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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another

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live stream episode of dog Man Encounters Radio. We really

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appreciate you joining us in our day to day lives.

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It's funny how we take so many things for granted.

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It's almost like we get too comfy and we think

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we know what's coming in, what we shouldn't have to

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worry about, what can't happen to us in our lives. Well,

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tonight's guest is a testament to the fact that while

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we all might think we have a certain level of

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control of our lives, things can hit us just out

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of the blue that you never saw coming, you wouldn't

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even imagine could possibly happen. I'm not going to get

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into details on that right now. I'm going to let

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tonight's guest explain to you what happened to him, and

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when he does, it's just going to blow your mind

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the way it blew my mind when he told me

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about what had gone down. Without any further ado, let's

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bring tonight's guest on. Tonight's guest is Ryan. Ryan, thanks

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so much for coming to the.

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Speaker 1: Show, coming back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for coming back. You're right for

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everyone listening. Ryan was a guest. He was featured on

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episode two fifty, and like he brought to my attention

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before we started tonight, here this is episode five fifty,

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so this is exactly three hundred episodes later, that he's back.

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I hate the idea of.

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Speaker 1: That, exactly. I passed to go three hundred times, but

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unfortunately did not collect the two hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you did. I like the fact that you're back tonight,

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so we get to catch up on what you've been

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going through, except for one aspect of it. Of course,

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a listeners are going to hear. But yeah, I hate

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the idea that you're back because he had another encounter

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that's not good.

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Speaker 1: Now, a dog man encounter is never good, but it

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can be educating, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes it can. Yeah, they almost always are. And speaking

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of that, I saw a comment in the live chat

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before we went live where someone said that they hope

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it's a good one tonight. I think it's going to

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be a good one. Well, there are no good dog

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Man encounters except ones that never happened in the first place.

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I tried to make a comment on that in the

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live chat, but I got a message from YouTube. That

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YouTube thought my comment was actually spam, so it blocked it.

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There's some interesting problems with doing this the live streamway.

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I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: I think they're algorith that might be broken on that.

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Speaker 2: One might be. Yeah, if it's not one thing, it's

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been the other and all I've been having problems. But anyway,

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like I told you before, Ryan, I'm so glad that

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you hear. Thanks again so much for coming back. We

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really do appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: That's no problem we do.

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Speaker 2: And for all the listeners who might have missed episode

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two fifty, which that's been about five years now, four

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to five years, please tell us about yourself, please give

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us a bio.

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Speaker 1: So, like I know, my name is Ryan. At the

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time of the first episode, I was twenty three or

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twenty four. I'm twenty nine now, so I'm getting on

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up there. Born and raised in North Georgia. For the

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longest time, the Chattahooche National Forest was my backyard. It

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covers pretty much all of North Georgia and a vast

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part of Tennessee and the Carolinas as well. And I

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grew up in those mountains, you know, fishing, camping, hiking,

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off roading. You know, I'm a huge car enthusiast, a

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huge cheap enthusiast. You know, if I wasn't working, or

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you know, once I graduated, if I wasn't at school,

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if you were looking for where I was, I was

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probably up there somewhere. So I've spent my whole life

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out in the woods, and I thought that I had

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encountered everything that there was. But I found out one

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night that I was sorely, sorely mistaken. So this was

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a man probably twenty seventeen. It's been seven years ago

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this encounter happened. Probably I had two friends, Colin and Walker,

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and it was a Friday night and they called me

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and they were like, well, hey, we've got nothing going

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on tonight, are you busy. I'm like, no, I'm not

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doing anything at all this week, and why what's up?

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And Colin he was from a place up in West

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Virginia called Ghent, and Walker he was from Los Angeles.

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So Colin he grew up in the Appalachian Mountains, so

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he was a big, burly, redneck dude. Walker he was

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a complete city slicker. He had never really been deep

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in the woods. You know, he'd been fishing and camping,

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but you know, glamping more be described as what he

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would do. So he was like, I think it would

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be cool to take walker deep up in the mountains

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and take them, you know, on some trails and mud

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riding whatever. I was like, Yeah, let's do it. Well,

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it was during the summertime, and it had rained for

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a lot of that week, and actually the week before

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it was we were just having torrential downpours. And if

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anyone that is listening has ever off roaded, especially rock crawling,

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rain changes the dynamic of the trail. So, by the

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grace of God, we had the top and doors on

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my jeep because I did not feel like cleaning mud

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out from the interior for the next day. Well, we

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get up to the trail. It was early in the morning.

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I can't remember the exact time, but it was after midnight,

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probably one point thirty two in the morning, if I

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had to guess. And we're going through the trail, we

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were doing the easy part, We're getting up to the

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hard part. We do the first initial hard part and

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we get up to a much easier basically a dirt

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road section that bridges the two the hard sections. And

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while I think it was Colin told me that he

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needed to take a week, and I'm like, yeah, I

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got you also. So we get out, go to opposite

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sides of the trail, you know, take a week. Well,

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we're going to get back into my jeep, and that

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is when we initially heard the first call of the

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dog Man. It was this. I described it last time

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as a how screech scream all meshed up into one

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demonic noise, and to this day, I still stand by

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that that is the best description that I have of it.

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And we get back in the jeep and Walker he

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didn't actually get out. It was just me and Colin

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the gut out and we look in the back seat

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and he was like, what in the world was that?

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And the truth was, I didn't even know what it was.

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Like I said, I'd been in the woods my whole

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life and I had never heard anything that sounded anything

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like that at all. You know, I was thinking it

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was like a coyote in distress, or it was a bobcat,

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or it was some kind of bear that you know,

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was you had some kind of deformity or something, because

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I mean, everything that came to mind was an animal

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that was not right and That's the only things that

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came to mind was that's an animal. That's not right

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some way, somehow. Well, Colin gave me this look, and

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it was this look like I don't know what that

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was either, but I don't want to say anything, because

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Walker had never been in the woods and we were

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trying to introduce him to the woods as like, hey,

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this is a safe haven, you're good here. It turns

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out that that terrible introduction. Anyway, So we get up

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to the next heart section, and this section is a

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lot more technical, and we are coming up to it

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was actually the entrance right before it, and the headlights

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caught something. And I had led headlights in the jeep.

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They were aftermarket and they were ridiculously bright. If I

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was going down the road at night and flick the

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high beams on, they would light up street signs, you know,

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three fourths of a mile away, and that's no exaggeration.

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They were insanely bright. And the cutoff for the low

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beam was a pretty good distance. So I caught something

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and the cut off of low beams and I hit

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the brakes. Now I was like, did you see that.

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My friend looked to me and he goes, no, no,

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what he missed it. He didn't see it. He goes, no,

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what was it? I was like, I don't know. So

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I flicked the high beams on. And when I flicked

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the high beams on, in the middle of the road,

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on all fours was a creature like I had never

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seen before. And the first thing, this is the part

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that stuck out to this day, it sticks out to

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me the most. The thing that I noticed right away

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was its coat. Its coat absorbed every bit of light

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that those headlights were putting off. Like I said, these

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were full aftermarket housing led headlights specifically for wranglers, specifically

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four off roading. They are stupidly bright and they reflect

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off of everything. They did not reflect off of this

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dog man's coat. It absorbed it like a black hole.

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I was like wow. I was like, the coat on

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that bear is unlike anything I've ever seen. I've seen

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brown bears, I've seen black bears, you know, in my

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travels out west, I've seen grizzly bears. I had never

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seen a bear that had a coat like that. Well,

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that's when it stood up and I very quickly realized

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that that was not a bear. So it stood up

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and this thing on its back legs, probably in relation

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to how big my jeep was was maybe seven seven

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and a half eight feet at the most tall. It

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was huge. And Walker he's like, that's a werewolf. I'm

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like no. I was like, I didn't know what it was.

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last thing I needed was him freaking out. I was like, no,

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I was like, it's a bear. I was like, you're good,

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it's just a bear. It's got mange. It's a bear,

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you know. I was just trying to play it off.

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It was gone. It just disappeared. And I had never

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seen anything move that fast, and it honestly moved so

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fast that at first I thought we were all hallucinating,

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is nothing that can just be there and be gone

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that quick, but dog Man can. So we keep going

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up the trail. We finally get to the super hard

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part of the hard part, and like I said, it's

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super wet, super technical. I'm having to go really really

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slow because if you go fast, you risk breaking your vehicle,

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and it was just us, just the one vehicle. I

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didn't have any way to repair my vehicle if it

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broke up there because all of my tools and all

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my spare parts were in my garage. So I was

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going slow. Well, we heard that screech again, except this

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time it was a lot closer, and for some reason,

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I hit the brakes, and when I did, in the

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rear view mirror in the rear window of my jeep,

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I saw this thing and its head filled up the

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entire rear window of my Wrangler. Now I had a

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soft top and aftermarket soft top, and from one corner

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of the other, and I did measure this. Actually from

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one corner of the other, that top is or the

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window is thirty six inches diagonally. This thing filled up

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almost all of the rear window. Then I saw the clause.

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The claws drug from one corner of the window all

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the way down. And if anyone knows anything about jeeps

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or those polyurethane soft windows that they have, they can

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be punctured actually quite easily, but it's never a clean slice.

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You could take the sharpest knife you have in your kitchen,

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go up to one and it'll puncture it. But if

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you drag it, it's going to catch and it's going

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to actually stretch the plastic versus you know, actually slice

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through it. It's more of a stretch than than a slice.

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This thing's claws were so sharp, and they were probably

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half an inch wide to an inch Wie, they were huge.

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This thing's claws were so sharp that it was a

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clean slice. And when I say clean, I mean surgically

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precise slice. And I threw caution to the wind. I said,

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screw this. I was like, if I break my vehicle,

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I break my vehicle. But I'd rather have that than

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anything else. And I high tiled a pata there. I

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mean I rally car status to that jeep through that trail,

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and then we finally got back onto the main road,

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which took us down through hell and Georgia, through Cleveland, Georgia,

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and then back down to where I was from. And

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nothing was really said. The only thing that was said,

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and he was trying to light the situation because none

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of us could really wrap our minds around what we saw.

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And he was like well, hell, Ryan, you'd never told

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me that trail took us to Skyrim. I was just

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like yeah, I was like, uh, yeah, you know, cool.

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But the whole time I'm thinking, like, what in God's

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name was then? And for a long time, you know,

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I it was something I would think about, but then

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I would forget it happened, and then something just out

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of the blue would remind me like, oh yeah, I

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wonder what that thing was on a trail that night.

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And for about a year, year and a half somewhere

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around there, I just sort of occasionally would wonder, like, huh,

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what was that? Well I got I was selling cars

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at the time, and I actually got out of the

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car sales industry and started working for a collision center

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as a manager. We needed a receptionist, so I hired

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a lady whose name was Denise, and Denise, you know,

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she came on. And one thing that I liked to

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do when I hired new people is all the people

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that worked the front end, I would buy them all

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lunch and we would sit in the conference room and

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we'd all have lunch together, so we were, you know,

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we could all get to know each other. So we're

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sitting around the table and I'm letting you, Denise introduce herself,

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and she was like. I was like, well, Denise, what's

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one fun fact about you? That's one thing I would

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ask all new hires. So I give us one fun, quirky,

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random off the wall fact about you, so something we

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can make fun of you for or get, you know,

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something will have in common or whatever it is. And

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she goes, well, I used to be a paranormal investigator.

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And everyone just sort of stopped eating, because, you know,

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rather you believe in the paranormal, whether it be cryptids

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or ghosts or spirits or whatever, whether you believe or not,

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paranormal stuff has a very very good way of drawing

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even non believers in. You know, even if you take

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them just for their story value. They're great stories and

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people love listening to anything paranormal. So I was already hooked.

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I was like, Okay, this woman's going to be cool.

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I need to talk to her. Well, she threw a

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question back at us. She was like, well, how many

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of y'all have had a paranormal encounter? She goes, or

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just any encounter that you cannot explain, and you know

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you had. We had the typical sort of mix of

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response is when I was a kid my door had

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opened randomly, or yeah, my grandmother's house, we would hear

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whispers in the night or whatever. She looked to me,

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just dead in the eyes. It's almost like she knew.

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She was like, well, what about you, Ryan, you ever

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had anything that you just can't explain happened? And now

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it was like, okay, God, You've put this woman in

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my life for some reason, but I'm about to find

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out why. I told her. I was like, well, I

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was like yeah. I was like, but I don't want

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to go into it right now. I was like, before

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we leave tonight, though, I was like, come find me.

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I was like, we'll walk out to our cars together

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and you know, and I'll tell you what happened. She goes, okay, Well,

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that night comes and she comes to my office, knocks

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on the door. She goes, all right, she goes walk

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with me. So I walked with her. Excuse me, And

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she goes, well, you know, normally, when I ask anyone

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if they've ever had panalle on my counter and they

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say yes, I'll tell you, but yeah, I just wanted

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to be one on one. She goes, what they saw

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was either really made up or it was really real.

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I was like, well, I can tell you that what

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I saw was really real. It was definitely not really

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made up. I was like, and I've got two of

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my best friends this witness also and I told her

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the same story that I just told Joel, and she

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was like, well, that sounds to me like a dog man.

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I'm like dog man. And I was like, I've never

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heard of a dog man and she's like, oh, yeah,

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a lot of people haven't. I was like, I've heard

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a big foot, I've heard of offman, I've heard of

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skin walkers, I've heard of all this stuff. I was like,

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but I've never heard of dog man. She goes, oh yeah,

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she goes, well, we do some googling. She goes, look

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it up. See what you think, see if that match

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is what you saw. So that night, when I went home,

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I went on YouTube and just looked up dog man.

