Speaker 1: You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 2: So stay with us.
Speaker 1: I Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking
Speaker 1: to the Vogel Brothers today. We've got Tim and Eric here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do just a little intro for them here.
Speaker 1: They're kind enough to provide some infos, so you know
Speaker 1: the Vogel Brothers. I've been researching Bigfoot encounters, experiences, and
Speaker 1: reports since twenty fifteen. They've done investigations and expeditions for
Speaker 1: things like the BFROO and squatchets Husetts. They currently run
Speaker 1: the Cobble and Critter Project, and they also provide the
Speaker 1: Let's Talk Bigfoot Talk presentations. As a fundraiser for youth
Speaker 1: outdoor education, which is really cool. Well, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: How's it going today.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well, doing well. I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 2: Beautiful day.
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, And just for the just for the listener's sake,
Speaker 1: do you mind introducing yourselves separately so they can get
Speaker 1: to know your voices before we start chatting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Tim, I'm Eric. All right. You know, we
Speaker 2: got into this, I don't know. We we We've been
Speaker 2: out in the outdoors all of our life, so that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's what kept us involved. So part of
Speaker 2: our thing is is hanging, is being in the woods,
Speaker 2: and we grew up that way, so that just kept
Speaker 2: us involved.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit about I love it. And guys,
Speaker 1: what was it that first got you into the big
Speaker 1: foot subject out there in Massachusetts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we were teenagers and back in the seventies,
Speaker 2: seventy six actually, and we went to see the movie
Speaker 2: Sasquatched the Bigfoot and it was in Agua. It was
Speaker 2: over in the next town away from us, and it
Speaker 2: was it was in December or November, it was, and
Speaker 2: the November December is in the middle of the winter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're shoveling or snow. Yes. Anyways, this thing here was
Speaker 2: out in Agua at the Twin Cinemas and we hiked
Speaker 2: if you know the area we walked and color a hike.
Speaker 2: It was from west Side to Agua Mile and it
Speaker 2: was sasquatched the legend of Bigfoot, and it was back
Speaker 2: in seventy six. And that's how we got introduced to it.
Speaker 2: You know, it was something new to us in the
Speaker 2: Boy Scouts, like Eric was saying, and grew up in
Speaker 2: the woods and this thing was new to us, so
Speaker 2: it was kind of weird. It was different. And you know,
Speaker 2: you grew up thinking one way and you heard all
Speaker 2: the you know, animals and you heard about them all
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they throw this thing out
Speaker 2: there and say what you know, come see this, and
Speaker 2: you know it was bigfoot. What the heck is a bigfoot?
Speaker 2: You know? So we did went were checked it out
Speaker 2: and that was kind of how we got into It
Speaker 2: was always a West coast thing was never here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that was absolutely wild to us. It turned into
Speaker 2: a you know, a bigger deal than just going to
Speaker 2: the movies. That ended up being you know, a few
Speaker 2: weeks later there was tracks in our backyard and throughout
Speaker 2: the town in West Springfield and into Aguam up the
Speaker 2: Westield River railroad tracks and whatnot. And the tracks themselves
Speaker 2: went for probably a few miles, you know, crossing the
Speaker 2: river on ice up the railroad tracks into our back
Speaker 2: which is an apple orchard in a book, goes back
Speaker 2: to the Westfield River on near Midnight Park. And we
Speaker 2: could go as far as the park that or the river,
Speaker 2: as far as the road was here. Yeah, we were
Speaker 2: just young and once dad said that was it, that
Speaker 2: was it. So you're just following the tracks. But the
Speaker 2: tracks were out there, and that that's what kept us.
Speaker 2: That's what kept us interest. And then the media got
Speaker 2: involved and the police got involved, and it became a
Speaker 2: hole to do because all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: we've got these ginormous tracks in our yard and it
Speaker 2: became a news media show. It was interesting. You can
Speaker 2: actually look it up. Yeah, it's in one of you know,
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy six A Bigfoot. Yeah it's out there,
Speaker 2: and it's it's out there.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you guys just came up just a
Speaker 1: few days ago on the show. There is an individual
Speaker 1: that had a sighting in two thousand and eight and Agam,
Speaker 1: which is kind of the same area, right, And they
Speaker 1: brought up you which that situation you just refer or to,
Speaker 1: which I believe was in Robinson State Park, correct. I
Speaker 1: think I found the newspaper for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, it was almost that's it. We're on
Speaker 2: the opposite side of the river of Rabbitson State Park,
Speaker 2: on the other side of the dam. So it literally
Speaker 2: came up the railroad tracks, walked through our backyard, and
Speaker 2: then it went down the river and back across into
Speaker 2: Robinson State Park. So yeah, that that guy's got that story, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting. How how what were the size
Speaker 1: of these tracks do you remember?
Speaker 2: Geez? I want to say twenty inches between I think
Speaker 2: I was twenty hands. I ago seventeen to twenty inches.
Speaker 2: And there was there was a lot of snow. It's
Speaker 2: deep snow too. Yeah, it had just snow, so the
Speaker 2: snow was soft and it was deep. Yeah, this guy
Speaker 2: had to work out. I mean, it was a if
Speaker 2: you're a snowshooter and you did the walk that he did,
Speaker 2: it was a heck of a hike. It was a
Speaker 2: heck of a hike. That was incredible. Absolutely did ended
Speaker 2: up turning to be a hoax. It turned out to
Speaker 2: be one of the local Yeah, yeah, that's what you'll
Speaker 2: you'll you'll read at one of the locals ended up
Speaker 2: seeing the same movie that we did, and he wanted
Speaker 2: to freak out the kids in the neighborhood. So he
Speaker 2: cut himself out some ywood shoes and off he went.
Speaker 2: And of course this was a new phenomena here and
Speaker 2: and the people just went for it. And literally the
Speaker 2: once he got out of hand, he didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do, so he didn't say anything. Yeah he was
Speaker 2: sixteen of this year, you know when he did it. Anyways,
Speaker 2: that that was. That was so we got started. But
Speaker 2: it was cool because they were all camped out in
Speaker 2: our backyard. They had, you know, at that time bigfoot
Speaker 2: investigators in our backyard camped out looking for bigfoot. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we never thought it would go to this
Speaker 2: or we're sitting here talking to you about it, but
Speaker 2: you know clear where it is. You know. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was pretty wild for an experience, and you know, a
Speaker 2: teenager really sparks the imagination, you know, Yeah, especially when
Speaker 2: you've been out in the woods, you know, three years
Speaker 2: and this thing doesn't exist in New England, at least
Speaker 2: you don't think it does. And then twenty thirteen rolls around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's when that's when, really you know that, that's when
Speaker 2: things really took off. It really sparked. Our interest was
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. Yeah, we had a business come to Cob
Speaker 2: Mountain Outdoors, and we had that for nearly twenty years,
Speaker 2: and we did it as a guiding business, and we
Speaker 2: were certified in New York State guides. We were guiding them.
Speaker 2: We were certified and everything we used to do, professional development,
Speaker 2: first aid certifications, you know, rock climbing, blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: we did all. And we spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: in New York paddeling and portaging up in the Saint
Speaker 2: Regi's Wilderness and whole ninety yards, yeah, all up through there,
Speaker 2: and it was a great area. And so in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: Erica and I decided we're you know, we were on
Speaker 2: our trips and you know, one of our weeks there
Speaker 2: and we had a scout group or something that we
Speaker 2: were you know, touring up to there, and we decided
Speaker 2: we were going to go on vacation in that same
Speaker 2: area and we did so we went out September. Late September,
Speaker 2: so the schools were in there, all the schools went
Speaker 2: went back, everybody was off at leisuting schools were back
Speaker 2: in session and it was empty. We knew it was
Speaker 2: going to be. The atronics would be empty. Everybody would
Speaker 2: be gone back at work, so you'd have it would
Speaker 2: be nice, quiet and calm, you know, everything would start
Speaker 2: to come back to it. Nature's normal, I would say.
