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Speaker 6: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 6: for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm
Speaker 6: your host is always George Hobbes as we record on
Speaker 6: this Wednesday morning, June fourth, twenty twenty five. Our guest
Speaker 6: Matt is standing by. We'll have them on in just
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Speaker 6: all we have as far as housekeeping notes. Today, I
Speaker 6: want to bring on today's guest. His name is Matt,
Speaker 6: and again Matt, good morning. How are you sir?
Speaker 5: I'm doing great.
Speaker 6: How are you, George doing really well? Thank you for
Speaker 6: joining us this morning, and as always, do take a
Speaker 6: moment and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. So, first of all, it's an honor
Speaker 5: to be on the show. I really appreciate this opportunity.
Speaker 5: My name is Matt. I'm first and foremost the follower
Speaker 5: of Jesus Christ, seeking every day to live in accordance
Speaker 5: with his word. I'm thirty four years old, born and
Speaker 5: raised in a great state of Kentucky. I was bussed
Speaker 5: to grow up in a Christian home where I was homeschooled,
Speaker 5: and I was encouraged to thank for myself at an
Speaker 5: early age and really to view life as a holistic
Speaker 5: learning experience, not just something that you experience in the classroom.
Speaker 5: I have an educational background in biology, psychology, and theology,
Speaker 5: but I enjoy pursuing a wide varieuy of subject matter.
Speaker 5: I just really love learning whatever it is, and that's
Speaker 5: one of the reasons why I got into, you know,
Speaker 5: researching the topics that we're going to talk about today. Currently,
Speaker 5: I am employed in the construction field. I get to
Speaker 5: do a lot of traveling, and so that gives me
Speaker 5: a lot of time to listen to podcasts, to your show,
Speaker 5: and in my spare time, I enjoy outdoor activities, running, hiking,
Speaker 5: and camping, anything outdoors. I love to write music, and
Speaker 5: I just I just love learning more about the true
Speaker 5: nature of this created realm that we live in. And
Speaker 5: I'd also like to give a big shout out to
Speaker 5: my Flat Earth brothers, Mike and Charles. They were on
Speaker 5: the show back on a couple of the earlier episodes,
Speaker 5: and I've been really blessed to be able to connect
Speaker 5: with them, and I'm just so thankful for this community
Speaker 5: and just all the knowledge that is shared here. It's
Speaker 5: a real blessing.
Speaker 3: That was Mike and Charles.
Speaker 6: You said, yes right on, that's awesome that I've heard
Speaker 6: so many stories of people connecting with our guests from
Speaker 6: previous episodes, and how the community is you know, it
Speaker 6: can be a divisive community.
Speaker 3: It truly can.
Speaker 6: Some people don't like to have any differences in their beliefs.
Speaker 3: But I really believe that.
Speaker 6: Good outweighs the divisive, if you will. I have heard
Speaker 6: so many great stories of people who have both in
Speaker 6: their communities and in long distance, build relationships that have
Speaker 6: helped them physically, mentally, but more importantly spiritually.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah, it's so important to build the community. We
Speaker 5: really need to realize that we have we have a
Speaker 5: lot more in common than we have differences. At the
Speaker 5: end of the day, and even on areas that we
Speaker 5: disagree on, you know, we can we can agree to disagree,
Speaker 5: and I think we can all agree in the Truth
Speaker 5: community that that we definitely need we need more to
Speaker 5: be more united, and that we need more humility, you know,
Speaker 5: because we know one person that knows at all, we
Speaker 5: all you know, God's bringing together people from all kinds
Speaker 5: of different backgrounds and with different experiences and knowledge, and
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's it's in working together that we
Speaker 5: really make a difference.
Speaker 6: Yeah, humility is something that I've been studying here in
Speaker 6: this first semester. That is something that it's very difficult
Speaker 6: to you know, as a man when it comes to
Speaker 6: forgiveness and humility. I think all of us that's two
Speaker 6: things that we really need to work on. And you
Speaker 6: know your email Ephesian six eighteen, which talks about really
Speaker 6: being in prayer all of the time, you know, keeping
Speaker 6: it on your mind foremost. It's really it's similar to
Speaker 6: being in the truth community. We kind of have to
Speaker 6: rewire who how we were built originally. We don't have
Speaker 6: to really have to change wholesale, but I think we
Speaker 6: for myself. I don't want to speak for everybody else,
Speaker 6: but I changed the way I used to learn things
Speaker 6: and where I got my information from. Right, if it
Speaker 6: came from a textbook, then I just it had to
Speaker 6: be the gospel. But it turns out the Gospel is
Speaker 6: really the only thing that is gospel in this day
Speaker 6: and age. What do you you talked about the impact
Speaker 6: of early schooling. If there was a if you were
Speaker 6: able to create a curriculum in Kentucky, what would you
Speaker 6: base education on and what would you do to support
Speaker 6: critical thinking and research skills amongst the young minds.
Speaker 5: You know, the Bible is number one, It's the foundation,
Speaker 5: and I think one of the Uh, critical aspects of
Speaker 5: education that we've really lost is learning how to think logically,
Speaker 5: and that classical educational approach is really important and there's
Speaker 5: no one size fits all educational approach and it's really
Speaker 5: but but we've really lost the ability to to think
Speaker 5: logically in analyzing arguments, you know, and just the basic
Speaker 5: laws of logic and being able to recognize logical fallacies,
Speaker 5: and we've really really lost that. I think getting back
Speaker 5: to a more classical educational approach based on scripture, I
Speaker 5: think would be really beneficial, and also just instilling a
Speaker 5: lifestyle of learn, holistic learning approach for kids. Like I said,
Speaker 5: just understanding that it's education isn't just in the classroom.
Speaker 5: It's about applying that knowledge in the real world and
Speaker 5: being able to really bring out each each student's unique
Speaker 5: abilities and skills and gifts that God has given them.
Speaker 5: So there's really there's no one size fits all, but
Speaker 5: I would I would say that getting back to more
Speaker 5: of a classical approach to education centered on on the Bible,
Speaker 5: on a on a Christian worldview, and just instilling that
Speaker 5: love for learning. That's that's so critical.
Speaker 6: Well said, Amen, We're going to kind of break this
Speaker 6: down we kind of emailed back and forth. We're going
Speaker 6: to break down today's chat into three basic sections, and
Speaker 6: you want to just start out first talking about psychological
Speaker 6: issues and you know, as well as foundational spiritual spiritual issues.
Speaker 6: So why don't you lead the charge on this?
Speaker 5: Sure, thank you, George. And before I do that, I
Speaker 5: would like to just share my testimony briefly, because that
Speaker 5: does relate to a lot of things that talk about.
Speaker 5: And like I said, I was raised in a Christian home,
Speaker 5: but you know, growing up, I had not truly accepted
Speaker 5: Christ for myself. You know, I'd personally appropriated to faith.
Speaker 5: But when I was about seventeen, I was going through
Speaker 5: some severe struggles with anxiety and depression. And I just
Speaker 5: feel like I need to say, you know, if anyone
Speaker 5: is out there struggling with anxiety and depression in particular
Speaker 5: or whatever it is, you know, God he's merciful and
Speaker 5: he's there for us, and we have only to turn
Speaker 5: to Him and faith and Jesus is the answer. And
Speaker 5: because I've been there, I was about as low as
Speaker 5: you can get with anxiety and depression, feeling very broken,
Speaker 5: overwhelmed by a sense of sin and failure. But I
Speaker 5: found forgiveness and strengthen Jesus Christ. That is, that's the
Speaker 5: most important thing. And just like with the Apostle Paul
Speaker 5: when he was talking about his thorn in the flesh
Speaker 5: and the Lord, the Lord said, my grace is made
Speaker 5: perfect in weakness. And that's really been kind of a
Speaker 5: theme for my life. And the Lord really showed me
Speaker 5: how my salvation didn't depend on my own efforts and
Speaker 5: works or my feelings. You know, I'm a feeling at
Speaker 5: the time. You know, works and feelings can be good things,
Speaker 5: but they can also lead us astray. So we need
Speaker 5: to really make sure that we're grounded on the on
Speaker 5: the solid rock of Christ and the salvation by grace alone,
Speaker 5: through faith alone. And then after I was saved, after
Speaker 5: I was born again, the Lord just started to reveal
Speaker 5: a lot of truth to me, and I began to
Speaker 5: realize that the world is not at all what is
Speaker 5: presented to us, as we've been lying to about a
Speaker 5: lot of things. And looking back, I can see even
Speaker 5: when I was, when I was a child, you know,
Speaker 5: I would I would ask a lot of questions. I would,
Speaker 5: you know, I would think it was funny, you know
Speaker 5: how they said that we're spinning really fast, a one
Speaker 5: thousand miles per hour on the Earth, and yet it
Speaker 5: didn't you know, it didn't feel right. But I thought, well,
Speaker 5: I guess you know, they're the experts, you know what
Speaker 5: they're talking about. You know. I even had I remember
Speaker 5: when I was a kid when I first looked through
Speaker 5: a telescope and I saw the stars the way they
Speaker 5: really are, and I thought, you know, that doesn't really
Speaker 5: look like the cartoons that were shown by NASA. But
Speaker 5: you know, at the time, I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 5: that's what all the adults tell me, is this way,
Speaker 5: So I guess it is. But you know, looking back,
Speaker 5: I can see how God was already kind of priming me,
Speaker 5: as it were, uh before, for the truth that he
Speaker 5: was going to show me later on and around I
Speaker 5: guess it was twenty sixteen, I started to look into
Speaker 5: some of these things, moon landing JFK nine to eleven.
Speaker 5: I even came across some information on flat Earth. At
Speaker 5: that point, I didn't actually, honestly, I didn't dismiss it
Speaker 5: out of hand. I just kind of kept it in
Speaker 5: the back of my mind, kind of like for future reference.
Speaker 5: It was. I was skeptical, but I think it was
Speaker 5: it was more that I didn't have a lot of
Speaker 5: time because I was focused on the other other issues,
Speaker 5: and I thought, well, that's an interesting time. But I
Speaker 5: don't know about that. But you know, I can see
Speaker 5: again how the Lord was preparing me for this truth,
Speaker 5: specifically the flat Earth truth of biblical cosmology. And so yeah,
Speaker 5: and then after COVID, of course, like with most people,
Speaker 5: after witnessing the world governments and Lockstep pushing this lethal
Speaker 5: bio weapon on the population, and just how everything that
Speaker 5: was done was how totally evil and satanic it was,
Speaker 5: then my mind really was opened. And then it was
Speaker 5: about that time I started listening to your show The
Speaker 5: Fact Hunter, and that just really the Lord really used
Speaker 5: that to confirm so many things that I was researching
Speaker 5: and really helped to inspire me to keep going on
Speaker 5: the research. And then one day, I don't remember exactly
Speaker 5: what it was, but I was looking on Spotify and
Speaker 5: the Flat Earth Files just happened to come up. You know,
Speaker 5: I know it was providential, but it seemed like it
Speaker 5: just happened to come up this side of the Blue
Speaker 5: and as a recommended show. And I've heard that from
Speaker 5: other people too, And so since I was aware of
Speaker 5: flot Earth before. I didn't think it was silly or anything,
Speaker 5: but I still was kind of like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: But then after listening to the first few episodes, just
Speaker 5: the way you presented the information, as they say, the
Speaker 5: rest is history. I started doing my own recent search
Speaker 5: and really digging deep into scripture on this topic. And
Speaker 5: that's what really sealed it for me, because I when
Speaker 5: i'm am convinced that the Bible teaches something and I
Speaker 5: that's when I know it's true. And so, you know,
Speaker 5: like you, I couldn't sleep for literally two weeks. It was.