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Actually saw your channel. But you know, I kept scrolling

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down because I was wanting to find videos, you know,

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people captured on camera or whatever. And I came across

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a video and I cannot remember now what the title

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of it was, but the premise of the video was

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two guys. I think they were actually about teenagers or

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even younger. They were out in the woods somewhere just filming,

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just randomly filming, not filming anything in particular, and while

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they were filming, they unknowingly captured a dog man looking

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around like a tree, trunk or stump or it was

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looking around something at them. And when they went back

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to view the video, I guess that's when they saw it,

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and they edited to slow it down and they put

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it on YouTube. Like I said, I can't remember what

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the name of that video was. It's been so long ago.

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But when I saw the slowed down portion the head

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came around the corner of the tree, it sent a

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chill down my spine. I was like, I text Colin,

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sent him the link to it, and I was like,

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watch this. Tell me this is not what we saw

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on the trail a year and a half ago. And

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he watched it and he responded back very quickly actually,

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and he was like, Weyleb, he goes to a t

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he goes, that is exactly the face that we saw

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in your rear window. And from there I started doing

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more research, went back to your channel, started listening to

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some of you know, the stories and all that found

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your website and submitted my initial story and he was like, yeah,

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you know, I would love to be on your show.

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And that was show two fifty and now here we are,

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three hundred episodes later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, it is really hard to

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believe that so many episodes have gone by.

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Speaker 1: I know, four or five years. Knocking on the door

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of six, I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, getting pretty closed, really close.

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Speaker 1: I'd say.

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Speaker 2: It was asked in the chat. I probably shouldn't ask

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this until after you've told us about your second encounter,

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but I want to address this now. Of all the

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movie were wolves out there, which one would you say

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most closely resembles the one that was looking through the

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back window?

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Speaker 1: Okay. You know what's funny is I am not much

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of a movie watcher and I actually don't really get

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into horror movies, believe it or not. When it comes

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to movies, I am a classic James Bond and Indiana

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Jones type of guy. My favorite movie though, is Oppenheimer

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Fantastic of y'all, I've never seen it. But werewolf movies,

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I believe it or not, I've never actually really watched

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a lot of them. If anyone has ever played Skyrim,

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and they have. You've come across the werewolves that are

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down in like the swamplands in the woods. That is

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the closest thing that I can think of to this

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is a video game reference, of all things. But take

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the creature from Skyrim and put the head of a

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Doberman on it, and that is pretty much how I

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would describe it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't pan a pretty picture, does it.

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Speaker 1: No? Definitely not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it doesn't. I touched on this right

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at the very top of the show where I was

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talking about how you think that you know what to

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expect out of life. You don't expect any true blind

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size or anything like that. But what I'm getting at

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here is, unfortunately you spent four years in prison due

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to a crime you didn't commit. Please talk us through all.

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Speaker 1: That, right, So it actually happened not long after I

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was on your show. So in twenty seventeen, I bought

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my jeep. And I'm going to leave the name of

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the financial institution out of this just because I don't

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want to get suited. But the financial institution that I

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financed my jeep through had a data breach and a

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lot of people's identities got stolen. Mine was one of them. Well,

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my identity ended up on.

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Speaker 3: The dark Web, and whoever purchased it from the dark

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web used my identity to create accounts on the dark

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Web to try to then commit further crimes.

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Speaker 1: I mean a whole host of financial crimes, money laundering,

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I mean all kinds of things. The State of Georgia

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has some very very interesting policies and very interesting laws

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pertaining to identity crimes. And one of those things is basically,

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if your identity is stolen, and whether it be people

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opening accounts that you can't pay for or people committing

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crimes using your identity, you are held responsible for what

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is done with your identity, which blows my mind. So

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it was probably actually a little bit longer after I

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went off your show, because the actual crime quote unquote

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happened in March of eighteen. Identity was stolen some time

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in late twenty seventeen. The crime was actually or crimes

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were actually committed in March of twenty eighteen. I did

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not get arrested for them until December twenty third of

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twenty and nineteen. I spent fourteen months in county jail

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fighting them This was right when COVID started, so everything

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was postponed and I was not able to get a

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bond hearing. Finally did get a bond hearing in February

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of twenty twenty one. So that's actually longer than fourteen

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Well now that is fourteen months. Yeah, fourteen months later,

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get a bond, get out on bond. I'm out on

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bond for nine months again trying to fight this charge

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and the public defender because I didn't have money to

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get my own lawyer, not for you know, seven different felonies.

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They were wanting a ridiculous amount. They were wanting like

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thirty five forty thousand dollars to take my case on it.

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I just didn't have it, so I had to settle

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with a public defender. She basically told me that you

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have two options. She goes, you can go to trial

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and we can try to convince the jury that you

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were not the one behind the computer st you know,

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taking all these people's money and everything. She goes, or

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you can take a plea deal. I was like, okay,

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well what are we looking at both ways? Because I

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was wanting to go to trial. I really was, because

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I'm like I shouldn't have to take a plea deal

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for something that I know I didn't do, and we

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had proved that I didn't do it. Because the date

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that these crimes were supposedly committed, which they were supposedly

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committed out of Indiana, I'm in Georgia. Nudge, nudge, something's

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off there. I wasn't even in Georgia. I was actually

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in Nashville, Tennessee. But they didn't care about that. She

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and my lawyer goes, well, if you go to trial

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and lose, they're going to hit you with the maximum

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they always do. And I was like, well, what's the maximum?

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She goes twenty five years. I sort of was like okay.

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I'm like, so if we take a plea deal, what

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are we looking at there? And she goes four years

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followed by six years of probation. I was like, that's

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a big difference between a plea deal and going a trial.

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I'm like, so they're going to offer me four years

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pro or four years in prison followed by six years

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of probation for taking the plea deal, But if I

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go to trial and fight for myself, they want to

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give me twenty five Like that's insane and The only

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reason I actually ended up taking the plea deal is

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one they were willing to drop five of my charges,

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actually six of my charges and just plee out to

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two different charges misuse of identity, which is very ironic

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to me because I'm like, Okay, I'm the one that

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got the identity stolen, but you're charging me with felony

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misuse of identity. How does that make sense? This is

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my identity and then one count of money laundering over

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the amount of twenty thousand dollars. So I ended up

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taking a plea deal. I don't want to say that

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I was railroaded, but I was railroaded. I was thinking

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more of my family in the long run than I

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was really myself. I'm my mom. She's sixty. I knew that, well,

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she's sixty now, she wasn't at the time. I knew

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that if I took a plea deal and did my

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four years and got out, I could still continue to

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fight it, but I would be able to see my

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mother again. She would still be, you know, healthy enough

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and young enough that I could still have good, healthy, solid,

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long term interaction with her. I knew that if I

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went to trial and lost, which the way that Georgia

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laws are set up, basically, it's designed for you to lose.

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There was a very good chance that I would never

476
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:37,559
get to see my mother again, and that is not

477
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,119
something that I wanted to have to face. So I

478
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,119
took the plea deal thinking of my mother and my

479
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,839
brother and my grandmother more than I was of myself.

480
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,559
Do I regret that, not really? Do I wish it

481
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,720
never happened, Absolutely, But in retrospect, you know, when you

482
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,880
are talking about being able to see your mother continue

483
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,839
to age healthfully and know that you have plenty of

484
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,640
years more left with her, I would I would take

485
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,359
that plea till five times over if I had to,

486
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,160
if I made, you know, being back out with my mom.

487
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,039
But that's how I ended up with four years of

488
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:13,559
my life wasted a Georgia State prison system.

489
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:18,519
Speaker 2: Holy col Ryan, that's absolutely horrible. It really is. You're

490
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,759
put into a really difficult situation that there was no

491
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,640
good way out of. You just dealt with it the

492
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,839
best way you knew how. And yeah, that's a situation,

493
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,799
like I said, that could happen to any of us,

494
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,680
and it's important to not lose sight of the fact

495
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,839
that it could possibly happen. It's best not to get

496
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,559
too comfy in your life because you never know when

497
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,200
something like that might come around. You really don't well.

498
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: A bit of advice to anyone that is listening. Invest

499
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:47,519
in LifeLock. It doesn't have to be like name brand,

500
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,079
but a lot of banks they offer LifeLock. Please, please,

501
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,480
please do what you can to save your identity because

502
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:58,440
I never did, and I thought I was one of those. Oh,

503
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,680
it will never happen to any things, will go into

504
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,880
prison as another it'll never happen to be thinking. Please

505
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,680
do things that you need to do to safeguirl guard

506
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,119
your identity because if they have stuff that monitors the

507
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,519
dark web, and if your identity shows up, they can

508
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,079
actually shut it down when they find it. If I

509
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000
had had that at the time, I wouldn't you know,

510
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,720
I wouldn't meet here right now. I wouldn't never have

511
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,359
gone to prison. So please y'all get some kind of

512
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,920
identity lock, you know, whatever it is, Please do them.

513
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very good advice for the aforementioned reasons. Well, Ryan,

514
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,079
I guess it's time now. Please tell us about this

515
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,240
most recent encounter. Give us every last detail that comes

516
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:38,680
to mind.

517
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:45,039
Speaker 1: So in prisoners. They refer to prisons as camps. So

518
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,279
y'all are gonna hear me use some prison lingo and

519
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,799
I'll explain sort of what some of the prison lingo means,

520
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:53,400
so maybe I'll learn something. But the first camp that

521
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,880
I always had was way, way way in South Georgia.

522
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,440
We were like two counties up from the Florida Order,

523
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,160
in a city called Morgan, Georgia, the closest big city

524
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,559
down there. Was already spent eighteen months there. The second

525
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,079
camp that I was at is in the city of Millan, Georgia.

526
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,079
And Millan, Georgia is a suburb of Augusta. It's about

527
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,319
forty five minutes to an hour south of Augusta. We're

528
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,519
not far or it wasn't far from the South Carolina border.

529
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,559
In fact, that whole area is called the CSRA, which

530
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:28,400
stands for Central Savannah River Area, and it encompasses you know,

531
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,200
Augusta and the north side of Macon, and you know

532
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,960
a whole bunch of just small little farming towns up there. Well,

533
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,960
Jenkins County, which is where the city of Millan is.

534
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,240
There are two sources of employment for this county. You

535
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,000
have your two options. Are you can be a farmer,

536
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,759
or you can work at the prison. There's nothing else.

537
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,759
There is the farms and there is the prison. Well,

538
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:58,599
the land that the prison was on was actually owned

539
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,039
by a farmer. And the officers that worked the prison,

540
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,240
the correctional officers, they would describe this farmer as the

541
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:10,519
Donald Trump of Millin. You know Donald Trump owns, you know,

542
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,799
most of New York City. Well, this dude owns most

543
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,880
of Jenkins County as far as the you know, land

544
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,200
that has not been developed on. If there's something they

545
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,200
the way they were to is if you see land

546
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400
down here that is not built on, he owns it. Okay,

547
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,359
fair enough. Well, the back of the prison it faced

548
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:34,000
one of his fields. It was a rotational field. And

549
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,640
what I mean by that is sometimes they would have

550
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,079
cotton planted. Sometimes they would have corn planted. When this happened,

551
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:42,680
it was corn crop out there. And if anyone's ever

552
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,079
been in any farmland you know anywhere that grow corn,

553
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,039
you know, corn can grow really, really really tall. It's

554
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,440
a very very tall crop. Well, it was a summer

555
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,640
of twenty three and I'm laying back in my bunk

556
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,079
and we had two different wreck yards. Well, actually, let

557
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:00,880
me start with the wreck yard. We had two different

558
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,839
wreck yards. We had the big yard and we had

559
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,319
a small yard. Now the big yard it was for

560
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,559
the whole compound. The housing areas are referred to as

561
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:16,160
dorms by inmates, and a dorm is nothing more than

562
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,559
where the inmates. You have the day room, which is

563
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,279
where the TVs and the tables and all that are.

564
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,480
You have the cuts which is where the bunks are,

565
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:25,799
and then you have the bathrooms and the showers and

566
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:29,599
all that in the back. Well. There are three buildings

567
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,799
on site, well four if you include where the chow

568
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,119
hall and all that is the cafeteria. There's three buildings

569
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,119
that house inmates and they are broken up into one, two, three,

570
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,519
ten different dorms. That account in my head there's ten

571
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,799
separate dorms. Well, the reckyard was open. The big yard

572
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,799
was open throughout the week, but you know each day

573
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:53,319
it was Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays. Each day it was

574
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,160
a different building. We had one hundred building, two hundred building,

575
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,279
and three hundred building. Now it's a three hundred building,

576
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,039
which means our wreck time, our big yard time was

577
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,839
on Fridays, so it was the middle of summer. And

578
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:08,720
in south central Georgia, which this is really middle Georgia,

579
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,240
but anywhere south of Atlanta it is a sweat box.

580
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,359
Even if it's nice and cool in the morning, the

581
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,319
humidity is still going to just drench you. So I

582
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,759
didn't feel like going out. I was laid back in

583
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,119
my buck reading. Well. All of a sudden, they'd have

584
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:25,680
been out for maybe half an hour, and when they

585
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,440
open up big yard, it's opened up all day, so

586
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,759
they're out for like half an hour. It's you know,

587
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,759
mid morning, and all of a sudden, everyone starts coming

588
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,160
back in and they're being rounded by officers. You'll get

589
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,480
back to your dorms. Get back to your dorms. We

590
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,559
gotta lock down. We got a lockdown. I'm like, wow,

591
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,440
you I was thinking that something had happened on the compound,

592
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,519
and that's what everyone was thinking. So in prisons there

593
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,480
is a big issue with contraband cell phones. Inmates will

594
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,880
pay correctional officers to smuggle in like straight talk phones

595
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:00,440
for them, and they use those phones to get in

596
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,920
touch with other people on the compound, people at different prisons.