Speaker 2: And we decided that's when we were going. So we
Speaker 2: packed up and off we went. We got out to
Speaker 2: Long Lake and we parked car, took all the stuff
Speaker 2: and took off and we started paddling. We've got to
Speaker 2: the far end of Long Pond and there was a
Speaker 2: campsite off to the left, and we decided, well that's
Speaker 2: you know, the was big enough for us. Everything else
Speaker 2: was kind of taken at the time. Yeah, we were
Speaker 2: headed to another pond, but right was in the middle,
Speaker 2: so we stayed there. Yeah, it was off the looked
Speaker 2: it was a nice spot for us. So we set
Speaker 2: up camp and kind of straightened it up because at
Speaker 2: first it was a little trashed. It was trashed, you know,
Speaker 2: with trees and limbs, and so we kind of moved
Speaker 2: all of that out of the way. We never thought
Speaker 2: anything of it. Eric and I worked at Ridge Runners
Speaker 2: on the Appalachian Trail years ago, and when we used
Speaker 2: to brush in trails, you'd throw a bunch of debris
Speaker 2: and dead sticks and logs and stuff in it to
Speaker 2: camouflage trail or encourage people to stay out. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what this camp site looked like. It was crack yea
Speaker 2: with spruce tops and limbs and stuff like that. It
Speaker 2: was loaded with it, and it was like in the
Speaker 2: ad around it that is very highly unusual. There are
Speaker 2: very well camp sites. They're marked, they're monitored, there's rangers
Speaker 2: out there, they don't play out there. They'll throw you
Speaker 2: out if you got to many people in the group.
Speaker 2: So it was one of those sites where it's like,
Speaker 2: what the heck is this, But it was one of
Speaker 2: those sites we wanted to stay at, so we put
Speaker 2: the effort in to clean it up. So but anyways,
Speaker 2: that's where we that's where we were, and so we
Speaker 2: were after we made the site, we were going to
Speaker 2: go fishing and we were going to go catch dinner.
Speaker 2: Actually it was at this point it was a dinner
Speaker 2: and we're looking for dinner. So we get out there
Speaker 2: and we don't take anything with us. I don't have
Speaker 2: a cell phone. Eric doesn't have a cell phone. We
Speaker 2: didn't have cell phone. If anything, we would have had
Speaker 2: a digital camera, you know, one of those trollways you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was croup. Yeah, we didn't have nothing was with
Speaker 2: us half the time. It didn't work anyway. And besides that,
Speaker 2: we were going out for dinner. So we took a
Speaker 2: fly box with some movie buggers and a five way
Speaker 2: fly rod, and off we went. And it ended up
Speaker 2: being like a fishing story. It was catching fishing. It
Speaker 2: if you were a fisherman, it was one of the best.
Speaker 2: So he was catching one of the best days of
Speaker 2: fishing I ever had. Every cast was a bass, or
Speaker 2: every third cast was a bass, and they were almost
Speaker 2: five pounds on a fly run. I felt like I
Speaker 2: just told him to keep paddling. Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: I said, just keep paddling, I'll catch him. And that's
Speaker 3: all I did all afternoon. So we saw this this
Speaker 3: stream off to the right, and he says, hey, let's
Speaker 3: go down down the stream, and I said all right.
Speaker 3: So we started going down down into the stream and
Speaker 3: it's a little crowded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got crowded, all right. It's like a single
Speaker 2: track model when you're in the front and there is
Speaker 2: no fope of seeing the outside of this the other
Speaker 2: end just spin around. I spun it around and I said,
Speaker 2: you go in it. So so he wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2: It was, let me tell it. It was just it was
Speaker 2: a brady stream we went into. It was It was tough,
Speaker 2: it really was. It was. It was to navigate because
Speaker 2: you really didn't tell which way to go. It was braided,
Speaker 2: so there was a lot of options, and we didn't
Speaker 2: know where we were going to end up because we'd
Speaker 2: never been down there. Well, we just kept following the
Speaker 2: current and lo and behow we ended up at a
Speaker 2: beaver dam and we're going right to the beaver dam.
Speaker 2: And then I start fishing there at the beaver dam. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was the first and last time by letting fish. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I cast over the beaver dam and I'm sitting
Speaker 2: in a canoe, I'm in the p and been working
Speaker 2: all this way and I get to the beaver dam,
Speaker 2: I start, I start fishing and I cast over the
Speaker 2: beaver dam. And the beaver dam is about four feet
Speaker 2: high and I'm head level with the top of the
Speaker 2: beaver dam at the lower portion of it. And anyway,
Speaker 2: I catch a fish in this smally. All we caught
Speaker 2: were a small mouth and there're three to five pounds.
Speaker 2: If you ever catch small mouth, you know, they just
Speaker 2: bounce out of the water and dance. They're a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. So anyways, were you know, we were catching
Speaker 2: the fish and this thing ounces out of water and
Speaker 2: starts tail dancing, and the next thing, you know, all
Speaker 2: hell broke the slaying. Well, actually, the one tree started
Speaker 2: shaking and it was just all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: we're just sitting in a canoe fish and it was like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got one, and all of a sudden, this tree
Speaker 2: started to shake like it's in a snow globe. And
Speaker 2: then moments later, a second tree starts shaking. It's like,
Speaker 2: what the heck. So we got two trees shaking like
Speaker 2: they're in a snow globe. And then the roaring starts
Speaker 2: and growling, and now we have to go back through
Speaker 2: this web of tree limbs, you know, So we got
Speaker 2: that where we're sitting there like what is this and
Speaker 2: you know, we're what the heck? You know, so I'm
Speaker 2: still reeling in a fish and and all this roaring
Speaker 2: was going on, and we're like, what is going on
Speaker 2: with that? We don't know what it is. We can't
Speaker 2: see it, but the two trees are shaken, literally, like
Speaker 2: there is snowgow New York atm you know New York
Speaker 2: at all. You can't see ten feet in. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: she had the dark boreal for us. It's fancy in there,
Speaker 2: and like I said, this is dinner, so we're going
Speaker 2: in there. It was dark and it's dark inside at
Speaker 2: four o'clock outside it's still light, so it's so it's
Speaker 2: not bad. But let me tell you. When nothing started
Speaker 2: yelling or screaming or roaring, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: it was a mix of everything. Stuff starts coming out
Speaker 2: of the tree there, there's whether whether whatever's out there
Speaker 2: is throwing it or it's breaking limbs, and there's you
Speaker 2: can figure Yeah, you couldn't even you couldn't either even
Speaker 2: put something together the an animal in your mind to
Speaker 2: make that noise. And that really kind of freaked out
Speaker 2: because you couldn't figure out what it was. Yeah, nothing
Speaker 2: in the memory bank that was I mean when it was,
Speaker 2: you know, so it was it was a freaky experience.
Speaker 2: And we're just sitting there, We're in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, these trees are shaken and
Speaker 2: it's going off and you could feel it. You could
Speaker 2: feel the yell and yeah, yeah, it was like you
Speaker 2: get a ten euge in content you could fundle to
Speaker 2: read on for you. It was crazy. Yeah. So, and
Speaker 2: actually that's what made us start to move back because
Speaker 2: I actually that's when we started getting out. Well, I
Speaker 2: actually wanted to go further, but the beaver dam was
Speaker 2: in front of me, and they're like, no way, no way,
Speaker 2: we're out. We're out. So if you could picture the
Speaker 2: cartoon at this point, it breaks in half and I'm
Speaker 2: going one way, he's going the other. And that's that
Speaker 2: was kind of where we were at because I wanted
Speaker 2: to see it and he's like, no, we're done. And
Speaker 2: it was. It was that scary actually, because you could
Speaker 2: it's crazy in your chest. You could feel actually your
Speaker 2: whole body when that thing roared with the tone of
Speaker 2: it as it went high, the vibration on your body
Speaker 2: got He still had a paddle out of the stream
Speaker 2: to get away from whatever this thing was fighting their
Speaker 2: way through, and it wasn't that far away from the
Speaker 2: side of there. It would have to be thirty yards
Speaker 2: in maybe, so as it as it got louder, we
Speaker 2: backed out because we actually thought, whatever this thing is,
Speaker 2: it never stopped shaking the trees, and it never stopped
Speaker 2: growling and yelling and making the noise that it did.
Speaker 2: You never ever stopped. When we were noticing that, we
Speaker 2: actually say, hey, dude, that thing just hasn't even stopped.
Speaker 2: And it went on this this now has gone on
Speaker 2: for By the time we actually backed out and got
Speaker 2: into it, the existing lake that we were in was
Speaker 2: maybe ten minutes, maybe fifteen, and we were and this
Speaker 2: thing never ever stopped shaking or the sound never ever stopped.
Speaker 2: So nothing took a breath, all right, because the sound
Speaker 2: never stopped. It continuus roaring crazy for almost fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: all bent ten twelve, fifteen, and I mean it didn't
Speaker 2: really We were out in the middle of the lake
Speaker 2: and that's when it finally he stopped as fast as
Speaker 2: it started. It just stopped, yep, And we just kind
Speaker 2: of sat there, you know, and we just kind of
Speaker 2: looked around, like what just happened? And we're trying to
Speaker 2: you know, Hey, what was that? Was that a bear?
