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In 62 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:40.280 Pretty Little Killers, journalist Dalen Berry and investigator Jeffrey Fuller 63 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:44.759 expand upon their New York Times bestselling ebook, The Savage 64 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:48.319 Murder of Skuyler Nice to give you even more information 65 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.759 behind one of the most terrific and shocking murders of 66 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:56.000 our time, including over one hundred pages of new material. 67 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:00.360 Pretty Little Killers shares the latest theories and na answers 68 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:05.439 the questions that have left many people baffled. After killer 69 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.560 Sheila Eddie pled guilty to first degree murder and was 70 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.360 sentenced to life in prison and Rachel's Chauff was sentenced 71 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:17.519 to thirty years for second degree murder. Family friends, investigators, 72 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.839 and other key sources revealed the facts you would have 73 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:26.240 learned if the case had gone to trial, including specific 74 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:30.920 details drawn from Rachel's confession. Pretty Little Killers looks at 75 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.040 the crime through the eyes of the victim and killers, 76 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.879 providing intimate testimony from the pages of Rachel's personal journal, 77 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:45.160 Skylar's diary and school papers, and court records. Barryan Fuller 78 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:50.040 examine all this, including previously unreported details about Rachel and 79 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:54.480 Sheila's rumored lesbian relationship, and explain why more than one 80 00:04:54.519 --> 00:05:00.800 investigator believed Skyler's murder was a thrill kill. Most important, 81 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.439 Pretty Little Killers provides a satisfying answer to Skyler's final question, 82 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:11.240 Why Little Killers is the book that we're featuring this evening, 83 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.560 The truth behind the savage murder of Skyler Nice with 84 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:19.879 my special guest journalist and author Dayleen Berry, and once 85 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:25.519 again audience, I apologize I had trying to walk Daileen 86 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.319 Berry through the process of connecting through Skype. I thought 87 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.040 we had addressed the problem in the last few minutes, 88 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:37.800 and then apparently not again a few minutes to have 89 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.560 her possibly and again it's my fault for this, and 90 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.920 I apologize, and if I could, I'm going to have 91 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:50.920 to contact blog Talk Radio and find out how to 92 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:54.560 delete this episode so that people don't have to suffer 93 00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:01.600 through this insufferable excuses for not having everything together that 94 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.439 I need to have together to have this show and 95 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:08.000 have these fine guests come on via Skype or via 96 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.959 any method that they'd like. So we'll just give it 97 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:16.720 a few minutes. This is Daileen Berry pretty little killers, 98 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:23.680 juvenile killers, so very disturbing to most people, a phenomena 99 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:28.680 that's growing, not rather than dissipating in America. See more 100 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:35.199 and more of this as kids mature, and also startling 101 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:40.839 evidence thanks to social media and social media being a 102 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:45.680 real participant, really and intimately involved in these crimes and 103 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:52.120 later providing crucial evidence at trial, incriminating evidence. As most 104 00:06:52.120 --> 00:07:00.560 people are their lives are inextrictly, inextricably involved with social media, tweeting, Facebook, etc. Connecting, 105 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:09.000 so I apologize, I Daileen probably having some real problems here, 106 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.680 know what to do? Really, we just suffer through a 107 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.839 couple more minutes, and then I will definitely reschedule this 108 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:22.199 episode if she is not so angry about not being 109 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.519 frustrated and spending this much time just to get on 110 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:30.160 this show, spending her valuable time. She's had some beyond 111 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.759 bad luck in the last few weeks, so she's been very, 112 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:37.079 very gracious, and I appreciate her taking the time, her 113 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.000 valuable busy time to come on and talk about this 114 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:46.839 incredible crime and her wonderful book, Pretty Little Killers, The 115 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.879 Truth behind the savage murder of Carlernice. And there's quite 116 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:51.959 a few things to discuss in this book as well. 117 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.720 Being in Canada very very surprising when I see the 118 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:00.759 differences in States. Here we go, Daileen, very welcome to 119 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:05.120 the program. Dailien Barrie, Hi, thank you very much the audience. 120 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:07.240 How do you only have to suffer for you a 121 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:12.120 few minutes of my seems routine excuses for guests not 122 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:17.800 coming on, So I apologize. We've introduced the the your book, 123 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:25.000 and so let me first ask the question that's one 124 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.279 of my routine questions without giving anything away? How did 125 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:32.639 you come to want to write this book or how 126 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.000 did you come to be the person that wrote Pretty 127 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.399 Little Killers? 