597
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,160
You know, they're family and friends that are out there

598
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,119
on the street. You know, they use it to basically

599
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,720
run their lives as normal as they can while they're

600
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,839
in prison. But they're illegal. You're not supposed to have

601
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,079
the contraband. So people that had the phones, you know,

602
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,599
they start pulling them out, you know, incognito, trying to

603
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,400
hide them from the cameras, hide them from the officers,

604
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,440
and they're trying to shoot off messages whoever they can.

605
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,960
You know, people at this prison, people at other prisons like, hey,

606
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,440
we just went on lockdown. Did something happen in one

607
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,319
of the all's buildings, or did something happen in one

608
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,440
of the prisons that's near us? Because that area of

609
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,200
the state is super saturated with prisons. There's prisons all

610
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,519
over down there because of how rural it is. It's

611
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,519
close enough to major cities that people from the cities

612
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,920
commute if they want, but it's rural enough that people

613
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,559
are comfortable with having a whole bunch of hoodlums down there.

614
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:56,119
For lack of a better term. Your turn. Well, we

615
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,920
find out that, yeah, there's nothing going on. Nothing happened

616
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,240
here at the prison. You know, nothing happened in any

617
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,000
other prisons. You know. Everything it's smooth sailing as far

618
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,599
as the Georgia Dequartment Corrections goes it's you know, smooth

619
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,640
sailing from here. We're on good waters. So we're scratching

620
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,680
our heads like what in the world happened? And they

621
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,240
the officers were really really bad about not keeping us

622
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:22,440
informed about what was going on, so we were just

623
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,839
sort of left to speculate. But there was one officer

624
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,960
he worked overnights. Cannot remember what his name was to

625
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:31,000
life for me. But we were finally like, hey, what

626
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,640
is going on? Why are we on lockdown? Because lockdown

627
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:38,640
it is a pain for officers, Like they tried to

628
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,359
avoid lockdown except for the most extreme circumstances because everything

629
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,240
has to come to us. Our food, medical, if you

630
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,000
take medication, they have something called pill call. They would

631
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,000
have to bring the pill cart down, which we called

632
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480
pills on wheels. They would have to bring that down

633
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,720
to us, and it just made everything so much more

634
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,359
of a hassle. It took a ten minute ordeal and

635
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,720
made it into an hour and a half problem. So

636
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,000
they would avoid everything that they could to put us

637
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,800
on lockdown. So the fact that they put us on

638
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,000
lockdown told us that something major had happened, but we

639
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:18,360
couldn't figure out what well. We finally were able to

640
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,920
find out, and he said, well, he goes. I'll tell

641
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,280
y'all he goes, But y'all cannot tell anyone that it

642
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,519
came from me, he said. The farmer that owns all

643
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,639
of the land behind this prison. He said, he woke

644
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,599
up this morning and he found two of his cows,

645
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,599
clean slice down the middle, just mutilated, he said, just

646
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,039
a precision slice right down the middle. He goes, two

647
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,639
completely separate halves. And on top of that, he was

648
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,360
missing two, three, four, I forget the number of goats.

649
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,880
He had a bunch of livestock, but he was missing

650
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,760
a number of goats. And he found the carcasses of

651
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,119
the goats on the other side of his property in

652
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,800
the woods. And and I say other side of property,

653
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,000
I'm not talking about you're walking from one side of

654
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,679
your backyard to the other. I'm talking about you're having

655
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,199
to get in a side by side and you have

656
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,199
to take a five to ten minute ride two and

657
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,760
a half miles to the other side of the property.

658
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,760
And they could not figure out how the goats got

659
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,519
out of the pen, because he had an actual enclosure

660
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,199
for the goats, and something had gotten in there and

661
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,920
taken the goats out and then mutilated them and just

662
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,960
left them in the woods. So we were on lockdown

663
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,679
because the county could not figure out what happened. I

664
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:34,599
don't know if they thought that an inmate had got

665
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,400
out and just went haywire on some cows or what.

666
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,599
I don't know, but they put us on lockdown. Well,

667
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,079
I think it was that night or the following night.

668
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,039
I'm laying back in my bunk. I'm reading a Michael kalganovl.

669
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,119
I'm reading one of us Harry Bosch books, which are great.

670
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,639
I love them. And my buddy Montana he comes up.

671
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,519
He goes, hey, come over to the door and listen

672
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:57,280
to this. I'm like, man, it's like one thirty in

673
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,400
the morning. I was like, what do you want me

674
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,119
to come listen to? He goes, come listen. So I

675
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,480
jumped down off of my bunk and I walk over

676
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,760
to the door that goes to the wreck yard, the

677
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,239
small yard, the one that is for each dorm. And

678
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,760
I'm standing there for I don't know, thirty seconds, forty

679
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,039
five seconds, and I'm like, what am I supposed to

680
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,079
be listening for? I don't hear anything. He goes just listen,

681
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,920
and I heard a scream that I had not heard

682
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,079
in years, and it was that growl, howl, just demonic

683
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,599
sound that I knew immediately what it was when I

684
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,880
heard it, and I looked at into my buddy Montana,

685
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,440
and I was like, I know exactly what that is.

686
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,400
And he just sort of looked to me. He's all cocky,

687
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,800
and he goes, oh really, he goes, do you. He goes, well,

688
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,239
please do tell what is it. I was like, well,

689
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,159
I was like that my friend of the dog man.

690
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:49,440
And he gave me this look and he goes, what

691
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,599
in the world is a dog man? And I told

692
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,239
him the story about that night on the trail and

693
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,679
he was like, dude, he goes, no, and he goes,

694
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:58,239
you saw a bear. I was like, no, it was

695
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,920
not a bear. It was not a bear. People tried

696
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,760
to tell me that for years. I was like, it's

697
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,079
not a bear, my man. He goes, no, you saw

698
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,920
a bear? He goes whatever, he goes, He goes, it's

699
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,960
probably just a coyote. I was like, okay, yeah, I

700
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:11,800
think whatever, it's a dog man, but I'll see in

701
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,920
the morning. Whatever. Well, the next day it had had

702
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,599
rained that night, so the small yard was opened up.

703
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,519
We were off lockdown. The small yard was opened up,

704
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,480
and it was a lot cooler. So I decided that

705
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:25,920
I was actually gonna go out there and sit in

706
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,440
the chairs and you know, finish off my book outside.

707
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,079
So there were one hundred and twenty people that were

708
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,119
in the dorm and there were maybe thirty thirty five

709
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,840
forty at the most of us out there on the

710
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,159
small yard. Some people were working out, some people were

711
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,880
just kicking back on the chairs reading. Some people were

712
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,480
out there playing basketball, just you know, just doing whatever. Well,

713
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:51,239
one of the guys, we called him old school, he points,

714
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,039
he goes, what is that? He goes, look at that?

715
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,639
And I sort of look up for my book and

716
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:58,639
I look where he's pointing. He's pointing out into the

717
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,800
field and maybe ay fifteen hundred feet. I just saw

718
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,239
the top of a head over the corner and I

719
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,039
saw the ears. And as soon as I saw the ears,

720
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,039
I put my book down. My buddy Montana was out there.

721
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,599
I was like Montana, I was like, come here, you

722
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:14,719
did the little one finger come on thing. He goes,

723
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,480
what now? I was like, look out into that field,

724
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:18,880
and I was like, tell me what you see. He goes,

725
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,599
I see ears. I was like yeah, I was like,

726
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,599
just wait. I was like, I don't know what's going

727
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,320
to happen. I was like, but just wait. Well, this

728
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,960
thing stood up, and the first one I saw was

729
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,320
maybe about seven and a half eight feet. This thing

730
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,639
was a monster. It was at a minimum eleven feet.

731
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,440
It may have been bigger, but it was at least

732
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,800
eleven feet. And the thing again that drew my attention

733
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:52,440
was its coat. This is mid morning, early afternoon in

734
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,599
the Georgia summer sunshine, and it looked like that you

735
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:57,920
had dipped this thing in the tub of van to black,

736
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,599
the blackest substance on earth, because it just absorbed all

737
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,239
of delight. Nothing reflected off of it. Did not look

738
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,480
shiny at all. It just looked like flat black. And

739
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,519
I'm out there with people that are affiliated gang members,

740
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,000
people that are assassins for those gangs. One of the

741
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,119
people that was on the yard that day was an

742
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,360
assassin for a gang who I'm not going to mention

743
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,480
names of gangs, but he was an assassin and he

744
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,119
was in prison with life without parole for six murders.

745
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:30,960
And he would always make the comment he goes, well,

746
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,400
that's that's only the ones that they know about, indicating

747
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,159
that he had a lot more under his belt than

748
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:39,079
just the six he got arrested. He went white as

749
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,639
a ghost. And I have never seen this man scared.

750
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,239
This man is six foot five, three hundred pounds of

751
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,000
pure muscle, tattooed from the top of his head to

752
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,840
the bottom of his feet. He was, you know, like

753
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,760
the definition of the dorm alpha male. You didn't mess

754
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,639
with him, No one messed with him. But this man

755
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,519
tucked his tail and he went sprinting back inside, whimpering.

756
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,360
So it stands up and it's it doesn't really look

757
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,079
over at us. It's looking away. But I mean, I

758
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,039
don't know if it didn't acknowledge us. I'm sure it

759
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,519
knew that we were there, but it didn't feel a

760
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:16,119
need to like let us know that it knew. It

761
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,159
knew that we were there, If that makes sense. That's

762
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:21,360
a word spaghetti, But that's the easiest way I know

763
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,239
how to describe it. So we go back in and

764
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,159
there was a guy. He had been in prison for

765
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,760
like thirty to thirty five years. We called him old school,

766
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,920
and he's stomping around the dorm and he was like,

767
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,239
it's a prophecy. He goes, it's the prophecy. Someone's like

768
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,320
old school, They're like, man, what in the world are

769
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,519
you hollering about? He goes, I just he goes, we

770
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,360
just witnessed a demon. And everyone's like a demon and

771
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,920
they're like yeah, And I'm just sitting back, not saying anything,

772
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,360
just with my arms crossed, like if y'all want to

773
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,039
know what it is, all y'all got to do is

774
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:53,800
come talk to this boy right here. I know what

775
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,800
it is. Y'all can figure it out amongst yourselves. But

776
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,360
I know, I mean, that was a demon and is

777
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,760
such a melting pot of people because people from all

778
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,760
walks of life get locked up for whatever reason. So

779
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,920
I was in there with people that they had been

780
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,079
homeless their whole life, people that had owned multimillion dollar companies,

781
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,239
you know, people that they just had petty theft charges,

782
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,360
petty drug charges, people that had you know, multiple counts

783
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,000
of murder. People from all different religions Christians, Muslims, Wiccans,

784
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,880
you know, people that were agnostic, people that were atheists,

785
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,119
people that were Buddhists, you know, Hindu. Everyone was in prison.

786
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:34,159
So it was interesting to see people of different ethnical

787
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:38,519
and religious backgrounds tried to relate what they saw out

788
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:42,239
there to their personal ethnical and religious beliefs. The Christians

789
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,239
were saying it was a demon, the Muslims for quoting

790
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,119
something from the Kuran and I can't remember what it was.

791
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:48,519
The Buddhists were saying it was one of their you know,

792
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,639
one of their God. The Hindus were saying pretty much

793
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,559
the same, and the Wickens they were saying that it

794
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,079
was something that the the solar system or something had

795
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,679
manifested or I'm not really sure believe, but I know

796
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,159
it's something with spirituality and solar manifestation or something. So

797
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:05,840
they were saying that it was something sent by the

798
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,079
cosmos to Earth. So I'm like, no, y'all are all wrong.

799
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,639
It's just a dog man. But again, if y'all are,

800
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,159
I should put a sign on myself that says dog

801
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,280
man expert, please ask questions. But didn't think to at

802
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,119
the time. Well, a couple of days go by, Actually

803
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:25,360
more than a couple of days. It was weeks went

804
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:31,000
by and we're back out. And when I say weeks,

805
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:32,400
I'm talking about maybe a month and a half two

806
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,400
months later. So it was. It was a good a

807
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,400
good time. After We're back out on the yard, in

808
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,679
the small yard, and it was getting to be nighttime.

809
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,760
It was you know, wasn't getting dark dark, but it

810
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,239
was getting to the part where the sun, you know,

811
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,480
starting sun starting to dip below the horizon and things

812
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,960
are starting to get dark quick. Well, they have something

813
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:55,280
called the Pea truck, and PA sends for a perimeter

814
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,559
and the only job of the Pea truck is to

815
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,440
drive around the perimeter of the prison all day and

816
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:08,360
all night. And they're they're the only people in prison

817
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,199
that are actually armed. The officers I work with inside

818
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,199
the facility, they don't have they don't even have tasers.

819
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:16,280
They have cans of pepper spray, but they don't have

820
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,400
anything beyond that the Pea truck. If you are an

821
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,679
officer that works the Pea truck, you have a glock

822
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,880
forty five, you have a remming team, twelve gags with buckshot,

823
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,159
and you have an AR fifteen. Those are the three

824
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,000
weapons that you have on well, not on your person.

825
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:35,719
The glock's on your person, but the other two are

826
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,880
just in the truck. Well, the Pea truck goes by

827
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,400
and it goes beyond where we can see, like around

828
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,039
the corner, beyond where we can see, and we hear

829
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,960
the tires screech, and we look up and this truck

830
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:57,199
is flying in reverse, I mean flying, and the dude

831
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,199
he gets out and he's got twelve gage in his

832
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,719
hand and he looks over at us and he goes,

833
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,920
y'all get back in your dorms. He goes, get back

834
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,039
in your dorms now. And we didn't know what was

835
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:08,920
going on. We just know that there is a correction

836
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,079
officer with a twelve gage in his hand, acting like

837
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,679
he just saw the Virgin Mary appear in front of him,

838
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,519
So we don't really question anything. We go back inside.

