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Speaker 1: Welcome to the truth Seca podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. I

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am your host truth Siga and we're about to get

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it in. It's about to go down. It's going down.

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We're going to discuss all things spiritual. We're going to

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talk about the dark side. We're going to talk about demons, demonology, aliens, uphology.

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Is there a connection? I know most of my Christian

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friends believe so. Most of my Christian friends will tell

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you that the lights in the sky are in fact,

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hands down across the board demons that want to kidnap

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you and put implants in you and abduct you and

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take you away. And I was scared of that my

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entire life because they were monsters that were probably real, right,

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you can see them. There's reports there was a movie

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called Fire in the Sky that was about a true

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story or these demon beings stole Travis Walton and took

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them into the stars and did all kind of testing

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implants on them, and they found them naked laying onside

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the road. You know, all these weird stories, and that

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scared the heck out of me as a kid, and

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as I grew up and getting into ufology or doing

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a little bit of studying. I definitely was led down

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that road of the demonic dark side, and there is

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definitely that polarity there. You know. I eventually got into

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talking about the angelic and is there an angelic connection

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with ufology and lights in the sky. And I've kind

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of taken that route last probably fifteen years or so

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now in that studying, in my music and stuff like that.

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But listen, we got to be open minded to explore

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both sides. There's polarity and duality within everything and it's

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beautiful and we're going to discuss that today with today's guests.

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dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, Without further ado, I'm gonna

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go ahead and bring in today's guest. My guest today

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is Nathaniel gill Us, the Demonologist. Brother. Welcome to the

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True Sacer podcast. My friend, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Good, sir? Thank you. It's good to be with you

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and your viewers. Excited to be.

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Speaker 1: Here for sure. Man, for sure, you cover a lot

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of amazing topics and uh, you, like me and many

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other seekers, leave no stone unturned. I like the fact

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that you cover it all and you've written books on

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these subjects and got a lot of stories doing the groundwork,

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just not theories, right, You're putting boots on the ground

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with a lot of this stuff, so it turns practical.

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It's notes and stuff that you can apply and it

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can it can help your life, for sure. So man,

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kudos to you and what you're doing with that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, so thank you. Brother. It's it's been a

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journey from one revelation to another. But you know, my

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journey has been a little lonely and unique in terms

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of what I've been I mean, everybody's just unique, but

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you know, I grew out of a lot of dogma

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and I had to grow into some new thought processes

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and understandings. But I think, like I said, it's a

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journey and we're all on it, and I'm glad that

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we're together.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so what do you mean by dogma? Obviously

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coming from religious trauma? Right, there's that aspect, and most

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of us believe one thing and then we find out

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that it's another. But then you mentioned more revelation, and

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then you find out that it's another, and then it's another,

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and so we never get too comfortable with our revelation

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and stuff. So what do you mean by religious trauma

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and your experience?

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Speaker 2: So when I was growing up, I grew up in

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a hunted house, and I was experiencing different manifestations, different phenomena.

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I was also attending a local church that was Pentecostal,

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the best, the best, dude's people ship man. And you know,

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for people that don't understand it, they think that a

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lot of these and I'm not going to mention these

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other preachers that are on you know, TV and everything,

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and you know that's not true. Pentecostalism and Pentecostalism. I

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mean these guys, they're bad dudes. They'd go out fast

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for a month, come back, you know, lose thirty pounds,

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and then have reviables where cataracts would slide off people's eyes. Yeah.

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that that kind of power. But you know, I grew

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up in that, that tradition, and uh, you know, we

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did have what we would consider exorcists come through and

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preach seriously, seriously gifted individuals. Ohio hi okay. Yeah, and

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then I was a part of the UPCI for a

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long time. I grew up in it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: So we had some bad dudes. We had one guy

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named Jonathan Tuber who he's one of mine. Here was

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woll Time. Mean, he's he's a white dude that grew

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up in Africa and Haiti. He was a missionary's kid,

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and so you learned all of a spiritual warfare from

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the locals there. And then so he moved back to

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the States and he didn't recognize the church. It didn't

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make any sense to him. He was really good that

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it was fascinating. Yeah, So I grew up in that tradition,

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that culture, and so it was difficult for me because

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when I was experiencing in that house did not fit

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in the blueprint of demonology they believed in. You know,

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so you're dealing with shadow figures or it's a shadow figure.

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Speaker 1: A demon man. Yes, we do know the Bible. That's

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what they tell you though, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they try to you know, fit everything into it.

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something that we haven't or that we don't believe in.

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that point, We're just not going to include it. You

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were going to say you're lying, We're going to gas

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by you, all that stuff, and so it left me

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in a very vulnerable state. So I had to go

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through it. You know, I had to wake up at

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nighttime with an enterity in my room, feeling feeling it

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almost like breathing in the room. It smelled like death,

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it was running, it smelled like a dead body. So

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tradition in terms of like what they believed about this film.

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to understand it. Because number one, I didn't want to

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feel like I'm a crazy I don't want to feel

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like I'm the only one experiencing this. So the order

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I got, the more I realized, Hey, there's a group

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of people all over across the world who are not

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only experiencing it, but they had groups that will welcome

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you and your experiences into which which is really really cool?

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Speaker 1: And which is what comes first? Right? Everyone thinks they're crazy.

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Oh wow, I'm the only one who wakes up and

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there's a man standing at my bed every night, and

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you think you're the only one, right, and you you're crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like the phenomenon itself wants you to feel

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like that, you know, and shuts you off from other

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you know, other groups of people that would love you

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for what you've experienced and not you know, kind of

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disinfringed as you Yeah, but that was my that was

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my encounter, if not a confrontation, with this phenomenon. And

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from that moment on I started to evolve into this

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own journey, the owne pilgrimage into what I did is

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I experienced what it is we're dealing with, Why they

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why I believe you know that these aliens are actually

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not aliens at all, and you know it's all compounded

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into this one fur ball of different concepts. But that's

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really where I started with my journey.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's I mean, let's start there with the

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with the experience of the thing in your room. Like

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you know, if you know, the easy grid is say yes,

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it's a demon, you can rebuke it in Jesus, name

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it and it leaves. And but what what what ended

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up happening with that? With there a conversation? Was it

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calling your name? Did it follow you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So it started out the very first time we

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actually visited the house, my parents went on an open

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house tour. They took me in. My dad took me

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by the hand. I was only like eight years old.

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He said, take a look around in this room. This

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is where you're going to be living if and when

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we do purchase the home. So I'm looking around and everything,

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trying to figure out where I'm going to put my sega,

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you know, my my PlayStation, my you know, my bad so.

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Speaker 1: So so what games was was with that sega? When

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you moved in? It had to be a couple near

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and do to your heart honestly.

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Speaker 2: One well, when a PlayStation took place on it, man,

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and I love the some Mario part, dude, I love

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like taking them. You know the turtleshell is just slinging

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them at people in their car. You know that's not

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really real life. You can't do that in real life.

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back then, you know, but now that that was my

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kind of my kind of gig man. So you know,

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I'm looking around the room, and I really I remember

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to this day the stench that welcomed me in the room.

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I mean, when you walked in, you could smell something rantcid.

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It gripped you like you're like, okay, what is this?

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Like somebody leave food here and that didn't you clean

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some What happened? Well, I'm looking around for some reason,

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I was led to get on my hands and knees.

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Excuse me, had to pull this the blanket flap up

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that was on the bed a bed there. I don't

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know why, but as soon as I did this, it

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went from like blanket flap to this face underneath the

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bed of the little girl. She had a pale skin,

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black long hair, she's beautiful little girl. She had a

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white linen dress on. It was made during the turn

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of the century. It looked like and it was like

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she was frightened at me. She freaked out. I freaked out.

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I recoiled. It was nervous, scared, you know. She shimmied

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her little body all the way to the back of

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the wall. And I'm looking at her, and I'm thinking

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in my head, man, this family that's selling this house,

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that they forgot her kid, their kid. You know, they

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went out for dinner and their kids stayed behind, and

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you know, it's like a home alone situation at something.

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and I just acted like, you know, nothing ever happened.

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I didn't say anything. We got the car, come to

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find out the people that were selling the house where

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they were elderly, they had died. They didn't have like

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it was a a state sale, and there was no

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little kids in the family like that. Uh So, so

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that was my first instance. Once we moved into the house,

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I would be able to go to go to sleep

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at night and I would be woke. I would wake

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up at night time and I would hear someone walking

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on our wooden floors, creek Creek, Creek, and I would

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always walk up to my door that it would stop. So,

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I mean, I don't want to keep going on with

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the manifestations, but that was the very earliest onset of

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Speaker 1: And uh so to smell, were you the only one

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that can can smell that? Because we know there's a

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psychic smell Claire Synthians being able to smell the spirits.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was. And I didn't understand what it

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was that I was smelling until I got into the

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texts of the Extra Sister Right according to Biblical antiquity,

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and then it made a lot more sense. What I

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was encountering was what's called corpse pollution. Comes out of

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numbers nineteen and chapter eleven where the Extra sist Right originated.

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either new houses or old houses, and they would encounter

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what would smell like a dead body, and so if

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it was a dead body, they would still perform the

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same rite. Most of the time it was that it

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was consciousness of someone that died, and so then they

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would have what's called the open vessel law, which means

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that if there was a ghost or if there's a

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dead person in the house, you have to go in.

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all your dishes, you have your pots of food, you

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put lids on it. Because they believe that whoever it's,

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whoever smelled that spirit, had the ability to be possessed

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by it. And so at that point.

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Speaker 1: This is in numbers eleven.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what would numbers nineteen numbers nineteen eleven. Yeah,

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so it's called the corpse. It's called corpse pollution. But

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they discussed the open a vessel law. So that's the

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origin of possession. I didn't know that at the time,

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but they believed that as easily as you could smell

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these entities, they could wrap themselves around you and in

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you and possess it coming do in your consciousness. So

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that's what I experienced it as a youth. I had

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no idea, you know. And that's why, like when i'm

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mentor ghost times, I tell them, look, you know, whenever

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you're encountering an entity that smells like that, it's possible

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it's actively trying to possess you. And I think, and

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that's not to us that would be new, especially in

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a lot of ghost unders, I know, but to ancient

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exorcists that was quite a common motif in there in

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their literature. But that's what I encountered man at the

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very first onset of it. But it moved even further,

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Like it's crazy how it evolves. So there was one

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night where I was playing video games. I saw movement

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outside of my window in the corner of my eye,

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and you know, it's night time, so you've got kind

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of different paradigms of vision going on. It's dark, but

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my stream's light and what I'm looking at is dark,

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but I still noticed that. So I look over and

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about took me five seconds from my eyes to adjust,

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and I look and I see this dark outline, darker

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than the night it was in and it's just looking

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at me, just looking at me. And so then then

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it just kind of looked and uh, disappeared. Disappeared. The

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next day was h It's kind of funny because it

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was in the wintertime. The next day I get ready

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for school, I go look outside and there are huge

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footprints right next to my window seal, which my window

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seat what's about seven foot tall. So so that confused me,

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because if it's supposed to be a demon, how them

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it has physicality? Right then I started researching what a

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spirit was and all this stuff. So, you know, it's

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my very first encounter with these entities. But but I

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one hundred percent believe that wasn't a ghost that I encountered,

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or it wasn't a just a you know, benevolent, happy sweetheart,

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little girl ghost. It was an entity that thought I

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was young, I was a boy. I would like to

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play with the friend. And that's how it manifested. So

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that's how I started getting into the thought patterns of vicentities,

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how manipulous they could be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's insane. I'm tying stuff together in my head.

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You know, I've been in the scriptures a lot for

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the last couple of days. And you talking about that,

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and you were able to see, like, you know, between

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the dimension of a shade, that kind of Yeah, listen,

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I just threw that word out there, shade. And I

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know if you're a student, like I'm a student, I've

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got my Bible etword pulled up right now. Listen, last

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through four days, I've been in it non stop. God

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won't let me come out of it, but the word

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devil in the Old Testament, it's really interesting. I've been

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I've been into angelology lately last ten years. I've been

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studying the rankings and orders of angels and even some

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of the demons is but they're more general, they're just

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lower level entities or whatever. But we know, if we

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break down the word devil in the Old Testament, one

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of the words that pops up is a shade, which

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is a dark shadow being. Another is a sator a

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satyor there's levels, there's rankings, there's different beings. They're not

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just hey, it's a demon in your room, Okay, Well

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what kind is he bringing? A message? Is he here

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to attack me and possess my family? Like what's happening?

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And so it opens up a lot of nuance in

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it for us to be able to explore. So the

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shadow beings, the shadow people, or the shades which are

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mentioned of in the Old Testament.

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Speaker 2: Correct, correct, you got your shade and you also have

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your refinime. Again, once we get into like these different

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references to you know, demons and shades and everything, it's

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difficult not to understand that there are a lot of

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scholars who disagreed on the origin of the demon. Most

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most people, like your pre Katie ely by Eliazar, I

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believe that these were the soulos of damned. People who

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died were evil. They were unclean when they died, and

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they were unclean when they left their bodies. So when

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the unclean man or woman becomes the unclean spirit that leaves,

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and we have evidence of that. When Yeshue Jesus is

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speaking about when an unclean spirit go without of a man,

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it seeks rest. Why that's not a demon. He's seeking rest.

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He can't rest. We call them restless ghosts, restless spirits.

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And when he findeth none, he goes back to his house. Well,

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he said, that's a demon that doesn't house. He goes

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back to his house.

