song though, for the life of me, No, 709 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:58.599 because for years I misremembered Dangerous something like that. Because 710 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.960 for years and years I misrem but that that was 711 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.079 the Smooth Criminal video, right, because I was like, well, 712 00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:05.440 he surely wanted have done two very similar videos, but 713 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.440 he did. It's not like people say, it's this a 714 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.000 legendary video. It's not that good. I've seen it, yeah, 715 00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:13.199 and you're like, oh no, I didn't see it. Yeah. 716 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.159 So I think what that was was his career was 717 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.440 slightly on a downswing, so he was trying to redoce 718 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.679 Smooth Criminal. The problem is Smooth Criminal a By that 719 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.440 point he kind of had the child voice going on 720 00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:30.239 all the times. Oh no, I'm against You're like, no, no, 721 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.119 I'm not believing that, Bichael. But number so, actually, to 722 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.159 be fair, he doesn't really talk in Smooth Criminal. He sings, 723 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.719 which is what he's known for, and it's kind of badass. 724 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.519 The other thing as well, is he's still actually a badass. 725 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.960 In this there's bits that are a little harder edge, 726 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.199 not hard edge overall, but a harder edge that were 727 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.760 not in Dangerous ironically, where because in Dangerous he still 728 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.760 had to be overall a good guy, Whereas in this 729 00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.119 one there's a bit where I mean he he breaks 730 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.039 the cube all the white ball on someone's pool table 731 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.880 just to piss him off. Then afterwards he gets mugged 732 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.840 by a prostitute in the hallway. She takes his wallet 733 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.840 out of his pocket as he's trying to romance her. 734 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.079 Then he walks around the side of the balcony, a 735 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:15.480 guy comes out with a big knife and he just 736 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.960 shoots him through a fucking war and you're like, and 737 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.639 he kicks another guy over the railing and you're like, yes, 738 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.400 there's a little bit of a harder edge from this, 739 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:24.559 which is really cool. 740 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.000 And this is he does the famous anti gravity lean 741 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.440 in this does and as do a lot of the 742 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:34.000 other gangsters behind him, and the choreography is just incredible. 743 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.159 It's wonderful. If there's anything this is me skipping ahead 744 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.440 a little bit. Yeah, of course, my recommendation for people 745 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.880 with this is watch the music videos. Throw everything out away. 746 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.639 He's a half hour. Watch the music videos. Let's be 747 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:49.199 done with it. 748 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.639 So at the end of the Smooth Criminal music video, 749 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:56.920 all of the Cyberpunky guards walk out around the outside 750 00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:02.280 edge of the set and basically they're silhouetted in the windows, 751 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.039 and then they shoot through and MJ has to fire 752 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.920 back with the Tommy gun and then leaves the studio, 753 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:14.679 sees that Joe Peshi has kidnapped the children and decides 754 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.760 to go after them and basically just runs into what 755 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.480 looks like a quarry in the middle of fucking New York. 756 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:24.920 For the final showdown. Yeah, there's not a surprisingly enough, 757 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.440 not a huge amount of sense between the two scenes. 758 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:29.920 But I know that's a surprise. 759 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.800 But yeah, at one hour and five we arrive at 760 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.159 the finale of a one hour and thirty minute long film. 761 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:42.000 And and Michael Jackson transforms into a robot. He doesn't 762 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.960 transform into just any robot, so he's it's like a 763 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.400 fucking transformer. Yeah, but his face opens up first and 764 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.880 he screams and it makes all the cyber punk soldiers' 765 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.400 faces explode. Yes, I take out Joe Peshi, though I 766 00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:57.719 really think would be the one to go for. I 767 00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.880 read a fair few people sorry if she do a 768 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.880 little bit of research traumat on this on this show, 769 00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.559 And there was a fair few people online saying they 770 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.760 had nightmares about the bit where because when he first 771 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.719 turns metal, his eyes like turn yellow, and it is 772 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.440 because it's an old effect. The effect of his skin 773 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.480 turning metal is quite odd and very uncanny. And then, 774 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.079 like you said, his whole face just starts opening up, 775 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.920 it splits apart, and then he screams and it's fucking 776 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.320 evil looking, and you're like, Michael, you're trying to make 777 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.480 a horror film. For like three seconds, this was unnecessary. 778 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.840 But it's okay because in a minute he becomes a spaceship. 779 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.280 He does turn into a spaceship. He turns into a transformer, 780 00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.480 shoots everyone dead apart from Joe Pesci because why would 781 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.719 you take out the main bad guy? And even though 782 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.440 he's right in front of him, And I will say 783 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.079 this though. I don't know why, but Joe Pesci smacks 784 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.119 seven shades of shit. 785 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.599 Out of the little girl like does not seem to 786 00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.159 hold back so many films was it sobody films where 787 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.320 Joe Pesci tries to beat children? I will say the 788 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:05.000 animation work on the Robomichael for the Era is quite 789 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.880 well done, but it's it's it's mental to it's too 790 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.599 hard to remain It's so mental that it's hard to 791 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.639 remain invested because you're now at a point where you're like, 792 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.960 you jump the gun at the car, and then you went, hey, 793 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.159 I can go one better. Then after that you went, 794 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.719 but I can do more with the car? Right? He 795 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.000 still is bullshit? But and to be fair, I might 796 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.000 have missed something, So tell me if I did with 797 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.280 the car. They at least try and give an explanation. 798 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.719 It's a bullshit explanation to shoot. They at least try 799 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.480 and give one, which is he sees the shooting star 800 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.519 and he clearly makes a wish, right, yes, why can 801 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.639 he turn into a robot? Does he see another shooting star? 802 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:44.679 I didn't notice one. 803 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.599 No, he saw Joe Pessey slap the girl and got 804 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.360 angry enough to turn into a robot. 805 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.679 So he's the Hulk, so we should do Incredible Hulk 806 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.400 versus Robo Jacker Hulk Prime. I am Hulk Tomus Prime. 807 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.519 But yeah, he then turns into a spaceship Joe Peshy 808 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.840 has a huge planetary death laser. 809 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.480 And then MJ just destroys him. And this is the 810 00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.840 other bit. MJ flies off and the kids are all 811 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.800 crying and where's he going? And the girl because he's leaving. 812 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.159 Don't know how they know that, but you know, okay, 813 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.039 Michael Jackson's pissing off. This is regardless of the fact 814 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.800 that clearly doesn't land because it's bollocks. 815 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.000 It's like, okay, you're having the emotional moment he's leaving 816 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.599 us by Michael, like a fucking ego of it. But 817 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.000 it doesn't work because a minute later they're sitting there going, 818 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.480 I wish she come back. Oh, he's never coming back. 819 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.280 Hey here's Michael. Hey I'm back. You're like, well that 820 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:43.519 what was the point of flying away? Then like what 821 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.519 the fuck? And then we go back to concert footage 822 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.559 for the end, and this is a really interesting choice. 823 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.239 The way they get there is he takes them back 824 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.800 to Club thirty and it seems that Club thirty just 825 00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.719 changes to whatever MJ is feeling at the time, and 826 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.400 he goes, don't worry, I'll show you something special and 827 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:06.880 takes them into an abandoned Club thirty. But it's all 828 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.440 in there. Now. They're in the backstage of the music thing, 829 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.280 and this bit is fucking weird because I noticed this 830 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.000 is weird. It's walking around the back the back of 831 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:18.039 the you can see all of the truncated cabling for 832 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.599 the stat sound stage, which is all cool, great idea, 833 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.559 but they're walking through in the pitch black. There's no 834 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.639 one else there, and the kids are like, oh, I'm scared. 835 00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.719 He's that there's nothing scary back here. What if there's spiders? 836 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.840 There's no spiders. And then we get an overhead shot 837 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:36.599 with some rats on the cabling above above them, and 838 00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.480 they go, what if there's rats? He goes, he there 839 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:39.320 are no rats. 840 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.559 You're like, but I can see the rats. Michael like, 841 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.239 why are you exposing yourself as a liar? Like why 842 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.480 we're going to horror territory right now? Like what the 843 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:48.400 fuck is going on? 844 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.880 And then suddenly they reach the front and some big 845 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.400 black dude with a top hat comes along, which looks 846 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.840 fucking awesome, but just comes out of nowhere? Does that 847 00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.079 a Michael go to Jersey and got your stuff for you? 848 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.199 Brings him on the stage and then he does the 849 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:06.480 final song. Yeah, yeah, And don't get wrong, this sequence 850 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.840 is great. He's fantastic. He's got a great energy as 851 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.280 a performer. I really love song. Yeah, it's that really 852 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:16.519 eighties grungy glam rockets. I think. But od is dressed 853 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:18.480 is awesome as well. Actually I think they're just better 854 00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:21.599 than he is. Yeah. The because you've got You've got 855 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.960 a black guitarist, but it's got like his hair is 856 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.199 all spiked out. He's got like a black leather jacket, 857 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:28.559 the studs on it. You've got another woman who's i 858 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.400 think the bassist, and she's got like the incredibly wild 859 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.519 sort of glam rock hair style. They all look incredible 860 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.840 and the lighting and everything's amazing. Yeah, sorry, what was 861 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.199 your point? He just looks. It's an odd choice to 862 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:45.519 end an ego driven project that's basically been a celebration 863 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.239 of you and how good you are, Michael with a 864 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:51.880 cover of another band's song It's come Together not here. 865 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.440 It's the Beatles, but they don't count. He owned the 866 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.719 Beatles at this point, so this is his ego again. Yeah, 867 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.079 he's just being look, I could do your song in 868 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.400 my movie. You can't stop ye because I think in 869 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.039 eighty two he bought all the Beatles back catalog, right, 870 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.320 but heate it's a Beatles song originally come together. In 871 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.960 the credits, it credits Paul McCartney and John Lennon as 872 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.119 the writers. That's me not knowing the Beatles. Sorry, no, 873 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.760 trust me. That's one of the only Beatles songs I 874 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:18.960 do know because I'm actually not a Beatles fan. I like, 875 00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:21.760 I like the cover. It's a great performance, but yeah, 876 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.679 it is a bit with eat and the hey look 877 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.559 how great Michael is with Hey, I can do the Beatles, 878 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.760 Like why don't you do beat It or Thriller or 879 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.440 you know, yeah, Billy Jean or something. So there is 880 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.119 a guy with a key tar and I was like, 881 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:38.880 that's a bit miss Yeah, I'm in this day as 882 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.559 didn't really make it far out the eighties. 