WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:29.920 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.119 The question why. 4 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:35.880 The stories told? 5 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:43.159 And left behind in shadows where the truth we find. 6 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:51.200 They built their tails on grafts and lines on theories. 7 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.200 They stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:57.880 Put down here. 9 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:02.759 On this solid graph, the answer screen. 10 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:10.120 They're all round, rise and break through all. 11 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.560 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 12 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:19.680 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm 13 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:22.599 your host is always George Hobbes as we record on 14 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:27.280 this Wednesday morning, June fourth, twenty twenty five. Our guest 15 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.400 Matt is standing by. We'll have them on in just 16 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:34.040 a moment. Two quick reminders, please do check out our 17 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.159 new website, truthernet dot com. Also, if you would like 18 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.920 to join us, if you'd like to share your story 19 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:44.000 with the masses around the world, please send us an email. 20 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:49.400 It is FE filesguest at gmail dot com. Again, it 21 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:54.040 is FE filesguest at gmail dot com. At this point, 22 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:56.760 we're scheduling towards the end of July, so you'll have 23 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:03.719 plenty of time to get your story together and prepare 24 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:06.280 for the podcast. So please do feel free if if 25 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:09.280 you've been thinking about doing, so reach out. We'll get 26 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.800 you a questionnaire, very simple to fill out, and we'll 27 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:15.639 get your scheduled for later on this summer. And that's 28 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:17.840 all we have as far as housekeeping notes. Today, I 29 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:20.639 want to bring on today's guest. His name is Matt, 30 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:22.639 and again Matt, good morning. How are you sir? 31 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:24.400 I'm doing great. 32 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.240 How are you, George doing really well? Thank you for 33 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.080 joining us this morning, and as always, do take a 34 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:30.919 moment and introduce yourself to the audience. 35 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:34.879 Yeah, for sure. So, first of all, it's an honor 36 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.479 to be on the show. I really appreciate this opportunity. 37 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.240 My name is Matt. I'm first and foremost the follower 38 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.520 of Jesus Christ, seeking every day to live in accordance 39 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:48.599 with his word. I'm thirty four years old, born and 40 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.719 raised in a great state of Kentucky. I was bussed 41 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.199 to grow up in a Christian home where I was homeschooled, 42 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:58.120 and I was encouraged to thank for myself at an 43 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.879 early age and really to view life as a holistic 44 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.520 learning experience, not just something that you experience in the classroom. 45 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:12.120 I have an educational background in biology, psychology, and theology, 46 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.719 but I enjoy pursuing a wide varieuy of subject matter. 47 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:20.240 I just really love learning whatever it is, and that's 48 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.039 one of the reasons why I got into, you know, 49 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:28.120 researching the topics that we're going to talk about today. Currently, 50 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.520 I am employed in the construction field. I get to 51 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.639 do a lot of traveling, and so that gives me 52 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.080 a lot of time to listen to podcasts, to your show, 53 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.639 and in my spare time, I enjoy outdoor activities, running, hiking, 54 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:47.360 and camping, anything outdoors. I love to write music, and 55 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:50.919 I just I just love learning more about the true 56 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.879 nature of this created realm that we live in. And 57 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:56.080 I'd also like to give a big shout out to 58 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:01.159 my Flat Earth brothers, Mike and Charles. They were on 59 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:03.919 the show back on a couple of the earlier episodes, 60 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:06.680 and I've been really blessed to be able to connect 61 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.639 with them, and I'm just so thankful for this community 62 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.520 and just all the knowledge that is shared here. It's 63 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:13.199 a real blessing. 64 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:14.840 That was Mike and Charles. 65 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:19.360 You said, yes right on, that's awesome that I've heard 66 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:23.160 so many stories of people connecting with our guests from 67 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:27.480 previous episodes, and how the community is you know, it 68 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.199 can be a divisive community. 69 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:30.000 It truly can. 70 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.079 Some people don't like to have any differences in their beliefs. 