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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another
live stream episode of dog Man Encounters Radio. We really
appreciate you joining us in our day to day lives.
It's funny how we take so many things for granted.
It's almost like we get too comfy and we think
we know what's coming in, what we shouldn't have to
worry about, what can't happen to us in our lives. Well,
tonight's guest is a testament to the fact that while
we all might think we have a certain level of
control of our lives, things can hit us just out
of the blue that you never saw coming, you wouldn't
even imagine could possibly happen. I'm not going to get
into details on that right now. I'm going to let
tonight's guest explain to you what happened to him, and
when he does, it's just going to blow your mind
the way it blew my mind when he told me
about what had gone down. Without any further ado, let's
bring tonight's guest on. Tonight's guest is Ryan. Ryan, thanks
so much for coming to the.
Speaker 1: Show, coming back to the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for coming back. You're right for
everyone listening. Ryan was a guest. He was featured on
episode two fifty, and like he brought to my attention
before we started tonight, here this is episode five fifty,
so this is exactly three hundred episodes later, that he's back.
I hate the idea of.
Speaker 1: That, exactly. I passed to go three hundred times, but
unfortunately did not collect the two hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did. I like the fact that you're back tonight,
so we get to catch up on what you've been
going through, except for one aspect of it. Of course,
a listeners are going to hear. But yeah, I hate
the idea that you're back because he had another encounter
that's not good.
Speaker 1: Now, a dog man encounter is never good, but it
can be educating, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yes it can. Yeah, they almost always are. And speaking
of that, I saw a comment in the live chat
before we went live where someone said that they hope
it's a good one tonight. I think it's going to
be a good one. Well, there are no good dog
Man encounters except ones that never happened in the first place.
I tried to make a comment on that in the
live chat, but I got a message from YouTube. That
YouTube thought my comment was actually spam, so it blocked it.
There's some interesting problems with doing this the live streamway.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: I think they're algorith that might be broken on that.
Speaker 2: One might be. Yeah, if it's not one thing, it's
been the other and all I've been having problems. But anyway,
like I told you before, Ryan, I'm so glad that
you hear. Thanks again so much for coming back. We
really do appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: That's no problem we do.
Speaker 2: And for all the listeners who might have missed episode
two fifty, which that's been about five years now, four
to five years, please tell us about yourself, please give
us a bio.
Speaker 1: So, like I know, my name is Ryan. At the
time of the first episode, I was twenty three or
twenty four. I'm twenty nine now, so I'm getting on
up there. Born and raised in North Georgia. For the
longest time, the Chattahooche National Forest was my backyard. It
covers pretty much all of North Georgia and a vast
part of Tennessee and the Carolinas as well. And I
grew up in those mountains, you know, fishing, camping, hiking,
off roading. You know, I'm a huge car enthusiast, a
huge cheap enthusiast. You know, if I wasn't working, or
you know, once I graduated, if I wasn't at school,
if you were looking for where I was, I was
probably up there somewhere. So I've spent my whole life
out in the woods, and I thought that I had
encountered everything that there was. But I found out one
night that I was sorely, sorely mistaken. So this was
a man probably twenty seventeen. It's been seven years ago
this encounter happened. Probably I had two friends, Colin and Walker,
and it was a Friday night and they called me
and they were like, well, hey, we've got nothing going
on tonight, are you busy. I'm like, no, I'm not
doing anything at all this week, and why what's up?
And Colin he was from a place up in West
Virginia called Ghent, and Walker he was from Los Angeles.
So Colin he grew up in the Appalachian Mountains, so
he was a big, burly, redneck dude. Walker he was
a complete city slicker. He had never really been deep
in the woods. You know, he'd been fishing and camping,
but you know, glamping more be described as what he
would do. So he was like, I think it would
be cool to take walker deep up in the mountains
and take them, you know, on some trails and mud
riding whatever. I was like, Yeah, let's do it. Well,
it was during the summertime, and it had rained for
a lot of that week, and actually the week before
it was we were just having torrential downpours. And if
anyone that is listening has ever off roaded, especially rock crawling,
rain changes the dynamic of the trail. So, by the
grace of God, we had the top and doors on
my jeep because I did not feel like cleaning mud
out from the interior for the next day. Well, we
get up to the trail. It was early in the morning.
I can't remember the exact time, but it was after midnight,
probably one point thirty two in the morning, if I
had to guess. And we're going through the trail, we
were doing the easy part, We're getting up to the
hard part. We do the first initial hard part and
we get up to a much easier basically a dirt
road section that bridges the two the hard sections. And
while I think it was Colin told me that he
needed to take a week, and I'm like, yeah, I
got you also. So we get out, go to opposite
sides of the trail, you know, take a week. Well,
we're going to get back into my jeep, and that
is when we initially heard the first call of the
dog Man. It was this. I described it last time
as a how screech scream all meshed up into one
demonic noise, and to this day, I still stand by
that that is the best description that I have of it.
And we get back in the jeep and Walker he
didn't actually get out. It was just me and Colin
the gut out and we look in the back seat
and he was like, what in the world was that?
And the truth was, I didn't even know what it was.
Like I said, I'd been in the woods my whole
life and I had never heard anything that sounded anything
like that at all. You know, I was thinking it
was like a coyote in distress, or it was a bobcat,
or it was some kind of bear that you know,
was you had some kind of deformity or something, because
I mean, everything that came to mind was an animal
that was not right and That's the only things that
came to mind was that's an animal. That's not right
some way, somehow. Well, Colin gave me this look, and
it was this look like I don't know what that
was either, but I don't want to say anything, because
Walker had never been in the woods and we were
trying to introduce him to the woods as like, hey,
this is a safe haven, you're good here. It turns
out that that terrible introduction. Anyway, So we get up
to the next heart section, and this section is a
lot more technical, and we are coming up to it
was actually the entrance right before it, and the headlights
caught something. And I had led headlights in the jeep.
They were aftermarket and they were ridiculously bright. If I
was going down the road at night and flick the
high beams on, they would light up street signs, you know,
three fourths of a mile away, and that's no exaggeration.
They were insanely bright. And the cutoff for the low
beam was a pretty good distance. So I caught something
and the cut off of low beams and I hit
the brakes. Now I was like, did you see that.
My friend looked to me and he goes, no, no,
what he missed it. He didn't see it. He goes, no,
what was it? I was like, I don't know. So
I flicked the high beams on. And when I flicked
the high beams on, in the middle of the road,
on all fours was a creature like I had never
seen before. And the first thing, this is the part
that stuck out to this day, it sticks out to
me the most. The thing that I noticed right away
was its coat. Its coat absorbed every bit of light
that those headlights were putting off. Like I said, these
were full aftermarket housing led headlights specifically for wranglers, specifically
four off roading. They are stupidly bright and they reflect
off of everything. They did not reflect off of this
dog man's coat. It absorbed it like a black hole.
And that was the thing that stood out to me. Initially.
I was like wow. I was like, the coat on
that bear is unlike anything I've ever seen. I've seen
brown bears, I've seen black bears, you know, in my
travels out west, I've seen grizzly bears. I had never
seen a bear that had a coat like that. Well,
that's when it stood up and I very quickly realized
that that was not a bear. So it stood up
and this thing on its back legs, probably in relation
to how big my jeep was was maybe seven seven
and a half eight feet at the most tall. It
was huge. And Walker he's like, that's a werewolf. I'm
like no. I was like, I didn't know what it was.
But I was trying to calm him now because the
last thing I needed was him freaking out. I was like, no,
I was like, it's a bear. I was like, you're good,
it's just a bear. It's got mange. It's a bear,
you know. I was just trying to play it off.
And then it just was gone, like I mean a snap.
It was gone. It just disappeared. And I had never
seen anything move that fast, and it honestly moved so
fast that at first I thought we were all hallucinating,
Like did we actually all just see that? Because there
is nothing that can just be there and be gone
that quick, but dog Man can. So we keep going
up the trail. We finally get to the super hard
part of the hard part, and like I said, it's
super wet, super technical. I'm having to go really really
slow because if you go fast, you risk breaking your vehicle,
and it was just us, just the one vehicle. I
didn't have any way to repair my vehicle if it
broke up there because all of my tools and all
my spare parts were in my garage. So I was
going slow. Well, we heard that screech again, except this
time it was a lot closer, and for some reason,
I hit the brakes, and when I did, in the
rear view mirror in the rear window of my jeep,
I saw this thing and its head filled up the
entire rear window of my Wrangler. Now I had a
soft top and aftermarket soft top, and from one corner
of the other, and I did measure this. Actually from
one corner of the other, that top is or the
window is thirty six inches diagonally. This thing filled up
almost all of the rear window. Then I saw the clause.
The claws drug from one corner of the window all
the way down. And if anyone knows anything about jeeps
or those polyurethane soft windows that they have, they can
be punctured actually quite easily, but it's never a clean slice.
You could take the sharpest knife you have in your kitchen,
go up to one and it'll puncture it. But if
you drag it, it's going to catch and it's going
to actually stretch the plastic versus you know, actually slice
through it. It's more of a stretch than than a slice.
This thing's claws were so sharp, and they were probably
half an inch wide to an inch Wie, they were huge.
This thing's claws were so sharp that it was a
clean slice. And when I say clean, I mean surgically
precise slice. And I threw caution to the wind. I said,
screw this. I was like, if I break my vehicle,
I break my vehicle. But I'd rather have that than
anything else. And I high tiled a pata there. I
mean I rally car status to that jeep through that trail,
and then we finally got back onto the main road,
which took us down through hell and Georgia, through Cleveland, Georgia,
and then back down to where I was from. And
nothing was really said. The only thing that was said,
and I think it was my friend Colin that said it.
He was he always had a very dry sense of humor,
and he was trying to light the situation because none
of us could really wrap our minds around what we saw.
And he was like well, hell, Ryan, you'd never told
me that trail took us to Skyrim. I was just
like yeah, I was like, uh, yeah, you know, cool.