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Speaker 1: And we can go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's quoting what's called the Apocalypse of Ezra,

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the prophet Ezra, where Ezra talks to Yahweh and says,

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you know, he says, what happens to an evil man

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when he dies? And he basically says a president, you know,

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when an unclean spirit go without of a man, he

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wanders around seeking rest, he findeth none, and he goes

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to his house. When he finds his house cleaned and swept.

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What do you mean it's cleansed? He goes, as is interesting.

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He goes and he finds seven and this is what

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Jesus is mentioned. He goes and he finds seven other

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spirits greater than him. What are there's seven other spirits? Well,

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Apocalypse of Ezraus says, there's seven stages of grief.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So, so we're dealing with stages of the afterlife, not

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a you know, it's not a spatial existence. It's a

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spiritual existence where he has to go through seven stages

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of grief. And that's why when your shoe as sums

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it up, he says. And in the end, his death,

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in the end, his end, this worse than his beginning

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white because there's only one. There's not the one man

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he possessed. There's one hymn. He left his body. He

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became an unclean spirit. This is a Hebrew so tuma

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ruwa wow in the rua in Hebrews ruwak breath. This

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is interesting because we get the linguistics here. It's important

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ruwak spirit breath. When we're dealing with breath. There's only

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one species God ever breathed into or at least through

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the nostrils, which that's what ruwak means to inhale through

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the nostrils. It separates, right, Yeah, that's a dumb so

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ruwak breath to inhale life through the nostrils. So we're

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dealing with a species of spirit this is, which is not.

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We're just entertaining some of the ideas that the rabbis

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and scholars have. But it's interesting. So so you're right,

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it's very nuanced, it's complex.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's time a lot of stuff together for me.

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I tell you, I've been I've had I had another

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awakening Monday, Sunday and Monday, and I haven't it's been insants.

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But everything you're saying is tying so much together for me,

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so I appreciate it. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fascinating stuff, man. But the idea that

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that consciousness can exist outside of the body, and that

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it can mutate into something that it was not prior to,

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it's it's it's propped up by the also the understand

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I mean that good people they can die and they

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can evolve, and so so what happened to our ancestors

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and our scholars is that they had an idea. Either

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demons are just demons that God created that fell, or

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we're dealing with at least some entities that we consider

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demonic that are actually the level of antis, that are

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unclean spirits that will use people as hosts to rest in,

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they'll hide and stuff. So is this good? Can I

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keep on going? I know, we got second I can

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just really wrap on this stuff for a while. Man,

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But you know, and one of the texts that the

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scholars really point to is Psalms one on ninety six,

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where it's called the Purse text, where David is really

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hating on one of his haters. It's hilarious to me,

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and he's the he's like, you know what, he goes,

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there's this guy, this guy that's accused of me, and

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he's a false accuser and everything, and he says, you

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know what, why don't you appoint over him a wicked man?

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This is hilarious to me, savage, our man, David was savage,

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A point over him a wicked man. Now, the Hebrew

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word there is raschav Rasia has a dual meaning. It

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means possessing uh oh and evil. So what he's saying

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and This is why scholar has really wrestled with that.

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He's saying, I want you to go send an evil

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russ Shop possessing man to my enemy. It's deep stuff.

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And not only that, he said, then place a satan,

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an accuser at his side. And so demonology believe that

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there are many possession possession cases when you have a

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ghost possessing the individual and you have a satan next

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to him who was tormenting the possessing entity. This is

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why when you get into Catholicism, it's very damning because

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these exorcists the ability to confuse both of them as

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the same entity. When you're a cabalistic exers say there's

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two of them in there, and I'm just ran at

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this point. But yeah, it's fascinating and all of this

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right now. Obviously this is just as hypothesizing, or at

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least they were, but I think that it's a good

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foundation to start from when discussing the possession of phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to let you know where I've been last

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couple of days. It is about the ascension. It's about

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the ascension too. I was given the revelation it's always

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been there, and I knew pieces of it that the

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Bible is a book of ascension. It's about becoming a god.

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Jesus showed us how to do it. And within it,

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there's so many layers. Are spiritual, there's allegorical, there's literal,

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there's so many different nuances that you have to You

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have to attain light in your body to be able

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to even understand it. You're not going to You're not

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going to pick it up and be able to break

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down the stuff that you're sharing right now. This takes years.

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First of all, it takes experience. You have to open

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up your sheet and see a spirit looking you in

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the face and smell it so that when you read

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over that text that talks about an unclean or a

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foul spirit, Wow, my synapses connect and you got the

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revelations that Pastor Joe doesn't have because he's he doesn't

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even believe in those things. So the unlocking. So what

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I've been is knowing about the ascension and the people

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that have ascended, and those are the saints. Those are

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people who have achieved their light bodies. And Jesus ascended

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and he showed his light bodies to his disciples. Right,

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But again, what about those people who haven't and so

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I haven't even touched it yet. So what you're bringing

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to the table for my study this whole week is

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definitely the side of what happens to the individuals who

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are damned or who who die with more darkness in them,

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where they're not able to ascend out of this state

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of predatory or hell where they are now, and they

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become roaming spirits or wandering stars, even things like that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, man, yeah, and we call them restless spirits

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or unclean spirits. Now fascinating as unclean as it's a

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very unique term because it's limited to to the Torah.

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It's very interesting. So how what defines them as unclean?

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One also a very interesting aspect of this is if

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it points to the fact that we're dealing with mortals

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here that died. Is that when you go into the

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new test of the texts your shoe as the Exorcist,

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he would always use the word go go, you know,

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get right, get the behind me, safety or go Now.

470
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,000
That's a King James translation of the Hebrew word get

471
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,799
get is a bill of divorcement. It's very it's very

472
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,559
unique the way he phrases this. Literally, it's when you're

473
00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,839
dealing with the entity God has divorced you. And it

474
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,279
was almost as if they took a marriage covenant and said, okay,

475
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,319
this is what you were supposed to do, right, and

476
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:57,359
you broke the covenant. Now you're devolving, right, not evolving,

477
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,559
You're devolving. And I would suggests that in the beginning,

478
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,519
darkness was on the face of the deep emptiness void.

479
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,119
And so you know, all of these different references back

480
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,440
to to the beginning of creation and where people go

481
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,960
back to after that. It's very excut anyways. But yeah,

482
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,960
so so again, Uh, the fact is here, guys, is

483
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,279
if if these are supposed to be divorced beings, God

484
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:29,440
never married angels never. You know, it's the the literature

485
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,119
and theology starts to crumble, you know.

486
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: And he said he married Adam, he married Adam restored

487
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,720
in Christ right, yes, then married Adam to Eve was

488
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:41,160
the best man and the father.

489
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,519
Speaker 2: It's it, dude. I love that. That's Mortar kak Kaplan.

490
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:46,160
By the way, you got to get his book. He

491
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,920
talks about that whole symbolism and genesis. Yeah, it's beautiful.

492
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,759
So you're right, right, And so when you get to

493
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,480
the linguistics here ruwak to inhale life through the nostrils?

494
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,039
Who did that? The Adamic race. So so these are

495
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:04,960
the little arguments that scholars point to that maybe we're

496
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,119
not just dealing with, you know, angels that fell, but

497
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,440
we're dealing with men and women who devolved according to

498
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,279
their lifestyle and then when they die, they pressed palls

499
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,440
on their existence and now they themselves are being haunted

500
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,240
like we are in this dimension. It's very interesting. That's

501
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:25,400
what a lot of people believe.

502
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow wow. I'm trying to find my notes

503
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,640
really quick because I got to take some notes before it,

504
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,759
because I have to. I think that the whole divorce

505
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,839
scenario to get out right means divorce because all of

506
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:48,119
this is in legal terms. Right, you give the you

507
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,599
get the entities or the energies, legal ground to be

508
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,759
in your life, to be in your auric field, to

509
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,119
torment you, to be in your mind. Why by the

510
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,799
deeds and the things that you're entertaining. While the sun

511
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,680
is up and when the sun goes down, here they are,

512
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,039
here's the witching hour. The beings are loosed on the

513
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,799
earth or loosed into your life, and you have to

514
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,759
sever those legal contracts and that's what Jesus says, get out.

515
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:17,000
I'm severing this legal tie. Interesting thing, the opposite of

516
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,799
what you just mentioned that I found out this week

517
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,759
was a revelation to me to not only so to

518
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:24,920
get out is one thing, But the opposite of that

519
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,000
would be when he sends somebody like a commission, a commissioning.

520
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,079
So everybody he dealt with who like he imparted some

521
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,880
knowledge or wisdom or healed them or whatever, he sent

522
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920
them back to their homes. Go back to your family,

523
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,880
Stay away from those people because they're going to try

524
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,599
to talk you out of it. But when he sent

525
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,440
them out, that word sent out there is he sent

526
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:55,920
them at Apostolos. He commissioned, He commissioned them to bring

527
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,880
his truth and carry his truth into their life and

528
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,599
into their world. So this blind man that he healed

529
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,880
became an apostle because he's now carrying the message of

530
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,319
the Christ. You know what I'm saying. So these words

531
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,960
and these little in their stories man so good.

532
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: And it brings it brings a lot of flavor to it.

533
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,559
It brings it home more. And it's you know, and

534
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,680
I've done you know, I grew up Christianity and everything.

535
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,000
And so my dad's a Bible scholar. So I've had

536
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,839
many many conversations in my life have been allowed to

537
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,640
thankfully well, you know, just like that, you'll find a

538
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,799
scripture and then somebody illuminate your mind like you know what,

539
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,319
what about this little nuance? And then it's like, oh

540
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,720
my god, it completely unlocks the text. But you know,

541
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,400
again like diving into this, this narrative of all these

542
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:46,440
entities that originated at death. You know that we're living

543
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,200
people at one time and embodied. It goes back to

544
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,039
Genesis six and the legend of the nephileine. What were they?

545
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,680
Why is it that the Bible refers to them as

546
00:28:55,759 --> 00:29:00,559
refinime giants? But David, this is interesting, Dave, I'm sorry,

547
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,599
Job says this. This is interesting, guys. We have to

548
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:11,920
research this further. Job says, can giants be born of

549
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,279
the dead? He's referencing this and then that's that's the

550
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,200
septuagen version. The actual king James says that dead things

551
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,559
are formed beneath the waters. Dead things are formed beneath

552
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,880
the waters. That word for dead can be translated as refine,

553
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,759
and it is refine you, but it can be translated

554
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,640
as dead or giants. What Paul's using is a reference here.

555
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:43,559
He's tying giants with dead, with the dead Jesus or

556
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640
not Jesus a shoe or Yahweh rather mints that as

557
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,480
well when he talks about the congregation of the refine,

558
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:54,359
the congregation of the dead, not giants the dead. Even

559
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:59,519
in Proverbs eighth when the what was it the wise

560
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,839
woman is and sitting on the top of the gate,

561
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,559
and she's beckoning all of these visitors to come into

562
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,079
her home, and the Bible says that when her visitors

563
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,720
get inside of her house, they know not that her

564
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:15,160
guests are the rafine, And the translation there is are

565
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,039
the spirits of the dead. So when we get with

566
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:20,720
these linguistic so.

567
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: You think that's what you think, that's what the raf

568
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:24,039
are is the spirits of.

569
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely? Uh so so that yeah, so matter

570
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,359
of fact, not just not just the spirits of the dead,

571
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,599
we're also dealing with the Hebrew form of Raphai rapha

572
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:40,720
Jehovah rapha raphas where we get the word raphael the

573
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:45,640
healing angel, to rafa to heal. So you're also your

574
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,039
earliest scholars of integuity. They believe that these Rafayeem were

575
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:56,599
not just deceased people, but these were your first physicians

576
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:01,599
and your first exerciss who had turned against their own

577
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,039
calling and went to the dark side and then died,

578
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:11,279
so then they carried their knowledge into the afterlife. Now

579
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:17,799
I'm Ralfayem. I was a healer. This is why we're

580
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,200
at war with not just like I mean, we're got

581
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,680
to look at every form of spiritual warfare, necromancy especially

582
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,359
and that again when we're dealing with you apology, which

583
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,720
we'll get into shortly. But we're not just dealing with

584
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,759
just entities that can manifest just ghosts. I don't believe.

585
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:41,279
We're dealing with high level entities that that make Alistair

586
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,119
Crohlan and Bife the sleeve I look like just peasants.

587
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

588
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,240
And I know we're going you tied us into eupology

589
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,640
a little bit, but later yeah, whatever, whatever, let me

590
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,559
ask you this. So my my understanding has been changing

591
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:05,160
a little bit. It revelation has been changing, and it's

592
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,000
it's it's it's out of a less less romantic that

593
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:14,200
we you know, we uh romanticize with the text and

594
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,079
and and most of us who know Enoch and I've

595
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,759
got some demonologists watching and people a lot of people

596
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,519
start there, and we're getting into that. So the idea

597
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,440
of the sons of Seth if you will, right, and

598
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:29,640
so being you know, the Nephilm were the gods who

599
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,400
came down and made it with with women. And so

600
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,519
Michael Heizer's big on that the divine Council of the

601
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,359
Elohem and the gods who came down and those children

602
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,160
weren't able to go back to heaven and there's all

603
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,039
of this kind of nuanced which became demons, maybe a

604
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:47,319
realm of demons, maybe some demons. But it's kind of

605
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,039
and I've I've taught that I believe that, but it's

606
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,319
kind of been changing a little bit, like that they

607
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:58,160
were because it we like romanticize it. What you're saying

608
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,240
and what we're kind of getting into is like hold

609
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,960
on the consequence for turning away from from God, from

610
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,960
from being a fallen angel. That's what these were men

611
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,160
at some point or did they start off these gods

612
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,119
because Saw maybe two does say you are gods, but

613
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,119
you're gonna die. Now I'm going to limit your life.