71 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:34.839 But I really believe that. 72 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.759 Good outweighs the divisive, if you will. I have heard 73 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.040 so many great stories of people who have both in 74 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.240 their communities and in long distance, build relationships that have 75 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:50.040 helped them physically, mentally, but more importantly spiritually. 76 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.920 Absolutely. Yeah, it's so important to build the community. We 77 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:58.319 really need to realize that we have we have a 78 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.319 lot more in common than we have differences. At the 79 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.639 end of the day, and even on areas that we 80 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.959 disagree on, you know, we can we can agree to disagree, 81 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.800 and I think we can all agree in the Truth 82 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.319 community that that we definitely need we need more to 83 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.360 be more united, and that we need more humility, you know, 84 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.600 because we know one person that knows at all, we 85 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:26.279 all you know, God's bringing together people from all kinds 86 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:31.120 of different backgrounds and with different experiences and knowledge, and 87 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.759 it's you know, it's it's in working together that we 88 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:35.720 really make a difference. 89 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.600 Yeah, humility is something that I've been studying here in 90 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:46.319 this first semester. That is something that it's very difficult 91 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.399 to you know, as a man when it comes to 92 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:51.759 forgiveness and humility. I think all of us that's two 93 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:53.800 things that we really need to work on. And you 94 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:57.279 know your email Ephesian six eighteen, which talks about really 95 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.839 being in prayer all of the time, you know, keeping 96 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.920 it on your mind foremost. It's really it's similar to 97 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:06.759 being in the truth community. We kind of have to 98 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:10.800 rewire who how we were built originally. We don't have 99 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:15.319 to really have to change wholesale, but I think we 100 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:17.759 for myself. I don't want to speak for everybody else, 101 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.240 but I changed the way I used to learn things 102 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.639 and where I got my information from. Right, if it 103 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.839 came from a textbook, then I just it had to 104 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.160 be the gospel. But it turns out the Gospel is 105 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.399 really the only thing that is gospel in this day 106 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:41.480 and age. What do you you talked about the impact 107 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:44.439 of early schooling. If there was a if you were 108 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.360 able to create a curriculum in Kentucky, what would you 109 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:53.000 base education on and what would you do to support 110 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.680 critical thinking and research skills amongst the young minds. 111 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.319 You know, the Bible is number one, It's the foundation, 112 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:10.560 and I think one of the Uh, critical aspects of 113 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.560 education that we've really lost is learning how to think logically, 114 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:21.279 and that classical educational approach is really important and there's 115 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.120 no one size fits all educational approach and it's really 116 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.759 but but we've really lost the ability to to think 117 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:34.920 logically in analyzing arguments, you know, and just the basic 118 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.879 laws of logic and being able to recognize logical fallacies, 119 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:46.000 and we've really really lost that. I think getting back 120 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:52.079 to a more classical educational approach based on scripture, I 121 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:57.959 think would be really beneficial, and also just instilling a 122 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:03.600 lifestyle of learn, holistic learning approach for kids. Like I said, 123 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.120 just understanding that it's education isn't just in the classroom. 124 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:12.920 It's about applying that knowledge in the real world and 125 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:18.759 being able to really bring out each each student's unique 126 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.399 abilities and skills and gifts that God has given them. 127 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.199 So there's really there's no one size fits all, but 128 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:29.720 I would I would say that getting back to more 129 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:33.919 of a classical approach to education centered on on the Bible, 130 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.559 on a on a Christian worldview, and just instilling that 131 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.360 love for learning. That's that's so critical. 132 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.360 Well said, Amen, We're going to kind of break this 133 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:46.759 down we kind of emailed back and forth. We're going 134 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.759 to break down today's chat into three basic sections, and 135 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.559 you want to just start out first talking about psychological 136 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:59.159 issues and you know, as well as foundational spiritual spiritual issues. 