128 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:41.399 Well, it happened in the town where I live, and 129 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:46.240 another writer and I got together and decided it was 130 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.799 just a fascinating case. It wasn't your run of the 131 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:54.440 mill teenage runaway or teenage girl gets picked up by 132 00:08:54.480 --> 00:09:01.679 an internet predator case now giving away. 133 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.200 No, not at all, not at all. Now, when did 134 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:10.320 you at what point did you know about this story? Again, 135 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:14.519 you saved in your town, So tell us exactly at 136 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.120 the point that you became aware of this story and 137 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.399 then how long after before you officially decided or when 138 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.440 was it you officially decided I'm going to write about this. 139 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:31.559 I became aware of it almost immediately when they started 140 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:36.120 announcing that Skylo Nice was missing. Like most people in 141 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:40.159 the community, Morgantown is a small area and so people 142 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:44.159 generally look out for each other, and that's what we did. 143 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.039 But it wasn't until a year later, when it became 144 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.240 a parent that there was a lot more to the 145 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:53.960 case than just a runaway, that I got involved in 146 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.240 it and my co author got involved in it. 147 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.399 Now, scot Kyler Nice was born in nineteen ninety six. 148 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:05.919 So tell us about Skylar Nice and her parents, and 149 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.759 tell us about who she was, where was she from, 150 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.120 and tell us a little bit more about Morgantown in 151 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:16.840 where in relation to the state capitol. Will say where 152 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:18.879 is this? Tell us geographically where this is. Tell us 153 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:19.799 a little bit more about that. 154 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:26.440 Morgantown is in north central West Virginia, which is located 155 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.279 about ninety minutes south of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and it is 156 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.639 about two and a half hours north of Charleston, which 157 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:38.960 is the state capitol, where almost almost in the center 158 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.679 of the state, just a little bit north of it. 159 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.799 And Skylar and her parents came from a lower socio 160 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:51.720 economic level. You might say. They had lived in the 161 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.120 Cheat Lake area for a while, which is one of 162 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:59.440 the outskirts of Morgantown, and then they moved across to 163 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.559 our city, which is closer to Morgantown. It's kind of 164 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.399 like a suburb, but it's closer than she like. It's 165 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.200 only about five to ten minutes from downtown Morgantown. Her 166 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:15.519 father works at Walmart and her mother works at Ruby 167 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:21.399 Memorial Hospital. Skyler was an honor student who pretty much 168 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.919 bounced and bopped along everywhere she went. She always had 169 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:27.120 a smile on her face from what her peers said 170 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:31.200 and her family, and she was well liked by just 171 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.159 about everybody. And she was an honor student who wanted 172 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.600 to go to college to become a defense attorney. 173 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.600 Was the family religious at all? Or and was Schuyler 174 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:48.200 religious at all? 175 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:51.960 It's interesting the family her parents were not. They did 176 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.600 not go to church and they don't profess to be religious. However, 177 00:11:55.720 --> 00:12:00.480 her aunt Carol was very religious and took Skyler to 178 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:04.360 church with her. What we learned during the interview with 179 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:10.759 Carol was she would share Bible passages or Bible stories 180 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.799 with Skylar as she was growing up. And so I 181 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.960 think it's because of Carol's influence that Skyler had a 182 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:17.799 religious band. 183 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.000 Now, let's introduce her friend, Sheila and tell us who 184 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:31.399 Sheila is, and for our audience, they meet when Skyler 185 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.600 is seven years old, in two thousand and three, in 186 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.919 the second grade, and they meet at a little community 187 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.559 and youth center. So tell us who Sheila is and 188 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:44.799 a little bit about her life, and tell us a 189 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:45.720 little bit about Shila. 190 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:51.879 Sheila Eddie came from an outlying area about thirty minutes 191 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:57.679 away from Morgantown in a little town called Blacksville, and 192 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:04.200 Blacksville is very rural. She was the child of parents 193 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:08.759 the divorced pretty early on, Greg and Tara Eddie. And 194 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.799 one of the very big events in her life was 195 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.679 her father's accident. He was in a motor vehicle accident 196 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:21.000 and sustain a traumatic brain injury which left him to 197 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:25.639 some extent disabled, and then later on he and her 198 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:29.559 mother divorced, So she grew up essentially in a in 199 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:33.519 a you know, single parent family. She had she saw 200 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.279 both parents, but she was living with her mom primarily. 