Speaker 5: It's funny, it's like that same timeframe. So two weeks
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my goodness, I can't believe we've been
Speaker 5: lied to like this. And then I'll never forget the moment.
Speaker 5: I was driving to work early one morning. It was
Speaker 5: still dark, and I looked up and saw the moon,
Speaker 5: and I just remember thinking that the moon, it's not
Speaker 5: this dusty rock, you know, two hundred and forty thousand
Speaker 5: miles or so away. They tell us, it's right there
Speaker 5: in the farmament. It's part of a perfect skycalk with
Speaker 5: the sun and stars, and God is right there Bubba's
Speaker 5: looking down on the circle of the Earth. We're not
Speaker 5: randomly spinning and wobbling and falling through this endless vacuum.
Speaker 5: We're especially created on the on this flat, stationary earth,
Speaker 5: with a divinely ordained existence, care for the creation and
Speaker 5: glorified God and Savior. That's I wasn't thinking all those
Speaker 5: words right then, but that's that's that describes my motion
Speaker 5: at that moment. And I actually almost had to I
Speaker 5: almost had to pull off the side of the road
Speaker 5: and just stop. I was getting so emotional, was like,
Speaker 5: this is this is true, and it's and just realizing
Speaker 5: how much it was already beginning to strengthen my face.
Speaker 5: It's incredible. And so I'm just so thankful for that
Speaker 5: and for God's work and using your show and and
Speaker 5: other other things that have brought me to this truth.
Speaker 5: This truth.
Speaker 6: Well that that's an awesome testimony and it's I'm sure
Speaker 6: it resonates with a lot of people. For me, and
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's similar to you if you came on
Speaker 6: the Fact Hunter first. And I know we're going to
Speaker 6: get into this in a little bit with so for
Speaker 6: me nine to eleven, when I finally you know, went
Speaker 6: down the rabbit hole and figured out the truth about that.
Speaker 6: I felt that is a betrayal. But when you know
Speaker 6: it hit me with you know, flat earth, I just
Speaker 6: felt duped. I was kind of disappointed in myself because
Speaker 6: I've always considered I'd never considered myself the smartest guy
Speaker 6: in the room, but I always considered myself someone who
Speaker 6: was who had the ability to let's say, I can
Speaker 6: generally tell the moral compass of a person just having
Speaker 6: a brief conversation with them, whether I can sense usually
Speaker 6: if they're generally good, or maybe you know, have a
Speaker 6: few warning signs when you when you speak with someone.
Speaker 6: I was completely fooled. It was one of those things,
Speaker 6: even when I was well into my you know, search
Speaker 6: for the truth overall, in general, I would continue to
Speaker 6: kick the can down the road. Anytime it came up,
Speaker 6: I'd pull out my Captain America's shield and bounce it
Speaker 6: off and keep looking down. And what I didn't realize
Speaker 6: was how important that rabbit hole was. Because what it
Speaker 6: did is I stopped refusing to look at no matter
Speaker 6: how ridiculous something seemed, I'd at least take a moment
Speaker 6: or two to look into it now and That's very
Speaker 6: important because some things that I considered, like flat Earth
Speaker 6: just to be ridiculous. I would not even look into it.
Speaker 6: And then you're like, my goodness, Then you understand that
Speaker 6: everything on Earth, not very little is organic. Outside of
Speaker 6: what you do in your home, everything that you see
Speaker 6: on the TV, that comes through music, all of that
Speaker 6: is is not organic. And is it's it's really the
Speaker 6: Truman Show we're living in absolutely.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I actually I need to watch that whole movie.
Speaker 5: I still haven't watched the whole movie. I need to
Speaker 5: watch that. And I've seen what is it they Live
Speaker 5: and the Matrix. I haven't seen the Truman Show yet.
Speaker 5: I need to need to watch that for sure. But yeah,
Speaker 5: but really, you know, getting back to some of these foundations,
Speaker 5: no issues on some of the I'd like to move
Speaker 5: into talking about some of the intellectual and psychological issues
Speaker 5: that are foundational understanding what's going on. So everyone has
Speaker 5: a worldview. It's a way of looking at and interpreting
Speaker 5: the world. Whether you realize it or not, we all
Speaker 5: have a worldview, and everybody bio logical necessity. We have
Speaker 5: a lot of times in philosophy it's called an axiom
Speaker 5: or first principle by which you interpret the world. It's
Speaker 5: like the glasses that you use to view the world,
Speaker 5: the lens by what you see everything. And some people
Speaker 5: you know may claim they have no prior assumptions, they
Speaker 5: just interpret the world purely based on evidence, you know,
Speaker 5: you know, by what they see. But this is this
Speaker 5: is actually not true. And the proof of this is
Speaker 5: seeming the fact that everybody has different interpretations of the evidence.
Speaker 5: If the evidence was the ultimate reason why people come
Speaker 5: to a certain truth and everybody should agree. This is why,
Speaker 5: for instance, so many people can't seem to accept the
Speaker 5: clear evidence for all of these so called conspiracy theories
Speaker 5: and things, because they have these a priori axioms by
Speaker 5: which they're interpreting the world. And so people have been
Speaker 5: trained to automatically when they hear a quote unquote conspiracy
Speaker 5: theory that oh, that's just crazy, that's some you know,
Speaker 5: in that job on the internet. Whatever. And I'll get
Speaker 5: more into more of the psychology of this later, but
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, every worldview has to
Speaker 5: answer certain key questions, and I'm not going to go
Speaker 5: into all of them until the you know, philosophy gets
Speaker 5: to tedious and I don't want to take the time
Speaker 5: with that, but I think it is important to understand
Speaker 5: what truly constitutes knowledge in the ultimate sense, like in
Speaker 5: a philosophical sense. And we live in an age where
Speaker 5: everything you know. People want to view things as being
Speaker 5: relative and say, oh wow, there's no you know, no
Speaker 5: such thing as absolute truth. And the problem with that
Speaker 5: is it's self refuting because the very statement that there
Speaker 5: is no absolute truth is in itself a knowledge claim.
Speaker 5: You're claiming to know that there is no truth, or
Speaker 5: you're claiming to know that you don't know something. So
Speaker 5: it's really self refuting to deny the existence of absolute truth.
Speaker 5: So we know that truth exists, and we know that
Speaker 5: the knowledge of the truth has to exist because it's
Speaker 5: helf refuting to deny that. But in philosophy, in understanding
Speaker 5: what knowledge is in an ultimate sense, I would define
Speaker 5: knowledge as justified true belief. And so I promise to
Speaker 5: bring this full circle back to and relate it to
Speaker 5: the to the truth or world here, because it's very relevant.
Speaker 5: So I may have a belief about something that is true,
Speaker 5: but it may not be justified. So for instance, even
Speaker 5: I'll use an example of viewing something that you know
Speaker 5: seems like something very obvious and very easy to prove.
Speaker 5: You know that my name, for instance, my name is Matt.
Speaker 5: But is this belief justified? And at one level it is,
Speaker 5: But in an ultimate sense, unless a certain belief is
Speaker 5: guaranteed to exclude error, it can't be considered justified an
Speaker 5: ultimate philosophical sense. So I may believe that my name
Speaker 5: is Matt, and I might be able to justify to
Speaker 5: a certain degree. I could show you know, I could
Speaker 5: show you my ID, I could you know, different different
Speaker 5: proofs that I could produce. But at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, those things, since they're not a divine revelation,
Speaker 5: it's it's subject to error. And so this has relevance
Speaker 5: to the conspiracy world because there's so many things that
Speaker 5: we're told about the world, historical events, false narratives, and
Speaker 5: this is you know, like like the Mandela effect for instance.
Speaker 5: It's a good example of how you can have a
Speaker 5: belief that can feel so true and so real, but
Speaker 5: in reality it's actually a false perception or a false memory.
Speaker 5: And so the bottom line is that only beliefs that
Speaker 5: are justified in an ultimate sense are only the only
Speaker 5: beliefs that count as ultimate knowledge. Are those that come
Speaker 5: from divine revelation. And so that's why it's important that
Speaker 5: we base our worldview on divine revelation, as God has
Speaker 5: revealed it into scriptures. And once we have that, then
Speaker 5: we're able to interpret the evidence properly. We're able to
Speaker 5: interpret historical events properly. God then gives us the ability
Speaker 5: to interpret his creation the way it needs to be.
Speaker 5: But until we have that foundation and the proper set
Speaker 5: of presuppositions, we won't be able to do that. And
Speaker 5: so I just wanted to make that very clear that
Speaker 5: and also that relates to how we should science as Christians,
Speaker 5: because we have good there's good science, there's true science.
Speaker 5: The word science actually comes from I believe it's a
Speaker 5: Latin word that simply means knowledge, and so science is
Speaker 5: good in that sense. But science, at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, it's a tool that God has given us
Speaker 5: to use in the world to help to to be
Speaker 5: good stewards of His creation, and it's but at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, science is not the ultimate arbiter
Speaker 5: of truth. In fact, a lot of times it actually
Speaker 5: leads us astray, and so we don't want to worship science.
Speaker 5: Science has become the scientism, this its own religion in
Speaker 5: the modern world. And so that's something that we need
Speaker 5: to really focus on, I believe as Christians is regaining
Speaker 5: a proper understanding of our faith in the intellectual sense
Speaker 5: and not be afraid of that. That Christian faith is
Speaker 5: is a robust intellectual worldview. In fact, it is it
Speaker 5: is rationality itself Jesus Christ in John chapter one. He
Speaker 5: is the log ass, he is the He is the
Speaker 5: principle of reason and rationality that upholds all things. He's
Speaker 5: not just an abstract principle. He's a person also. But
Speaker 5: it's we really need to combat this anti intellectual spirit
Speaker 5: that has pervaded the church for so long. It's very
Speaker 5: it's weak in the church church, and it's I think
Speaker 5: it's made a lot of Christians intimidated by, you know, secular,
Speaker 5: atheistic worldviews. But when we recognize that, you know, there's
Speaker 5: in scientism it really has no self justifying first principle
Speaker 5: to begin with, you can't you can't build a worldview
Speaker 5: on materialism. There is no way, uh two, for that
Speaker 5: axiom to justify it. People that say that you know,
Speaker 5: all knowledge comes from sense, perception, that is just everything
Speaker 5: we see is all of reality. Well, that in and
Speaker 5: of itself is not something you can observe through sense perception,
Speaker 5: So that worldview is not self justified, and so it
Speaker 5: really has no legs to stand on. And so as Christians,
Speaker 5: we need to reclaim our confidence in our faith as intellectually,
Speaker 5: rationally robust and able to defeat other world views. And
Speaker 5: knowing that we can be, we can then use scientific
Speaker 5: arguments against these secular worldviews, kind of like David cutting
Speaker 5: off the head of Goliath with his own sword after
Speaker 5: first hitting in with the stone. But we first have
Speaker 5: to we first have to use the stone of God's
Speaker 5: word to knock out the false presuppositions, and then we
Speaker 5: can use the scientific arguments as a secondary means of
Speaker 5: showing the truth.
