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If you are on the Twitter machine, 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,039 you can follow me at Pete Calendar, but you should 11 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:38,119 also check out if you're into North Carolina politics and such, 12 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:43,399 the hashtag NCPOL and I have seen over the last 13 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:46,920 I don't know, probably a week or two on the 14 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:54,479 NCPOL twitter stream or feed cyberstalking well maybe examples, but 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,799 also people talking about it. And so Cassie Clark joins me. 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,679 Now she is Do I call you an influencer? Do 17 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:05,159 you adopt that moniker? Do you like that name? Or 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,760 just podcaster? The publisher of a website called Where the 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,640 dog Wood Blooms. Cassie, what is your preferred title besides 20 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:16,000 Queen of North Carolina? 21 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: I think influencer works. It's not my favorite because I'm 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,079 actually not selling anything, but it works. 23 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so fair enough, and you can read 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,400 her work at where thedogwood blooms dot com follow her 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,079 on Twitter as well. Her Twitter handle is it's not 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,120 where that, it's just dogwood blooms, right, that's right. Yeah, see, Okay, 27 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:39,560 totally prepared for this, yes, so all right, So, first off, 28 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:43,400 this is an issue, this cyber stalking issue that and 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,159 I gotta believe that, like your effort to talk to 30 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,680 state lawmakers about our current laws, I've got to believe 31 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:54,640 that there is something going on and we don't have 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,719 to go into details of it because usually that just 33 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:00,799 inspires more of this kind of activity. But there is 34 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,159 something going on that has inspired your focus on this 35 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:04,879 is this recent? 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean I kind of blew up in 37 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,080 the past year or so and gained thousands of followers 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,280 and out of nowhere, I discovered that there is a 39 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:20,400 CD under belly to social media. And in the past year, 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,360 I've been cyberstod on three separate occasions. One of those 41 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,719 has lasted I think we're going on a year right now. 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,960 And then I started hearing other people's stories and it's 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,919 scary I mean I know people who've been swatted. I 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,080 know people who have had private information shared. I know 45 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:42,919 people who have pizzas delivered to their house NonStop. I mean, 46 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,719 at some point, enough is enough? 47 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, all, it's all swatting. I've been arguing that swatting 48 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,240 needs to be codified as attempted homicide because that's the 49 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,840 point of the swatting. Now, the pizza deliveries, I would 50 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:58,479 be okay with taking a bunch of the pizzas. Do 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,840 you have to pay for them on delivery? No, I'm kidding, 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,520 but like that's these are the things. These are it's 53 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:07,560 trolls on Twitter, but then migrate to real life and 54 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,599 start doing this stuff in real life. That's the cyberstalking, 55 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:14,800 the cyber part of the cyber stalking. So what have you? So, 56 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,080 what is it that you are identifying as maybe gaps 57 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:20,840 in the existing laws? 58 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 59 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: So, right now, the current law is kind of useless. 60 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,960 I mean it's super vague, it's too narrow, and it 61 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:32,639 really has no teeth. And the courts have found it 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,319 so useless that they've started reverting to court decisions made 63 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,319 in recent cases, so they're using case law instead of 64 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:44,360 our actual law, and that's a problem. So what I 65 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,639 want is something that's actually useful. I mean, my biggest 66 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:50,960 priority is protecting freedom of speech, because there's no room 67 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:55,479 for compromise there. For me, I don't want to stifle 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,120 our First Amendment rights. I would really like a remedy 69 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:02,639 for people who are actually being harassed and harmed. And 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,719 there are people who have had their businesses attacked, there 71 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:11,199 are people who've had field court documents released about their children. 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,159 And violence is being encouraged and celebrated. And if the 73 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,040 law can't handle that on their own, and we the 74 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,720 people can't take it into our own hands, then what 75 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:21,920 are we supposed to do? 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,319 Speaker 1: So have you reached out to lawmakers or are you 77 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:30,480 talking to state lawmakers? Because the deadline for getting bills 78 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:34,680 through the legislature, that crossover deadline, has passed, So it 79 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,680 makes it a little bit more difficult if something isn't 80 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,519 already in the works, right. 