1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,439 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsikos, I am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:11,039 you with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous. Mister 3 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:15,560 Grant hughes our offseason look ahead train rolls onward. We 4 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,679 are on to the recently and dearly departed from the playoffs, 5 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:23,920 not this earth Minnesota Timberwolves, although maybe the core is 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,920 gonna be, you know, kind of just bumped into oblivion, Grant. 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Before we hop into the vitals, the big question, the 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,280 central theme of this how are you feeling. 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm feeling great. I'm ready to get into this team. 10 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:35,520 We got an interesting one ahead of us. 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: I think the overarching question I think is will the 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,240 cost of talent retention break up the Timberwolves this summer, Grant, 13 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:45,439 And that's probably a good lean in to lead into, 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,079 excuse me, their vitals. But the big three agents that 15 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:51,759 they have are Niki, Alexander Walker is a free agent, 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,119 Julius Randall and nas Reed have player options, and so 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,840 that's the that's kind of what is going to determine 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,119 where they go from here. And so their vitals is 19 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:03,560 of right now, they project to be about eight point 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,200 six million into the tax, which is about eight point 21 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:10,120 six million beneath the second apron. This assumes that nas 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,159 Reed and Julius Randall pick up their player options and 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,439 then they keep the number seventeen pick. It does not 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,560 include even a cap hold for Niki Alexander Walker. I 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,959 think the question and where to start would be and 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,519 before I throw to you off frame it this way? 27 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:27,439 Can they keep all three without making major changes? Which 28 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:31,840 basically amounts to saying, can you pay these three a 29 00:01:31,879 --> 00:01:34,400 total of fifty four to fifty five million dollars combined, 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,680 like in a year to keep them? 31 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:37,799 Speaker 3: Yeah? 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,359 Speaker 2: I mean, so it's interesting that we started with with 33 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,040 these three guys because I kind of want to circle 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,239 just a little bit back, because I do think another 35 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,519 kind of threshold question that touches on this key issue 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,680 is like how will the team react to getting eliminated 37 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:55,959 in the conference finals? 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Like is it point? 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,719 Speaker 2: Based on some of the comments from the players, and 40 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:03,879 it's just kind of like I don't feel like there 41 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:09,159 is anything that is pushing them more towards drastic action, 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,680 more towards like, oh my god, this group is not 43 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:14,159 good enough. I think in all I don't know what 44 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:15,719 you thought about it, but it felt to me like 45 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:18,120 in a lot of their post game post elimination comments, 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,680 it was kind of just acknowledging, especially Anthony Edwards and 47 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,319 Mike Conley and their press are just like that Thunder 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,000 team is really good and it's like they played great, 49 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:29,599 they were better than us, And it was more an 50 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,479 acknowledgment of like we just ran into a monster as 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,159 opposed to like, oh, we we don't have it. You know, 52 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:37,039 it may be true that they don't have it relative 53 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,120 to the Thunder, but that's true of every team. So 54 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:41,840 I would say, before we get into this, I don't 55 00:02:41,879 --> 00:02:44,439 think the way that they lost, you know, and the 56 00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:47,680 way that their their postseason ended is going to spur 57 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:52,879 or like trigger any more like rash action than you know, 58 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:56,000 would have otherwise been on the table, like had they 59 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:57,759 made the finals or had they gone out in the 60 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:01,439 first round or whatever. Like, So getting back to that, 61 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,319 like the key question is how many of these three 62 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,039 guys can they keep? 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: What's it going to cost? Right? Like, go ahead? 64 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: Actually, I have a question to what you were saying though, 65 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:12,120 is I would agree that they just kind of ran 66 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:16,319 into a buzzsaw. But isn't that buzz saw the measuring 67 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,759 stick for every team that wants to contend in the 68 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:20,759 Western Conference moving forward? And so how do you not 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,199 read deeply into the results of that, like what changes 70 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,120 without making a single change? I guess I should say, 71 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,319 how do the Wolves end up beating this Thunder team? 72 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,840 And if the answer is they can't, then it's well, 73 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,000 I'm not saying you trade Anthony Edwards, That's not what 74 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:40,360 I'm getting at, but it's well, then why would you 75 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,199 continue to pay into the second apron when your twenty 76 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,680 thirty two pick is already frozen for a team that's 77 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:48,400 not good enough to beat the team? 78 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,439 Speaker 2: I think because and a lot of teams should think 79 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:55,759 this way. And I think because the goal should be 80 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,840 to get back to this point that they just got 81 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,599 to and hope for a little bit of organic growth 82 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,479 or a little bad luck on the Thunder, like what 83 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,759 if what if Jalen Williams has like a sprained knee 84 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,199 or a sprained ankle, or like what if the Thunder 85 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,360 have some It's just like as great as they are, 86 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,720 like nothing's ever a guarantee. So I think, whether you're 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,279 talking about the Thunder of the Wolves or any other 88 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,600 conference finalist or any other conference semifinalist, I think the 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,800 goal can't be how do we put together a roster 90 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,759 that's gonna be better than the Thunder's roster, like when 91 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:31,120 everybody's at full strength on page like because you can't. 92 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,120 So maybe that sounds like aiming low, but I think 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,600 it's just acknowledging reality and being like, we need to 94 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,759 just stay as good as we can realistically and within reason, 95 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,879 and just try to get back to this point and 96 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,800 maybe maybe we catch a break, you know like that 97 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,040 that doesn't that doesn't feel like like a defeatist path 98 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:51,720 to me. I think that's just like the smart way 99 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:53,800 to go about it. And I think that's true anytime 100 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,480 you have like a like the Dynastic war the Kde Warriors, 101 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,160 it's like, well the Rockets for example, where's like, well, 102 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,720 we're just gonna try to be as good as we can, 103 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,680 and like they if they don't miss a billion straight 104 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,199 threes and whatever game that was, they maybe they beat him. 105 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: You know, like there's so. 106 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,639 Speaker 2: Anyway that's that's kind of a broader league wide thing. 107 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,199 So can I give you my preference on what I 108 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,439 think would be best for the Wolves here, like midterm. 