137 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.399 So why don't you lead the charge on this? 138 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.919 Sure, thank you, George. And before I do that, I 139 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:10.000 would like to just share my testimony briefly, because that 140 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.919 does relate to a lot of things that talk about. 141 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.840 And like I said, I was raised in a Christian home, 142 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.799 but you know, growing up, I had not truly accepted 143 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:23.879 Christ for myself. You know, I'd personally appropriated to faith. 144 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.320 But when I was about seventeen, I was going through 145 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.639 some severe struggles with anxiety and depression. And I just 146 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.080 feel like I need to say, you know, if anyone 147 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:36.559 is out there struggling with anxiety and depression in particular 148 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:40.360 or whatever it is, you know, God he's merciful and 149 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.279 he's there for us, and we have only to turn 150 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:47.080 to Him and faith and Jesus is the answer. And 151 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.600 because I've been there, I was about as low as 152 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.879 you can get with anxiety and depression, feeling very broken, 153 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:58.559 overwhelmed by a sense of sin and failure. But I 154 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.759 found forgiveness and strengthen Jesus Christ. That is, that's the 155 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:06.600 most important thing. And just like with the Apostle Paul 156 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.159 when he was talking about his thorn in the flesh 157 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.519 and the Lord, the Lord said, my grace is made 158 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:18.120 perfect in weakness. And that's really been kind of a 159 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.559 theme for my life. And the Lord really showed me 160 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.600 how my salvation didn't depend on my own efforts and 161 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:29.879 works or my feelings. You know, I'm a feeling at 162 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:33.480 the time. You know, works and feelings can be good things, 163 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.279 but they can also lead us astray. So we need 164 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.080 to really make sure that we're grounded on the on 165 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:44.879 the solid rock of Christ and the salvation by grace alone, 166 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:49.440 through faith alone. And then after I was saved, after 167 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.440 I was born again, the Lord just started to reveal 168 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:55.320 a lot of truth to me, and I began to 169 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:59.960 realize that the world is not at all what is 170 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.799 presented to us, as we've been lying to about a 171 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.840 lot of things. And looking back, I can see even 172 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.720 when I was, when I was a child, you know, 173 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:13.440 I would I would ask a lot of questions. I would, 174 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:17.000 you know, I would think it was funny, you know 175 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.559 how they said that we're spinning really fast, a one 176 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:21.960 thousand miles per hour on the Earth, and yet it 177 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.159 didn't you know, it didn't feel right. But I thought, well, 178 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.000 I guess you know, they're the experts, you know what 179 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.480 they're talking about. You know. I even had I remember 180 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.360 when I was a kid when I first looked through 181 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.840 a telescope and I saw the stars the way they 182 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:36.639 really are, and I thought, you know, that doesn't really 183 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.919 look like the cartoons that were shown by NASA. But 184 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.240 you know, at the time, I thought, well, you know, 185 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.600 that's what all the adults tell me, is this way, 186 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.600 So I guess it is. But you know, looking back, 187 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:51.720 I can see how God was already kind of priming me, 188 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.799 as it were, uh before, for the truth that he 189 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.440 was going to show me later on and around I 190 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:04.440 guess it was twenty sixteen, I started to look into 191 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:08.320 some of these things, moon landing JFK nine to eleven. 192 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.759 I even came across some information on flat Earth. At 193 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:17.360 that point, I didn't actually, honestly, I didn't dismiss it 194 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.879 out of hand. I just kind of kept it in 195 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.879 the back of my mind, kind of like for future reference. 