Speaker 6: Really well stated. And you're right, the the word science
Speaker 6: is derived from the lat word santia, and it basically
Speaker 6: just means knowledge, right, And even like you know you said,
Speaker 6: they've hijacked that word and made it into something that
Speaker 6: it's not. And actually there's a very good article that
Speaker 6: I read just a few weeks ago written by Joseph
Speaker 6: Combe talking about how Christians should think about science and
Speaker 6: how it is troubling to see that these scientific advancements
Speaker 6: are racing past existing you know, man's laws and God's laws,
Speaker 6: and you know, we as believers of followers of Christ
Speaker 6: need to be wary of that. And you know, you
Speaker 6: really have to, like you said, you have to be
Speaker 6: able to articulate these things to people because of you
Speaker 6: going back to psycho psychological issues of how people are
Speaker 6: so deeply programmed. And if if I'm not pulling you
Speaker 6: too far off your path here, could I ask you
Speaker 6: the question how do you think or or what is
Speaker 6: the combinations of ways that they are programming as psychologically?
Speaker 5: Now that actually details perfectly into what I was going
Speaker 5: to talk about next, George. So, yeah, the psychology of
Speaker 5: coming to the truth. And I have some background in psychology,
Speaker 5: and it's it's just really fascinating to me to understand
Speaker 5: how people are wired, you know, what makes people tick
Speaker 5: and and so when I started getting into the you know,
Speaker 5: researching these truth or topics, it really became even more
Speaker 5: fascinating to me. But also you know, very very sad
Speaker 5: because then you realize, while we've been subjected to this
Speaker 5: mass mind control in a way that I don't believe
Speaker 5: has ever existed in history. Maybe maybe it has, like
Speaker 5: before the flood or something, but you know, it's it's
Speaker 5: really it's crazy, but we have been subjected to to
Speaker 5: this mass mind manipulation by the powers that be, and
Speaker 5: it's it's really nothing less than trauma based mind control
Speaker 5: and emotional manipulation through what I like to call early
Speaker 5: age imprinting. And so these two concepts I want to
Speaker 5: focus on once again, there's there's so much I'm just
Speaker 5: you know, scratching the surface on these topics. But first
Speaker 5: and trauma based mind control. The victim is not subjected
Speaker 5: to just simple manipulation. Someone could manipulate you with an
Speaker 5: emotional appeal or our simple bribes or you know, threats
Speaker 5: or whatever. But trauma based mind control, it's manipulation in
Speaker 5: a very diabolical way because it's appealing to the deepest
Speaker 5: feelings of our empathy, are compassion, our justice in the victim,
Speaker 5: and it's channeling that feeling towards a cause that is
Speaker 5: in reality fake and unjustified. And yet because of the
Speaker 5: trauma that's connected to the triggering event like nine to eleven,
Speaker 5: the victim is unable, at least initially to engage the
Speaker 5: critical thinking region of their brain. And that's the key
Speaker 5: that because if you can engage that critical thinking region
Speaker 5: of your brain at that critical time, you can disengage
Speaker 5: from a line narrative. But the traumatic event affects the
Speaker 5: pre frontal cortex of the brain, which is the region
Speaker 5: just believed to be most responsible for things like critical thinking, planning,
Speaker 5: and decision making. And that's I mean, that's part of
Speaker 5: our survival instinct is to you know, channel our energy
Speaker 5: towards those regions of the brain. They're going to help
Speaker 5: us to get out of a dangerous situation quick and
Speaker 5: so in one sense, that's a good that's a good thing.
Speaker 5: But you know, the powers that be that in the media,
Speaker 5: the government, they they have hijacked and exploited that natural
Speaker 5: survival instinct in order to force their narratives and their
Speaker 5: agendas on people. And so when you're experiencing a traumatic event,
Speaker 5: and the thing is, you don't even have to be
Speaker 5: personally experiencing it, that's where television comes in. Television brings
Speaker 5: the whole population into this traumatic event and even though
Speaker 5: you're not you may not experience it personally, when you
Speaker 5: see it, you're experiencing trauma to some degree. And so
Speaker 5: that's why people are so susceptible to emotional manipulation. You
Speaker 5: don't have to be personally a victim of the traumatic
Speaker 5: event to experience those neurological mental effects of the trauma
Speaker 5: based mind control. And so the perpetrators of this manipulation
Speaker 5: have used the television, have used media to great effect,
Speaker 5: like events like the Challenger explosion, you know, where they
Speaker 5: wheeled the television in and everybody you know saw that,
Speaker 5: and then of course nine to eleven. It subjects the
Speaker 5: entire population to the mind control at once. It's like
Speaker 5: I think the quote is attributed to Nixon where he
Speaker 5: said Americans will believe nothing until they see it on TV. Yep,
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, exactly, And that's that's so true, So
Speaker 5: that that adds such a powerful dimension to this mind control.
Speaker 5: And then what it does is when you have the
Speaker 5: few people who aren't taken in by the manipulation, they
Speaker 5: are persecuted because they're made out to be uncarrying and
Speaker 5: insensitive simply because they're questioning the official narrative. That's because
Speaker 5: everybody has has already become emotionally attached to the narrative
Speaker 5: that's been forced on them in that moment, and So
Speaker 5: that's that's trauma based mind control, and it's been used
Speaker 5: to great effects through all these false flags, a lot
Speaker 5: of the you know, school shootings and different things that
Speaker 5: happen anymore, when I you know, I'm at the point now,
Speaker 5: which I think you are too, George, where you see
Speaker 5: something in the news and you just automatically start questioning
Speaker 5: it and you can start kind of, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: poking holes in the narrative pretty quickly. But that's because
Speaker 5: we've been, you know, researching these things for some time.
Speaker 5: But you know, if you're if you're a person that's
Speaker 5: still under that mind control, you're just assuming that what
Speaker 5: you're being fed is true, but it's just not. Then
Speaker 5: the other the other concept I wanted to talk about
Speaker 5: with the psychological angle is this early age imprinting, and
Speaker 5: this has to do with uh, this has relevance with
Speaker 5: flat Earth of course, and the global lie because this
Speaker 5: early age imprinting, it's it's how we're brainwashed at the
Speaker 5: early stages of development to accept and become emotionally attached
Speaker 5: to certain ideas. They could be or they could be
Speaker 5: images and beliefs like the globe. The globe is just
Speaker 5: such a good example of this. I mean, obviously, globes
Speaker 5: are everywhere from as early as we can remember. I mean,
Speaker 5: you can't even you can barely come into this world
Speaker 5: without seeing a globe somewhere. It's going to be, you know,
Speaker 5: above the child in their crib and the bedroom, and
Speaker 5: and then it's going to be on children's programming on television,
Speaker 5: and then as they get a little older, it's going
Speaker 5: there's going to be a globe in the classroom. And
Speaker 5: then everything you see on the movies, in the documentaries,
Speaker 5: other forms of media, there's a globe, and it's it
Speaker 5: simply becomes part of the fabric of people's psyche. And
Speaker 5: it's that's why it's so extremely hard to dislodge that idea,
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, the idea has
Speaker 5: not been has not been put there on a rational basis,
Speaker 5: but it was. It's an emotional attachment, and as humans,
Speaker 5: that really is, you know, so probably the most powerful
Speaker 5: means of attaching an ideas somebody is through emotion. Really
Speaker 5: we need we should be able to move beyond that
Speaker 5: as we grow and develop intellectually, we should be able
Speaker 5: to give rational reasons for things we believe. But at
Speaker 5: a young age, that emotional attachment is just so strong,
Speaker 5: and so that and then this ties back into the
Speaker 5: presuppositional issue I was talking about. And so when a
Speaker 5: person becomes emotionally attached to a certain narrative, it becomes
Speaker 5: their presupposition, it becomes how they view the world, and
Speaker 5: so in order to dislodge that, it takes a radical
Speaker 5: reconstruction of their whole worldview. And that's why people push
Speaker 5: back so hard. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: this helps, This helps us understand, you know, that we
Speaker 5: do need to show patients with people and understand that
Speaker 5: as as a society, as a culture, we've been subjected
Speaker 5: to this mass mind control. And yeah, so that's that's all.
Speaker 5: I think, that's all I had on that. So hopefully
Speaker 5: that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 6: And that leads me into I'm glad you mentioned the
Speaker 6: globe and the effect that it's you know, they've been
Speaker 6: using it for such a long time. Something that I've
Speaker 6: been wanting to make a video and get it on
Speaker 6: my rumble channel is just a video of all the
Speaker 6: just short clips of TV shows and movies from you know,
Speaker 6: the thirties, forties, fifties up to today that have globes
Speaker 6: in the backgrounds on the set and just to show
Speaker 6: to prove how much of a effort that they do
Speaker 6: put into ensuring that it is part of your everyday
Speaker 6: life where it's it's it's subconscious reinforcement, is what I
Speaker 6: call it. And then you look at spelling, right, the
Speaker 6: word spell itself has a long and interesting history and
Speaker 6: it has to do with casting spells, and the globe,
Speaker 6: the word itself does suret you know, the word globe
Speaker 6: represents Earth in some manners, but it also.
Speaker 3: Has to do with power.
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to get into today, but if
Speaker 6: you do a little bit of research, you'll see that
Speaker 6: a globe does, you know, when you look into the
Speaker 6: history of globes, its representation to power. And then if
Speaker 6: you just go to Google and just put globe or
Speaker 6: globes into it, you'll see how everywhere in every walk
Speaker 6: of life, how to watch the golden globes, where to
Speaker 6: watch the right they call it the golden globes, your
Speaker 6: your newspapers, the Boston Globe, all of these things.
Speaker 3: It's it's NonStop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely yeah. And that's another thing too that that
Speaker 5: just came to mind, is even among Christians, you know
Speaker 5: that there's this what I like to call this attitude
Speaker 5: of being practically agnostic when it comes to Satan's ex
Speaker 5: even though you know, Christians and even even non Christians
Speaker 5: would readily agree that there's, uh, you know, either a
Speaker 5: powerful being called Satan or at least that there's evil,
Speaker 5: you know, force of evil in the world. Yet at
Speaker 5: the same time, it's like kind of just this vague
Speaker 5: notion that Okay, he's kind of out there and there's
Speaker 5: evil out there, but you know, but still generally we
Speaker 5: can trust, you know, every things that we hear and stuff.