But the whole time I'm thinking, like, what in God's
name was then? And for a long time, you know,
I it was something I would think about, but then
I would forget it happened, and then something just out
of the blue would remind me like, oh yeah, I
wonder what that thing was on a trail that night.
And for about a year, year and a half somewhere
around there, I just sort of occasionally would wonder, like, huh,
what was that? Well I got I was selling cars
at the time, and I actually got out of the
car sales industry and started working for a collision center
as a manager. We needed a receptionist, so I hired
a lady whose name was Denise, and Denise, you know,
she came on. And one thing that I liked to
do when I hired new people is all the people
that worked the front end, I would buy them all
lunch and we would sit in the conference room and
we'd all have lunch together, so we were, you know,
we could all get to know each other. So we're
sitting around the table and I'm letting you, Denise introduce herself,
and she was like. I was like, well, Denise, what's
one fun fact about you? That's one thing I would
ask all new hires. So I give us one fun, quirky,
random off the wall fact about you, so something we
can make fun of you for or get, you know,
something will have in common or whatever it is. And
she goes, well, I used to be a paranormal investigator.
And everyone just sort of stopped eating, because, you know,
rather you believe in the paranormal, whether it be cryptids
or ghosts or spirits or whatever, whether you believe or not,
paranormal stuff has a very very good way of drawing
even non believers in. You know, even if you take
them just for their story value. They're great stories and
people love listening to anything paranormal. So I was already hooked.
I was like, Okay, this woman's going to be cool.
I need to talk to her. Well, she threw a
question back at us. She was like, well, how many
of y'all have had a paranormal encounter? She goes, or
just any encounter that you cannot explain, and you know
you had. We had the typical sort of mix of
response is when I was a kid my door had
opened randomly, or yeah, my grandmother's house, we would hear
whispers in the night or whatever. She looked to me,
just dead in the eyes. It's almost like she knew.
She was like, well, what about you, Ryan, you ever
had anything that you just can't explain happened? And now
it was like, okay, God, You've put this woman in
my life for some reason, but I'm about to find
out why. I told her. I was like, well, I
was like yeah. I was like, but I don't want
to go into it right now. I was like, before
we leave tonight, though, I was like, come find me.
I was like, we'll walk out to our cars together
and you know, and I'll tell you what happened. She goes, okay, Well,
that night comes and she comes to my office, knocks
on the door. She goes, all right, she goes walk
with me. So I walked with her. Excuse me, And
she goes, well, you know, normally, when I ask anyone
if they've ever had panalle on my counter and they
say yes, I'll tell you, but yeah, I just wanted
to be one on one. She goes, what they saw
was either really made up or it was really real.
I was like, well, I can tell you that what
I saw was really real. It was definitely not really
made up. I was like, and I've got two of
my best friends this witness also and I told her
the same story that I just told Joel, and she
was like, well, that sounds to me like a dog man.
I'm like dog man. And I was like, I've never
heard of a dog man and she's like, oh, yeah,
a lot of people haven't. I was like, I've heard
a big foot, I've heard of offman, I've heard of
skin walkers, I've heard of all this stuff. I was like,
but I've never heard of dog man. She goes, oh yeah,
she goes, well, we do some googling. She goes, look
it up. See what you think, see if that match
is what you saw. So that night, when I went home,
I went on YouTube and just looked up dog man.
Actually saw your channel. But you know, I kept scrolling
down because I was wanting to find videos, you know,
people captured on camera or whatever. And I came across
a video and I cannot remember now what the title
of it was, but the premise of the video was
two guys. I think they were actually about teenagers or
even younger. They were out in the woods somewhere just filming,
just randomly filming, not filming anything in particular, and while
they were filming, they unknowingly captured a dog man looking
around like a tree, trunk or stump or it was
looking around something at them. And when they went back
to view the video, I guess that's when they saw it,
and they edited to slow it down and they put
it on YouTube. Like I said, I can't remember what
the name of that video was. It's been so long ago.
But when I saw the slowed down portion the head
came around the corner of the tree, it sent a
chill down my spine. I was like, I text Colin,
sent him the link to it, and I was like,
watch this. Tell me this is not what we saw
on the trail a year and a half ago. And
he watched it and he responded back very quickly actually,
and he was like, Weyleb, he goes to a t
he goes, that is exactly the face that we saw
in your rear window. And from there I started doing
more research, went back to your channel, started listening to
some of you know, the stories and all that found
your website and submitted my initial story and he was like, yeah,
you know, I would love to be on your show.
And that was show two fifty and now here we are,
three hundred episodes later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, it is really hard to
believe that so many episodes have gone by.
Speaker 1: I know, four or five years. Knocking on the door
of six, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting pretty closed, really close.
Speaker 1: I'd say.
Speaker 2: It was asked in the chat. I probably shouldn't ask
this until after you've told us about your second encounter,
but I want to address this now. Of all the
movie were wolves out there, which one would you say
most closely resembles the one that was looking through the
back window?
Speaker 1: Okay. You know what's funny is I am not much
of a movie watcher and I actually don't really get
into horror movies, believe it or not. When it comes
to movies, I am a classic James Bond and Indiana
Jones type of guy. My favorite movie though, is Oppenheimer
Fantastic of y'all, I've never seen it. But werewolf movies,
I believe it or not, I've never actually really watched
a lot of them. If anyone has ever played Skyrim,
and they have. You've come across the werewolves that are
down in like the swamplands in the woods. That is
the closest thing that I can think of to this
is a video game reference, of all things. But take
the creature from Skyrim and put the head of a
Doberman on it, and that is pretty much how I
would describe it.
Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't pan a pretty picture, does it.
Speaker 1: No? Definitely not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it doesn't. I touched on this right
at the very top of the show where I was
talking about how you think that you know what to
expect out of life. You don't expect any true blind
size or anything like that. But what I'm getting at
here is, unfortunately you spent four years in prison due
to a crime you didn't commit. Please talk us through all.
Speaker 1: That, right, So it actually happened not long after I
was on your show. So in twenty seventeen, I bought
my jeep. And I'm going to leave the name of
the financial institution out of this just because I don't
want to get suited. But the financial institution that I
financed my jeep through had a data breach and a
lot of people's identities got stolen. Mine was one of them. Well,
my identity ended up on.
Speaker 3: The dark Web, and whoever purchased it from the dark
web used my identity to create accounts on the dark
Web to try to then commit further crimes.
Speaker 1: I mean a whole host of financial crimes, money laundering,
I mean all kinds of things. The State of Georgia
has some very very interesting policies and very interesting laws
pertaining to identity crimes. And one of those things is basically,
if your identity is stolen, and whether it be people
opening accounts that you can't pay for or people committing
crimes using your identity, you are held responsible for what
is done with your identity, which blows my mind. So
it was probably actually a little bit longer after I
went off your show, because the actual crime quote unquote
happened in March of eighteen. Identity was stolen some time
in late twenty seventeen. The crime was actually or crimes
were actually committed in March of twenty eighteen. I did
not get arrested for them until December twenty third of
twenty and nineteen. I spent fourteen months in county jail
fighting them This was right when COVID started, so everything
was postponed and I was not able to get a
bond hearing. Finally did get a bond hearing in February
of twenty twenty one. So that's actually longer than fourteen
Well now that is fourteen months. Yeah, fourteen months later,
get a bond, get out on bond. I'm out on
bond for nine months again trying to fight this charge
and the public defender because I didn't have money to
get my own lawyer, not for you know, seven different felonies.
They were wanting a ridiculous amount. They were wanting like
thirty five forty thousand dollars to take my case on it.
I just didn't have it, so I had to settle
with a public defender. She basically told me that you
have two options. She goes, you can go to trial
and we can try to convince the jury that you
were not the one behind the computer st you know,
taking all these people's money and everything. She goes, or
you can take a plea deal. I was like, okay,
well what are we looking at both ways? Because I
was wanting to go to trial. I really was, because
I'm like I shouldn't have to take a plea deal
for something that I know I didn't do, and we
had proved that I didn't do it. Because the date
that these crimes were supposedly committed, which they were supposedly
committed out of Indiana, I'm in Georgia. Nudge, nudge, something's
off there. I wasn't even in Georgia. I was actually
in Nashville, Tennessee. But they didn't care about that. She
and my lawyer goes, well, if you go to trial
and lose, they're going to hit you with the maximum
they always do. And I was like, well, what's the maximum?
She goes twenty five years. I sort of was like okay.
I'm like, so if we take a plea deal, what
are we looking at there? And she goes four years
followed by six years of probation. I was like, that's
a big difference between a plea deal and going a trial.
I'm like, so they're going to offer me four years
pro or four years in prison followed by six years
of probation for taking the plea deal, But if I
go to trial and fight for myself, they want to
give me twenty five Like that's insane and The only
reason I actually ended up taking the plea deal is
one they were willing to drop five of my charges,
actually six of my charges and just plee out to
two different charges misuse of identity, which is very ironic
to me because I'm like, Okay, I'm the one that
got the identity stolen, but you're charging me with felony
misuse of identity. How does that make sense? This is
my identity and then one count of money laundering over
the amount of twenty thousand dollars. So I ended up
taking a plea deal. I don't want to say that
I was railroaded, but I was railroaded. I was thinking
more of my family in the long run than I
was really myself. I'm my mom. She's sixty. I knew that, well,
she's sixty now, she wasn't at the time. I knew
that if I took a plea deal and did my
four years and got out, I could still continue to
fight it, but I would be able to see my
mother again. She would still be, you know, healthy enough
and young enough that I could still have good, healthy, solid,
long term interaction with her. I knew that if I
went to trial and lost, which the way that Georgia
laws are set up, basically, it's designed for you to lose.
There was a very good chance that I would never
get to see my mother again, and that is not
something that I wanted to have to face. So I
took the plea deal thinking of my mother and my
brother and my grandmother more than I was of myself.