109 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,319 Speaker 3: Long term? 110 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,759 Speaker 2: I would like to get read an Alexander Walker back 111 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,839 hope Randall opts in and then try to move him 112 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,839 in a trade, because like I think, I think that's 113 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:31,120 not the most likely outcome. I think the most likely 114 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:35,720 outcome is is Alexander Walker gets an offer somewhere and 115 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:38,199 he's the unrestricted free agent, right, so, like I think 116 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:41,120 he's likely to get a decent offer and and just 117 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,519 not be back. I think Randall is Randall may just 118 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,879 pick that up and extend. I'd be okay with that, 119 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,800 depending on the number read I think you could, so 120 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,160 like we can get into this. I'm sorry if I'm 121 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,319 jumping ahead, but like, if you give him one hundred 122 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:57,000 and forty percent raise off of his opt in, you 123 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,480 get to like four for ninety two. I feel like 124 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:01,959 that's a night to keep him around. Maybe you don't 125 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:03,519 even need to go that high. 126 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: Did you see did you happen to see the viral? 127 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:08,120 And you know what, I can't even I don't know 128 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,240 if it's real or not because of what AI could do. 129 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,839 But he was having a DM with someone who I 130 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,759 guess lost a bet on it, and one of the 131 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,720 comments was like he was basically like, you're broken fat 132 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:18,639 and I'm about to get one hundred million dollars, and 133 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,040 so if you think that, but like the four year 134 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,920 ninety three, like this kind of right in line with 135 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:24,560 that mark. So maybe he's maybe he was dropping a 136 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,480 little bit of news in that DM argument. 137 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't know. 138 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: So that's that's we should probably go a player by 139 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:33,399 player to kind of busch down what the options are 140 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:34,519 if you'd like to do it that way. 141 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,079 Speaker 1: I think I think the way you put it was smart. 142 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:39,199 It's like what your preference would be, and I think 143 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:42,319 I wondering if the preferred route would be can you 144 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,000 the READ extension? So get him to opt in and extend. 145 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,759 I think that that makes the most sense for the 146 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,560 timb Wolves. You're kind of kicking the can on him 147 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,519 getting more expensive down the road, But that's what you 148 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,120 kind of have to do when you're at this level 149 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,800 and paying this much for a team. I them and wondering, 150 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,319 so let's use that fifty five million dollar number, assuming 151 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,720 they'll keep the number seventeen pick if you have that 152 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:04,000 fifteen million for Read, now you're down to forty. And 153 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:07,720 so if we assume that Nikkei Alexander Walker is going 154 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,240 to get the non tax payer mid level, which is 155 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:12,680 really all any them other than Brooklyn has to offer. 156 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,759 Let's just put that at fifteen. So now all of 157 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:18,319 a sudden, you're back down to twenty five. Is there 158 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,439 any universe in which like Randall is taking that as 159 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,199 part of a longer term deal of twenty five million. 160 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: He opts out and it gets three for I don't know, 161 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,759 sever five, or he's eighty something because it'll ascend a 162 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,000 little bit each year, or just like yeah, straight three 163 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:38,480 for seventy five, even or even four plus one change, 164 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,240 yeah plus one for seventy five, something like that. I 165 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:44,800 think there's I think that's realistic one because Randall can't 166 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,319 opt out and expect to do better somewhere else because 167 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,120 the Nets aren't gonna pay him market rates right like 168 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:52,639 he as if he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Talking 169 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:56,120 about Randall like he's not getting thirty million dollars, I 170 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,399 don't think from anybody. 171 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:00,839 Speaker 1: He's kind of cut from the brand in Ingram cloth, 172 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,560 or maybe Brandon Ingram's cut from there. They're both originally Lakers, 173 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,519 but where it's they're really good basketball players, but they're 174 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,800 just not easy to fit into your ecosystem. And I 175 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,680 would argue that he's probably even harder to fit into 176 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,720 your ecosystem than brandon Ingram, even if you think that 177 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,839 Randall's the better player. 178 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet if. 179 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm Julius Randall, I'm looking at with like, look at 180 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,160 what brandon Ingram just got from the Toronto Raptors at 181 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:23,680 forty plus million dollars a year. So yeah, my guess 182 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,560 would be, no, he wouldn't sign for twenty five. But 183 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,600 then you just said it, where is he getting more 184 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:32,639 than the non taxpayer mid level this stuff? So if 185 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:35,559 you could get four years and one hundred plus million 186 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,480 dollars when you're factoring in raises, do you just take 187 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:41,559 that security or would you, as him, rather opt in 188 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:44,399 have that thirty one million dollar number. Some of it 189 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,080 is incentives, but let's say thirty one million and then 190 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:48,919 roll the dice in twenty twenty six? 191 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,279 Speaker 2: Are yeah right, go one plus one? Like just this 192 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,080 is something like that. I think that's that's a possibility. 193 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,679 The reason I the reason I there's a couple of 194 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,600 reasons why my reference would be to look to just 195 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:04,399 trade Randal if you could, or try try to get 196 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:07,440 something for him. One the read and go bear minutes. 197 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,919 If you want to just imagine a wolves team Without Randal, yes, 198 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,360 you lose the playmaking, but I think maybe Edwards takes 199 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,919 a step forward there, maybe you get something from Dillingham 200 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,480 next year. Maybe maybe you backfill some of that secondary playmaking, 201 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:24,279 which is what Randal I think is most. That's I 202 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,440 think his most valuable contribution to the team is, like 203 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,799 he can't just be the other guy making plays besides Edwards. 204 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: Right, especially with where Mike Conley's at. 205 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: Right now, right, and you're gonna reduce Conley's role for 206 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:36,799 sure next year. But in theory, there are you know, 207 00:09:36,799 --> 00:09:39,200 maybe Terrence Shannon, what he showed, he's gonna play a 208 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,279 little more. Maybe Jalen Clark's gonna play a little more. 209 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:43,519 Those aren't like playmakers per se, but Shannon kind of 210 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,639 makes stuff happen. Read and Gobert together this past season 211 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,440 plus thirteen per hundred, and that's in nineteen hundred possessions 212 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,039 like that front core duo works. It actually weirdly feels 213 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:58,320 it would feel kind of strange like going with a 214 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:02,039 Read Gobert starting front because you've almost circled back to Towns 215 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:04,639 Gobert in a lot of respects and you just like 216 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,919 had Randall for a season. Although as I say that, like, 217 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:10,600 I don't know what you're trading Randall for if he's 218 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:12,879 opting in at thirty point nine, Like I just like, oh, 219 00:10:12,879 --> 00:10:15,159 we're going to get to that, okay, cool, because because 220 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,200 that's a harder thing for me, because the same arguments 221 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,200 you would make against a team signing him for a 222 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:25,240 deal starting at thirty million dollars this offseason, it's a 223 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:28,200 lot of the same arguments against that being realistic apply 224 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,159 to trading Julius Randall, Like who's interested in that? The 225 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:34,840 difference is like, well, there's just no cap space, and 226 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:37,440 teams might that don't have cap space might want Julius 227 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Randall at that number. 