81 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 2: So I reached out to my cousin, Alan Mashburn, and 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,279 I explained to him the situation, and he is incredibly 83 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:49,240 awesome and I just love him. And he explained all 84 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,959 that to me, and he told me that there is 85 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,480 actually a rep in North Carolina right now who had 86 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,519 been talking about our problem with cyberstalking, and so I 87 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,839 decided to go up there and introduced myself and I 88 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,240 took a group of people with me, and we explained 89 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:08,319 our situations and we told him the problems that we're 90 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:10,839 seeing with the law because some of us have actually 91 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:15,120 tried to press charges for this and failed. And everyone 92 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:20,040 that we spoke to was extremely responsive, like they were 93 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:22,920 really interested in doing something about this. And I mean, 94 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:25,759 I got bipartisan support on this when I went up. 95 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: So are there templates or model legislation that you would 96 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:32,839 look at and say, this is this is working well, 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,959 this is what we could do? Or are the legislative 98 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:38,600 staffer is going to have to basically start from zero. 99 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,399 Speaker 2: So I think there's two excellent options right now. There's 100 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,720 the Florida law, which is pretty strong and it's got teeth, 101 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,560 and then there's our federal law. And so I encourage 102 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:53,079 We actually brought with us paperwork like showing them what 103 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:55,600 a new law could potentially look like. And of course 104 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:57,519 I know through the course of them going back and 105 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,560 forth over that that would change. But something needs to 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,639 be done. I mean, people can't just you know, for me, 107 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:08,240 I have children at home. I don't want to be flatted, 108 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,519 you know. I don't want someone out here trying to 109 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,519 destroy my business and you know, ruin my life just 110 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,240 because you know of something really stupid on social media. 111 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,240 Maybe I don't agree with you over something tiny, and 112 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,480 you want to destroy my life. To me, that's insane. 113 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:26,800 And so I think that there's an interest there, and 114 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:29,199 I'm hoping that when they come back, we're going to 115 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,800 continue these discussions and that they're going to move forward 116 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:32,680 to do something. 117 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,959 Speaker 1: All right, so you've got some interest, you have some 118 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:40,439 model legislation, some templates to give them, which, by the way, 119 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,399 that's very helpful. If you can hand somebody, you know, 120 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:45,959 model legislation and they don't have to do much work, 121 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,800 that's helpful. Because I'm not calling them all lazy. I'm 122 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,480 just saying it's just it's helpful. I'll just leave it there. 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,680 And so that's good. That's a good first step. So 124 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,160 what are some of the when you say, like, the 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,959 federal law has teeth in it, what are the teeth like, 126 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,759 what are some examples of the teeth that would make 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,079 enforcement harsher? 128 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: So with and I can't remember if this is the 129 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,120 Florida law or the federal law, but they have a 130 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,120 the minute someone presses charges, there's a no contact order issued. 131 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:23,600 North Carolina doesn't do that, So the people that you 132 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,680 take to court can continue to harass you and cyber 133 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:29,560 stalk you all the way up until court and then 134 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:32,519 chances are they're going to get away with it, and 135 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,680 then they've got even more of your information. And so 136 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,399 that right there is a problem that they need to 137 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,519 nip in the butt. I would love to see them 138 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,040 issue some sort of no contact once somebody has taken 139 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:48,839 out charges against this, right and then Florida also, you're 140 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:51,560 I want to say that in North Carolina right now 141 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:56,519 it's a misdemeanor, whereas in Florida it can progress into 142 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,720 a felony. If this person continues to stalk in her 143 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:04,600 app people, then the charges will go up. And in 144 00:08:04,639 --> 00:08:07,079 North Carolina we also don't have that. So, I mean, 145 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,519 there are definitely things that they could be doing to 146 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,160 protect people who are kind of in the spotlight that 147 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:14,399 we're completely missing out on right now. 148 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: So do you know why there isn't you mentioned the 149 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,920 no contact order? Why is that different than just like 150 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:26,040 a regular stalking, like in person stalking. Can't you get 151 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:31,199 a no contact restraining order versus what's the difference in 152 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,039 the cyber stalking or why do they not do that? 153 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,799 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't