839
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,599
We're not going to argue with the Manda has the gun?

840
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,519
Was our thinking, Do not argue with Amanda has the gun?

841
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:28,880
So we go back inside. We get in there, and

842
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,719
I mean not even a minute later, officers are swarming

843
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,159
the building.

844
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 4: We're on lockdown. We're on lockdown. We're on lockdown, like

845
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,599
what in the world, And then the power goes out.

846
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,320
We're like, what is going on? Like okay, what's going on?

847
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,239
We could not figure out for days what was going on.

848
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: And then finally that same officer, the one that told

849
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,400
us about the cow mutilations. He came back and he

850
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,960
was working night shift and we were like, man Barnes,

851
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,440
that was his name, Officer Barnes. We were like, Barnes,

852
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,760
what is going on? He goes, well, well, he goes,

853
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:03,960
dude was doing the peach truck rounds. He goes and

854
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,119
he claims that this giant creature jumped over the fence

855
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:11,440
and landed in front of his truck. I was like, huh,

856
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,119
imagine that really. I was like, well, how would you

857
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:16,840
describe the creature? And he was like he described it

858
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,840
as a werewolf? And now I was like, okay, about eleven

859
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,840
feet tall. And he goes, yeah, how'd you know? I

860
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,840
was like, we saw it out there in the field

861
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:26,880
like a month and a half, two months ago, and

862
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,400
told him what happened. The reason that the power went

863
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,239
out is the furthest perimeter fence is an electric fence,

864
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,400
and the way it's electrified is you've got the chain

865
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,639
lead fence with the razor wire on top, and then

866
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,159
you have strips of electric band that run like a

867
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,400
ladder up and down the fence all the way around. Now,

868
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,960
these fences, they are designed not to just stop you,

869
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,760
They are designed to drop you. Dad. In fact, while

870
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,599
I was incarcerated, there was a lawsuit that came about

871
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,880
with someone who tried to escape and he grabbed the fence,

872
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,239
not knowing that it was electric, and it stopped his

873
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,639
herd and it killed him. And they were trying to

874
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:12,519
determine whether it was the actual voltage that killed him,

875
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,880
whether it was cranked up too high, or if it

876
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,880
was because he had a underlying heart condition and the

877
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,639
electricity just set it off and dropped him. But these things,

878
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:24,719
they are designed to not only make you hesitate, they

879
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,400
are designed to fry you. Okay, they are serious. This

880
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,239
thing sliced through the wires of the electric fence, causing

881
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,760
the whole prison compound to short out and blow pretty

882
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,679
much every fuse they had. We finally got generator backup

883
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,760
power going, but it sliced through the electric fence, the

884
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,239
wires of it, and it didn't even face the Barnes

885
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,760
told me that he saw where the mark or the

886
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,840
slice was, and he goes, yeah, he goes those things,

887
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,079
He goes, they're serious. He goes, they are heavy duty hardware.

888
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,360
He goes, it's not just a wire. He goes, it

889
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,639
is steel rod that is actually electrified from within. He goes,

890
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,440
it's something that if you wanted to cut through yourself,

891
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,039
you know, after you turn it off, obviously you would

892
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:14,079
have to take you know, a very very specialized cutoff

893
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,360
wheel or saws all and go through it. He goes.

894
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,800
You can't just cut through something like that. He goes.

895
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Someone you know went out there was some serious machinery

896
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,639
and cut through this and I was like, what int

897
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:29,159
to someone? It was something well that got the prison

898
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:33,599
going because people had kind of forgotten about that day

899
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,840
out on the small yard where we saw it out

900
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,599
in the cornfield. But after this happened with it jumping

901
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,760
in front of the pea truck and getting through the

902
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,199
fence and all sorts of stuff we started here in

903
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,400
the house in the prisons at night, and prisons they

904
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,440
are built to be strong, but they are not built

905
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:56,960
to be comfortable, so they are built cheap. They can

906
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,639
withstand a hurricane. And I know this because where I

907
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,760
was got hit by Hurricane Helena. In fact, we were

908
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,480
the last area in Georgia it hit before it completely

909
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,159
wiped Ashfield off the face of the earth, and it

910
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:13,000
hit us hard and it's still standing. They are designed

911
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,840
to take the worst that Mother Nature can throw at them.

912
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:19,039
But they are built very cheaply. If that you know,

913
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,039
that's kind of oxymoron, or that's kind of oxymoron, but

914
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,920
it's the truth. The walls are very thin. They are

915
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,880
corrugated metal, I mean thick corrugated metal, but they're corrugated

916
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,519
metal nonetheless, and there's no insulation, by the grace of God.

917
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,960
So the second prison I was that had air conditioning

918
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,400
and heat. Most prisons in the state of Georgia you

919
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,159
have no air conditioning and no heat. They are sweatboxes.

920
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,239
But you can hear everything that's going on outside. We

921
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,159
were not too far from an air force base, and

922
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,039
we could hear airplanes, you know, jets and helicopters all day,

923
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,199
all night, trains off in the distance, you know, we

924
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,199
could hear them like they were right next to the prison.

925
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:02,719
You hear everything, and we just camp hearing those howls

926
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,760
throughout the whole night. You know. In the days and

927
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,840
weeks following this, it just went on for probably a month,

928
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,159
you know, from the first time something happened to the

929
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,239
last time, it was probably a three month time span.

930
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,960
And finally people were like, okay, we want to know

931
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,679
what this is. The inmates were and one of the

932
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,400
guys in my cut he had a phone and he

933
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:25,280
was out there that day and I was like, look,

934
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,679
I was like, you want to know what this is.

935
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,039
He goes, yes, he goes, what is this? I was like,

936
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,960
go on your phone. I was like, go on YouTube.

937
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,960
So he did. I was like, pull up this dude

938
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,119
named dog Man Encounters and he was looking at me.

939
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,119
He goes dog Man Encounters. He goes, what kind of

940
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,239
stuff is that? And I was like, just do it.

941
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,599
I was like, go on there. I was like, listen

942
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,199
to some of his stuff and tell me that's not

943
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,400
what we saw. So he goes on there and he

944
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,280
listens to you know, I don't know how many you know,

945
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,159
once he listened to, but he listened to a few.

946
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,559
And he comes back and he goes, he ain't kidding.

947
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,280
He goes, that describes to a t you know what

948
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,000
you saw or what we saw. And then I tell him.

949
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:05,159
I was like okay, I was like, well, go on

950
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:07,960
there and look up episode two fifty and he goes why.

951
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,800
I was like, that's my episode and he goes, you

952
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,480
were on this show. I was like, I had an

953
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:14,119
encounter years ago. I was like, my jeep was attacked

954
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:15,840
by one of these things. He goes, no, he goes,

955
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,960
you lying. I was like, I'm not lying. I was like,

956
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,880
go to episode two fifteen. Tell me you don't recognize

957
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,639
that voice. So he went on episode two fifteen and

958
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:24,719
he listened to it, and he goes, he went kidding.

959
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,440
So he started telling people that, hey, that white boy,

960
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,840
that Ryan, he knows about this thing. So people started

961
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,000
coming up to me and asking all kinds of questions.

962
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:36,719
And when I say people, I'm talking about people that

963
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,280
normally would not even speak to me because I'm an

964
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,239
unaffiliated you know, I'm an affiliated I'm not a gang member.

965
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,599
They only speak to their own game. They don't talk

966
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:47,199
to anyone else. But they're coming up to me like, hey,

967
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:50,760
you know, let me holler at you, let me let

968
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,519
me get in your ear. I need to know what

969
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,880
this was that I saw. And I was able to

970
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,199
educate a lot of them on what it was. And

971
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,920
you know, the ones that had phones, I would be like,

972
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,199
you've got a phone, go to dog Man Encounters on YouTube.

973
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,199
So you have a whole audience in prison you don't

974
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,679
even know about. But I was able to educate a

975
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:09,519
lot of them about what it was, and I made

976
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:14,039
them realize that, you know, yeah, this whole kingdom, phylum, class,

977
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,000
or family, genus, species thing that you learn in you know,

978
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:20,599
ninth grade biology. I'm like, yeah, it's great, but it's

979
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:22,920
only the tip of the iceberg. I was like, there

980
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,519
are things out there beyond the realm of what you

981
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:29,280
can even imagine that exists. I was like, we're talking

982
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,119
about Bigfoot, We're talking about dog men, we're talking about

983
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,960
skin walkers, we're talking about Mothman, we're talking about the

984
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,119
Lockness Monster. We're talking about all these different type of

985
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,559
cryptids that are out there that you think they're nothing

986
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:45,199
more than folklore. I was like, you think they're nothing

987
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,840
more than entertainment on the History Channel. I was like,

988
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,599
but let me ask you this. They had to get

989
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,719
their start somewhere. All these people. They didn't just sit

990
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,239
around a table one day in a production studio and say,

991
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,280
you know what, we're going to make a show about

992
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,800
trying to find Bigfoot, or we're going to make a

993
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,119
show about a ranch out in Utah that has skin

994
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,519
walker problem. Yeah, people will definitely watch that. Well, they

995
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:09,159
had to get that from somewhere, and production companies they're

996
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,239
not going to waste the time and effort to try

997
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,360
to build a show around something that doesn't have plausible results.

998
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,920
They're not going to spend all the production budget to

999
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,920
do that because no one would watch it. You don't

1000
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,880
watch a show that doesn't have a tangibility of reality,

1001
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,960
you know. That's that's what makes those shows so interesting,

1002
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:30,159
is the reality of it. People are seeing this evidence

1003
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,679
be presented before them on television and they're like, oh wow,

1004
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,719
this stuff actually could be real. It came from somewhere.

1005
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:41,800
All this folklore, all of these wives tales, they had

1006
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,599
to have an origin point. People from all these different

1007
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:47,440
areas of the world. Didn't just one day decide that, hey,

1008
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,239
we want to make up this story. No, they had

1009
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,800
to start from somewhere. And I got a lot of

1010
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,679
them to realize that, and a lot of these you know,

1011
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:57,639
not to be disrespectful to them, but they're very closed

1012
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,079
minded individuals. They only think think about one thing, one

1013
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:03,119
thing only, and that is surviving prison. Because a lot

1014
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:04,719
of them they were never going to leave. That was

1015
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,800
their home, so they only had to focus on survival.

1016
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,000
But the fact that I was able to actually get

1017
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:11,800
through to them and show them the hey, there is

1018
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,119
all this stuff out there. Sorry, you're never gonna see it,

1019
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:18,280
but hey, it's out there, and it blew their minds.

1020
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,440
I mean it was It was really cool to actually

1021
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,000
be able to educate them. And they're like, so, you're

1022
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,480
not freaking out over this thing and I was like

1023
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,000
not really. They're like, well, what if it tries to

1024
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:29,719
get in and I was like, I don't think it's

1025
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,800
going to. I was like, by the time this thing

1026
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,280
tries to get in, you're going to have a PEA

1027
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,000
officer or in a Pea truck coming out with a

1028
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,320
shotgun trying to blast at it. I was like, now,

1029
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,400
it ain't gonna kill it. It's gonna, you know, tick

1030
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,639
it off. I was like, but it'll probably drive it away.

1031
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,440
I was like, yeah, it's not going to break in.

1032
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,079
It's not gonna be able to get into us. We're

1033
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:48,440
like a Walmart grocery store forard, probably. But he was like,

1034
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:50,480
you know, a lot of them they were just mind

1035
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,719
blown that these things existed and they would have never

1036
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,440
believed it unless they were out there that day and

1037
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,840
saw it. But that is my in prison doctor encounter story.

1038
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: That's why I couldn't experience. Did the prison ever change

1039
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,159
policies now that they knew that the DOLG main was

1040
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:09,639
out there?

1041
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: Not that I am aware of they. I mean they

1042
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,079
didn't really have a lot of policies to begin with.

1043
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,519
Georgia prisons are kind of free for all. You could

1044
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,639
do really pretty much anything you want, so there's really

1045
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:30,960
no policy, there's no structure, and I don't think they

1046
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,159
implemented anything more because one day the officer comes in Barnes.

1047
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,440
He just comes in and says, yeah, that problem with

1048
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:41,920
this werewolf thing. He goes, it's taken care of, and

1049
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,199
we what do you mean is taken care of? He goes, oh, no,

1050
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,159
it is taken care of. And we were like, well,

1051
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,079
can we get like some specifics on this, like okay,

1052
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,199
that's a very broad net taking care of that can

1053
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:55,239
acompass a bunch of stuff. But you know, after that,

1054
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,639
we never heard it or saw it ever again. There

1055
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:58,639
was never any problems.

1056
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: Really makes me wonder what was behind that, if the

1057
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,119
government might have come in and done something to rid

1058
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:09,079
the area of it, or what happened.

1059
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:13,639
Speaker 1: But well, what's even more interesting is I tried to

1060
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,320
look up cattle mutilations for Jenkins County in that timeframe,

1061
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,440
and I could find nothing. There was no information at

1062
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,079
all about any missing goats or cattle mutilizations or anything,

1063
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,199
which in a farming town, that's a big deal. If

1064
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,760
cows are getting mutilated, people want to know about that.

1065
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,119
But I could find nothing about it, as I could

1066
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:34,079
have been swept on the rug and wiped away.