883 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:42.119 The last thing I want to mention on the film then, 884 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.280 before we move on to Spice World, is that the 885 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.800 outro music is really cool as well, because it's not 886 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.480 an MJ song. It's not mj at all. It's a 887 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:54.119 South African group called Lady Lady Smith Black Mumbazo doing 888 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.559 a song called the Moon Is Walking and it's fully 889 00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:59.280 a cappella, so there's like six of them and they 890 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.280 all sing like the harmonized different parts of the song. 891 00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.119 It was an adaptation of their song Linda Lanni, which 892 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.320 was a song that was anti apartheid at a time 893 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.239 where that was very culturally relevant for South Africa. Linda 894 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.480 Lani actually comes from the Zulu language meaning either wait 895 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:18.599 or come and see, and they do sing the words 896 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.280 come and see during Linda Lanni. There is a difference 897 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.119 between the two songs. I did look up Linda Lanni 898 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.679 as well afterwards to see if they're very similar. There's 899 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.840 slight differences, but not I'm not musical enough to really 900 00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.199 be able to explain them, but there are some differences 901 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.800 subtly between the two. But yeah, I thought that was 902 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.800 a really nice way to finish the film was because, 903 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.400 let's be honest, up to this point, it's all been ego. 904 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.960 To then end with a band singing a song that 905 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:53.199 actually is an important song politically for its time showed 906 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:56.480 a surprising lack of intro. 907 00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.320 Sorry a surprising lack of ego for its outro segment, 908 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.119 and then afterwards we get another montage of how great 909 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:10.920 Michael Jackson is so during the credits. So it's short lived, 910 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:15.320 but it is there. Yeah. So overall, like I said, 911 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:17.719 for me personally, take the music videos junk the rest 912 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.679 of it. For me, I agree that Smooth Criminal as 913 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.320 in the whole segments we can is beautifully shot. But 914 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.840 in the same what I've always been of that attitude 915 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.679 where like it's like video games, a video game with 916 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:38.079 incredible graphics can't make up for a boring video game. 917 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:40.960 Rise the Robots proved that in ninety four in my opinion, 918 00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.280 but for some people it can. If you're one of 919 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:45.519 those people, you might like this. 920 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:50.920 I will say this is a proper movie in terms 921 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.760 of how it's shot technically. 922 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.360 Right, Yes, yes, it's not in the sense that it 923 00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.199 isn't actually a script that goes from beginning to end. 924 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.719 So the recommendation you would do on it would be 925 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.039 based on what an audience memory is looking for. If 926 00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.719 you're looking for something that's really out there, really different 927 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.599 and looks incredible, sounds incredible, will impress you with shit 928 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.519 like the choreography and the cinematography and things like that. 929 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:17.760 This film is a must. 930 00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.599 But if you're after something that will give you a 931 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.440 really solid story, this is like the polar opposite end 932 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:26.760 of the scale from what you're actually after. 933 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:31.119 So it's something you watch when you're in a mood. 934 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.719 I think, like, if you're in the mood for just like, 935 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:35.119 you know what, I don't really care about story. 936 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.199 I just want something that's fucking fun and in your face. 937 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:38.920 I just want to be a map. I want to 938 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.480 be bathed in the vibes. Yeah, yeah, of Michael Jackson. 939 00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.480 This film is a vibe film, right, and you have 940 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.079 to kind of just accept that the ego is going 941 00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:52.440 to come along with that vibe. But ageah, if it's 942 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.400 any deep emotional themes, yeah, you're not going to Moonwalker. 943 00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:00.599 No. So what's fully about Moonwalker is not well angry 944 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.119 man No No. So what's funny about Moonwalker in contrast 945 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.400 to our next film is obviously they're both film starring musicians. Yes, 946 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.440 roughly exactly ten years apart. This is eighty eight ninety 947 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.400 end of ninety seven is Spice World. The difference is 948 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.320 that's a self fundered movie that was for better and 949 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.400 for worse Michael Jackson. Yeah, it's fully Michael Spice World. Obviously, 950 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:26.119 the Spice Girls were a more managed band. They, as 951 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.400 far as I'm a weir, did not write their own songs. 952 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.679 They were very heavily managed, very scheduled every part of 953 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:38.280 their tour schedule, their their appearances, their publicities all managed. 954 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.519 So this is more of a product that is crafted 955 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:46.960 for them into Yeah, Michael Jackson's Moonwalker is a movie 956 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.920 made by an autur for better and worse all for 957 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:56.360 that word, for his own ego. This is content made 958 00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.840 by a mass produced company. See I kind of agree, 959 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.599 kind of disagree on because yes, this is made by 960 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.800 a mass produced company, but this is a movie Moonwalker ism. No, 961 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:09.400 this is Moonwalker is a collection of music video. This 962 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.559 is a store. This is not a good one, but 963 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.199 it is a story that goes from a beginning to 964 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:16.039 an end. No, it doesn't. 965 00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:22.320 There is exactly the same thing as Moonwalker. Yeah, but 966 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.800 worse and honestly. 967 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.320 Like the in fact, this lacks because it doesn't because 968 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:32.639 it is is studio produced, and because it is about 969 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.400 five stars not one. You don't have like the thing 970 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:40.039 that makes Moonwalker kind of interesting for a filmmaker is 971 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:43.440 just how much it is about this one man's self 972 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:47.519 inflicted ego. You don't even have that in Spice World. 973 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:48.760 It's just vapid. 974 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.880 Within five minutes, you meet Elton John for two seconds, 975 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.639 and then from that point on there's like another sixty 976 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.079 eight cameos and you're like, but none of them mean anything. 977 00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.320 Well, get yourself ready to one night only revive. Jamie, 978 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.559 your film taste sucks because I massively prefer this to Moonwalker. Yeah, 979 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.960 I mean, but to be fair, I was a Spice 980 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.559 Girls fan. I am not, nor have I ever been 981 00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:15.440 a Michael Jackson. Okay, so I like some of his songs, No, no, 982 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.039 So my issues with it because I like the Spice Girls. 983 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.119 I don't dislike the Spice Girls. And all the songs 984 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.159 they play in this are bangers, right, so apart from 985 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.639 when they did want to be because for some reason, 986 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.480 they sing it like garbage in this film, even though 987 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.639 I really like that song. As soon as they start 988 00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:35.320 doing it, they're singing it out of kin. I'm like, 989 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.320 what the fuck's going on with this song? And it 990 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.360 also happens to be the only one, And this is 991 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:43.960 the big problem with it. They're both music video films basically, 992 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.519 but Spice World, every single music video is just girls 993 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.960 standing in a line behind microphones. Boring as fuck. 994 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.559 No cinematography, no choreography, nothing, It's just five people fucking 995 00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:01.000 about behind a microphone for three and a half minutes. 996 00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:06.639 At least with MJ's Moonwalker, the music video segments are incredible. Yeah, 997 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.480 the connecting thread is bollocks, but what you get in 998 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:14.800 between the shit connecting thread is gold and Spice World 999 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:18.320 doesn't have anything that matches that. At any point. We'll 1000 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.159 twitch the bit with the fucking agiens well to introduce it. 1001 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.039 Spice World is a nineteen ninety seven British musical comedy 1002 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.920 film directed by Bob Spears. It is made in a 1003 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.280 similar vein to the Beatles nineteen sixty four film A 1004 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.000 Hard Day's Night. It was made for a budget of 1005 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.880 twenty five million dollars, so we're around the same as Moonwalker, 1006 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.880 and it grossed fifty six million dollars at the box office. 1007 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:46.920 It stars obviously the Spice Girls, Victoria Beckham, Emma Bunton, 1008 00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:51.239 Melc Melb and Jerry halliwell as well as Richard E. Grahm, 1009 00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:53.000 Garry Hallewell. At the time or was she changed her 1010 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:54.760 name now I can't remember because no, that is her 1011 00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:58.000 name is Jerry Halliwell. That's her maiden name. She's now 1012 00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:03.320 Halliwell Horner. That's it. Richard E. Grant, Alan Cumming, George 1013 00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:09.599 went Clear, Rushbrook, Mark McKinney, and Roger More. Spice World 1014 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.039 was a number one box office success in the United Kingdom, 1015 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.159 grossing two point three million pounds on its opening week end, 1016 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.480 breaking the record that had been set earlier that same 1017 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:24.239 year by Bean. The film received generally negative reviews from critics, 1018 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.360 with an average rating on ronin Tomorrow's of thirty five percent, 1019 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.320 with a critic consensus that reads, Spice World's lack of 1020 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.719 cohesive plot will likely lose most viewers, but for fans 1021 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:36.079 of the titular girl group, there's more than enough fun 1022 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.079 to be had in their wacky, albeit superficial whirlwind of 1023 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.920 an adventure. Noted American film critic Roger Ebert gave one 1024 00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.000 half of a star and listed Spice World as one 1025 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.920 of his most hated films, saying, the Spice Girls are 1026 00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:52.039 easier to tell apart than the mutant Ninja turtles, but 1027 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:57.800 that is small consolation. What I think that's really harsh. Actually, 1028 00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.719 what I done this film? That is hard? What can 1029 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.679 you say about five women whose principal distinguishing characteristic is 1030 00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.679 that they have different names? They occupy a spice world. 