228 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 229 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: I'm eager to hear your your pitches on that front, 230 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,759 because it's it seems like a tough fit if you're 231 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:44,840 moving him as the Wolves. 232 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: Well, I think the value there is almost as it's 233 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,080 a very useful player on an expiring contract, and so 234 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,320 if your salary anchor, you could do much worse. But 235 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,039 that's we'll get to that a second. So when you're 236 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,759 looking at all of this, when you mentioned Jalen Clark 237 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:00,960 and Terren Shannon, that seems to lie up with what 238 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,039 I feel like has been the assumption of along of those 239 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,279 guys have a better chance of replacing a lot of 240 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,840 what Nikkeil Alexander Walker does than really anything that nas 241 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,799 Read or Randall do. And so I kind of have 242 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,320 just pentled this in as I don't know what the 243 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:17,440 construct is gonna look like of these returns, but it 244 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:19,799 kind of feels like nas Reid and Randall will opt 245 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,039 in get extensions, then Niki Alexander Walker's just gone. That's 246 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,399 like my most and maybe Julius Randall optin and doesn't 247 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,759 get an extension, but that's my that would be my 248 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,840 prediction of how this shakes out is those two are 249 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:32,639 back and Nikil Alexander Walker is not. 250 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: I think that's right because if you look at if 251 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:40,399 Brooklyn's gonna pay, if just we have to we keep 252 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,039 We're sorry, We're gonna mention Brooklyn like a trillion times, 253 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:45,320 even when we're not doing the Brooklyn off season. 254 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:47,919 Speaker 1: Every single trade that I build now is well, but 255 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,039 we need to send this salary to Brooklyn so that 256 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,240 none of these other teams get hard to right. 257 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: But but like if you're Brooklyn, of the three Wolves 258 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,399 potential free agents, Alexander Walker is is like, that's the 259 00:11:59,399 --> 00:12:02,080 guy you'd get of mid level money or slightly above, 260 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,840 and that would make sense for you because you could 261 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,080 flip him later or he might just that's a player 262 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,639 you want at that number. So like, I just I 263 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,720 think I think that's right if you are if you 264 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:14,840 are forced to say what's most like who's most likely 265 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:15,200 to be gone? 266 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:15,759 Speaker 3: It's just him. 267 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: And the point about you know, the youth on the 268 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:25,919 Timberwolves roster, like those guys don't replace a Randall or 269 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,240 Read nearly as easily as they replace Alexander Walker. That's 270 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,039 just like, that's just the way the roster's built. 271 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm what's gonna be interesting now, is though, and this 272 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:38,200 ties into it as new ownership is coming in and 273 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:41,080 so you have a rod Mark Ray and then they've 274 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,080 now sold off other parts of the team and done 275 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:45,559 quite well. So there is this messaging out there that 276 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,960 they're going to continue to pay through the teeth the Wolves. 277 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,159 As of right now, they could still trim this technically 278 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,519 before the league calendar new year starts a ninety plus 279 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:57,039 million dollar tax bill. Their twenty thirty two draft pick 280 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,559 is frozen. As we mentioned before, Tim only, by the way, 281 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,440 has like an executive's option. What do we call that? 282 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:02,519 Speaker 2: He? 283 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: But like he has he has a he's he can 284 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:08,000 be a free agent, right and I think that he 285 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,279 will kind of be the barometer of Okay, well, if 286 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,759 he stays, then you know that he at least believes 287 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:17,960 they're serious. But if he leaves, well then it's a 288 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,519 crap like this team is going to get into cost 289 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,039 cutting modes. So just based off whether it's your instinct, 290 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,679 what you know about when new ownership regimes take over, 291 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,080 what you've seen being said written, do you think that 292 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,159 there's any chance? But because if the Wolves are willing 293 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,480 to enter the season in the second apron, everything we 294 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:37,639 just talked about can be moved, like you can bring 295 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,559 back everybody and figure it out later, although it of 296 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,159 course is a lot harder. Do you see any scenario 297 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,039 in which this team stays, I won't even say stays, 298 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:48,080 enters next season in the second apron? 299 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,879 Speaker 3: Again, yeah, I do. I do see a scenario where 300 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:52,519 they enter it. 301 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: And maybe that's just because they're planning to trade Randall 302 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,600 and that's gonna get you out of it. But everything, 303 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,879 I think John Krasinski had a pretty thorough right up, 304 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,000 like a I guess you'd call it a post mortem. 305 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,919 And in that I it the signs to me were 306 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,919 that this new ownership group is very comfortable spending and 307 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,360 whatever the tax bill is going to be within reason, 308 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,080 like like that's okay, that's my reado, that's my sense 309 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,720 of it. Like certainly there haven't been, you know, super 310 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:23,720 clear indications. 311 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: I think the. 312 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:27,679 Speaker 2: Way that if Connolly is back, which does seem likely 313 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,120 because it in that same Krasinski right up he pointed 314 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,320 out that like this this ownership group like went and 315 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,720 got Connolly, like he's kind of their guy. Is is 316 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:40,799 the way that it was kind of laid out. So 317 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:44,840 one assumes that Connolly kind of priced in his like 318 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,639 or negotiated this executive option or whatever you want to 319 00:14:49,679 --> 00:14:52,399 call it, like one because he wasn't sure who was 320 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,279 going to own the team, and relatedly to didn't know 321 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,879 what the like spending tolerance was going to be. And 322 00:14:57,919 --> 00:14:59,919 so I think if you just kind of look at 323 00:14:59,919 --> 00:15:03,679 that holistically, the new ownership group seems comfortable spending in connall, 324 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,840 that's a good thing for keeping Tim Connolly. So uh, 325 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,840 you don't wanna, you don't want to go over the 326 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:12,080 second apron for the reasons you said, like that just 327 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,840 makes things harder, makes it's not as simple to get 328 00:15:14,879 --> 00:15:17,600 out of it because of all the restrictions that status imposes. 