Do I regret that, not really? Do I wish it
never happened, Absolutely, But in retrospect, you know, when you
are talking about being able to see your mother continue
to age healthfully and know that you have plenty of
years more left with her, I would I would take
that plea till five times over if I had to,
if I made, you know, being back out with my mom.
But that's how I ended up with four years of
my life wasted a Georgia State prison system.
Speaker 2: Holy col Ryan, that's absolutely horrible. It really is. You're
put into a really difficult situation that there was no
good way out of. You just dealt with it the
best way you knew how. And yeah, that's a situation,
like I said, that could happen to any of us,
and it's important to not lose sight of the fact
that it could possibly happen. It's best not to get
too comfy in your life because you never know when
something like that might come around. You really don't well.
Speaker 1: A bit of advice to anyone that is listening. Invest
in LifeLock. It doesn't have to be like name brand,
but a lot of banks they offer LifeLock. Please, please,
please do what you can to save your identity because
I never did, and I thought I was one of those. Oh,
it will never happen to any things, will go into
prison as another it'll never happen to be thinking. Please
do things that you need to do to safeguirl guard
your identity because if they have stuff that monitors the
dark web, and if your identity shows up, they can
actually shut it down when they find it. If I
had had that at the time, I wouldn't you know,
I wouldn't meet here right now. I wouldn't never have
gone to prison. So please y'all get some kind of
identity lock, you know, whatever it is, Please do them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very good advice for the aforementioned reasons. Well, Ryan,
I guess it's time now. Please tell us about this
most recent encounter. Give us every last detail that comes
to mind.
Speaker 1: So in prisoners. They refer to prisons as camps. So
y'all are gonna hear me use some prison lingo and
I'll explain sort of what some of the prison lingo means,
so maybe I'll learn something. But the first camp that
I always had was way, way way in South Georgia.
We were like two counties up from the Florida Order,
in a city called Morgan, Georgia, the closest big city
down there. Was already spent eighteen months there. The second
camp that I was at is in the city of Millan, Georgia.
And Millan, Georgia is a suburb of Augusta. It's about
forty five minutes to an hour south of Augusta. We're
not far or it wasn't far from the South Carolina border.
In fact, that whole area is called the CSRA, which
stands for Central Savannah River Area, and it encompasses you know,
Augusta and the north side of Macon, and you know
a whole bunch of just small little farming towns up there. Well,
Jenkins County, which is where the city of Millan is.
There are two sources of employment for this county. You
have your two options. Are you can be a farmer,
or you can work at the prison. There's nothing else.
There is the farms and there is the prison. Well,
the land that the prison was on was actually owned
by a farmer. And the officers that worked the prison,
the correctional officers, they would describe this farmer as the
Donald Trump of Millin. You know Donald Trump owns, you know,
most of New York City. Well, this dude owns most
of Jenkins County as far as the you know, land
that has not been developed on. If there's something they
the way they were to is if you see land
down here that is not built on, he owns it. Okay,
fair enough. Well, the back of the prison it faced
one of his fields. It was a rotational field. And
what I mean by that is sometimes they would have
cotton planted. Sometimes they would have corn planted. When this happened,
it was corn crop out there. And if anyone's ever
been in any farmland you know anywhere that grow corn,
you know, corn can grow really, really really tall. It's
a very very tall crop. Well, it was a summer
of twenty three and I'm laying back in my bunk
and we had two different wreck yards. Well, actually, let
me start with the wreck yard. We had two different
wreck yards. We had the big yard and we had
a small yard. Now the big yard it was for
the whole compound. The housing areas are referred to as
dorms by inmates, and a dorm is nothing more than
where the inmates. You have the day room, which is
where the TVs and the tables and all that are.
You have the cuts which is where the bunks are,
and then you have the bathrooms and the showers and
all that in the back. Well. There are three buildings
on site, well four if you include where the chow
hall and all that is the cafeteria. There's three buildings
that house inmates and they are broken up into one, two, three,
ten different dorms. That account in my head there's ten
separate dorms. Well, the reckyard was open. The big yard
was open throughout the week, but you know each day
it was Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays. Each day it was
a different building. We had one hundred building, two hundred building,
and three hundred building. Now it's a three hundred building,
which means our wreck time, our big yard time was
on Fridays, so it was the middle of summer. And
in south central Georgia, which this is really middle Georgia,
but anywhere south of Atlanta it is a sweat box.
Even if it's nice and cool in the morning, the
humidity is still going to just drench you. So I
didn't feel like going out. I was laid back in
my buck reading. Well. All of a sudden, they'd have
been out for maybe half an hour, and when they
open up big yard, it's opened up all day, so
they're out for like half an hour. It's you know,
mid morning, and all of a sudden, everyone starts coming
back in and they're being rounded by officers. You'll get
back to your dorms. Get back to your dorms. We
gotta lock down. We got a lockdown. I'm like, wow,
you I was thinking that something had happened on the compound,
and that's what everyone was thinking. So in prisons there
is a big issue with contraband cell phones. Inmates will
pay correctional officers to smuggle in like straight talk phones
for them, and they use those phones to get in
touch with other people on the compound, people at different prisons.
You know, they're family and friends that are out there
on the street. You know, they use it to basically
run their lives as normal as they can while they're
in prison. But they're illegal. You're not supposed to have
the contraband. So people that had the phones, you know,
they start pulling them out, you know, incognito, trying to
hide them from the cameras, hide them from the officers,
and they're trying to shoot off messages whoever they can.
You know, people at this prison, people at other prisons like, hey,
we just went on lockdown. Did something happen in one
of the all's buildings, or did something happen in one
of the prisons that's near us? Because that area of
the state is super saturated with prisons. There's prisons all
over down there because of how rural it is. It's
close enough to major cities that people from the cities
commute if they want, but it's rural enough that people
are comfortable with having a whole bunch of hoodlums down there.
For lack of a better term. Your turn. Well, we
find out that, yeah, there's nothing going on. Nothing happened
here at the prison. You know, nothing happened in any
other prisons. You know. Everything it's smooth sailing as far
as the Georgia Dequartment Corrections goes it's you know, smooth
sailing from here. We're on good waters. So we're scratching
our heads like what in the world happened? And they
the officers were really really bad about not keeping us
informed about what was going on, so we were just
sort of left to speculate. But there was one officer
he worked overnights. Cannot remember what his name was to
life for me. But we were finally like, hey, what
is going on? Why are we on lockdown? Because lockdown
it is a pain for officers, Like they tried to
avoid lockdown except for the most extreme circumstances because everything
has to come to us. Our food, medical, if you
take medication, they have something called pill call. They would
have to bring the pill cart down, which we called
pills on wheels. They would have to bring that down
to us, and it just made everything so much more
of a hassle. It took a ten minute ordeal and
made it into an hour and a half problem. So
they would avoid everything that they could to put us
on lockdown. So the fact that they put us on
lockdown told us that something major had happened, but we
couldn't figure out what well. We finally were able to
find out, and he said, well, he goes. I'll tell
y'all he goes, But y'all cannot tell anyone that it
came from me, he said. The farmer that owns all
of the land behind this prison. He said, he woke
up this morning and he found two of his cows,
clean slice down the middle, just mutilated, he said, just
a precision slice right down the middle. He goes, two
completely separate halves. And on top of that, he was
missing two, three, four, I forget the number of goats.
He had a bunch of livestock, but he was missing
a number of goats. And he found the carcasses of
the goats on the other side of his property in
the woods. And and I say other side of property,
I'm not talking about you're walking from one side of
your backyard to the other. I'm talking about you're having
to get in a side by side and you have
to take a five to ten minute ride two and
a half miles to the other side of the property.
And they could not figure out how the goats got
out of the pen, because he had an actual enclosure
for the goats, and something had gotten in there and
taken the goats out and then mutilated them and just
left them in the woods. So we were on lockdown
because the county could not figure out what happened. I
don't know if they thought that an inmate had got
out and just went haywire on some cows or what.
I don't know, but they put us on lockdown. Well,
I think it was that night or the following night.
I'm laying back in my bunk. I'm reading a Michael kalganovl.
I'm reading one of us Harry Bosch books, which are great.
I love them. And my buddy Montana he comes up.
He goes, hey, come over to the door and listen
to this. I'm like, man, it's like one thirty in
the morning. I was like, what do you want me
to come listen to? He goes, come listen. So I
jumped down off of my bunk and I walk over
to the door that goes to the wreck yard, the
small yard, the one that is for each dorm. And
I'm standing there for I don't know, thirty seconds, forty
five seconds, and I'm like, what am I supposed to
be listening for? I don't hear anything. He goes just listen,
and I heard a scream that I had not heard
in years, and it was that growl, howl, just demonic
sound that I knew immediately what it was when I
heard it, and I looked at into my buddy Montana,
and I was like, I know exactly what that is.
And he just sort of looked to me. He's all cocky,
and he goes, oh really, he goes, do you. He goes, well,
please do tell what is it. I was like, well,
I was like that my friend of the dog man.
And he gave me this look and he goes, what
in the world is a dog man? And I told
him the story about that night on the trail and
he was like, dude, he goes, no, and he goes,
you saw a bear. I was like, no, it was
not a bear. It was not a bear. People tried
to tell me that for years. I was like, it's
not a bear, my man. He goes, no, you saw
a bear? He goes whatever, he goes, He goes, it's
probably just a coyote. I was like, okay, yeah, I
think whatever, it's a dog man, but I'll see in
the morning. Whatever. Well, the next day it had had
rained that night, so the small yard was opened up.
We were off lockdown. The small yard was opened up,
and it was a lot cooler. So I decided that
I was actually gonna go out there and sit in
the chairs and you know, finish off my book outside.
So there were one hundred and twenty people that were
in the dorm and there were maybe thirty thirty five
forty at the most of us out there on the
small yard. Some people were working out, some people were
just kicking back on the chairs reading. Some people were
out there playing basketball, just you know, just doing whatever. Well,
one of the guys, we called him old school, he points,
he goes, what is that? He goes, look at that?