1031 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.840 They occupy Spice World as if they were watching it. 1032 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.400 They're so detached they can't even successfully lip sync their 1033 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.800 own songs. And when he reviewed the film on his 1034 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.559 and Gene Siskel's film critiquing program Ciskel and E but 1035 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.079 only three weeks into nineteen ninety eight, he declared he 1036 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.679 had already seen the worst film of the year and 1037 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.000 called it an entertainment free dead zone. He included the 1038 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.400 film on his The Worst of nineteen ninety eight special, 1039 00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.800 but ultimately chose Armageddon as the worst film of nineteen 1040 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:41.639 ninety eight. Is better than this, especially Space Space. He's 1041 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.039 got space dementsion, which is still better than the fucking 1042 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.920 aliens that appear in this film. Yeah. Janet Maslin of 1043 00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.039 The New York Times stated that the film is pleasant 1044 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.159 and painless enough to amuse ardent fans, who figure in 1045 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.119 the film quite often, but also noted that while it 1046 00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:58.280 got a PG rating in the United States, nothing about 1047 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:01.159 it should disturb its target audience of media. Wise, fun 1048 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.280 loving eight year old girls. Writing for Site and Sound. 1049 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.119 In a positive review, Mark Sinker placed it alongside The 1050 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.079 Monkey's nineteen sixty eight cult film head. He went on 1051 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.519 to say that it sends up the amicable idiocy of 1052 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.199 pop packaging and the slow witted mass media response to it, 1053 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.280 and it was tirelessly generous in its energy. Derek Ellie, 1054 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.960 resident film critic for Variety, gave a mixed review, calling 1055 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.920 the film bright and breezy and as timely but evernescent 1056 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.119 as the cool Britannia culture it celebrates. He stated that 1057 00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:32.360 the film would delight the fab Fire's pree prebeuescent fans, 1058 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.960 but it would be totally forgotten within six months. Oh look, 1059 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.519 it's never even had a blue roly. Several critics have 1060 00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:42.159 reevaluated the film more positively in the years after its 1061 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:47.239 initial release. Rewatching Spice World in twenty nineteen, Alice Vincent 1062 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.320 of The Daily Telegraph was pleasantly surprised that the jokes 1063 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:52.800 had not aged badly and found the set were good. 1064 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.760 So yeah, they never aged bad to begin with, and 1065 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.000 found the sets and costuming had a now retro charm. 1066 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.320 I'll give that. Vincent stated, it's an irreverent, lighthearted romp 1067 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:07.440 that captured the brash, patriotic positivity of a London swept 1068 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.320 up in cool Britannia, people keep saying that I am 1069 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.719 British and I've never heard of cool Britannia. What is this? 1070 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:20.599 What is I'll be honest, like I've heard the britannially. Yeah, 1071 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.880 but cool Britanni particularly, is that what they call? Because 1072 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.599 there was I was going to talk a bit about 1073 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:31.719 how Britain punches above its weight in terms of music 1074 00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:33.440 a lot of the time. So you actually had the 1075 00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:38.039 British invase. So you actually had the British because we 1076 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.719 have Ireland connected to us. They bring most of the talent, 1077 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:49.239 do they? Yes? And Wales? Since when since almost every 1078 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:53.400 single Eurovision winner we've ever had your revision? Fuck your revision. 1079 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.559 I'm talking about us being popular in America? What's wrong 1080 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:02.559 with So? You know, you had the British Invasion as 1081 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.599 they called it in the seventies, which was all the 1082 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.039 metal and rock of the seventies. They got really big 1083 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.599 in America. I was thinking only of pop. Fine, yeah, 1084 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.280 when it comes to rock, we do tend to rock. 1085 00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.599 And then in the nineties you had a wave of 1086 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.119 British music get popular in America with things like the 1087 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:22.760 Spice Girls and Oasis actually hate but yeah that was 1088 00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:24.760 un Blur? Is that what that is? Is that? What 1089 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.760 is that what they call cool Britannia? I don't know. 1090 00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.639 Because Oasis and Blur they had to fight because they 1091 00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.760 were britpop, so that was its own specific category of rock. 1092 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:38.119 But Spice Girls would not have classified as Britain no anyway. 1093 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.519 Writing for The New York Times in twenty nineteen, Eleanor 1094 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:42.760 Stanford found the film to be much smarter and more 1095 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.320 self aware than I once gave it credit for, particularly 1096 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.800 enjoying how the Spice Girls poked fun at themselves. Stanford concluded, 1097 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:51.719 the Spice Girls were absolutely working the very sexist system 1098 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.679 and making a lot of money off of it, but 1099 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:55.840 they were doing it slyly, with a wink and a grin. 1100 00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.280 They were I think misunderstood at the time, and I 1101 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.239 wonder if an irreverent, breezy group like Theirs could even 1102 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.719 exist today. It was listed for a Golden Raspberry Award 1103 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:10.639 for several It won Worst Actress for all five Spice Girls, 1104 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.199 so collectively they won it. It was nominated for Worst 1105 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:18.599 New Star. It was nominated for Worst Original Song for 1106 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.840 the song too Much. Roger Moore was nominated for Worst 1107 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:22.960 Supporting Actor. 1108 00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:27.239 He definitely deserves it. I love Roger Moore, but his 1109 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:28.880 performance and this is fucking track. 1110 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:34.079 It was also nominated for Worst Picture and Worst Screenplay, 1111 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.400 and then in two thousand and four it got renominated 1112 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:42.599 for Worst Musical of the first twenty five years of 1113 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.559 of the Raspberry the Razzies existing. Now, I just want 1114 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:48.119 to talk quickly about the director because one thing I 1115 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:52.159 will openly say, the two films have similar budgets. Yep, 1116 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.320 Spice Girls probably have slightly less when you factor in 1117 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:57.559 the ten years of inflation and the fact that there's 1118 00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.920 five leads rather than one. So this is my thing. 1119 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.960 I think you can tell that one of the smart 1120 01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.519 choices Michael Jackson made is as you said, there's basically 1121 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:08.719 no celebrities in it. And I wonder if he even 1122 01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.159 paid himself because it maybe twenty five mil that without 1123 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.920 his cost included, so a lot of it went on 1124 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:18.519 the cinematography and it shows whereas Spy Skirls you're obviously 1125 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.000 paying five Spy Skirls, you're probably paying all those cameos 1126 01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.400 and the director so I've just looked up the director 1127 01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:27.400 Robert Spears. He's sadly not with us anymore. He died 1128 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:31.119 in two thousand and eight, and he's actually he's mostly 1129 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.760 a TV director, doesn't surprise me. He did three films, 1130 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.119 two of which were in nineteen ninety seven, which was 1131 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:42.079 That Darn Cat, which is a mystery comedy film starring 1132 01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:45.880 Christina Reachi Spice World. And then in two thousand and 1133 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.800 one he did a film called Kevin of the North, 1134 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.960 which is an American comedy film starring Skeet all Rich, 1135 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:55.280 Natasha Henstridge, Leslie Nielsen, and Rick Mayle. And he's about 1136 01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:00.360 the Alaskan idatorod Trail sled dog race. It no, but 1137 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.079 I kind of want to see that now. In terms 1138 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:06.239 of TV, though, I think you'll agree he's much more legendary. 1139 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:13.559 So on TV he directed Dad's Army Right, Faulty Towers, Wow, 1140 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:23.199 Are You Being Served? French and Saunders absolutely fabulous, bottom 1141 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.360 a bit of Fry and Laurie. Fry and Laurie and 1142 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.559 both in this film and the Ruby Wax Show that 1143 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:37.000 explains in this and she's from Fryan Laurie. So I 1144 01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:38.519 think he got a lot of friends to come and 1145 01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:39.239 just do camage. 1146 01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.679 It makes me wonder if the cameos, most of which 1147 01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:44.239 probably weren't paid, Roger Moore would have been paid. 1148 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.519 But I do wonder about Elton John as well. 1149 01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:49.440 Actually because he's literal, because he's only in it for 1150 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:51.039 two seconds, make me think that. 1151 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:55.360 They bumped into them. He didn't know it was on film. 1152 01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.719 He's just being himself. But so that's quite their big 1153 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:02.079 name was in British comedy. All those shows I've just 1154 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.239 listened some of the biggest names of comedy, actually Dad's 1155 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.360 Army being the biggest surprise because I consider that quite 1156 01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.760 an old show, so he must have been quite old. 1157 01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.039 He died in two thousand and eight. No no, no, 1158 01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.360 Byny was like eighty right, there you go. Cool. So 1159 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:18.000 I put Spice World on the list. I chose it 1160 01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:22.760 to be the season finale deliberately because it's a ridiculous movie, 1161 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:26.920 unlike Moonwalker. Well when you said moon Walker, I was like, well, 1162 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:33.920 let's put them together. Why not? So as a child, 1163 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.760 I was obsessed with the Spy Girls. Fucking me and 1164 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.800 my brother and sister all were. We loved the Spy Girls. 1165 01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:44.000 We had a VHS of them performing live. I want 1166 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:47.239 to say Wembley Arena. We used to buy all the 1167 01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:49.639 chocolate but I don't if you remember, but deary milks 1168 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.400 in the nineties have the spice Girls on them, right, Okay, 1169 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.960 we used to buy those. My sister had all of 1170 01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.239 the Spice Girl dolls. The first game we had on 1171 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:03.119 our Sony PlayStation was the Spice World video game, which 1172 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:06.880 is I mean, it's not a game. It's not a 1173 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.880 game way, this is not a film. It is a 1174 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:15.079 waste of computer programming. So when this film came out, me, 1175 01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.679 Jody and John were obsessed with it. We were like, 1176 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:19.760 we need to see this. I remember we had it 1177 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:25.440 on VHS and we must have watched it a jillion times. 1178 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.719 And that is why I am an uncultured swine who 1179 01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.480 when I later saw some of the respectable work that 1180 01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:34.159 Richard E. Grant went on to do, I was like, 1181 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.480 that's the guy from Spice World, which I'm sure Richard 1182 01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.159 Grant would be Richard Y. Grant would be thrilled to 1183 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.239 know that. I didn't go, well, that's the dude from 1184 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:44.559 with Nail and I I went, oh, it's the dude 1185 01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:50.519 from its most important role. As a kid. Loved the 1186 01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.800 film haven't seen it in a very long time, as 1187 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.400 you can imagine, because I kind of grew out of 1188 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:58.519 the Spice because I still listened to the music occasional. 1189 01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.400 They stopped being a band as well for a long time. 1190 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.360 So yeah, well, yeah they broke well Jerry halliwell left 1191 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:07.440 and then they broke up not long after that, and 1192 01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:09.480 I ended up liking Girls Allowed. I ended up moving 1193 01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:10.800 on to Girls Allowed for a because I guess I 1194 01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.239 like pop music. But anyway, one thing about watching this 1195 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.159 back now that we can talk about later is realizing 1196 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.559 how little of the film I understood as a kid. 1197 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:23.239 There's a lot of jokes in this I are not 1198 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:27.480 even talking dirty jokes, but just pop culture jokes that 1199 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.559 as a seven or eight year old kid, I didn't 1200 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:34.800 have the pop culture knowledge to get well, all the 1201 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:37.760 Roger more stuff. Yeah, like so there are so many 1202 01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.360 Bond references with Roger Moore's appearances. I didn't even know 1203 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.400 who Roger mare was. No again, I didn't know what 1204 01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:48.880 James Bond was at seven years old. Right, meat Loaf, 1205 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.599 Yeah again. The first time I ever saw Meatloaf in 1206 01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:54.440 a music video went that's the bus driver from Spice Girls. 