196 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:26.879 It was. I was skeptical, but I think it was 197 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:30.080 it was more that I didn't have a lot of 198 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.240 time because I was focused on the other other issues, 199 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.720 and I thought, well, that's an interesting time. But I 200 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.720 don't know about that. But you know, I can see 201 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:42.399 again how the Lord was preparing me for this truth, 202 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:49.200 specifically the flat Earth truth of biblical cosmology. And so yeah, 203 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.279 and then after COVID, of course, like with most people, 204 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:58.000 after witnessing the world governments and Lockstep pushing this lethal 205 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.960 bio weapon on the population, and just how everything that 206 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.399 was done was how totally evil and satanic it was, 207 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:09.639 then my mind really was opened. And then it was 208 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.639 about that time I started listening to your show The 209 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:16.960 Fact Hunter, and that just really the Lord really used 210 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.159 that to confirm so many things that I was researching 211 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.480 and really helped to inspire me to keep going on 212 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:27.639 the research. And then one day, I don't remember exactly 213 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:32.799 what it was, but I was looking on Spotify and 214 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.120 the Flat Earth Files just happened to come up. You know, 215 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.200 I know it was providential, but it seemed like it 216 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:38.919 just happened to come up this side of the Blue 217 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:42.120 and as a recommended show. And I've heard that from 218 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.279 other people too, And so since I was aware of 219 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.600 flot Earth before. I didn't think it was silly or anything, 220 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.759 but I still was kind of like, I don't know. 221 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.960 But then after listening to the first few episodes, just 222 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.120 the way you presented the information, as they say, the 223 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.320 rest is history. I started doing my own recent search 224 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.639 and really digging deep into scripture on this topic. And 225 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:07.879 that's what really sealed it for me, because I when 226 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:10.440 i'm am convinced that the Bible teaches something and I 227 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:14.159 that's when I know it's true. And so, you know, 228 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:16.879 like you, I couldn't sleep for literally two weeks. It was. 229 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.759 It's funny, it's like that same timeframe. So two weeks 230 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.399 I'm like, oh my goodness, I can't believe we've been 231 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:27.320 lied to like this. And then I'll never forget the moment. 232 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.639 I was driving to work early one morning. It was 233 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:33.600 still dark, and I looked up and saw the moon, 234 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.919 and I just remember thinking that the moon, it's not 235 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.080 this dusty rock, you know, two hundred and forty thousand 236 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.440 miles or so away. They tell us, it's right there 237 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.720 in the farmament. It's part of a perfect skycalk with 238 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:47.960 the sun and stars, and God is right there Bubba's 239 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.000 looking down on the circle of the Earth. We're not 240 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:53.639 randomly spinning and wobbling and falling through this endless vacuum. 241 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:57.879 We're especially created on the on this flat, stationary earth, 242 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.720 with a divinely ordained existence, care for the creation and 243 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:06.519 glorified God and Savior. That's I wasn't thinking all those 244 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.759 words right then, but that's that's that describes my motion 245 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.360 at that moment. And I actually almost had to I 246 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:15.039 almost had to pull off the side of the road 247 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:16.840 and just stop. I was getting so emotional, was like, 248 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:21.399 this is this is true, and it's and just realizing 249 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.080 how much it was already beginning to strengthen my face. 250 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.240 It's incredible. And so I'm just so thankful for that 251 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.960 and for God's work and using your show and and 252 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.679 other other things that have brought me to this truth. 253 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:37.480 This truth. 254 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:43.120 Well that that's an awesome testimony and it's I'm sure 255 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.679 it resonates with a lot of people. For me, and 256 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.399 I'm sure it's similar to you if you came on 257 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.240 the Fact Hunter first. And I know we're going to 258 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.919 get into this in a little bit with so for 259 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:57.799 me nine to eleven, when I finally you know, went 260 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.279 down the rabbit hole and figured out the truth about that. 261 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:07.080 I felt that is a betrayal. But when you know 262 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.240 it hit me with you know, flat earth, I just 263 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.399 felt duped. I was kind of disappointed in myself because 264 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.080 I've always considered I'd never considered myself the smartest guy 265 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.360 in the room, but I always considered myself someone who 266 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:25.240 was who had the ability to let's say, I can 267 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.960 generally tell the moral compass of a person just having 268 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.440 a brief conversation with them, whether I can sense usually 269 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:35.519 if they're generally good, or maybe you know, have a 270 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:37.879 few warning signs when you when you speak with someone. 