Speaker 5: When really, I mean you think about it, you know,
Speaker 5: Satan is real, and he's he's at work in the
Speaker 5: world to deceive, and the manifestation of his activity is
Speaker 5: going to take shape through specific narratives and things. I mean,
Speaker 5: this itself is part of Satan's deception to hide his
Speaker 5: own activity and existence and make people who are pointing
Speaker 5: it out to be crazy. And I just think that
Speaker 5: this is really it's fascinating. It's also sad that Christians
Speaker 5: have been you know, duped into scene, but I mean,
Speaker 5: this is in the Bible. I mean it's Satan is
Speaker 5: the father of lies. He comes only to steel, kill
Speaker 5: and destroy. And in one John five nineteen it says
Speaker 5: that we know that we are children of God, and
Speaker 5: the whole world lies and wickedness are under the evil One.
Speaker 5: So you know, if Satan has you know, he doesn't
Speaker 5: have obviously he has no power over us as God's children.
Speaker 5: But the whole world there in that verse is referring
Speaker 5: to the whole world's system in opposition to God. And
Speaker 5: so if the whole world's system, in opposition to God
Speaker 5: is under the power of the evil One, who does
Speaker 5: nothing but lie, nothing but steal, nothing but destroy, then
Speaker 5: why wouldn't we expect just about everything that we hear
Speaker 5: from the world's system to be a lie?
Speaker 3: Hey man?
Speaker 6: And that is all of these things that we talk
Speaker 6: about are clearly written in the Bible. But again, it's
Speaker 6: breaking that psychological barrier that all of us listening to
Speaker 6: this podcast had to overcome at one point or another.
Speaker 6: And I'm so glad you brought up first John five
Speaker 6: because that entire chapter catalogs a lot of the things
Speaker 6: about wickedness about and reminding us not to keep worldly idols.
Speaker 6: And on my other podcast, I lost a third of
Speaker 6: my my audience when I started trying to show the
Speaker 6: truth about Trump. But that is another psychological barrier that
Speaker 6: a lot of people, conservatives, they can't get over, and
Speaker 6: that in itself is something. Right, there's there's for me once,
Speaker 6: for me twice, what about for me seven hundred times?
Speaker 6: My goodness, and people still put their faith in man,
Speaker 6: in these people, and we're told, you know, Psalms one
Speaker 6: eighteen eight, I beat a dead horse, but you know
Speaker 6: it says, put your faith in God, not man. And
Speaker 6: we whether it was COVID with Fauci or the government
Speaker 6: with Trump or insert whatever, we continue many people continue
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, so yeah, at this time,
Speaker 5: it's okay, George, I like to kind of switch gears
Speaker 5: and maybe we'll get into talking about some of the
Speaker 5: some of the false flags and historical things.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 5: All right, awesome. So one of the one of the
Speaker 5: truths that the Lord started to reveal to me pretty
Speaker 5: early on is in the area of eschatology and how
Speaker 5: to you know, view the relationship of Israel and the Church.
Speaker 5: And I know this is a lot of this is
Speaker 5: going to be controversial, maybe new to people, but you know,
Speaker 5: I just I just speak the truth as I see
Speaker 5: it in the word, and you know, I began to
Speaker 5: see that, how uh, the the teachings of dispensationalism and
Speaker 5: Zionism have really been very destructive and detrimental to the
Speaker 5: Church and the world in many ways. This idea of dispensationalism,
Speaker 5: it has roots in that go before the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 5: but really the really the main manifestation, if you will,
Speaker 5: of it, when it really took hold, was in the
Speaker 5: late eighteen hundreds. It first created and spread by John
Speaker 5: Nelson Derby of the Plymouth Brethren. And I know a
Speaker 5: lot of people, if you're a Christian the Truth community,
Speaker 5: you probably know a lot of this information. But I
Speaker 5: just think it's important to talk about this, especially given
Speaker 5: the stay of the world today. So John Nelson Derby,
Speaker 5: he was part of the what's called the Plymouth of Brethren.
Speaker 5: He was I was trying to do some more research
Speaker 5: on Derby because of I've heard rumors about him that
Speaker 5: he was an occultist or freemason himself. Now it's very
Speaker 5: possible that he was. I haven't been able to find
Speaker 5: any heard evidence that he actually was. But what I
Speaker 5: did find was that his family owned Leap Castle in
Speaker 5: England and his parents often engaged in magic rituals and
Speaker 5: had demonic encounters, and this is pretty well known. It's
Speaker 5: a castle. I think you can actually go visit it,
Speaker 5: and so that's pretty disturbing for one thing. And also
Speaker 5: when you read some of his writings, he has terms
Speaker 5: that are used in freemasonry, and he uses them a lot.
Speaker 5: He calls Jesus the coming One. He calls God the
Speaker 5: architect of the world, and that's a very that's a
Speaker 5: very common phrase in freemasonry and Illuminati literature. So at the
Speaker 5: very least he was very familiar with the teachings of freemasonry.
Speaker 5: But in any case, the teaching that he was promoting,
Speaker 5: this dispensationalism, I believe, is a rejection of the clear
Speaker 5: teaching of Scripture, and it is in many ways. It's
Speaker 5: to theological root of a lot of the bitter fruit
Speaker 5: that we see today, and it basically is teaching that
Speaker 5: there's this sharp distinction between ethnic Israel and the church
Speaker 5: that God had, And when you really take it to
Speaker 5: its extreme logical end, it basically forces you to believe
Speaker 5: that God has two people instead of one, which is
Speaker 5: really out I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it's fundamentally heresy. I'm not saying that everybody who believes
Speaker 5: in a form of dispensations is a heretic, but I'm
Speaker 5: just saying that the teaching itself, as it was originally
Speaker 5: promoted by Darby and its logical outcome, does result in
Speaker 5: false teaching, because it's what it's basically doing is it's
Speaker 5: treating that final finished work of Christ, which ratified the
Speaker 5: New Covenant, as insufficient in some way. Because if you
Speaker 5: have to have this, the separate dispensation and in which
Speaker 5: a certain favored race is elevated above the rest of humanity,
Speaker 5: that is completely anesthetical to the New Testament. God is
Speaker 5: not a racist, He's not elevating one group of people
Speaker 5: above the rest. There's one way to salvation for all peoples,
Speaker 5: and it's it's really an attack on the finished work
Speaker 5: of Christ. Even just the terminology that's used they present
Speaker 5: our dispensational teaching presents the church age as like this
Speaker 5: parenthesis period, as if we're just in a waiting periods
Speaker 5: like and then we're gonna, you know, get raptured out,
Speaker 5: and then we're gonna have and then God's going to
Speaker 5: deal with ethnic is Differently that is not what the
Speaker 5: New Testament teaches. The Church age is not a parenthesis.
Speaker 5: The Church is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, and
Speaker 5: all those in Christ are the true Israel, regardless of
Speaker 5: your athnic background. And so I think it's really this
Speaker 5: is really a fundamental false teaching that needs to be corrected.
Speaker 5: And I am encouraged to see a lot of people
Speaker 5: waking up to this, but I think people are very
Speaker 5: ignorant of the history of this idea. And then they
Speaker 5: also are not really digging deeper into scripture. They're just
Speaker 5: listening to what, you know. They may see a pastor
Speaker 5: on TV, a televangelist or whatever, you know, promoting dispensationalism,
Speaker 5: Zionism unconditionally supporting the modern state of Israel, and it's
Speaker 5: they don't have any theological backing for that. But there's
Speaker 5: too many people that are not really reading the Bible
Speaker 5: for themselves, and so I really feel like it's important
Speaker 5: to cover that and just some scriptures that I would
Speaker 5: like to reference. I don't have time to read all these,
Speaker 5: but in the New Testament we read that Abraham, the
Speaker 5: promise made to Abraham through his seed to all the
Speaker 5: nations is fulfilled in Christ alone. Christ is the seed
Speaker 5: of Abraham period and all those who believe in him.
Speaker 5: And so that's how the promise to Abraham is fulfilled.
Speaker 5: It's not fulfilled by trying to reinstate some kind of
Speaker 5: promised land in the Middle East, or by certainly not
Speaker 5: by rebuilding a physical temple, reinstituting animal sacrifices. They may
Speaker 5: try to do that, but that is in disobedience to God.
Speaker 5: That is not going to be that is not going
Speaker 5: to be rewarded by God. And so as Christians, we
Speaker 5: need to distance ourselves from that as much as possible,
Speaker 5: because that is one of the greatest blasphemies that you
Speaker 5: can do. It's like it's basically spitting in the face
Speaker 5: of Christ, like saying this, you know your work on
Speaker 5: the cross, it's not finished. We still need to go
Speaker 5: back to, you know, try to build this earthly kingdom
Speaker 5: in some way that is really dangerous, really blasphemous at
Speaker 5: the end of the day. And so I feel like
Speaker 5: I just need to warn people about that. And you know,
Speaker 5: we see that quickly coming. You know that we see
Speaker 5: that in history that control role now that the Zionism
Speaker 5: dispensationalism has over the Church and over our government to
Speaker 5: the point now where you know, everything I just said
Speaker 5: would probably be considered anti Semitic, and they're wanting to
Speaker 5: even pass laws against it. But the truth is the truth,
Speaker 5: and we need to we need to not be afraid
Speaker 5: to speak out against it.
Speaker 3: Well said.
Speaker 6: And I think when you were referring to the New Testament,
Speaker 6: I think Galatians three twenty eight really sums it up well.
Speaker 6: There is neither Jew nor Greek. There is neither slave
Speaker 6: nor free, there is no male and female, for you
Speaker 6: are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you're Christ,
Speaker 6: then you're Abraham's offspring. So you know, that's just saying
Speaker 6: that's the way, right, that that's the only way. It
Speaker 6: doesn't matter if you're Jew, if you're Greek. The only
Speaker 6: way is through Christ, that's right. And you also mentioned
Speaker 6: Cei Schofield or I'm sorry you mentioned John Nelson Darby.
Speaker 6: And the guy who took the ball and ran with
Speaker 6: it was Ci Schofield, and heated that name rings a
Speaker 6: bell with you all that speak. He's the Schofield Bible
Speaker 6: with the notes. C I Schofield was not a good dude.
Speaker 6: He was not a good man whatsoever. He had to
Speaker 6: resign from I think he was the US District Attorney
Speaker 6: for Kansas at one point and then he was forced
Speaker 6: to resigned because of scandal financial transactions. He was accepting
Speaker 6: bribes from the railroads, he was stealing political contributions. Just
Speaker 6: a bad dude, and he left his wife and children.