614
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,279
You were gods, but now you're dying as men. Who

615
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:21,680
do you think that those people?

616
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so I lean towards a concept that was known

617
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,680
in Mesopotamia. See one thing that we have to remember.

618
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,039
And I didn't like this at first because I wanted

619
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:39,000
it to be wrong. But the Nephelie narrative was recorded

620
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,240
by different religions at that time, and so even the

621
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,759
term angel or malachim and Hebrew was did not originated

622
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,359
in Hebrew consciousness. They picked up that term from another religion,

623
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,599
and every really incorporated into their theology and angelology. So you're,

624
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,519
in compared with literature, mala kim meant to seee ancestor

625
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:02,680
So when we have fallen angels, a lot of your

626
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,160
rabbis will have a difficulty with that because they were like, Okay,

627
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,519
if you're an angel, how'd you fall? And if you

628
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,119
fell while you're still an angel, it wasn't it doesn't

629
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,519
make any sense, it si. And still you start looking

630
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,400
at how yahweh refers to men in battle and how

631
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,159
they fell. This man fell in battle, and start to

632
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,679
see that very interesting that these terminologies that are employed

633
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,320
about angels are also employed about mortal men at the

634
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,039
time that they die. So let's dive even further so

635
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,039
that the narrative of the Nathaline, I think is correctly

636
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,119
understood when you realize that Malaquine, the Malchine they're referring to,

637
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840
was deceased ancestor, so it makes a lot more sense.

638
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,719
So what I started doing when I dove into this

639
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,280
literature is I realized that it's difficult to flush out

640
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,159
any good narrative in Genesis six over reading Shakespeare in English.

641
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,760
You know, it's it's Hamlet and all this, it's really

642
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,719
how it was written. So what I needed for.

643
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: A good reason, though, for good reasons, so that you

644
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,519
have to dissect it. So you have to ponder, right, Yeah,

645
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,800
it's like a parable almost for sure. So you know,

646
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,840
and I did dissect that.

647
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to dive into it had first and get

648
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,559
more more understanding because it was highly nuanced, highly difficult.

649
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,199
You know, who are they? So you know it wasn't

650
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,679
just my experience and being difficult with it. I mean,

651
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,599
you know, we have people out there saying the sons

652
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:24,360
of self, you know, and we can't justify how they

653
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,320
had giants where they come from? Well, the DNA was

654
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,400
at it, so okay, who did that?

655
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: We don't know.

656
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,199
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we even have the Testament of

657
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,800
Reuben where it says, you know that we're blaming on

658
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,599
the women. The women were you know, it's the women's fault.

659
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,559
Matter of fact, the angels did even fall. They just

660
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,320
fell in love. And you know, how did they do that?

661
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,039
I mean, there's there are many different problems with this theory.

662
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,119
What did they get the seed to to insiminate the

663
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:47,760
women with? You know, how did they do that? Do

664
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,480
they have their own?

665
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah?

666
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,639
Speaker 2: You know, did they steal it from somebody else? So

667
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,599
all of this, this this nuance is president of the text.

668
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,719
It wasn't until I got a hold of what's called

669
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,880
the apocryphan of John as a Coptic manuscript preserved by

670
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:05,199
Egyptian monks. It gave commentary to this event in history.

671
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,199
They said that when the Bible mentions that they went

672
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,519
into them and married into them and made of them wives,

673
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,519
it wasn't as if they signed covenants of Torah with him.

674
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,440
It said that what happened was these entities waited until

675
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,159
the husbands were absent from the wife. It's very dangerous

676
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:25,719
at war.

677
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:27,639
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what David did, right.

678
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: Right, right right, and then they would met. This is

679
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,039
very interesting, guys, because there's a lot of people. I've

680
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,360
never heard this before, and I love teaching teaching it

681
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,599
because I know when I first heard it, Dude, I

682
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,960
went off, I started, I started. I was like, oh

683
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,400
my God, I call my dad, I said, dude, revelation, Man,

684
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,599
when it hits, it hits. So said that, excuse me,

685
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,360
said that these entities manifested to the women in the

686
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,039
image of their husband. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa?

687
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: Where's that?

688
00:36:54,039 --> 00:37:00,559
Speaker 2: Where's that Apocryphate of John? This is this gets wild quick, men.

689
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,840
They manifested in the image of the husband. Now, for

690
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,679
your religious scholars out there, this is why Paul says,

691
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,079
if another Jesus comes to you.

692
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: Bro, like Jacob wrestling with the angels, he saw them

693
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:27,400
ascending and decent. He's seen them evolving and messing up

694
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,639
to come back down. Wow.

695
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is interesting. So you know Paul's teaching this.

696
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360
He's teaching this concept. If another doctrine comes to you,

697
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,239
if another spirit comes to you, matter of fact, if

698
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,360
another Jesus comes to you, watch this, paulses, I have

699
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,199
espoused to you to one we're dealing with someone who's

700
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,679
married and dealing with an entity that's gonna manifest as

701
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,719
the Covenant, the doctrine, the spirit, and the name to

702
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,000
the bride. Yeah, as though right, as though I'm the husband.

703
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,719
It's fascinating. So anyway, so yeah, the puckerphon of Johnat

704
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,880
says that they manifested to the women in the images

705
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,719
of their husbands. Now, why so they groomed him in intercourse.

706
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:17,000
Now this is very important. Guys. At the moment of conception,

707
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:25,280
they stared into their eyes and they changed their appearance

708
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,480
to their what their apparition really look like. That's why

709
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,679
I'm telling That's why I'm That's why I teach that

710
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,360
these are deceased people. So you have the apparition staring

711
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:44,320
into the eyes of the female while it's insiminating her. Now,

712
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,559
what are we dealing with now. In antiquity, that's called

713
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:51,239
it obstected tradition. When Jacob would bring his sheep or

714
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,400
goats to the water before they made it, it was

715
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,920
because they looked at their own image, their own images

716
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,440
they would recreate after the image they were looking at.

717
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,480
That's what that's what's called the obstrected tradition. They believe

718
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:06,199
that whatever image the woman was focused upon at the

719
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:10,440
moment of incimination, she would birth the material image of

720
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,880
through her womb as a child. This is why they

721
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,960
did not want her to recreate the image of her husband.

722
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,800
They wanted her to recreate the image of their Their

723
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,920
apparitions very important. Then, So now what do we have

724
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:36,360
here is we have the software and the hardware. We

725
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:41,639
had the apparition that father is its own child. Now

726
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,320
I have evidence that they're possessing the child that they fathered.

727
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,559
So very interesting.

728
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: So these beings, were they ascended beings? Were they beings

729
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,280
that ascended? And then kind of.

730
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: They're liminal, They're liminal, So we're dealing with liminal to

731
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,079
these Now, liminal isn't just an academic term that means

732
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,199
they're into places at once, or they're in between two

733
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,039
places at once one of the two. So I would

734
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:09,840
suggest to you that there, let's get back to the

735
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,320
Allaheen real quick for a fleeting moment.

736
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: I just want to I'm just trying. I'm trying to

737
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,840
tie that in a little bit about the ability to

738
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,320
shape shift, about the ability to take on after ascension

739
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,760
or maybe even on lower levels, like some dark shamans

740
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,800
are able to change in face. Jesus did that when

741
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
he came back to his disciples. When he didn't he

742
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,880
didn't want them to recognize him yet, he took on

743
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,119
different forms and he also showed his light body as well.

744
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,920
So I'm just thinking the ascended beings are able to

745
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,360
to more for shape shift.

746
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are these words, and these are they're still

747
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,920
doing it this day. But but yeah, so so they

748
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,679
insimiated the female and then they created this this species.

749
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,599
Now the apography that John says that from the darkness

750
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,159
they bore children from the darkness, what's the reference here?

751
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:07,920
From that portion of death the existence? They created children

752
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:12,880
that had the image of their likeness. So I described

753
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,760
this as as if it's the nature of possession. It's

754
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,480
not the relocation of consciousness. It's the replication of life.

755
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: It's forceful, forceful.

756
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,639
Speaker 2: It's almost in the sense and a legal form of

757
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,239
reincarnation to them, where they will create a child and

758
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,840
then place their consciousness in it. Now, what's interesting about

759
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,880
this is it's not transient possession. It's not an empty

760
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,760
possessing garant edda, which is you know, in a shower

761
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,960
or going at a grocery store, you know, looking for contact.

762
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,239
This is different. Now I have a body that looks

763
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:45,960
like my apparition.

764
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: Okay, now, I gotta stop you there because I'm just

765
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,239
tying things together a little bit here. Yeah, I'm with

766
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,079
you now, and I know you're not traditional Christian anymore,

767
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,840
but it kind of seems like, you know, the next

768
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,159
blow is like, here is the these beings who came

769
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,440
down and impregnated Mary to have their seed. I didn't

770
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,639
know if that's where you go out with that.

771
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,119
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going with that at all.

772
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,679
Speaker 1: Okay, no, because I mean, I know there's people Jesus

773
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,599
was that alien or Jesus was these kind of things.

774
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,599
Speaker 2: And well, I think that we're at war, and I

775
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,000
think that yahweh did that for a reason because now

776
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:24,840
it's I'm in your territory for sure. Watch this the

777
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,800
Fathers of the Son Wait a minute, right, it's it's

778
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,519
an amazing the way that that they outline that. Anyways, Yeah,

779
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,599
so so that's what they did. And so I think again,

780
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,960
if we have to understand the nature of possession according

781
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,519
to antiquity, uh, you know, our earliest text, according to

782
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:45,079
James Fraser, the Golden bowl, the anthropologist is that possession

783
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:50,320
originated I'm a battlefield when warriors were mortally wounded, they

784
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,119
were dying, but they didn't want to die, so they

785
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,000
would actually leave their own bodies prior to their body

786
00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:01,199
dying dispossession and then and then calm, dear the consciousness

787
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,760
of another person, place their soul in that individual as

788
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,199
a form of survival. So as long as there was

789
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,519
a body for them, do and have it, their soul exists.

790
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:13,599
It's very interesting.

791
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,559
Speaker 1: Well here's the maybe this is where you're going. I

792
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:18,639
don't know because not a lot of people go here.

793
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,559
Not a lot of people go here. With the maybe

794
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:25,800
alien grays, which people think, are you know these just

795
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:31,920
a body that was created that is lifeless. And then

796
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,559
the spirit of the fall in the demon is able

797
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,320
to now have an earth a suit in this reality

798
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,480
like almost like Charles Lee Ray dying and becoming Chucky

799
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,000
and I'm still here right, So that the alien grays

800
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:50,920
are meat suits that someone or something put a spirit

801
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,760
inside to animate. Is that where you go?

802
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,199
Speaker 2: One hundred? Oh God, yes, oh yes, And I have

803
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,800
a lot of evidence to support that. Number one. These

804
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,679
tees in Genesis six courting pocket of John has said

805
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,400
that they had the same likeness. Matter of fact, they

806
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:12,679
said they had copies of bodies. Hello, Grace, same things,

807
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,079
same things, and okay, so so Fritz Kramer, Uh, he

808
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,320
wrote a book called The Red Fez. He would call

809
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,440
these skin suits social skins. Now are our scholars that

810
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:30,039
antiquity called these social skins in exterior soul an X

811
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,239
to your soul? So the end to your soul is

812
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,400
what we would call an apparition. The X to your

813
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,039
soul is what that operation possesses the body that's the

814
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:38,679
X to your.

815
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:42,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, would that be? Would that be some of my

816
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,280
studies kind of showing me the difference between a soul

817
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,159
and a spirit, like the soul and the like something.

818
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: Yah.

819
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 1: Same, So so becoming a spirit if you will in

820
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:53,320
this process?

821
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, very much. So. It's the Yeah, it's the

822
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:01,079
creating of what's called the social skin. Now in the Bible,

823
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,440
it references the social skin as a garment. It's a

824
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,480
garment that one leaves. It's like taking off a coat. Now. Now,

825
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,119
what's also interesting again is that the social skin was

826
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,719
designed for them to interact in this dimension with us.

827
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,960
It's almost if it extends their life. So the more

828
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
social skins they can make, the more social skins they

829
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,880
can possess. You can have a thousand grays and have

830
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,280
one entity possessing them all.

831
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: Legion, Legion.

832
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating stuff. But so again, I don't know

833
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:36,840
how much time we have. We have, We got.

834
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: As much time as you want. Yeah, okay, I'm enjoying

835
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,599
it so much. Like this is why this is dude,

836
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,840
Just be straight up with you. The Lord is speaking

837
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,039
through you like heavily.