know. I'm actually scheduled 154 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,080 to have a zoom meeting with a domestic violence lobbyist 155 00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:46,120 right after we finish here, and I'm hoping that she'll 156 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,240 be able to give me some insight on that, because, 157 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,559 as far as I know, obtaining a no contact order 158 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,399 is really hard in the state of North Carolina for 159 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,200 any kind of stalking as far as I know. 160 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Interesting because yeah, I know, like people can go down 161 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:07,480 to get restraining orders from the magistrates and you know, like, oh, 162 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:09,320 I want to swear I want to swear out you know, 163 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,440 a tro or something on them or whatever, and like 164 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,000 and then people like slap each other with these things. 165 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:16,600 I was told that by a magistrate years ago, so 166 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,320 maybe that has changed or something. But like he like, 167 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,320 they can do that sort of stuff. I just wonder 168 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,679 if there's a different bar that you have to clear 169 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:26,200 for the cyber stuff. It doesn't seem like you should 170 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,279 you shouldn't have to. 171 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:31,879 Speaker 2: Well, our cyber stalking law falls under the stalking law, 172 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,559 so the fact that it's so hard to get these 173 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 orders is kind of ridiculous. Actually, have some stats for 174 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:41,159 you if you want to hear. Yeah, so seven point 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,440 five million Americans experienced cyberstalking every year and here in 176 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,240 the state of North Carolina from two thousand to twenty 177 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,120 and eleven. Less than seventeen percent of cyberstalking cases in 178 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,720 North Carolina resulted in a conviction. Eighty percent of stalking 179 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:03,120 victims are tracked. And that's stalking victims period, not just 180 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,240 cyber stalking, just people who are stocked even in person. 181 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:10,360 They're eighty percent of them are also stalked online. More 182 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:14,279 than fifty percent of stalking victims are female. Less than 183 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,279 thirty percent of stalking victims report these crimes to the police. 184 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:23,200 As many as seventy percent of cyberstalking victims experienced substantial 185 00:10:23,399 --> 00:10:28,159 emotional distress. So, I mean, this is a growing problem 186 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,000 in our state and they know it. I mean we've 187 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:32,320 seen it with Matt van swall right, I mean he 188 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,679 was he was cyberstalked. He had the whole pizza delivery 189 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,600 thing going on. And before that, there was a man 190 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,919 in Cherokee County who was cyber swatted and shot right. 191 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Look, as somebody who's been in this arena 192 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,960 for a long time, I have had this sort of 193 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,159 stuff happened to me repeatedly over the years. I've never 194 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,960 had the swatting, I've never gotten the pizzas, but I 195 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,519 have had you know, I had a stalker show up 196 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:00,240 at my house. That person is no longer a live 197 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,679 but that has happened, so and it definitely is unsettling 198 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:10,639 and disturbing, and there is virtually no recourse for the 199 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,519 victims in it. So I totally get it. And so 200 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,639 if there's anything we can do to help, let us know. 201 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:19,279 Good luck on your meeting, and if you've got some 202 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,720 progress or some assistants needed to be sure and reach out. 203 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,039 Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, Pete. 204 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,279 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, that's Cassie Clark. She is the writer over 205 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,519 at the publisher of where thedogwood blooms dot com. You 206 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:35,840 can follow her at dogwood Blooms on Twitter as well. 207 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,799 Thanks so much, Cassie, I appreciate it all. 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You said a 227 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:45,919 stalker showed up at your house and he is no 228 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,159 longer alive, but you did not say how you killed him. 229 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:58,600 Please share and all right? So, the North Carolina General 230 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:04,559 Assembly is looking at a couple different bills regarding social 231 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,039 media and schools. North Carolina schools would be required to 232 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,240 teach students about social media risks under a bill that 233 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,919 is advancing in the state legislature. This from wrl's education 234 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:25,360 reporter Emily Walkinhorst. That's her name. Lawmakers are also trying 235 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,000 to use the measure to enact cell phone restrictions in classrooms. 236 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,639 House Bill nine p fifty nine passed a Senate committee yesterday, 237 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,720 and it would require schools to offer social media literacy lessons. 