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your support. So another murder along the light rail. But

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the Charlotte Area Transit system wants everybody to know that

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this did not occur on Kat's property. Okay, it did

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not occur at the Archdale station platform. It did not

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occur on the Charlotte light rail line. It occurred under

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underneath the light of course. I mean, just looking at

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the video. I used to live down there years ago

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in this area, long before there was a light rail line.

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But the rail line goes up and over the road,

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and so the video that I saw was underneath like

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that overpass. So the train track is up above, and

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the homicide occurred down at the street level. It occurred

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in the wee hours of six thirty pm. So like

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rush hour commuting time, basically when people would be riding

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the light rail, which is not where the homicide occurred.

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The Charlotte Mecklaburg Police Department said they responded to an

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assault with the deadly weapon called just after six thirty

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pm on the sixty one hundred block of South Boulevard.

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At the scene, they found a person near the train

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tracks with a gunshot wound. That person was taken to

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an area hospital, where they later died. CMPD said a

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preliminary investigation indicates that the alter case happened at a

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nearby business, but no additional details have been made available

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at this time. Also, the other day, this was last week,

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when there was a one man crime spree that occurred

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in that started up in north West Charlotte and then

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ended in West Charlotte about a block from the radio

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station here. I think it occurred on Friday maybe and

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at like three o'clock in the afternoon it ended. It

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started with a double well now it's a double murder,

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and then the suspect did a home invasion, kidnapped a woman,

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threw her in her car, stole her car, was driving

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it around, fled from police, shooting at police from the

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car crashed, The car ran shot at the cops again

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and the cops returned fire and put the maniac down.

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One of the two initial victims that was shot, one

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was killed at the scene. The other was taken to

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the hospital, but he has now passed away and so

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our condolences to his family and friends. His name was

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Shabbaz Messiah Grant, thirty four year old father of four

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with another child on the way, and he was driving

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for lift when he was shot twice on Hoskins Road

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that caused him to crash into a house. A passenger

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in his vehicle returned fire. There was somebody so he

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had a passenger in the lift vehicle who opened fire

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on the suspect and then provided aid to Shabaz Grant

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until emergency responders arrived. This is according to story WSOCTV

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by Jonathan Lowe. Grant was eventually taken to a hospital

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where he succumbed to his injuries. Sunday, the suspect, Joseph Andrade,

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allegedly stole a car, crashed into a house, kidnapped a woman,

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led police on a high speed chase before a shootout

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near Pinky's West Side Grill resulted in his death, Andrade

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is twenty eight years old. He is from Ocala, Florida.

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Had a criminal record with at least four arrests in

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Marion County, Florida, mostly for traffic related charges. There's no

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understanding yet at least publicly disclosed about the motive behind

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why he did what he did the other day. But

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at least he did us all the favor of not

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having to go through a trial, which brings us to

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one of the I would submit one of the causes

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of the crime wave that we are seeing in the

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lack of prosecution. There are multiple facets to this issue.

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I've been covering this, you know, for the last gosh,

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I don't know year. Well, I mean the issue of

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crime in general, for most of, if not all, of

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my career, because as a reporter, you get sent out

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to cover crime stories, and so when you go out

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and cover the crime stories, you're talking to victims, families,

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You're going to court. I've sat through trials and such

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over the years, and as a you know, government beat reporter,

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you cover a lot of the policies that lawmakers try

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to craft in order to address some of these problems

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or to quote unquote reform criminal justice, and of course

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we saw a lot of this in the wake of

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the twenty twenty summer of fiery but mostly peaceful riots

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and this you know, quote unquote racial reckoning that was occurring.

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Whatever that meant, it was never really clear what that meant.