838
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: So appreciate I appreciate it. Sure, thank you man. Uh yeah,

839
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,159
so that's what we're dealing with. We're not just dealing

840
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:57,440
with identities that want to appear to have a relationship

841
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,760
with us or even really I mean, we're dealing with

842
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,880
entities that what to comment dear the covenant that God

843
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,239
made with his people and assume the position of doctorate

844
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,519
authority and not just that but unction and spirit. Yeah,

845
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,480
you know, Paul deals with this and I don't ever

846
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,039
talk about this because usually it's just you know, negative, negative, negative,

847
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,800
but truth seekret we're gonna dive in today. Man. Paul

848
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,079
mentions this because he's again he's dealing I I am

849
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,480
espousing you to one husband. Why he's dealing with the

850
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,280
covenant here, he's dealing with the fact the entities are

851
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,239
gonna manifest you. They're gonna say to Jesus, they're gonna

852
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,239
say the y'all, they're gonna try to give you covenant.

853
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,400
They're gonna try to give you manifestation. They're gonna give

854
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,480
you doctrine. Right, your husband's away, He's right, he's not

855
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:46,000
returned yet. And he says, if that happens, right, he's

856
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,079
screaming in the midnight of man's imagination, hold the phone. Yeah,

857
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,280
so yeah, yeah, So I do believe we're dealing with

858
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,760
the same entities and your apology as we're dealing with

859
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,679
in possession cases.

860
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know who I have a

861
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,159
lot of respect for. And it's almost like a hero

862
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,400
in that in that story to me, Thomas, Thomas, you know,

863
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,400
Jesus leaves and he tells them before he goes, listen,

864
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,880
many are going to come in my name and they're

865
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,360
going to try to deceive you. And then most of

866
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,079
the disciples believe the first apparition that that showed up

867
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,960
who said he was Jesus. Everybody said, hey, it's him,

868
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,639
and Thomas is like, hold on, man, like he just

869
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,119
told us that we're gonna they're going to try to

870
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:28,840
get us. They're gonna try to trick us, Like you

871
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,039
can't believe the first one. I need proof, you know.

872
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,159
So I have a lot of respect for for him

873
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,079
as a seeker, as a truth seeker, you know what

874
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:35,760
I'm saying.

875
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,519
Speaker 2: And people, you know, at least in my experience, they dog.

876
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: Exactly Thomas the virtue man.

877
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So okay, So let's get back to the

878
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,239
idea of these raphi eve existing and having knowledge, you know,

879
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,239
prior to even their death. These were your first not

880
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,400
just not just not just exercistem physicians, but these were

881
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,440
your first midwives as well. That's why Lemiche too was

882
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,239
supposed to be a midwife. Like in Egyptology, they had

883
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,920
a like when the Hebrew slaves were in Egypt, they

884
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,159
had a demon, a female demon that they believe were

885
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,519
killing their babies by being their midwives. So it's very

886
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,920
interesting how all of these different roles your physician, your heal,

887
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,199
your extras, and your midwife were all manifested in the

888
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,119
UFO abduction phenomenon. It's interesting. So let's get back to

889
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:36,599
again their knowledge and what they understand. So there is

890
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,360
no behavioral pattern now in the field of yourthology that

891
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:47,360
has not already been manifested in through necromancy in biblical antiquity.

892
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,920
Now I have about maybe thirty more minutes that.

893
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fun.

894
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, wet guys, all right, cook. So so

895
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,000
let's look at this as an aspect of the afterlie.

896
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,599
So again we're dealing with possession and how possession works.

897
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,880
There was a cork of people that existed that believe

898
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:11,039
that when an ancestor of their dye, they would bury

899
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,239
them in the home in the basement. They were called

900
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,599
family gods. It's called intro murial burial. Then they would

901
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:21,480
go to an artificer of metal blacksmith and say, okay,

902
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:26,239
I want you to create an image of my deceased

903
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,760
ancestor out of metal. And so then they would take

904
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,599
that piece of metal they placed in their home. In

905
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:38,360
the consciousness of that unclean spirit would possess that piece

906
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,119
of metal and it would exist in that image that

907
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:43,039
it had possessed.

908
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,159
Speaker 1: Can I drop a word to see if it's the

909
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,559
same thing. Terrifim yep, terrifim.

910
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep. So then later on they evolved in

911
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,719
their understanding where now they were digging up corpses of

912
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,400
the recently deceased, taking them, dragging them into their home homes,

913
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:06,639
and taking a small metal implant uh oh, carving the

914
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,440
name of an unclean spirit of Tua ruma or tumarua

915
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,199
rather on a clean spirit, right uwak someone who died

916
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:14,639
he would healed light to get in the ostrals now

917
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,280
and placing that name on the metal and then implanting

918
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,440
the metal into the corpse. Now that consciousness is possessing

919
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:26,920
the dead body and speaking through it. I do believe

920
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,480
one hundred percent that that's what we're dealing with in

921
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:38,079
the implant scenario. Wow, they're putting consciousness in us. Their

922
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,559
own matter of fact.

923
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,039
Speaker 1: Is that you start seeing. It's almost like you know

924
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,880
in like a lot of this is romanticized within the

925
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,239
horror movies and stuff like that. So you know, there's

926
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,760
movies about somebody who uh, they went blind and so

927
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,039
they got the eyes of a dead person who was

928
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,639
a wicked person, and now they're seeing things that that

929
00:50:56,679 --> 00:51:00,760
person saw. Right, So now this entity or this spirits

930
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,920
like living and communicating through them because there's some type

931
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,360
of form of connection there.

932
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,119
Speaker 2: Oh God, God connected with them, you know, and you

933
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,559
implant exactly right. Yeah, so what are you know, what

934
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:17,119
are they putting into us? They're putting themselves in us

935
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:23,559
in a way, and so you hold on, man, there

936
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:26,079
we go, there we go. Sorry about that. I have

937
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:29,400
my phone on. You're not disturbed. I don't get that anyway.

938
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,960
So what happened is, yeah, so they had this understanding

939
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,199
years ago, thousands of years ago. Okay.

940
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:35,159
Speaker 1: Uh.

941
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: What's fascinating is that if we understood that context, then

942
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,880
then it helps us understand uh, what they're doing and

943
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,360
why they're doing it. Like I have cases right now,

944
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,280
not my cases, but I know of cases of abductions

945
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,199
where like one in one was a young young kid.

946
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,320
He's like, you know, it was actually written by an adult,

947
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,920
but he remembers. He reflects, reflecting back to his childhood

948
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:55,320
and says many.

949
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:55,559
Speaker 1: He says.

950
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: One day, I was getting rid of for bed, he says,

951
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,159
and all of a sudden, I'm looking around, and he said,

952
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,559
I'm in my room, but what I'm seeing is like

953
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:10,519
I'm outside of my room, flying closer to my house

954
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,440
on the east side. He said, So I was looking

955
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,119
through their eyes wow, And so I would suggest that

956
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:23,480
they were looking through his So what they did is

957
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:25,719
they had put it in plane in him and they

958
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,599
created a unified stream of consciousness. So it's not Google Maps,

959
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:32,519
it's just when do I want to be with him

960
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:34,960
or her? And then I'll figure out where I'm at.

961
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,000
It's a wild concept, but we're dealing.

962
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: Somebody here in the chat, says Amber says Amber. Virgo says, right,

963
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,480
that's why psychics. A lot of psychics know so much

964
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,559
because of their demons. Right. The lady that had a

965
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,960
spirit in her and acts with nineteen that Paul rebuked,

966
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,079
there was actually a spirit of Python that was within

967
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:59,719
her and she was able to kind of see and

968
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,400
know things and communicate from this unseen realm because there

969
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,679
was some kind of connection that she had through possession

970
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,960
the things. Yeah, there's a righteous you know, all of

971
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000
this stuff past polarity. Right, there's a righteous or way

972
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,559
to use it for light and a way to use

973
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,159
it for darkness. Right. God's kingdom is the kingdom of light.

974
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,800
We are connected with him and he's in us, and

975
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,320
he's speaking and downloads and we're hearing things. But it's

976
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,000
usually good stuff. It's beautiful things of evolution and higher

977
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,920
vibrational existence stuff versus on the other side, derogatory things,

978
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,920
kill yourself, you know, and all this kind of stuff

979
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,039
that people are hearing voices and right having nightmares and stuff.

980
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:46,599
Speaker 2: You know, you're right, there's polarity to it. And I've seen,

981
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:48,519
like I wouldn't call it possessions, you know, but I've

982
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:51,639
seen people who have had gifts where they've evolved into

983
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,400
their ministry or whatnot. And you know, they're very gifted,

984
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:59,159
veryan o the people. But you know, so the idea

985
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:01,159
that these were the first ex everything. They have knowledge,

986
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:03,400
they have pternatural knowledge that we don't have access to.

987
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,639
Not only that I will what I've been doing lately

988
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,760
is I've been studying these these these abductions that don't

989
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,719
include the body. Uh So, let me give you a scenario.

990
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,800
Imagine that, like you're a husband, right, You're going to

991
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,199
bed at night or whatever. You roll over to make

992
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,159
sure you know your wife's you're a part of whatever

993
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:29,519
they're they're they're good, they're good to go, they're asleep

994
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,840
and everything, and out of nowhere you see their apparition

995
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:36,960
peel itself out of the body and float out through

996
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,719
a window and do a ship a ball of light

997
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,320
you see outside of the window. That's happened all across

998
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,000
the world. Matter of fact, this is Ray Fowler's work.

999
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:48,519
Ray Fowler was working with Betty Andres and Luca. Where Betty,

1000
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:51,480
that was Betty's case. That's Bob Luca, her husband was

1001
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:55,559
when that witnessed her soul leave her body. Now Betty

1002
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:59,079
Luca remembers the encounter even though she was never physically abductor.

1003
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:07,159
These accounts of spiritual or soulish abduction fill the airwaves

1004
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,559
all across the world, and people are starting to come

1005
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,760
out of the woodwork by expressing finally, Okay, this is

1006
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,000
what's going to happen to me my whole life. I

1007
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,400
never understood it. But according to Ray Fowler's research, these

1008
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,679
abductions include every bit of what a physical abduction would include.

1009
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,920
You know, they talk to the individual, they educate the individual,

1010
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,880
and then right before putting them into their body again,

1011
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,360
they say that you won't remember this until it's time.

1012
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,320
So all of this fits into something that I discovered

1013
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:42,800
in the Book of Ezekiel, chapter thirteen. This gets very

1014
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,320
dark and disturbing quickly, so just bear with me. Yahweh

1015
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:53,320
reference is a species of necromancer that has the ability

1016
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,599
to pluck the soul out of the body, and he

1017
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:04,079
calls them soul hunters. Is an execuel for Chucker thirteen,

1018
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,920
those who hunt the souls of men to make them

1019
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:16,599
fly soul in the Fesh and nasham these again, there

1020
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:21,159
are a specific species of entity that will go into

1021
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:25,239
the homes at nighttime and they will pluck the soul

1022
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,079
of the victim out of their body. So what happened

1023
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:32,639
was an antiquity. These individuals would create certain nets around

1024
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,719
their bed at nighttime. We would call them dream catchers. Now,

1025
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,719
the reason they did that is because they did not

1026
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,079
want their dreams snatcher, the dream entity to come through

1027
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,960
snatch their soul, and they had a net so that

1028
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:48,360
they realized that they hook at least that the net

1029
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,719
would catch their soul from leaving with them. So they

1030
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,880
created these different ambulets, different forms of warfare. But these

1031
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:03,960
entities one hundred percent had the ability to pluck people

1032
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,280
out of themselves and to make them fly. Now, this

1033
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:16,519
flying reference is it goes back to an ancient Egyptian

1034
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:22,039
reference to the bird's soul or the baa soul. We

1035
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,599
see that in the demonology in Psalms ninety one, when

1036
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:31,679
David's talking about the snare of the foul, right, that

1037
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,000
bird's soul.

1038
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,159
Speaker 1: That is clean birds, Yeah.

1039
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:42,159
Speaker 2: Right, snatch them. Yeah, so they believe that, Yeah, this

1040
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,440
baa soul would leave the body at the moment of death.

1041
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,880
We would call them an orb. So when the orb

1042
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,320
would leave the body, these empties would snatch it, use it,

1043
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:56,679
manipulate it, enslave it, capture all that stuff. So so

1044
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,000
it easy took thirteen He says that they're doing this,

1045
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,360
and then he mentions what I call the currency have consciousness.

1046
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,440
Why are they're doing this? Those who should live are dying?

1047
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:17,719
Why so those who should die can live? What are

1048
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:20,440
we dealing with? It's the same concept of them leaning

1049
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,480
on us, using us not just our bodies, but also

1050
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:27,800
our souls to prolong their existence. We are at war here, and.

1051
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,639
Speaker 1: The gospel is exactly what you said, but the opposite,

1052
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,599
those who deserve to die are given the chance to

1053
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:35,440
attain life.

1054
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: Wow, because of it's fascinating.

1055
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good man. So do you think orbs are

1056
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,599
beings too? I gotta I got a friend that can

1057
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:48,079
make orbs appear on site and catches them on camera.

1058
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: And I do believe.

1059
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:54,039
Speaker 1: That there's a lot of dust particles though, yeah.

1060
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: Best particles. Yeah, yeah, you know, I know that, But

1061
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,039
I do believe that orbs. I'll tell you what's kind

1062
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:04,960
of funny. One night, one morning, rather my mom called me.

1063
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,119
She's like listening because I got to tell you something. Said, okay,

1064
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,760
she said, uh, we used to have chickens back in

1065
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,199
the day. She's like, you know, she goes, yesterday morning.