Speaker 2: Was a mountain lion? Where they fighting or something? What's
Speaker 2: going on? We're there, you know when you start paddling
Speaker 2: away and then you're you're in. The canoe was sixteen
Speaker 2: feet long, and all I said was, you know, we're
Speaker 2: on the same side as this. Yeah, that's where our
Speaker 2: campsite was, on the same side as all of this
Speaker 2: took place, maybe two hundred yards away. Yeah, so there's
Speaker 2: no run into your car, there's no you know for
Speaker 2: no dunkin Donuts, no nothing. It was kind of back
Speaker 2: to your scary little campsite that you had to clean
Speaker 2: all that debris out of it and wondering why and
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden this so yeah, i'd say
Speaker 2: it was. It was a long night that night, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we had a fire all yeah, yeah, we had a
Speaker 2: deer come through because we didn't really we heard a
Speaker 2: deer come through. Its crazy. And then we got out
Speaker 2: of there that morning, you know, probably just the sun
Speaker 2: came up we could paddle. So it's probably five o'clock,
Speaker 2: five thirty in the morning. We're heading out. Now, you
Speaker 2: got to we're guides. We were guides up here for
Speaker 2: ten or fifty. Yeah, we know this place very well,
Speaker 2: and this is never ever, ever, ever, ever happened ever
Speaker 2: and exactly exactly it never happened. But you know, then
Speaker 2: then years later, during a couple of years go by,
Speaker 2: and we started talking to people. We're talking to different
Speaker 2: people that Facebook features. We didn't have Facebook at the times.
Speaker 2: When we finally got into Facebook or got a phone
Speaker 2: or got a computer that we could get into Facebook,
Speaker 2: we ran into other groups that were out there and
Speaker 2: people with the same experience listen to their story and
Speaker 2: it was like, hey, you know, we that happened to us.
Speaker 2: We had this happen. So we went back out there
Speaker 2: the following year or a year after, and we went
Speaker 2: out and we checked. I think it was the very
Speaker 2: next year. We went out there and we went right
Speaker 2: back to where we were and we got in there.
Speaker 2: We measured the trees. The trees were nine inches, then
Speaker 2: ten inches, you know, give or take eight to ten inches,
Speaker 2: and almost ten feet apart. Yeah, and these things were
Speaker 2: shaken like like they were in a snooke head, just
Speaker 2: like some surreal crazy, very very weird and you say, hey,
Speaker 2: I mean that's they were the only two trees in
Speaker 2: the whole forest. You know, we've been asked many times,
Speaker 2: was it a bear? Was it this? Well, the bear,
Speaker 2: if it was, it never ever ever stopped making a
Speaker 2: crazy loud screen noise. And if it were to hit
Speaker 2: the ground, you would have thought you would have heard
Speaker 2: a bear make a huffing sound or some type of noise.
Speaker 2: But but this year that just didn't do that. The
Speaker 2: noise that never stopped at this point, now you know,
Speaker 2: we had no clue, but not in Monday morning quarterbre
Speaker 2: and and now we believe there was multiple it's possible
Speaker 2: multiple bigfoot there and between the roaring, one got a
Speaker 2: breath and the other one is roaring, so you know,
Speaker 2: you didn't really notice it, right, and that may have
Speaker 2: been how that's why we always took it as continual
Speaker 2: roaring when they might have had multiples and they're you know,
Speaker 2: doing their thing and yelling and streaming and roaring just
Speaker 2: to scare us and all. I mean, then it didn't
Speaker 2: sound like it stopped. Well, it was all different knocks
Speaker 2: in different tones, so it's you know, there's no way
Speaker 2: to decipher who did that or this. You know, it
Speaker 2: was just a cacophony of roaring and streaming. It is bizarre,
Speaker 2: and we turned around and that we came to a
Speaker 2: conclusion later on that they were fishing. There were there
Speaker 2: could have been multiples, we figured three at least, and
Speaker 2: they were fishing. They were pushing. Their hands are like
Speaker 2: big first Basement's mitch, you know, these things are enormous,
Speaker 2: giant match yeap. So when you got four of those
Speaker 2: things pushing through the through the stream in into a
Speaker 2: into a beaver dam, now mind you, this is a
Speaker 2: small Yeah, it's just a little a small creek coming
Speaker 2: into a and it hits beaver dam that's kind of
Speaker 2: eight picks in shape, so it's got of a curve
Speaker 2: to it, and the curve is only you know, it's
Speaker 2: probably only thirty feet wide, forty feet wide. This whole damn,
Speaker 2: This whole thing when it's holding back and the stream
Speaker 2: coming in is only four or five feet wide, and
Speaker 2: it might be knee deep if that. So, if you
Speaker 2: got two or three bigfoot and they're walking with their
Speaker 2: paws and their fingers, you know, and as big as
Speaker 2: they are, it's like a wall moving whatever's in front
Speaker 2: of them down into that holding pin. What is we're
Speaker 2: calling it a beaver dam. And that's where they're pushing
Speaker 2: all this fish and they were fine with us fishing
Speaker 2: all the way up until that point where I pulled
Speaker 2: the fish out. And that's when one of them dudes
Speaker 2: just had it and they said, no, you're out and
Speaker 2: they went off and they said, no, this is our
Speaker 2: fishing hole. Get out, And that's exactly what they told us,
Speaker 2: and we'd left it.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is such a wild I mean, I see
Speaker 1: how that would that would push you into where you
Speaker 1: guys are today. That is just crazy. And there's there
Speaker 1: was no easy way to get out of there. Once
Speaker 1: you describe, you know, how big the stream actually was.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not getting either quick for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, not at all. So that's what we think,
Speaker 2: you know. And and now, like I said, we're Monday
Speaker 2: Morning for bad guys. But in twenty thirteen, we were
Speaker 2: just kind of cutting our teeth on this bigfoot thing. Really,
Speaker 2: you know, we think we had an experience. We started
Speaker 2: hanging out with Squats A Chusts was a group at
Speaker 2: the time. We're local. We got involved with those guys,
Speaker 2: We got involved with the BFRO and we did that
Speaker 2: for Sheeze almost thirty four fourteen fifteen years now, we've
Speaker 2: been doing it and now we're doing our own thing.
Speaker 2: We've got the Vogel Brothers and we do the Cobble
Speaker 2: Mountain Critter Project. And but you know, throughout our investigations,
Speaker 2: good we've had you know, Eric and I've had a
Speaker 2: Class A sighting sure, twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, we had
Speaker 2: exciting it. We've had a sighting through a fleer and
Speaker 2: smell and new yours encounters all right, ours with a
Speaker 2: few people at the same time. So really that's the
Speaker 2: best part of when we talk about our experiences. It's
Speaker 2: always been with a group of people. Most of the
Speaker 2: time we were leading expeditions or we had groups of
Speaker 2: people with us. There's multiple witnesses that can verify. It's
Speaker 2: not just the guy's coming up with a story. There's
Speaker 2: multiple and not just bigfoot orbs and other days. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of nutting.
Speaker 1: Can you share one of those experiences where you were
Speaker 1: able to have a Class A sighting of one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to fill my coffee and that is right, Okay,
Speaker 2: Well it started. It started on a Friday night. We
Speaker 2: started we were up here at up at the camp.
Speaker 2: We had an extpedition going on there were about twelve people,
Speaker 2: maybe fourteen, yes Western mess and we pulled in and
Speaker 2: we were all getting out of the cars and we're
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, these kids come running out of
Speaker 2: the woods and adults and they're saying someone's throwing rocks
Speaker 2: and they're yelling at us, and we're like what. Tim's
Speaker 2: the ranger here at the camp and he says, there's
Speaker 2: nobody here, and the teachers turned around and says, somebody
Speaker 2: is yelling and somebody is throwing rocks, so they're running out.
Speaker 2: We go in, but we couldn't find anything. We couldn't
Speaker 2: find anybody, couldn't find any trash, couldn't find anything. So
Speaker 2: they all the kids and the teachers took off because
Speaker 2: they didn't want to stay, so we all could take off.
Speaker 2: And we're sitting around the fire, we're talking, getting ready
Speaker 2: having dinner, and then we're gonna go out into the
Speaker 2: camp and we're broken into groups and everybody each group
Speaker 2: had had a fleer and I had a father and
Speaker 2: son with me. Go out into the field and we're
Speaker 2: standing next to a tree and it's about one two
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning and his son's looking at a
Speaker 2: mouse running around and the gentleman I'm standing beside. We're
Speaker 2: just kind of talking to each other real low. And
Speaker 2: I looked across the field and I see this. This
Speaker 2: orange is reddish, you know, a yellow oranges ball, about
Speaker 2: the size of a beach ball. And it's about thirty
Speaker 2: feet in the air from where, you know, where I'm
Speaker 2: looking at. It's a good over one hundred yards away.