1067
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,559
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they did keep that hush hush. Yeah,

1068
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:39,360
of course, that's not the kind of thing that they

1069
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,320
want to get out and have people talking about. But

1070
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,320
when things like that start happening, especially in a small

1071
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,639
town like that, people do. Yeah, that's inevitable. Did the

1072
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:53,199
prisoners change their behaviors after the word got out about

1073
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:54,840
that eleven foot are being around?

1074
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:01,079
Speaker 1: Not really. You know, you have to think that you

1075
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:04,800
have to put on a certain persona in prison, which

1076
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,519
I never did. I was the same person in prison

1077
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,039
as I am outside of prison, because I'm like, I

1078
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:11,920
have no reason to change. If you don't like me,

1079
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,719
you don't like me. I can't help that. But so

1080
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,599
many people they put on this tough guy act because

1081
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:20,280
they think that if they do that, no one's going

1082
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,239
to mess with them. So even if they were worried

1083
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,559
about it, or even if they were scared, they would

1084
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,960
never let you know because if they in their minds,

1085
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,159
if they show that, oh you're scared of something that's

1086
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:36,559
beyond the fence out in the field, oh you're a wuss,

1087
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,440
you're you know, you're whatever, and they feel like that

1088
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,559
would make them look vulnerable to rival game members or whoever.

1089
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,679
And that's the last thing that people like that want.

1090
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: In prison, Prisoners do some dumb things. I can understand

1091
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,360
them doing that to try and protect how people see

1092
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,079
them and view them. But yeah, when it comes to that,

1093
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,480
it would show common sense to be very weary of

1094
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,079
being outside. I mean, it already showed that it jumped

1095
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:02,960
over that fence right in front of the p truck.

1096
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,239
It could always come over the other fence or come

1097
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,599
through the other fences and just get into the yard.

1098
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: Yep. But again you have to consider the source you've got,

1099
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,599
you know. I used to say that, well, if you

1100
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:17,400
had common sense, you wouldn't be in prison. Then I

1101
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,400
realized how easy it is to get in prison. But

1102
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,159
you know, a lot of people, they're not there for

1103
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:26,159
being intelligent, you know, as hard as that is, for

1104
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:27,679
me to say, because I've met a lot of good,

1105
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:31,880
stupid people in prison, but they aren't there for thinking rashally,

1106
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,599
so they were thinking more about their machoism than anything else.

1107
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:38,280
But I guarantee you if they were out there and

1108
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,880
one of those things starting jumping out of the fence,

1109
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,760
they would be the first people running inside.

1110
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably would be. I wouldn't be surprised, having

1111
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:50,960
as much experience with these guys as you have, Randon.

1112
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,880
It's not a ton of experience, but you saw how

1113
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,199
big that one was when you had your first encounter,

1114
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,480
and then you're laying eyes on an eleven plus foot

1115
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,840
did you start doing equations about how easily that dogged me?

1116
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,599
I could actually break into the prison if it wanted to.

1117
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: So the prison's the prison building itself, I'm not sure

1118
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,800
how easily it would be able to get into, just

1119
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,960
because of the way it's built. But over the fence

1120
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,800
into the perimeter, oh absolutely. The fence itself was probably

1121
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,159
twelve thirteen feet high, maybe a little bit less, but

1122
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:29,800
about twelve thirteen feet high, And I mean, I know

1123
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:32,119
without a doubt that eleven footer would have a vertical

1124
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:36,159
jump of probably twenty feet maybe. I mean, it would

1125
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:38,000
have been able to leap over that, you know, like

1126
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:42,360
an Olympic gold medalist. It would have no problem. But

1127
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,039
it also makes me wonder because that's I mean, it's huge.

1128
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:46,920
That's not only the second one I've ever seen, but

1129
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,440
it's the biggest one I've ever seen. It makes me

1130
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,000
wonder if the one that I saw on the trail

1131
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:54,800
that night, if it was a younger, if you know,

1132
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,679
not a full grown, if it was like a child

1133
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,079
or something, because this one was way shorter of the

1134
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,079
other one.

1135
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been Hythe is a pretty good

1136
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,400
indicator of the age and everything, so he might be

1137
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,239
onto something there. You just might. Why do you think

1138
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,760
that dog me in hung around that prison for such

1139
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,000
a long time? Three months, that's a long period of time.

1140
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:22,039
Speaker 1: I think what it was is because the dude that

1141
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:24,280
owns the property that the prison is on had all

1142
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,239
that farmland, and he had woodland. There was creeks, there

1143
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,119
was all kinds of stuff. But there were the farm animals,

1144
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:34,159
the livestock. He had goats, he had chickens, he had cows,

1145
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:38,679
he had pigs, he had everything. I think what it

1146
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,320
was is the dog man knew that there was a

1147
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:46,480
very very easily accessible source of food right there for him.

1148
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: I see all the livestock.

1149
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:53,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the livestock. If I had to guess, that

1150
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:54,800
would be my guess.

1151
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, listening to you describe how that area was,

1152
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:01,440
it sounds like it could find livestock like that pretty

1153
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,320
much anew where it went. So in my opinion, it's

1154
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,159
still strange that it hung around in such close proximity

1155
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:08,960
to that prison.

1156
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's something that I have thought about myself,

1157
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,519
and it's something that I you know, we may never know.

1158
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,239
The one thing that I've learned from listening to your

1159
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,039
podcast over the years and all that is the behavior

1160
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:26,079
of lawn dog man might be completely different from the

1161
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,760
behavior of another one. We'll never understand why they do

1162
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,199
what they do. So it could have had a very

1163
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,199
good reason for one to stick around, or it could

1164
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:35,320
have just been that's where he decided that he wanted

1165
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,079
to make his turf.

1166
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. It's hard enough to think for people.

1167
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,280
I've said that plenty of times. There's no way to

1168
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,880
think for these guys, because, yeah, with a lot of things,

1169
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,840
it seems like there's no rhyme nor reason. Definitely does

1170
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,840
I know, with your first encounter you took that in stride.

1171
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,719
It seemed like you took it in stride with this

1172
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:01,400
second encounter already being under all that stress, all that dress.

1173
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,519
Was the second one still easier to deal with than

1174
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:05,760
the first.

1175
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: It really was. And the reason what may or may

1176
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,559
not surprise y'all, there is not a lot to do

1177
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,119
in prison. You either read, play cards, play dominoes, sleep,

1178
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,320
or watch TV. That's all there is to do. Or

1179
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,880
if the reckyard's open, you go out there. But you

1180
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,159
can only do that so many times before it gets

1181
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:31,679
redundant and it gets really boring. So it was almost

1182
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,119
like a breath of fresh air to have something different happening,

1183
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:38,159
you know, despite the fact that it was a doc

1184
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,679
Man encounter, multiple doc Man encounters, it was nice to

1185
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:47,159
have something different going on to break up the monopony,

1186
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:49,960
because it broke up the monopony for two and a

1187
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,599
half three months, you know, it was it was like

1188
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:56,119
a circus, but it was I took it in stride

1189
01:01:56,159 --> 01:01:59,599
because I mean, you we never know what these things

1190
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:04,480
intend are. But the one time that I did see it,

1191
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,519
it did not come across in a menacing way. Now

1192
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,440
that doesn't really mean anything with these creatures. But it

1193
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,199
never once looked over to where we were, so I

1194
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,679
don't know if it was just perusing the field looking

1195
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:20,440
for something to do, or if it was just letting

1196
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,000
want of us to know that, hey, I'm here. You know,

1197
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,559
I was never really concerned for our safety because of

1198
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:30,079
the way the building is built. I was just concerned

1199
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:31,920
for what the prison was going to do as far

1200
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,519
as dealing with us, because we didn't want to be

1201
01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:37,000
on lockdown. That was my really only concern.

1202
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:40,719
Speaker 2: Honestly, Wow, that's one heck of a way that get

1203
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,480
off of lockdown. I don't want to put words in

1204
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:48,280
your mouth, Ryan, but from listening to you flesh out

1205
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,039
what I just asked you about, it almost sounds to

1206
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:53,760
me like you look at that dog men being around

1207
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,280
is being a good thing to break up the monotony.

1208
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,840
Did I hear you right about that?

1209
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:02,159
Speaker 1: Well, the the monotony was probably the only good part

1210
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,760
of it being around. That was the only enjoyable part

1211
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,880
of it, you know, because people they were, like I said,

1212
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,880
they were freaking out, and the prison they didn't know

1213
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,079
what to do. They were completely mind blown. I would

1214
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,480
love to have been a fly on the wall in

1215
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,679
their front offices where they were trying to figure out

1216
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:20,239
what this thing was and what they need to do.

1217
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,719
I would have loved to have been a fly on

1218
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:25,000
the wall, but the not be being broken up was

1219
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:28,719
definitely a blessing because it gives you something to take

1220
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,079
your mind off of the fact that you are in prison,

1221
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:34,440
something to sort of get your wheels turning. But that's

1222
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,360
the only upside was the fact that we had a distraction.

1223
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:40,239
Everything else was a downside.

1224
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:44,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why. And just for clarity, you

1225
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:47,719
did realize that that dog man could have broken into

1226
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,360
the prison, into the cell house and gotten to you

1227
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,480
if I wanted to do so, correct.

1228
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that always was in the back of my mind.

1229
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,079
I just, you know, part of me feels like in

1230
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,280
the time it would have making forward to get in there,

1231
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:04,000
you know, someone would have started shooting at it, you know,

1232
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:06,239
with the pea truck. But then again, these I've heard

1233
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:08,519
stories about these things taking buckshot to the chest to

1234
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:12,800
point blank and not phasing it, so that that was

1235
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,400
always in the back of my mind. But I wasn't

1236
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:19,199
too concerned about it. Why. I don't know. I guess

1237
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:21,000
there was just another one of those things that would

1238
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,559
happened to us type of things. But maybe I was

1239
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,639
just trying to get myself to believe that. I mean,

1240
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:29,400
I don't know, but no, that was definitely in the

1241
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,639
back of my mind the whole time.

1242
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,519
Speaker 2: Well, whatever it takes to help you get by, you

1243
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:37,239
should do, so can't fault you for that at all.

1244
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,880
This might seem like a foolish, like a silly question,

1245
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:43,039
but did you have any problem sleeping knowing that thing

1246
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:43,639
was around?

1247
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't sleep good in prison to begin with.

1248
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,440
There's always noise, it's never quiet, so sleep in prison

1249
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:55,119
is a very off and on thing to begin with.

1250
01:04:56,199 --> 01:05:00,800
There definitely were nights that I laid there and I

1251
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,239
was trying to wrap my head around the fact that

1252
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,519
I had actually encountered one of these things again, because

1253
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,960
I never thought I would ever see another one. I

1254
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:12,840
never thought that I would ever see another one of

1255
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,519
these things anywhere, and then all of a sudden, here

1256
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:21,199
one is. And then also it was nice. There were

1257
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,159
nights I was laying in bed where it just sort

1258
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:27,559
of like hit me that, well, that's just confirmation. Not

1259
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,400
that I ever questioned what I saw the first time,

1260
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,320
but that just confirms to me that it's not just

1261
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,760
up in North Georgia. These things are everywhere. But that

1262
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,719
definitely kept me up, you know, beyond my normal business hours,

1263
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:42,679
if you want to put it that way.

1264
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that was definitely the keys. Let's get

1265
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,360
to some of the listeners questions now, people in the

1266
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,039
live chat. The first one up is from baby Girl

1267
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,960
and she wants to know what color were the eyes

1268
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:56,880
of the first dog?

1269
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,639
Speaker 1: Me and you saw the Okay, So everything was lit

1270
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,079
up red because it was nighttime. It was at this point,

1271
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:06,719
it was like three in the morning, and I had

1272
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,360
my brake lights on and like my headlights, my brake

1273
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,239
lights were led, so they were super bright. Everything was

1274
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:17,639
washed out red. So I really couldn't tell what color

1275
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:20,199
the eyes were because everything was lit up red. So

1276
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,039
I wouldn't be able to say, you know, with confidence

1277
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,199
what the color was because, like I said, everything was

1278
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:27,559
washed out.

1279
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: Uh oh we lost Yeah? Are you there?

1280
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?

1281
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no I can. Yeah, for the last half

1282
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,800
of that sentence you cut out. Can you please re

1283
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:42,239
sae that?

1284
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, Like I said, the headline or the tail

1285
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,280
lights were led aftermarket led just like the headlights were

1286
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,800
and my brakes were on, so everything was lit up

1287
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,000
red everything, So everything was just washed out and red.

1288
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,639
So I really could not say with absolute confidence what

1289
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,280
color the eyes were because the only thing that I

1290
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,239
was seeing was how bright the red led was lighting

1291
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:09,239
everything up. So I really couldn't deduce color because of

1292
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,079
the red washout.

1293
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 2: And like I've said, eye witnesses several times before, if

1294
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,639
you have an experience like that, the last thing you're

1295
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,679
going to think about is the minutia of the details.

1296
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:21,960
You're just thinking about getting out of there. You've never

1297
01:07:22,119 --> 01:07:26,000
experienced anything of the sort before, So yeah, that can't

1298
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,760
be held against you. I definitely don't fault you for

1299
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:33,480
not knowing that. I get it. I do. This next

1300
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:38,519
question Ryan is from Andrea Sores, and Andrea wants to know,

1301
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:42,000
I'm sorry, Sores. Andrea wants to know what do you

1302
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,760
think the dog man wanted or why did it appear

1303
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,000
in that setting? I mean prison. I think you already

1304
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,960
answered that when you mentioned the live.