1066
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,199
You know, she said, this morning, about an hour ago,

1067
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,119
I went out to go feed the chickens, went to

1068
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:17,920
go out collect bag. She goes, and I looked out

1069
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:21,800
and she said, I'm looking through the trees. She said,

1070
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,079
this ball of light. She said, this ball of light

1071
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,239
is just floating like that. Then it descends at us

1072
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,559
and it just starts weaving itself through the trees. She said,

1073
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,639
I've never even heard of it anything like that. Have

1074
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:36,840
you ever heard them? Yeah, it's an ORB. But she

1075
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,480
never believed it. She didn't even know. You know, she

1076
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:40,719
never heard of it either. She she witnessed us. So

1077
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,760
these things exist. I will say something as well. One

1078
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,960
of my mentors, doctor Michael Lynch, he's a great, great

1079
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,599
ghost on her amazing man too. But he told me

1080
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,199
a story about these orbs. He said, men, he said,

1081
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:54,400
I was doing a case and he said, he said.

1082
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,840
I was in the house and he said, wrapped all

1083
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,159
my equipment up. I was putting my equipment in my car.

1084
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,400
He said, I saw this ORB floating through an alleyway

1085
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,199
and he's like, you know, He's like, you got to realize.

1086
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:07,199
These orbs have the ability. We've seen them to go

1087
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,239
inside the body and out throughout, you know, in the

1088
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,119
walls and everything, he said. But I had a laser

1089
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,400
thermometer on me where you shoot the laser and it

1090
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,679
takes the temperature of what, you know, whatever object it is,

1091
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,360
he said. So I found it and I shot it

1092
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,360
with the laser. I wanted to see what, you know,

1093
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,880
if it was cold or warm or whatever, he said.

1094
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,840
But when the laser hit it, the light refracted off

1095
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,800
of it, so it was solid. So whatever we're dealing

1096
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,880
with has the ability to de materialize and be solid.

1097
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,400
So good. But yes, to your point, I do believe

1098
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,199
we're dealing with consciousness, and that's what they believe throughout history.

1099
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: A couple couple of questions before we move on too

1100
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
far again with my studies. I'm just I've been giving

1101
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,360
like this these downloads and then trying to find the

1102
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,960
scriptures to prove it, and so much of it popping up.

1103
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,480
But about the cycles and what happens at night, we

1104
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,800
know about the witching hour where those spirits are loosed

1105
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,000
again to your into your life every every night, every month,

1106
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:05,239
every year. Right, there's cycles that are happening every night.

1107
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,000
And you mentioned the the dream catcher where they get

1108
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:12,199
you know, these these spirits get stuck and the bad

1109
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,239
dreams get stuck within the dream catcher. And the other

1110
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,320
part because of my study, is tying in with astro theology,

1111
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,800
which is the sun right, and in the power of

1112
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,039
the sun and the power of those watches of the

1113
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:27,000
night where we're going through stages of darkness, but then

1114
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:30,880
the sun rises in the morning and it's and bringing

1115
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,400
the reward or even there's some somebology of Christ rising,

1116
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:38,880
raising from the dead and bringing forth joy and peace

1117
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,199
of that when the sun rises. Listen, you made it

1118
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:42,920
through the night, You made it through the dark night

1119
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,440
of the soul even, and so they believe that when

1120
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,480
the sun rose, the sun would burn out those entities

1121
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,679
who weren't able to go back into the darkness, right,

1122
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:57,599
because they're stuck and then the sunlight hits them almost

1123
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,559
where we would get the idea of a vampire as well.

1124
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,400
What do you have any more revelation on on the

1125
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,199
sun with these beings as well.

1126
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: The nocturnal I don't know. I'll tell you this the

1127
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:13,280
encounter I had as a child, I felt a grade

1128
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,440
because I couldn't go to sleep at night, but when

1129
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,960
the sun revealed itself, felt safe. I mean, yeah, I

1130
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,840
felt completely safe. And I so I did like a

1131
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,079
year of school where I mean, oh my god, dude,

1132
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,480
I was getting thirty minutes of sleep because that's all

1133
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:34,039
the sun rise a seventh, seven thirty. I'm up there. Yeah.

1134
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:37,719
So so I don't know why, but I do believe

1135
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,239
that they follow their own schedule. Yeah, you know, just

1136
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,440
like we're talking about.

1137
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,719
Speaker 1: Wow, I've been, you know, I've been. I've been deep

1138
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,559
into that study. So you bringing up the dream catcher

1139
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:46,760
or something I didn't even think of.

1140
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm demons.

1141
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:52,639
Speaker 1: Biblical Biblical antiquity, but it's it goes, it goes into

1142
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:57,599
every like you know, the Biblical antiquity. Antiquity is a

1143
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:01,519
collection of world antiquity if you will. It's if it's

1144
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,000
true for those guys, it has to be true for

1145
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:06,840
everyone else as well. So that's where I've been proved.

1146
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,679
So I'm glad you brought that up. Another thing that

1147
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,480
probably would scare a lot of people, and somebody posted

1148
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:17,519
something here in the chap you mentioned these entities, these

1149
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:22,280
fallen dark beings are trying to get these chips into you.

1150
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,719
And now we're on the brink of merging with machines

1151
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:33,480
and Metaverse and the EMUSK neurolink and also R five

1152
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:36,599
D technology to have all your information. So you're talking

1153
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:40,320
about putting these chips or implants in people. People are

1154
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,039
already freaking out. So what do you think about some

1155
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:45,760
of that stuff that's coming down the pipeline? Are Are

1156
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,760
they connected with these beings? Have they made packs with

1157
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:49,679
these entities?

1158
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: I'll say that I don't know if they made packs

1159
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,480
with them, but I personal believe it really wouldn't matter

1160
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:01,119
to these entities, right because let me suggest this. I

1161
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:03,519
had an Ecubus case one time where the entity was

1162
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:05,800
laying in between the husband and wife at nighttime. With

1163
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,079
this place of swight, you could actually see it laying down.

1164
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:12,199
This entity was so evil that it was calling the

1165
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:18,519
husband's phone, answering it, calling and answering it, and then

1166
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,760
putting it on speaker and then talking to the wife

1167
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,239
through it. Hey came here, I want to talk to you.

1168
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,199
Get over here. I want to talk to you. I've

1169
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:29,079
had cases of and I'm what I'm doing. What I'm

1170
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:32,480
talking about here is them interfering with technology, right, I've

1171
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,440
had I did a show with a dark Horse paranormal

1172
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,159
one time where these entities started out with the transmission,

1173
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:41,920
they talked to each other. According to Kristin, one of

1174
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,320
the hosts and one of my best friends ever, she

1175
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,199
heard it. It come through her earphones. They one of

1176
01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:51,119
them said to the other, wait until they can hear us.

1177
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,239
And then when we got live on air, they began

1178
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,639
to cuss me out and call me these different names.

1179
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,880
But Kristin, she said it shook her so much that

1180
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,519
she took her headphones off. The evil she felt emanating.

1181
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:06,039
It wasn't just oh my god, she's heard creepy you

1182
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:09,039
know ubp's before. This was different, she said. She said

1183
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,880
it it really messed up. She threw the headphones off,

1184
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,039
ran out of the interview, and thing outside sort of cigarettes,

1185
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,400
she said, it was not evil. But here's my point, guys,

1186
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:20,760
if they had the ability to interfere with our technology

1187
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,559
to that degree to call our phone, answer it for us,

1188
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,760
put it that stuff on speaker and then talk to it.

1189
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:32,079
My god, I don't want that in my head. Wow

1190
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,840
yeah right, I mean yeah, you can me. It's like yeah,

1191
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,280
my god, yeah for sure.

1192
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,199
Speaker 1: So it is the We also got to bring it

1193
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:44,920
back to the spiritual too, because we already have very

1194
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,039
similar technology. Obviously, all of the technology that that they're creating,

1195
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:52,159
it comes out of our anatomy. It comes out of

1196
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:55,199
our spiritual technology, which we already have the power to do.

1197
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,280
So we already have the power the ability to be hacked.

1198
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:00,880
Like I've never heard it like a VP speak through

1199
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,719
voice like that, but I've heard them speak through people

1200
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:07,320
without them knowing it and the energy be sucked out

1201
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,639
of the room when this. I've had people on my

1202
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:13,039
podcast huge names that I've had to say, Okay, we'll

1203
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,159
talk to you later, thanks for coming on. Brother Boom

1204
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:17,639
hang up. Oh my god, I couldn't breathe.

1205
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: Something will speak.

1206
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: He had. He had a hatred of bitterness, a rage

1207
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:26,920
was instilled with him that was coming out as a teacher,

1208
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:30,079
and it was like everyone could feel it, and I

1209
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:33,360
just had to thank you for coming on, man, but

1210
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,400
I had to bro like it wasn't just me. Everyone

1211
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,119
could feel it. So right, they have the ability to

1212
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:43,000
hack us and to hack other people. And the way

1213
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:47,079
that they do that the implant is your hurt, is

1214
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:52,480
your bitterness, is your unforgiveness. That's their neurolink to speak

1215
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,000
to and through you. We are channels.

1216
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, and this is very interesting man. I mean,

1217
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000
I mean now we can get into the because now

1218
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,079
we're tapping into how they can lay themselves on us

1219
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:08,760
and you know, manipulate our thoughts and everything. I'll give

1220
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,280
you a case in point. About two years ago, I

1221
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,079
was at a restaurant and I was smoking my cigar,

1222
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,920
reading my books, man, and my buddy walks over to me.

1223
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,400
He goes, hey, dude, he goes, I want you to

1224
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,800
help my friend out. He's like, you know, she's got

1225
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,800
a lot of things going on in her life, and

1226
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,679
she she, you know, I know what you do, maybe

1227
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:25,320
you can help us.

1228
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:25,639
Speaker 1: Okay.

1229
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:29,639
Speaker 2: So she sits down with their boyfriend and she starts

1230
01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:31,800
her story out. She's like, you know, and she goes,

1231
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:35,360
my best friend lived with her grandfather in this really

1232
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,760
old house and they had an entity in the house.

1233
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,559
And she said, the other day it decided he chased.

1234
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,119
It was like manifest you could see it. It chased

1235
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,400
her grandfather out. He had a corner and he died

1236
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,280
of a heart attack in the lawn. But he left

1237
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,599
the home to this girl. This this is his granddaughter.

1238
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:56,119
And she said, oh, this is my best friend. It's

1239
01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:57,679
her best friend. She's like, you know, she wants me

1240
01:07:57,719 --> 01:07:59,800
to come and stay with her, she said, but I'm

1241
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,519
a to I don't want to go in that house.

1242
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:04,960
You know, if it's physical enough to chase somebody out

1243
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:07,480
and terrify them enough to die, I don't want anything

1244
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:09,800
to do with And I said, what's probably wise. You know,

1245
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,400
in your case, you know it's probably wise. But I said,

1246
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,840
as I'm talking to you, which I'm gonna I'm gonna

1247
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,079
say this in real time, as I'm talking to her,

1248
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:22,920
I see this dark cloud just just envelop her, laid

1249
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,359
on her like a cloud. And I said, instantly I

1250
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,840
had knowledge, words of knowledge. I said, okay, I said,

1251
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,600
I do believe that there is a grandfather that needs help.

1252
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,439
I do believe that there's a young girl that needs help.

1253
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,319
But I said, and I could help your friend. I said,

1254
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,399
but I believe that the reason you were sent here

1255
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,000
today is because you have an attachment of suicide on you.

1256
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,680
And I said that you don't know. I said, it's

1257
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,199
not allowing you to scream for help. I said, so

1258
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:57,680
the only thing you could do subconsciously is to come

1259
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,399
to me, knowing you're the one that needs to help

1260
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,359
the most. Dude, when I say it was like an

1261
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,399
explosive tears, you could feel it breaks.

1262
01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: Just by you identifying it.

1263
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, in the atmosphere changed. She started bawling. She

1264
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,159
grabs her boyfriend's hand and she's leaning on him, just balling.

1265
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,359
I said, now we're going to deal with the entity.

1266
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,399
I said, who in your family committed suicide? Because I said,

1267
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:29,920
this is a familial attachment, she said, my grandfather killed

1268
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,239
himself in twenty fourteen. All right, that entity has attached

1269
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:38,239
itself to your family, and it thinks it has authority

1270
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,560
over you. I said, so what it's doing now is

1271
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,399
its laying on you. Now, it's claiming you. Why because

1272
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,079
it says this is I already had the other one.

1273
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:47,640
I've got I'm going to get you two. So it's

1274
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,399
very interesting in their psychology. But I employed what's called

1275
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:56,239
the cabalistic exorcistic right that Isaac lury at Tall. He

1276
01:09:56,319 --> 01:09:59,000
said that a lot of these entities when they manifest

1277
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:03,760
in people, especially as attachments, they will send very emotions

1278
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,199
into that individual like tentacles, not allowing them to think

1279
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:11,720
for themselves. And you're talking about how the neuroleak or

1280
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,520
the endplant is our emotions or whatever our trauma. Yeah,

1281
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,039
they would literally lay on top of the pain, on

1282
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:22,319
top of the trauma, and then they will send faults

1283
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:26,960
to that individual. I'm not good enough. I should take

1284
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,520
my own life. And then watch what happens if we

1285
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:36,319
catch that and we assign that authority. Boom. You know,

1286
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:38,840
my daddy always told me I wasn't worth it, and

1287
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,199
I agree with that spirit. Now that spirit's growing into you,

1288
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,760
so it gives you a fault to see if you

1289
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,560
agree with it, then it goes back and says, see,

1290
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,880
we are making a covenant and agreement here. Now watch

1291
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,039
this to the point where the entity is so much

1292
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:03,239
inside of the endae vidual that the individual cannot determine

1293
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:11,039
their thoughts from the entity's thoughts. Now it's thinking for them.