329 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: But you won't. You don't get dinged. 330 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: Until the end of the year, right, Like that's when 331 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,519 everything gets calculated, so you can make moves at the 332 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:27,960 deadline if you have to. And who knows, maybe there's 333 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:30,480 just better value in a Randall trade at that point 334 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,559 or in you maybe you or Alexander Walker for that matter. 335 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,679 I don't know, Like there's there's definitely it's not the 336 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:38,879 end of the world. If they come in over the 337 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:40,759 second Apron to start the season. 338 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,759 Speaker 3: I don't think you want to do that. 339 00:15:42,799 --> 00:15:45,519 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be stunned, would you if they If 340 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:47,159 they were just like, yeah, we're screw it, we're keeping 341 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:48,440 all three and we'll figure it out later. 342 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,759 Speaker 1: I honestly I would be stunned. I have and this 343 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:53,879 isn't I'm not even necessarily saying it's gonna be an 344 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:57,279 indictment of the way the new ownership regime like handles things. 345 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,360 It really feels like this is book the second Apron 346 00:16:01,399 --> 00:16:03,440 is going to become this taboo thing is that we 347 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:05,679 might see teams in it for a year, or if 348 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:07,799 we know, like if it was let's say the thunder 349 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,000 were up against this and they're not, or kind of 350 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:11,960 like what the Celtics were, whereas oh, they'll spend two 351 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:14,200 years in there. We were pretty sure before the Tatum jury. 352 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:17,200 I just think it's become Look at what happened with 353 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,240 the Suns. Look at even how restrictive like being in 354 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:23,039 the first Apron was for the Knicks this past year 355 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,039 when you're talking about building top and it's different when 356 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:28,399 you have proof of concept and the Wolves, to their credit, 357 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,720 the consecutive Conference finals appearance. This is insane. That's a 358 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:33,879 hell of an accomplishment. And as a fan, I would 359 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:35,799 just say, yeah, pay whatever, especially if you're not gonna 360 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:37,960 be able to make changes. Maybe you draft someone with 361 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,759 the number seventeen pick and they are able to contribute 362 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:43,720 on a cost control deal. I really just believe that 363 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,000 the second Apron is going to be this off limits 364 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:50,000 things for teams save for maybe a year or two, 365 00:16:50,559 --> 00:16:53,120 and that's going to be reserved for like you just 366 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,720 won the title, which the Wolves did not. And I 367 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,919 think the other problem here is, as we both noticed, 368 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:00,360 you had until the end of this year's in to 369 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,600 get out of the second apron. But like, because you 370 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:06,319 can't aggregate salaries, like you need to have a team 371 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,440 that has the flexibility to take back more money so 372 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,200 that you are ducking the second apron. And that all 373 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,960 depends on like Okay, so as of right now, let's 374 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,799 just say read and Randall opt in. If you're going 375 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:19,039 to go into the second apron for Alexander Walker and 376 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,720 he gets like mid level money, let's just say fifteen, 377 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,440 you're like six seven million dollars into the second apron, 378 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,400 and that's with another roster spot open, I believe, So 379 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,480 you're just gonna shave like eight nine million dollars in 380 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,039 a war, like while giving up one player in a trade. 381 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,720 I yeah, like mid season, that's what's rough. 382 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: You're right, I think, I think I think the maybe 383 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,480 I'm over I'm overstating the ease with which you can 384 00:17:43,519 --> 00:17:45,960 get out of that situation, because the second you're in it, 385 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:49,000 suddenly your options, just like several of them disappear. 386 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: What you could do, But I don't know, like I mean, 387 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,119 because you could look at it as like if things 388 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,160 go off the rail, since you can use ML's as 389 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,079 like trade exceptions, now if you kill Alexander Walker, you 390 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,640 just give him the exact amount of money that the 391 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,400 mid level exception is worth. Or maybe it's a conley, 392 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,440 like if it's mid season and it's right, this isn't 393 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,480 working out and like we need to get like you 394 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:09,759 can then get off him, or I guess the benefit 395 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:12,519 would be if Nikil Alexander Walker's on a multi year 396 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:14,799 deal because if look, that's the other challenge of this 397 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,200 is like if Randall just opts in and he's not extended, like, well, 398 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,599 then you can't move him, like after your season is 399 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,599 technically over before the league calendar resets, because he's a 400 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:26,359 free agent. So that's just why I'd be stunned. But 401 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,359 it's not You're right to say that it's not outside 402 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,160 the realm of possibility. And I think if you were 403 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,960 confident that you could say we'll trade player X, it 404 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,160 would have to be Commle or Nikil Alexander Walker. Those 405 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,440 are the salaries that would fit into the mL and 406 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,200 be large enough to get you out of the second apron. 407 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,240 If you're confident that you can just dump that mid 408 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,559 year that I would say you should absolutely go that 409 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,799 route because you're not hurting your team at all, you're 410 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:52,920 giving time to figure out, like can we bring Terren 411 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,759 Shannon Junior and Jail Clark into this? What does the 412 00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:58,240 number seventeen pick look like. There's also Dante DiVincenzo here too. 413 00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:00,400 I haven't mentioned his names, Like that's another number you 414 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,119 could use to move off. It's it's just such a 415 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,440 tricky situation for them. 416 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: Grant, Yeah, I think, I mean, this is this is 417 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,359 life now. If you're a very good team that's also 418 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:14,880 very expensive and just I don't know, I feel like 419 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,440 the way we have to analyze a lot of these 420 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,279 teams offseasons has fundamentally changed with the second Aprin Not 421 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:21,880 that that's news, but it's just like it really it's 422 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,640 a hard cap. I don't know, we've we've talked about 423 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,440 that a lot, but that's what it's starting to feel like. 424 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: Are you ready to get into probably what everyone's favorite 425 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,359 part of these look aheads are, and that's where their 426 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:35,359 biggest yeah, go ahead, biggest needs and trades. Would we 427 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,200 be in agreement that their biggest need is clearly like 428 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,160 they need to take some offensive pressure off of Anthony 429 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,119 Edwards because like Randall's series against the Thunder was not 430 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,640 I mean, yeah, it was an indictment of Julius Randall 431 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,480 a little bit. There's just gonna be certain teams where 432 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:52,759 he can't. And I think you could even say I 433 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:55,480 think Anvy