201 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.840 And one of the major events after that that it 202 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:45.639 seemed to impact her life greatly was her mother's relationship 203 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:53.840 and subsequent engagement to Jim Clandennon, And that seemed to 204 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:57.200 be a very for for she Letley, seemed to be 205 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:02.080 a very negative thing that happened in her life because 206 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.519 her mother had a new love interest and it kind 207 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.440 of took her away from Sila to some extent. 208 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:17.799 Wasn't there some initial on Sheila's part sort of enjoyment 209 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:22.080 of the financial security and some of the financial perks 210 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.919 that the new husband could provide. 211 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:29.799 That's actually what family members and friends said about her 212 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.600 relationship with her stepfather and before he became her stepfather, 213 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.120 was that she didn't really care for the relationship, but 214 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:43.879 she liked the monetary and material benefits that could bring her. 215 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:50.679 She actually kind of went up the level of sort 216 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:57.120 of the ladder in terms of economics socioeconomics, with her 217 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.960 father or stepfather having more financial means, didn't. 218 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.320 She She did quite a bit. Actually. 219 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.279 Now they had a friendship starting in the second grade, 220 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:10.720 and so they would do things in school and then 221 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.039 outside of school as well. And what was the relationship 222 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.320 between the parents of Skyler and Sheila, How did they 223 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.120 what extent did their friendship extend to. 224 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:30.480 Well, it's interesting because when they met, it was it 225 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:37.519 was a summer program and they gradually over you know, 226 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:40.919 the few years after that, they became closer and closer. 227 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:47.000 And Sheila's mom, Tara, seemed to be the primary source 228 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:51.320 of transportation for Skyler, possibly because she had, you know, 229 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.159 it was easier for her to get you know, she 230 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.279 worked in town. She worked in Morgantown, so she could 231 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.639 pick Skyler up from town and take her out to 232 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.559 their place. And for a long time, Skyler would visit 233 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.440 them at their home in Blacksville weekends in the summertime. 234 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.440 She was out there a lot during the weekdays, according 235 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:09.720 to the neighbors in Blacksville. 236 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:17.639 Now, in terms of the characters, you know kids growing up, 237 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:24.159 some women, girls, boys, men mature at different rates in 238 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:28.279 terms of experience, will say sexual experimentation, or say the 239 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:33.159 classic things drug use or alcohol use. Who was more 240 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:38.399 will say inclined to be the rebel or rebellious Skyler 241 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.039 or Rachel, and tell us just a little bit more 242 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:49.879 about their characters in comparison, I would have. 243 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:54.080 To say that it would be Sheila. By far. Skylar 244 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:58.600 did not seem to be a rebel type. What was 245 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:02.279 very interesting about the dynamics she had with her parents 246 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.960 was she didn't really hide anything she did. She pretty 247 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.839 much was open about what she did. And I think 248 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.640 because of that, she had a closer bond with her parents, 249 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.319 and she knew what was right and wrong, and she 250 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:18.160 knew she was going to get in trouble she did 251 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.799 something wrong, but she also knew that her parents weren't 252 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.839 going to overreact like a lot of parents do. Sheila, 253 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.319 on the other hand, seemed to have a mother who 254 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:32.559 let her pretty much do whatever she wanted, and there 255 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:35.240 weren't very many rules. It didn't seem like it seemed 256 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.440 like they were more friends than mother and daughter. And again, 257 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.960 her father wasn't in the picture as much, and of course, 258 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:47.079 with a traumatic brain injury, it sounded like, based on 259 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.960 the information I could gather, that he didn't make many 260 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:57.799 decisions when it came to her behavior or her discipline. 261 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:02.680 Now, is Skylar and Sheila in any kind of serious 262 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.799 disciplinary problems at school or with the law in say, 263 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.559 all of their high school, we'll say, or up to 264 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:16.480 high school up to twenty ten? Was there any incidents whatsoever? 