1294
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:13,800
It's deep stuff. So what I began to do is

1295
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,359
I began to give her a call. Like I guess,

1296
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:21,039
I gave her her authority back. I began to pull

1297
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:24,039
out the intentions of the sentity, the emotions that she's

1298
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:26,720
been feeling. And I said, I'm going to speak directly

1299
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,680
to the sentity, and I'm telling you, this is not

1300
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,479
a word of God for you. This is not what's

1301
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,359
being this is not the plan of God for you.

1302
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:36,640
You are worthy. And I told her, I said, I

1303
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,680
need you to say these words with me. These are

1304
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:44,079
not my faults. When I got done with that, dude,

1305
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:49,760
it was unbelievable. I saw her about six months later

1306
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,399
a completely different person. Her relationship with their boyfriend was healed,

1307
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,720
her life was heading in the right direction. But I

1308
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,920
think that's the cabalistic extorcistic right where it's not just

1309
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:07,880
holy water, and then displace the entity, creating a second victim,

1310
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:11,760
you know, but dealing with the emotions, giving them their

1311
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:17,039
autonomy back. And then now when there's authority there, now

1312
01:12:17,119 --> 01:12:19,520
you look at the entity and say you don't have authority, know,

1313
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,880
no more affority here, no none any longer. Right, because

1314
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,600
now she's saying you got to go.

1315
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: You're illegal, yes, legal ground authority is that? Listen, hey,

1316
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,880
she said we can be here. How what she came

1317
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,359
into legal contract with this? By this? This? This? How

1318
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:36,079
much time you got? How much time you got?

1319
01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: And give me? Give me tim more minutes? Man, my yeah,

1320
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:39,479
I just.

1321
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's run through these. Let's do a

1322
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,079
speed round. Uh so you got ten minutes, So I'm

1323
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:49,600
going ahead, watch down speed round of questions because I

1324
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,600
got a bunch for you now. Casting out those demons.

1325
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:56,000
It's not just simply identifying. There's many people who study

1326
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:58,800
to identify, but they don't have the authority. They don't have.

1327
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,279
They're not in bad, they're not they don't they don't

1328
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,800
know their authority right, they can identify it hints in

1329
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,199
the Bible, we got the biblical example of the seven

1330
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:11,560
Sons of Skiba, who they were like, hey, we we

1331
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,720
identify evil spirits less like these guys. And if you

1332
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,399
want to explain that story, not everybody knows, but kind

1333
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,680
of run through that of how they they couldn't do that?

1334
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I assure you, and then Jesus

1335
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,560
do Paul preach it. Yeah, Skiva means, mind reader, these

1336
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,239
were fakers, fakers, frauds people you know, and I'm not

1337
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,039
people who you know, you know, give me fifty bucks,

1338
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:37,760
I'll give you something, and you know, I'll give you

1339
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,119
a you know, this treating and it doesn't really you know,

1340
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:42,119
make any sense. It's not it's not really accurate, but

1341
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:43,720
you know whatever, that's what they thought. And so they

1342
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,680
thought that that that they could employ the same methods

1343
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,960
without knowing the man. Oh, it's a good teacher right here, right,

1344
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:56,159
I'm getting passionate man, you know, by Jesus whom Paul preach. Well,

1345
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:59,159
that's a method, Paul, you know what I mean. You've

1346
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,720
got the meeting, You've got to encountering. You can't just

1347
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,079
you know, throw a Bible at these things and they

1348
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:06,720
won't respect you. Jesus, I know, Paul and them who

1349
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,039
are you? And they beat them until they were naked.

1350
01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:17,439
I think it's funny, you know, they you know, there's

1351
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,199
a measure of respect amongst these empties. And it's just

1352
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:24,439
like and I know that this might be controversial, but

1353
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,640
there was an old drunkerd named AA Allen back in

1354
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,880
the day, and people said he was a fraud. He

1355
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,880
wasn't a fraud. A matter of fact, he had an

1356
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,119
alcohol problem. The man was legit. There was one uh,

1357
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:37,359
there was one money act that they had outside of

1358
01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:39,560
a tent. She was curled up in a ball in

1359
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,960
the back seat of a car and nobody could get

1360
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:44,119
that spirit out. He walked over to her in this

1361
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:47,720
documented I'm aa allen, He whispered in her ear, laid

1362
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:54,199
hands on her. Gone. So these entities the real recognize

1363
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:58,640
is the real Yeah but yeah, so so I don't

1364
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,920
even know where I was going with yeah, yeah, but

1365
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:01,199
well I would.

1366
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably had no light in them, like they

1367
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,560
had no light, which is that authority to speak to it?

1368
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,600
And what that light is, that's your devotional life, that

1369
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,479
is your alms that you're doing. And God takes notice

1370
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,600
of your arms, and there's rewards. One of the rewards

1371
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,560
is being able to speak to entities and they're removed.

1372
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,159
And so they didn't have no light that gave them

1373
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,359
the revelation of how to do it or even the

1374
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,520
ability to speak to such entities. So man, so good, bro,

1375
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,960
So much comes out of that. So many more questions.

1376
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,800
So I mentioned that. Another question for you, have you

1377
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:40,720
heard of tera trauma? Tumors, which was something that was

1378
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,119
really interesting for me to learn about concerning these spirits

1379
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:47,479
trying to possess people. Have you have you heard of

1380
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,760
that term? And okay, so simply and I got to

1381
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,560
you know, always I wrote about it in my book,

1382
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:54,920
but I got to give credit. I heard about it

1383
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,399
from Chris Everett. Chris Everard covered this in one of

1384
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:02,199
his Spirit World God documentaries, which really inspired me. But

1385
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,479
the te atoma tumor is these tumors that people are

1386
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,239
finding on them. They go and they have a mass

1387
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:10,600
and a big growth on their side, and they go

1388
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,760
to the doctor and there's eyeballs growing in it, there's

1389
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,760
teeth grow and there's faces growing in.

1390
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: It, all from alignant from alignant. Yeah.

1391
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: So it's almost like these entities that are in that

1392
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,319
person long enough and they want to they have a host,

1393
01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:28,479
but they want their own body and almost like trying

1394
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,359
to form their own body out of the person. Yeah.

1395
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:32,079
Really interesting.

1396
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's dive into that real quick, because again, possession

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plays such a major role in all of this. It's

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unreal so dealing with the entity that once it's an autonomy,

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doesn't want it just its own consciousness, but it wants

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its own self, right. Uh So, in the sixteenth century,

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in the d book phenomenon of the bibic phenomenon, possession

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begin to evolve and mutate. It as something that's profoundly

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,560
disturbing in my in my mind, Yeah, cases of women

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being a hosted in their dreams, right, the dream demons,

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01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:04,960
the entity that would manifests a former lover or a

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husband try to inseminate them. And I've had cases like

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this all across the world. So anyways, in the sixteenth century,

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these women would think that there was just a dream, right,

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it was just a dream. They would wake up the

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next day with handprints and bruises and scarfications to their body,

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and then they would become possessed by the entity that

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assaulted them. They would go to the exorcist and I

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am so and so and you know it was nine

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percent time with somebody that lived and died. Wasn't a

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good dude. Uh And then and then it mutated again.

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Now we're dealing with this, We're starting to point to

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the idea of them wanting to be autonomous, right, they

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want their own anatomy. It's not just their own consciousness.

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So then these individuals would become accosted by and then

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possessed by the antity that accosted them. Then they would

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become pregnant with the entity that possessed them so much

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so this is fascinating stuff right here, they would go

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to the extorssists, the extissists would see the entity curled

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up in their womb like a baby, which leads to

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what my point and some of my work lately has

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been that pregnancy to us is possession of them, and

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possession of them them is pregnancy to us. In other words,

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it's not just that they're possessing us, they're putting things

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in us to possess. Wow, this is why Genesis six matters.

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The most software inside the child, the child's hardware, software

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and the hardware. That's why they were born among us. Again,

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you had the giants, had the ref Yeah, this is

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I never made this distinction.

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Speaker 1: So we know that the giants. The word we get

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there is is heroes, the heroes of renown, right. And

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so there was these giants born on the earth, and

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there was these beings on the earth that were at

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war with the seed of the woman. So these are

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these are we call them reptilians. You call them whatever

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,399
you want. They have a lot of different names, right,

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and so we're on the earth with them, they're here

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with us, and so they were always at war with

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the children of Israel, which is us spiritually, antiquity whatever.

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But then I never made this connection until yesterday as

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doing my study Herod Herod. The word king Herod comes

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01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,279
from comes from hero the word the king. King Herod

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01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:27,479
is king of the Heroes, and he dealt with the

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01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,319
seed of the Woman as well. When he heard about

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01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:34,119
the Messiah that the stargazers followed the magi I followed

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01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,079
to welcome the birth of the Messiah, the one that

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would overthrow and break the bands of darkness that was

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on the earth. When Herod the Heroes like still from

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,159
that lineage, he found out he's got to do his

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01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:50,760
ancestors justice and kill all the children that was born

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,800
within this time span to try to kill the Messiah

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that would crush his head in the end.

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Speaker 2: You're right, we're dealing with it's almost like a spiritual bloodline.

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And I think again, way back during the beginning of

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the interview, we're talking about you know that what is

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that the same thing of you know yahweh in simonating

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marry and everything. Well, I would like to say it's

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01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,960
like this, okay, when you have an entity possessing people

1463
01:20:16,039 --> 01:20:18,079
like they did, like the necromancer, which he was a

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01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:25,239
necromancer in the gatherings he was, You're dealing with an

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01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,199
entity who is possessed. He's being worn like a garment

1466
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:31,720
and he's it's his skin, the itsut. He's looking them

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01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,760
through the eyes. You have a spirit that's almost being

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,720
made flesh now and then when your Shua gets up there,

1469
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this is amazing, okay. In the Old Testament, there's a

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prophecy that Yahweh refers to when he deals with necromancers.

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He says, in that day, I will come to you

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and I will number you. Oh my God, I'll number you.

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01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:58,560
You will bow down and worship me. Okay, you shoe

1474
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,039
us sandy footfall hits the beach and he's walking up

1475
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:05,680
and he sees this man who dwells in the tombs,

1476
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,880
and he asks them, what is your name? We are legion,

1477
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,680
we're many. What do you do? He just got numbered

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01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:18,199
m it's for Philly step this is what, Oh God,

1479
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,439
Martin Buber says, God speaks a word and steps into it.

1480
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,079
This is what he's doing right now. He numbers the

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01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:29,119
necro mancer, and the necromancer worships him.

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01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:33,319
Speaker 1: Every knee must bow and every must confess.

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01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: It was an absolute hit slap.

1484
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,399
Speaker 1: I gotta let you go. I gotta let you go.

1485
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:42,680
I know your bite for time, But what is your

1486
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:43,680
spiritual practice? Man?

1487
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 2: Like?

1488
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 1: How do you like you know this stuff? What is

1489
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,000
your connection with your shoe? What is your connection with

1490
01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:51,000
the light? What is your connection with God? How do

1491
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:53,600
you maintain clean hands and a pure heart?

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01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:58,520
Speaker 2: I study unction. I grew up Pentecostalism. The men that

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01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,439
I I wouldn't say worship, but I pretty much put

1494
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,640
on a pedestal where guys that ah that lived the

1495
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:11,720
life of humility before God. You know, they knew they're gifted.

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01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,600
They often were nomads. They lived with the profound loneliness.

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And I think that I identify with them in the

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sense that I was designed to be a deliverance minister.

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H So you know that's really my connection now with

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01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:27,680
respect to how do I get that sticky feeling off

1501
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,560
of me after I do cases that really feel like

1502
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,680
being watched. I watched Fraser Crane. Dude, that was not

1503
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,359
that much of a spiritual thing, man, But I watched

1504
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:40,640
Fraser cheers. I love like, yeah, I don't know, but

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01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,800
you know that's my kind of spiritual practice.

1506
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,239
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's no really no no prayer, no devotion,

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01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,760
no fasting. Like you've done that. You've kind of prepared

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01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:48,520
yourself already.

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and I preserved. I preserved

1510
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,680
that sensitivity too, which is something that takes, uh, you know,

1511
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,600
it takes a lot of practice. But you have to

1512
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,359
be a out. You have to allow yourself to be

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01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:02,760
alone without being lonely.

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01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:09,319
Speaker 1: Because you never are once you understand that, because you're

1515
01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:12,479
not watching Phraser by yourself anymore, you know what I'm saying,

1516
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,800
entertaining angels and God and Christ and all the beings,

1517
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,520
the demons even too, they're watching with you. So we're

1518
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:20,960
navigating and wading through this.

1519
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:21,279
Speaker 2: Bro.

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01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,079
Speaker 1: There's so much more that we can go into, and

1521
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:26,359
I want to go into. This subject is near and

1522
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:28,800
did in my heart. And the way that you approach

1523
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,520
it as being open and being a student of antiquity

1524
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,199
and of the scriptures. Bro, it's right up my alley, man.

1525
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:38,840
I really enjoy anything you brought to the table. Listen,

1526
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,159
we didn't even get to go into you know, demons,

1527
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,119
getting access through movies and portals and the television. So deep.