1305
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,639
Speaker 1: Style erect and I mean, yeah, and it's and that's

1306
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,320
just a theory. I mean it's really hard to say,

1307
01:07:56,119 --> 01:08:00,920
you know what it wanted. The previous experience up on

1308
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,800
that trail. You know, I think in retrospect, I think

1309
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,320
that one's pretty easy to explain. You know, urination is

1310
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:11,920
marking your territory in nature, and me and my friend

1311
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,920
who got out to urinate on the trail, it viewed

1312
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,279
us as challenging its territory. We were marking on its territory.

1313
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,680
But this one, I mean, I really couldn't say. I mean,

1314
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,039
it could be any number of things.

1315
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess we're never going to know. All

1316
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,920
we can do is guess about that. Huh.

1317
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1318
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:35,159
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, bad Pup wants to know. Why would the dog

1319
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:37,800
man want to cut through the fence and want inside?

1320
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 1: Again, That's one of those things that, you know, it

1321
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,239
could be any number of things. It could be it

1322
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,680
was just trying to, you know, sharpen its claws on

1323
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,079
something maybe, or it was trying to climb up and

1324
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:54,600
it just slices through it, or you know, I don't

1325
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,760
know what, because that happened after it jumped in front

1326
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,439
of the pea truck and the pea truck peeled away. Now,

1327
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,720
the dude that had the shotgun, he never fired fired

1328
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,239
anything off. He never shot at this thing, but he

1329
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,680
did something that made it jump back over the fence apparently,

1330
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:14,399
but it was after I jumped back over the fence

1331
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,479
when it happened. So my best theory would be maybe

1332
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,199
and jumping back over the fence and one of its

1333
01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:22,520
claws grabbed hold of it on the way down and

1334
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,600
broke it. But that would be that's just speculation.

1335
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like we talked about earlier, we can't think

1336
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,880
for these things. All we can do is guess. So yeah,

1337
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,000
we're never going to ever know about that. PW. Here

1338
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:40,560
is his next question. They want to know, Ryan, why

1339
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,680
do you think the dog man was so vocal during

1340
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,800
that time instead of just killing animals in silence.

1341
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: I think that at that point it realized that we

1342
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:57,560
knew that it was out there, and truthfully, I think

1343
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,239
it was just toying with us. Yeah, it's kind of

1344
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,920
like an air raid siren going off by accident or

1345
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,640
someone you know, purposely turning an air raids siren on.

1346
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:08,800
Nothing is going on at that moment, but it sense

1347
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,800
chills down your spine. It makes you think, like, man,

1348
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,359
what if this actually was happening. I think it was

1349
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:17,640
something like that where he was signaling his siren and

1350
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:22,039
he just wanted to let us know that Hey, y'all,

1351
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:26,119
where y'all are? This is my turf, these animals I'm killing?

1352
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,880
It could be you, because like I said, it wasn't

1353
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,439
until after the time where he jumped back over the

1354
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,159
fence that we started hearing all these howls. I mean,

1355
01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:39,279
it was after we had no doubt or it had

1356
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:41,520
no doubt that we knew it knew that it started

1357
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:41,840
doing that.

1358
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: It made its presence known. Yep, yeah, I see. The

1359
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,199
next one up is from Ben youtubing, and Ben wants

1360
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,840
to know how often does he think of his encounters.

1361
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,359
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's something that comes up every now

1362
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:02,960
and then. It's not something that's on my mind all

1363
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,199
the time. But you know, if I ever talked to

1364
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,239
my friend Colin or ever talked to Walker, you know,

1365
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:13,800
we'll make a joke like hey, how about that dog man?

1366
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,920
But you know, it's not something that I think about

1367
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,760
all the time. But it does pop into my head

1368
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:24,640
more frequently, especially the second time around, than it used

1369
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,079
to before. Or because you know, I used to live

1370
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:31,079
up in northern Georgia. After I got out of prison,

1371
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:32,920
I relocated out of the county that I have my

1372
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,039
conviction from because I doesn't want to be up there anymore.

1373
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 2: Oh no, you cut out again. Are you there?

1374
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my here, can you hear me?

1375
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:46,520
Speaker 2: I can now. You cut out right after you said

1376
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,359
you didn't want to be up in Northern Georgia.

1377
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:53,359
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Yeah, I used to live in Northern Georgia

1378
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,359
and the county that I got my conviction in. I

1379
01:11:56,399 --> 01:11:58,239
just didn't want to be up there anymore because of

1380
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:00,760
the way they treated me. So I actually live in

1381
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,880
the city of Atlanta. Now I am downtown, I am

1382
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:08,119
inside perimeter, and you know, I'm more conscious of the

1383
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:12,119
fact that you know, they I mean, there could be

1384
01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:14,520
these things in the woods around the house that I have.

1385
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,159
There could be things in you know, the park, you know,

1386
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,840
the botanical gardens of downtown Atlanta. There could be these

1387
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,159
things everywhere. I'm a lot more conscientious of that now

1388
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:26,199
that I've seen them in two totally different areas of

1389
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:26,640
the state.

1390
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll tend to happen once you have encounters in

1391
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:35,960
two different places like that, So that's understandable. The next

1392
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,199
one up is from baby Girl, and she wants to

1393
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:40,479
know did those howls sound really deep?

1394
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,039
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like a crescendo almost. It

1395
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,079
was started off with like a growl and then it

1396
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:50,920
would go into a deeper kind of howl, but it

1397
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,319
was a little bit more high pitched. But the growl itself,

1398
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,079
I mean it was it was pretty deep. You know,

1399
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:00,159
it depends on what you're comparing it to all so,

1400
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,920
but you know, if I had to describe it, it

1401
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:07,520
would be a deeper growl that cascades into like a

1402
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,760
higher pitched sort of a year or how or whatever.

1403
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,199
But it definitely had a demonic sound to it.

1404
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good way to describe it. And the

1405
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,560
next question for you is from Britain Stone and Brent

1406
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,960
wants to know did the prison officers change their behavior

1407
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:27,159
or say anything about the encounters.

1408
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: So the officers that worked the prison, they did not

1409
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,720
change behaviors, at least on the surface. But then again

1410
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,039
that was protocol. They did not want us to know

1411
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:43,039
when anything was going on because they viewed us knowing,

1412
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,800
you know, they viewed that as a safety concern because

1413
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,880
if we knew something was going on in another prison,

1414
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:51,880
they didn't want the same thing happening at the prison that.

1415
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 2: I was at.

1416
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,079
Speaker 1: The only officer we could ever actually get to talk

1417
01:13:57,119 --> 01:13:59,680
to us about it. I forgot his name again, I'm

1418
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,880
terrible things was the one that I mentioned earlier. He

1419
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:05,359
was the only one that would even give us any

1420
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,279
kind of semblance of information about what was going on

1421
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:13,239
with whatever it was that was happening around but on

1422
01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:16,479
the surface, you know, change a protocol with something that

1423
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:17,680
we visibly never saw.

1424
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: It's really surprising that that guard would tell you anything

1425
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,359
at all, because I'm sure they were told they were

1426
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:26,359
instructed to keep everybody in the dark.

1427
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: In for Yeah, he was not supposed to, but they

1428
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,359
I mean, even the guards don't follow rules a lot

1429
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:32,720
of times.

1430
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,159
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, a lot of the time the guards

1431
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:41,199
are the ones bringing the contry being into the prison exactly. Yep, Yeah,

1432
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:44,800
that's how it works normally, or I should say sometimes.

1433
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,840
This next one up is from DJ Chris Mac and

1434
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,119
DJ wants to know, or Chris, I should say, wants

1435
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,520
to know. Ryan. Thanks for sharing your experience. Again, did

1436
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,560
the dogman look older than the one in your first encounter?

1437
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,199
Since it was much bigger.

1438
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: As far as like visible age, you know, it was

1439
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,079
far enough away that it was really hard to tell

1440
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,119
based off of the height, though I would assume that

1441
01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:14,720
it was older than the first one. But as far

1442
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,119
as like fine details, I didn't get to see it

1443
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:21,520
as up close as I did with the other one

1444
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,000
in my rear window. But you know, just based off

1445
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,840
of the height, I would say that it was probably

1446
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,920
older by you know, whatever degree than the first one.

1447
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 2: Well, it goes with that saying I'm so glad it

1448
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,800
wasn't closer than it was. Yes, that wouldn't have been

1449
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,560
a good thing. The next one up is from Bang

1450
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,079
Bang and she wants to know, Ryan, do you think

1451
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:44,720
it was randomly verre or just hunting humans.

1452
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was randomly there. I don't

1453
01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:54,840
think it was hunting humans because around the prison, if

1454
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,119
you go on Google Maps and look up Jinkins Correctional

1455
01:15:57,119 --> 01:16:00,720
Facility in Millen, Georgia, you'll see on the map farm Road.

1456
01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:03,319
That's the name of the dude that owns the farm

1457
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:05,840
and all the land is His last name's Can't. But

1458
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,600
beyond the tree lines you could see a whole bunch

1459
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,760
of trailer parks, and we never heard of anyone in

1460
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,760
the trailer parks having any kind of issues. It was

1461
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:20,079
only the livestock. Now that doesn't mean that it wasn't,

1462
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:22,479
you know, bloodthirsty for humans. You know, it very well

1463
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,199
could have been, but I feel like if that was

1464
01:16:25,279 --> 01:16:28,880
the case, it probably would have gone into the trailer

1465
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,199
parks around and reached some kind of have it. And

1466
01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:33,479
that is something that we definitely would have heard about.

1467
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,359
I mean, without a shadow of down we would have

1468
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:35,880
heard about that.

1469
01:16:37,079 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 2: You're right, you definitely would have if the authorities could

1470
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,119
really keep it under wraps us one thing. But when

1471
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,119
it's happening out in the open like that, yeah, there's

1472
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:48,840
no way to squash everyone keep everyone from talking about it.

1473
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:52,600
You're right. The next one up is from Andreas Soarez,

1474
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,399
and Andrea wants to know do you believe prisons or

1475
01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:59,640
hot spots repair normal activity due to the intense energy there?

1476
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:05,279
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. In the state of Georgia, you

1477
01:17:05,359 --> 01:17:07,800
have to go through what they call diagnostics before you

1478
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,680
go to your permanent camp. And dinostics is at it's

1479
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,600
called Georgia Diagnostics and Classification State Prison now, but it's

1480
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,359
Jackson State Penitentiary. It's actually where they have death row.

1481
01:17:20,079 --> 01:17:22,039
But it is the oldest prison in the state of Georgia.

1482
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:24,960
It was built in the nineteen fifties and there have

1483
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:28,199
been so many deaths and so many murders and so

1484
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:32,319
many executions there. In fact, one night, I'm laying in

1485
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:35,039
my cell and the door to my cell you could

1486
01:17:35,039 --> 01:17:37,000
see out into the main hallway for the prison, the

1487
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,119
corridor where all the dorms were, and I'm laying there,

1488
01:17:40,119 --> 01:17:42,479
and my bunk made He goes, Bunkie, He goes, what

1489
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,000
in the world is that? He goes, There ain't no

1490
01:17:44,039 --> 01:17:46,760
women in this prison. How It's like, well, there's women guards.

1491
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,920
He goes, No, he goes, look, and we saw a

1492
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,079
lady in white walking up the corridor to the prison,

1493
01:17:53,680 --> 01:18:00,239
and she walked by the main door that our the

1494
01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:02,159
main sally port, the door that came into our dorm.

1495
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:04,840
She walked by it, but as she was walking by it,

1496
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,079
she was like fading away, like she was getting the lighter.

1497
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:12,880
But yeah, they're absolutely a hotspot for paranormal activity. I mean,

1498
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:15,800
if we were talking about ghosts and stuff, not cryptids.

1499
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,199
I saw and encountered so many paranormal things when I

1500
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:20,520
was in prison. It's not even funny.

1501
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,279
Speaker 2: Well, it's bad enough having an experience like that, but

1502
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:26,439
when you're locked up in a cell and can't get away,

1503
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:31,479
that makes it even worse. Yeah, it really does. No

1504
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,199
more funly one wants to know, has got a question

1505
01:18:34,319 --> 01:18:37,279
that's related to that. After the dog Man showed up

1506
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:40,840
around the prison, did then the inmates share pureanormal stories

1507
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,640
with you that you could cheer.

1508
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. That was something that before the

1509
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,359
dog Man happened. We like to talk about a very

1510
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:55,079
popular TV show, or two popular very popular TV shows

1511
01:18:55,079 --> 01:19:00,600
in prison is Ancient Aliens and Zach Began's show Ghosts Adventures.

1512
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,840
Those are two really popular shows in prison, and you

1513
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,399
know a lot of times you would sit there and

1514
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,119
watch them on the nights they were premiered. I can't

1515
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:09,680
remember what nights it was they premiered, but we would

1516
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,079
sit there and watch them and then we would you know,

1517
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,760
share paranormal stories. And you know, you had people that

1518
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,560
had stories, you know, like what the people like my

1519
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,039
old job had where oh, well the door you stop

1520
01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:23,199
to my bedroom, or we would hear whispers of the night.

1521
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:27,079
But I mean there were other stories about people that

1522
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,319
you know, watch deceased relatives, you know, walk through their

1523
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:32,920
front door, you know, years after they had passed away,

1524
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:37,520
had been you know, exploring abandoned buildings or something, and

1525
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,840
came around the corner and there's an apparition standing there.

1526
01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:44,560
People have all kinds of different paranormal experiences, both inside

1527
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:45,920
prison and outside of prison.

1528
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we only knew, I could only imagine the extent.

1529
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,159
This next one up is from Big Bird and they

1530
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:56,600
want to know what makes you definitely say it was

1531
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,520
a dog man and not something else.

1532
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: I cannot think of anything else that would fit the

1533
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,920
exact same description as the last one that I saw.