1207 01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:57.119 You know what It's meaning is that I didn't recognize 1208 01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.519 him in this because he's doing a normal, more voice 1209 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:02.519 and I didn't like it. I want I want a 1210 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:04.400 performing voice. 1211 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.760 When he does, he does a joke about the toilets, yes, 1212 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:11.239 and he's I wanted him to sing the line, so 1213 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:12.599 that's that's better. 1214 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:14.719 That's a joke. I mean that I didn't get where 1215 01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:17.639 he says I love these girls. I would do anything 1216 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:20.360 for him, but I won't do that. Yeah, we'll just 1217 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:23.519 clean toilets. But he should have sung it instead. He 1218 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:28.400 just says it and that I love these girls, but 1219 01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:31.440 I won't do that. You know, that would have been 1220 01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:35.079 the way to perform the line. So I fully met, Like, 1221 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:36.599 I'm not going to sit here and claim this is 1222 01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:40.400 a good movie. It is an nostalgic is a nostalgic 1223 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:44.079 movie for me? Good? So fine. Right at the beginning, 1224 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:46.800 we open on Top of the Pops, and straight away 1225 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.199 I was like, fucking ill. Remember when Top of the 1226 01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:51.559 Pops was a thing. It was such a big thing though, 1227 01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:55.239 because it really did influence how or what would reach 1228 01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:58.320 number one on the charts. It was important to get 1229 01:05:58.360 --> 01:05:59.199 on Top of the Pops. 1230 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.719 And it's just so weird that it's not even a 1231 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:04.599 thing now, Like the Top of the Pops too, doesn't 1232 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:08.199 even play anywhere anymore. Yeah, no, it exists. It's just 1233 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:12.079 disappeared out of the zeitgeist. It's not really a shame, 1234 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:14.760 because I kind of understand it was a product of 1235 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:17.440 a time that no longer exists, but it is kind 1236 01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.440 of it just feels weird to me, having grown up 1237 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:21.679 with it, that it's just gone. 1238 01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:24.719 Well, we've talked before, haven't we, about how cultural zeitgeist 1239 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.679 is a thing that is thinning out because you because 1240 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:30.760 you used to have only, say, three radio stations and 1241 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:34.760 three TV channels. Let's say the bands that got featured 1242 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.840 on Top of the Pops, everyone in the country would 1243 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.840 have listened to them because it's your only source. But 1244 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.599 now that you've got the Internet, and you've got not 1245 01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:47.199 only the entire back catalog of every other song that's 1246 01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.119 ever been made before this point, but every day there's 1247 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.199 probably a thousand new songs that come out. When you 1248 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.159 factor in all of the indie artists and everything, people 1249 01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.480 are able to curate their own experts. I do it. 1250 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:04.199 I can't name most modern singers because I don't have 1251 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:06.679 an interest in that music and you don't know. I 1252 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.880 don't go looking for it same anyway. That's kind of 1253 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:12.760 a off topic now, No, but it's it's it's interesting. 1254 01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:17.519 I had misremembered this film because my miss I had 1255 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.800 remembered and I tell you now it's the facial hair. 1256 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:23.280 I had remembered that rich that much facial ha ha. 1257 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.000 I had remembered that Richard E. Grant was the villain 1258 01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:30.199 of this movie because he had a go and he 1259 01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:34.239 actually isn't. He's just getting pissy. I just remembered a 1260 01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:36.480 bit where he's getting pissy and he's got the goaty 1261 01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:38.519 and the sideburns, and there's a bit where they kind 1262 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:40.440 of light him from under a little bit and he's 1263 01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:44.880 like glaring at someone. I just remembered that image. That's 1264 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.000 the villain in the film. Yeah, don't know. Richard E. 1265 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:48.920 Grant plays a lot of villain, but there isn't actually 1266 01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:51.119 a villain in the film. The closest you get is 1267 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:56.199 the newspaper guy who's deliberately trying to spread rumors that. 1268 01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:00.880 They broke I guess, yeah, No, to be fair, their 1269 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.960 Asian friend who's pregnant. She's really the villain because she 1270 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:07.079 almost makes them late for their final performance, right, so 1271 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:08.199 she's clearly a villain. 1272 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:12.000 Of course I'll belly joking. 1273 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:16.000 So okay, first of all, I want to say something 1274 01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:17.680 that's in contrast with Moonwalker. 1275 01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:20.479 Moonwalker looks amazing. This does not. 1276 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:23.199 And I don't just mean in terms of having maybe 1277 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:25.680 less budget, and I don't just mean in terms of 1278 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:27.680 it not fit in the same sort of style. And 1279 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:29.840 I don't even mean the fact that it's an interlaced 1280 01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:33.239 DVD copyer, not a shiny blue ray at twenty four frames. 1281 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.000 None of the technical shit in that sense. What's worse 1282 01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:46.720 about this film is camera work, angle, choice, movement, basically 1283 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.359 everything that makes the camera give a good performance. 1284 01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:49.960 Lighting. 1285 01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.199 There's a couple of shots with good lighting, but they're 1286 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:53.960 usually in places like there's a bit later on with 1287 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:56.479 Ministry of Sound, which looks really good, but that's because 1288 01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:58.479 they're in the ministry of sound, and Ministry of sound 1289 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.319 looks incredible. Have been there, it looks amazing seeing with 1290 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.319 all the lights on. So that's all just freely given 1291 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:06.239 to the freely given to them by the venue where 1292 01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:09.640 they are. There's a bit in not the first musical 1293 01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.000 performan because the first musical performance has done like a 1294 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:16.159 James Bond intro is yes, girl, but it looks terrible 1295 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:19.279 because it's all CGI. And then they do a bit 1296 01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.880 where they have to they're doing a rehearsal I think 1297 01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:24.680 by Jules Holland in this tall ceiling. 1298 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.920 Jules Holland. It's Jules Holland. Yeah, it's a cameo. I 1299 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.600 didn't write down. Excuse me, There you go. I've made 1300 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:34.319 a list of all the cameos. Unnoticed I missed that one. 1301 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:34.720 There you go. 1302 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:37.680 So yeah, Jules Holland is directing them in a music video, 1303 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:40.800 which is again just them in a line singing behind 1304 01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:41.800 my stands. 1305 01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.920 Someone fucks on a keyboard, don't they Melbil los a 1306 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.159 temper at him. Yes, But when they start doing the 1307 01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:50.880 actual rehearsal, the camera starts towards the ceiling of the 1308 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.479 room and slowly moves down to bring the girls into 1309 01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:59.479 center frame. Beautiful idea of a shot. The camera's pissed. 1310 01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:02.520 The the entire drop the camera is like, it's like 1311 01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:06.000 someone's got a handicam and has got their hands slightly 1312 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.560 tilted as they do the motion. Oh, I didn't notice that, 1313 01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:11.319 And they've not fixed it in post or anything like 1314 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.640 or redone it. It's one the shot is one key 1315 01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.600 and not in like a Dutch angle way. It's just 1316 01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:20.319 they fucked it up. And there's several shots throughout it 1317 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.439 where you're like, nothing's straight, like fucking straight in the 1318 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:27.439 fucking camera, like either they've got a dodgy tripod or 1319 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.600 that his name is Phil and he's got a dodgy leg. 1320 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.720 Everything is just won key where he's holding the camera 1321 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.039 at a weird angle. Why is it relevant that his 1322 01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:40.920 name's Phil? I just want to now, I did want to. 1323 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:42.800 I did want to point out something though that's actually 1324 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:45.840 quite serious, and I was surprised. I was surprised this 1325 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.079 film did it. In ninety seven, as the Spice Girls 1326 01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:51.039 are leaving the rehearsal and they're making their way to 1327 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:53.880 their tour bus, you get a bit where there's a 1328 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:57.680 load of paparazzi waiting for them, Yes, and riginally Grank 1329 01:10:57.680 --> 01:10:59.520 grabs one of the cameras that's low and he goes 1330 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:03.520 not the skirts, thank you? Oh interesting, I missed that bit. Now, 1331 01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.439 I want to bring this up. So I probably wouldn't 1332 01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:08.279 have noticed it either, except again, I've got that Girl's 1333 01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:11.359 Allowed documentary right, And there is a lot of time 1334 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:18.359 dedicated in that documentary to how disgusting British paparatzi were 1335 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:21.319 in the nineties and the two thousands, the way you 1336 01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:23.920 often got those sort of shots, to the point where 1337 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:27.680 in the early twenty tens the UK government finally pastor 1338 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:30.720 law making it illegally ill. 1339 01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:33.880 It was also the reason why when the smart phones 1340 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.520 came out that could do cameras that they don't have 1341 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:38.479 to make a noise when you take a photo, but 1342 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.119 by law they it now has to make a noise 1343 01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:44.079 as part of the program. Because that way a woman 1344 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:46.840 will know if you've tried to upskirt shot her. That's 1345 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.039 what that That's why if you go it doesn't really 1346 01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:52.399 need to make the noise, it does because of not 1347 01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:55.920 because because of because of perverts. It's to yeah, and 1348 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:57.479 it's it's it is. 1349 01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:00.159 Atrocious that we're in a world where we have to 1350 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.880 go no, make it make a noise because of the pervert. 