And I sort of look up for my book and
I look where he's pointing. He's pointing out into the
field and maybe ay fifteen hundred feet. I just saw
the top of a head over the corner and I
saw the ears. And as soon as I saw the ears,
I put my book down. My buddy Montana was out there.
I was like Montana, I was like, come here, you
did the little one finger come on thing. He goes,
what now? I was like, look out into that field,
and I was like, tell me what you see. He goes,
I see ears. I was like yeah, I was like,
just wait. I was like, I don't know what's going
to happen. I was like, but just wait. Well, this
thing stood up, and the first one I saw was
maybe about seven and a half eight feet. This thing
was a monster. It was at a minimum eleven feet.
It may have been bigger, but it was at least
eleven feet. And the thing again that drew my attention
was its coat. This is mid morning, early afternoon in
the Georgia summer sunshine, and it looked like that you
had dipped this thing in the tub of van to black,
the blackest substance on earth, because it just absorbed all
of delight. Nothing reflected off of it. Did not look
shiny at all. It just looked like flat black. And
I'm out there with people that are affiliated gang members,
people that are assassins for those gangs. One of the
people that was on the yard that day was an
assassin for a gang who I'm not going to mention
names of gangs, but he was an assassin and he
was in prison with life without parole for six murders.
And he would always make the comment he goes, well,
that's that's only the ones that they know about, indicating
that he had a lot more under his belt than
just the six he got arrested. He went white as
a ghost. And I have never seen this man scared.
This man is six foot five, three hundred pounds of
pure muscle, tattooed from the top of his head to
the bottom of his feet. He was, you know, like
the definition of the dorm alpha male. You didn't mess
with him, No one messed with him. But this man
tucked his tail and he went sprinting back inside, whimpering.
So it stands up and it's it doesn't really look
over at us. It's looking away. But I mean, I
don't know if it didn't acknowledge us. I'm sure it
knew that we were there, but it didn't feel a
need to like let us know that it knew. It
knew that we were there, If that makes sense. That's
a word spaghetti, But that's the easiest way I know
how to describe it. So we go back in and
there was a guy. He had been in prison for
like thirty to thirty five years. We called him old school,
and he's stomping around the dorm and he was like,
it's a prophecy. He goes, it's the prophecy. Someone's like
old school, They're like, man, what in the world are
you hollering about? He goes, I just he goes, we
just witnessed a demon. And everyone's like a demon and
they're like yeah, And I'm just sitting back, not saying anything,
just with my arms crossed, like if y'all want to
know what it is, all y'all got to do is
come talk to this boy right here. I know what
it is. Y'all can figure it out amongst yourselves. But
I know, I mean, that was a demon and is
such a melting pot of people because people from all
walks of life get locked up for whatever reason. So
I was in there with people that they had been
homeless their whole life, people that had owned multimillion dollar companies,
you know, people that they just had petty theft charges,
petty drug charges, people that had you know, multiple counts
of murder. People from all different religions Christians, Muslims, Wiccans,
you know, people that were agnostic, people that were atheists,
people that were Buddhists, you know, Hindu. Everyone was in prison.
So it was interesting to see people of different ethnical
and religious backgrounds tried to relate what they saw out
there to their personal ethnical and religious beliefs. The Christians
were saying it was a demon, the Muslims for quoting
something from the Kuran and I can't remember what it was.
The Buddhists were saying it was one of their you know,
one of their God. The Hindus were saying pretty much
the same, and the Wickens they were saying that it
was something that the the solar system or something had
manifested or I'm not really sure believe, but I know
it's something with spirituality and solar manifestation or something. So
they were saying that it was something sent by the
cosmos to Earth. So I'm like, no, y'all are all wrong.
It's just a dog man. But again, if y'all are,
I should put a sign on myself that says dog
man expert, please ask questions. But didn't think to at
the time. Well, a couple of days go by, Actually
more than a couple of days. It was weeks went
by and we're back out. And when I say weeks,
I'm talking about maybe a month and a half two
months later. So it was. It was a good a
good time. After We're back out on the yard, in
the small yard, and it was getting to be nighttime.
It was you know, wasn't getting dark dark, but it
was getting to the part where the sun, you know,
starting sun starting to dip below the horizon and things
are starting to get dark quick. Well, they have something
called the Pea truck, and PA sends for a perimeter
and the only job of the Pea truck is to
drive around the perimeter of the prison all day and
all night. And they're they're the only people in prison
that are actually armed. The officers I work with inside
the facility, they don't have they don't even have tasers.
They have cans of pepper spray, but they don't have
anything beyond that the Pea truck. If you are an
officer that works the Pea truck, you have a glock
forty five, you have a remming team, twelve gags with buckshot,
and you have an AR fifteen. Those are the three
weapons that you have on well, not on your person.
The glock's on your person, but the other two are
just in the truck. Well, the Pea truck goes by
and it goes beyond where we can see, like around
the corner, beyond where we can see, and we hear
the tires screech, and we look up and this truck
is flying in reverse, I mean flying, and the dude
he gets out and he's got twelve gage in his
hand and he looks over at us and he goes,
y'all get back in your dorms. He goes, get back
in your dorms now. And we didn't know what was
going on. We just know that there is a correction
officer with a twelve gage in his hand, acting like
he just saw the Virgin Mary appear in front of him,
So we don't really question anything. We go back inside.
We're not going to argue with the Manda has the gun?
Was our thinking, Do not argue with Amanda has the gun?
So we go back inside. We get in there, and
I mean not even a minute later, officers are swarming
the building.
Speaker 4: We're on lockdown. We're on lockdown. We're on lockdown, like
what in the world, And then the power goes out.
We're like, what is going on? Like okay, what's going on?
We could not figure out for days what was going on.
Speaker 1: And then finally that same officer, the one that told
us about the cow mutilations. He came back and he
was working night shift and we were like, man Barnes,
that was his name, Officer Barnes. We were like, Barnes,
what is going on? He goes, well, well, he goes,
dude was doing the peach truck rounds. He goes and
he claims that this giant creature jumped over the fence
and landed in front of his truck. I was like, huh,
imagine that really. I was like, well, how would you
describe the creature? And he was like he described it
as a werewolf? And now I was like, okay, about eleven
feet tall. And he goes, yeah, how'd you know? I
was like, we saw it out there in the field
like a month and a half, two months ago, and
told him what happened. The reason that the power went
out is the furthest perimeter fence is an electric fence,
and the way it's electrified is you've got the chain
lead fence with the razor wire on top, and then
you have strips of electric band that run like a
ladder up and down the fence all the way around. Now,
these fences, they are designed not to just stop you,
They are designed to drop you. Dad. In fact, while
I was incarcerated, there was a lawsuit that came about
with someone who tried to escape and he grabbed the fence,
not knowing that it was electric, and it stopped his
herd and it killed him. And they were trying to
determine whether it was the actual voltage that killed him,
whether it was cranked up too high, or if it
was because he had a underlying heart condition and the
electricity just set it off and dropped him. But these things,
they are designed to not only make you hesitate, they
are designed to fry you. Okay, they are serious. This
thing sliced through the wires of the electric fence, causing
the whole prison compound to short out and blow pretty
much every fuse they had. We finally got generator backup
power going, but it sliced through the electric fence, the
wires of it, and it didn't even face the Barnes
told me that he saw where the mark or the
slice was, and he goes, yeah, he goes those things,
He goes, they're serious. He goes, they are heavy duty hardware.
He goes, it's not just a wire. He goes, it
is steel rod that is actually electrified from within. He goes,
it's something that if you wanted to cut through yourself,
you know, after you turn it off, obviously you would
have to take you know, a very very specialized cutoff
wheel or saws all and go through it. He goes.
You can't just cut through something like that. He goes.
Someone you know went out there was some serious machinery
and cut through this and I was like, what int
to someone? It was something well that got the prison
going because people had kind of forgotten about that day
out on the small yard where we saw it out
in the cornfield. But after this happened with it jumping
in front of the pea truck and getting through the
fence and all sorts of stuff we started here in
the house in the prisons at night, and prisons they
are built to be strong, but they are not built
to be comfortable, so they are built cheap. They can
withstand a hurricane. And I know this because where I
was got hit by Hurricane Helena. In fact, we were
the last area in Georgia it hit before it completely
wiped Ashfield off the face of the earth, and it
hit us hard and it's still standing. They are designed
to take the worst that Mother Nature can throw at them.
But they are built very cheaply. If that you know,
that's kind of oxymoron, or that's kind of oxymoron, but
it's the truth. The walls are very thin. They are
corrugated metal, I mean thick corrugated metal, but they're corrugated
metal nonetheless, and there's no insulation, by the grace of God.
So the second prison I was that had air conditioning
and heat. Most prisons in the state of Georgia you
have no air conditioning and no heat. They are sweatboxes.
But you can hear everything that's going on outside. We
were not too far from an air force base, and
we could hear airplanes, you know, jets and helicopters all day,
all night, trains off in the distance, you know, we
could hear them like they were right next to the prison.
You hear everything, and we just camp hearing those howls
throughout the whole night. You know. In the days and
weeks following this, it just went on for probably a month,
you know, from the first time something happened to the
last time, it was probably a three month time span.
And finally people were like, okay, we want to know
what this is. The inmates were and one of the
guys in my cut he had a phone and he
was out there that day and I was like, look,
I was like, you want to know what this is.
He goes, yes, he goes, what is this? I was like,
go on your phone. I was like, go on YouTube.
So he did. I was like, pull up this dude
named dog Man Encounters and he was looking at me.
He goes dog Man Encounters. He goes, what kind of
stuff is that? And I was like, just do it.
I was like, go on there. I was like, listen
to some of his stuff and tell me that's not
what we saw. So he goes on there and he
listens to you know, I don't know how many you know,
once he listened to, but he listened to a few.
And he comes back and he goes, he ain't kidding.
He goes, that describes to a t you know what
you saw or what we saw. And then I tell him.