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But you know, the Ferguson effect, and we're going to

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you know, we're going to lighten some of these sentences

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and we're going to take a restorative justice approach. And

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the MacArthur Foundation and all of their funding they've been

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pumping into criminal court systems in North Carolina, Mecklemberg County

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for one, like over three million dollars over the years

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recent years, like over the last six years they've they've

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poured in and what they buy for that trainings, you know,

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they do trainings for court staff, magistrates, you know, court

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officials and stuff, you know, and they're they're pitching everything

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through the quote, you know, le equity lens and what

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does that mean. Well, now you're getting into disparate outcomes, like, oh, well,

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we see you know, this high proportion of you know,

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people who are incarcerated who are black or Hispanic, although

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that's an ethnicity, not a race, And so now it's

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coming to light that the coding in a lot of

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jail systems has been coding Hispanics as whites, which might

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maybe skew some of the data. I think maybe not sure,

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but I think it might. If you're coding all Hispanic

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offenders has white offenders, I think that might have an

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impact on some of the data. But that's a different topic.

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One of the other issues that we have seen is

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this surge in youth offense, right youth offenders that are

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constantly being released, sometimes most times, you know, not even

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getting any kind of punishment. They're just released back to

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their parent or guardian who's doing a terrible job as

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a parent or guardian because their kid has a rap

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sheet you know, longer than the life they have lived

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so far. And so the cause of this, I would submit,

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is the raise the age laws. And North Carolina did this,

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and it was the Republican General Assembly that did it,

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and Roy Cooper signed it into law. Now the legislature

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has gone back and toughened some of the law to

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make some of the more egregious offenses now you know,

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classify or push these juvenile offenders into an adult category

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to allow them to be tried as an adult because

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they just took everything down for like sixteen seventeen year

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olds and just you know, you know, you're a juvenile.

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So there was a piece by the editorial board at

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the New York Post the other and this is through

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the lens of their you know, mayoral election. But they

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are dealing with the same problem that Charlotte is and

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every urban you know, blue city run jurisdiction is dealing

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with these raise the age offenders, a generation of kids

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who have become career criminals before they are even eligible

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to vote. And there's no coming back from that, right

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you rack up two three dozen charges as a juvenile

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quote reform is not actually keeping kids out of jail.

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What it's actually doing, according to the editors at The

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New York Post, with whom I agree, what it's actually

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doing is creating more teenage criminals, more teen victims, and

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that means more futures ruined by crime, not saved from it.

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That is exactly right, because you've got this massive increase

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in the number of teenage victims, a ninety six percent

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increase in victims under the age of eighteen who have

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been shot, and you've got this even larger increase in

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the number of shooters, one hundred and forty eight percent

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increase in teen shooters and that comes as overall shootings

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have declined. And again, this is in New York State

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or New York City, I believe, uh, I believe it's

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New York City. But they adopted this Raise the Age

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reform seven years, six years ago, way before North Carolina did.

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North Carolina has already had to go back and edit

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their law in order to boost some of these sentences

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and say, Okay, we're going to take these crime categories

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out of the Raise the Age and move them into

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the category where you can be tried as an adult.

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They go on to say teenagers are impulsive and make

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bad decisions. I have heard this, by the way, about teenagers.

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I mean I never did. I was never impulsive, I

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never made bad decisions as a teenager. But I have

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heard that. It's it's pretty well known. So it's up

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to adults to show them what behavior society will not

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accept and will accept. Right teens, kids, even adults, we

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all need guardrails. And I'm not saying, you know, legislate morality,

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not saying that, but if you accept certain behaviors in

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your society, you will get more of it because you've

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told people it's acceptable. And if you tell them this

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is not acceptable, and we will punish you severely because

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it is not acceptable, then you will get less of

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that thing. Now I understand, Like, what about the war

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on drugs? I understand that, But what has happened? And look,

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as a lowercase libertarian, I have argued for the decriminalization

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of marijuana for years. I understand you drive, you drive

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the market underground. However, I'm not going to sit here

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and tell you that the decriminalization has led to less usage.