Speaker 6: He was a heavy drinker, and all of this post
Speaker 6: World War two, pardon me, is really and when you
Speaker 6: got to eighteen ninety is when it really turned with
Speaker 6: the world's Zionist organization. And that was almost the same
Speaker 6: time the CI Schofield Bible started showing up in all
Speaker 6: of these Bible colleges and it's the three big ones
Speaker 6: in America still champion that. So that is one of
Speaker 6: the reasons why this is ingrained in so many pastors
Speaker 6: across our country.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, the thing what should really
Speaker 5: be a huge red flag is the fact that you
Speaker 5: find nothing of this teaching in early church history, and
Speaker 5: really not up until the eighteen hundreds. Like I said,
Speaker 5: you can find certain individuals, like in the sixteen hundreds
Speaker 5: that maybe we're kind of had ideas that were proto Zionists,
Speaker 5: if you will, but really, for eighteen hundred years of
Speaker 5: church history. This dispensational Zionist ideology was not only unheard of,
Speaker 5: but it was really it would have been radically opposed
Speaker 5: because you read the Church action, they clearly understood that,
Speaker 5: you know, the Church is the fulfillment of the old Covenant.
Speaker 5: The new Covenant fulfills theal It doesn't it doesn't obliterate it.
Speaker 5: It still has meaning, but only as a shadow pointing
Speaker 5: to the reality. And that's the bottom line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said. And that is something that.
Speaker 6: If you look at everything before the Civil War, Freemasonry,
Speaker 6: those actual political parties, their whole basis of running was
Speaker 6: on getting rid of Freemasonry out of this country. There
Speaker 6: was a great religious movement in the mid seventeen hundreds,
Speaker 6: there was a great revival amongst Protestants, and they squelched
Speaker 6: the Freemasons. Of the one who ended up squelching it,
Speaker 6: and the original thirteen colonies didn't want anything to do
Speaker 6: with a federal government because they knew that slowly and
Speaker 6: surely they would take away our nature, natural rights, God's rights, right,
Speaker 6: God's laws. And that's what happened within a matter of
Speaker 6: seventy or eighty years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and it's it's really, you know, interesting when
Speaker 5: you study one thing that I've been looking into that
Speaker 5: I still need to do a lot of research on.
Speaker 5: I'm really kind of new to looking into this whole
Speaker 5: idea of could we actually be in Satan's Little Season?
Speaker 5: And it's I think we are. And I haven't worked,
Speaker 5: you know, all the details out well, nobody has, of course,
Speaker 5: but I think it's really it's very possible. I think
Speaker 5: we probably are. It's interesting that, you know, during the
Speaker 5: so called Middle Ages, there was a roughly one thousand
Speaker 5: year period where the Church was the dominant force in
Speaker 5: Western culture, particularly which was the kind of the former
Speaker 5: Roman Empire, if you will, the beginning of the uh,
Speaker 5: the uh let's see, look my nose here.
Speaker 6: So yeah, basically started with the fall of the Roman
Speaker 6: Empire and ended with the Renaissance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. And there's different ways you can calculate that.
Speaker 5: And the thing is where I'm still trying to work
Speaker 5: out is are we actually living in a timeline that
Speaker 5: they tell us? Because we have to question everything at
Speaker 5: this point. It's like, you know, are they really is
Speaker 5: a history that's presented like of the Middle Ages, you know,
Speaker 5: it's sometimes presented as like, oh, they're kind of you know,
Speaker 5: backwards people, and it was the Dark Ages and all
Speaker 5: this kind of stuff, and then it wasn't until the
Speaker 5: secular Enlightenment came along that mankind truly got you know,
Speaker 5: I questioned all that because you know, they're trying to
Speaker 5: present it like you know, Christianity, you know, took took
Speaker 5: society backwards and like that. It was this time I
Speaker 5: questioned all that. I really do, and especially when you
Speaker 5: look at some of the things that happened in the
Speaker 5: eighteen hundreds. I just recently discovered that they were all
Speaker 5: these insane asylums and they started they put people in
Speaker 5: these insane asylums, and the hundreds of thousands of people,
Speaker 5: and then you have all these orphans, you know, orphanages
Speaker 5: coming up on all these orphans. Where did these orphans
Speaker 5: come from? Why did they build all these insane asylums?
Speaker 5: And then you have all these buildings, these magnificent buildings
Speaker 5: that were built at like, how in the world could
Speaker 5: they have built that? Even with our modern technology. It
Speaker 5: just it doesn't seem possible. So I know that we've
Speaker 5: been lied to about everything at this point, So why
Speaker 5: would our history be an exception to that? I just
Speaker 5: I can't imagine that.
Speaker 6: And just to back that up a little bit, so
Speaker 6: much of our history in our history books and science books,
Speaker 6: our fiction as well. Right, if you just get on
Speaker 6: Google and put when did cavement exist, it'll say that
Speaker 6: it was during the Palaeolithic Era, which spans from two
Speaker 6: point five million years ago to ten thousand BC. Well,
Speaker 6: we know that's false because the Earth is only sixty
Speaker 6: five hundred years old. So I mean if there is proof, right,
Speaker 6: if you're a Bible believing person and there's proof in
Speaker 6: front of you that they're lying about that, then then
Speaker 6: we should be questioning the current timeline.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And it does seem like that, you know. However, However,
Speaker 5: like I said, I'm still doing research on like how
Speaker 5: to work out the thousand years, like if it's supposed
Speaker 5: to be a literal period or not. But it is
Speaker 5: interesting that like between eight hundred and eighteen hundred, it's
Speaker 5: another possible timeline for the thousand years because at eight
Speaker 5: hundred that was the creation or the beginning of Charlemagne's
Speaker 5: empire and kind of the beginning of Christianity's dominance in
Speaker 5: Western civilization, right, and then almost exactly a thousand years later,
Speaker 5: like early eighteen hundreds, you have the fall of the
Speaker 5: Holy Roman Empire. And again whether or not you know
Speaker 5: the political sphere of the Church's influence was always a
Speaker 5: good thing, it wasn't, of course, But the point is
Speaker 5: that Christianity was the dominant force in the culture for
Speaker 5: roughly a thousand years. But then in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 5: you have, of course, really a little before that, in
Speaker 5: the late seventeen hundreds, you have the revolutions, the American Revolution,
Speaker 5: the French Revolution. Then you have the rise of Marxism
Speaker 5: in the mid eighteen hundreds, multiple revolutions in Europe. I
Speaker 5: think eighteen forty eight, I believe it was the year.
Speaker 5: It is called the year of revolutions. Even in the
Speaker 5: early eighteen hundreds, of course, you have Napoleon, which he
Speaker 5: even called himself. Napoleon said he was wanting to create
Speaker 5: a new order and he would be the new Charlemagne.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of interesting that he would use that terminology,
Speaker 5: because you know, again that's kind of about the end
Speaker 5: of that thousand year period. It's like this new order
Speaker 5: is beginning, and so it's it's all very intriguing. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that any of this is correct, but I
Speaker 5: think it's very intriguing that you have that timeline and
Speaker 5: then in the eighteen hundreds you see all these things
Speaker 5: that look like a great reset happening. You know, maybe
Speaker 5: they were putting these people in insane asylums because they
Speaker 5: were they were people who didn't want to go along
Speaker 5: with the program, and they were putting them, you know,
Speaker 5: and even doing away with them. Who knows, and that's
Speaker 5: how all the orphans came about. So it's all intriguing.
Speaker 5: I think it's worth looking into. And I definitely don't
Speaker 5: think that it's It is a coincidence that then you
Speaker 5: have the rise of a lot of false cults in
Speaker 5: the eighteen hundreds, you know, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness and then
Speaker 5: of course dispensationalism and Zionism, which really is at the
Speaker 5: heart of so much of the New World order. When
Speaker 5: I start, yeah, and when I started researching historical events
Speaker 5: and just realizing, wow, we've we've only been given mostly lies,
Speaker 5: and you know, I started looking into the federal reserve system,
Speaker 5: which is anything but that. Even it's very name, it's
Speaker 5: not federal, it's not a reserve, and it's really not
Speaker 5: a system either it's all based on this fiat currency,
Speaker 5: and it's really our nation is really under a curse.
Speaker 5: And this is one of the main reasons is that
Speaker 5: Woodrow Wilson really sold us out. And it just it's
Speaker 5: just so sad. You know, realize that our money.
Speaker 6: I think we lost you for a second there, fayatte currency.
Speaker 6: You said, it's a shame that our money.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 6: Someone I think it was Thomas Massey that posted nineteen
Speaker 6: thirteen was the worst year ever, between the income tax,
Speaker 6: the seventeenth Amendment getting ratified, then of course, you know,
Speaker 6: the Federal Reserve being established, it was a bad year.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah, that's an understatement. That was a bad year.
Speaker 5: That's kind of when. Yeah, the creation of the Federal
Speaker 5: Reserve is kind of why. I trace the when when
Speaker 5: our country really officially came under the thumb of the
Speaker 5: New World Order whatever you want to call it, you know,
Speaker 5: the globalist regime.
Speaker 6: So yeah, and I don't remember if it was this
Speaker 6: podcast or the other one, somebody was talking saying that
Speaker 6: because you know, you had mentioned false flags, that the
Speaker 6: worst one was actually probably Fort Sumter because the Civil War,
Speaker 6: if you look at the country before and after one
Speaker 6: of the biggest things that we lost, what was our faith,
Speaker 6: The shift after the Civil War, you know, in reconstruction
Speaker 6: in late eighteen hundreds, how the world changed. It is
Speaker 6: quite interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. And then you just you know, you
Speaker 5: keep you keep studying events that that happened after that,
Speaker 5: you know, fed a reserve. Then you move on into
Speaker 5: you know, World War One, the communist rise of communism,
Speaker 5: even World War Two. I know it's a you know,
Speaker 5: very controversial subject to question things that happen in World
Speaker 5: War Two, but I think it was a recent guest
Speaker 5: you had on pointed out that we're not allowed to,
Speaker 5: you know, question the official Holocaust narrative and different things
Speaker 5: that happened. We're not told about the atrocities that were
Speaker 5: committed against German civilians, you know, the firebombing of Dresden.
Speaker 5: There's just so many things, you know that the narrative
Speaker 5: just has so many holes in it, you know, that
Speaker 5: don't add up. And I think it's important to look
Speaker 5: into that because there's a reason why the world's in
Speaker 5: the state attend this didn't just happen, and it didn't
Speaker 5: just happen overnight. These things have been the result of
Speaker 5: years and years, generations now, multiple generations of lies, false flags,
Speaker 5: and great evil. It's been perpetrated on humanity. So I
Speaker 5: just encourage people to to really dig deeper, do your
Speaker 5: own research. Don't use Google or YouTube primarily. There's I
Speaker 5: use yandex That's that's what I use for my search
Speaker 5: engine now, I like, yeah, absolutely, So, you know, there's
Speaker 5: just so many things. But you know, you look at
Speaker 5: you know, again going back to going back to the
Speaker 5: desionist issue and dispensationalism. You know, we're told that, you know,
Speaker 5: you hear from politicians all the time, Trump and different
Speaker 5: people it's like Israel is the greatest ally and all
Speaker 5: this and that's a lie too. Everything. I mean you
Speaker 5: look at just take the USS liberty attack. Who even
Speaker 5: you know, who, who even knows about the USS liberty.