271 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.559 I was completely fooled. It was one of those things, 272 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:46.080 even when I was well into my you know, search 273 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.240 for the truth overall, in general, I would continue to 274 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.320 kick the can down the road. Anytime it came up, 275 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.639 I'd pull out my Captain America's shield and bounce it 276 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.879 off and keep looking down. And what I didn't realize 277 00:16:57.919 --> 00:16:59.919 was how important that rabbit hole was. Because what it 278 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:05.799 did is I stopped refusing to look at no matter 279 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.400 how ridiculous something seemed, I'd at least take a moment 280 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.480 or two to look into it now and That's very 281 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.559 important because some things that I considered, like flat Earth 282 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.240 just to be ridiculous. I would not even look into it. 283 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.480 And then you're like, my goodness, Then you understand that 284 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.960 everything on Earth, not very little is organic. Outside of 285 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.839 what you do in your home, everything that you see 286 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.160 on the TV, that comes through music, all of that 287 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:34.720 is is not organic. And is it's it's really the 288 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.759 Truman Show we're living in absolutely. 289 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:40.920 Yeah. I actually I need to watch that whole movie. 290 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:42.519 I still haven't watched the whole movie. I need to 291 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.200 watch that. And I've seen what is it they Live 292 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:52.119 and the Matrix. I haven't seen the Truman Show yet. 293 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.680 I need to need to watch that for sure. But yeah, 294 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.000 but really, you know, getting back to some of these foundations, 295 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.799 no issues on some of the I'd like to move 296 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.599 into talking about some of the intellectual and psychological issues 297 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:14.880 that are foundational understanding what's going on. So everyone has 298 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:19.119 a worldview. It's a way of looking at and interpreting 299 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.039 the world. Whether you realize it or not, we all 300 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:26.960 have a worldview, and everybody bio logical necessity. We have 301 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:31.200 a lot of times in philosophy it's called an axiom 302 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:35.599 or first principle by which you interpret the world. It's 303 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:38.839 like the glasses that you use to view the world, 304 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:43.039 the lens by what you see everything. And some people 305 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.799 you know may claim they have no prior assumptions, they 306 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.640 just interpret the world purely based on evidence, you know, 307 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:52.559 you know, by what they see. But this is this 308 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.160 is actually not true. And the proof of this is 309 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.880 seeming the fact that everybody has different interpretations of the evidence. 310 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:05.480 If the evidence was the ultimate reason why people come 311 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:09.640 to a certain truth and everybody should agree. This is why, 312 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.880 for instance, so many people can't seem to accept the 313 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:17.119 clear evidence for all of these so called conspiracy theories 314 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:20.960 and things, because they have these a priori axioms by 315 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:24.839 which they're interpreting the world. And so people have been 316 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.799 trained to automatically when they hear a quote unquote conspiracy 317 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:32.720 theory that oh, that's just crazy, that's some you know, 318 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.759 in that job on the internet. Whatever. And I'll get 319 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.480 more into more of the psychology of this later, but 320 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:42.559 at the end of the day, every worldview has to 321 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:46.440 answer certain key questions, and I'm not going to go 322 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.880 into all of them until the you know, philosophy gets 323 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:53.079 to tedious and I don't want to take the time 324 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:57.519 with that, but I think it is important to understand 325 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:01.359 what truly constitutes knowledge in the ultimate sense, like in 326 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.480 a philosophical sense. And we live in an age where 327 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.480 everything you know. People want to view things as being 328 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.039 relative and say, oh wow, there's no you know, no 329 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.759 such thing as absolute truth. And the problem with that 330 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:19.119 is it's self refuting because the very statement that there 331 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.160 is no absolute truth is in itself a knowledge claim. 332 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:25.759 You're claiming to know that there is no truth, or 333 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.799 you're claiming to know that you don't know something. So 334 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:33.799 it's really self refuting to deny the existence of absolute truth. 