238 00:13:40,279 --> 00:13:44,000 They would educate students on social media's effects on health, 239 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,960 including social, emotional, and physical effects. Students would learn about 240 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,639 the consequences of social media use once in elementary school, 241 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:58,000 once in middle school, and twice in high school. So, like, 242 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,200 I guess I envisioned this as something like sex ed 243 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:07,080 right where they scare you with the pictures of all 244 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,919 the STDs and stuff. I think that would be pretty compelling, 245 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,039 you know, like show like this is what happened, you know, 246 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,039 stories from the media, This is what happens when the 247 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,320 kids were you know, giving out information, and like this 248 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:25,679 is how people lure you into sending you know, compromising 249 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,159 photos and getting information from you and all of that. 250 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,399 Schools would be required to teach them about social media addiction, misinforma, 251 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:42,519 misinformation manipulation, cyber bullying, personal security, and the permanency of 252 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:47,360 the Internet, among many other things. It's one of several measures. 253 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,279 Earlier this month, the House passed a bill that would 254 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,519 ban social media accounts for kids under the age of fourteen, 255 00:14:53,799 --> 00:14:57,879 and it would require parental permission for fourteen and fifteen 256 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,480 year olds to use social media. Right now, the federal 257 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,960 law requires a minimum age of thirteen to create an account, 258 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:10,279 and that's why I end up with these squeakers in 259 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,399 my Call of Duty games just anyway, but children can 260 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,399 easily get around the bands. To address that, House Bill 261 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,080 three to zero one would allow the state to find 262 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:25,720 social media companies fifty thousand dollars each time a younger 263 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:30,039 team sets up an account. Families of teens who managed 264 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,360 to get around the rules would also be allowed to 265 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,799 sue the companies for up to ten thousand dollars. I 266 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,720 am envisioning an army of twelve and thirteen year olds, 267 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,840 or twelve year olds. I guess an army of twelve 268 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:55,000 year olds hired by a competitor gaming company to go 269 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:00,320 and get on their competitors platform and then all the 270 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:05,960 charges and bankrupt your competitor. I mean, there's still some 271 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:07,679 kinks to work out in the plan. And you know, 272 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,559 the biggest problem with this scenario is, like I don't 273 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:12,759 have a tech company or anything, but if I did, 274 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,320 I'm just saying I might devote some time and energy 275 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,519 to research this as a as a as a practice, 276 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:22,559 you know, just to see if it's doable. Not that 277 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:24,399 I would do it. I mean I probably wouldn't even 278 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,320 do it, but I would just like, you know, explore 279 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,639 the options. You just want to know could I do it? 280 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:31,279 Not that I would, but could I do it? The 281 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,639 Senate in the House have passed bills that would restrict 282 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:36,559 cell phone use in schools, but they have not negotiated 283 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,960 a compromise on which bill to actually enact. So, as 284 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,600 I mentioned with Cassie Clark, you've got the crossover deadline 285 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,600 that has passed House and Senate versions of bills. They 286 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,879 cross over to the other chambers, they get worked on, 287 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,919 and if there are changes, then they you know, hammer 288 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,480 out the changes in the in a conference committee. Now, 289 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:58,960 Democrat Governor Josh Stein has called for cell phone restrictions 290 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,799 in school during his State of the State address last month, 291 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,559 he launched a new council to focus on students safety 292 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:08,359 and well being in One of its priorities is examining 293 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,319 cell phone use in classrooms. It is long pastime. The 294 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,720 evidence is in. This stuff is rot for kids' brains. 295 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,079 Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to 296 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,599 a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 297 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,880 Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of 298 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,279 Asheville is your connection. 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So how did that happen? Well, 325 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,799 is it possible the grand jury returned its indictment yesterday afternoon? 326 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:13,680 Did they sit on that because Councilwoman Tijuana Brown had 327 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:20,039 a town hall last night, and they do this, the 328 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,039 city council members do town halls throughout their districts, particularly 329 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:27,559 in election years, which this is so. City Councilwoman Tijuana 330 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:32,319 Brown indicted. According to federal prosecutors, she threw herself a 331 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,200 fifteen thousand dollars birthday party with a throne and a 332 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:41,119 horse drawn carriage using COVID pandemic relief funds that were 333 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,920 wired to her supposedly nonprofit. She and one of her 334 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,160 daughters are also accused of using relief money to purchase 335 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:56,599 items from luxury brand Louis Vuitton Brown. This is according 336 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:00,039 to the story at the Charlotte Observer, Brown is the 337 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:07,200 first formerly incarcerated person. That is the new term, I 338 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,160 guess that we are using for felons, convicted felons, right. 