1351 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:06.520 And it saddens me because the British paparazzi, specifically the 1352 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:10.720 British paparazzi had a reputation for doing this. I've seen 1353 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:14.079 interviews with American celebrities who say they used to dread 1354 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:19.159 coming over to Britain and dealing with British paparazzi because 1355 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:21.960 they were desperate to get the obscull literally. In the 1356 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:24.479 Girls Allowed documentary, they talk about times where their car 1357 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:27.520 would pull up to somewhere and the cameraman would be 1358 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:30.920 laid on the pavement so that you've got to step 1359 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.800 over him. But like there's a certain level where you 1360 01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:37.560 sit there and go right. So you're you're a photographer 1361 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.680 for a newspaper, you're going to take it. Try and 1362 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:41.880 get a shot of let's say, Spice girls for this 1363 01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:44.520 sake of this film. If you're lying on the floor 1364 01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.520 and get the shot the girls step over, don't hey, 1365 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.399 look I've got the panty shot? Who are you? Who 1366 01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:52.960 you selling that to? And be telling you like how 1367 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:55.479 are you getting away with it? Because someone will go, well, 1368 01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.560 here's the credit for the photo is Gilly bib Bob. 1369 01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:01.119 Clearly he's a perf because the only way you got 1370 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.960 that shot was by lying underneath the girls. So it 1371 01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:07.800 wasn't really newspapers so much. It was things like Heat magazine, 1372 01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:10.640 Oh the rag mags, because they'd put them up and 1373 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.920 then they'd be like, look she's got cell You like that. 1374 01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:18.119 So it's disgusting. They are vile, vile trash those magazine 1375 01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:21.560 I'll be honest, I never read one. Yes, that's really sick. Yeah, yeah, 1376 01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:25.479 it's disgusting. So I was actually pleased they don't do 1377 01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:29.039 much with it. It at least gets acknowledged in this film. 1378 01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:32.720 This is something that the paparazzi do, no fair, disgusting shit. 1379 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:35.760 So this whole next bit as a kid was the 1380 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.279 bit I fucking loved. I'm gonna admit something really embarrassing now. 1381 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.079 So their tour bus is a huge tour bus with 1382 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.319 the Union jack painted on it meat loaf STEbus driver 1383 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.279 which obviously didn't know it was meat loaf when I 1384 01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:48.520 was a kid, And a lot of scenes in this 1385 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.560 film take place in the bus on a set where 1386 01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:55.760 they've got this huge dressing room. Yeah, but as a kid, 1387 01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:58.199 I was like, that's what the Spice Girl's tour bus 1388 01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.479 looks like. That is it exactly what the Spice Girl's 1389 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:05.319 tour bus looks like? Despite the fucking it was a tardis, 1390 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:08.680 no wonder you fucking liked it. You love Doctor who 1391 01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:14.840 Spice tardis Yeah, and uh, and then watching it again 1392 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:16.760 as an adult I was literally watching this scene where 1393 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.840 like Victoria Beckham's trying on dressers and Jerry Halliwell's reading 1394 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:20.319 the magnifice. 1395 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.000 Actually was looking at the fact that baby Spice was 1396 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:25.279 literally acting like a baby, like she's swinging a little 1397 01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:26.520 sweet sucking on her farm. 1398 01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:29.119 But you're like a bit weird in it. You don't 1399 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.880 need to go this far. I was looking at I 1400 01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.319 was looking at it and just going, how the fuck 1401 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.600 did I ever think that this was the actual bus 1402 01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:40.680 the starters. It clearly isn't em It's supposed to be 1403 01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:43.880 in motion, isn't it nothing, But it clearly isn't. Nothing's moving, 1404 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:47.199 they're not rocket They're on solid ground. It's the width 1405 01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:52.119 of three double decker buses at least, it's definitely a 1406 01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:54.640 film studio. And then there is like the level of it, 1407 01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:58.319 like riginally Grant there's like a balcony. Yeah, he's looking 1408 01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.760 down at them, which is like four stor up and 1409 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:03.680 you're like, all its double decker. But as an eight 1410 01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.319 year and I was like, yeah, that's the Spice Skills 1411 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:10.279 tour bus. Yeah, that's exactly what that looks like. It 1412 01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:12.319 makes it. It says a lot that there's never a 1413 01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:16.079 shot that takes you from the bit where meat Loaf 1414 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:19.840 is driving into the back you never see the entrance. 1415 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:23.760 We get another cameo, Jonathan Ross, who I'm sure the 1416 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.640 British the American listeners probably won't know who that is. 1417 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:28.760 But he's like a talk show host. I guess he's 1418 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.840 like our Conan O'Brien, maybe kind of Graham Norton might 1419 01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:36.640 be more of ourn Graham. To be fair, our chatch 1420 01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:38.960 hopes are very different, but yeah, he's on that grade. 1421 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.760 Did you think it was weird that Jonathan Ross's jokes 1422 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:44.399 are all about him not being able to get the 1423 01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:47.720 languages of countries right, Like they say something in Spanish 1424 01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.920 and he's like great for the German listeners, and then 1425 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.640 they say something like Mexican something, Japanese, Japanese, He's like 1426 01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:55.520 great for the Chinese listeners or something. 1427 01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:57.239 It wasn't even Chinese. It was like really off, like 1428 01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:00.319 Brazilian or something. He made sure, to be fair, it's 1429 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.720 not that bad. He does at least go all over 1430 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:05.079 as far away from the rest of the world as possible, 1431 01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:06.840 so that you know it's just him being an idiot, 1432 01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:07.520 not racist. 1433 01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.720 You then get George Went from Cheers is in this movie. 1434 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.000 So he's the movie producer who keeps meeting with Richard E. 1435 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:18.840 Grant right, yes, the chubby guy. Yeah, I didn't know 1436 01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:22.079 his name at the time. That's the dude from Cheers. Yeah. 1437 01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:25.880 Again the bus being ridiculous. Clifford's office is like a 1438 01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:30.920 sci fi villain la. Yeah, so Kevin mcmaxford, isn't it. No, no, no, 1439 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.960 Richard E. Grant, Oh sorry, on the bus. He's got 1440 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:37.000 like a little office you see him in with a 1441 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.960 swivel chair, and it's got like all these monitors all 1442 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.880 around him in a circling. When I first watched the film, 1443 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:44.840 I was like, how did he get back to his office? 1444 01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:48.880 And then I realized later on, oh he's made Yeah, okay, 1445 01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:53.319 but no, and he calls Roger Moore's character so here's 1446 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:57.800 some more jokes. I didn't get some more jokes. Yeah 1447 01:16:57.079 --> 01:17:03.159 what Roger Moore? Obviously very famously, James Bond is very 1448 01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:07.319 deliberately made to look like Blofeld in this It's wearing 1449 01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:12.199 similar clothes, he's in a swivel chair, He's stroking a cat, 1450 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.560 which they then later swap out for a teacup pig, yes, 1451 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.880 which was weird. This is a bit where the teacup 1452 01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:21.239 pig just starts screaming is the only word I can use, 1453 01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:23.560 and I'm fairly certain that's not in the script. I 1454 01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:26.079 think the pig just started screaming, and Roger Moore just 1455 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:27.640 went with it. He was just like, I'll have you 1456 01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:31.399 for another five minutes. The most egregious of these jokes, though, 1457 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.520 is there's a bit where he's shaking a Martini yes, 1458 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:37.600 and Richard E. Grant says, Oh, do you think I 1459 01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:38.960 should stir up something? 1460 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.359 I was talking about the press? He's worried about we're 1461 01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:44.159 getting to a point where the president a turn on 1462 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:47.920 the girls because they've had their peak almost And he's like, oh, 1463 01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:49.439 do you want me to go and stir something. 1464 01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.520 Up in the media? And he goes, no stirring necessary 1465 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:55.159 while shaking a Martini. Because in case you didn't get it, famously, 1466 01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:59.439 James Bond drinks Martini's shaken, not stirred. You get a 1467 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:02.239 really weird skit with the Spice Girls as counsel of 1468 01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:05.199 State moms. Yeah, that came out of nowhere because it 1469 01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:08.199 doesn't happen anywhere else in the film, because essentially there's 1470 01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.279 this uh, I can't remember the actress's name, the Asian 1471 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:13.560 friend that they've got. Oh, she's toss from torch. What 1472 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:18.439 didn't she? Yeah? Is it Naoki Maury or something like that? 1473 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:20.239 Let me fact check. So I don't want to be 1474 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:23.039 she's pregnant, and they're all like, oh, that, we're happy 1475 01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:25.760 for you. And then in this sequence they'll sit there 1476 01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:28.159 and going wonder, what do you be like to be pregnant? Oh, 1477 01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.159 that might be quite nice. And then they have this 1478 01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:34.720 dream sequence of them all pregnant together, living in a 1479 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:37.800 small house doing each other's laundry. Oh, it's right, it 1480 01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:42.800 is Naoki Maury. Nice, Naoko Maury. Sorry, damn, I was 1481 01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.000 nearly right. I mean it was closer than I would 1482 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.119 have gotten. So well done. But yeah, basically it's just 1483 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:51.239 really weird because this never happens again. We never get 1484 01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:54.560 another sequence where they have like a dream sequence. No, 1485 01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:57.680 not dream sequences, but you do get the film is littered. 1486 01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:01.760 Do you get absurd moment with these weird sketchers that 1487 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:04.680 don't really fit into the narrative. It just feels like 1488 01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:09.359 someone had a sketch script lying around and went, hey, 1489 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:13.199 I literally imagine they sat in the guy whoever wrote this, 1490 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.000 I imagine literally sat in a room and went, what 1491 01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:19.800 if the Spice Girls were in a military training schore? 1492 01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:24.399 What if the Spice Girls met aliens? Obviously couldn't think 1493 01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:28.159 of enough plot, so just threw out any old shit. Yeah, 1494 01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:30.359 well it's quite a tight run time, isn't it. And 1495 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:34.039 I think that's because they didn't have a whole lot. 1496 01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:36.199 People are fans of the Spice Girls and they're watching 1497 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.239 this slop. Then they're coming because they want to see 1498 01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:39.479 the Spicy Girls and they want to see the Spy 1499 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:42.840 Girls perform. Put in the best bits, put in instead 1500 01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:44.600 of the wanna be thing that they do. Just put 1501 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:47.119 in the video from Wanna Bee. Try and strike it 1502 01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:47.880 from a better. 1503 01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:52.199 Source, maybe make it HD whatever, But like, don't don't 1504 01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:55.399 do what you did. I'm so boring. But it's only 1505 01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:57.439 now that we get introduced to the actual villain of 1506 01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:00.199 the movie, who doesn't really implement much in the film. 1507 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:04.399 Kevin mcmaxford. He does anything the whole film. No, he 1508 01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:07.399 has to be a parody of Rupert Murdoch. Right, Well, 1509 01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:10.880 I thought it was Rupert Maxwell because of Robert Maxwell. 1510 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.680 Robert Maxwell, but Robert Maxwell would have been out of 1511 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:16.640 the count by for about ten years by this point, 1512 01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:21.760 and Rupert Murdoch is Australian and this guy is Australian. 1513 01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:23.720 Maybe they just felt like a choice. 1514 01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:27.640 Yeah, but Rupert Murdoch's name doesn't fit anywhere in this 1515 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:29.039 as much as Maxwell does. 1516 01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:32.680 I don't think the name necessarily is a reference because 1517 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:36.920 they're afraid to get sued. Maybe I can't remember the 1518 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:39.560 name of the guy who plays his sort of subordinate. 1519 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:41.880 He's famous as well, isn't he. I couldn't think of 1520 01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:45.079 his lockstock into smoking barrels. He's a British actor. Yeah, 1521 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:48.399 he's very good in it as well, for the bits 1522 01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:52.079 he's got. But these two are seen only together. They're 1523 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:57.079 never introduced into the main plot. It's essentially Kevin mcmaxford 1524 01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:00.119 really really wants the Spice Girls to fail and he 1525 01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:01.239 can sell more papers. 