I was like okay, I was like, well, go on
there and look up episode two fifty and he goes why.
I was like, that's my episode and he goes, you
were on this show. I was like, I had an
encounter years ago. I was like, my jeep was attacked
by one of these things. He goes, no, he goes,
you lying. I was like, I'm not lying. I was like,
go to episode two fifteen. Tell me you don't recognize
that voice. So he went on episode two fifteen and
he listened to it, and he goes, he went kidding.
So he started telling people that, hey, that white boy,
that Ryan, he knows about this thing. So people started
coming up to me and asking all kinds of questions.
And when I say people, I'm talking about people that
normally would not even speak to me because I'm an
unaffiliated you know, I'm an affiliated I'm not a gang member.
They only speak to their own game. They don't talk
to anyone else. But they're coming up to me like, hey,
you know, let me holler at you, let me let
me get in your ear. I need to know what
this was that I saw. And I was able to
educate a lot of them on what it was. And
you know, the ones that had phones, I would be like,
you've got a phone, go to dog Man Encounters on YouTube.
So you have a whole audience in prison you don't
even know about. But I was able to educate a
lot of them about what it was, and I made
them realize that, you know, yeah, this whole kingdom, phylum, class,
or family, genus, species thing that you learn in you know,
ninth grade biology. I'm like, yeah, it's great, but it's
only the tip of the iceberg. I was like, there
are things out there beyond the realm of what you
can even imagine that exists. I was like, we're talking
about Bigfoot, We're talking about dog men, we're talking about
skin walkers, we're talking about Mothman, we're talking about the
Lockness Monster. We're talking about all these different type of
cryptids that are out there that you think they're nothing
more than folklore. I was like, you think they're nothing
more than entertainment on the History Channel. I was like,
but let me ask you this. They had to get
their start somewhere. All these people. They didn't just sit
around a table one day in a production studio and say,
you know what, we're going to make a show about
trying to find Bigfoot, or we're going to make a
show about a ranch out in Utah that has skin
walker problem. Yeah, people will definitely watch that. Well, they
had to get that from somewhere, and production companies they're
not going to waste the time and effort to try
to build a show around something that doesn't have plausible results.
They're not going to spend all the production budget to
do that because no one would watch it. You don't
watch a show that doesn't have a tangibility of reality,
you know. That's that's what makes those shows so interesting,
is the reality of it. People are seeing this evidence
be presented before them on television and they're like, oh wow,
this stuff actually could be real. It came from somewhere.
All this folklore, all of these wives tales, they had
to have an origin point. People from all these different
areas of the world. Didn't just one day decide that, hey,
we want to make up this story. No, they had
to start from somewhere. And I got a lot of
them to realize that, and a lot of these you know,
not to be disrespectful to them, but they're very closed
minded individuals. They only think think about one thing, one
thing only, and that is surviving prison. Because a lot
of them they were never going to leave. That was
their home, so they only had to focus on survival.
But the fact that I was able to actually get
through to them and show them the hey, there is
all this stuff out there. Sorry, you're never gonna see it,
but hey, it's out there, and it blew their minds.
I mean it was It was really cool to actually
be able to educate them. And they're like, so, you're
not freaking out over this thing and I was like
not really. They're like, well, what if it tries to
get in and I was like, I don't think it's
going to. I was like, by the time this thing
tries to get in, you're going to have a PEA
officer or in a Pea truck coming out with a
shotgun trying to blast at it. I was like, now,
it ain't gonna kill it. It's gonna, you know, tick
it off. I was like, but it'll probably drive it away.
I was like, yeah, it's not going to break in.
It's not gonna be able to get into us. We're
like a Walmart grocery store forard, probably. But he was like,
you know, a lot of them they were just mind
blown that these things existed and they would have never
believed it unless they were out there that day and
saw it. But that is my in prison doctor encounter story.
Speaker 2: That's why I couldn't experience. Did the prison ever change
policies now that they knew that the DOLG main was
out there?
Speaker 1: Not that I am aware of they. I mean they
didn't really have a lot of policies to begin with.
Georgia prisons are kind of free for all. You could
do really pretty much anything you want, so there's really
no policy, there's no structure, and I don't think they
implemented anything more because one day the officer comes in Barnes.
He just comes in and says, yeah, that problem with
this werewolf thing. He goes, it's taken care of, and
we what do you mean is taken care of? He goes, oh, no,
it is taken care of. And we were like, well,
can we get like some specifics on this, like okay,
that's a very broad net taking care of that can
acompass a bunch of stuff. But you know, after that,
we never heard it or saw it ever again. There
was never any problems.
Speaker 2: Really makes me wonder what was behind that, if the
government might have come in and done something to rid
the area of it, or what happened.
Speaker 1: But well, what's even more interesting is I tried to
look up cattle mutilations for Jenkins County in that timeframe,
and I could find nothing. There was no information at
all about any missing goats or cattle mutilizations or anything,
which in a farming town, that's a big deal. If
cows are getting mutilated, people want to know about that.
But I could find nothing about it, as I could
have been swept on the rug and wiped away.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they did keep that hush hush. Yeah,
of course, that's not the kind of thing that they
want to get out and have people talking about. But
when things like that start happening, especially in a small
town like that, people do. Yeah, that's inevitable. Did the
prisoners change their behaviors after the word got out about
that eleven foot are being around?
Speaker 1: Not really. You know, you have to think that you
have to put on a certain persona in prison, which
I never did. I was the same person in prison
as I am outside of prison, because I'm like, I
have no reason to change. If you don't like me,
you don't like me. I can't help that. But so
many people they put on this tough guy act because
they think that if they do that, no one's going
to mess with them. So even if they were worried
about it, or even if they were scared, they would
never let you know because if they in their minds,
if they show that, oh you're scared of something that's
beyond the fence out in the field, oh you're a wuss,
you're you know, you're whatever, and they feel like that
would make them look vulnerable to rival game members or whoever.
And that's the last thing that people like that want.
Speaker 2: In prison, Prisoners do some dumb things. I can understand
them doing that to try and protect how people see
them and view them. But yeah, when it comes to that,
it would show common sense to be very weary of
being outside. I mean, it already showed that it jumped
over that fence right in front of the p truck.
It could always come over the other fence or come
through the other fences and just get into the yard.
Speaker 1: Yep. But again you have to consider the source you've got,
you know. I used to say that, well, if you
had common sense, you wouldn't be in prison. Then I
realized how easy it is to get in prison. But
you know, a lot of people, they're not there for
being intelligent, you know, as hard as that is, for
me to say, because I've met a lot of good,
stupid people in prison, but they aren't there for thinking rashally,
so they were thinking more about their machoism than anything else.
But I guarantee you if they were out there and
one of those things starting jumping out of the fence,
they would be the first people running inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably would be. I wouldn't be surprised, having
as much experience with these guys as you have, Randon.
It's not a ton of experience, but you saw how
big that one was when you had your first encounter,
and then you're laying eyes on an eleven plus foot
did you start doing equations about how easily that dogged me?
I could actually break into the prison if it wanted to.
Speaker 1: So the prison's the prison building itself, I'm not sure
how easily it would be able to get into, just
because of the way it's built. But over the fence
into the perimeter, oh absolutely. The fence itself was probably
twelve thirteen feet high, maybe a little bit less, but
about twelve thirteen feet high, And I mean, I know
without a doubt that eleven footer would have a vertical
jump of probably twenty feet maybe. I mean, it would
have been able to leap over that, you know, like
an Olympic gold medalist. It would have no problem. But
it also makes me wonder because that's I mean, it's huge.
That's not only the second one I've ever seen, but
it's the biggest one I've ever seen. It makes me
wonder if the one that I saw on the trail
that night, if it was a younger, if you know,
not a full grown, if it was like a child
or something, because this one was way shorter of the
other one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been Hythe is a pretty good
indicator of the age and everything, so he might be
onto something there. You just might. Why do you think
that dog me in hung around that prison for such
a long time? Three months, that's a long period of time.
Speaker 1: I think what it was is because the dude that
owns the property that the prison is on had all
that farmland, and he had woodland. There was creeks, there
was all kinds of stuff. But there were the farm animals,
the livestock. He had goats, he had chickens, he had cows,
he had pigs, he had everything. I think what it
was is the dog man knew that there was a
very very easily accessible source of food right there for him.
Speaker 2: I see all the livestock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the livestock. If I had to guess, that
would be my guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, listening to you describe how that area was,
it sounds like it could find livestock like that pretty
much anew where it went. So in my opinion, it's
still strange that it hung around in such close proximity
to that prison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's something that I have thought about myself,
and it's something that I you know, we may never know.
The one thing that I've learned from listening to your
podcast over the years and all that is the behavior
of lawn dog man might be completely different from the
behavior of another one. We'll never understand why they do
what they do. So it could have had a very
good reason for one to stick around, or it could
have just been that's where he decided that he wanted
to make his turf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. It's hard enough to think for people.
I've said that plenty of times. There's no way to
think for these guys, because, yeah, with a lot of things,
it seems like there's no rhyme nor reason. Definitely does
I know, with your first encounter you took that in stride.
It seemed like you took it in stride with this
second encounter already being under all that stress, all that dress.
Was the second one still easier to deal with than
the first.
Speaker 1: It really was. And the reason what may or may
not surprise y'all, there is not a lot to do
in prison. You either read, play cards, play dominoes, sleep,
or watch TV. That's all there is to do. Or
if the reckyard's open, you go out there. But you
can only do that so many times before it gets
redundant and it gets really boring. So it was almost
like a breath of fresh air to have something different happening,
you know, despite the fact that it was a doc
Man encounter, multiple doc Man encounters, it was nice to
have something different going on to break up the monopony,
because it broke up the monopony for two and a
half three months, you know, it was it was like
a circus, but it was I took it in stride
because I mean, you we never know what these things
intend are. But the one time that I did see it,
it did not come across in a menacing way. Now
that doesn't really mean anything with these creatures. But it
never once looked over to where we were, so I
don't know if it was just perusing the field looking
for something to do, or if it was just letting
want of us to know that, hey, I'm here. You know,
I was never really concerned for our safety because of
the way the building is built. I was just concerned
for what the prison was going to do as far
as dealing with us, because we didn't want to be
on lockdown. That was my really only concern.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Wow, that's one heck of a way that get
off of lockdown. I don't want to put words in
your mouth, Ryan, but from listening to you flesh out
what I just asked you about, it almost sounds to
me like you look at that dog men being around
is being a good thing to break up the monotony.