Speaker 2: But it's one in the morning, and it's pitch black.
Speaker 2: And I looked at the gentleman beside me, and he
Speaker 2: just he looked at me. He looked back at the
Speaker 2: at the glowing ball, and we watched it for a
Speaker 2: good ten seconds, and it just went up in the
Speaker 2: air and gone. We were like, what just happened? But
Speaker 2: we didn't say anything. We just kind of looked at
Speaker 2: each other and never experienced. Yeah, the had you know,
Speaker 2: you know, nothing is supposed to be over there. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's been a ranger here for almost fifteen years, you
Speaker 2: know what the lord was, Yeah, you know, and you see,
Speaker 2: you never heard of one. So that night there wasn't
Speaker 2: any It's just an open lot. There's not supposed to
Speaker 2: be anything there. So the following day we all get together.
Speaker 2: It's been raining now for about four days. So we
Speaker 2: all get together where Tim stay here. He had a
Speaker 2: he was teaching a fishing class for the state. So
Speaker 2: we turned around and we took off and we went
Speaker 2: over to Savoy. We went to one spot and it
Speaker 2: was nobody wanted to get out and it was just
Speaker 2: raining too hard, so we went. We drove to another
Speaker 2: spot deeper into Savoy and it stopped. It slowed down
Speaker 2: enough to where most everybody went. There are a few
Speaker 2: cars that there are few people that didn't get out,
Speaker 2: but they said we'll wait for you here. We said, okay,
Speaker 2: so we walked in and we get in. We're hiking
Speaker 2: into this place called Balance Rock in Savoy and there's
Speaker 2: always two gentlemen that come with the group that'd like
Speaker 2: to drop back, and they like to watch the group
Speaker 2: to see if the group is being watched. It makes
Speaker 2: sense to you. And we had a father and son
Speaker 2: team go up in front of us. So we're kind
Speaker 2: of we I'm in the in with the group of
Speaker 2: about nine or ten people were walking up. We get
Speaker 2: up the Balance Rock. We're standing there. Everybody's listening, and
Speaker 2: we asked if anybody wanted to make a bigfoot call,
Speaker 2: and this little. This young young boy says, I will,
Speaker 2: so he gives out a bigfoot call. But I said
Speaker 2: to myself, I'm saying, wow, that thing. It was so
Speaker 2: soft and so quiet. I don't think they heard anything. Well,
Speaker 2: the two guys that were behind us come running up
Speaker 2: and they say, hey, we've got we've got whistles back here.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, the gentleman and the guy
Speaker 2: in the sun up in the front sent the sun
Speaker 2: back and see he says, hey, we got some kind
Speaker 2: of knocking going on up here in the front. Who
Speaker 2: We're like what? So we just kind of walked in
Speaker 2: and fanned out in a forty five. So I walked
Speaker 2: in and I stood on this little rock. It had
Speaker 2: moss all around it, but the rock was shown, so
Speaker 2: I was standing on it. It was a higher elevation,
Speaker 2: not high enough, but it was high. So I'm standing
Speaker 2: there and there were a dozen people in the woods
Speaker 2: all looking and I have an orange rain jacket, so
Speaker 2: I really stuck out and we're I'm looking around. I
Speaker 2: don't see anything, and it's really quiet. So I kind
Speaker 2: of bent myself down at my knees so I could
Speaker 2: look lower to see if I could see Leig movement
Speaker 2: or deer walking by or something and all, and I
Speaker 2: kind of noticed this big black thing that wasn't there
Speaker 2: a second ago. So I kind of stood up and went,
Speaker 2: I leaned to the left. This thing leaned to the left,
Speaker 2: and I went, what was that? And when I stood
Speaker 2: back up, it stood up and turned and I went, what,
Speaker 2: I it's there, and I pointed and I started running
Speaker 2: right at it. And there was a gentleman beside me
Speaker 2: with a go pro, and there was another gentleman on
Speaker 2: the other side of him that saw the lower half
Speaker 2: at the same time I saw the upper half moving
Speaker 2: and he ran into the same frame of the go
Speaker 2: pro together pointing in the same direction as I was.
Speaker 2: He saw the bottom, I saw the top. You can't
Speaker 2: see any And there was a three laying down and
Speaker 2: the guy would in the middle was standing right in
Speaker 2: front of a tree where this big foot was standing.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable to say, what you see is two people running
Speaker 2: pointing at a tree. Yeah, that's what you see. But
Speaker 2: it was there. So we turned around and everybody else
Speaker 2: came over, and we're looking around to see if we
Speaker 2: can find some tracks, and we can't find nothing. And
Speaker 2: I'm going, that's crazy. It was there and the other
Speaker 2: and the other guy says yeah. He says, I saw
Speaker 2: the lades move, and I says, I watched it turn it.
Speaker 2: Teeter tottered with me. I says, oh, I can't believe this,
Speaker 2: I said, And my brother's not with me. I said,
Speaker 2: that's impossible. This this is crazy. I said, I got
Speaker 2: to get on back here. So when we went back
Speaker 2: to the camp, I said, Tim, you got to come
Speaker 2: with me tomorrow. You just got to. I says, you
Speaker 2: won't believe what happened. So I told the whole story.
Speaker 2: We drive back up, we go in, we get it,
Speaker 2: We get up to the balance rocket, we go in,
Speaker 2: and we're going through the whole story again. Show them.
Speaker 2: Showed them the rock where I was showing. We brought
Speaker 2: out the range finder and a tape measure. I had
Speaker 2: him walked to the tree where I saw it. I
Speaker 2: pulled out the range finder. It was forty yards wds
Speaker 2: from me, and then I turned around and I said him,
Speaker 2: start raising your hand. So he raised his hand. I said, no,
Speaker 2: gotta go up. He got his hat and then he
Speaker 2: went up onto Then he had to get a stick
Speaker 2: and go up with the hat and it stopped about
Speaker 2: eight and a half nine feet and it was like
Speaker 2: I was looking at a sheet of plywood. When I
Speaker 2: saw it, it had to be almost four feet wide.
Speaker 2: And I only saw a part of it when it moved,
Speaker 2: and I and there was nothing, but there was nothing
Speaker 2: there when that day that had happened, we went up
Speaker 2: there and I'm going through the whole scenario scenario, after
Speaker 2: we measured it. I was on one side of the tree,
Speaker 2: he was on the other. And he comes walking down
Speaker 2: the tree and he goes, wow, look at this. And
Speaker 2: there was a track, beautiful footprint track, Yeah, seventeen and
Speaker 2: a half eight and a half inches wide at the
Speaker 2: top and the heel was four inches deep and it
Speaker 2: was five and a half five five and a half
Speaker 2: inches wide. It was. It was a big track. And
Speaker 2: seven feet away second track, we found the ball of
Speaker 2: the second track of the other foot. And the reason
Speaker 2: why it was just the ball was because there was
Speaker 2: a root and the toes caught the root and it
Speaker 2: peeled the bark off the roof. But you can't, you can't,
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work. So you get the ball. But
Speaker 2: when you put the ball, when you put the ball
Speaker 2: of one foot with the footprint. They're at the same depth,
Speaker 2: so you know it was the same creature. But the
Speaker 2: two gentlemen that were on the other side of that
Speaker 2: path never saw it coming at them. And they were
Speaker 2: right there, the two gentlemen that were behind us, they
Speaker 2: came down the same path that this thing was headed
Speaker 2: and they never saw it. Yeah, So what does that
Speaker 2: tell you? You know what I mean, where does it go?
Speaker 2: Why did twelve people miss it? How did twelve people
Speaker 2: miss it? And why did we only get two tracks
Speaker 2: out of it? You know, nothing moved, he said. Reason
Speaker 2: never moved. There were no snapping, there was there was
Speaker 2: there was nothing. It was dead quiet. Yeah, but yet
Speaker 2: there's the track, there's a half a second track and
Speaker 2: no one's and no one else saw this thing. I
Speaker 2: just it's crazy. So I when after he found that,
Speaker 2: we we got our friend of ours to come back.
Speaker 2: He was going, he was he was on his way
Speaker 2: to a ball game. He turned around and he came
Speaker 2: back to We walked out to the end of the death.
Speaker 2: We met him at the dirt road covered the treads
Speaker 2: so they wouldn't be hit by animals. And yeah, we
Speaker 2: met him out on the dirt road. We got in
Speaker 2: his truck and we drove in. Before we drove in,
Speaker 2: we had a roar. Yes, we were driving, Yeah, we
Speaker 2: were driving in. I was in the front, Tim was
Speaker 2: behind me on the passenger side. And there was a
Speaker 2: roar that came up off of that the top of
Speaker 2: the mountain. That sounded just like the roar that we
Speaker 2: heard in New York. And the depth and them same
Speaker 2: almost the same one. It was. It was incredibly close
Speaker 2: together and it must have been a warning setting out
Speaker 2: here they come again, you know, they're coming back in.