339 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:16,920 She served four years for fraud, as a matter of fact, Yeah, 340 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,480 for fraud. And that was so long ago though, that 341 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:24,480 was like in the nineties or something. And then she 342 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:30,200 got out and she got elected ran on the platform 343 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,559 of I'm a formerly incarcerated person or a FIP. I 344 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:38,839 guess an FIP, and she and her daughters, two adult daughters. 345 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,960 Now all three of them faced federal charges of using 346 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:47,880 fake never filed IRS forms and lying on loan applications 347 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:54,720 for the relief funds. Mark Garrison, news director here at WBT, 348 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,960 sent me some audio from the press conference that she held, 349 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,559 and I have not heard this, so let's take a listen. 350 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,200 It should be interesting. 351 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 4: Are seeing this in the news. They're well aware of 352 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,720 your history. How can they have confidence in your ability 353 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:13,599 to continue to serve and your desire to continue to 354 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,440 serve in the future. 355 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,079 Speaker 5: NOH platform is based off second chances. It's based off 356 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,640 transparency and truth. I've did several interviews with you. I 357 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:24,599 always come forward, I'm always account but there's nothing to hide. 358 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,519 Speaker 1: Okay, hang on a second. You're all about second chances, Okay, 359 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,519 I would submit you got one of those when they 360 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:34,640 elected you, So this like that was the second chance. 361 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,160 So you check the box, got your second chance, good 362 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,960 to go. But you got elected I guess after this 363 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:47,559 alleged criminal activity, So I don't think you get another 364 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,400 second chance at the fraud. Although I guess. I guess 365 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,759 you had a second chance with the fraud, but you 366 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:58,920 allegedly opted to do it again, So I don't know 367 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,720 if that's actually a selling point here, because this would 368 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,440 be a third chance. So maybe just update your campaign flyers. 369 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:08,160 You're all about third chances. Maybe that's it. Okay. So 370 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:10,720 she's like, I've always been transparent, I'm always open all 371 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:10,880 of this. 372 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:15,039 Speaker 5: My residents know who I am. They know my history. 373 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:17,880 They know who I am, they know my history. My 374 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,400 history is not a secret. I lived my life on 375 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,839 my history. They are women that I meet at the door, 376 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:24,839 that come home with just a bag in the hand, 377 00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:25,680 and they live in my house. 378 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: The fans sent them there. Did they tell you that 379 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,920 I housed their women? They live with me. 380 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: They're in one of my homes right now. This is okay, 381 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,839 But that that doesn't that doesn't allow you to file 382 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,839 fraudulent paperwork to get COVID pandemic money your nonprofit. And 383 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:49,200 then here's like part of the problem is that the 384 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,880 paperwork that was submitted claimed a certain amount of revenue, 385 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,559 claimed a certain amount of employees, and then she apparently 386 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,079 filed some paperwork or daughter filed exactly the same paperwork. 387 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,960 They use some tax documents that the IRS had never seen. 388 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,000 They were not on file at the IRS. So I 389 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:10,119 don't know where that came from, so stuff like that, 390 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,519 Like that that's a separate thing. Then whatever kind of 391 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:18,680 partnership or contract you've got to house women that are 392 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,319 just released from incarceration. Okay, So like that's a separate thing. 393 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,319 Speaker 5: The work that I do, it's who I am. 394 00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 6: You call the attack political, what do you think the 395 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,559 motivation is? If it's political? 396 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:33,519 Speaker 2: Agreeable? 397 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,079 Speaker 3: I paid the money back. No one had to tell 398 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:37,880 me to pay it back. 399 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,279 Speaker 5: If we're seeking justice and I paid back the twenty 400 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,000 and thirty three dollars that I'm accountable for, then why 401 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,559 are we here? 402 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: Well, I think because they the Feds say that you're 403 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,000 accountable for more than just the twenty thousand. They've got 404 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,640 a number that's like one hundred thousand more than that. 405 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,599 That's what they say. Also, if you file the paperwork, 406 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,039 you do so under penalty of perjury, right Like that's 407 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,279 you swear in a test that everything you've provided is 408 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:16,200 the truth. And if you if you are lying in 409 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:20,039 order to commit a fraud, then actually paying the money 410 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:24,200 back that that does not alleviate the problem, because the 411 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,640 problem was you broke a law if you filed false 412 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,759 paperwork in order to get all of this money. But 413 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,039 you know, she's saying, she's answering the questions. Mike, Okay, 414 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,799 why are we here? 415 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 3: So you got to put it if it's in a 416 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,720 matter of justice. 