Did I hear you right about that?
Speaker 1: Well, the the monotony was probably the only good part
of it being around. That was the only enjoyable part
of it, you know, because people they were, like I said,
they were freaking out, and the prison they didn't know
what to do. They were completely mind blown. I would
love to have been a fly on the wall in
their front offices where they were trying to figure out
what this thing was and what they need to do.
I would have loved to have been a fly on
the wall, but the not be being broken up was
definitely a blessing because it gives you something to take
your mind off of the fact that you are in prison,
something to sort of get your wheels turning. But that's
the only upside was the fact that we had a distraction.
Everything else was a downside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why. And just for clarity, you
did realize that that dog man could have broken into
the prison, into the cell house and gotten to you
if I wanted to do so, correct.
Speaker 1: I mean, that always was in the back of my mind.
I just, you know, part of me feels like in
the time it would have making forward to get in there,
you know, someone would have started shooting at it, you know,
with the pea truck. But then again, these I've heard
stories about these things taking buckshot to the chest to
point blank and not phasing it, so that that was
always in the back of my mind. But I wasn't
too concerned about it. Why. I don't know. I guess
there was just another one of those things that would
happened to us type of things. But maybe I was
just trying to get myself to believe that. I mean,
I don't know, but no, that was definitely in the
back of my mind the whole time.
Speaker 2: Well, whatever it takes to help you get by, you
should do, so can't fault you for that at all.
This might seem like a foolish, like a silly question,
but did you have any problem sleeping knowing that thing
was around?
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't sleep good in prison to begin with.
There's always noise, it's never quiet, so sleep in prison
is a very off and on thing to begin with.
There definitely were nights that I laid there and I
was trying to wrap my head around the fact that
I had actually encountered one of these things again, because
I never thought I would ever see another one. I
never thought that I would ever see another one of
these things anywhere, and then all of a sudden, here
one is. And then also it was nice. There were
nights I was laying in bed where it just sort
of like hit me that, well, that's just confirmation. Not
that I ever questioned what I saw the first time,
but that just confirms to me that it's not just
up in North Georgia. These things are everywhere. But that
definitely kept me up, you know, beyond my normal business hours,
if you want to put it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that was definitely the keys. Let's get
to some of the listeners questions now, people in the
live chat. The first one up is from baby Girl
and she wants to know what color were the eyes
of the first dog?
Speaker 1: Me and you saw the Okay, So everything was lit
up red because it was nighttime. It was at this point,
it was like three in the morning, and I had
my brake lights on and like my headlights, my brake
lights were led, so they were super bright. Everything was
washed out red. So I really couldn't tell what color
the eyes were because everything was lit up red. So
I wouldn't be able to say, you know, with confidence
what the color was because, like I said, everything was
washed out.
Speaker 2: Uh oh we lost Yeah? Are you there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no I can. Yeah, for the last half
of that sentence you cut out. Can you please re
sae that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, Like I said, the headline or the tail
lights were led aftermarket led just like the headlights were
and my brakes were on, so everything was lit up
red everything, So everything was just washed out and red.
So I really could not say with absolute confidence what
color the eyes were because the only thing that I
was seeing was how bright the red led was lighting
everything up. So I really couldn't deduce color because of
the red washout.
Speaker 2: And like I've said, eye witnesses several times before, if
you have an experience like that, the last thing you're
going to think about is the minutia of the details.
You're just thinking about getting out of there. You've never
experienced anything of the sort before, So yeah, that can't
be held against you. I definitely don't fault you for
not knowing that. I get it. I do. This next
question Ryan is from Andrea Sores, and Andrea wants to know,
I'm sorry, Sores. Andrea wants to know what do you
think the dog man wanted or why did it appear
in that setting? I mean prison. I think you already
answered that when you mentioned the live.
Speaker 1: Style erect and I mean, yeah, and it's and that's
just a theory. I mean it's really hard to say,
you know what it wanted. The previous experience up on
that trail. You know, I think in retrospect, I think
that one's pretty easy to explain. You know, urination is
marking your territory in nature, and me and my friend
who got out to urinate on the trail, it viewed
us as challenging its territory. We were marking on its territory.
But this one, I mean, I really couldn't say. I mean,
it could be any number of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess we're never going to know. All
we can do is guess about that. Huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, bad Pup wants to know. Why would the dog
man want to cut through the fence and want inside?
Speaker 1: Again, That's one of those things that, you know, it
could be any number of things. It could be it
was just trying to, you know, sharpen its claws on
something maybe, or it was trying to climb up and
it just slices through it, or you know, I don't
know what, because that happened after it jumped in front
of the pea truck and the pea truck peeled away. Now,
the dude that had the shotgun, he never fired fired
anything off. He never shot at this thing, but he
did something that made it jump back over the fence apparently,
but it was after I jumped back over the fence
when it happened. So my best theory would be maybe
and jumping back over the fence and one of its
claws grabbed hold of it on the way down and
broke it. But that would be that's just speculation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like we talked about earlier, we can't think
for these things. All we can do is guess. So yeah,
we're never going to ever know about that. PW. Here
is his next question. They want to know, Ryan, why
do you think the dog man was so vocal during
that time instead of just killing animals in silence.
Speaker 1: I think that at that point it realized that we
knew that it was out there, and truthfully, I think
it was just toying with us. Yeah, it's kind of
like an air raid siren going off by accident or
someone you know, purposely turning an air raids siren on.
Nothing is going on at that moment, but it sense
chills down your spine. It makes you think, like, man,
what if this actually was happening. I think it was
something like that where he was signaling his siren and
he just wanted to let us know that Hey, y'all,
where y'all are? This is my turf, these animals I'm killing?
It could be you, because like I said, it wasn't
until after the time where he jumped back over the
fence that we started hearing all these howls. I mean,
it was after we had no doubt or it had
no doubt that we knew it knew that it started
doing that.
Speaker 2: It made its presence known. Yep, yeah, I see. The
next one up is from Ben youtubing, and Ben wants
to know how often does he think of his encounters.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's something that comes up every now
and then. It's not something that's on my mind all
the time. But you know, if I ever talked to
my friend Colin or ever talked to Walker, you know,
we'll make a joke like hey, how about that dog man?
But you know, it's not something that I think about
all the time. But it does pop into my head
more frequently, especially the second time around, than it used
to before. Or because you know, I used to live
up in northern Georgia. After I got out of prison,
I relocated out of the county that I have my
conviction from because I doesn't want to be up there anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you cut out again. Are you there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my here, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: I can now. You cut out right after you said
you didn't want to be up in Northern Georgia.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Yeah, I used to live in Northern Georgia
and the county that I got my conviction in. I
just didn't want to be up there anymore because of
the way they treated me. So I actually live in
the city of Atlanta. Now I am downtown, I am
inside perimeter, and you know, I'm more conscious of the
fact that you know, they I mean, there could be
these things in the woods around the house that I have.
There could be things in you know, the park, you know,
the botanical gardens of downtown Atlanta. There could be these
things everywhere. I'm a lot more conscientious of that now
that I've seen them in two totally different areas of
the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll tend to happen once you have encounters in
two different places like that, So that's understandable. The next
one up is from baby Girl, and she wants to
know did those howls sound really deep?
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like a crescendo almost. It
was started off with like a growl and then it
would go into a deeper kind of howl, but it
was a little bit more high pitched. But the growl itself,
I mean it was it was pretty deep. You know,
it depends on what you're comparing it to all so,
but you know, if I had to describe it, it
would be a deeper growl that cascades into like a
higher pitched sort of a year or how or whatever.
But it definitely had a demonic sound to it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good way to describe it. And the
next question for you is from Britain Stone and Brent
wants to know did the prison officers change their behavior
or say anything about the encounters.
Speaker 1: So the officers that worked the prison, they did not
change behaviors, at least on the surface. But then again
that was protocol. They did not want us to know
when anything was going on because they viewed us knowing,
you know, they viewed that as a safety concern because
if we knew something was going on in another prison,
they didn't want the same thing happening at the prison that.
Speaker 2: I was at.
Speaker 1: The only officer we could ever actually get to talk
to us about it. I forgot his name again, I'm
terrible things was the one that I mentioned earlier. He
was the only one that would even give us any
kind of semblance of information about what was going on
with whatever it was that was happening around but on
the surface, you know, change a protocol with something that
we visibly never saw.
Speaker 2: It's really surprising that that guard would tell you anything
at all, because I'm sure they were told they were
instructed to keep everybody in the dark.
Speaker 1: In for Yeah, he was not supposed to, but they
I mean, even the guards don't follow rules a lot
of times.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, a lot of the time the guards
are the ones bringing the contry being into the prison exactly. Yep, Yeah,
that's how it works normally, or I should say sometimes.
This next one up is from DJ Chris Mac and
DJ wants to know, or Chris, I should say, wants
to know. Ryan. Thanks for sharing your experience. Again, did
the dogman look older than the one in your first encounter?
Since it was much bigger.
Speaker 1: As far as like visible age, you know, it was
far enough away that it was really hard to tell
based off of the height, though I would assume that
it was older than the first one. But as far
as like fine details, I didn't get to see it
as up close as I did with the other one
in my rear window. But you know, just based off
of the height, I would say that it was probably
older by you know, whatever degree than the first one.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes with that saying I'm so glad it
wasn't closer than it was. Yes, that wouldn't have been
a good thing. The next one up is from Bang
Bang and she wants to know, Ryan, do you think
it was randomly verre or just hunting humans.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was randomly there. I don't
think it was hunting humans because around the prison, if
you go on Google Maps and look up Jinkins Correctional
Facility in Millen, Georgia, you'll see on the map farm Road.