Speaker 2: So when we went in there the other guy was,
Speaker 2: he was standing there, he was looking at it. He goes, no,
Speaker 2: he says, I can't believe we didn't see that, And
Speaker 2: there it was. So we casted both tracks. So we
Speaker 2: have two casts, and like you said, you know we
Speaker 2: there one is it lacks toe prints, but it's got
Speaker 2: heel definition, it's got the it goes in real deep,
Speaker 2: so it shows you where the impact was the initial
Speaker 2: fight or flight lands boom gives you a full foot track.
Speaker 2: And then the second one is just the ball of
Speaker 2: the foot. And like you said, the reason why we
Speaker 2: cast it is because it's the same depth as the
Speaker 2: heel strength from the track before, so it shows you
Speaker 2: something the same weight made normally here in New England,
Speaker 2: it's hard to get one track ned never mind too
Speaker 2: why I don't know, but that's definitely a cool conversation
Speaker 2: to have as well.
Speaker 1: Wow, this is guys, I've so.
Speaker 2: Right a Skavoy state for ye Savoy right here? Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to do a lot of outdoor stuff
Speaker 1: with my father growing up, and like I've been to
Speaker 1: that Balancing Rock area. I know because I grew up
Speaker 1: in Northfield and we would take root too over and
Speaker 1: I can't explain to people how wild the northwest corner
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts is.
Speaker 2: Is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm just blown away. I mean I can totally see
Speaker 1: that you would have that experience in Savoy. Isn't that
Speaker 1: the same area where Jonathan wilcad his stuff too?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, same state for its different areas. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: he is the gentleman that I was referring to. Okay,
Speaker 2: this gentleman. Yeah, we made him tell his own story.
Speaker 1: But yeah, sure, sure it's increating. People can watch that
Speaker 1: on Small Town Monsters has a really good episode. I'll
Speaker 1: put the link out the show notes with him. But
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, that's awesome. I've heard so many things
Speaker 1: from southwest Massachusetts, but not the northwest corner. And man,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, want to just to make sure
Speaker 1: that I get it in. But something I ask in
Speaker 1: Massachusetts episodes just in case, is there's got to be
Speaker 1: someone out there someday who can who has experienced something
Speaker 1: in Franklin County. I don't know if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: that area. It's further east and you've got like Greenfield
Speaker 1: and Northfield and Gill and Warwick and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: And have you guys ever heard anything from out in
Speaker 1: that area.
Speaker 2: I have read stories from out in that area. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's not too Many's the one I'm familiar with. You're
Speaker 2: talking about Zaha Rose Crossing I route too, like on
Speaker 2: the Mohawk Trail. Yeah, no, that's that's the one we're
Speaker 2: talking about. Franklin County. There's not too to be honest,
Speaker 2: it's just a weird place that doesn't get that much reports.
Speaker 2: I haven't had that many reports. Yeah, and we tried,
Speaker 2: we've urged gone in there and tried to pull out,
Speaker 2: you know, get people to talk open up to us.
Speaker 2: And all the other counties had heavy reporting. But the
Speaker 2: other ones like we've just had and Beckett, Blandford, Russell
Speaker 2: and the hilltowns and Western mess and the hilltowns. We've
Speaker 2: got almost a dozen reports between wood knocking and woops vocalizations.
Speaker 2: And one person said he's heard it chattered kind of thing,
Speaker 2: So but I don't, you know, that's what he's saying.
Speaker 2: So he's we've had chatter. We've had whoops and numerous
Speaker 2: wood knocking reports this year alone just in our local area.
Speaker 2: And we get that through the Cobble Mountain Pater and
Speaker 2: really fall hasn't even come yet. That's when that that's
Speaker 2: when over November starts, really hartst season, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And when we say that, you know a lot of
Speaker 2: people think, oh, you know corn and the farmers. Now
Speaker 2: right now, the white oaks are dropping and the oak
Speaker 2: forest if you look at the oak forest at the
Speaker 2: thirty thousand foot level, it's huge. So it's in the
Speaker 2: metric tons of oaks that are falling that there's it's
Speaker 2: feeding everything from the moles walls to the turkeys, to
Speaker 2: the deer, to bigfoot, everything in between. That's the harvest
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. And we have plenty and right now
Speaker 2: the white oaks are dropping or they dropped in was
Speaker 2: it the more in the summer and the red oaks
Speaker 2: will be dropping a little bit later. And literally when
Speaker 2: you walk around here on this property, it sounds like
Speaker 2: you need a hard hat because the oaks will fall
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, like you know, raining rocks.
Speaker 2: So there's plenty of food. There's plenty of food. I
Speaker 2: just think the our area, and let's say the northeast
Speaker 2: is a quilted thing of vegetation. If you look at
Speaker 2: the big view and there's fresh logging which which gives
Speaker 2: you certain foods. There's old growth which gives you certain comforts,
Speaker 2: and there's other things that gives you, you know, the
Speaker 2: farm land and the agriculture and the quiet, and you know,
Speaker 2: this is a network of geographic stuff that makes New
Speaker 2: England a great area. And for US, Western Mass has
Speaker 2: a bunch of that right here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it doesn't get enough credit. All the
Speaker 1: stuff going on everywhere from the kabin to down in
Speaker 1: Mount Washington in the corner of Mass. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff going on. But you know, a pattern
Speaker 1: that I keep getting in reports when I talk to
Speaker 1: people for the podcast is that over the years there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that have seen what they describe
Speaker 1: as like a white bigfoot kind of north of Springfield
Speaker 1: Cobbin area. But it's really interesting. Have you guys run
Speaker 1: into that.
Speaker 2: I've heard that stories. I've heard those stories too. I
Speaker 2: haven't seen it myself, but yeah, I've heard that story. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: I just listen to one of your latest podcasts. It
Speaker 2: was he's a musician Jeese. Anyway, he did a thing
Speaker 2: right there in Quabbin and it was the white Bigfoot
Speaker 2: in quab And now you guys did a show on
Speaker 2: it was great, and we had heard investigating through the
Speaker 2: BFRO and squat Chusetts and other people talking that they
Speaker 2: had seen. There's multiple reports. Let's put it down, we
Speaker 2: have a white bigfoot in that area. And then in
Speaker 2: twenty three, in twenty twenty three, my wife and I
Speaker 2: we live right here on the Cobbo Mountain Reservoir and
Speaker 2: we have a thirteen hunderdacre camp that hadbuts this property
Speaker 2: and we were out. We call it a squatch ride.
Speaker 2: We got driving and long story show, we go look
Speaker 2: up for bigfoot. So it's a squat ride. So we
Speaker 2: got our duncans and weren't off with our coffee and
Speaker 2: driving along, and we come down Wildcat Road into the
Speaker 2: quab And Reservoir and we look across the reservoir and
Speaker 2: my wife happens to see this big white thing come
Speaker 2: walking out of the woods, right down to the leg
Speaker 2: and at that point she gets my attention and I'm
Speaker 2: looking over at it, because she thought it might have
Speaker 2: been a sign that blew around or something. And she said,
Speaker 2: look at that, look at that. And so we stopped,
Speaker 2: and now we're looking across the lake. But it might
Speaker 2: have been a half mile three coards of a mile,
Speaker 2: which I live right above a lake, and I'm looking
Speaker 2: across the lake through my pitcher window right now, and
Speaker 2: I can see the shoreline a half mile away, So
Speaker 2: this thing wasn't that far away. But we let's put
Speaker 2: it this way. When this thing walked down, it walked down.
Speaker 2: It looked like it bent down and got a drink
Speaker 2: of water for a few minutes. It stood back up
Speaker 2: and walked back into the woods and then disappeared into
Speaker 2: the woods. What we never got was a profile shot.
Speaker 2: What I mean by that is when a deer or
Speaker 2: a moose or a beer because that's what people saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: you saw a barrier moose. Okay, great, that's what we saw.
Speaker 2: But this moose came down sixty feet of shoreline to
Speaker 2: the water. It drank and then walked backwards without ever
Speaker 2: turning around. If that moves or bear or something walk
Speaker 2: down to the water, it would turn around to walk
Speaker 2: back to the woods. It never did that. And the
Speaker 2: profile we were looking at was this tall, cylindrical white
Speaker 2: object that looked like it just went up and down
Speaker 2: to the water, got a drink potentially, and literally just
Speaker 2: walked back to the woods. We didn't ever get that
Speaker 2: side profile shot where you would normally get of an
Speaker 2: animal on four legs, that big side body shot. We
Speaker 2: never got that. So that leads me to believe we
Speaker 2: saw white bigfoot right there in Cobble Mountain. So, you know,
Speaker 2: hence the name Cobble Mountain Critter Project. We've had numerous
Speaker 2: accounts right here in my backyard. Partner.