1526 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:03.279 Yeah, so you can sell more papers, and he's like, yeah, 1527 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:05.399 let's make sure it sucks up. And the only connecting 1528 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:08.800 thread really is yeah, they hire Richard O'Brien to gain 1529 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:09.560 spy on the girl. 1530 01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:12.239 So there's a joke here that I fucking hated and 1531 01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:15.720 I bet you fucking loved it on and it's they 1532 01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.840 do a deja vu joke where they just play the 1533 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:23.520 exact same two lines. Devo joke where they just play 1534 01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:27.000 the same two lines. I bet you fucking loved it, 1535 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:29.920 didn't you. I bet I fucking loved it, didn't I? Yeah, yeah, 1536 01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.199 I was like, this is a it's a really good joke. 1537 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:37.239 It's it's a great job. This is the only good 1538 01:21:37.279 --> 01:21:39.279 scene in the movie. I've found it. I found it 1539 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:44.359 funnier even though it's absurd when he gets really angry 1540 01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:47.560 and he's like villain plotty it suddenly starts raining, but 1541 01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:50.239 only in his office. Yes, that I loved as well. 1542 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:51.079 I've noted that down. 1543 01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:52.880 This is literally the only good scene in the film, 1544 01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:55.319 by the way, the only good one. It's got the 1545 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:58.600 deja vu deja vu joke, and it's also got the 1546 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:01.000 bit where it's like, let me down sort of thing 1547 01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:03.479 of the blokes in the rain inside the office it's 1548 01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:04.680 clearly not ready outside. 1549 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.800 Don't worry, I'm gonna make sure it happens. Right. I 1550 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:11.960 did more of this villain shit. The only person who 1551 01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:15.119 got an outright laugh from me was actually Richard O'Brien 1552 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:17.640 just after that bet right when he comes in and 1553 01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.119 he goes, this is you picking your nose? This is 1554 01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:22.760 you doing that? And I was like, okay, that's fine. End. 1555 01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:24.800 But then it's the way he just goes this is 1556 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:29.159 you peeing in a pool when you were twelve? And 1557 01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:31.720 I just laughed. I was like, oh, this guy's somehow 1558 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:34.640 got photos. Oh a guy when he was twelve. 1559 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:37.439 Sorry, but the Kevin mcmxwell stuff is the only stuff 1560 01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:40.960 that works, and not all of it does, but it's 1561 01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:43.800 honestly like, I was like, Okay, this scene suddenly happened, 1562 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:46.479 and suddenly my interest went up, and I was like, okay, cool, 1563 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:49.119 we're gonna get like some drama start entering into this. 1564 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:53.159 We're gonna have this fucking scenery chewing villain, phenomenal Richard O'Brien, 1565 01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:57.479 who It feels like such a downgrade for Richard O'Brien 1566 01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:01.439 because I'm not I'm fair. Certainly this is the same year, 1567 01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.119 or maybe it was just the year before that he. 1568 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.079 Did Dark City. Oh is he in Dark City? It's 1569 01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:10.640 fucking amazing, right, okay, in Dark City? Okay, fair plad. 1570 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:12.119 I didn't know it's in Dark City. I was about 1571 01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:14.760 to say, is it a damn grade though? Because it 1572 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:18.159 was rocky horror in like the early eighties. Yes, and 1573 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:21.760 then host of the Crystal may which is which is great. 1574 01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:25.840 I love the Crystal Maze. It's not a stunning movie career. 1575 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:27.840 But I did not realize he was in Dark City. No, 1576 01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.960 he's fantastic in Dark City. He was also in that. 1577 01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.479 This is not a good film. The second mal viral movie, 1578 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:38.560 Virus Haunted Hills. Yes, it fucking awful movie. Yeah, the 1579 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:40.960 first one is not bad. El Vira Mistress of the Dark. 1580 01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:44.119 No a Vira Haunted Hills is it's not worth We 1581 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:47.680 actually get another dream sequence that I'd forgotten about, similar 1582 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:50.720 to the Pregnant one, which is when they're talking to 1583 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:53.199 Baby Spice about how she can get away with anything 1584 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:55.760 by flashing her smile. And this is where we get 1585 01:23:55.840 --> 01:24:00.960 Hugh Laurie's cameout. They cooked to Hugh Laurie's clearly playing yeah, 1586 01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:05.520 at least a parody of named as poiro and IMDb anyway, Yeah, 1587 01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:08.680 and he's like, so we must ask ourselves for the 1588 01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:11.279 killer is. I can't do the accent. We must ask 1589 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:14.119 ourselves who the killer is. And he's going through all 1590 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:18.039 the typical you know, there's a vicar, a lady businessman, 1591 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:24.039 and then Emma Bunton is literally covered in bullets and 1592 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:27.039 holding a knife and he but she smiles at and 1593 01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:30.039 goes the killer is clearly Reverend Smith or whatever his 1594 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.399 name is. I didn't like that saying that was ship. 1595 01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:34.840 Two more cameos when they go to is this the 1596 01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:37.560 Mystery of Sam the nightclub that they're in, Yes, Jennifer 1597 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:41.079 Saunders has a cameo here, Yes, talking to Victoria Beckham. 1598 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:46.079 She does. And Bob Geldoff has a cameo because I 1599 01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:48.479 think he's got short hair, which is unusual for Bob Guilder. 1600 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.119 You know he's got long hair because Melby puts it 1601 01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:53.640 into the same hairstyle she has. That's what it looks different. 1602 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:56.800 That's what I'm remembering, is that. Yeah, And here's a 1603 01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:59.199 terrible lie. This is a we don't do worse lines 1604 01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:00.960 on the show, but if we did, this is a 1605 01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:03.920 candidate for worst line, because I get that you're playing 1606 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:09.399 of Victoria Beckham like Posh Spice's ditsy but fashionable. But 1607 01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.319 this is too far. Is when they ask if the 1608 01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:16.359 Japanese lady asks them if they can be godmother to 1609 01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:19.720 the kid, and Victoria Beckham goes to Godmother's get stretch marks. 1610 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:25.039 What a stupid fucking question. I mean, like, no, of 1611 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:27.960 course they fucking don't. I mean it's part of the 1612 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.000 course for this film, to be honest. That doesn't surprise me. 1613 01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:35.079 With this film, have hated the DJ joke more than that. Yeah, 1614 01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:38.479 I did hate that. I also admitted that. Sorry, another 1615 01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.560 chuckle I did get. I did get a little chuckle 1616 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.199 at They asked Jerry halliwell something, and she does a 1617 01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:49.560 proper standard response of is the Pope Catholic? And it 1618 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.000 immediately cuts to a headline that says spice girls doubt 1619 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:56.319 Pope's fate. I did like that, and then it cuts 1620 01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:59.520 to like the Bishop of Archbishop of Canterbury being like, 1621 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:04.079 of course the Pope is Catholic. This is slander. That 1622 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:09.439 was good. By this point though, my interest was waiting. Oh, actually, man, 1623 01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:11.279 I'm wrong. I've got more laughs in this than I 1624 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:11.760 thought I did. 1625 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:16.039 Go on, Well, no, my next comment is about Michael 1626 01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:17.439 Barrymore and I don't think we're there yet. 1627 01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:19.560 Oh no, no, I've got one about the Italian dancers. 1628 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.760 So they go to the Italian dancers scene, they go 1629 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:25.960 to Italy, and I'm fairly certain it is a racist 1630 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:28.239 portrayal of the Italian directory. He's got like a mono 1631 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:31.319 brow and he's like, your mother like that, and we 1632 01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:34.000 must have had sex. But these guys come on in 1633 01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:38.119 like the teeny tiny Calvin Kline jockey shorts, you know, 1634 01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:45.880 shorts of pants, and they like proper like jockey shorts underwear. Yeah, yeah, briefs. Yeah, 1635 01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.720 but they're also called jockey shorts, I think, so I've 1636 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:52.880 never heard them. Okay, anyway, brief shorts would have considered 1637 01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:57.000 briefs is the word I was actually looking for, you know, 1638 01:26:57.119 --> 01:26:59.800 oiled up muscly guys. There's a bit that maybe wear 1639 01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:01.479 one of touches one on their peck and they're like 1640 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:05.199 all the oil. Yeah, and I did like this joke 1641 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:08.479 only works because Richard E Grant's straight face delivery. They 1642 01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:11.079 end up making a compromise. It cuts to the performance 1643 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.439 and the men all come out in purple suits and 1644 01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:18.119 they're dancing, and Richard E Grant's assistant guys, oh, you 1645 01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:21.119 managed to get it sorted then, and he goes, we 1646 01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:23.359 made a compromise. And then the guys turn around and 1647 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:25.439 they've all got the butts on their suits cut out, 1648 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:28.640 and she goes, what is that straight faces anything? Richardie 1649 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:32.319 Grant goes. That's the compromise that made me laugh as well, 1650 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:34.880 but purely because of how Richard E. Grant delivers it. 1651 01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:38.199 Richidey Grant is probably the MVP of the film. Yeah, 1652 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.119 I think so. Yeah, he is the best thing in 1653 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:42.560 the film. I think he's the only one trying to 1654 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.319 be honest. I don't think anyone else in this film. 1655 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:47.680 The assistant who's with him is doing a good job. 1656 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:50.640 But he's a celebrity. I don't I don't know her name, 1657 01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:53.399 but she's in Doctor Who. Do you remember the episode? 1658 01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:56.359 It's the two parter with David Tennant and Billy Piper 1659 01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:58.640 where they go to the Satan planet with the UD. 1660 01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:03.560 She's the woman who's like the second in command. Okay, 1661 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:06.720 fair enough, I didn't recognize that. Okay, cool, Yeah, she 1662 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:08.359 does a good job as well, to be fair, We 1663 01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:11.279 randomly get a bit where the tour bus is driving 1664 01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:14.439 through the British countryside at night and the Spice girls 1665 01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:17.159 insist on pulling over because they need to pee. This 1666 01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:18.840 is where you get the It's also where you get 1667 01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:20.960 the bit where he says to Richard to meet Loaf, 1668 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:23.199 why don't you fix the toilets? Yeah, and I'll do 1669 01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:25.520 anything with these girls, but I won't be there. Also, 1670 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:28.920 Britain's a real small country, Like you never need to 1671 01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:31.479 hold it that long before you get to a service station, 1672 01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:34.760 do you know what? Yeah, But anyway, they all go 1673 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:36.600 off into the trees in a scene of what I 1674 01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.960 can only describe as a toilet no matter what that film. Yeah, 1675 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:42.720 but like considering that's the narrative is they all need 1676 01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:49.119 to pee desperately that they can't wait for another truck stop. Yeah. 1677 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:52.760 What I can only describe as a very very low 1678 01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:57.000 budget parody of Close Encounters of the third kind begins 1679 01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:01.720 with these UFO lights in the sky and these aliens 1680 01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:05.039 come down, and I swear to God Rory. As you 1681 01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:10.479 mentioned earlier, I'm a doctor who fan the effects in seventies, 1682 01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:16.880 doctor who look better than these aliens. These aliens look awful. 