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That hasn't happened. It's the opposite, More people use it

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because it's legalized. The point there was that there was

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a black market, which then, of course has massive criminal

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incentives around it. Intervening in the life of a wayward

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kid with real punishment early on teaches him to stay

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away from law breaking and discourages making a life's style

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out of victimizing others. Right, It also destroys the fabric

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of your society, allowing teenagers to run wild in the streets,

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attacking people, murdering people, vandalizing things, you know, robbing stores

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and such, without any kind of repercussions. Any kind of

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penalties teaches them that they can continue to do it,

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and it teaches the society that you don't want to

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be anywhere around this kind of lack of enforcement, and

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people will leave, businesses will close. You destroy the high

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trust society that you are enjoying. Like this is civilizational stuff.

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I keep coming back to the hierarchy of needs on

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this thing, Like fundamental to any functioning civil society is

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an expectation of security. And if you cannot provide that,

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then there is no re and for free citizens to

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engage in the social contract. I would not. Why would I?

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Why would I go down and spend money in an

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area where I'm taking my life into my hands? If

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I if I were looking to open a business, if

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I'm a wealthy entrepreneur looking to set up businesses someplace,

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why would I go into a location that has high crime.

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I would not because my patrons would be victimized, my

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employees would be victimized, I would lose money, and I

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would have to close. I would I would That's not

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a profitable business, so I would not go there. This

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is the reverse of actual compassion. You are putting these

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kids on a life long path towards misery. Lawmakers have

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to drastically revise this law. This raised the age law

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before it ruins an entire generation. Here's a great idea.

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and make memories that'll last a lifetime. Charlotte Observer, in

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a piece by Ryan Orley headlined years after Charlotte's Juvenile

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Jail closed, some hope for its return. And this is

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one of the things that people, I think outside of journalism,

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actually people inside journalism don't even understand this point. I

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think so much of good journalism requires a look back,

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requires you to know, as the reporter, to tell a

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story of something that's happening now, you have to understand

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how you got to where you are now. And that's

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the benefit of what we call institutional knowledge. Right, you're

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on the beat, You've been on the beat, that's been

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your beat for a very long time, and so you

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know the history of these policy changes or the personalities involved, right,

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the candidates and such. You have that historical record and knowledge,

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and so This is a I think a well timed piece.

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There's a jail that is basically empty. It was a

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juvenile detention facility in North mech and it was closed

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like three years ago by our sheriff, Gary not my

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fault McFadden. Now, this may surprise you to learn that

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the sheriff says the closure of the facility was not

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his fault, but he closed it. It was the only

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juvenile detention center in Mecklenburg County. Now some in the

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criminal justice system, according to the reports, still hope for

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its return. State public safety leaders and local advocates agree

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something important was lost when McFadden shut down the facility,

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once known as Jail North. Today, much of the building

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sits empty in North Charlotte, and local teenagers who are

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charged with crimes that are actually sent to a jail,

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they're sent to a state juvenile facility located in Caberras County.

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For years, according to the story, State Department of Public

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Safety Deputy Secretary William Lassiter has tried to persuade not

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my fault McFadden to do something with the building that

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once housed seventy two teenagers. While North Carolina is responsible

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for juvenile jails. Lassiter has argued that Charlotte saw benefits

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when the sheriff's office ran one. Listen to this quote.

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I tried to lease the facility from McFadden. This is

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the state Deputy Secretary for Public Safety, William Lassiter. I

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tried to lease it. I tried to buy it. I

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tried to offer incentives for them to do it. All

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those have been rejected. At this point, I feel like

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the ball is in their court, meaning the sheriff's office.

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The sheriff McFadden has his own plan though, to reopen

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the jail, and we have heard this. I mentioned this

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couple months ago when I came across this line in

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some interview that he gave, and I thought, well, that's

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just a stupid idea, and apparently the state agrees with me.

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They called it unfeasible, so it's not feasible. I called

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it stupid. In twenty twenty two, McFadden closed Jail North.