Speaker 1: That's incredible, And I know that area has come up
Speaker 1: on the show before. With Ernie, I was able to
Speaker 1: talk and oh, yeah, yeah, it's a wild area, dude.
Speaker 1: And you so you started a festival in that area too?
Speaker 2: Correct? Correct? Yes? And I had Ernie as one of
Speaker 2: the speakers we had Dave mccallough Team two experience. I
Speaker 2: had a bunch of people here speaking and Ernie Davreeaux
Speaker 2: told his story on Drake Mountain and what an incredible
Speaker 2: encounter he had, and so you know, he's of the
Speaker 2: mind and he's got a lot of us thinking more
Speaker 2: on communication levels. Now. I've been hearing numerous, not numerous reports,
Speaker 2: I've heard a number of reports where people have discussed
Speaker 2: hearing chatter lately, and that's kind of a new thing
Speaker 2: around here lately, and at least in the Western Mass area. Chatter.
Speaker 2: We don't hear that often, and you don't get here,
Speaker 2: you don't hear reports of it, but you know, it's starting,
Speaker 2: like like we've been around long enough to where people
Speaker 2: drive around they're seeing in the local gas station or
Speaker 2: the story it's the big Foot guys. You know, that's
Speaker 2: kind of the report we've got in town now. And
Speaker 2: we literally have these little wooden mail boxes we made
Speaker 2: and put up in like the Beckett Country Store, and
Speaker 2: it becomes the you know, the the mailing station or
Speaker 2: the reporting station for Western Mass and through these little
Speaker 2: you know, we we go up there and have coffee
Speaker 2: and you know, coffee and cryptids at the at the
Speaker 2: grinder Shop, there might be two people that walk in.
Speaker 2: There might be be walking in. We don't care. But
Speaker 2: we're there to talk about Bigfoot locally. And and so
Speaker 2: we're starting to open some doors. People are starting to
Speaker 2: reach out. And like I said, we literally have a
Speaker 2: dozen reports now that we probably wouldn't have gotten from
Speaker 2: people otherwise. You know, between the library shows that we do,
Speaker 2: the talks that we give, you know, whether it's a
Speaker 2: conference or a festival or next week I we have
Speaker 2: them down, they'll talk to you. Yeah, the more they
Speaker 2: know you, the more they can hear you, they trust you,
Speaker 2: they'll open up and you start to hear this stuff
Speaker 2: with the Cowbon Mount recruiter. That that's kind of when
Speaker 2: we started this. We we do these stories and when
Speaker 2: we do the library portions and we make money on this,
Speaker 2: we only get a couple hundred bucks. So if you're
Speaker 2: a library listening and you want us to come out,
Speaker 2: we'll only a couple of hundred bucks to us. You know,
Speaker 2: you get us for two hours. We come with our
Speaker 2: own casts. We have a half a dozen casts that
Speaker 2: we cast that a dozen people saw. These are these
Speaker 2: are authors cast These are mold. Yeah. So anyways, we
Speaker 2: turned our business into more of a fundraising effort. So
Speaker 2: when we go off and we do these talks, that
Speaker 2: money goes right into where we're sending kids to camp.
Speaker 2: We were involved with the town. The town police is
Speaker 2: making a badge for us. That's gonna be the Russell
Speaker 2: Town Montgomery Russell Police and we're going to use them
Speaker 2: as fundraiser patches. So we're involved with the town doing
Speaker 2: this and that that's going to be We're set nights,
Speaker 2: we're giving away pine trees like an Arbor Day thing.
Speaker 2: We're giving away pine trees and we're up to six
Speaker 2: hundred to one thousand, so you know, that's a bit
Speaker 2: of money, and so these patches will help pay for that.
Speaker 2: At these library talks help pay for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing with our Cobble Mountain Critter Project,
Speaker 2: so we investigate bigfoot stuff as the Voger Brothers. We
Speaker 2: do businesses the Cobble Mountain Cruiter Project and the kids benefit.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Mike Guness, do you think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are having sightings and interactions in this Cobble Mountain
Speaker 1: area and they're just not talking about it.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, its out about it. We actually did. There's
Speaker 2: a local brewery called Skyline Brewery and they've been making
Speaker 2: a Cobble Mountain Crutter beer for years now. And so
Speaker 2: when we had started the business, we didn't really think
Speaker 2: of working. There was no there was no thought behind that.
Speaker 2: So here we are, we start a business and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden we realize he's got a beer and
Speaker 2: we start talking to each other. So we actually go
Speaker 2: there when they open their ipa and they had that
Speaker 2: brow for that month. They had us come in and
Speaker 2: do a talk. It was in March, and so we
Speaker 2: talked about the Cobble Mountain Critter and they broke out
Speaker 2: the new Cobble Mountain Critter beer. And it was a
Speaker 2: big to do and it was a lot of fun
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of stories on that. A
Speaker 2: lot of people came out and said, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah and this and that, and there was
Speaker 2: different names. State Trooper had some howls at two o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, Eric, my brother, did a report on
Speaker 2: fishermen up there getting howls and screams. You know, the
Speaker 2: legends go way back up there, right here in my backyard.
Speaker 2: Cobble mountain man. That is.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely fantastic. It's great to hear someone call
Speaker 1: call it grinders because I say that out here in
Speaker 1: the Midwest and everyone thinks I'm crazy because they don't
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I'm talking about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So you guys have been involved with a lot of
Speaker 1: investigations over the years. Are there any that really stick
Speaker 1: out that like?
Speaker 2: That? Was?
Speaker 1: That was a crazy thing that we were involved with
Speaker 1: looking into for the BFO or Squatchachusetts that you could share.
Speaker 2: We think, Yeah, it was actually on our own and
Speaker 2: it was we were doing a school group. We had
Speaker 2: a business called Taco Mountain Outdoors. It was an adventure
Speaker 2: education business. I'll say that we've been doing this a
Speaker 2: long time and we're in the woods all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is why this goes back to nineteen ninety when
Speaker 2: we started the business, So nineteen ninety eight eight when
Speaker 2: it was legit, I guess. So we've been doing this
Speaker 2: stuff for a long time and we were in northwest
Speaker 2: Connecticut providing a ropes course, a high ropes course for
Speaker 2: a school group. Ye, there's a Catholic school group and
Speaker 2: there's thirty kids two teachers and Eric and myself and
Speaker 2: we've got them for the whole weekend. So it's a
Speaker 2: team building event up on the mountain which is pretty
Speaker 2: remote and there is zero people around the area. There's
Speaker 2: zero people. There are zero people in the area. Put
Speaker 2: it that basically there Southern out and all by itself. Yeah, Southern.
Speaker 2: It's in the Appalation Trail west of it, and it's
Speaker 2: in between the Taconics and the Eighties, so there's there's
Speaker 2: no easy way to get into it outside of a trail.
Speaker 2: So anyways, it's a hard place to get to. That's
Speaker 2: my point. So we're doing a ropes course and we've
Speaker 2: been doing ropes courses here for fifteen years and we've
Speaker 2: never had this issue. And we've been on that mountain
Speaker 2: numerous times, numerous times up and down it, do anything.
Speaker 2: On the top of it is a chimney. There used
Speaker 2: to be a house and it burnt down, so it's
Speaker 2: a chimney. And these wolves take kids up there classes
Speaker 2: and whatnot, and they go up there and they and
Speaker 2: they sit there and they reflect and whatever. So the
Speaker 2: chimney is being used all the time and there's nothing
Speaker 2: up there. It's just mountain chimney and trees. So at
Speaker 2: this time me and Eric are making dinner. We're down
Speaker 2: at our campsite. We're cooking dinner, and the teachers and
Speaker 2: the kids are up at this chimney and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's a bit of a hike and it's pretty steep
Speaker 2: to get to it. And then you know there's he's
Speaker 2: and forties. That was a big thing, cabins on the
Speaker 2: mountains until they all burnt down. They were called summit houses. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they all they had an old old rope toe rope,
Speaker 2: ski switch, yeah, ski ski slope there. So anyways, that's
Speaker 2: all gone, so nothing nut there is. Anyway, these guys
Speaker 2: come down from their Bible study. Eric and I are
Speaker 2: done cooking and we're fixing that and handed out and
Speaker 2: we're you know, doing burgers and whatnot, and everybody's at
Speaker 2: this point just about ready to sit down and eat.