1534
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:09,600
I mean, it is to a t the description of

1535
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,279
a dog man and the height the coat. We could

1536
01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:15,359
not see the lower half of it because it was

1537
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:18,680
in the field and there was the crop, but you

1538
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,039
know from the upper chest that I saw, it had

1539
01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:25,920
a very bulky chest, like Hulk Hogan bodybuilder chest. I

1540
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,800
didn't see any hair. I mean, I'm sure there was

1541
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,479
hair on the chest, very faint, but it looked like

1542
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,600
a human chest. We could not see the bottom of

1543
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,119
the hands because the arms were so long. But the

1544
01:20:37,159 --> 01:20:42,640
definitive defining factory was the snout and the ears. The

1545
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,319
ears they were pointed like they were military daggers, and

1546
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:49,960
the snout was like a doberman's. I'm not I said

1547
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,720
this last time, but I'm terrible with identifying dogs. I

1548
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,560
think it's the Doberman's that have the really long, thin snout.

1549
01:20:56,119 --> 01:20:59,439
But it was like that, but just bulked up. I mean,

1550
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,119
I know without a doubt that it was a dog man.

1551
01:21:02,279 --> 01:21:03,520
That's the only thing it could have been.

1552
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, I agree, Yeah, that's a textbook description for one.

1553
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,319
This next one up is from deed Truth. Hey, d

1554
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,560
His question is I've worked in a prison, and I

1555
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,760
doubt I didn't Eve think could get through a cell cage.

1556
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:17,760
What do you think?

1557
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it would take a lot to get through

1558
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,840
a cell cage. In Georgia, we don't actually have cages.

1559
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,439
It is a cinder block. And then you have a

1560
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,239
solid still door that has a window. The window does

1561
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:35,520
have a cage on the outside of it, but it

1562
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,039
is actually a solid still door that's got an electric

1563
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:42,239
lock that opens and closes. Now you can modify the locks,

1564
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:44,000
you can break the locks, and you can open the door,

1565
01:21:44,079 --> 01:21:48,239
open and close the door yourself. But I mean, I

1566
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:50,840
don't say that it would be impossible for something to

1567
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,000
get in, but it would take whatever it was, very

1568
01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:56,720
very long to get in. It would not be a

1569
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,520
in and out type of thing. It would have to

1570
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:59,119
work at it.

1571
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: Don't be so sure about that when you think about

1572
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,479
some of the feats I've heard these guys do, especially

1573
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:10,520
an eleven footer. I mean, they've accomplished some ridiculous feats.

1574
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,840
You've seen those, Oh, sure, you've seen those huge fifth

1575
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,520
wheel trailers, the ones that are forty some are even

1576
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,279
fifty to fifty three feet long. I've heard about big

1577
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:22,640
dogmen like that, pushing on the side and pushing it

1578
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,520
up onto two wheels and ripping stuff out. I mean

1579
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:31,159
just ripping down trees, big trees, well not huge ones,

1580
01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:33,560
but ones that are way too big to be able

1581
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,079
to pull down, you would think at least. But yeah,

1582
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:39,239
I've heard about them doing ridiculous feets, so I wouldn't

1583
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:39,600
be so.

1584
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: Sure it was a valid point. That is a valid point,

1585
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,479
so it might have an easier time than we think.

1586
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, I think it would. The next one up

1587
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,000
is from baby Girl, and she wants to know have

1588
01:22:50,079 --> 01:22:52,439
you ever listened to the werewolf how in the movie

1589
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,399
an American Werewolf in London.

1590
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, I have never actually seen any

1591
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,880
of those movies. I used to work so much that

1592
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,239
I haven't really had time to watch movies. But I've

1593
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:06,359
never actually seen that movie. But I would have to

1594
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:07,840
look it up on YouTube and compare it.

1595
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,039
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm listening to you say that if

1596
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:14,479
you normally don't listen to those movies, does that mean

1597
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:19,640
you have never seen the movie Bad Moon? I have not. No, Actually,

1598
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,800
oh man, there's a lot of ways to be done here,

1599
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,720
a lot of work to be done. You've got to

1600
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:25,399
be kidding me.

1601
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: You sound like a disappointed father right now.

1602
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,359
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, son, you haven't seen the best werewolf

1603
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:32,239
movie out there.

1604
01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:36,520
Speaker 1: No. I don't watch a lot of movies, and it's

1605
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,520
just been that way my whole life. I've never had

1606
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,840
the patience to sit down and watch one unless it's

1607
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,680
been something like James bond Or Andianna Jones. So maybe

1608
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:44,359
I'm just weird.

1609
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 2: No, not at all. I mean that's just not your forte.

1610
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,760
You've experienced the real thing. Well, not we're wolves, but

1611
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,600
dog men close enough.

1612
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: But I'm always open to movie suggestions. I'm always open.

1613
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 2: Well, it's always good to keep your mind open. But no,

1614
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,359
I don't fault you for that, No big at all.

1615
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,239
Andres Carizalez is next question. He wants to know when

1616
01:24:07,239 --> 01:24:11,039
you're giving out info, did the others gather around like

1617
01:24:11,079 --> 01:24:14,279
a class and did guards ask you for information too?

1618
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: So the guards they were not actually in the dorm.

1619
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:22,359
The way the building is set up is you have

1620
01:24:23,119 --> 01:24:26,119
four dorms, three to four dorms, but they've got like

1621
01:24:26,199 --> 01:24:28,439
a glass wall that looks over into a main hub

1622
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,960
and the officers they actually sit at a desk out there,

1623
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,960
so they're not in the dorm. So if they want

1624
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,279
to come on the dorm, they have to pop the

1625
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:37,920
door and walk in. But yeah, there were there were

1626
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,399
a couple of times where you know, they would be like, well, man,

1627
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,279
you know, come sit down with us and you tell

1628
01:24:43,359 --> 01:24:45,880
us about this thing. But it was never a huge group.

1629
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,319
I think the most people at one time was four

1630
01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:52,640
people that I was sitting down with drinking coffee and

1631
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:55,560
you know, telling them about you know, my experience and

1632
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,800
you know what it was, and sort of what I've

1633
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,000
learned about how they act or I mean, you really

1634
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:03,600
never can learn how they act because they're so you know,

1635
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,079
you can never predict what they're going to do, so

1636
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:08,199
there really is no rhyme or reason to learning how

1637
01:25:08,199 --> 01:25:11,159
they act. But you know, just explain to them the

1638
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:14,600
best I could in terms that they could understand. You

1639
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:16,760
know what it was, but it was never like a

1640
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,319
classes in session type of thing. But there were definitely,

1641
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,479
you know times where I talked to multiple people at

1642
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:22,079
once about it.

1643
01:25:23,279 --> 01:25:25,199
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you were the go to guy and for

1644
01:25:25,239 --> 01:25:29,079
a good reason, so I'm sure they did. This. Next

1645
01:25:29,079 --> 01:25:31,880
one up is from Bang Bang and she wants to know, Ryan,

1646
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,760
do you think antler rubbings on trees could really be

1647
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,039
from dog Man Claws.

1648
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,199
Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely a possibility that they possibly could be.

1649
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,279
You know, I feel like that if they were from

1650
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:46,600
dog Man clause, I feel like they would be a

1651
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,680
lot more defined than a lot of antler rubbings because

1652
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,920
a lot of antler rubbings that I've seen, you know,

1653
01:25:53,119 --> 01:25:56,640
there's shallow, but you know, like the bark is gone

1654
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,319
and you've got some actual you know, meat from a

1655
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:02,640
tree gone. But they're they're sort of rounded off and

1656
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,600
they're shallow and you know all that. I feel like

1657
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,760
if it was dog Man claws, it would be just

1658
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,079
a straight gash or a chunk out of the tree.

1659
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:12,319
But I mean there's always a possibility. I mean I

1660
01:26:12,359 --> 01:26:13,600
would definitely knocked doubt it.

1661
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how normally is pretty deep gouges not just

1662
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,800
in a tree like a beach either. I mean trees

1663
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:25,319
with pretty formidable bark, shag bark, hickory, yeah, even oak.

1664
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,840
You've noticed some pretty deep gouges which will make you

1665
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,720
real when you see them. This next one up is

1666
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,159
from baby Girl and she wants to know do you

1667
01:26:34,199 --> 01:26:35,479
still go out into the woods.

1668
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:40,279
Speaker 1: Yes? I do. Actually, in fact, I'm supposed to be

1669
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:43,079
going hiking with my brother tomorrow. But yes, I still

1670
01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:44,000
do go out in the woods.

1671
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:48,159
Speaker 2: Oh good, that's really good. You said that you do

1672
01:26:48,279 --> 01:26:50,239
go out, and you're supposed to go out tomorrow, But

1673
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:53,159
are you compromised at all? When you do?

1674
01:26:54,399 --> 01:26:59,319
Speaker 1: I am much more aware. I don't want to say

1675
01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:03,640
that it makes me nervous or it makes me scared.

1676
01:27:04,079 --> 01:27:09,279
It just makes me more aware of things that are around,

1677
01:27:09,359 --> 01:27:12,880
and I am always looking for any indication that something

1678
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:17,600
other than a normal animal might be present. But so far,

1679
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,479
and then again, I've only been out for a month.

1680
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,600
I got out of present literally last month. So far

1681
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,439
I have not seen anything. But this will be my

1682
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:29,439
first outing into the woods tomorrow, so who knows. Maybe

1683
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:30,920
I'll end up back on your show in a week

1684
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,880
or so. Well, I hope you don't hopefully not.

1685
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,079
Speaker 2: But yeah, that makes two of us hoping you don't.

1686
01:27:37,119 --> 01:27:39,640
But if you do have another encounter, then yeah, I'll

1687
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:40,800
be here. Just let me know.

1688
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, let's hope it come to that. But

1689
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:46,119
if it does, I know where to come.

1690
01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:50,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely hope it doesn't. And I saw a

1691
01:27:50,079 --> 01:27:52,880
comment from Cody asking if I missed his question. Yeah,

1692
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,000
I sure did, Cody. If you could post it again,

1693
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,199
I'll put it right up to the top and ask

1694
01:27:57,279 --> 01:28:01,800
it next after this next question here, This one is

1695
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:06,079
from DJ Chris Mack from Chris and Chris wants to know.

1696
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:08,760
I take it your friends haven't had any more encounters

1697
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,920
since Ryan. You're lucky to have friends who saw the

1698
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,279
same thing that can support you. I guess it's more

1699
01:28:14,319 --> 01:28:16,720
of a comment than a question. And he's got a

1700
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:17,159
good point.

1701
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:21,359
Speaker 1: Ye, but yeah, no, they have to my knowledge, and

1702
01:28:21,399 --> 01:28:23,960
they would have told me. I'm sure, no, they have

1703
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:27,439
not had any encounters. Colin the one that was from

1704
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,920
West Virginia, he actually lives down in Sarasota, Florida now.

1705
01:28:31,319 --> 01:28:33,880
And then Walker the one that was from Los Angeles,

1706
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,680
he actually hasn't moved back to Los Angeles. But they

1707
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,119
have to my knowledge. They have not had any other encounters.

1708
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: Hopefully they haven't. And like you said, if they had,

1709
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,840
I'm sure they would have let you know. So it's

1710
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:51,479
pretty safe to say they haven't. That's not exactly a leap.

1711
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,000
It looks like Caitlin McLeod wants to know. I used

1712
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,319
to live in Atlanta. So do you think these things

1713
01:28:58,399 --> 01:29:03,119
could be even in the suburbs of downtown Atlanta. Oh?

1714
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I'm in the cab. I'm in Decatur, and

1715
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:11,319
I would not be surprised if there was ones in

1716
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:15,399
the woods around here. I mean, I've seen firsthand that

1717
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:20,840
they can be anywhere. I mean, they're not given both

1718
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,520
of the places I saw then were sort of out

1719
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,479
of the way. Place is one way up in the mountains,

1720
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,439
the other one in a little farming town. But I mean,

1721
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,920
I've heard stories about these play You know, these people,

1722
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:34,079
these things in you know, downtown, small downtown areas. They're

1723
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:37,560
not scared of people, they're not scared of cars, they're

1724
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,600
not scared of anything. They know that they are the

1725
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,960
apex predator. Wherever they are. It would not surprise me

1726
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:47,159
if one walked through downtown Atlanta right now. You're right,

1727
01:29:47,319 --> 01:29:49,199
I mean they show they have no fear, They have

1728
01:29:49,279 --> 01:29:50,199
nothing to fear.

1729
01:29:52,079 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: You're right, you make some really good points. People talk

1730
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,159
about putting up lights and things like that try to

1731
01:29:58,199 --> 01:30:01,359
deter them, but these things have been seen standing under

1732
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:05,760
security lights at night for apparently no particular reason. The

1733
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,199
lights aren't going to drive them off, and in a

1734
01:30:08,199 --> 01:30:10,760
lot of cases it was seen the game cams don't

1735
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,960
drive them off effectively. So yeah, they go where they

1736
01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:16,560
want to go and they do what they want to do,

1737
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:22,600
and that's about all there is to it. Unfortunately. This

1738
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:28,039
next question up is from Caitlin McLeod. Again, she wants

1739
01:30:28,079 --> 01:30:30,720
to know do you think these things could be were

1740
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,279
wolves because it seems as if to me that dog

1741
01:30:33,359 --> 01:30:36,720
men would need woods and coverage where wolves wouldn't need that.