Edwards is a fantastic basketball player, but I 434 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,680 really don't think he's ever going to be best suited 435 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,960 to as he's improved as a passer, he's even a 436 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:02,279 proved in his decision making out of double teams. I 437 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:04,559 don't think he's ever gonna be suited to be like 438 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,519 a heliocentric type like completely where it's James Harden level, 439 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,920 or like Pete Luca. I don't think that's I think 440 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,160 he's gonna be best weaponized where you can use him 441 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,559 more off the ball. 442 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: I'm not ready to foreclose anything for him. Normally, I'm 443 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,559 really quick to be like, oh, he's not that type 444 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:24,240 of player, like and and maybe maybe like maybe I've 445 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:26,440 just been burned too many times so that that that's 446 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,960 why I'm being hesitant to to foreclose, like I I 447 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,000 don't know, there's just I think I think you're right 448 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:35,039 based on what we've seen. It's just like he's not 449 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:38,119 Harden is an interesting type of comp like Harden is 450 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,799 just like a very he sees the game very differently, 451 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,160 like he just is a different type of player and 452 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,640 if but the question is, like, do you do you 453 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,039 even want Anthony Edwards, Like even if he could do 454 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,799 that in the in the the way the league is being, 455 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,559 you know, the way the game is played. Now, do 456 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:55,839 you even want Edwards to be like a super high 457 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,920 usage like everything runs through him type of guy. Probably not, 458 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:01,960 and especially not if if you're right that he's just never. 459 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:04,279 Speaker 3: Going to be like best utilized that way. 460 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,559 Speaker 2: So I do agree though that this was the same 461 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,200 issue that we talked a lot about when they got Randall. 462 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,519 It's like, well, if nothing else, Randall is a guy 463 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,440 that can make some plays, and like, foolishly we're like 464 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,359 Dillingham too, like he's gonna split some of that secondary 465 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,720 playmaking stuff as a rookie. 466 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: That was dumb in hindsight. 467 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,039 Speaker 2: I think that's right, that they just got to find 468 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:31,119 somebody that gives them another sort of offense generator that 469 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,559 isn't Edwards, that might unlock Edwards as like an off 470 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,480 ball guy like you're talking about, Is. 471 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: There any plausible scenario on which Rob Dillingham is that 472 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,160 player next season? 473 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: I think I still am very tantalized by the flashes 474 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,559 that we saw, and they were brief, just the quickness, 475 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:53,279 the like aggressiveness in his very best moments. I still 476 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,160 I still think there's something there. We saw so little 477 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,680 this year though, that it's like you can't you can't 478 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,640 go in to next year saying we a need and 479 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,599 be expect Rob Dillingham to be like a playoff level 480 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:08,759 secondary creator. 481 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: I think that's it. 482 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:12,599 Speaker 2: Could happen in year three or four, maybe, but we'd 483 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:14,240 need to see a lot more next year to feel 484 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:14,839 good about that. 485 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:17,839 Speaker 1: He's like kind of a human water wigglely the way 486 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:20,559 that he moves on the ball, there's the jitterbugginess there, 487 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:20,839 and that. 488 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,839 Speaker 2: Go I was gonna say, do agree that there's like 489 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,240 there's a fair amount to like just just in like 490 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:27,319 the eye test stuff. 491 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:29,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, the I don't think just And I think part 492 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:31,440 of it was he did deal with some ankle stuff 493 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,000 this year, I believe, and then to seldom usage he's not. 494 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:38,079 I don't think my opinion of him has changed. If anything, 495 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:39,519 I might be a little bit higher on him than 496 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:44,200 when they first acquired him. So I just I'm always struggling, 497 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,240 like this is why the two timeline stuff is so difficult. 498 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,039 I'm not saying that's what the Wolves were trying. It 499 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,599 was sort of a manipulated version of it, but it's 500 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,240 just so hard to get these high leverage prospects reps 501 00:22:57,319 --> 00:22:59,359 to grow on a team that's trying to win. Now. 502 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,480 I think there's probably more the Wolves could have done 503 00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:04,000 during the regular season, but you were like they were 504 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 like barely at five hundred for half the year, it 505 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:07,920 felt like, and so you didn't have that margin for 506 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,119 error to just say, hey, Rob Dillingham, go out there 507 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,960 and make mistakes, close some games and help that that 508 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,559 figure it out. Maybe if he goes to summer League, 509 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,279 that'll be like a big like, oh, could he have 510 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:20,680 one of those Desmond Baine type things where it's oh, 511 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,079 or he's ready now going into his sophomore year. 512 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 2: The other thing too, just to draw a comparison to 513 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,720 a player on his own team, like Terrence Shannon kind 514 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,519 of got his little playoff like I don't know, baptism 515 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,519 and he was awesome for a one five minute stretch 516 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:37,799 and then just got awful for another one. And it's 517 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,000 like Dillingham hasn't even done that step yet. Like the 518 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,559 expectation should be that, like Dillingham's first real playoff stint 519 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,039 will look like Shannon's a little bit where it's like 520 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:48,960 he looks good and then it's like, we have to 521 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960 take this guy off the floor immediately. He's killing us 522 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,279 like that. So you can't that's just reiterating like you 523 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:58,440 cannot expect Dillingham by next postseason to be someone that's 524 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,519 just like, we got how do we find into twenty 525 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,720 five minutes for this guy, like we must you know, 526 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:04,920 he's gonna I think he's gonna go through the Shannon 527 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,200 thing and maybe next year at least Shannon will be 528 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,000 like seventy five twenty five got a plan versus got 529 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,279 to get him off the floor, you know. 530 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: So you get into how do they go about addressing 531 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:17,599 that need if they're not willing to say it's gonna 532 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:19,960 be Dillingham or bust. And I don't think you need 533 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,440 to make an upgrade somewhere because okay, let's say Randall's back, 534 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,480 you'll still have Conley that clearly wasn't enough. We have 535 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:27,240 to start with the name that's being thrown out there 536 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,839 and has been. They were in on him towards the 537 00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:32,319 trade deadline. Should they be a Kevin Durant team, And 538 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,720 just for context, there's a couple of things that need 539 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:37,680 to happen. Here is one, Kevin Rant really needs to 540 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,079 force his way to Minnesota, because I don't think that 541 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,680 even if you include Dillingham and the number seventeen pick, 542 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:45,880 there's no way they're gonna have the best offer here. 543 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,799 There's and if they do, it's because they gave up 544 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,079 Jaden McDaniels, which I don't think that you want them 545 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,640 to do. Right. The other thing is, okay, then you 546 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,839 definitely need to be out of the second apron. So 547 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,160 you need to make sure that you're taking back less 548 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,079 money than you bringing in. So you're looking at multiple 549 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:06,039 players going out and probably a third and fourth team involved. 