Speaker 6: I was even writing that word down when you mentioned it,
Speaker 6: so I remember to mention it when you were done talking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And there's just so many things, I mean,
Speaker 5: think about, and then even from the you know, the
Speaker 5: theological perspective of so many in the church thinking well,
Speaker 5: we have to bless Israel so that we're blessed. Well,
Speaker 5: just honestly, look at history and you can't honestly tell
Speaker 5: me that since nineteen forty eight, and really before that,
Speaker 5: but since nineteen forty eight and since we've supported this
Speaker 5: secular state of Israel, that we've been blessed, we haven't.
Speaker 5: It's been the exact opposite. We've been cursed in every way,
Speaker 5: in the way that the Bible talks about in the
Speaker 5: Old Testament. We have we've had endless wars, we're in debt,
Speaker 5: our economy, we're under debt, slavery, and then worst of all,
Speaker 5: of course, is all of the moral degeneracy that we
Speaker 5: see all around us. And so I just encourage people.
Speaker 5: You know, I know this, The truth hurts sometimes, and
Speaker 5: it's really you know, it's controversial, but like I said,
Speaker 5: I pray every day for the courage and the patience
Speaker 5: to share it with people, because it's you know, if
Speaker 5: we're truly loving, we truly love people, we won't be
Speaker 5: afraid to share the truth even when it hurts. And
Speaker 5: I think, you know, as a as a church, and
Speaker 5: really as a world, we need to to wake up
Speaker 5: from these lies. We can't keep living a lie. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just like in your personal life, if you're if
Speaker 5: you keep living a lie. You're going to eventually it's
Speaker 5: going to destroy you. It's going to destroy your relationships
Speaker 5: with others. So I just encourage people, you know, to
Speaker 5: look to look at these things. I have a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of links and stuff, two different things
Speaker 5: I thought about. I thought about sharing them, but if
Speaker 5: you want to include them in the show notes later,
Speaker 5: we can do that. But there's just yeah, So that's
Speaker 5: what at the end of the day. I want people
Speaker 5: to really do their own research and realize that, you know,
Speaker 5: it's okay to question the official narratives about.
Speaker 6: Things, absolutely, and feel free to email me those links
Speaker 6: and I'll put them in the show notes so people
Speaker 6: can do their research.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, for those who maybe have never
Speaker 6: heard of the USS Liberty Incident, please go back and
Speaker 6: research it.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 6: I interviewed two of the survivors back in I think
Speaker 6: June of twenty twenty one, and you can still hear
Speaker 6: the anger and the wrenching of their hearts for their
Speaker 6: lost shipmates. And again that was fifty eight years ago,
Speaker 6: and they said, listen, we had our flag up. You know,
Speaker 6: whatever the history books say.
Speaker 3: He said, we had our flag up.
Speaker 6: They called I think Fifth Fleet and they were told
Speaker 6: to turn around by LBJ. They wanted that ship sunk
Speaker 6: and we would be living in an even different world
Speaker 6: if that boat went down.
Speaker 5: Oh, you're absolutely right. Yeah. When I first heard that
Speaker 5: their story I think was actually on your show that
Speaker 5: I first heard about it. Wow. Yeah, I got really emotional,
Speaker 5: rose up. I mean, that was that was an act
Speaker 5: of war. And then you know the way LBJ stabbed
Speaker 5: him in the back. I mean, I just you know,
Speaker 5: I think you know, your own president, you know, orders
Speaker 5: the planes back, and we had you know, thirty four
Speaker 5: servicemen killed, I believe in yeah, one hundred and yeah,
Speaker 5: it's about one hundred and seventy wounded, I believe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And yeah yeah, So I mean just the double standard.
Speaker 5: You know, if that was any other country, you know,
Speaker 5: it would have been an act of war.
Speaker 6: But and just giving a guy his Medal of Honor
Speaker 6: in a private ceremony in a shipyard in Baltimore, where
Speaker 6: every other individual who's ever got in the meddal of
Speaker 6: Honor got to go to the White House and was
Speaker 6: on TV and everything else.
Speaker 3: That's not low key. They wanted to keep it.
Speaker 5: Yep, absolutely and yeah, what when.
Speaker 6: You mentioned the I'll close with this and then we'll
Speaker 6: get into the flat earth from the biblical and scientific perspectives.
Speaker 6: Is your history books will will go on and on
Speaker 6: about the Third Reich, but they won't mention what brought
Speaker 6: about it. They'll you'll never good luck finding a history
Speaker 6: book that really is well read about why mare Germany
Speaker 6: and what led to? You know, as they say, one
Speaker 6: extreme brings another and they say, oh, they were burning books.
Speaker 6: You know they were burning they were burning pornography books
Speaker 6: is what they were burning.
Speaker 5: Exactly, Yes, exactly. I'm glad you mentioned that because that
Speaker 5: was that was in my notes. Yeah, ymar Germany is
Speaker 5: what we're living in. This is ymar Germany two point zero.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, let's yeah. If people don't know that, they
Speaker 5: need to research that.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and lead into in our final thirty minutes,
Speaker 6: the flat earth from a biblical and scientific perspective.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, So it's okay. Can I go ahead and
Speaker 5: give my silver bullets?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Okay. So I actually have seven, and so I have
Speaker 5: a seven chambered revolver, I guess. But the reason I
Speaker 5: have seven because I like seven. It's a biblical number.
Speaker 5: It's just but anyway, starting with I'm going to start
Speaker 5: with number seven and work my way up because I'll
Speaker 5: so I believe the scriptural witness is number one. But
Speaker 5: so the first thing is ancient cosmologies. Now I picked
Speaker 5: that one because it's something that people do talk about.
Speaker 5: I don't hear it talked about enough, but I think
Speaker 5: it's it's worth mentioning because ancient cosmologies, and here I'm
Speaker 5: referring not just to biblical cosmology, but ancient cosmologies like Greek, Norse, Egyptian,
Speaker 5: all the ancient cosmologies that pre date any idea even
Speaker 5: of the Greeks, of their being, of possibly the Sun
Speaker 5: being in the center, or the Earth movie any of that.
Speaker 5: The ancient cosmologies all taught a flat earth, a flat
Speaker 5: plane of some kind. You know, they differed in there
Speaker 5: and how they perceived it and how they represented it.
Speaker 5: But really, you know, you have all these ancient cosmologies
Speaker 5: that agree on the basic structure of the universe, you know,
Speaker 5: a relatively flat earth with some of them. Saw the
Speaker 5: old Norse legends talk about there being like this outer
Speaker 5: ocean that goes around the whole Earth, and you know,
Speaker 5: the firmament, dome and everything like that. And the early
Speaker 5: Greeks actually were flat earthers, you know, because this is
Speaker 5: one of the misconceptions people say, well, even the Greeks,
Speaker 5: the world wasn't flat. That's not true. Now, there were
Speaker 5: after Socrates and then you have you know, Aristotle and
Speaker 5: then Phosphors like Aratosenes and others that you know, then
Speaker 5: they began to you know, develop a spherical earth model.
Speaker 5: But the pre Socratic Greeks, the earliest Greeks were clearly
Speaker 5: flat earthers. The earliest Greek poets, like Homer, they conceived
Speaker 5: the earth is relatively flat, like a shield with the
Speaker 5: river Oceanus around its rim. And again, like I mentioned,
Speaker 5: the ancient Norse legends, there's a respect in Norwegian historian
Speaker 5: James Rudolph Kaiser in eighteen fifty four he said, the earth,
Speaker 5: as the Norse imagined, it was a flat line disc.
Speaker 5: And you find this in every ancient cosmology, not just Biblical.
Speaker 5: And so again the Biblical cosmology is as a Christian,
Speaker 5: that's my you know, the number one. But you know,
Speaker 5: I think these ancient cosmologies land a lot of evidence
Speaker 5: that this was a truth that was known because you
Speaker 5: have all these different ancient civilizations in different all different
Speaker 5: parts of the world, different world views on other things,
Speaker 5: but they all agree on the basic shape of the earth.
Speaker 5: And that's pretty powerful and that's pretty you know it
Speaker 5: goes that's also like the flood legends. They all have
Speaker 5: ancient flood legends, and that that points back to something
Speaker 5: real that happened. You know that that the odds of everybody,
Speaker 5: all these civilizations coming to the same conclusion about something
Speaker 5: is is pretty slim to say that was just by chance.
Speaker 5: And so that's that's number seven. And then moving up
Speaker 5: to list number six, I guess it would be airplane flights.
Speaker 5: Now I know that there. I read the book on
Speaker 5: the emergency. I think it's sixteen emergent to see fight
Speaker 5: fight landing is by is it Eddie Allen Carr?
Speaker 3: I think he's flat or what is it called banjo flight?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a really cool book. I really love that.
Speaker 5: And I will have to say I think some of
Speaker 5: those fights you can you can make a case that
Speaker 5: they could theoretically work on the globe, but some of
Speaker 5: them you can't. And it's pretty clear when you study it.
Speaker 5: And one thing that I did on my own that
Speaker 5: I thought was interesting. I haven't done this in a while,
Speaker 5: but you can get on fight Radar twenty four and
Speaker 5: you can watch like the replay of the flights. And
Speaker 5: one time I watched a replay of a fight from
Speaker 5: that you know, attracts the flight path from Santiago, Chile
Speaker 5: to Sydney, Australia, and I noticed that during the replay,
Speaker 5: the plane it kind of seemed to go off of
Speaker 5: the like it kind of went missing. It didn't really
Speaker 5: go missing on the screen, but like the data that
Speaker 5: it was giving for like the altitude and the speed
Speaker 5: and everything, it went blank. And then the plane on
Speaker 5: the screen, you know, the little blunt plane symbol on
Speaker 5: the screen. It just kind of shot across really fast,
Speaker 5: across the ocean and got to a certain point and
Speaker 5: then the data picked up on the screen, and I
Speaker 5: just thought that was really odd. I just never seen
Speaker 5: that before. So I know that we've been lied to
Speaker 5: a lot about the obviously the Southern Lambs, you know,
Speaker 5: what's really down there, and so you know, I just
Speaker 5: think that's interesting. So the flight Paz that that would
Speaker 5: be number six, and then number five is the fact
Speaker 5: that we don't have the freedom to we don't we
Speaker 5: can't fully explore Antarctica. I mean, that's a that's a
Speaker 5: huge one right there. And apparently not the North Pole either.
Speaker 5: I haven't looked a whole lot into that, but I
Speaker 5: don't think that you can go up to the North
Speaker 5: Pole either and export. So that's a huge red flag.
Speaker 5: The fact that you have all these nations, you know,
Speaker 5: I think it was nineteen it was late nineteen fifties,
Speaker 5: and they signed the Antarctica Treaty, and you have all
Speaker 5: these nations that you know, usually are fighting each other then,
Speaker 5: but then they all agree that we got to keep
Speaker 5: we got to keep our citizens away from Antarctica. It's like, okay,
Speaker 5: what's going on? So that's number five. Number four would
Speaker 5: just be the unsolved problems in physics, and that's just
Speaker 5: kind of a general category them throwing out there is
Speaker 5: a whole lot, you know, that's it's a whole rabbit
Speaker 5: hole in itself. But people, this goes back to what
Speaker 5: I was talking about at the beginning about the scientism.