1742
01:30:39,319 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 1: No, because if you go back into were wolf lore,

1743
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:46,439
were wolves are only supposed to be out on nights

1744
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,159
with full moons. And this thing I saw in the

1745
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:53,359
middle of the day, and now, could that be where

1746
01:30:53,399 --> 01:30:56,640
the well wolf where wolf lore came from. That's possible,

1747
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,479
But as far as were wolves in the traditional speak

1748
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,079
about someone transforming into a were wolf, I don't think

1749
01:31:04,119 --> 01:31:07,680
that they could be were wolves. I would say that

1750
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,359
they are dog men and that were wolf is a

1751
01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:13,760
separate crypti. But again, that's something that we may never

1752
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,319
know because we can never really get one of these

1753
01:31:16,359 --> 01:31:17,800
specimens to study easily.

1754
01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not easy to get one to lay on

1755
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,119
a table for examination.

1756
01:31:22,319 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: No, you're right about that.

1757
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,119
Speaker 2: And we don't even know that where wolves exist. I mean,

1758
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:30,520
that's really a stretch to say that they do. But

1759
01:31:31,039 --> 01:31:33,800
it's possible. I mean, anything in this crazy world we

1760
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,359
live in is possible. So I'm not going to rule

1761
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:38,840
it out and say, nah, they definitely aren't out there,

1762
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,600
because I'd be foolish to do that, But i will

1763
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,960
tell you that, gosh, it's really hard to believe that

1764
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,159
they are out there, that they do exist. Again, I'm

1765
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:50,560
going to qualify it again because I have done us

1766
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,920
tons of people saying VIC says that were wolves can't exist.

1767
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,159
Like I said, I'm never going to say that they

1768
01:31:56,199 --> 01:31:58,760
can't be out there. I'm just saying it's hard to

1769
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,479
believe that they are. And here's the question from Cody

1770
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,760
that I missed. Cody laughing wolf. He wants to know

1771
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:10,079
you said, yours was the Skyrim type. Did your encounter, Oh,

1772
01:32:10,199 --> 01:32:13,840
did you encounter more than one male or female. I

1773
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,479
have Sasha, but she's tall and skinny.

1774
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: So I've encountered two on two separate occasions. But each

1775
01:32:23,119 --> 01:32:25,399
encountering I was just one single dog man and what

1776
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,319
multiple ones? As far as male or female, I don't

1777
01:32:29,359 --> 01:32:31,880
have a clue. I really don't. It could have been

1778
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:32,560
all the above.

1779
01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't check it.

1780
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,039
Speaker 1: No, I did not check it. Didn't want I didn't

1781
01:32:38,039 --> 01:32:39,159
stick around long enough.

1782
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,159
Speaker 2: To You can't say I'll blame you there. The next

1783
01:32:42,199 --> 01:32:45,600
one up is from Jim cops or cops, I'm sorry,

1784
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,720
And her question is is this prison near a quarry?

1785
01:32:50,079 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I'm actually not sure. I know

1786
01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:55,439
that it's not far from a paper mill, because in

1787
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:59,600
the mornings you could smell the sulfur from the paper mill,

1788
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,279
But as far as it being near a quarry, I

1789
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,800
don't know if it's near a cory or not. I'd

1790
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,479
have to look that up at some point, but I'm

1791
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:07,920
not sure.

1792
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,159
Speaker 2: I wonder why they wanted to know that.

1793
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,520
Speaker 1: Maybe possibly caves that that lives in in the quarry

1794
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,560
or something. Maybe I don't know. That's that's what I

1795
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:19,159
would guess.

1796
01:33:19,399 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be well, I can tell you this

1797
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,359
if you have a quarry around that definitely does increase

1798
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:26,439
the odds of having a sasquatch in the area.

1799
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, that's.

1800
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,239
Speaker 2: Probably what they're getting at there, wondering if that'll.

1801
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'd have to I'd have to

1802
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,800
look up what's in the area. I don't think there's

1803
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,560
a quarry down there. I know that there is Plant

1804
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:44,880
Vogel nuclear facility not far from there, but that's that's

1805
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,920
the only big industry that I know of, other than

1806
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:47,479
the paper mill.

1807
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:51,359
Speaker 2: Huh, Well, you might have some around. It's hard to say.

1808
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1809
01:33:53,119 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 2: This next one up is I guess a question for

1810
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,199
me DJ Chris Mack wants to know a question for

1811
01:33:59,279 --> 01:34:03,319
Vic if that's so related to what Ryan said, which breed,

1812
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,600
slash type of dog men In other words, Doberman, Alsatian,

1813
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,000
hyena or other is the most common sighting. Well, I

1814
01:34:11,079 --> 01:34:13,960
normally you don't answer questions for me because I want

1815
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,279
the focus to be on the guest, But since we're

1816
01:34:16,279 --> 01:34:20,039
winding down, I will answer this one. Chris, Wow, it

1817
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:23,239
just runs the gammut. There is no real pattern. I mean,

1818
01:34:23,319 --> 01:34:27,000
I've had tons of encounters coming in describing all sorts

1819
01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:30,439
of variants of K and I types and variants of

1820
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:35,279
type threes. As far as the most common type, the

1821
01:34:35,319 --> 01:34:39,520
one that Cody's describing tonight, in both of his encounters,

1822
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,760
that's normally the most commonly reported one. And as far

1823
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,800
as the color goes that vanta black is the most

1824
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,479
common color. Eye color seems like amber is the most

1825
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,319
common for that. So I hope that answered your question there.

1826
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,840
And then the next question for you, Ryan is from

1827
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,560
Big Bird and they want to know so I know

1828
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,479
I can find Bigfoot in the city. Has he gone

1829
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:05,439
looking for dog Man where he is now?

1830
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: No? I have not gone looking for dog Man, and

1831
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,000
I don't intend to go looking for him either. If

1832
01:35:13,039 --> 01:35:15,119
I ever have another encounter, it's not going to be

1833
01:35:15,119 --> 01:35:17,119
because I was trying to find him. It's because I

1834
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:21,199
just happened to stumble across them. But I mean, like

1835
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:23,680
I said, I would not be surprised if there were

1836
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:28,560
ones that were, you know, in Atlanta somewhere. Maybe not

1837
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,760
in downtown because there's not really anywhere for it to hide,

1838
01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:39,680
but in the suburbs immediately outside of downtown, like Buckhead, Duluth, Milton,

1839
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,039
you know, places like that where there's a lot of

1840
01:35:42,039 --> 01:35:44,199
wooded area. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

1841
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,239
Speaker 2: It would really surprise you if you knew these guys.

1842
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:51,479
They come into major metropolitan areas. Yeah, normally you're not

1843
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,079
going to find them downtown, of course, for obvious reasons.

1844
01:35:54,079 --> 01:35:57,680
But they have been reported by very credible eyewitnesses being

1845
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:04,239
well within the city limits of me. Your metropolitan areas Dalla's, Cincinnati, Boston.

1846
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,560
The list just goes on and on and on, so

1847
01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:09,079
they go where they want to do.

1848
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,159
Speaker 1: This one was forty five minutes south of Augusta. That's

1849
01:36:12,199 --> 01:36:13,520
the second biggest city in Georgia.

1850
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:18,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a big one. That's not a cowtown.

1851
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:24,479
This next one up is from Stuart Vandermere Mirwa and

1852
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:28,119
Stuart's question is, hey, Ryan, if you're going into the woods.

1853
01:36:28,279 --> 01:36:30,399
I think he means, if you're going into the woods,

1854
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,319
be sure to be vigilant and aware of your surroundings.

1855
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,079
This will help you when you're in the woods.

1856
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I am. I mean I've always been

1857
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,920
my whole life. I've always been aware and a vigilant.

1858
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,039
That's one thing that's been instilled in me. But ever since,

1859
01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:48,720
you know, my first encounter, especially ban Ala, I had

1860
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,199
the second one, you know, Like I said, this is

1861
01:36:51,239 --> 01:36:54,159
my first venture into the woods in like four years,

1862
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:58,000
so I'm definitely gonna have, you know, my eyes peeled

1863
01:36:58,039 --> 01:37:01,960
for anything that seems a miss. You know, sounds smells,

1864
01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:06,359
especially because I've never actually smelled one, but I've heard

1865
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:10,600
them described as being horrific smelling, So anything like that

1866
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,680
that could signal something as a miss. And you know,

1867
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,239
I'll definitely be very vigilant as to what's around me.

1868
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 2: And that's just common sense. Though You're an intelligent guy,

1869
01:37:22,079 --> 01:37:24,720
so you already know that. But then again, these guys,

1870
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,680
they do get a really bad rap. I'm never going

1871
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,560
to say there aren't dangerous ones out there, and I

1872
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,520
mean a dogmany might have gotten up on the wrong

1873
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,560
side of the log that morning, it might be dangerous.

1874
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,239
But yeah, these guys, they definitely are not wired to

1875
01:37:38,399 --> 01:37:41,560
kill you as soon as the opportunity presents itself. If

1876
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,159
that was the case, I wouldn't have spoken with thousands

1877
01:37:44,279 --> 01:37:47,560
upon thousands of dogmen and eyewitnesses who are caught dead

1878
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,960
to rights but allowed to leave without a scratch. If

1879
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,520
they were wired to be dangerous and actually harm you

1880
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,880
as soon as the opportunity presents itself, you wouldn't have

1881
01:37:57,319 --> 01:38:01,720
nearly as many repeating cases of that being proven not

1882
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:06,560
to be the keys. So yeah, I mean that's a

1883
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,840
given there that's been proven time and time again. This

1884
01:38:10,039 --> 01:38:12,000
last question is going to be the last one of

1885
01:38:12,039 --> 01:38:15,479
the night, and it's from Lisa Dugan. Lisa wants to

1886
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:19,039
know people say that Bigfoot has the ability to cloak themselves.

1887
01:38:19,319 --> 01:38:20,920
Do you think the dogmen can cloak?

1888
01:38:23,319 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean possibly, I know that skin walkers they can

1889
01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:31,960
take on all kinds of forms, But whether or not

1890
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:34,439
dogmen have the ability for something like that, you know,

1891
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,119
it's you know, we really don't know. We know the

1892
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:42,359
basics of them, but as far as the nitty gritty details,

1893
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,039
you know, that's something we may never know. Is it

1894
01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:49,840
possible entirely? But is it likely? You know, I really

1895
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:50,439
couldn't say.

1896
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,079
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Lisa. I have spoken with tons

1897
01:38:54,119 --> 01:38:58,000
of credible eyewitnesses, very credible eyewitnesses who have reported seeing that.

1898
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,800
So it seems like there is some there there that

1899
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,079
they can cloak, or at least some of them can.

1900
01:39:04,319 --> 01:39:07,880
However that works, So I hope that answers your question. But,

1901
01:39:08,039 --> 01:39:10,399
like Ryan said, unless we have them on a table

1902
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:14,880
and have full access to them for a long period

1903
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:16,720
of time. There's no way to find out what the

1904
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,920
extent of their abilities are. All we can do is

1905
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:23,199
guess on that. So that's all there is to that. Well,

1906
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,439
before we get out of if you're Ryan, do you

1907
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,239
have any clothes in comments you'd like to put out

1908
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:27,880
there for us?

1909
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,560
Speaker 1: No, just for those that got in the woods like

1910
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,880
people are, Like y'all told me, be vigilant. These things

1911
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,079
are out there and they do mean harm in a

1912
01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:43,039
lot of instances. You know, I wouldn't want anyone that's

1913
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:45,680
listening to be out in the woods and miss one

1914
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,199
of the signs and you know, end up on the

1915
01:39:48,199 --> 01:39:51,159
wrong side of one. And also, like I said before,

1916
01:39:51,319 --> 01:39:53,960
protect y'all's identities and do not end up in prison

1917
01:39:54,039 --> 01:39:56,880
like I did. But other than that, you know, it's

1918
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,239
it's been an absolute blast being back on the show.

1919
01:39:59,279 --> 01:39:59,880
It's been great.

1920
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's been great having you back on full disclosure here.

1921
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,520
I hope you never do have to come back on

1922
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,119
because that would mean you never have another encounter with

1923
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:15,600
one of these things. But that's right, Like we've established before, though,

1924
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,319
if you do have another encounter, and we'll like to

1925
01:40:17,319 --> 01:40:19,359
come back on to tell us about it. Then by

1926
01:40:19,359 --> 01:40:21,399
all means I'll be here. Please let me.

1927
01:40:21,399 --> 01:40:23,279
Speaker 1: Know I definitely will.

1928
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 2: Good Man, I appreciate it. Well, I haven't set all

1929
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,479
that Ryan. Like I said, I really appreciate you coming

1930
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,800
back on to fill us in on what's been going on.

1931
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,319
And yeah, thanks so much for your time and have

1932
01:40:35,359 --> 01:40:38,760
a great night. Well that's it for another live stream.

1933
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:41,680
As always, thanks so much for listening to the show everyone,

1934
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,960
and for supporting these eyewitnesses. I really appreciate it, I

1935
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,079
really do. And of course, if you've had a dog

1936
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:50,199
man encounter of your own, that means seeing it with

1937
01:40:50,279 --> 01:40:52,479
your own eye, is not a buddy's encounter that you

1938
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:55,159
want to tell me about secondhand. No, if you've had

1939
01:40:55,159 --> 01:40:58,319
an encounter with your own two eyes seeing a dog

1940
01:40:58,399 --> 01:41:01,199
man and would either like to get help from me

1941
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:03,960
coming to terms with it, or maybe you'd like to

1942
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:06,800
come on the show and share the experience or experiences,

1943
01:41:07,319 --> 01:41:10,920
please go to dogmandencounters dot com and submit a report.

1944
01:41:11,319 --> 01:41:13,560
If you do that, then I'd be more than happy

1945
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,119
to schedule a film consultation with you so we could

1946
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:19,760
talk about it. But having said all that, thank you

1947
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,760
everyone again so much for listening in. Have a great night,