Speaker 2: And at that point I was pouring coffee, yeah, and
Speaker 2: Tim was standing on my right and the pastor was
Speaker 2: on my left, and out of nowhere you heard this
Speaker 2: sirene sound like somebody flipped the switch and turned it on.
Speaker 2: It just went whew, But it went on for fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty seconds. It sounded like the highest tone of a
Speaker 2: plat on top of the mountain. And now the pastor
Speaker 2: stand there. His eyes are like half dollars, and he
Speaker 2: just looks at me and I said, yep, and they
Speaker 2: just left them out, I said, Tim, and he goes, yep,
Speaker 2: big footing foot. So the preachers all freaked us very yeah.
Speaker 2: He looked over at the at the pastor and says,
Speaker 2: and he came over on the ark. Oh shows you
Speaker 2: the look out of those things.
Speaker 1: You guys said that that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, said but he's been talking to Bigfoot all weekend.
Speaker 2: And of course it's bizarre. They thought we were crazy
Speaker 2: until this happened. Then all of a sudden, something bizarre happened.
Speaker 2: And and literally it came from an area where they
Speaker 2: believe they were just we're just no explaining it. Literally,
Speaker 2: it sounded like a police car at its very highest tone.
Speaker 2: And of course when we went gultining it up, we
Speaker 2: we we had other people say that they've heard that
Speaker 2: saying sound. Other reports we've had this high pitched siren sound,
Speaker 2: and you know that would have been related to today.
Speaker 2: It was a whistle, now, you know, we say it
Speaker 2: was a siren sound, but that would have been that
Speaker 2: would a very high pitched whistle. So so now we're
Speaker 2: we're finishing dinner. We had our fun. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2: That was big foot and they all got the point
Speaker 2: and laugh and so Eric and I walk off in humiliation,
Speaker 2: and you know, so we had fun with it. We
Speaker 2: go back, we're finishing the night and it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of getting dark, and the owls are kicking up and
Speaker 2: it's you know, they're you know, that kind of thing
Speaker 2: going on, and if you know owls or territorial and
Speaker 2: then and there's probably half a dozen maybe more owls,
Speaker 2: and it sounds like they're fighting. And we've been we've
Speaker 2: been down here for years and really never happens. Number
Speaker 2: you hear the coyotes once in a while across the swamp.
Speaker 2: We heard something similar in New York where they were
Speaker 2: territorial and fighting, but not like this. This was crazy
Speaker 2: and the owls going after each other like that. And
Speaker 2: then we heard coyotes, coyoats, and all night long they
Speaker 2: were going off like they had just gotten a fresh
Speaker 2: killed and as on a fresh kill, that's what it
Speaker 2: sounded like. It was absolutely nuts. And we've only heard
Speaker 2: it a few times twenty and chyoks, but it was
Speaker 2: on our side of the swamp this time, not on
Speaker 2: the other side where usually it's on the other side. Now,
Speaker 2: farms wad and we're set up tens inut of ten.
Speaker 2: I'm in a hammock and I'm laying there. I get
Speaker 2: in there and I'm laying there, and I said, man,
Speaker 2: I said, all of a sudden, you could hear them.
Speaker 2: You could hear them down the mountain mountain. They were
Speaker 2: on our side. They were coming down the mountain. You
Speaker 2: literally could hear them hitting the ground. Pious are running
Speaker 2: down there. And I yelled over to Tim and I says, man,
Speaker 2: I hope I'm high enough, you know. And I have
Speaker 2: an under quilt that goes under my hamming tackle, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like a taco. So you can hear them. They're
Speaker 2: thundering down down the mountain and they're coming right at me.
Speaker 2: And I just yelled them. I said, here they come.
Speaker 2: And I felt my undercuilt move as it went underneath
Speaker 2: my hammock and they went right by him and I
Speaker 2: down the mountain, off off into the woods somewhere doing
Speaker 2: the crazy. Yeah, it was nuts. I never had that
Speaker 2: ever in my life. I was like, you got to
Speaker 2: be kidding. It literally his hands. So that in itself,
Speaker 2: it was a very excited night. The atmosphere was excited.
Speaker 2: The hyouts, the owls, that bigfoot screen. That was probably
Speaker 2: they never ever had any freaking on our side. Everything
Speaker 2: the weird. Most of the noises and stuff came from
Speaker 2: the farm side, which is to be expected because there's
Speaker 2: there's food over there for for every critter out there.
Speaker 2: Never on our side. But everything was happening on our
Speaker 2: side that that night. Yeah, it was the coyotes. So
Speaker 2: we got up that morning, we finished off the rope's course,
Speaker 2: we went back, we started packing up at the group
Speaker 2: leaves and we're and we're standing there, we're talking to
Speaker 2: each other, and all of a sudden, there's a tree. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a tree layer down. There has to be one.
Speaker 2: This is a full size oak tree that has a
Speaker 2: full green candy. Yeah, it just fell over. It had
Speaker 2: we had mixed even ninety feet across in the canopy.
Speaker 2: At least it's got all the leaves and it's like
Speaker 2: a blowdown in a thunder. It just fell over, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you hear something coming through all
Speaker 2: of these leaves and these treemends and sticks, and it
Speaker 2: hits the ground and it's a rock the size of
Speaker 2: a candell pinball. And I went fifteen feet feet away
Speaker 2: and part from us. I was like, what is that?
Speaker 2: And I just looked at it and the jet it's
Speaker 2: time to go. Yeah. And prior to that, we read
Speaker 2: we heard noises behind the tree, and we thought it
Speaker 2: was just a deer kind of didn't even really give
Speaker 2: it a second thought. But after you could hear that
Speaker 2: rock come flying through and hitting all those branches all
Speaker 2: the way through it and then it landed and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, that's probably one of the craziest ones.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because the other group left and
Speaker 1: you guys are still hanging out.
Speaker 2: I think I think there's a symbiotic relationship with the
Speaker 2: coyotes and maybe the owls. Bigfoot has been mimicking owls,
Speaker 2: and I have reports and No Purple that have Class
Speaker 2: A sightings watching a bigfoot do it and making the sightings.
Speaker 2: And he thought it was an owl. So we know
Speaker 2: the bigfoots make owl calls, so probably it's a camouflage
Speaker 2: tactic and the coyotes. They might just work together. Coyotes
Speaker 2: might go get something. Big Boy walks and the owners
Speaker 2: in Artland big footage the way doesn't say it happens
Speaker 2: on all their kills, but potentially on some of them.
Speaker 2: And that's why all three were together and all three
Speaker 2: were excited. We had a bigfoot, well we believe a whistle.
Speaker 2: Hours before all this, the owls started up. Very uncanny,
Speaker 2: It was very It was very different the way they behaved.
Speaker 2: And the coyotes were from the top of the mountain
Speaker 2: all the way down like they had to kill. And
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird because generally around the kill they're
Speaker 2: all in one area and they're making all that noise
Speaker 2: because they're excited. This is their excited and they're running
Speaker 2: like hell down the mountain and they're still yet. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've learned behaviors and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It was an odd behavior and that's what we notice now.
Speaker 2: So it was an odd behavior. All three behaviors were
Speaker 2: at the same time. Is it linked together? Possibly? Maybe
Speaker 2: the coyotes had something and the bigfoot wanted it and
Speaker 2: we interrupted it.
Speaker 1: Wow, that makes sense. Did you guys say, did you
Speaker 1: just say that you got to report where someone had
Speaker 1: seen a bigfoot mimicking an owl sound yep.
Speaker 2: Right here in our camp. Wow. Yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to give his name, but he's a local here. He
Speaker 2: called the police. Actually his first thing, he called the
Speaker 2: police and made a report to the chief. Now I
Speaker 2: don't really know the chief at this time. I've been
Speaker 2: here five years, so this is all, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of new to me. I don't really know the chief.
Speaker 2: So the chief comes up to me and says, Hi,
Speaker 2: I'm the chief. Blah blah blah. I introduced myself, blah
Speaker 2: blah bla. He says, I've got a punter that's got
Speaker 2: a concern. He made a report, and I had already
Speaker 2: seen this report on I think it was the BFROO
Speaker 2: site or something, and called the guy, talked to the guy,
Speaker 2: and so when the chief came, I already knew what
Speaker 2: he was looking at. When he said I've got this
Speaker 2: odd report I have to talk to you about. I said, oh,
Speaker 2: is it about bigfoot? And he says, oh, you know.