550 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:09,400 And the baseline cost to me, Grant is you correct 551 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,400 me if you think that this is off the rails. 552 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:16,880 You're looking at Randall Dillingham, the number seventeen pick, and 553 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,720 Dante DiVincenzo. And so what you've done at that point 554 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:23,160 is you've turned Rob Dillingham and Karl Anthony Towns into 555 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,480 Kevin Durant. Is what it feels like? Yeah, are you 556 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:27,759 doing it? That's what I'm asking you. 557 00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: I think If that, well, we can have a separate 558 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,680 cat conversation. Do you want to relitigate the Cat Randall 559 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,319 Devincenzo trade before we get out of here? I think, 560 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,119 I think for where the wolves are now, I think that, 561 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,319 I think I like that. 562 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: Do you not do that? If it's just. 563 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, I think you have to do that. 564 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,480 But you've now winnowed down your on ball creation because 565 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,720 like Kevin Durant is still fantastic, but like we've seen 566 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:58,240 him just under pressure in recent years, like facing the like, 567 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,359 it's just not the same as if you might even 568 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,359 trust Julius Randall a little bit more to set up 569 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,160 for his teammates out of double teams. At this point, 570 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,440 that's all. That's all I'm saying. And to lose him 571 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,599 and then your best prospect in that regard. So now 572 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:13,240 you're saying, okay, well we need to be healthier than 573 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,839 we were this past year or just as healthy. And 574 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,400 it's Conley, it's Durant, it's Edwards. And then I guess, 575 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,519 are you hoping to strike minimum contract gold or is 576 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:24,960 there a way for you to open up the mini 577 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:27,880 mle at that point? Probably not, like not, probably not, 578 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,720 definitely not, so your margin for error becomes slimmer. But 579 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:33,839 I think you you kind of said it at the 580 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,480 top of this discussion to where it's not that they 581 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:39,599 feel resigned, but it's they ran into the much better team. 582 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,119 So I don't know that running it back and hoping 583 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,839 for incremental growth from Clark, Shannon and Dillingham is gonna 584 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,039 get you over the hump. Kevin Durant might. 585 00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and if we agree that the biggest need 586 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,039 is taking pressure off Anthony Edwards, I would I would 587 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,039 posit that if Kevin Durant is on the floor with 588 00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,720 Anthony Edwards, he will see a lot fewer double teams 589 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,799 Like I just you cannot and certainly even double off 590 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,119 players other than Durant. But I just I'm envisioning all 591 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,839 the times where and by the way I think Edwards 592 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:10,720 made the right decision. 593 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 3: This has been the backlash to. 594 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: The backlash on Edwards is already like, well, and you 595 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,799 know we're I don't know what lap we're on with it. 596 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,599 But I thought Edwards generally offensively, like did the right 597 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,079 thing a lot against the thunder, Like I moved the 598 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,759 ball where it needed to go. He needs to be 599 00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:27,759 better at just like finding a way to draw a 600 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,160 foul or score or whatever. But like, I'm just not 601 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,400 gonna kill a guy for against the thunder defense, specifically 602 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,519 making a good pass to an open shooter pretty darn often, 603 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,240 Like I think. I think, I think that's about as 604 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:41,960 much as you could ask for him. I'm curious on 605 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,559 your take because it could I feel like you disagree 606 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,400 a little bit, but like I just before I give it, 607 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,920 hand it over, I think Durant being on the floor, 608 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,160 I would challenge someone to come up with a change 609 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,400 to the roster that would better address taking pressure off 610 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,960 of Edwards than adding Kevin Durant to the roster. 611 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 3: That's all go ahead. 612 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, you would 613 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,880 probably want like more on ball facilitation out of that, 614 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,119 but I think it's a trade that you would have 615 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,720 to make. My take was it's just ruined now is 616 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,480 I don't think he wanted it enough, and maybe if 617 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,480 he was married he wanted it, so. 618 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: I did forget that part. 619 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so I actually have an agreement economy. 620 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: I did mostly agree with what you said. I think 621 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,640 you're probably just you're still a little bit more open 622 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,559 minded on his offensive ceiling than I am. I don't 623 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,359 think he's reached it. I mean the development of his 624 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,799 pull up three pointer. I just feel like the way 625 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:35,799 the roster is structured right now, and maybe even a 626 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:38,039 little bit if you make the Kevin Durant trade, is 627 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:39,480 that you still need I don't want to call it 628 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,839 hegali O centric, but you need him to have more 629 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,960 of the James Harden like control and agency over the offense. 630 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,799 And that's not what I want to seem like he's 631 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:50,240 he's so good off the ball too, like the stuff 632 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,079 that he's able to move, like when he's able to move, 633 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240 excuse me, off the ball, I want to see him 634 00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,440 nudged in that direction. I think Kevin Durant certainly does that, 635 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440 But my question would be does he do that he 636 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,759 takes fresh off edwards, So you have to make that deal, 637 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,160 but it's you know, is that but first of all, 638 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,559 is that package like if you're a phoenix, like that's 639 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,519 one you take if you're trying to be competitive now 640 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,839 and I guess, and what's the salary that you're getting 641 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,680 rid of in that? Because you can't take back all 642 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,880 that money. That's that more than Camra Durant makes the Phoenix. 643 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: I just I'm never gonna have a read on Phoenix, 644 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440 Like I just I'm fascinated to see like what they 645 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,440 do ultimately prioritize in the Durant trade that is imminent. 646 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,359 So yeah, I don't I don't know how to how 647 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,400 to assess like would they view that as the best 648 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,160 offer or whatever? 649 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: But like I might honestly, I might not even have 650 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,480 included enough money grant. 