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Staff working at that facility were then moved to Uptown,

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where they worked with adults instead of teenagers. Short staffing

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numbers and other issues forced the sheriff's hand, he said

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at the time. The law says juvenile justice is a

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state responsibility, which it is like the creating these juvenile

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jails and stuff. The state operates a handful of them

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across the state. Jail North was always optional, even if

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it was beneficial. Okay, so far, totally agree with all

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of that. It's like the crime lab. Charlotte has its

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own crime lab. It built its own crime lab because

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the state crime Lab, when it was being run by

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then Attorney General Roy Cooper, was not able to keep

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up with the demand on its services from Charlotte. So

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Charlotte built its own crime lab so it could actually

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get the data analyzed and get it back to the

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investigators in a timely fashion. Housing adults and ensuring they

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are in a safe facility, however, is something that sheriffs

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are legally mandated to do. In an interview on Monday,

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McFadden repeatedly said he would like to reopen Jail North. Quote.

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Do I want to open the juvenile detention Center? Absolutely?

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One hundred percent. This is how he always talks. He

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always he always asks himself a question and then answers

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the question. You know, so why not open it on

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a small Oh, so, he says, but hiring here's why

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he can't reopen it. Hiring more than ninety people to

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work at the facility would be long involved work, even

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if the state helped pay for some of those employees.

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So it's just too hard to hire people. Why not

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open it on a smaller scale, he says. If you're

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going to open it up and it goes max on

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the first week, I believe he means maximum population, then

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what are you going to do Whether you entertain one

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person for mental health or fourteen, you still have to

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have a doctor for mental health. You cook fourteen chicken

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sandwiches versus one hundred chicken sandwiches, you know what, you

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still need You know what, you still need a cook.

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So he just can't staff it, is what he's saying.

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So why bother trying, why bother trying a phased in approach?

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This is absurd. This is why this is maladministration. This

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is something you should actually be removed from office for.

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If you can't figure out how to phase up and

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open a facility, then you should not be the top

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administrator of that facility. So how about the idea of

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leasing it to the state or selling it to the state.

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And you know what his answer is, Well, how are

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they going to staff it, that's not your problem. If

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they have offered to lease it and staff it. If

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they have all offered to buy it and staff it,

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that's not your problem anymore. Why wouldn't you, Why wouldn't

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you offload this to the state that you point out

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it's their responsibility to do this stuff, Well, then just

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sell them the building or lease it to them and

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let them worry about the staffing that you are incapable

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of doing. Lassiter, the deputy director who oversees juvenile justice,

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said he has tried to find a solution with McFadden

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for years, but he recently gave up. He said it's

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up to the sheriff's office to say what it needs.

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So what's McFadden's idea? The stupid idea, I shall tell

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you in a moment. All right, if you're listening to

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media landscape more transparent. So what is the stupid idea

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from Gary? Not my fault. McFadden Mecklimer County sheriff. So

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he's got the Jail North facility, but he's mothballed the

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thing basically for the last three years, saying he couldn't

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keep it staffed, and they relocated the employees to Central

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Jail to now guard adults. So now Mecklimber County has

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no juvenile jail facility, which means that the state can't

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house any of these juveniles in Mecklimber County. They got

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to send them up to Cabaris or to the other

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I think there's like two, three or four around the

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rest of the state, and they got to ship them

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off there. And the state has said, well, we'll lease

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the building from the sheriff, and the sheriff says no,

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and we'll buy the building from you. The sheriff says no.

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And the reason why, according to the sheriff, is because

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he doesn't think that the state will be able to

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staff it. But that's a state problem, that's not a

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Sheriff macfadden problem. So you blocking the lease or sale

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of this facility to the state like you are now responsible.