Speaker 5: There's so many people that literally worship science and they
Speaker 5: don't realize that science, even modern science, has huge holes
Speaker 5: in its theories. You know, not only do they not
Speaker 5: know everything. They don't they know very little, and even
Speaker 5: they will admit it in moments of honesty, you know,
Speaker 5: because you've got the famous Neil deGrasse Tyson. He says,
Speaker 5: you know, gravity, what is it? We don't know what
Speaker 5: it is. You know, it's like, let's call it fred
Speaker 5: or I think he was referring to black matter there
Speaker 5: or something. But you know, there's so many holes in
Speaker 5: the theories. There's there's actually a multitude of observational evidence
Speaker 5: contrary to the assumptions of Einstein's theory of relativity. You
Speaker 5: have you know, of course, the Michaelson Morley experiment that
Speaker 5: was done that detected no motion of the Earth. You know,
Speaker 5: there's just so many things that could get into on that.
Speaker 5: But and I can send some some links. I can
Speaker 5: email you some links for that if people want to
Speaker 5: delve into that. But that would definitely be be number
Speaker 5: four for me. And then moving up to number three.
Speaker 5: We have no real pictures from space. I don't care
Speaker 5: what you know. NASA shows us. When you analyze the images,
Speaker 5: you can take it into photoshop and analyze a lot
Speaker 5: of pictures and they're demonstrably photoshopped. It was the guy
Speaker 5: in Nassi even a midst that they have to be photoshopped,
Speaker 5: you know, piece together, and that's why they use the
Speaker 5: term images because they're not real photographs. And you know,
Speaker 5: if we have all these satellites, we have these satellites,
Speaker 5: I think there's approximately six hundred satellites and that are
Speaker 5: supposedly high enough orbit where they could capture the whole
Speaker 5: Earth in one frame and one picture. So why don't
Speaker 5: we have We should have thousands and thousands of pictures
Speaker 5: from space. I mean, we have to think about it.
Speaker 5: We explore when they first were able to explore deep
Speaker 5: in the ocean, then you know, film and capture pictures
Speaker 5: in the ocean. We have thousands and thousands of pictures
Speaker 5: of you know, deep in the ocean and exploration. But
Speaker 5: in space, what do we have? We don't we and
Speaker 5: they're all fake. The ones supposedly that we do have,
Speaker 5: they're all faked. So that would be number three and
Speaker 5: then number two. Of course, there's no evidence for curvature.
Speaker 5: We can simply see too far. The fact that there's
Speaker 5: no curvature detected, that's a huge problem for the globe.
Speaker 5: And the fact that we have you know, the high
Speaker 5: altitude weather balloon footage when they're not using a wide
Speaker 5: angle fish high lens, it's clearly a flat horizon at
Speaker 5: like over one hundred thousand feet. And you know, often
Speaker 5: you'll hear the globe defenders invoke refraction and they say, well,
Speaker 5: it's just light refraction. Well, first of all, it's I think,
Speaker 5: if we're being honest, we are clearly seeing the objects
Speaker 5: themselves and not the refracted images. You know, I think
Speaker 5: that our eyes can tell the difference between actually the
Speaker 5: actual object and whether or not it's a refracted image.
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying. So it's like, excuse me,
Speaker 5: So I think there would be obvious distortion and the fact,
Speaker 5: you know, these distances are so huge that it's you know,
Speaker 5: and they're seeing these objects farther away than we're supposed
Speaker 5: to in all different types of conditions, different lighting conditions.
Speaker 5: And another thing that I just recently, just last week,
Speaker 5: that I discovered that I found this surveyor's manual and
Speaker 5: it actually says that commonly accepted standards and serve for
Speaker 5: surveying that to allow for a fraction only accounts for
Speaker 5: one seventh of the altitude of the objects observed, and
Speaker 5: so that means that in these long distance photography shots
Speaker 5: that there's still going to be a huge amount of
Speaker 5: missing curvature to explain all of those experiences or experiments.
Speaker 5: And so I think the simplest explanation for that, given
Speaker 5: Auckham's razor, that the simplest explanation is probably the right one.
Speaker 5: It's that we live on a level plane. So that
Speaker 5: would definitely be, you know, my number one scientific evidence.
Speaker 5: But then the scriptural witness is number one. And yeah,
Speaker 5: that you know, when I first started digging deep into
Speaker 5: scripture on this, that's what really sealed it for me.
Speaker 5: Like I said at the beginning, and before I go through,
Speaker 5: I don't have time to go through all the verses obviously,
Speaker 5: because there's I mean, there's dozens and dozens of passages.
Speaker 5: It's a preponderance of evidence in scripture. It's not just
Speaker 5: diverse just verse there. It's not like we're taking you know,
Speaker 5: this verse out of context and it's it's it couldn't
Speaker 5: be further from the truth to say that it's a
Speaker 5: preponderance of evidence from Genesis to revelation. Literally, the Bible
Speaker 5: is a fot earth book. And before I've mentioned some
Speaker 5: of these scriptures. I just like to say something about
Speaker 5: a commonly you hear this common objection that, well, it's
Speaker 5: just poetic language or it's just figurative language. Well here's
Speaker 5: the thing, So poetic language, it's not necessarily the figurative, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, I can use poetic language and be more
Speaker 5: scientist difically accurate than somebody who's talking more, you know,
Speaker 5: non poetically. I mean, if I say the wind is
Speaker 5: whistling through the trees, for instance, well, I'm kind of
Speaker 5: using poiic language there, but I'm it still means something, right,
Speaker 5: because the laws of logic still apply here. So I'm
Speaker 5: what I'm doing is I'm communicating that the wind is
Speaker 5: making a noise, right, So that would actually be more
Speaker 5: accurate than somebody says, oh, no, the wind doesn't make
Speaker 5: a noise. Well that's incorrect. So this whole idea that
Speaker 5: poetic language, you know, has to be figurative and that
Speaker 5: we have to interpret all figuratively, that's just not true.
Speaker 5: Some passages are taken figurative in the Bible, I believe,
Speaker 5: but context determines that, and you have to study the meaning,
Speaker 5: the original meanings of the words to really find what
Speaker 5: the what the scripture is saying, and so I like
Speaker 5: to go ahead and get into if we still have time,
Speaker 5: I like to go ahead and get into some of
Speaker 5: the scriptures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go right ahead. We still have about ten minutes left.
Speaker 5: It awesome, All right, I'll just run through this real
Speaker 5: quick and let's see if I can. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 5: So yeah, So starting with Genesis, I mean we see
Speaker 5: right away that first of all, the Earth is created
Speaker 5: before the sun, moon and stars. So right away we
Speaker 5: have a problem for the heliocentric model. And there's no
Speaker 5: hint in the passage that the Earth ever started moving
Speaker 5: or that it goes around the sun. The Earth is
Speaker 5: created first, and I think that right there is a
Speaker 5: big problem because you really have to argue from silence
Speaker 5: at that point. You know, when did the Earth start spinning?
Speaker 5: You know, there's no verse that says and you know,
Speaker 5: behold the Earth spindeth on its axis, you know, nicking
Speaker 5: James version. It's just the opposite.
Speaker 7: First you have Yeah, so you have that, and then
Speaker 7: of course the firmament Hebrew rakiya, which clearly.
Speaker 5: Solid is yeah, absolutely yeah. When you study that word,
Speaker 5: there's just no way around it. You know, you hear
Speaker 5: common objection is that, well, that just means an expanse. Well,
Speaker 5: even if you take it to me an expanse, it's
Speaker 5: an expanse of what. That's the question, and we don't
Speaker 5: have to guess about that. The word means something that's solid,
Speaker 5: is spread out. It actually got that's the root word
Speaker 5: for that, for that something that is firm, firm, momentum.
Speaker 5: And in confirmation of this, the Septuagen, which was the
Speaker 5: ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament, which actually is
Speaker 5: the oldest of translation of Old Testament we have. It
Speaker 5: dates back about three hundred years before Christ. The septuogen
Speaker 5: translators translated that word as stereoma, which means something solid
Speaker 5: again like a solid arch, something that's spread out. And
Speaker 5: so it's very clear from just the basic meaning of
Speaker 5: the word that we're not dealing with this vacuum of space.
Speaker 5: It's just the opposite. And that firment, it separates the
Speaker 5: water below from the waters above, right, and that when
Speaker 5: he created it, so we have waters below and we
Speaker 5: have waters above, and it has to be something firm
Speaker 5: and solid to all pold his waters above. And so
Speaker 5: moving on in Genesis, and of course we have the
Speaker 5: fact that God actually finished his work. And it says
Speaker 5: thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all
Speaker 5: the hosts of them. So, you know, another thing that
Speaker 5: needs to be refuted is this idea that's you know,
Speaker 5: they tell us that stars are being formed, the galaxies
Speaker 5: being formed. Now it says God finished the heavens and
Speaker 5: the earth and all the hosts of them. So his
Speaker 5: creative work is finished. And there you know, he created
Speaker 5: the stars, and there's there's no evidence from scripture that
Speaker 5: stars are being formed and all that. It's it's done.
Speaker 5: That It's not like when He created the animals he
Speaker 5: said be fruitful and multiply. He didn't say that to
Speaker 5: the stars. So and then just moving on, of course,
Speaker 5: you have the well known verses about the earth being
Speaker 5: established nations Psalm. Let me see if I can find
Speaker 5: so we have Psalm twenty four. He has founded it
Speaker 5: upon the seas and established it upon the rivers. And
Speaker 5: then Psalm one O four has established the world so
Speaker 5: that cannot be moved. And again I just ask, you know,
Speaker 5: just honestly, looking at the language used there, I mean,
Speaker 5: what other if God think about it this way? If
Speaker 5: God wanted to tell us that the earth didn't move,
Speaker 5: and that was established. What other language could he possibly
Speaker 5: have used. I think that's a very powerful argument, and
Speaker 5: to recognize it in the context specifically there Psalm one
Speaker 5: O four. It is talking about physical creation. And so
Speaker 5: if you're going to say, oh, well, that's just figurative language,
Speaker 5: then the rest of that song you have to say
Speaker 5: could be figurative language. And if you do that, then
Speaker 5: you have to doubt the whole creation narrative. And so
Speaker 5: that's a big problem. And so we've got all these,
Speaker 5: you know, so many verses. Just a few more before
Speaker 5: we run out of time. Another powerful group of texts
Speaker 5: from scripture are the ones that talk about the earth
Speaker 5: is being immeasurable Isaiah seven, verse ten. Again, the Lord
Speaker 5: spoke to a has asked a sign of lords, r God,
Speaker 5: let it be deep as shield are high as heaven.