1683 01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:23.600 They're like little trolled old masks with big collars. And 1684 01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:26.439 then one of them pops its belly out and posh 1685 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.760 by fat shames the alien. But don't worry. One of 1686 01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:32.760 them asks for a kiss, yes, and gets it and 1687 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:37.159 gets it physically. See the mask just dent. Yeah, this 1688 01:29:37.239 --> 01:29:39.439 is a scene where you're like, what the fuck is 1689 01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:42.800 going on and again it so it doesn't come back. 1690 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.239 It doesn't any right. Right at the end you see 1691 01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:48.720 the aliens dancing to the song. But that's it. Yeah, 1692 01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:50.800 it doesn't, it doesn't doesn't need to be here. No, 1693 01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:55.600 this is literally just filling time. It's well, it's them going, 1694 01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:58.760 oh look, the Spice girls are such a phenomenon that 1695 01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:02.880 even alien on a different planet of heard them. But 1696 01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:05.840 now we get to the military scene, so they basically 1697 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:09.119 get sent to a military score and we get another 1698 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:12.199 celebrity cameo. But it's another one where I don't think 1699 01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:15.520 our American listeners will recognize him. I think he's only 1700 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:19.359 famous in Britain. I don't even know what he's famous for. 1701 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:21.880 I just know he is. So do you want to 1702 01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:22.520 take this one? 1703 01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:27.520 So Michael Barrymore is or was definitely won't be nowadays 1704 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:31.520 a famous game show host for different TV shows, but 1705 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:36.800 specifically Strike It Lucky, Slice Strike It Rich because they 1706 01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:40.479 rebooted it halfway through its run and renamed it for 1707 01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:43.279 some reason. But it's the same show. Michael Barrymore was 1708 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:46.479 very funny. He used to be quite witty with his guests. 1709 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:49.239 Sometimes he'd be a little bit sharp, but you know 1710 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.760 that's what his job was as the host, and at 1711 01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:53.960 this time I think he would have been very famous 1712 01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:56.319 in the UK, but I don't think he's ever been 1713 01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:59.960 famous outside of the UK. But anyway, Michael Barrymore is 1714 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.039 in this, I don't think he's acting. You can tell 1715 01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:03.560 he's a game show host because of the way he 1716 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:06.880 moons to camera and stuff, and he's trying. 1717 01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:09.279 He's basically playing an army drill. 1718 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:12.760 Sergeant, but as campus nickers at certain points and that 1719 01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:13.920 the blend doesn't work. 1720 01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:16.520 No, you want to hear a Mandela effect on Well, no, 1721 01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:18.439 it's not a mad Della effect. It's just me having 1722 01:31:18.439 --> 01:31:21.800 a shit memory. If you'd have asked me before we 1723 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:26.560 watched this for this, I would have sworn on my 1724 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:30.399 life that this role was played by John Cleesh. Really, 1725 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:33.840 for some reason, it has always been my memory that 1726 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:38.439 John Clees is in Spice World playing the military drill sergeant. Right, 1727 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:43.319 And it's not at all at all. It's not even clubs, 1728 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:45.319 it's not even it's not even the same type of 1729 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:48.319 performance I was picturing. No, it's not what you'd expect 1730 01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:50.920 from John Clee. No, my memory was it was John 1731 01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:56.640 Clees doing a posh boy got his position by you know, 1732 01:31:56.800 --> 01:31:59.399 just being born into the right family, because you know, 1733 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:01.439 we do that in Britain. They just get made fucking 1734 01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:03.720 sergeants and ship because they were born in the right family. 1735 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:07.159 And then the Spice Girls won't obey him, so he 1736 01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:11.119 starts getting all flustered and he's like, but the decorum 1737 01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.560 and the tradition and that would have been better though, 1738 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:15.920 But in my memory that's what it was, right. And 1739 01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:17.880 then I watched this and I was like, I literally 1740 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:21.319 wrote down, that's fucking Michael Barrymore. Have I got an 1741 01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:24.720 alternate edition of the movie. Yeah, I doubt it. I 1742 01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:26.720 think no. I looked it up. John Clees was never 1743 01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:29.600 in it. No good good for him, Tell You, Tell You, 1744 01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:32.560 isn't it? Those the most surprising cameo in it for me. 1745 01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.880 Bob motherfucking Hoskins is in this film. I cannot with 1746 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:42.600 no dialogue. He's dubbed by Jerry halliwell, yep. To be fair, though, 1747 01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:46.039 he can no longer have claimed that Super Mario Brothers 1748 01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:48.600 was the worst film he was in, because this is 1749 01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:53.520 way worse than Super Mario Brothers in every single capacity, 1750 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:58.159 is literally every single got Spice Girls in it, So 1751 01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:01.800 with the music. They don't do any real singing or dancing. 1752 01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:04.760 It weirdly, it weirdly made me proud to be British. 1753 01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:08.439 This film it made me a shame to be really. 1754 01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:11.439 I had a little wave of Patriotis and watching this, yeah, 1755 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:14.800 I was like, yeah, Britain I didn't get. I was like, 1756 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:20.000 look at all the fucking sellouts. This is how much 1757 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:23.920 Britain sucks is We are basically just sellouts that sit 1758 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:26.960 there and go, hey, look tea with the Queen. Yeah, 1759 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:29.880 that's all Britain is. Now. We were an empire on 1760 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:35.640 Yeah they were bad. There's a line though, in this 1761 01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:40.680 bit that is so cringe where I obviously girl power 1762 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:44.479 was the whole spice Girl's thing and it was particularly 1763 01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:49.800 associated with Jerry Halliwell and obviously great cause, you know, feminism, 1764 01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:54.199 great cause and whatnot. But this line where she literally 1765 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:58.439 explains what girl power means and she's like girl power 1766 01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:03.279 equalization between the sexers, but it's Bob Hoskins miming it, 1767 01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:07.159 doing the peace sign while Jerry Halliwell says it. And 1768 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:13.880 I was just like, your message is good, like the absolutely, 1769 01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:17.880 but it just something when you're Bob Hoskins and not Jerry, 1770 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:21.239 but the execution, the fact the Waits just dropped into 1771 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:26.960 the middle of this movie. It's like, what also I reckon? 1772 01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:30.199 That's the only I reckon. Jerry Halliwell basically said to them, 1773 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.119 I will not do this movie unless I can have 1774 01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:35.920 a part in the film where I say this or 1775 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:38.680 say something. But she didn't. But she didn't specify how 1776 01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:40.960 she had to say it. So they went, Okay, we'll 1777 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:42.680 give you what you want. By the way, you're not 1778 01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:44.319 even gonna be on screen when you say it. It's 1779 01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:47.560 gonna be Bob Hoskins doing an over the top sassy 1780 01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:49.880 girl move. But the point of the Bob Hoskins cameo 1781 01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:54.399 narrative turns into Bob Hoskins Yeah, because she's like, she's 1782 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:56.359 going right, I've got a good way around the press, 1783 01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:58.560 so they won't recognize me. She goes into the telephone 1784 01:34:58.600 --> 01:34:59.920 booths to like change almost like. 1785 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.159 Superman, I guess, but when she comes out, rather than 1786 01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:05.760 being a superperson, she comes out as Bob Hoskins. But 1787 01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:08.439 then that never comes back, not even with Bob Hoskins. 1788 01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:11.479 But in no capacity do they ever hide their actual 1789 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.520 you know personas Again, Bob. 1790 01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:19.560 Hoskins needed some money or something for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1791 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:22.039 So I pointed this is when I realized that Richard E. 1792 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:24.439 Grant was not actually the villain of the movie. Yeah, 1793 01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:27.079 because I was like, I was sure he sold them out. Yeah, 1794 01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:29.960 but he doesn't. Although I have put this, this neo 1795 01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:33.359 green suit he's wearing makes me feel like he's auditioning 1796 01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:37.279 to play the Riddler forever. It's like the Riddler, but 1797 01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:41.000 within the Matrix. Yeah, because it's so precise, Like the 1798 01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:46.239 suit is pristine, the sidebirds, the slip, the shades. I'm like, 1799 01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:48.680 this guy is meant to be in the Matrix, but 1800 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.239 as the Riddler, and then he has to fit on 1801 01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:55.159 stage in it. Ah, that's just like, yeah, this guy 1802 01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:59.239 should totally be the Riddler home. I reckon to Tommy 1803 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:01.319 Lee Jones with the sank his buffooner, I reckon he 1804 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:04.039 would have done absolutely. This is also the part where 1805 01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:06.800 Roger More's cat has been swapped for a pig, and 1806 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:09.239 we now do a very clever and by clever, I 1807 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:12.920 mean not great writing thing where they clearly had gotten 1808 01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:15.159 to We're probably like an hour and ten into this 1809 01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:19.159 ninety minute movie now yep, and the producers suddenly go, oh, 1810 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.760 there's no third act. There's no third act, and we 1811 01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:26.119 don't really know how to build tension to get the 1812 01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:30.199 Spice girls, you know from because they've gone to the 1813 01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:33.960 hospital with their friend who's gone into labor yep. And 1814 01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:35.279 they're like, we don't really know how we're going to 1815 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:39.279 get them back to their It's got to finish with 1816 01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:42.079 a big concert, obviously, because it's a music film. Don't 1817 01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:43.399 know how we're going to do this, So they use 1818 01:36:43.479 --> 01:36:46.319 the American producer and writer character, the ones who are 1819 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:48.880 pitching the movie to Richard E. Grant. They use them 1820 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:53.000 to basically do away with the third act and truncate 1821 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:57.159 it into a just hand wave away the villains. Richard 1822 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:01.880 O'Brien just sees the error of his ways, doesn't he 1823 01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:04.640 Just like he's like, oh no, I have realized the 1824 01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:05.600 error of my way. 1825 01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:09.079 Yeah, So I didn't need all of this. There's a 1826 01:37:09.079 --> 01:37:11.479 bit where Jerry Halliwell shouts up the woman's fanny and 1827 01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:12.479 I'm like, I didn't need this. 1828 01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:14.399 I didn't. I didn't need a film with this bit 1829 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:16.479 in it at all. I forgot. I don't remember seeing that. 1830 01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:18.800 When when they think she's gonna give birth, I think 1831 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:20.439 it might be when they're in the hospital with it, 1832 01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:21.640 or does she stay up there? 1833 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:22.720 Stay up there? 1834 01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:24.600 Shouts up the woman And I don't need to see 1835 01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:27.520 Jerry Hall will shower up a woman's fanny. That's not necessary. 1836 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.319 There is one more good joke that comes. 