1528
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,119
But hey, let people know where they can go to

1529
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,239
purchase your books, book a session with you, find out

1530
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:56,600
more about your work and your interviews, all that cool stuff. Bro.

1531
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: Man, I used to have a website and getting it

1532
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,640
professionally redone, I don't I don't know if I want

1533
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,319
to have a website. Man, I'm already on social media,

1534
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:05,560
so until I get that done, I don't want to

1535
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,119
share it with you guys anyway. So it's I'm on Instagram, YouTube,

1536
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:14,039
and Facebook. On all of those sites. I'm Nathaniel J. Gillis.

1537
01:24:15,079 --> 01:24:16,960
I just started up my YouTube channel. Man, I went

1538
01:24:17,079 --> 01:24:20,439
from two hundred subscribers to six hundred in the last

1539
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,359
three days and they're going to go up more now,

1540
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,960
so I hope. So, man, I'm excited. People need to

1541
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,800
hear this research and at least get a different perspective

1542
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,800
of it. But you know, yeah, man, that's how to

1543
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,119
get a hold of me. And I do counseling sessions.

1544
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:37,680
I'm busy, Like I get real busy sometimes and so

1545
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,600
it takes me a long time to get back to people.

1546
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,279
But I try to get back to people as soon

1547
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:42,520
as I can for.

1548
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: Sure, for sure, Bro, thanks for coming on really quick.

1549
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,119
Last thing, just leave us with leave us with a

1550
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:49,560
really quick list as much as you can think of

1551
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,760
of the different beings that are on the dark side

1552
01:24:54,359 --> 01:24:58,079
encountering mankind. Is it just demons? Is there names? There's levels,

1553
01:24:58,159 --> 01:24:58,680
dimensions and.

1554
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 2: Call them moltors. I call them moults that are made

1555
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,000
of the same substance but do not have the same status.

1556
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:07,079
Speaker 1: That's good.

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01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 2: That's a little hook, right, that's a little hook because

1558
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,359
I want to come back and do now.

1559
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: No, we are we do it. Listen, I'm open. I

1560
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:15,560
do this for a living bro, and I know you

1561
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,800
do too, So let's let's make it happen. Really resonated

1562
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,319
with you, man, Thank you so much for coming on.

1563
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:21,079
Man means the world.

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01:25:21,119 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 2: Thank you, God, bless you brother.

1565
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,239
Speaker 1: You have a good night, you too, many blessings, ladies

1566
01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:32,239
and gentlemen. Make sure you go follow his page, Nathaniel J. Gillis.

1567
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,039
Make sure you do it. And actually I say make

1568
01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:38,520
sure you do it because you probably won't. Let's do

1569
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,920
it together, can we do it together? I'm going to

1570
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,159
try to share my screen and this is this is

1571
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:48,720
my screen, and so let's just go to YouTube right now.

1572
01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:51,199
He just started a YouTube channel, and those of you

1573
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:54,560
who are listening on the podcasting apps, if you're driving,

1574
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,600
I just ask you to pull over and let's go

1575
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,039
subscribe to his channel right now as an act of

1576
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:03,119
faith and support and just a way of saying thank

1577
01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:06,239
you for coming on and sharing that information. So let's

1578
01:26:06,279 --> 01:26:12,680
go to YouTube Nathaniel Jay Gillius. Everyone type that in

1579
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,560
did you type it in? Awesome? Dre he is, there's

1580
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,600
this beautiful face. Six hundred and five subscribers. Let's let's

1581
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,439
let him know that we appreciate him. Let's subscribe and

1582
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,319
show him some love. And I hope to refresh this

1583
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,159
here in a little while and we see that number

1584
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,439
go up just because of the people who are already

1585
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,199
on YouTube and the people who are already listening to this.

1586
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:33,600
And by the end of the week, that number is

1587
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,680
going to go up. I'm going to repost this channel.

1588
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,479
I'm going to repost his page and listen like attracts

1589
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,920
like guys. And there's a reason for that, right, And

1590
01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:47,640
I really resonated with him on a level vibrationally right

1591
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,439
as far as what he's been through and what he's

1592
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,000
bringing to the table and it was amazing. I love

1593
01:26:52,079 --> 01:26:53,880
it so and I know that you guys would love it.

1594
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,720
You guys are sticking around for something, so I know

1595
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,079
that you felt the same way. Show him some love,

1596
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:03,680
subscribe like videos, bias, book, all that cool stuff again

1597
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,960
like attracts like I, me and him. There's a there's

1598
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:14,840
a level of vibration, vibrational frequency that wants I'm sorry,

1599
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:20,880
I'm trying to make this. It wants balance, vibrational frequencies

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01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,520
want balance. We want to meet, We want to find

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01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,640
other versions of ourselves. I mean, that's the whole deal

1602
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:28,760
with the narcissist. Where it can it can it come

1603
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:29,399
back to bite you?

1604
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:30,239
Speaker 2: Is you? You?

1605
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: You only want to hang around people that look like you.

1606
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:37,800
You get enamored with your own beauty and it can

1607
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,079
and there so there are some sides to this that

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01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:44,520
can that can be used for darkness quick but being

1609
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,760
able to resonate with somebody, It's about resonance. We we

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01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,039
discussed this the other day and it was another fresh

1611
01:27:52,079 --> 01:27:54,600
revelation for me, which when we were talking about the

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01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,199
different UH levels that that people may have, whether it's

1613
01:27:58,279 --> 01:28:00,720
morally like we may connect on a moral level, but

1614
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,159
we don't connect on a spiritual level. We may connect

1615
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:05,760
on a spiritual level, but your moral standards are way

1616
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,199
too low. You're using it for nefarious gains. Right, So

1617
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,279
things are about balance, and when you find somebody that

1618
01:28:12,359 --> 01:28:16,880
you resonate with, you try to find balance. And the

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01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,439
reason I bring it up because I thought that the

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01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,960
way spirit works in a way balance works and having

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01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:25,640
uneven scales. The Bible says do not have uneven scales,

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01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,600
and it goes into a lot of detail about that.

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01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,680
So these these uneven scales is about finding balance and

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01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:38,159
finding resonance in the vibrational frequency and like attracting. Like

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01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,880
for us man, he likes the things I like. We

1626
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,199
can talk, we can listen. There's things I could talk

1627
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,279
to him about that I couldn't talk about last the

1628
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:48,920
last podcast and the next podcast, it's going to be

1629
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,520
the same thing. But I'm gonna find resonance with those people.

1630
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,039
I'm gonna find something that oh wow, but you do

1631
01:28:55,359 --> 01:28:58,520
like this, Okay, boom, let's go let's go down this

1632
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,319
path of spiritualisten and let's go down this path of

1633
01:29:02,279 --> 01:29:04,960
UFO abduction. Let's go down the path of fasting and

1634
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,039
the power thereof right. So there's a lot of different

1635
01:29:07,039 --> 01:29:10,720
subjects that we find we find resonance with and what

1636
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,199
the Bible talks about that Paul gives you a nugget

1637
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:19,560
when he says when he says that you become all

1638
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:25,119
things to all men so that you can win some

1639
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,479
you're finding resonance with that person. You're finding common ground.

1640
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,359
I remember on the job site years ago, the only

1641
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:36,079
thing that I could talk about with people was the

1642
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:38,640
football game. And I didn't even like watch football. I

1643
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,520
did when I was a kid, But i'd look at

1644
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,720
the scores and see somebody who won, and I would go.

1645
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,119
We'd get at work and hey, man, how about them cowboys?

1646
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:46,920
Oh man, they had a good game. You know, you

1647
01:29:47,039 --> 01:29:50,000
got to find common ground with individuals. And that's really

1648
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:56,520
what it's about, finding common ground with people and not

1649
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,800
just finding resonance with people. That's how you we heard

1650
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:08,640
the term your vibe attracts your tribe literally people, Well,

1651
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,039
we don't fight with flesh and blood. This is a

1652
01:30:13,159 --> 01:30:17,199
battle and a journey of powers and principalities in the

1653
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:20,319
realms of the spirit. We're not people. We're not these

1654
01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:24,760
flesh shoots. We are spirits that have a body. We

1655
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:30,159
are those spirits that now possess a body. And so

1656
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,720
when it comes to vibration and resonance, we look for like,

1657
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,199
attracts like, and we pull people up to our level.

1658
01:30:36,399 --> 01:30:39,479
We don't want to be imbalanced. The Bible says, do

1659
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:44,039
not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. A yoke is

1660
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:49,239
a It was a contraption that is used to have

1661
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:54,680
two oxen walking together in line, and they have to

1662
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,520
walk at the same speed and in the same direction.

1663
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,319
You point them in the same direction, and they're yoked together,

1664
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:02,520
and they're going to go in that direction. Do not

1665
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:08,479
be unequally yoked with people with spirits. Make sure that

1666
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:10,640
we have the end goal in mind, because if we're

1667
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,319
walking on this path, if you deviate a little bit,

1668
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:15,439
you're gonna end up in a place you weren't ready

1669
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,000
to go because you're unequally yoked with the spirits or

1670
01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:23,079
with the person. And so make sure you're not unequally yoked.

1671
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:28,600
And that's wisdom, because it is about resonance finding balance.

1672
01:31:29,039 --> 01:31:33,319
If you become imbalanced, if you become unbalanced, then two

1673
01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:37,399
things have to happen. You step up to that person's level, vibrationally,

1674
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,680
or you have to step down and go to where

1675
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:44,319
they are. Thank God for Jesus, because he is the

1676
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,760
story of God. Stepping down to our level and speaking

1677
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,119
to us. God said, you know what I'm gonna You

1678
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,800
know there's I gave him a chance. They messed up.

1679
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,680
They didn't understand what I was saying. Let me go

1680
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,159
down there and become one of them. Let me step

1681
01:31:59,279 --> 01:32:01,840
down into the darkness and become one of them, so

1682
01:32:02,079 --> 01:32:04,680
that I can bring them up and raise them like

1683
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,640
I have raised, like I'm going to raise Christ like

1684
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,399
I've I've already raised Christ from the found before the

1685
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,560
foundations of the earth, his story that is written of

1686
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,119
in the stars. This is going to become their story.

1687
01:32:17,239 --> 01:32:20,079
Let me step down so I can bring them up

1688
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:24,159
to my level, so they can ascend, so that they

1689
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:29,880
can be righteous, so that they can alchemize their darkness,

1690
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:34,159
so that they can be houses for the great Spirit,

1691
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,840
not lesser spirits, not fallen spirits, not deceptive spirits, but

1692
01:32:39,039 --> 01:32:42,399
for the Spirit of God. Know ye not that you

1693
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,439
are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God

1694
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,600
resides within you. You are a home. You are a

1695
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:55,640
house for spirits, and that house has to be filled

1696
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,680
with the Holy Spirit, and not the spirit of anger,

1697
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:03,359
not the spirit of rage, not the spirit of manipulation,

1698
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,600
not the spirit of witchcraft, but the holy, beautiful, sacred

1699
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:11,479
set apart spirit. Open up more of yourself, open up

1700
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,000
more of your heart to let that spirit come in

1701
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:17,399
and possess you. The Holy Spirit wants to possess you.

1702
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,439
It is about resonance. So we thank God that we

1703
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,399
are able to step up to his level. He showed

1704
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:27,479
us how to do it by following his example showing

1705
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,960
love and moving from animal to divine nature. We have

1706
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:34,600
both natures within us. But this is a test this

1707
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,399
place as a school to ascend, to take it to

1708
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,239
that next level, going back to resonance, to be able

1709
01:33:41,279 --> 01:33:45,479
to step up because and maintain balance. The narrow path

1710
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,800
is about balance. It's not veering too far to the

1711
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,119
right or to the left. It's in the middle. It's

1712
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:52,760
not up and down. It's not left to right. It

1713
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:57,199
is maintaining Now we journey both sides. We journey left

1714
01:33:57,239 --> 01:33:59,960
and right, we go up and down. There's yin and yane.

1715
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,800
That's duality, and that's part of this game. But it's

1716
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:08,600
about maintaining resonance in the middle balance. So again, spirits,

1717
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:16,279
we're spirits. We talked about falling spirits, demonic spirits, possessive spirits,

1718
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:22,800
angry spirits, right essences, ideas right, so we can if

1719
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,760
you look at them as living entities, if you look

1720
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:27,600
at them of just ideas or the thought life of

1721
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,159
a person in the way that they think. If you

1722
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:33,920
want to make it less spiritual, because it is psychological,

1723
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,880
for sure, they're tied together. It's there's several level. There's

1724
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:42,840
four levels of this. It is literal, we read it literally,

1725
01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:47,199
but it is allegorical, it is spiritual, and it is metaphysical,

1726
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,520
and it is astrological as well. It's going on in

1727
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,920
all of these places. And the key is to bring

1728
01:34:56,479 --> 01:35:04,800
about harmony, balance, to be at peace with God, to

1729
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:13,359
be content. That's to be balanced because godliness with contentment

1730
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,800
is great gain. Find peace with yourself. In order to

1731
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,279
do that, you got to find peace with God. And

1732
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,560
finding peace with God. On that journey, you're going to

1733
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,159
find peace with your enemies. You're going to find peace

1734
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:28,760
with all the spirits around you. You may even salute them, Hey,

1735
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,479
I see what you're doing, but not me, not my family.

1736
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:34,760
You'll be at peace. You won't be at war with yourself.