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I know it's not your brand to ever accept the

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responsibility or the fault for something, but this is on

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you now because you don't want the state to take

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over this facility to open it back up, which is

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kind of on the same brand as the you know,

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not going to cooperate with ice and uh, you know,

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just let people out of the jail and we can

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you know, we can reform everybody in the jail by

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giving them access to a recording studio so they can

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cut their their sick wraps and licks and such. But

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he does have an idea for that facility, the Jail

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North facility. He proposed this idea to the Observer in

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this interview, but he has proposed it before, and I

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have called this a very stupid idea. He says the

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state could shut down the juvenile detention center in Cabaris

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County and then move all of the Cabaris County staff

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to Mecklenburg and put them under his employment because he

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has created some such a fantastic work environment that everybody

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wants to work for sheriff, not my fault, McFadden, So

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they don't. They actually are leaving. They are fleeing his employee,

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and they are writing scathing letters to the public, to

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the sheriff, to their fellow colleagues about the dictatorial nature

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of McFadden's leadership style, calling it a toxic work environment,

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calling him a narcissist, a micromanager, abusive use, using racial

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slurs against his employees, his command staff, Like, nobody wants

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to work with this guy, So why would the state

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close the Cabaris County facility and move all of those

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employees under McFadden's employment overnight. He says, they could start

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reporting to him. What a megalomaniac. Here's the quote. I

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hate to say this, spoiler, he doesn't. I hate to

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say this, but it's kind of like the Jeffersons kind

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of moving on up. Oh my god, the raging narcissism

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of this man. The idea that you would consider that

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as an employee at Cabaris County's jail, that if I

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were now transferred to go work for Mecklimberg County, which,

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by the way, for those who are unaware, is a

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different entity than Cabaris County. So you now are no

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longer an employee in Cabaris County. Now you're an employee

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of Meclimberg County. Okay, but you would somehow transfer that

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employment or something. But he says, you'd be moving on

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up because we're better than Cabarras County, which is what

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I Obviously, you have such a hard time recruiting people

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to come work in Mecklenburg from Cabarras County, right, Nobody

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wants to come work in Mecklimburg County. He says, you

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move from this facility to this facility, and I'll give

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you what you want. I mean, if you want a

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toxic work environment and racial slurs and micromanagement, then yes,

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that's what he would be able to provide you. McFadden

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has floated this idea before, according to the spokesperson for

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the Department of Public Safety, Matt Debnan, he said it's

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not feasible though. First, he says, the employees working at

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Cabarras County's juvenile jail or state employees, meaning they applied

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specifically to work for North Carolina, and there is not

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a way to simply transfer them to a county job. Also,

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closing Cabaris County's facility would not actually alleviate the capacity

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issues that are facing the juvenile justice system. In fact,

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it would result in a net loss of juvenile detention beds.

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You see, Jail North has seventy two beds, Cabaris County

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has one hundred and fifty eight. So this is why

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McFadden's idea is stupid. Why would you close the facility

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that has one hundred and fifty eight beds and then

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transfer all those employees somehow or another to a new

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employer of Mecklenburg County and get like half the number

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of beds, less than half the number. How dumb it

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makes you wonder. It makes you wonder is there some

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other reason? Is there another reason why you refuse to

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lease or sell this property to the state so it

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can now open another juvenile justice facility? Is there something

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else going on? Is there another reason? Because this isn't

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a plan. What you have pitched here is a stupid plan.

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It's not going to work. It doesn't work, and it

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would be worse. Appending lawsuit in federal court alleges poor

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conditions at the Caberras County facility. The lawsuit mentions Jail

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North's closure because the kids who were going to Jail

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North now go to Caberras. The Department of Public Safety

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is not shy about those problems, saying the reality is

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right now in juvenile detention, we are overcrowded, we are

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short staffed. Yes, there are three facilities in Rockingham Perkamont's County.

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I always get that one wrong, and Richmond County. They

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have opened since Jail North closed. That's given the juvenile

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justice system some breathing room, according to the state, But

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facilities across the state are still at capacity and some

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teenagers are having to sleep in cots. Statewide, there are

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four hundred and twenty five miners in facilities and only

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four hundred and seven beds for them, So that's the delta.

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That's the gap, is about twenty beds. Jail North has

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seventy two. So you could even if you're half staffed,

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you could open some of those beds. You could open

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like a third of that space and alleviate the overcrowding.

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But he won't do it. McFadden won't do it, and

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I don't believe it has to do with his concern

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that the state can't staff it. All right, that'll do

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