417 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,319 Speaker 5: And we're seeking justice and I paid it back, again, 418 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,000 why are we here? 419 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: I just answered that. 420 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: Can you? 421 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 4: You mentioned earlier you said when you were kind of 422 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,960 first made aware of the questions about the relief money. 423 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: Can you and when you paid it back? 424 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:01,279 Speaker 4: Can you walk this through a little bit of a timeline, 425 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,880 like when you first heard about the concerns and when 426 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,480 you paid it back. 427 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,599 Speaker 5: I had to say I was aware of any questions. 428 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,480 I just paid it back. 429 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,319 Speaker 1: Why would you have paid it back if it was 430 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,720 a forgivable loan through the pandemic stuff like you right, 431 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,880 the PPP loans? Right? Did you have to pay it back? 432 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,519 Because my understanding was that they've those were all forgiven. 433 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,400 So at some point did somebody say, hey, like you 434 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:29,720 filed this fake paperwork, you got to pay it back. 435 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,920 I'm not following what's going on here. 436 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 5: Back, it was done BAT third party. The application was 437 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,319 submitted a BAT third party. So what I accept responsibility 438 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,880 for is maybe not scrutinized the application the way that 439 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,480 should happen. 440 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:42,079 Speaker 6: This is going to be a trial, so we're not 441 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:42,599 going to but. 442 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,799 Speaker 3: We're it's definitely going to be a trial. 443 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: But I do want to say this, Hang on, did 444 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,359 she just throw her kids under the bus? So it 445 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,480 was filled out by a third party? Well, who's the 446 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:59,160 third party? So you're saying you did not fill out 447 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,559 the paperwork, but you signed it and then maybe you 448 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,160 didn't read it closely enough and okay, so who filled 449 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,200 it out? That would be my question if I was 450 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,759 at the press conference. All right, if you're listening to 451 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,279 this show, you know I try to keep up with 452 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:14,440 all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, 453 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,119 and you've probably heard me say get your news from 454 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,799 multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, 455 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,400 which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 456 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:28,160 It's an app and it's a website and it combines 457 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,279 news from around the world in one place so you 458 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,680 can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it 459 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,279 out at check dot ground, dot news slash Pete. I 460 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,200 put the link in the podcast description too. 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Email from John who says, what I found 472 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:22,000 very telling is that she said she repaid the loan 473 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,680 as soon as she realized there was scrutiny over the application. 474 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,799 That sounds like she realized she was going to get 475 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:35,000 caught and was trying to get ahead of it. That's interesting. Uh, 476 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,599 who was on the phone there? Okay, well, if the 477 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,519 caller dropped off, so was going to go to the 478 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,519 phone there. But Tony says, what are the odds that 479 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,559 the idiot residents and voters in Charlotte will re elect her? 480 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,319 I'm checking fan duel now, Well, I mean that's that's 481 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,039 a good bet. I would say. All right, so there's 482 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,519 about a minute here left of this clip that Mark Garrison, 483 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:02,359 w BET news director sent me from the press conference, 484 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,519 which I appreciate. It was a longer press conference, but 485 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,759 I have not had time during my show to listen 486 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:13,720 to it all, and so I will pasaki back on 487 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,880 that and listen to the full presser. But here's the 488 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,920 last bit of this clip. 489 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,519 Speaker 5: When a person has something to hide, they don't send 490 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,519 out a press release, they don't show up and answer questions. 