335 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:38.079 So we know that truth exists, and we know that 336 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:40.519 the knowledge of the truth has to exist because it's 337 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:46.400 helf refuting to deny that. But in philosophy, in understanding 338 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:49.839 what knowledge is in an ultimate sense, I would define 339 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.480 knowledge as justified true belief. And so I promise to 340 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:55.640 bring this full circle back to and relate it to 341 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.079 the to the truth or world here, because it's very relevant. 342 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:05.119 So I may have a belief about something that is true, 343 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:08.519 but it may not be justified. So for instance, even 344 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:11.119 I'll use an example of viewing something that you know 345 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.599 seems like something very obvious and very easy to prove. 346 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.559 You know that my name, for instance, my name is Matt. 347 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:21.000 But is this belief justified? And at one level it is, 348 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:24.240 But in an ultimate sense, unless a certain belief is 349 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:28.160 guaranteed to exclude error, it can't be considered justified an 350 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.279 ultimate philosophical sense. So I may believe that my name 351 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.119 is Matt, and I might be able to justify to 352 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.359 a certain degree. I could show you know, I could 353 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.519 show you my ID, I could you know, different different 354 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:43.079 proofs that I could produce. But at the end of 355 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.119 the day, those things, since they're not a divine revelation, 356 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.400 it's it's subject to error. And so this has relevance 357 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.799 to the conspiracy world because there's so many things that 358 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:58.000 we're told about the world, historical events, false narratives, and 359 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.680 this is you know, like like the Mandela effect for instance. 360 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.160 It's a good example of how you can have a 361 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.079 belief that can feel so true and so real, but 362 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.240 in reality it's actually a false perception or a false memory. 363 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.759 And so the bottom line is that only beliefs that 364 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:20.640 are justified in an ultimate sense are only the only 365 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:24.480 beliefs that count as ultimate knowledge. Are those that come 366 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.599 from divine revelation. And so that's why it's important that 367 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:31.680 we base our worldview on divine revelation, as God has 368 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:35.200 revealed it into scriptures. And once we have that, then 369 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.720 we're able to interpret the evidence properly. We're able to 370 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.680 interpret historical events properly. God then gives us the ability 371 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.319 to interpret his creation the way it needs to be. 372 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:50.359 But until we have that foundation and the proper set 373 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.480 of presuppositions, we won't be able to do that. And 374 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.640 so I just wanted to make that very clear that 375 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:01.799 and also that relates to how we should science as Christians, 376 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.599 because we have good there's good science, there's true science. 377 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:09.240 The word science actually comes from I believe it's a 378 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.799 Latin word that simply means knowledge, and so science is 379 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.920 good in that sense. But science, at the end of 380 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.839 the day, it's a tool that God has given us 381 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:23.519 to use in the world to help to to be 382 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:27.400 good stewards of His creation, and it's but at the 383 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.720 end of the day, science is not the ultimate arbiter 384 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:34.240 of truth. In fact, a lot of times it actually 385 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:39.359 leads us astray, and so we don't want to worship science. 386 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:43.559 Science has become the scientism, this its own religion in 387 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:46.599 the modern world. And so that's something that we need 388 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:51.319 to really focus on, I believe as Christians is regaining 389 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.359 a proper understanding of our faith in the intellectual sense 390 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.960 and not be afraid of that. That Christian faith is 391 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.640 is a robust intellectual worldview. In fact, it is it 392 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:08.160 is rationality itself Jesus Christ in John chapter one. He 393 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:12.400 is the log ass, he is the He is the 394 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:16.759 principle of reason and rationality that upholds all things. He's 395 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.960 not just an abstract principle. He's a person also. But 396 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:26.519 it's we really need to combat this anti intellectual spirit 397 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.519 that has pervaded the church for so long. It's very 398 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.920 it's weak in the church church, and it's I think 399 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:37.039 it's made a lot of Christians intimidated by, you know, secular, 400 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:41.720 atheistic worldviews. But when we recognize that, you know, there's 401 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:46.880