That's the name of the dude that owns the farm
and all the land is His last name's Can't. But
beyond the tree lines you could see a whole bunch
of trailer parks, and we never heard of anyone in
the trailer parks having any kind of issues. It was
only the livestock. Now that doesn't mean that it wasn't,
you know, bloodthirsty for humans. You know, it very well
could have been, but I feel like if that was
the case, it probably would have gone into the trailer
parks around and reached some kind of have it. And
that is something that we definitely would have heard about.
I mean, without a shadow of down we would have
heard about that.
Speaker 2: You're right, you definitely would have if the authorities could
really keep it under wraps us one thing. But when
it's happening out in the open like that, yeah, there's
no way to squash everyone keep everyone from talking about it.
You're right. The next one up is from Andreas Soarez,
and Andrea wants to know do you believe prisons or
hot spots repair normal activity due to the intense energy there?
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. In the state of Georgia, you
have to go through what they call diagnostics before you
go to your permanent camp. And dinostics is at it's
called Georgia Diagnostics and Classification State Prison now, but it's
Jackson State Penitentiary. It's actually where they have death row.
But it is the oldest prison in the state of Georgia.
It was built in the nineteen fifties and there have
been so many deaths and so many murders and so
many executions there. In fact, one night, I'm laying in
my cell and the door to my cell you could
see out into the main hallway for the prison, the
corridor where all the dorms were, and I'm laying there,
and my bunk made He goes, Bunkie, He goes, what
in the world is that? He goes, There ain't no
women in this prison. How It's like, well, there's women guards.
He goes, No, he goes, look, and we saw a
lady in white walking up the corridor to the prison,
and she walked by the main door that our the
main sally port, the door that came into our dorm.
She walked by it, but as she was walking by it,
she was like fading away, like she was getting the lighter.
But yeah, they're absolutely a hotspot for paranormal activity. I mean,
if we were talking about ghosts and stuff, not cryptids.
I saw and encountered so many paranormal things when I
was in prison. It's not even funny.
Speaker 2: Well, it's bad enough having an experience like that, but
when you're locked up in a cell and can't get away,
that makes it even worse. Yeah, it really does. No
more funly one wants to know, has got a question
that's related to that. After the dog Man showed up
around the prison, did then the inmates share pureanormal stories
with you that you could cheer.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. That was something that before the
dog Man happened. We like to talk about a very
popular TV show, or two popular very popular TV shows
in prison is Ancient Aliens and Zach Began's show Ghosts Adventures.
Those are two really popular shows in prison, and you
know a lot of times you would sit there and
watch them on the nights they were premiered. I can't
remember what nights it was they premiered, but we would
sit there and watch them and then we would you know,
share paranormal stories. And you know, you had people that
had stories, you know, like what the people like my
old job had where oh, well the door you stop
to my bedroom, or we would hear whispers of the night.
But I mean there were other stories about people that
you know, watch deceased relatives, you know, walk through their
front door, you know, years after they had passed away,
had been you know, exploring abandoned buildings or something, and
came around the corner and there's an apparition standing there.
People have all kinds of different paranormal experiences, both inside
prison and outside of prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we only knew, I could only imagine the extent.
This next one up is from Big Bird and they
want to know what makes you definitely say it was
a dog man and not something else.
Speaker 1: I cannot think of anything else that would fit the
exact same description as the last one that I saw.
I mean, it is to a t the description of
a dog man and the height the coat. We could
not see the lower half of it because it was
in the field and there was the crop, but you
know from the upper chest that I saw, it had
a very bulky chest, like Hulk Hogan bodybuilder chest. I
didn't see any hair. I mean, I'm sure there was
hair on the chest, very faint, but it looked like
a human chest. We could not see the bottom of
the hands because the arms were so long. But the
definitive defining factory was the snout and the ears. The
ears they were pointed like they were military daggers, and
the snout was like a doberman's. I'm not I said
this last time, but I'm terrible with identifying dogs. I
think it's the Doberman's that have the really long, thin snout.
But it was like that, but just bulked up. I mean,
I know without a doubt that it was a dog man.
That's the only thing it could have been.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree, Yeah, that's a textbook description for one.
This next one up is from deed Truth. Hey, d
His question is I've worked in a prison, and I
doubt I didn't Eve think could get through a cell cage.
What do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, it would take a lot to get through
a cell cage. In Georgia, we don't actually have cages.
It is a cinder block. And then you have a
solid still door that has a window. The window does
have a cage on the outside of it, but it
is actually a solid still door that's got an electric
lock that opens and closes. Now you can modify the locks,
you can break the locks, and you can open the door,
open and close the door yourself. But I mean, I
don't say that it would be impossible for something to
get in, but it would take whatever it was, very
very long to get in. It would not be a
in and out type of thing. It would have to
work at it.
Speaker 2: Don't be so sure about that when you think about
some of the feats I've heard these guys do, especially
an eleven footer. I mean, they've accomplished some ridiculous feats.
You've seen those, Oh, sure, you've seen those huge fifth
wheel trailers, the ones that are forty some are even
fifty to fifty three feet long. I've heard about big
dogmen like that, pushing on the side and pushing it
up onto two wheels and ripping stuff out. I mean
just ripping down trees, big trees, well not huge ones,
but ones that are way too big to be able
to pull down, you would think at least. But yeah,
I've heard about them doing ridiculous feets, so I wouldn't
be so.
Speaker 1: Sure it was a valid point. That is a valid point,
so it might have an easier time than we think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, I think it would. The next one up
is from baby Girl, and she wants to know have
you ever listened to the werewolf how in the movie
an American Werewolf in London.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, I have never actually seen any
of those movies. I used to work so much that
I haven't really had time to watch movies. But I've
never actually seen that movie. But I would have to
look it up on YouTube and compare it.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm listening to you say that if
you normally don't listen to those movies, does that mean
you have never seen the movie Bad Moon? I have not. No, Actually,
oh man, there's a lot of ways to be done here,
a lot of work to be done. You've got to
be kidding me.
Speaker 1: You sound like a disappointed father right now.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, son, you haven't seen the best werewolf
movie out there.
Speaker 1: No. I don't watch a lot of movies, and it's
just been that way my whole life. I've never had
the patience to sit down and watch one unless it's
been something like James bond Or Andianna Jones. So maybe
I'm just weird.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. I mean that's just not your forte.
You've experienced the real thing. Well, not we're wolves, but
dog men close enough.
Speaker 1: But I'm always open to movie suggestions. I'm always open.
Speaker 2: Well, it's always good to keep your mind open. But no,
I don't fault you for that, No big at all.
Andres Carizalez is next question. He wants to know when
you're giving out info, did the others gather around like
a class and did guards ask you for information too?
Speaker 1: So the guards they were not actually in the dorm.
The way the building is set up is you have
four dorms, three to four dorms, but they've got like
a glass wall that looks over into a main hub
and the officers they actually sit at a desk out there,
so they're not in the dorm. So if they want
to come on the dorm, they have to pop the
door and walk in. But yeah, there were there were
a couple of times where you know, they would be like, well, man,
you know, come sit down with us and you tell
us about this thing. But it was never a huge group.
I think the most people at one time was four
people that I was sitting down with drinking coffee and
you know, telling them about you know, my experience and
you know what it was, and sort of what I've
learned about how they act or I mean, you really
never can learn how they act because they're so you know,
you can never predict what they're going to do, so
there really is no rhyme or reason to learning how
they act. But you know, just explain to them the
best I could in terms that they could understand. You
know what it was, but it was never like a
classes in session type of thing. But there were definitely,
you know times where I talked to multiple people at
once about it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you were the go to guy and for
a good reason, so I'm sure they did. This. Next
one up is from Bang Bang and she wants to know, Ryan,
do you think antler rubbings on trees could really be
from dog Man Claws.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely a possibility that they possibly could be.
You know, I feel like that if they were from
dog Man clause, I feel like they would be a
lot more defined than a lot of antler rubbings because
a lot of antler rubbings that I've seen, you know,
there's shallow, but you know, like the bark is gone
and you've got some actual you know, meat from a
tree gone. But they're they're sort of rounded off and
they're shallow and you know all that. I feel like
if it was dog Man claws, it would be just
a straight gash or a chunk out of the tree.
But I mean there's always a possibility. I mean I
would definitely knocked doubt it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how normally is pretty deep gouges not just
in a tree like a beach either. I mean trees
with pretty formidable bark, shag bark, hickory, yeah, even oak.
You've noticed some pretty deep gouges which will make you
real when you see them. This next one up is
from baby Girl and she wants to know do you
still go out into the woods.
Speaker 1: Yes? I do. Actually, in fact, I'm supposed to be
going hiking with my brother tomorrow. But yes, I still
do go out in the woods.
Speaker 2: Oh good, that's really good. You said that you do
go out, and you're supposed to go out tomorrow, But
are you compromised at all? When you do?
Speaker 1: I am much more aware. I don't want to say
that it makes me nervous or it makes me scared.
It just makes me more aware of things that are around,
and I am always looking for any indication that something
other than a normal animal might be present. But so far,
and then again, I've only been out for a month.
I got out of present literally last month. So far
I have not seen anything. But this will be my
first outing into the woods tomorrow, so who knows. Maybe
I'll end up back on your show in a week
or so. Well, I hope you don't hopefully not.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that makes two of us hoping you don't.
But if you do have another encounter, then yeah, I'll
be here. Just let me know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, let's hope it come to that. But
if it does, I know where to come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely hope it doesn't. And I saw a
comment from Cody asking if I missed his question. Yeah,
I sure did, Cody. If you could post it again,
I'll put it right up to the top and ask
it next after this next question here, This one is
from DJ Chris Mack from Chris and Chris wants to know.