1837 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:34.000 Out tower Bridge. Yeah. Yeah, it's the only other good 1838 01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:36.600 joke in the film. Yeah, I've written here they so. 1839 01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:39.159 I actually if we had more of this in the film, 1840 01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:41.880 to be honest, what the film probably should have been 1841 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:45.439 should have if they were smarter and more meta about it, 1842 01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:47.640 and we were doing meta films by ninety seven. Yeah, 1843 01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:54.359 it should have been the American producers pitching different movies 1844 01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:58.079 for the Spice Girls to act. Sketches. Yeah, that sketches 1845 01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:01.239 and they're all terrible, And your film becomes a commentary 1846 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:05.199 on the commercialization of everything that would have been and 1847 01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:06.880 it's brilliant, and it wouldn't be like it's the first 1848 01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:08.680 time it's been done. I've got a film. I have 1849 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:11.439 an Audrey Hepburn box set, and there's a film in 1850 01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:15.000 it called Paris When Its Sizzles. It's Audrey Hepburn and 1851 01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:20.920 William Holden. William Holden's a screenwriter and she's a typist 1852 01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:24.199 who has been sent there not only to be a 1853 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:26.239 typist for him, but to make sure he actually writes 1854 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:29.039 the script because he's a screenwriter who's gotten a bit 1855 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:32.159 of a reputation for never actually handing scripts in on 1856 01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:35.680 time because he's a drunk. And he tells her the 1857 01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:38.800 idea for the film, but he's only got like the 1858 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:42.199 first scene, and she's like, your deadline's in three days. 1859 01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:44.279 What do you mean you've only got the first scene? 1860 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:46.600 Is like, well, I've written so many scripts, you know, 1861 01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:49.039 I don't know what to do now. I'm just copying myself. 1862 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:51.800 It's previous stuff I've already done. And the whole film 1863 01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:56.119 is them coming up with different ways the film could go, 1864 01:38:56.680 --> 01:38:58.159 and then each time they cought with a new one, 1865 01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:00.960 it will cut to them to acting that out, and 1866 01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:03.319 it ends up being really crazy. The film that starts 1867 01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:07.039 as like a serious drama about finding love in Paris 1868 01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:12.159 ends up turning into a bit where Dracula is having 1869 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:16.079 a World War two bomber plane fight with them. Right, yes, 1870 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:18.000 they should have done something like that, because this bit 1871 01:39:18.920 --> 01:39:21.800 I didn't mind where it's like, you know, oh, they're 1872 01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:23.279 on top of the roof, they're on the roof of 1873 01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:25.760 the bus and Richard E Grant's like, why those are 1874 01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:27.920 the rules? You gotta do that, And then they find 1875 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:31.439 a bomb on the bus, but why it's the rule? Yeah, 1876 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:34.199 that could have been something. And the tower. I do 1877 01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:36.119 like the bit where they're like, they're going to jump 1878 01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:39.239 tower bridge. Oh that sounds expensive, and it cuts to 1879 01:39:39.399 --> 01:39:42.680 literally a toy over a cardboard bridge and he goes, 1880 01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:45.680 oh maybe, yeah that was a joke. That's a really 1881 01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:48.680 good joke. What way too late do you're to talk 1882 01:39:48.680 --> 01:39:52.479 about Hackney joke? Really hackneyed? Oh they know that they've 1883 01:39:52.520 --> 01:39:56.319 gone through Hackney ha ha when they get I don't 1884 01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:59.840 know if you noticed the needle drop when they get 1885 01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:02.880 to the Royal Albert Hall, right, and they get off 1886 01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:06.279 the bus and they run up the teeny tiny flight 1887 01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:11.319 of steps. Yep, it plays the fucking music from Rocky 1888 01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:15.720 when he's running up the massive Philadelphia steps and he's 1889 01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:18.880 done the whole run all the way through. They make 1890 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:21.760 it up the first flight of stairs before the first 1891 01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:27.800 five notes of the music have played. But anyway, you 1892 01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:30.479 get a bit where Richard E Grant is like, I'm 1893 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:33.560 done for it's over. Then the Spice Girls turn up 1894 01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:36.000 at the last minute. Alan Cummings disappointed because he kind 1895 01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:38.840 of wants the documentary to have a well. 1896 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:43.359 Because where Richardie Grant basically goes, I hate them, I 1897 01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:45.760 hate those girls, and he thinks he's got the perfect 1898 01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:48.199 end of the documentary. This is basically how the Spice 1899 01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:52.000 girls deteriorate and fall and then immediately the girls run 1900 01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:52.279 in and. 1901 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.199 Go, hey, don't worry, we're here. We're going on stageing 1902 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:55.319 why are you sitting around? 1903 01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:57.760 Yeah, and he goes, I love those girls, I love them, 1904 01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.159 and that's why it ruins his documentary, But I'm in 1905 01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:04.199 Would that really stop a nefarious, fucking journalist from just 1906 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:08.600 cutting out the I hate and releasing the movie as no? 1907 01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:13.720 He apologizes to his assistant Donny that's a relatively good 1908 01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:15.560 She says, you know, what do we do? He says, 1909 01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:16.760 what do we do now? She goes, well, this is 1910 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:18.319 the bit where you chat me up. We'd end up 1911 01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:22.720 basically sleeping together and then we'd fall out professionally in 1912 01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:25.600 the next day, and the insinuation is that they do 1913 01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:28.680 sleep together, and it nearly falls apart, but he manages 1914 01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:31.960 to get enough heart to actually apologize, though he doesn't 1915 01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:35.119 really apologize no, he apologizes and she goes, what for. 1916 01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:37.640 It is because I'm supposed to I don't know. Yeah, 1917 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:40.640 it's like he doesn't really apologize, and it just kind 1918 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:43.960 of ends. We end up with a bit. They do 1919 01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:46.039 a bit where the Spice Girls break the fourth wall, 1920 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.000 don't they and over the credits and they like come 1921 01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:52.039 up to the camera they're like the people watching us. Yeah, 1922 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:54.840 it's like, of course they fucking are You're the Spice Girls. 1923 01:41:56.520 --> 01:41:59.319 So yeah, it's it's it's it's not a great film, 1924 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.720 but I I thought it was interesting in a how 1925 01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:06.800 ridiculous it is, and be in contrast to Moonwalker, I 1926 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:08.880 think we didn't really plan to do it as a 1927 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:12.680 double bill at first, and I think it's really interesting 1928 01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:19.399 actually that one is clearly a singular person, the actual 1929 01:42:19.479 --> 01:42:23.479 artist in question, driving it forward, whereas this other one 1930 01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:27.279 is a commercial project, a package that's put together because 1931 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:30.359 the Spice Girls were the biggest fucking thing in the 1932 01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:34.720 world in nineteen ninety seven, and it was like, well, yeah, 1933 01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:38.079 let's fuck it, let's put them everywhere, Let's do Barbie dolls, 1934 01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:41.520 let's do a video game, let's do a movie. And 1935 01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:44.640 it's really shocking when you actually look at it because 1936 01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:47.279 we remember them as this big cultural thing. It's only 1937 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:51.119 a few years that is peak Spice Girls, and all 1938 01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:54.960 this shit is condensed into just like a two year 1939 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:59.199 period because I don't think they even fully lasted five years. 1940 01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:02.560 I'll check it now. Yeah, because they came out mid 1941 01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:06.239 nineties and they were gone realistically by the two thousands, 1942 01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:08.000 at least as a five. I think like two thousand 1943 01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:10.600 and one they broke up. Maybe maybe maybe even before that. 1944 01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:14.439 Let me let me have a look for you. Ninety 1945 01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:16.880 four to two thousand is their first run. 1946 01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:19.600 Right, so yeah, six years if that that's you know, 1947 01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:23.720 they were not up. But unlike MJ, who started off 1948 01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:25.920 huge in the Jackson five and then had his own 1949 01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:27.479 solo career for like thirty. 1950 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:29.279 Oh hang on, no, no, that said ninety four, but 1951 01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:32.439 that's kind of bollocks. Their first ever single doesn't come 1952 01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:34.479 out till ninety six, so I'm sorry, that's where you 1953 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:36.399 have to count it from, right. I don't care if 1954 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:38.920 they formed and were practicing before that. So this film 1955 01:43:39.039 --> 01:43:41.920 was made within a year of them realistically being famous. Yeah, 1956 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:45.439 So ninety six is Wanna Be? Which is number one? 1957 01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:48.119 Then they did three more number one singles, which will 1958 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:52.159 say You'll be there to become one a mama. Then 1959 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:55.000 they did the album Spice World, which sold fourteen million 1960 01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:58.680 copies worldwide, another three number one singles Spice Up Your 1961 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:01.640 Life Too Much in Viva for Hour, and then in 1962 01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:04.479 ninety seven they did their first ever live concert debut 1963 01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:07.600 and the feature film. The nineteen ninety eight Spice World 1964 01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:09.319 tour was the I Don't Know If It's Still Airs, 1965 01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:13.560 was the highest grossing concert tour by a female group, 1966 01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:17.680 and Halliwell left the Spice Girls then Jerry Halliwell was 1967 01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:20.199 only in it for like two years ninety six to 1968 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:23.560 ninety eight. So then they did a nineteen ninety nine 1969 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:27.840 tour and did the album Forever, which gave them their 1970 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:31.359 ninth number one single, which was Holler Slash Let Lovely 1971 01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:33.159 the Way I Don't Know That one, and at the 1972 01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:37.319 end of two thousand they split up. So, yeah, they are. 1973 01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:39.800 They're kind of a flash in the pan, you know 1974 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:42.520 what I mean, Like they turn up, they burn very brightly, 1975 01:44:42.640 --> 01:44:48.479 very quickly, and then they're gone, yeah wow. Yeah four 1976 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:52.199 years then basically yeah, ninety six to two years of 1977 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:56.800 them as a five piece. Yeah, it's it's they were, yeah, 1978 01:44:56.800 --> 01:44:58.560 a flash in the pan and nothing burger in the 1979 01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:02.079 long stream, you know, because they and that's another thing. 1980 01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:04.680 By the time m J made moonwalf I had to say, 1981 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:07.399 that's another difference is and that's at the height of them. 1982 01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:10.399 That's MJ's been around for ages. Yeah, he's I mean, 1983 01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:12.720 he's been a celebrity for about ten years at that point, 1984 01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:16.319 at least longer because he was Jackson five. Yeah, as 1985 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:18.680 a solo career, at least he'd been going for about 1986 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:21.600 eight years. And prior to that, as you say, he 1987 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:24.039 had the Jackson five career. He was big. 1988 01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:25.720 He was a big name for a long time, and 1989 01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:28.600 he was at his peak, whereas technically the Spice Girls 1990 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:30.000 were at their peak at this time. 1991 01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:33.920 But the peak came much quicker and very quickly. Yeah, 1992 01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:37.399 And overall, Michael Jackson had a career his entire life, 1993 01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:41.800 whereas these girls didn't have a Spice girl's career their 1994 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:44.399 entire life. No, and not, let's be honest, none of 1995 01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:47.359 the solo careers really took off. Jerry Halliwell had a 1996 01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:49.920 couple of good songs. Emma Bunton had a good song. 1997 01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:52.199 Melc had a couple of good songs. 1998 01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:54.920 Yeah, Melse sees the Sporty Spice Ones, and she she 1999 01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:57.279 had a couple of good albums that were popular in 2000 01:45:57.279 --> 01:45:59.680 the late nineties, no, in the early to mid two 2001 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:02.720 thousand and then she sort of disappeared as well. 2002 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:04.760 Well, there you have it, folks. That was a double 2003 01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:08.600 bill for Second Take Cinema. This is the season finale 2004 01:46:08.760 --> 01:46:11.960 of season three. Up next, we've got a five week 2005 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:16.399 long run of Listener Request Month. That's right, We will 2006 01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:22.039 be doing episodes requested by you guys. We went out 2007 01:46:22.079 --> 01:46:25.439 on our discord and on our Patreon and we asked 2008 01:46:25.439 --> 01:46:28.199 people to send in films they want to hear us discuss, 2009 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:31.319 and we've got five great selections. So we will see 2010 01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:33.760 you next time on Second Take Cinema.