Speaker 5: So here you have the depth of the earth compared
Speaker 5: to the height of heaven. How do you have that
Speaker 5: on a sphere? How do you have that on a
Speaker 5: spherical earth? You know you don't. In fact, you don't
Speaker 5: even have the concept of up and down in secular cosmology. Again,
Speaker 5: it's kind of a smack in the face to the
Speaker 5: Christian worldview, because it's like, yeah, up and down is
Speaker 5: all relative, just like good and evils all relative. So
Speaker 5: it goes right along with that. So we need we
Speaker 5: need to discard this way of thinking. The Bible clearly
Speaker 5: teaches that there's objective up and down. Jesus ascended up
Speaker 5: to heaven. He literally ascended up to heaven. If you
Speaker 5: don't have objective up and down, then that language makes
Speaker 5: no sense. There's also Jeremiah thirty one thirty seven where
Speaker 5: the Lord says, if the heavens above can be measured
Speaker 5: and the foundations of the earth below can be explored,
Speaker 5: then now we'll cast off all the offspring of Israel
Speaker 5: for all that they have done. So here again, the
Speaker 5: foundations of the earth below are just as vast as
Speaker 5: the heavens above, or at least they're just as they're
Speaker 5: so vast you can't explore them. Again, that just doesn't
Speaker 5: fit with this, you know, spherical earth as compared to
Speaker 5: this infinite space. And even in the New Testament, I'll
Speaker 5: go through this real quickly. Just in the New Testament,
Speaker 5: Paul talks about in Romans chapter eight that I'm sure
Speaker 5: that neither death nor life nor angels, nor rulers, nor
Speaker 5: things present or things to come, nor powers, nor height,
Speaker 5: nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be
Speaker 5: able to separate us from the love of God and
Speaker 5: Christ Jesus our Lord. So here and this is not
Speaker 5: a poetic figurative passage. This is literally saying there is
Speaker 5: height and there is depth, and he says anything else
Speaker 5: in all creation. So he's clearly talking about physical creation here.
Speaker 5: There is an objective up and down and God's word
Speaker 5: is very clear on that. And so this just barely
Speaker 5: scratches the surface of the biblical evidence. I could talk
Speaker 5: another hour and a half, two hours on this, because
Speaker 5: the Bible is literally a flat earth book from Genesis
Speaker 5: to Revelation, Old Testament and New Testament.
Speaker 3: And what was the verse? You said, Romans eight? What
Speaker 3: was the verse?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Romans eight thirty nine.
Speaker 3: Okay, there it is nor height, nor debt, nor any
Speaker 3: other creature.
Speaker 5: Gotcha, Yeah, Russari George, I know we're run out of time,
Speaker 5: but just real quick, because I think this scripture gets overlooked.
Speaker 5: Another letter of it's in one of Paul's letters in
Speaker 5: one Corinthians fifteen. It's in the context of talking about
Speaker 5: the resurrection. And he says there are heavenly bodies and
Speaker 5: earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of
Speaker 5: one kind, and the glory of the earth leaves of another.
Speaker 5: There is one glory of the sun, and another glory
Speaker 5: of the moon, and another glory of the stars. For
Speaker 5: star differs from star and glory. So here we see
Speaker 5: that the sun is not a star. The sun, the moon,
Speaker 5: and the stars they're put in their own separate categories
Speaker 5: by Paul in his passage, and they each have their
Speaker 5: own type of glory that we're there for another. In
Speaker 5: the Greek it means another kind, another type of glory.
Speaker 5: So that's another way we've been like to the sun
Speaker 5: is not a star. The stars are unique in their
Speaker 5: characteristics in the moon, in the sun. And so this again,
Speaker 5: this comes from the New Testament where Paul is talking
Speaker 5: about literal resurrection. This is not a figurative passage. And
Speaker 5: so once you realize this as Christians, we've got to
Speaker 5: interpret reality through God's word.
Speaker 6: Ay man, and you know, even going back into Genesis
Speaker 6: with the creation story, he clearly makes one greater light
Speaker 6: for the day and one lesser light for the evening,
Speaker 6: and These are lights, They're not rocks in the sky
Speaker 6: for us to land on. Let's go ahead and wrap
Speaker 6: it up. I have two questions I'm want to close with.
Speaker 6: The first one is how important is this topic?
Speaker 5: How important is it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: It is? It is really vital. And it's complicated though,
Speaker 5: because you know, like I said, people have been subjected
Speaker 5: to this mind control to where you know, they immediately
Speaker 5: associate the words flat earth with craziness. And so I
Speaker 5: think the way to break that down is, like you say, so, well,
Speaker 5: to give bread crumbs and just kind of start, maybe start,
Speaker 5: you know, bringing up some other topics that get people
Speaker 5: to question the narrative in other ways, and it kind
Speaker 5: of chips away at it. But you know, it's it's
Speaker 5: so vitally important because you know, people ask that, you know, well,
Speaker 5: why is what difference does it make with the earth? Is?
Speaker 5: You know what shape it is? Now some people will
Speaker 5: say that too, But it is vitally important first of all,
Speaker 5: because truth matters inherently. That this goes back to what
Speaker 5: I talked about the beginning. Intellectually, you know, reclaiming the
Speaker 5: intellect and the Christian faith. Truth matters. It is inherently
Speaker 5: good to affirm the truth. Affirming a lie is wrong
Speaker 5: and and and it's at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it's sinful. And of course not saying that people, you know,
Speaker 5: low believers are not are not saved, but it is
Speaker 5: a big lie, and it's not pleasing to the Lord
Speaker 5: that we're that we continue to believe it. And and
Speaker 5: it matters because the physical creation in some way manifests
Speaker 5: God's glory, and so it's vital that we we get
Speaker 5: the nature of that creation right because to the extent
Speaker 5: that we get it wrong, we are detracting from God's
Speaker 5: glory and we are representing that glory in the wrong way.
Speaker 5: And so that's why, that's why it matters, and we
Speaker 5: have to get this truth out there. And I said,
Speaker 5: maybe it's slowly for some people, and we use love
Speaker 5: and patience and doing that, but it's vital because this
Speaker 5: lie is keeping people from God. That's the number one reason.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of other reasons people give, you know,
Speaker 5: they I'm sure they're hiding other lands out there, hiding
Speaker 5: technologies from us, different things, but the number one reason
Speaker 5: is because it is hiding God from people. The globe,
Speaker 5: the heliocentric model, the Big Bang, it's hiding God and
Speaker 5: we need and that's why it's so important to get
Speaker 5: the truth out there.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 6: And finally, do you have any success stories of sharing
Speaker 6: flat earth biblical cosmology with others?
Speaker 5: I do, Yeah, but it's very it's been, it's been
Speaker 5: limited for now. It's you know, it's mostly about chipping
Speaker 5: away at the narrative in people's minds. And but it's
Speaker 5: it's it's slowly but surely catching on. I can, you know,
Speaker 5: I can sense it almost that people are you know,
Speaker 5: they're questioning a lot of things. And so I think
Speaker 5: the Lord is laying the groundwork for a mass awakening.
Speaker 5: I pray in our lifetimes to see that. And so yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't push it on people. I just you know,
Speaker 5: if it, if it comes up, I will share truth
Speaker 5: here or truth there, just to get people to question things.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's kind of a slow but steady
Speaker 5: process for me and sharing the truth.
Speaker 6: And man, and we thank you very much for your
Speaker 6: time and all the knowledge that you brought. Today was
Speaker 6: an outstanding ninety minutes of conversation and going through psychology
Speaker 6: and our history, is it true, is it false? Or
Speaker 6: timelines and your your perceptions on flat Earth. Just a
Speaker 6: great array of subjects and topics that we went over today.
Speaker 6: As always, we like to govern our guest the final words,
Speaker 6: so we'll leave it to you to close out the
Speaker 6: podcast today.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you George for this opportunity. Of all the
Speaker 5: tremendous work that you do for the Truth community, for
Speaker 5: the Body of Christ. We are in a tremendous spiritual
Speaker 5: battle and we really need to wake up and realize that.
Speaker 5: You know, we look around in the world. We see
Speaker 5: a lot of physical violence and war and things in
Speaker 5: the news, but underneath all of that is fundamentally a
Speaker 5: battle between good and evil, truth versus deception. That's what
Speaker 5: it's about. And ultimately, the weapons of our warfare are
Speaker 5: not carnal like it says in the scripture, but they
Speaker 5: are powerful for the tearing down of strongholds over people's minds,
Speaker 5: people's minds, arts and minds. That's the battlefield. And so
Speaker 5: to all my fellow truthers out there, I just want
Speaker 5: to encourage you keep up the good work you're doing
Speaker 5: and sharing these truths. It is vitally important, and we
Speaker 5: do need to also recognize that the most important truth
Speaker 5: of all is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We can
Speaker 5: have all the knowledge in the world about everything else,
Speaker 5: but if we don't have Christ, we are not justified
Speaker 5: before God. And that's what truly matters. So keep that
Speaker 5: as the central truth in your mind as you share
Speaker 5: these other truths, which are also vitally important, because the Gospel,
Speaker 5: as it transforms us, it will necessarily cause us to
Speaker 5: expose lies in other areas. And I just want to
Speaker 5: say too, if you're someone listening to this podcast and
Speaker 5: you haven't put your faith in Jesus Christ as your
Speaker 5: Lord and savior, I urge you, in light of everything
Speaker 5: that I've shared today, don't put it off. Because we're
Speaker 5: not guaranteed our next breath. Faith in Jesus Christ is
Speaker 5: the only way to truth and justice. All the other
Speaker 5: paths will ultimately lead to darkness and despair. And so
Speaker 5: I pray that God would have on his people in
Speaker 5: the days ahead and lead us into all truth, and
Speaker 5: that He would give us more wisdom, faith and courage
Speaker 5: in the days ahead. And Christ is King.
Speaker 6: Amen, Amen, and thanks again for your time. And something
Speaker 6: that really resonated with me. I heard a sermon this
Speaker 6: past Sunday by a local pastor and he also shared
Speaker 6: a sense of urgency that you know, we're not guaranteed
Speaker 6: another breath, We're not guaranteed tomorrow, and it's important that
Speaker 6: we share the gospel with you know, all of our
Speaker 6: free time, we should be concentrated on right learning the gospel,
Speaker 6: sharing the gospel, creating disciples because we that's one thing
Speaker 6: that I came to learn is I'll never be able
Speaker 6: to We can't save the world on our own, and
Speaker 6: that's where discipleship comes in. That creates a domino effect.
Speaker 6: Whether it's the gospel or you know, biblical cosmology. You
Speaker 6: impart knowledge on others and give them the courage to
Speaker 6: impart knowledge on others, and it creates a domino effect,
Speaker 6: and that's really how we succeed.
Speaker 5: Right, that's right. Amen.
Speaker 6: Amen again, thank you so much Matt for your time.
Speaker 6: If you'd like to reach out to Matt, his email
Speaker 6: address will be located in the show notes, as well
Speaker 6: as many of the things that we discussed today. God
Speaker 6: bless you all. I hope you have a tremendous week.
Speaker 6: Keep your head on a swivel, and until we meet again,
Speaker 6: my friends, we will see you.
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