265 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.960 No, And that's the very interesting part of the story, 266 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:27.640 is that there had not been any noticeable behavior problems. 267 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.839 And what the teachers said and the students at Blacksville 268 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:35.440 who grew up with Sheila was that she seemed a 269 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:40.119 very happy kid who got along with people. She seemed 270 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:44.000 a little bit I think, probably trying to think of 271 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:47.400 the exact word, maybe sketchy down the road, but certainly 272 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.480 not sketchy. When she was in elementary and junior high 273 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:57.200 she was maybe not as upright as Skylar was, but 274 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.680 the kids liked her. She didn't have any behavioral problems. 275 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.720 And she didn't have any relationship problems per se when 276 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.759 it came to other students at Blacksville for the most part. 277 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:16.480 Now, Skyler and Rachel meet in at UHS. So tell 278 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.839 us about Scholar and Rachel, and tell us a little 279 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:21.400 bit about Rachel's show. 280 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:28.480 Well, up until rachel shows entry into the friendship and 281 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.440 when it became a trio, they were freshmen at that time. 282 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.640 But up until that point, from the age of seven 283 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:41.160 or eight until ninth grade, Sheila and Skylar had been 284 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.200 they had a friendship that was inseparable, It was unbreakable. 285 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.279 It was just the two of them for the most part. 286 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:49.720 Occasionally they had other girls that would enter that. But 287 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:55.599 when Rachel came along in ninth grade, she seemed to 288 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.440 live on the edge to some extent the way Sheila did, 289 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:02.799 and so it very fast that relationship between Sheila and 290 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:07.759 Rachel escalated, and then Skuyler found herself on the outside 291 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:10.400 looking in, which was pretty painful for her. 292 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:17.319 But this is a slow process and there are incidents 293 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:23.200 that happened, So what is the There was an incident 294 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:30.720 in twenty eleven at school where they Rachel and Sheila 295 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.720 are talking about disposing of a body discussing is tell 296 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.000 us about this. This is an incredible story and is 297 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:38.319 important later on as well. 298 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:43.160 It is, and just to kind of finish answering your 299 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:49.079 previous question. Whereas Sheila was more into boys, she was 300 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:54.160 pretty boy crazy, and she also liked to smoke marijuana. 301 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.200 She made that known through her tweets, Rachel was more 302 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:06.799 a very talented musician, actress, singer, and she had a 303 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.480 goal of going to Broadway. All three girls were very 304 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:13.960 academic in terms of succeeding in high school, but at 305 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.480 that time they were in Sheila and Rachel ended up 306 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:22.720 in the same biology class, and in the fall of 307 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:28.000 that year two thousand eleven, they were overheard by three 308 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.640 other students that we know of, asking how you dispose 309 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:37.119 of a body, and Sheila apparently used Schuyler's name. Rachel 310 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.400 tried to shush her. One of the one student that 311 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.480 actually responded made a comment thinking that it was just 312 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.960 a joke, saying, watch that show Breaking Bad. They have 313 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.839 stuff like that on there, and he really didn't think 314 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:55.960 that they meant it, And so because of that, nobody 315 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:57.519 really knew to report it. 316 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:07.240 Tell us of Rachel's home situation and what her relationship 317 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:09.759 was with her parents. 318 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.000 Rachel also came from a broken home. Her parents divorced 319 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:19.599 when she was pretty young, and she didn't have a 320 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.240 really great relationship with her mother. There seemed to be 321 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.240 a lot of fighting between the two of them. There 322 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:28.400 was definitely a lot of anger on Rachel's part towards 323 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:34.559 her mother. She made it clear to many of her 324 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:38.319 friends at University High School that she wanted to live 325 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:42.880 with her father and that she wasn't happy living with 326 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:48.920 her mother. So that generally seems to be the family 327 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.640 dynamics up until the time Skuyler was killed. 328 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:03.200 Now, tell us about the first real major incidents. There 329 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.079 is a fight that breaks out at the Hollywood Theater 330 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.559 that's in March. Now, tell us how they get to 331 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:15.119 this point and is there any indication before that? Again, tweeting, 332 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:17.279 and as I mentioned to the audience while we're trying 333 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:21.279 to connect, it was that tweeting, the Twitter world and 334 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.000 Facebook itself and social media plays an incredible role in 335 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.480 this case, in the crime itself and then in the 336 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.039 prosecution later and in your book in terms of revealing 337 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.400 all kinds of information. So tell us about the climate 338 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:41.519 of this very important connecting through social media before we 339 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:44.119 talk about the fistfight at the Hollywood Theater. 