651 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: I mean, well yeah you could, you might have to. 652 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: The thing is the Wolves they have a lot of 653 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,720 like they don't have really any like unmovable contracts. It 654 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,119 doesn't you know, maybe you think Gobert, like go Bear 655 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,599 is a weird fit because you have to kind of 656 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,119 have a certain environment for him to make a lot 657 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:58,480 of sense in. But like they can put you put 658 00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:01,119 the Vincenzo in it, put whatever you know, Reid can 659 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,079 be whoever. There's like there's a lot of different configurations 660 00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,519 that the Wolves can get to, and yet it still 661 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,119 feels like, how is it possible that they could get 662 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,319 Kevin Durant? And yeah, but I mean it is like 663 00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:13,200 it's doable. 664 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: It just might take because look, so we have Donta 665 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,119 Evian Chnzel's basically twelve. You attach him to randle It. 666 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,480 Let's say thirty one. That's forty three. The number eight 667 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,359 pick cap Hold is gonna be at this year or no, 668 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,400 number seventeen. I'm calling it number eight. That's four point two. 669 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,920 And then Dillingham will be at what next season? He well, 670 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,799 he wasn't number eight pick, so he'll be He'll be 671 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,960 some money, but not a ton six point six. That's clod. 672 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,960 You're probably gonna need to include more money. That's insane. 673 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,279 So now we're talking about five for one. That's that's insane. 674 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's tough. 675 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: Well, if you're Durant, all things be because you said 676 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,920 at the top, like Durant sort of one element of 677 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,640 this is he's gotta say, like, it's Minnesota, please, Like 678 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,359 that's where I want to be if you're him as that, like, 679 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,799 because there are plenty of other teams Tiams that he 680 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,599 could direct himself to and like Houston or whatever, San Antonio. 681 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, like. 682 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: Where where else might the Wolves are. They're on the 683 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,839 short list, or at least they should be in my opinion. 684 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: In terms of like, if you wanted the best chance 685 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,039 at winning a title next year, and you're looking at 686 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,799 what's left over after the deal. If you're gonna tell me, 687 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,839 Anthony Edwards, Jade McDaniels, Rudy Gobert, and nas Red with 688 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,799 an outside chance of Gnab being there, still Minnesota is 689 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,039 a really good pick you might prefer. I don't even 690 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,039 know if you would prefer San Antonio because they're so 691 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:34,880 kind of early in their timeline. You would probably prefer Houston, 692 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,279 but we don't know if they're gonna be interested in 693 00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,960 someone that old. And then I'm trying to think of 694 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,759 the only other team. Miami's a no. 695 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:41,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. 696 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: People keep mentioning the Knicks. I just don't like, what 697 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,480 are we doing? Just a Karl Anthony Towns for Durant trades? 698 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,559 Straight up? That doesn't involve the Sons getting Karl Anthony Towns. 699 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,039 I don't like. So maybe that would be a team 700 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,279 you prefer, but even then probably not. Denver would be 701 00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,359 interesting if you had the chance to play with Jokic 702 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,319 and sure Murray, that might Gordon, that might be the one. Boy. 703 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: How do you do? 704 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: Well? 705 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 3: This isn't it this? 706 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: Well? We did it on the Nuggets podcast. It was 707 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,440 basically h It would not basically it's Porter Junior, and 708 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,880 there are all their other salaries plus whatever, like pick there, 709 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,400 and then you have to include like one of your 710 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,799 young guys, like is it Peyton Watson? Is it? Do 711 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,960 you have Christian Brown in that deal? They probably wouldn't, 712 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,960 but that I think of all the teams we mentioned, 713 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,839 Houston and Denver would be the teams that would be 714 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,559 most tempting to me relative to Minnesota. And I think 715 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,599 you could make a case for Minnesota over I would 716 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,920 say either one of them, right, yeah. 717 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,559 Speaker 2: I mean they've made it farther than either of those teams. 718 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:36,480 So that's what's if you're Durant and you're like, I 719 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:41,559 got my time in this league is dwindling, like Minnesota 720 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,039 being a conference finalist, and all we know for sure 721 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,119 is that Minnesota wasn't as good as just this potentially 722 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,160 dominant you know, gonna be there for years Thunder team, 723 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,240 Like I would maybe lean Minnesota, honestly. 724 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,799 Speaker 1: Is there any names that'spring to mind if you're looking 725 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,599 out Okay, like Kevin Durant's off the table here as 726 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,759 of right now. I mean if if Randall and if 727 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:06,440 Randall and nas Reid excuse me, I can't think right 728 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,119 now opt in and gnaws leaving you will have access 729 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,960 to the Mini mid level. Exception, is there like a name, 730 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,319 like can you get Malcolm brogged in for that? He 731 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,480 might be interesting here? Is that too redundant? If you 732 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,680 want Dillingham to play and you still have Mike Conley, Like, 733 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,759 I just don't like, do you like, what does it 734 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,960 Danthony Melton go for? If he's healthy, he might be 735 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,920 interesting on that team. Is sort of a naw replacement 736 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,599 that's cheaper. 737 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. That would be an interesting one. I mean, 738 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:34,960 like the the you know, we'll run into this a lot. 739 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,319 The crop is pretty limited, especially with the Mini mid level. Like, 740 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,759 that's not gonna get you, I don't know, does not 741 00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:43,799 get you Tied Jerome, that's not gonna get you. Maybe 742 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,799 that gets you one of the Joneses, like Trey or Tyss. 743 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,319 But then like, what's what's the difference. If Mike Conley 744 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,200 probably is still better than either of those guys, you're 745 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,000 not gonna get in the Malik Beasley. 