491 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 3: And so I've done this my entire life. 492 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,799 Speaker 5: I travel the world, have a national footpoot fighting for 493 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,039 women that are needed, second chances, third chances, four chances, 494 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:33,799 and fifth chances. 495 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,519 Speaker 3: What I'm saying to you is, when. 496 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,319 Speaker 5: I found out there may have been any discrepancy in 497 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,279 the application that will submit about third party, I paid 498 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,519 it back. That's not in the paperwork that you have, 499 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,400 but I paid it back. 500 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: Because the paying back doesn't it doesn't alleviate the crime. 501 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,799 You know, if you steal somebody's car, you drive it 502 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,160 around and then the police they call the police and 503 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,519 they're like, hey, my car is missing. And then you 504 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,960 return the car before you get caught, and the cops 505 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,319 are like, oh, you had their car, and you're like yeah, yeah, 506 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:13,279 but see I brought it back like, yeah, but you 507 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,359 still committed the crime of taking the car in the 508 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:19,359 first place. See, so bringing it back doesn't It doesn't 509 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:26,759 wash away the the penalties for the crime itself. And 510 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,359 considering like the work that she does, I would think 511 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,039 she would know this, and it was submitted. 512 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,359 Speaker 4: Defense say, the money was supposed to be used for payroll? 513 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,119 Did you use that money for payroll? 514 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,599 Speaker 6: Again, this is going to be for trial, so I 515 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,039 ask her not to answer these questions. 516 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 4: The FED say, you spent thirty five hundred on a 517 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,240 venue for your birthday party, five thousand and catering, twenty 518 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,680 three hundred for photography, a rented throne, and a horse 519 00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:55,559 drawn carriage? 520 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 6: What was that party? The same answer on that one. 521 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,640 This is not the thid for us to try the case. 522 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,519 Speaker 1: So you call a news conference to claim you're innocent, 523 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,079 and then what because she's all right, let me reac 524 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:13,720 this hang on second, the. 525 00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: Way that I should happen. 526 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,559 Speaker 6: This is going to be a trial, So we're not gonna. 527 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,839 Speaker 3: But it's definitely going to be a trial. 528 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,319 Speaker 5: But I do want to say this, when a person 529 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,119 has something to hide, they don't send out a pressure release, 530 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:32,119 they don't show up and answer questions. 531 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,119 Speaker 1: But then you. 532 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 4: Spent thirty five hundred on a venue for your birthday 533 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,279 party five thousand and catering twenty three hundred for photography. 534 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,880 I'll rent it throne and a horse drawn carriage. What 535 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,720 was that party? 536 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,759 Speaker 6: Same answer on that one. This is not the thid 537 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,200 for us to try the case. 538 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: Okay, let me see if I have this standard correct. 539 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,799 If you're innocent of something, then you show up, you 540 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,559 put out a press release, and you show up at 541 00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,000 a press conference and you answer questions. That's what you 542 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:10,079 do if you are innocent. And then the application of 543 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:15,720 that standard, as we just heard, your lawyer said, we're 544 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,599 not answering that question. So let me go back to 545 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:26,200 the standard. Innocent people answer the questions. Therefore it'll come 546 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,799 to me. Yeah, it'll come to me. I'm sure. Yeah, 547 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:34,799 it'll make it make sense somehow. Brown and her daughters 548 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,720 Charlotte Observer reports her daughters thirty year old to Gemma 549 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:45,319 or to Jima to Gemma Brown thirty and Antoinette Rouse 550 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,000 thirty three, could face a maximum of twenty years in 551 00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:54,359 prison for each of the two charges that they face, 552 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,960 a wire fraud conspiracy and wire fraud used to fall 553 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,200 mosely obtained pandemic relief loans. Prosecutors say that the trio 554 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,799 filed fifteen applications for loans from the Small Business Administration 555 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:16,839 from April twenty twenty through September twenty twenty one. Prosecutors 556 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,559 allege they quote lied about gross income and number of 557 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,880 employees to get about one hundred and twenty five thousand 558 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,480 dollars through the federal government's Economic Injury Disaster Loan Program 559 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:34,039 and the Paycheck Protection Program. Court documents show that Tijuana 560 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,119 Brown's two disaster loan applications were rejected, but she did 561 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,759 receive about twenty thousand from the PPP, so I guess 562 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,480 that's the money she returned. All right, that'll do it 563 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,160 for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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