I take it your friends haven't had any more encounters
since Ryan. You're lucky to have friends who saw the
same thing that can support you. I guess it's more
of a comment than a question. And he's got a
good point.
Speaker 1: Ye, but yeah, no, they have to my knowledge, and
they would have told me. I'm sure, no, they have
not had any encounters. Colin the one that was from
West Virginia, he actually lives down in Sarasota, Florida now.
And then Walker the one that was from Los Angeles,
he actually hasn't moved back to Los Angeles. But they
have to my knowledge. They have not had any other encounters.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they haven't. And like you said, if they had,
I'm sure they would have let you know. So it's
pretty safe to say they haven't. That's not exactly a leap.
It looks like Caitlin McLeod wants to know. I used
to live in Atlanta. So do you think these things
could be even in the suburbs of downtown Atlanta. Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I'm in the cab. I'm in Decatur, and
I would not be surprised if there was ones in
the woods around here. I mean, I've seen firsthand that
they can be anywhere. I mean, they're not given both
of the places I saw then were sort of out
of the way. Place is one way up in the mountains,
the other one in a little farming town. But I mean,
I've heard stories about these play You know, these people,
these things in you know, downtown, small downtown areas. They're
not scared of people, they're not scared of cars, they're
not scared of anything. They know that they are the
apex predator. Wherever they are. It would not surprise me
if one walked through downtown Atlanta right now. You're right,
I mean they show they have no fear, They have
nothing to fear.
Speaker 2: You're right, you make some really good points. People talk
about putting up lights and things like that try to
deter them, but these things have been seen standing under
security lights at night for apparently no particular reason. The
lights aren't going to drive them off, and in a
lot of cases it was seen the game cams don't
drive them off effectively. So yeah, they go where they
want to go and they do what they want to do,
and that's about all there is to it. Unfortunately. This
next question up is from Caitlin McLeod. Again, she wants
to know do you think these things could be were
wolves because it seems as if to me that dog
men would need woods and coverage where wolves wouldn't need that.
Speaker 1: No, because if you go back into were wolf lore,
were wolves are only supposed to be out on nights
with full moons. And this thing I saw in the
middle of the day, and now, could that be where
the well wolf where wolf lore came from. That's possible,
But as far as were wolves in the traditional speak
about someone transforming into a were wolf, I don't think
that they could be were wolves. I would say that
they are dog men and that were wolf is a
separate crypti. But again, that's something that we may never
know because we can never really get one of these
specimens to study easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not easy to get one to lay on
a table for examination.
Speaker 1: No, you're right about that.
Speaker 2: And we don't even know that where wolves exist. I mean,
that's really a stretch to say that they do. But
it's possible. I mean, anything in this crazy world we
live in is possible. So I'm not going to rule
it out and say, nah, they definitely aren't out there,
because I'd be foolish to do that, But i will
tell you that, gosh, it's really hard to believe that
they are out there, that they do exist. Again, I'm
going to qualify it again because I have done us
tons of people saying VIC says that were wolves can't exist.
Like I said, I'm never going to say that they
can't be out there. I'm just saying it's hard to
believe that they are. And here's the question from Cody
that I missed. Cody laughing wolf. He wants to know
you said, yours was the Skyrim type. Did your encounter, Oh,
did you encounter more than one male or female. I
have Sasha, but she's tall and skinny.
Speaker 1: So I've encountered two on two separate occasions. But each
encountering I was just one single dog man and what
multiple ones? As far as male or female, I don't
have a clue. I really don't. It could have been
all the above.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't check it.
Speaker 1: No, I did not check it. Didn't want I didn't
stick around long enough.
Speaker 2: To You can't say I'll blame you there. The next
one up is from Jim cops or cops, I'm sorry,
And her question is is this prison near a quarry?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I'm actually not sure. I know
that it's not far from a paper mill, because in
the mornings you could smell the sulfur from the paper mill,
But as far as it being near a quarry, I
don't know if it's near a cory or not. I'd
have to look that up at some point, but I'm
not sure.
Speaker 2: I wonder why they wanted to know that.
Speaker 1: Maybe possibly caves that that lives in in the quarry
or something. Maybe I don't know. That's that's what I
would guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be well, I can tell you this
if you have a quarry around that definitely does increase
the odds of having a sasquatch in the area.
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, that's.
Speaker 2: Probably what they're getting at there, wondering if that'll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'd have to I'd have to
look up what's in the area. I don't think there's
a quarry down there. I know that there is Plant
Vogel nuclear facility not far from there, but that's that's
the only big industry that I know of, other than
the paper mill.
Speaker 2: Huh, Well, you might have some around. It's hard to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This next one up is I guess a question for
me DJ Chris Mack wants to know a question for
Vic if that's so related to what Ryan said, which breed,
slash type of dog men In other words, Doberman, Alsatian,
hyena or other is the most common sighting. Well, I
normally you don't answer questions for me because I want
the focus to be on the guest, But since we're
winding down, I will answer this one. Chris, Wow, it
just runs the gammut. There is no real pattern. I mean,
I've had tons of encounters coming in describing all sorts
of variants of K and I types and variants of
type threes. As far as the most common type, the
one that Cody's describing tonight, in both of his encounters,
that's normally the most commonly reported one. And as far
as the color goes that vanta black is the most
common color. Eye color seems like amber is the most
common for that. So I hope that answered your question there.
And then the next question for you, Ryan is from
Big Bird and they want to know so I know
I can find Bigfoot in the city. Has he gone
looking for dog Man where he is now?
Speaker 1: No? I have not gone looking for dog Man, and
I don't intend to go looking for him either. If
I ever have another encounter, it's not going to be
because I was trying to find him. It's because I
just happened to stumble across them. But I mean, like
I said, I would not be surprised if there were
ones that were, you know, in Atlanta somewhere. Maybe not
in downtown because there's not really anywhere for it to hide,
but in the suburbs immediately outside of downtown, like Buckhead, Duluth, Milton,
you know, places like that where there's a lot of
wooded area. It wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: It would really surprise you if you knew these guys.
They come into major metropolitan areas. Yeah, normally you're not
going to find them downtown, of course, for obvious reasons.
But they have been reported by very credible eyewitnesses being
well within the city limits of me. Your metropolitan areas Dalla's, Cincinnati, Boston.
The list just goes on and on and on, so
they go where they want to do.
Speaker 1: This one was forty five minutes south of Augusta. That's
the second biggest city in Georgia.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a big one. That's not a cowtown.
This next one up is from Stuart Vandermere Mirwa and
Stuart's question is, hey, Ryan, if you're going into the woods.
I think he means, if you're going into the woods,
be sure to be vigilant and aware of your surroundings.
This will help you when you're in the woods.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I am. I mean I've always been
my whole life. I've always been aware and a vigilant.
That's one thing that's been instilled in me. But ever since,
you know, my first encounter, especially ban Ala, I had
the second one, you know, Like I said, this is
my first venture into the woods in like four years,
so I'm definitely gonna have, you know, my eyes peeled
for anything that seems a miss. You know, sounds smells,
especially because I've never actually smelled one, but I've heard
them described as being horrific smelling, So anything like that
that could signal something as a miss. And you know,
I'll definitely be very vigilant as to what's around me.
Speaker 2: And that's just common sense. Though You're an intelligent guy,
so you already know that. But then again, these guys,
they do get a really bad rap. I'm never going
to say there aren't dangerous ones out there, and I
mean a dogmany might have gotten up on the wrong
side of the log that morning, it might be dangerous.
But yeah, these guys, they definitely are not wired to
kill you as soon as the opportunity presents itself. If
that was the case, I wouldn't have spoken with thousands
upon thousands of dogmen and eyewitnesses who are caught dead
to rights but allowed to leave without a scratch. If
they were wired to be dangerous and actually harm you
as soon as the opportunity presents itself, you wouldn't have
nearly as many repeating cases of that being proven not
to be the keys. So yeah, I mean that's a
given there that's been proven time and time again. This
last question is going to be the last one of
the night, and it's from Lisa Dugan. Lisa wants to
know people say that Bigfoot has the ability to cloak themselves.
Do you think the dogmen can cloak?
Speaker 1: I mean possibly, I know that skin walkers they can
take on all kinds of forms, But whether or not
dogmen have the ability for something like that, you know,
it's you know, we really don't know. We know the
basics of them, but as far as the nitty gritty details,
you know, that's something we may never know. Is it
possible entirely? But is it likely? You know, I really
couldn't say.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Lisa. I have spoken with tons
of credible eyewitnesses, very credible eyewitnesses who have reported seeing that.
So it seems like there is some there there that
they can cloak, or at least some of them can.
However that works, So I hope that answers your question. But,
like Ryan said, unless we have them on a table
and have full access to them for a long period
of time. There's no way to find out what the
extent of their abilities are. All we can do is
guess on that. So that's all there is to that. Well,
before we get out of if you're Ryan, do you
have any clothes in comments you'd like to put out
there for us?
Speaker 1: No, just for those that got in the woods like
people are, Like y'all told me, be vigilant. These things
are out there and they do mean harm in a
lot of instances. You know, I wouldn't want anyone that's
listening to be out in the woods and miss one
of the signs and you know, end up on the
wrong side of one. And also, like I said before,
protect y'all's identities and do not end up in prison
like I did. But other than that, you know, it's
it's been an absolute blast being back on the show.
It's been great.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been great having you back on full disclosure here.
I hope you never do have to come back on
because that would mean you never have another encounter with
one of these things. But that's right, Like we've established before, though,
if you do have another encounter, and we'll like to
come back on to tell us about it. Then by
all means I'll be here. Please let me.
Speaker 1: Know I definitely will.
Speaker 2: Good Man, I appreciate it. Well, I haven't set all
that Ryan. Like I said, I really appreciate you coming
back on to fill us in on what's been going on.
And yeah, thanks so much for your time and have
a great night. Well that's it for another live stream.
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