746 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 3: Maybe that gets you Gary Trent Junior? But how much? 747 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,039 Like why do you that isn't that? 748 00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:00,759 Speaker 2: The weird thing about Minnesota is it's like the addition 749 00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:03,279 they need to make is like a super high level 750 00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,079 offensive creator and the tools they have other than a 751 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,759 trade is just like you can't get that guy. 752 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like even you know when you mentioned the 753 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,159 I guess one of the Jones is like in terms 754 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,679 of table setting, but like Dennis Shruder would be a 755 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,119 no D'Angel, you are not gonna reunite with D'Angelo Russell is. 756 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 3: And they can't. 757 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: What are you doing anything for you? 758 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,559 Speaker 2: Grant Well, that might be someone that would fit into 759 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:29,000 that that exception, but like the other like Russell and Shruder, 760 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:30,920 I think are gonna be get more than that. 761 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's also a good point. Uh Chris Paul, 762 00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:40,000 Oh hmmm, can you just have like age fifty Mike 763 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,639 Commy and Chris like well, Bill dam is learning from 764 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,480 both of them, that's sure. 765 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah you oh man, I feel like you would need 766 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,800 Mike Conley to like protect Dillingham from Chris Paul just 767 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,000 like personality wise. 768 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 769 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 2: I think again, as we've gotten all the way through this, 770 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,760 I do think I'm all the way back at where 771 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,360 I started, which is you just kind of bring back 772 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,880 two of your three big free agents and you just 773 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,239 hope you get enough organic improvement, and you're at this 774 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,480 stage again in the conference finals, and you just get 775 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,440 a little luckier, or you get a little better and 776 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,000 the other team you face gets a little worse. 777 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. 778 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: Well, I guess the only other thing I'd ask you 779 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,400 is independent of a Kevin I wanted to ask you, 780 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,639 is independent of a Kevin Durant. Trade do you consider? 781 00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,800 I think when you're looking at your financial resource allocation 782 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,719 with how much Read, Randall and Gobert would be making 783 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,880 moving forward, is there just what is the level of 784 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,519 player that needs to get you like coming back in 785 00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,039 a trade that gets you thinking about what's trade one 786 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:43,199 of these guys. 787 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 3: Like so just let's say it's Randall or or even can. 788 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: You get to a point and say, like is there 789 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440 a case to say why isn't it Read or why 790 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,360 isn't it like should you be looking at moving Gobert 791 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,880 who the defense is always going to be there, but 792 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,000 he like there are just offensive matchups for him, like 793 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,199 going up against certain defenses where he's just not a 794 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,480 good offensive player. 795 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Gobert is an interesting I 796 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,159 just don't know what the trade market would be for 797 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,519 a player just that that has such a really does 798 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:19,719 still still is like a defense under himself, but increasingly 799 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,400 is like he's just killing us on offense, like he 800 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,760 just he can't catch the ball, he's in the way 801 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:29,199 all this stuff. Like so what I mean, Like that's 802 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,639 the thing is like if we trade Randal, how how 803 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,960 easy is it trading Randall to get a player that 804 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,639 just on balance is better than Randall? Like you might 805 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,239 get a steadier player, but I don't think you're getting 806 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,199 one that could, in a couple of playoff deep series 807 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,760 playoff games, be the best player out there, which he 808 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,039 did like a couple times. Like I don't think you 809 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,360 get that guy by trading Randall. You get the guy 810 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,400 that's like, well he was our fourth best player for 811 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,000 most of this series or something. Well we got two bodies, yeah, yeah, yeah, 812 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,599 something like that. 813 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,519 Speaker 1: Would you if you were trading for Kevin Rant would 814 00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:01,679 you prefer to give up Julius Randall as opposed to 815 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,800 Rudy Gobert as the Timberwolves? 816 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 817 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,599 Speaker 1: I would. 818 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 3: I think I think I don't trust. 819 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: To read random minutes enough to say, yeah, go ahead 820 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,119 and trade Gobert. 821 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,119 Speaker 2: Yeah No, I think you they're for better or worse 822 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:14,039 I think they're kind of hooked in with Gobert for 823 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,360 another couple of years at least. 824 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: My final on here is Donta. Evencenzo's extension eligible for 825 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,480 three years and sixty four point five million, he's still 826 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,880 making just under the mL for the next two seasons, 827 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,000 which is kind of wild if he would sign that. 828 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,000 I don't know he had a rocky end, but I 829 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,920 might consider offering it to him just to kind of 830 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,119 preserve the asset at a cost that's not going to 831 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:32,840 be prohibitive. 832 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's I think he's probably movable. That's 833 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,239 the only thing I would consider is like is he 834 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,400 tradeable for value on this deal? Because you can't be 835 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,159 in the wolves overall financial position and just be extending 836 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,480 guys like at what is he the Sometimes he's the 837 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,559 six man's I guess he could start, but other times 838 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,440 he's like ninth, you know, like, you can't be spending 839 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,400 twenty plus million on that guy if you are stuck 840 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,000 with him. 841 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,599 Speaker 1: Most likely player to be traded or leave other than 842 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:06,800 Nikhil Alexander Walker, hmm, I'll. 843 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 3: I'll just go Randall. I don't feel great about it. 844 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,039 Speaker 1: I almost I'm just gonna I'm for variations. I'm gonna 845 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:16,800 say Mike Conley, I think he's probably too important to 846 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,559 the culture. But I really think that there's gonna be 847 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,039 some cost cutting concerns here. I honestly think that we're 848 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:23,719 headed in that direction. I don't think it's gonna cause 849 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000 the complete disillusion of the Timberwolves, but I don't think 850 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,239 it's being I guess it's being talked about a bunch, 851 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,639 but I don't. I don't think we I still don't 852 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:33,639 think we all collectively understand like the gravity of how 853 00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,000 teams are gonna approach the second Apron stuff. 854 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 3: It's gonna be fair. 855 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,079 Speaker 2: The Wolves are gonna be one of the most yet 856 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,519 another interesting like test case for like what are we? 857 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 3: How do we operate? 858 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:43,679 Speaker 2: Now? 859 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: The Celtics were supposed to be that team until the 860 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,519 Tatum injury. Now it's like, well, they have no choice 861 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:49,360 but to do this, and so like after them, it 862 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,519 might just be the Wolves is the best case study 863 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,800 for it. Anything else on that before we skidada. 864 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 2: I think that's gonna do it. Thanks everybody for listening, 865 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,159 for watching. Let us know what you think. The Wolves 866 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,960 have one of the more interesting offseasons ahead, So let 867 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,800 us know what you think they will do, should do 868 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,840 all that stuff. Remember, please rate, review, subscribe wherever you're 869 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,639 consuming this fine podcast content, and tell your friends, Tell 870 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,599 our enemies, join our discord. Thanks for that YouTube podcast description. 871 00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,599 Speaker 3: It's gonna do it, shouts Frank Lakina. Apologies, Jared Allen