Speaker 2: I said, well, I don't know. Let's let's share stories
Speaker 2: and see if we're talking about the same thing. So
Speaker 2: the chief gave me his story, which turned out to
Speaker 2: be the same story. I heard from you know, the
Speaker 2: guy himself and he and his son were out in
Speaker 2: the back of the property here, just a little ways
Speaker 2: away from my house, and he was down on the swamp.
Speaker 2: His kid was up on the hill and he was
Speaker 2: hearing what I'm going to call the very the very
Speaker 2: white tone owl. It was a very low tongue owl.
Speaker 2: It was too low to be the normal sound owl.
Speaker 2: If you've heard like I just did on you know,
Speaker 2: that's an owl sound. It's not a you know. Now
Speaker 2: I add that a super low tone to it and
Speaker 2: put Barry White's voice on it. That's what it comes
Speaker 2: out to me. So that's what this guy's describing to me.
Speaker 2: It's a very white sounding owl. That's what he's trying
Speaker 2: to wrap my head around. This said. Okay, So anyways,
Speaker 2: he calls his kid at the top of the mountain
Speaker 2: and he says, hey, are you doing that sound? Kid says, no,
Speaker 2: I thought it was you. He says, all right, let's
Speaker 2: get the heck out of here. So they come down.
Speaker 2: They made it the stream. They walk up to the
Speaker 2: quad and they're going to drive out, and on their
Speaker 2: way out walking to the quad, Dad turns around and
Speaker 2: sees his bigfoot he thinks it's a bigfoot crossing just
Speaker 2: kind of walking across the path way down and he
Speaker 2: sees this movement and this large object walking across the path,
Speaker 2: So he makes his report. The chief comes up, does
Speaker 2: his report. I go back out there a couple days
Speaker 2: later with this guy with no real hopes of finding
Speaker 2: any evidence, and lo and behold. First off, this guy
Speaker 2: didn't want to go back. I had to go back
Speaker 2: in the woods there myself. He would not go back
Speaker 2: with me. I went back to the spot, and I
Speaker 2: came back with a picture of a dollar bill in
Speaker 2: a track, in a bigfoot track. This track was located
Speaker 2: in the top of moss, this stuff called sphagnum mosque.
Speaker 2: It's really spongy and really thick, and this bigfoot had
Speaker 2: enough weight to compress it enough to keep a shape
Speaker 2: in it to look like a foot where I put
Speaker 2: a full dollar in it, and it was probably I
Speaker 2: want to say, fourteen to fifteen inches long, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit bigger, but I didn't really tape it out.
Speaker 2: I put the dollar in it for reference, took the picture,
Speaker 2: and I got out of there, and I went back
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, I think I might have
Speaker 2: some verification for your story. And I showed him the
Speaker 2: track where I found and say, that's exactly where I
Speaker 2: saw it. And when he said he saw it, you
Speaker 2: could kind of where he was. You could you could
Speaker 2: see that area where if it was a bigfoot, it
Speaker 2: was down the if you're looking down a trail, it's
Speaker 2: kind of wooded on either side of the trail, and
Speaker 2: you got this long hallway of trees sort of and
Speaker 2: this bigfoot crossing at the end of the hall. That's
Speaker 2: what he said he saw, and and that's what I
Speaker 2: went down there and I saw a track, so I
Speaker 2: took it. It was a it's you know, rough sub
Speaker 2: straight out here. It's leaves, it's oaks, it stirred, it's rocks,
Speaker 2: truly tough stuff. So it's hard to get a track.
Speaker 2: And this happened to this foot landed straight in the
Speaker 2: middle of a sphagnum moss patch and it was just one.
Speaker 2: We actually did find another one, but it was disturbance
Speaker 2: in the leaves and it was five six feet away,
Speaker 2: but couldn't really say that was a big point. But
Speaker 2: that's right here, you know, half mile not even a
Speaker 2: half mile from my house.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, bredible it's incredible. You have the rapport
Speaker 1: like that with the local police chief where they're coming
Speaker 1: to you too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, we're where we do the Russell Family Funday
Speaker 2: we're involved with that is the Cobble Mob Critter Project,
Speaker 2: And like I said, next year we're going to be
Speaker 2: handing out pine trees and we're using their police badge.
Speaker 2: They're putting our logo on their police badge and that'll
Speaker 2: be a fundraiser for pine trees so we can hand
Speaker 2: those out and then we do Trunk or Treat. So
Speaker 2: if there's anybody in Western mass looking to help out
Speaker 2: with Trunk or Treat, that's October twenty first you check
Speaker 2: it out on the Russell Police page. They want to
Speaker 2: get some paranormal people out there, and you know, just
Speaker 2: make it big and fun, that's all. So. Yeah, being
Speaker 2: bigfoot and being in the community is the only way
Speaker 2: to get these people to talk to you. And you know,
Speaker 2: you're not so new to them anymore, you're not so
Speaker 2: scary anymore. You're just the bigfoot guys in Cumberland farms
Speaker 2: getting a coffee.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a huge, huge lesson for people
Speaker 1: to learn that are listening about. Yeah, I mean, just
Speaker 1: be nice, help out with the community and stuff will
Speaker 1: probably happen for you. Has been such a pleasure chatting
Speaker 1: with you, Tim and Eric, And do you mind just
Speaker 1: taking a few minutes to remind people how they can,
Speaker 1: you know, keep up to date with what you're doing,
Speaker 1: maybe talk about the festival. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: festival is going to be back for year two, how
Speaker 1: they can contact you and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, well, that's a good question. For contacting us.
Speaker 2: You can go to the Vogel Brothers Facebook page and
Speaker 2: Eric and I are there. You just leave a message,
Speaker 2: print out whatever you need to. That's the Vogel Brothers
Speaker 2: on Facebook. Then we have the Cobble Mountain Cruiter page
Speaker 2: and that hosts our outdoor education mostly on that page.
Speaker 2: And then we have the You'll see us on Instagram,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Instagram and whatever it does. We don't We're
Speaker 2: really not a social media giant. We don't really any
Speaker 2: and all that stuff having. We're more about research and
Speaker 2: get boots on the ground stuff and then we are advertising.
Speaker 2: So anyways, we'll probably change that down the road. But anyways,
Speaker 2: we also do the Coblon Mountain Creater Festival at least.
Speaker 2: We did that last year. It turned out to be
Speaker 2: really great. We had a lot of rain in June.
Speaker 2: We're looking to do it again. Yeah, right, we had
Speaker 2: some rains, but we had you know, people came out,
Speaker 2: they helped support it, which was really good. Yeah, for
Speaker 2: a first time event out in western mass We had
Speaker 2: over three hundred people show up in the middle of
Speaker 2: a rain poorner later the festival, So we were very
Speaker 2: happy with those numbers. This year we might do not
Speaker 2: this year. We're going to set it up for next year.
Speaker 2: I believe we're going to look we're changing up. We're
Speaker 2: going to do a researcher rendezvous and we're inviting any local,
Speaker 2: local meeting Northeast investigators research, you know through the East
Speaker 2: coast Northeast. We want to talk with you. We're interested
Speaker 2: about sharing information. We don't have a collective database where
Speaker 2: we can go and do all this stuff at, so
Speaker 2: we're going to provide a place. We're at the camp
Speaker 2: here in Russell, Mass we have thirteen hundred acres, We've
Speaker 2: got a huge building. I've got over one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty tents. If we do it at the right time
Speaker 2: of the year, you can stay at so Anyways, we're
Speaker 2: going to do a Researcher Rendezvoy, I believe in twenty six,
Speaker 2: and then in twenty seven we're going to bring back
Speaker 2: the festival, and again the festival showcases new researchers, new
Speaker 2: talent coming in people you're not going to recognize. Most likely.
Speaker 2: Some people might their locals that they investigate locally for
Speaker 2: but it's not a lot of big names, and these
Speaker 2: people are boots on the ground and they're getting it
Speaker 2: done and they deserve recognition, and there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of platforms for these people to get recognition. So the
Speaker 2: festival started in that vein to bring light to people
Speaker 2: that didn't have big names and big money and things
Speaker 2: like that. We're just people, you know, making it day
Speaker 2: by day, having fun, spending our money, our own earnings
Speaker 2: and our own time, chasing around Bigfoot and really that's it, guys.
Speaker 1: I love it, you guys, you guys get it. It
Speaker 1: is so good talking to you guys, and that idea
Speaker 1: for the future with the festival and the Researcher Rendezvous. Man,
Speaker 1: you are on the right path. Keep going and just
Speaker 1: thank you so much both to both you and Tim
Speaker 1: and Ervogel for coming on the show and sharing what
Speaker 1: you've experienced and what's going on out there in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having us are I appreciate it? Looking
Speaker 2: forward to part two.
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