340 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.839 Well, social media did play a very large role in 341 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:53.480 the case because basically, if you look back at their tweets, 342 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.920 you could see a very disturbing pattern of internal fighting 343 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:01.200 that was going on between the three girls, but especially 344 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:06.400 between Skyler and Sheila. And you could also see signs 345 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:10.200 that there was kind of a volleying or jockeying for 346 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:15.519 position within the friendship, in large part from Skyler trying 347 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:22.240 to become closer to Rachel. At times she seemed very 348 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:25.799 angry and hateful towards Sheila, and then it was the 349 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:30.960 same way with Sheila toward Skyler and also Sheila, you know, 350 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:34.279 making a play for Rachel in terms of being one 351 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:38.200 upping Skylar for Rachel's friendship. So that was the dynamics 352 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.400 of the tweets, and they were pretty disturbing because they 353 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:43.880 when you look back at it as you can see 354 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.880 that there was clearly something going on that should have, 355 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.680 you know, caused people to be alert to there being 356 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:55.319 some serious problems between the three girls. 357 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.000 Now you talk about some of the people that were 358 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:02.880 there right from the very beginning. You introduce a character 359 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.359 named Daniel that's very important to the story. So tell 360 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.200 us about Daniel and his relationship with Skyler. 361 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:14.559 Daniel Hovatter was one of a few very close friends 362 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:18.759 of Skyler from when she was little. She had, i 363 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.240 want to say, three very close friends before she met Sheila, 364 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:29.319 Daniel Morgan and Hayden. And Daniel she became friends with him, 365 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.200 and her father would go over to Daniel's house and 366 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:38.480 do repairs, and they would play board games, and they 367 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:40.519 just were very close. In fact, he was the only 368 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:45.720 boy that Skyler had a close relationship with throughout school. 369 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.640 And Daniel became a pivotal figure in all this because 370 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:53.000 he knew the dynamics of the relationship between the three 371 00:25:53.039 --> 00:26:00.039 girls so well that he suspected some foul play early on, 372 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:05.680 and because he knew that wherever Skylar had gone, either 373 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:08.440 Sheila or Rachel or both of them had to know 374 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.920 where she was. And so he became a very important 375 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:20.480 player in the investigation because he was responsible for basically 376 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:26.519 harassing Rachel's chauff until she she told what she knew. 377 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.559 You talk about him understanding the dynamics between the three girls, 378 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.759 knowing them intimately and especially knowing Skyler, but knowing that, 379 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:41.279 like you say, the three the three girls. I alluded it, 380 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.079 alluded to it, or we alluded to it in the 381 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:47.279 synopsis of the book. What was their sexual preference? Was 382 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:53.599 there anything to this lesbian rumor? And what was the 383 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:58.359 again there they're young. What was their level of promiscuity 384 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:02.200 if that was even the case between those three what 385 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:02.920 was the difference? 386 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.000 Well, it was very, very different between the three girls. 387 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.359 First of all, there's no indication whatsoever that Skuyler had 388 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.799 even had a sexual experience in terms of, you know, 389 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:17.240 intercourse with a boy or any type of sexual activity 390 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:21.920 with a girl. And these kissing pictures between the girls 391 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.039 seemed to be the limit of what Skuylar's activity was. 392 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.960 But that wasn't the case with Sheila and Rachel. Sheila 393 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:34.920 was very promiscuous. She began it seems like she began 394 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:39.440 being promiscuous in the ninth grade. Right before the ninth grade, 395 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.920 right before she moved from Blacksville, she had a relationship 396 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.440 with a guy, Dylan Conaway, who you know, he mentioned 397 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:48.880 that in an interview he did, so that's the public knowledge. 398 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.079 And then after that she would have, you know, basically 399 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.839 hook up with guys one night stands if you will, 400 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.319 and she would go to school the next day and 401 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:02.160