1737
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,960
And so many people who are at war, so many Christians,

1738
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,520
so many believers who are at war. Then we look

1739
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,439
at the Muslims of some Jewish people or Hindu people

1740
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:47,079
who are at perfect peace with themselves and with their families,

1741
01:35:47,159 --> 01:35:51,560
with all the beings and animals. They're at peace. They

1742
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:56,960
found peace, they found resonance with those beings. It is

1743
01:35:57,039 --> 01:35:59,640
part of the sovereignty plan, is part of the ecosystem

1744
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:03,840
of in the way things work. We're in and out

1745
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,880
of that daily. It's inside of us, it's on us,

1746
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,439
it's above us, it's below us. Everything is mirrored, it

1747
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:15,279
is written, it is living, it is vibration, it is

1748
01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:21,199
the sound of heaven. So those spirits want you to

1749
01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:24,600
come down to their level. They don't want to upgrade.

1750
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,640
They don't want to forgive. They don't want to forget.

1751
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,439
They don't want to you know, I got friends who

1752
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,479
try to turn bad spirits into good spirits and stuff

1753
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,800
like that, and try to show them their true identity

1754
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:41,359
and stuff like No, that's what they were created to do.

1755
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,359
And they want you on their level. They want to

1756
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:50,319
bring you down. And if those beings are real, if

1757
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:53,159
those ideas are real. Chris Garner. I see you, I

1758
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:57,359
see your I see your your comment, and I'm with

1759
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:02,880
you one a thousand percent. It's metaphysical, it is spiritual,

1760
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:07,840
but it is going on in Gugatha, the place of

1761
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:12,600
the skull, and internally we see the throne of Heaven

1762
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,720
is a place where God dwells outside of us. But

1763
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,039
Scripture says that God dwells in our hearts and he's

1764
01:37:17,079 --> 01:37:19,800
within us. So it's a mirror. It's as above, so below,

1765
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:24,079
as within so without. There's many ways to break it down.

1766
01:37:24,199 --> 01:37:26,840
So yeah, it can be broke down in the terms

1767
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,039
of psychology and unlocked. So much that you've come into

1768
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:34,159
agreement with these spirits, you've given them legal ground. Okay,

1769
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,960
if you don't agree with the spirits, it's an idea.

1770
01:37:39,279 --> 01:37:42,960
And once you learn truth, once you learn the truth

1771
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,520
about yourself, about God, about how much you're loved, about

1772
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:52,279
who you are, those demons are cast out out of

1773
01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:54,760
your mind. They have no more legal ground to be there.

1774
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,039
If you think, if you think you don't deserve love,

1775
01:38:00,079 --> 01:38:02,039
you think you don't deserve money. Let's go with money.

1776
01:38:02,079 --> 01:38:03,600
I know a lot of people who think they don't

1777
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,760
deserve it. I come from a poor family. I thought

1778
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,199
that rich people were snobby. There was a lot of

1779
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:11,640
stuff that I that I associated with money that was ungodly.

1780
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,600
It wasn't real. Guess where it was real at? It

1781
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,079
was real only in here. It was my reality. It

1782
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:20,399
was the way that I viewed world, the world. It

1783
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,760
was the light that was that was within me. Because

1784
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:24,600
light has to come in through your eyes and it

1785
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,920
also comes out of your eyes. And that light that

1786
01:38:27,039 --> 01:38:29,479
is within you in that error, in that area, which

1787
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:35,159
is illumination, allows me to see into into to make

1788
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:38,119
an assessment and to put a name on it and

1789
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:43,640
declare it. Put it in a folder rich people or snobs. Hey,

1790
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:47,159
so and so I owned this company. Okay, cool, Hey

1791
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:49,119
I'm pastor so and so. Man, I want you to

1792
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:53,720
come to youth. Okay, Christians are this Okay? Is that truth?

1793
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:59,359
It's my truth at that moment until I'm illuminated, until

1794
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:03,000
light comes in and that ungodly belief, that demon that

1795
01:39:03,159 --> 01:39:08,000
is robbing me from making new connections from beautiful friendships

1796
01:39:08,039 --> 01:39:10,319
for people who want to help me out financially, people

1797
01:39:10,359 --> 01:39:12,520
who want to partner with me and donate. Now, keep

1798
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,800
your money, man By needs your money. Hold on like

1799
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,600
these people are like just good people. They want to help.

1800
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,520
It's their normal, Like their plumb line is money. They

1801
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,960
come from that family. But it's something within me that

1802
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:26,640
has to come. It has to get out of me

1803
01:39:27,039 --> 01:39:29,159
in order me to go to the next level. You

1804
01:39:29,239 --> 01:39:31,560
got to deal with your demons, and dealing with your

1805
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,359
demons is dealing with your thought life because you have

1806
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:38,239
made legal contract for those thoughts to take resonance in

1807
01:39:38,279 --> 01:39:43,560
your mind. So this conversation is totally interchangeable. It is psychological,

1808
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:48,119
it is spiritual, it is astrological, it's all of it.

1809
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:55,399
It is going on internally, it's on atomical. Richie, did

1810
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:59,279
I say that right? Atomical? You're anatomy? Is that the

1811
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:00,479
the realm?

1812
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 2: Anatomical?

1813
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Anatomical? Look, that's what the riches. You don't know even here. Listen,

1814
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,560
it is all of those things. There are different realms,

1815
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,680
and we got to master each one, and we journey

1816
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,880
through each one to get revelational on how to defeat

1817
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:20,479
the other. So some people, especially Christians, can only only

1818
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,039
deal with the thought life and deal with those those

1819
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:26,439
demons unless they give them a name. They got to

1820
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,640
give them a name because it makes it real. Because

1821
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:33,119
we've given everything else a name. We've created a folder

1822
01:40:33,239 --> 01:40:36,560
that has a name on it. Rich people are this,

1823
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:41,880
White people are racist. Black people want to fight me.

1824
01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:51,520
Poor people are this. The light is fire and all

1825
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,960
of that, all of those fake phony, they're not. None

1826
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,479
of that's real. You have to bring that to the light,

1827
01:41:00,399 --> 01:41:04,560
live in the light, and let God destroy it and

1828
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,560
purify it. Because we do not see things as they are.

1829
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:15,520
We see things as we are. Allow your mind to

1830
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:20,199
be retaught. Listen, guys, that's what repentance means, is to

1831
01:41:20,279 --> 01:41:23,000
have a change of mind. Listen. I was man, I

1832
01:41:23,079 --> 01:41:25,479
thought it was this, but it's really that. I thought

1833
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,920
religion was this. I thought God was that. I thought

1834
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:30,119
so and so was this. I thought the pastor was

1835
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:33,000
a good guy. Wow, he's really this. Right to be

1836
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:38,439
re taught and reformed, not for the lower nature, not

1837
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:42,199
for the negative, not to the woe is me, but

1838
01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:48,840
to prophesy, to see the good in people, to see

1839
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:54,359
the light in people, not to see them. According to Well,

1840
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,680
I went to an all black school and we got

1841
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,560
beat up by black people. Like every day we had

1842
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,000
to fight black people. They would hold the doors closed

1843
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,279
and let us out of the rooms. They would you know,

1844
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,159
fight me and all my white friends. Listen, we were

1845
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:10,359
like the only white people I have a relationship is

1846
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:11,319
that all black people?

1847
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 2: Heck?

1848
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: No same thing. Then I didn't learn that until I

1849
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,439
dealt with white people who wanted to fight me too.

1850
01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:19,960
All the rednecks wanted to fight me. So now I

1851
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,239
gotta fight the rednecks and the blacks. Like who am

1852
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:25,680
I with? Like you know, and so you deal with

1853
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:30,760
all men equally according to their deeds. Don't judge anything

1854
01:42:32,319 --> 01:42:35,319
or anyone before it's a point in time. Deal with

1855
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:40,479
all people righteously. Judge their fruit. Judge their fruit, because

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all you gotta do is hang around it long enough

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and you'll be able to partake, and you'll say, you

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know what, I want more of this in my life.

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I want more of this sustenance. I want more of

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this fruit. What is the fruit?

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Speaker 2: Love?

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Speaker 1: Kindness, patience first? Just other people? And I used to

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be that friend back in the day. Like why every

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time I hang around you you want to go get drugs?

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Why every time I hang around you you want to drink?

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Why every time I hang around you you want to

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gossip and talk about people? Y'all know those people in

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your life you have them. You may be that person

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to some degree. Why you always want to be deep

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and talk about spiritual stuff. Why you just can't be

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a regular person and take a walk. You know. It's

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the folders and stuff that we put people in and

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we judge them and we categorize them, and they become

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that in our realm, that's not who they are we projected.

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Prophesying is being able to see the good in them,

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to be able to see the best and to call

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that out and to name them that something that they're

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not yet, to be able to see that light that

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is within them. Everyone has it, and that light may

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be just a little spark. Some people, it's a wildfire.

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They caught the right wind, the right person walked by them,

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Jesus or Paul or Peter or somebody like that was

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in their path in their life, and blue upon that

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divine spark, and now they're on fire and their life

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has been changed. Listen, meet twenty years ago. You know,

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over twenty years ago, I was just in the right

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place at the right time, and somebody saw potential in me.

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Somebody spoke to that flame within me, and it turned

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into a wildfire. Twenty years ago, and I've never been

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the same. Since we have that ability, we have that

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power to speak to the things that are not as

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though they were. And yeah, it is spiritual, but make

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it normal, don't make it weird.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Let it evolve out of regular conversation with people. And

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that's just who you are. You're an encourager, You're an uplifter.

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You help people. People can open up to you and

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share their problems and you won't go gossip about them.

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You want more light. Do those things what you read

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in the Bible, and you read the story in life

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of Jesus what he did. Do it and you will

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become light. It is spiritual. You're literally eating light in

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your body. It is in philosophical, it is in your mind.

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Because yes, the stinking thinking is making its way out,

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and you have new thoughts about rich people, you have

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new thoughts about black people, new thoughts about this, about that.

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It's not into it until that changes. You have to

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give your brain a bath. Win every day. Do it

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every day, every day if you got any because these

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starts are hurting you. They're not even hurting that person.

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That person don't even know that you're you think that

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way unless you tell them, unless you throw shade at

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them when they're around, or comment on their Facebook anytime

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they post something witty like check yourself, examine yourself to

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make sure that you are in good faith. So I

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hope that helps you. Guys. I really enjoy this episode.

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This stuff is really deep, It is really spiritual. It

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is allegorical. There are names to these things. There is

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They can person a, it can personify itself as physical

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entities in this realm for sure. You know which is wizards, necromancers.

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Those dudes are real like beings, you know, travel from

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other realms and show up in the physical for sure,

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that totally happens. But they have to come pass through

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the spiritual portal first. What they are, they what they do,

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their tributes, and it gets really deep, and we are

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dedicated to exploring that I've given my life to this.

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If you read my bio, if you read my book,

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I let it be known that I've given my life

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to the study of the spirit world. And in my

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studies it has led me to see that it is

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not just spirit. The word spirit or spiritual in the

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Bible is ethereal. It is the etheric realm. It is

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beings that exist in those realms and we exist in

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those realms too, we just don't know it. We're seated

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with Christ Jesus in heavenly places right now in the heavens,

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in the stars. Maybe maybe maybe we have a star

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that is governing, that is guiding. I ain't gonna I

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ain't gonna listen. I'm dropping too much. We're gonna break

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this stuff down in the upcoming weeks. With that being said,

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thank you guys for hanging out again. Make sure you

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check out my Patreon and all the cool stuff I'm

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bringing there. If you want to support what I'm doing,

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that's the best way to support. You can donate to

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the ministry, you can share, you can do all those things.

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Everything helps, every little bit helps. And so I'm making

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my meditations free. So for those of you who have

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not heard the Throne Room Meditation, if you have not

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heard the Encountering Jesus, or there's so many the Heavenly Father,

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Earthly Mother Encounter which there's voice actors and there's sounds

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and experiences and all of that, make sure you go

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check that out. And I'm making it free. And it

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does call money to make like I had to hire

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voice actors. I had to hire sound people to do

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sound effects and all of those kind of things, and

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I want to continue to do it. I have so

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many ideas. In the way that I'm able to continue

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to do that and to make it free is when

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people give and donating things, just like my friend Renee

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when you heard that ding she just donated through super Chat.

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Thank you, Renee for believing in the work. And so

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those the little helps the many. The people who step

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out in to help, even if it's you know, on

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a monthly basis of five dollars or whatever you can

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do a month, it really helps. And I'm gonna I'm

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gonna try to start. There's a lot of things behind

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paywalls and people people do help and people do support,

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and so I want to be able to keep doing

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it to better take it to the next level, so

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much more. In mind that you guys don't even know.

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I'm excited about it, but I'm gonna make those free.

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You can go to Truthseeker dot com and click on

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meditations and check those out. I've been promoting them. It

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has been a source of income for me for you

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years now, and so me stepping away from that and

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making it free, I am going to be relying on

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on on donations. And but for those of you who

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don't who aren't able to give, listen, download it as

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as much as you want, tell everybody about it, and

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and uh yeah, but uh support share this If you

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can't donate, share this video out with that, I'm gonna

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say peace and shalom, will do it again very soon.

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Piece peace Joe, so much, so much, so much.

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Speaker 2: So much.

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Speaker 1: Well, that does it for this episode. Folks.

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Speaker 2: To hear more episodes of The Truth Seca podcast, head

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